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RoAkSoAxHeya guys, If an application has a module for pulseaudio, should we enable it to be built?00:31
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ajmitchI'd say yes, TheMuso could probably give a better answer :)00:35
RoAkSoAxthanks ajmitch :)00:36
RoAkSoAxTheMuso, ping?00:36
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marnoldcan someone look at https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-themes-extras/+bug/37740701:02
ubottuUbuntu bug 377407 in gnome-themes-extras "Sync gnome-themes-extras 2.22.0-3 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)." [Undecided,New]01:02
marnoldI want to get it in before I get another serious illness01:06
* masterkernel is away: not here right now01:06
RoAkSoAxTheMuso, I'm merging xmp and before finishing, I was wondering if I should apply the patch attached here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xmp/+bug/39371801:10
ubottuUbuntu bug 393718 in xmp "enable pulseaudio output" [Undecided,New]01:10
marnoldi got H1N1 like 5 days after i submitted that, that lasted 2 weeks and then i get a weeks worth of migrans after my last comment on it so I'm beginning to think its bad luck01:10
marnold:|01:11
quidnuncIs firefox-3.5 being backported for jaunty?01:14
micahgquidnunc: there will be security updates for Jaunty01:16
quidnuncmicahg: But not the official release?01:17
micahgyes, the official release will be an updates01:18
micahgin jaunty/updates01:18
micahgin the next few days01:18
micahgand security updates will also be for Jaunty01:18
quidnuncmicahg: Is there a timeline for the official relase in jaunty planned?01:19
micahgno01:19
micahgasap01:19
quidnunc3.5+nobinonly-0ubuntu1 was release to karmic an hour ago according to launchpad. Why does rmadison still give the version as being rc2?01:25
micahgquidnunc: it has a little lag01:25
quidnuncmicahg: What is it sourced from?01:26
micahgidk01:26
micahgis it built in karmic yet?01:26
quidnunchttps://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.501:26
quidnuncwhat is idk01:27
micahgi don't know01:27
micahghttps://launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+source/firefox-3.5/3.5+nobinonly-0ubuntu101:27
micahgstill building01:27
quidnuncIs there a page with currently building and queued packages?01:32
directhexyes.01:33
quidnuncdirecthex: Is it public?01:33
directhexyes!01:34
directhexhttps://launchpad.net/builders shows current build behaviour01:34
quidnuncdirecthex, micahg: Thanks01:34
micahgnp quidnunc01:35
panaggioI'm installing a package here that has libg2c0-dev as a dependency. Is this package no longer supported by ubuntu community?02:15
panaggiothe last release that supported it was hardy02:15
ajmitchtry libg2-dev instead02:16
panaggioajmitch: I think they're a bit different02:21
panaggiothe one I need stands for Fortran 7702:22
ajmitchsorry, I misread the apt-cache output02:22
panaggiowhereas the one you suggested offers 2D graphics02:22
panaggioajmitch: no problem02:23
ajmitchlibg2c0 comes from the gcc-3.4 source, and it doesn't appear to build a -dev package02:23
panaggioajmitch: but there was this package in hardy http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/libg2c0-dev02:24
ajmitchwhich appears to no longer be built02:26
ScottKI have a vague recollection of us getting out of the Fortran 77 business.02:29
* ajmitch remembers laserjock complaining about it at one point02:30
micahgdo we really need 5 versions of gcc?02:34
micahgis there anything that even uses gcc-3.4 anymore?02:36
ScottKmicahg: Yes.  There is.  We remove them when nothing uses them anymore.02:40
ScottKIt's actually 6 in Karmic.02:41
micahgthere are 6 that depend on it?02:42
ScottKNo, 6 gcc versions.02:43
ScottKPicked up 4.4 and didn't lose any yet.02:43
micahgoh02:43
ScottKI note 3.3 is still there.  Not sure why.02:43
* ajmitch is glad we don't have 2.95 still02:44
* RAOF fondly remembers some development on Windows with gcc 2.9502:45
micahg3.3's only source at this point seemingly02:45
* ScottK remembers filing the removal bug for 2.95 (during Hardy)02:46
ScottKmicahg: That and libstdc++502:46
ajmitchthose fond memories of c++ fun02:46
ScottKlibstdc++5 has no reverse build depends, so I suspect this can go.02:46
micahgCan I look those up through rdepends?02:47
ajmitchI think it may have been kept around for those old pieces of proprietary software02:47
ScottKAlso looks like glassfish-bin somehow cares.02:47
ScottKmicahg: You need the reverse-build-depends script in ubuntu-dev-tools.02:48
micahgah02:48
ScottKmicahg: Or apt-cache rdepends for run time dependencies.02:48
ScottKOf which libstdc++5 has some.02:48
kb9vqf_ScottK: UT2004 (a somewhat popular game that was released for Windows and Linux) still uses libstdc++502:50
* kb9vqf_ thinks it might not be a good idea to remove it02:50
ajmitchthere are a few like that02:51
ScottKKilling off 4.1 might be a better shot.02:52
sattamhi  , we have arabic issue in the Firfox 3.5 : https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=499538 , ubuntu going to patch it  ?03:10
ubottuMozilla bug 499538 in Layout: Text "Arabic letters are disconnected in edit fields" [Critical,New]03:10
ScottKsattam: Try in #ubuntu-mozillateam.03:11
sattamScottK: thanks03:13
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slytherinpersia: there?05:49
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quadrisprohi guys, any archive admin around?07:25
StevenKquadrispro: To do what ... ?07:29
dholbachgood morning07:30
fabrice_spHi. Any MOTU willing to sponsor bug #337337? I'd like to do a SRU after upload in Karmic07:30
ubottuLaunchpad bug 337337 in mountmanager "mountmanager crashed with SIGSEGV in QGridLayout::rowCount()" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/33733707:30
quadrisprohi StevenK! yesterday I pushed a package into the NEW queue (mp3diags) after 2 advocates on REVU but I would ask you to drop it because I forgot to add a little stuff :)07:31
StevenKquadrispro: I'm happy to reject it, just a moment.07:31
quadrisprobut now I can't see mp3diags in the queue, probably it was already removed07:31
quadrisprobuongiorno dholbach!07:32
StevenKquadrispro: I can't either07:32
dholbachhi quadrispro!07:33
ajmitchhi dholbach07:33
dholbachevanrmurphy: regarding your edit of PackagingGuide/Complete: one is about building a binary package, the other one about building a source package07:34
quadrisprovery well, so I can upload the fixed package. thanks StevenK07:34
dholbachhiya ajmitch07:34
dholbachevanrmurphy: I hope you don't mind me removing the comment07:34
gesergood morning07:43
dholbachhi geser07:44
fabrice_spquadrispro, about Bug #39414208:07
ubottuLaunchpad bug 394142 in epcr "FTBFS with GCC 4.4" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/39414208:07
fabrice_spI have a debdiff (I was waiting for build before opening the bug report)08:08
fabrice_spis it too late?08:08
fabrice_sp(by the way: good morning everybody!)08:08
quadrisprobuongiorno fabrice_sp, I think it had better wait to see if new release comes from debian08:10
fabrice_spquadrispro, the bug report is from November, but ok08:11
quadrisprofabrice_sp: mmm08:11
slytherinquadrispro: it is better to wait if there is a bug opened in debian about same FTBFS. By the way AFAIK, Debian has not switched to GCC-4.4 yet.08:12
fabrice_spslytherin, even if the bug is 8 month old?08:13
fabrice_spbug report, I mean08:13
slytherinfabrice_sp: in that case no. If the bug report in Debian is 8 months old it makes sense to fix it in Ubuntu and forward the patch to Debian.08:14
fabrice_spok08:14
quadrisprofabrice_sp: could you get in touch with the Debian maintainer to know what he would to do?08:14
quadrisprofabrice_sp: however, please attach the patch to the report08:15
fabrice_spquadrispro, sure, but as last comment was that he prefers to wait for upstream, I'm not sure it will make things go further08:16
fabrice_spbut I'll attach the patch, anyway08:16
fabrice_spdone08:20
slytherinmaxb: ping. You haven't logged sync bug for libjaudiotagger-java08:21
DanMcGoohi08:39
DanMcGooI am trying to build a package with pbuilder, but I get the following error:08:39
DanMcGoopbuilder-satisfydepends-dummy: Depends: libcmpicppimpl0-dev which is a virtual package.08:40
DanMcGooany idea ?08:40
DanMcGoook I found the solution thanks08:44
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rawangfreeflying, ping09:52
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freeflyingrawang: pong09:53
rawangfreeflying, hi, i'm planning to apply MOTU, and need sponsor, could you please be my sponsor?09:54
freeflyingrawang: cool, it should be fine09:54
rawangfreeflying, please add endorsements on my wiki page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RayWang09:55
freeflyingrawang: you mean now?09:55
Laneyrawang: I'm not being funny, but I don't see any uploads credited to you. Have you done any?09:55
rawangfreeflying, take your time :)09:56
rawangLaney, yes09:56
rawangfreeflying, Laney , and also, i need a sponsor to review my package :)   http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/strongwind09:57
freeflyingrawang: at least you'd work with a team for an release cycle :)09:57
ajmitchLaney: most of his stuff I've seen on the debian-cli list :)09:58
rawangfreeflying, did you remember you asked to resolved the license problem of the package? i finally resolve it.09:58
Laneyajmitch: Yeah I saw those too...09:58
ajmitchrawang: have you got any of that into ubuntu yet?09:58
rawangajmitch, Laney I'm working mono a11y stuff09:58
rawangajmitch, no09:58
Laneyrawang: we would probably want you to have a fair amount of sponsored uploads09:59
rawangajmitch, the packages are waiting for directhex to review, and then push into debian first09:59
rawangLaney, sure, then let's sponsor my first package please :)10:00
* Laney wibbles10:00
Laneymaybe when I finish work10:00
directhexoh damn, that fell off my radar10:00
rawangdirecthex,  ;)10:01
directhexi was at a conference! and it's been really hot lately!10:01
freeflyingrawang: cool, in meeting, talk to you later10:02
rawangdirecthex, yeah, I understand :)10:02
rawangfreeflying, sure10:02
rawangfreeflying, thank you10:02
freeflyingrawang: np10:02
rawangLaney, and also , i have filed the bug https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/38049610:03
ubottuUbuntu bug 380496 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging] strongwind" [Wishlist,New]10:03
rawangcould some one be my sponsor?10:05
directhexGAH, GIT10:08
RAOFHeh.10:09
rawangdirecthex,  Could you please review my new upload for mono a11y package on your spare time? i hope it won't fell off your radar any more :)10:09
slytherinjmarsden: Do you have any plans about updating iriverter?10:12
recreatedmesorry for this noob question, but where do i properly seek mentorship?10:19
maxbslytherin: pong. Have been struggling in vain to find some sort of Debian (not Ubuntu) policy to verify that upstreaming Build-Depends: s/default-jdk-builddep/default-jdk/ is valid10:20
gasparecreatedme: what do you exactly mean? have you seen https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Mentoring ?10:23
recreatedmegaspa, it would seem, what i'm looking for is "preparing new packages" https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Contributing10:25
gasparecreatedme: I think mentoring program concern also 'new packages'. But i'm not directly involved in. I can assure you.10:27
recreatedmethough would that still be ok? if i already uploaded in mentors.debian?10:27
recreatedmeah i see10:27
gaspaubuntu as revu in place of mentors.debian...10:28
gaspas/as/has10:28
recreatedmeyeah, so if someone would actually offer mentorship in debian, which seems hard to come by..10:29
rawangI'm also seeking mentors (sponsors) for my new package10:29
recreatedmewhich would be advisable?10:29
recreatedmeto revu or to mentor?10:30
gasparecreatedme: i'm a bit confused. Are you searching sponsors for new packages in debian or ubuntu?10:31
recreatedmeat first in debian, but seeing so many packages pushed there for mentorship, i'm considering ubuntu10:32
gasparecreatedme: if you're searching for debian, it'd be better asking in debian channels. otherwise, use REVU.10:33
rawanggaspa, I'm also want some people to be my sponsor, where is the place to find those people?10:36
rawanggaspa, the wiki said, i have to have at least 3-5 sponsors10:36
rawangfor new package10:36
gasparawang: sponsors for what?10:36
gaspaah10:36
rawanggaspa, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/38049610:37
ubottuUbuntu bug 380496 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging] strongwind" [Wishlist,New]10:37
rawanggaspa,  http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/strongwind10:37
recreatedmegaspa: i'm actually not just searching for package reviewer, but also try to seek advice as to weather wait for mentorship in debian? or actively seek revu'ers in ubuntu.10:37
Laneydon't wait for a debian sponsor, hunt one out10:38
recreatedmelaney, ah so that's the name of game :)10:38
Laneyfind a packaging team that deals in your area10:39
gasparawang: you need at least two motu that assure that you're package is ok.10:39
recreatedmei just thought it was just upload a package for review in mentors then just sit tight, heheh i guess not :D10:40
gasparecreatedme: you'd be pretty lucky...10:40
rawanggaspa, ok, i can  have freeflying as one of them, but what i have remembered directhex was not a MOTU?10:40
recreatedmegaspa, true10:40
rawanggaspa, so would you mind to be my sponsor? :)10:41
fabrice_sprawang, I still don't understand what you are looking for10:41
fabrice_spif you want your package to be reviewed, just request it10:42
fabrice_spif you want to become a MOTU, you ahve a long way in front of you10:42
gaspafabrice_sp: :)10:42
fabrice_spand a lot aof debdiff sponsored10:42
fabrice_sp:-)10:42
rawangfabrice_sp, ok, I'm looking for sponsors to review my new packages, and I'd like to be a MOTU, so i still need sponsors  to grant me :)10:43
gasparawang: I never reviewed a package, so don't expect an "ACK" from me, but Ill take a look.10:43
gaspa"I'll"10:43
rawanggaspa, sure, thank you10:43
freeflyingrawang: r u mean mentors?10:43
rawangmentors are for packages, sponsors are for MOTU?10:44
fabrice_sprawang, for the REVU part, just post the link, and request for review. For MOTU, submit a lot of debdiff closing bugs ;-)10:44
fabrice_spsponsor is the MOTU that accept to 'sponsor' your upload, using a debdiff. The debdiff is a way to submit a change to an existing pacakge10:44
fabrice_spclosing a bug report10:45
fabrice_spso first, find the bug, post the debdiff that fix it, and then request sponsoship10:45
slytherinrawang: you need 2 advocates for new packages not 3-5. And directhex is a MOTU.10:45
rawangok, now I understand10:46
fabrice_spwhen you get known, reliable, and after a lot of upload, you can apply for motuship10:46
fabrice_spso I think you're looking for reviewers10:46
fabrice_sp:-D10:46
rawangOK, first of all, I need someone to review my new package, and help to upload :)10:46
fabrice_spurl?10:47
fabrice_sp:-)10:47
slytherinrawang: by the way, creating new packages i not the only path towards motuship. you can fix packages, help with important transitions etc. I believe there are few MOTUs who have never created packages from scratch.10:47
rawangfabrice_sp, http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/strongwind10:47
fabrice_sprawang, your package build fine in Karmic?10:48
rawangslytherin, oh, yeah. thanks for telling that. It's helpful :)10:48
rawangfabrice_sp, yep10:48
fabrice_spI'll check ;-)10:48
rawangfabrice_sp, https://launchpad.net/~raywang/+archive/ppa,   the only difference between my upload on REVU and there is add a COPYING file10:49
rawangfabrice_sp, since I can't update the built package on my PPA, what I only could do is raise the version number which i don't want :(10:50
rawangslytherin, for being a package maintainer, how many packages I should maintain could help me to be a MOTU?10:52
Laneyrawang: Don't worry about that, when you're ready people will tell you10:52
Laneythere's no fixed number10:52
rawangLaney, yeah, I know, I mean at least :)10:52
* Laney shrugs10:52
Laney"some"10:52
slytherinrawang: It is more about quality. When people are confident about you, they will tell you.10:52
Laneyif you want to focus only on your own packages you can get upload rights just for those ones10:53
rawangLaney, slytherin ok, i see ;)10:53
LaneyMOTU isn't just about maintaining our own packages, we do lots of other stuff too10:53
rawangLaney, hmm, not sure, I think i'll probably focus on my own packages10:54
rawangLaney, ok10:54
fabrice_sprawang, lintian throw me that warnings:10:55
fabrice_spW: python-strongwind: copyright-lists-upstream-authors-with-dh_make-boilerplate10:55
fabrice_spW: python-strongwind: copyright-contains-dh_make-todo-boilerplate10:55
fabrice_spfabrice@fabrice-desktop:~/data/build/revu$10:55
rawangLaney, so that means focus on one's package is not enough or incompetent to be a MOTU? :)10:55
fabrice_sprawang, nop10:55
Laneymore, I think it means that you want per-package uploader rights10:55
fabrice_sphave a look at my launchpad account, and you'll see: i'm not yet a motu10:55
rawangfabrice_sp, will do10:56
rawangLaney, yeah, maybe10:56
rawangfabrice_sp, btw, where is your lp account? I can't find any PPA from your lp account page10:58
fabrice_sphttps://bugs.launchpad.net/~fabricesp11:03
fabrice_spI built it locally11:03
fabrice_spwith sbuild11:03
rawangfabrice_sp, I use pbuilder, is that ok?11:04
fabrice_spbut you can use pbuilder11:04
fabrice_spyes :-.)11:04
rawanghehe :)11:04
rawangsbuild is yet another build system?11:04
fabrice_sp!sbuild11:05
ubottusbuild is a system to easily build packages in a clean schroot environment.  To get started with SBuild, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SbuildLVMHowto11:05
fabrice_sp:-)11:05
rawangsuper! ;)11:05
fabrice_spit's the same except that i's using LVM partitions11:06
rawang!pbuilder11:06
ubottupbuilder is a system to easily build packages in a clean chroot environment. To get started with PBuilder, see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto11:06
fabrice_spto have this lintian erros, you ahve to run lintian on the deb11:06
rawangfabrice_sp, ok, i have resolve all the warnings?11:06
recreatedmequick question on lintian warning, does one really have to eradicate it?11:07
recreatedmeor depends?11:07
rawangs/have/have to/11:07
RAOFUnless you're running lintian with the pedantic option, fixing all the warnings is a great idea.11:07
fabrice_sprawang, yes, becvause htey mean that somes files are not clean11:08
recreatedmeRAOF: ah ok :)11:08
fabrice_spin this case, it's about dh_make boilerplate11:08
rawangfabrice_sp, ok, i'll re-upload when i fix those warnings ;)11:09
fabrice_spgreat :-)11:09
rawangfabrice_sp, thanks! ;)11:10
fabrice_spyw11:10
fabrice_sprawang, by the way, for the copyright file, you can use this http://wiki.debian.org/Proposals/CopyrightFormat?action=recall&rev=196 format11:14
rawangfabrice_sp, it's generated by dh_make11:15
fabrice_sprawang, but you have to edit it, and put the right content11:15
fabrice_spit's a VERY important file11:16
RAOFfabrice_sp: You might want to be linking to DEP5 instead?_ http://dep.debian.net/deps/dep5/11:16
rawangfabrice_sp, yes, i miss removing some commented lines, i'll fix  that :)11:17
fabrice_spRAOF, you're right. rawang please have a look at RAOF link11:17
rawangokeedokee11:17
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gesergaspa: I'm not an expert for launchpadlib but I know how to use it. Why are you asking?12:23
savvasdoes anyone know the path for "Vcs-Bzr:" if the "Vcs-Browser:" is http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~surl/surl/trunk/files  ?12:32
savvasapparently lp:surl is not accepted :P12:32
jpdssavvas: bzr branch lp:~surl/surl/trunk12:34
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savvasjpds: no I mean, if this is "Vcs-Browser: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~surl/surl/trunk/files" in debian/control, what would the "Vcs-Bzr: " link be?12:35
jpdssavvas: Probably the code.launchpad.net page.12:40
slytherinsavvas: I think you should be able to find that from local copy of the bzr branch.12:42
savvasah cool, bzr info :)12:43
jpdssavvas: For example, gnome-themes uses the code.l.n page.12:45
savvasVcs-Browser: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~surl/surl/trunk/files12:47
savvasVcs-Bzr: bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~surl/surl/trunk/12:47
savvasthank you  both :)12:47
gaspageser: i'm trying to get the uploader of the last version of a source package in a series...13:14
gaspabut h.l.n/API doesn't help13:14
gesergaspa: that data is probably not yet available through the API13:16
gasparight. it seemed to me too.13:16
stefanlsdRainCT: awesome! thanks for the upload!13:22
gesergaspa: have you tried to look at the changes_file_url from a SPPH? you would need to fetch it and parse it to get the data you need13:22
RainCTstefanlsd: no, thank you for the work :)13:23
stefanlsdRainCT: naa. was a big team effort :)13:24
gesergaspa: file a bug to get the data added you need13:27
gaspageser: SPPH?13:30
gaspaanyway, bug report is the right answer ;)13:31
geserSource Package Publishing History, https://edge.launchpad.net/+apidoc/#source_package_publishing_history13:32
gesersorry for using abbrevations13:32
gesergaspa: bug #37270413:36
ubottuLaunchpad bug 372704 in soyuz "expose Signed-by and Changed-by via API" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/37270413:36
gaspageser: thanks.13:41
gaspaSPPH doesn't contain this informations,รน as said in the report...13:42
gesergaspa: not directly, but the changes file contains it (which you would need to parse yourself) and there is SPPH.changes_file_url13:44
gaspageser: yes, of course.13:45
gaspacprov: do you know when these information will be available through launchpad api?13:46
gaspa(we're talking about the bug right above)13:46
cprovgaspa: unfortunately, it's not scheduled for anytime soon.13:47
gesergaspa: just curious: what you need that data for?13:47
gaspageser: add to the ftbfs data.13:48
gaspacprov: thanks. no problem :)13:48
gesergaspa: so you know who to blame^Wask about it? :)13:48
gaspageser: ..and "just for fun" :P13:48
cprovgaspa: let's see if I can bump its priority in the next soyuz meeting, it would help if you can get a motivation for adding the 'motu' tag13:49
gaspacprov: well, no 'critical' motivations, ATM.13:50
cprovgaspa: right, nice-to-have only.13:50
gaspayep13:50
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gaspageser: right... for ubuntuX packages it'd be convenient13:51
AndrewGe1Hi. I'm trying to fix a package that's picking up a wrong directory for a python directory in a configure script. When I autoreconf and autoconf with a newer version than what was used for the packaged script, should I patch the configure script manually?13:52
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geserAndrewGee: the autoreconf fixed it and you ask how to best package the fix?13:53
AndrewGeegeser: Yes.13:54
geserdoes the package use a patch system already?13:54
AndrewGeeI've set up dpatch for it ready, for just this fix.13:54
geserusually it's not well liked to introduce a patch system where none was used, but in this case I'd prefer one (else merging configure will be a pain)13:56
AndrewGeeOkay. So I should just patch the configure script?13:56
geserso please use a patch system and also include in the patch description how to recreate this patch if needed13:56
AndrewGeeOkay :)13:56
Laneyit'd be nice to send the patch upstream too so we don't have to carry it13:56
geserthat too13:57
AndrewGeeOk13:57
AndrewGeeThanks guys13:57
quadrisproLaney: Hi Ian, do you have a 2-3 minutes for a review? :)14:05
Laneyquadrispro: Iain* :), and I guess I do14:06
quadrisprolol sorry :)14:06
pochuDebiain14:07
pochuno, I prefer Ian I think :)14:07
Laney:(14:07
quadrisprorotfl14:07
quadrisproLaney: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/xvidenc14:07
Laneyyou should take this up with my mother14:07
quadrisprothank you :)14:07
* Laney spies14:07
pochuLaney: but Delaney sounds good :)14:08
Laneyquadrispro: there's a lot of technical jargon at the end of your long description14:12
Laneyalso I believe that you could get that down to the DH7 tiny rules file if you so wished14:12
Laneyby making a .changelogs and .manpages file14:13
quadrisprook, i'll make these changes14:14
Laneydo those matrices fall under the GPL?14:14
Laney(and the copyright of the author - aka did he create them?)14:18
quadrisproLaney: yes, he seems the real author14:21
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Laneygaspa: did you hear back from Simon Marlow again?14:28
gaspaLaney: silence. :)14:29
Laneyheh14:29
gaspaLaney: you too, i guess...14:34
Laneyme too what?14:35
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quadrisproLaney: uploading to REVU14:45
quadrisprono, I have to adjust 2-3 things14:46
slytherinquadrispro: why is maintainer u-d-d?14:47
Laneythat's what update-maintainer does now14:47
Laneyin preparation for archivereorg14:47
quadrisproslytherin: due to the archive re-org14:48
slytherinquadrispro: Laney: is this updated update-maintainer available in jaunty?14:48
geserslytherin: probably just in trunk till now14:49
quadrisproLaney: I'm going away for 15 minutes about, please add your comments to the REVU page (or ACK it, if you think it's ready)14:50
quadrisprosee you later14:50
Laneyquadrispro: i thought you said you were uploading again14:54
gaspaLaney: you too didn't hear anything from SImon marlow.14:55
Laneygaspa: oh, no. I don't want to hassle him.14:56
gaspa:)14:56
Laneyin a couple of weeks we'll just have to decide to stick14:57
gaspaLaney: mmm... -> http://hackage.haskell.org/trac/ghc/roadmap14:58
Laneyyep14:59
evanrmurphydholbach: Hi! You still there?15:14
dholbachevanrmurphy: yep15:16
evanrmurphydholbach: Thanks for answering my question. It's totally fine that you removed my comment on the wiki, but perhaps you could explain a bit more to help me understand, as I'm still gaining familiarity with these tools.15:16
dholbachsure15:16
evanrmurphydholbach: I guess I understand in principle the difference between building a binary package and building the source.15:16
evanrmurphyWel, I think. ;)15:16
dholbachjust running "debuild" will give you .deb packages in the end, so installable binary packages15:16
dholbach"debuild -S" will rebuild the source package, so give you a .diff.gz and a .dsc file for your .orig.tar.gz15:17
evanrmurphyhmmm15:17
evanrmurphyI see15:17
evanrmurphyit builds the .diff.gz based off, for example, the changes we made to hello earlier in the tutorial.15:18
dholbachexactly15:18
evanrmurphybut then in building the source package, we go on to run sudo pbuilder build ../*.dsc15:18
evanrmurphydoesn't that build the deb just like the previous section?15:18
dholbachhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Recipes/Debdiff plays with the source package creation a bit15:18
evanrmurphythanks15:19
dholbachyes, but you need to have the source package (.dsc, .diff.gz, .orig.tar.gz) before you start running pbuilder on it15:19
DrknezzHi guys!15:19
evanrmurphydholbach: So the difference between the .deb created in the binary section from the one created in the source section:15:20
dholbachthere's no .deb created in the source section15:20
DrknezzI want to ask something, why did you leave adept? packagekit is so bad, it barely displays GUI apps, and not all of 'em :(15:20
dholbachthere's no compilation or installation of files happening there15:20
evanrmurphythe .deb created in pbuilder doesn't count? :-/15:20
dholbachDrknezz: you might want to ask in #kubuntu-devel15:20
Drknezzdholbach: oh!, ok15:21
dholbachevanrmurphy: pbuilder calls something like "debuild" in the process15:21
dholbachevanrmurphy: pbuilder does not build a source package, it requires it beforehand15:21
evanrmurphyHmmm... I think I see now.15:22
evanrmurphydholbach: We need to build the binary package and the source package, correct?15:23
evanrmurphydholbach: I'm sure this will come together better for me as I continue perusing the documentation. Thanks a lot for your time.15:24
dholbachevanrmurphy: the most common workflow is to do something like this: apt-get source A; cd A-*; <do some changes, add changelog entry>; debuild -S; pbuild the resulting new source package; play with the resulting new .deb package; when happy, send debdiff between both .dsc files for review15:26
dholbachor if you're part of the uploader team, upload the resulting source package15:26
dholbachinstead of using pbuilder, you can use   debuild   too, to build the package locally15:27
evanrmurphydholbach: That helps me very much to see a workflow overview like that.15:28
dholbachgreat15:28
evanrmurphydholbach: Unless I'm still off-base here, I guess my comment on the wiki came from confusion because it appears that in the section Building the Package, we build a binary package, whereas in Building the Source Package, we build a source package *and then* build a(nother) binary package.15:31
dholbachevanrmurphy: maybe we need some kind of "overview" or workflow diagram or something15:32
evanrmurphydholbach: So if you follow both sections, you end up with two binaries. What I neglected to understand there is that they are two different ways to build the package, a la, "dholbach> instead of using pbuilder, you can use   debuild   too, to build the package locally"15:32
evanrmurphybut it's not a huge deal15:33
dholbachI see what you mean15:33
evanrmurphydholbach: Maybe I'll just tweak the phrasing a bit to remedy my particular confusion.15:33
quadrisproLaney: matrices seems taken from a website, but they aren't covered by any license15:34
dholbachevanrmurphy: that'd be sweet15:34
evanrmurphydholbach: Thanks again! :)15:34
dholbachevanrmurphy: rock on!15:34
Laneyquadrispro: please confirm they are redistributable15:34
quadrisproLaney: mmm... the right solution may be exclude them from the binary (even their contents are only numbers)15:35
quadrisprommm... no15:35
Laneyno that wouldn't help15:35
* quadrispro confused15:35
quadrisproLaney: ok, and... repacking the tarball?15:37
quadrisprommm15:37
Laneywell15:37
Laneypresumably they're in there for a reason?15:37
* gaspa 's trying to compile unleaden swallow on arm :| omg!15:37
quadrisproyes, README.matrices explains well, but they aren't strictly needed15:38
quadrisprosimply, they allow user to fit a whole movie on a single CD15:40
Laneyyou should ask for an archive opinion, but AFAIK all source files need to have license information clearly specified15:40
quadrisproScottK: what do you think about it?15:40
LaneyNote that under international copyright law (this applies in the United States, too), no distribution or modification of a work is allowed without an explicit notice saying so. Therefore a program without a copyright notice is copyrighted and you may not do anything to it without risking being sued! Likewise if a program has a copyright notice but no statement saying what is permitted then nothing is permitted.15:41
quadrisproLaney: yes, I know that15:41
Laneyit's clear that the upstream author didn't create them15:42
ScottKLaney: Generally we take the position that if a full copy of the license is included in a tarball it applies to all the files in the tarball unless there is a reason to believe it doesn't.15:42
LaneyScottK: There is a reason - the author says he took them from elsewhere15:42
quadrisprothose files contain only number, there's no code15:42
LaneyI would have thought they were copyrightable still15:42
ScottKSo in general per file copyright/license stuff is not strictly required.15:43
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ScottKquadrispro: As an example, if I take a bunch of data and index it, the index is copyrightable even though it has no original content.  The creative work is in the organization of it.15:43
quadrisprobut Laney, I think that numbers couldn't be covered by any kind of license15:43
Laneythey are clearly a creative work15:44
quadrisprommm15:44
ScottKquadrispro: Are these numbers the result of natural mathmatics or was some thought original work of authorship needed to create them?15:44
MTecknologyWhat's the package for the bretty boot screen15:45
quadrisproScottK, I can find a lot of website where these "matrices" are available for the download but I don't know, so we can keep them out from the tarball, user will be free to decide what to do15:48
quadrisproand probably it's the better solution15:48
Laneyurgh, building GHC15:49
ScottKquadrispro: I think that's a good solution.  In the meantime you might try to hunt down the original source and get permission.15:49
quadrisproright, I'll work on it later15:52
quadrisprosee you!15:52
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james_whi qt people, where would I find the qt4 dbus bindings?16:05
james_wah, libqt4-dbus I presume16:06
james_wyay, qt4-x1116:06
masterkernelanyone know if debian has python 3 in its unstable or main repo?16:27
ScottKI know it's in experimental.  I'm not sure about unstable.16:35
pochumasterkernel: python3.1 in experimental only16:53
masterkernelpochu: thanks16:53
pochupython3.1 3.1~rc2+20090622-1, to be more precise16:54
pochuyw16:54
gaspageser: do you have a way to test you ftbfs code, without scanning the whole launchpad series?17:05
gaspas/you/your17:05
gesergaspa: yes :) I add a small counter inside the for loop and exit it after 10 packages17:06
gaspahackish :P17:07
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evanrmurphydholbach: I made some changes to the sections we were talking about to try and clarify what was confusing me. (See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Complete#Building%20the%20Package%20Locally%20(Binary%20Only) and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Complete#Building%20the%20Package%20(Source%20and%20Binary) .) Changes include modifying the title and rephrasing/adding body content. When you get a chance, plea17:51
evanrmurphyse confirm that the information there is accurate.17:51
dholbachevanrmurphy: if you drop me a mail about it, I'll review it early tomorrow17:52
dholbachI'm just about to head out and buy something to cook dinner17:52
evanrmurphydholbach: Sure thing. Enjoy your meal.17:52
dholbachgracias!17:52
dholbachtake care17:52
evanrmurphyde nada :)17:53
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gaspasomebody knows where MoM code is?18:12
maxbgaspa: lp:merge-o-matic :-)18:17
MeikiHello. I'm hosting a booth at an event for Ubuntu packaging how-to's. Is there a .pdf format of a Ubuntu packaging guide? I've been looking for a few hours now only to find guides on the Ubuntu wiki in web-format.18:23
MeikiIdeally, a .pdf would be nice18:23
evanrmurphyMeiki: I don't see it in anything but wiki format, either. Hmmm...18:26
Meikievanrmurphy: I'm sure that before I found a .pdf version of a guide for packaging, just cannot recall where it was18:26
evanrmurphyMeiki: Have you considered dropping an email to ubuntu-doc@lists.ubuntu.com? That's the Documentation Team's mailing list.18:29
Meikievanrmurphy: Is that list open, or do you have to subscribe?18:30
evanrmurphyMeiki: Apparently they have an IRC channel as well: #ubuntu-doc. (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam)18:30
evanrmurphyMeiki: Channel looks fairly populated.18:30
Meikievanrmurphy: Thank you18:32
evanrmurphyMeiki: I don't believe that you need to subscribe to post on their mailing list. You should however note that you're not a subscriber in any email you send to them, otherwise they might just reply to the list (and not include you explicitly), causing you to miss your responses.18:32
evanrmurphyMeiki: You're welcome!18:32
evanrmurphyMeiki: Good luck finding what you need, and good luck with the event. It sounds great.18:33
droolpalI an not install libtiff-tools or libjpeg-progs, currently at the bottom of my dependency issue is 'freeglut3' - which is not in my Jaunty repositories, why is this?18:43
droolpalshouldn't freeglut3 be in the repositories?18:43
ScottKIt is: freeglut3 | 2.4.0-6.1ubuntu1 |        jaunty | amd64, i38618:52
slytherincan anyone here help in setting up sbuild?19:02
Ampelbeinslytherin: any specific question? have you read the tutorial?19:02
Ampelbein!sbuild19:02
ubottusbuild is a system to easily build packages in a clean schroot environment.  To get started with SBuild, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SbuildLVMHowto19:02
AnAntslytherin:  Hello19:03
slytherinAmpelbein: It specifically talks about lvm chroots. I am using one with type 'file'19:04
slytherinAnAnt: hi19:04
AnAntwe're not in featurefreeze yet, are we ?19:11
directhexno19:11
directhexend of august19:12
directhexDIF i think#19:12
AnAntah, ok19:12
AnAntok19:13
jacqoliveHi19:27
AnAntslytherin: found anything on velocity ?19:28
slytherinAnAnt: haven't checked. I will be booting in Debian in a while. Will check and update the bug.19:28
slytherinjacqolive: hi19:28
AnAntslytherin: thank !19:28
jacqoliveCan any one give me some direction on how to get involved with developing for Ubuntu19:29
stefanlsdjacqolive: Have a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/GettingStarted19:29
slytherinjacqolive: the direction is up ^^. Read the channel topic. :-)19:30
jacqolivestefanlsd: thanks19:30
c_kornwhy do I only get empty packages with this control and rules file? http://pastebin.com/d4904a825 http://pastebin.com/d3024e5e619:48
ximioncould someone please review http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/projectm-jack and http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/projectm-jack ? The packages provide projectM-visualisation support for JackAudio.19:51
ximionc_korn: Do the installation scripts work? What is the debuild output?19:51
slytherinc_korn: do you have any .install files in debian directory?19:51
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c_kornximion: http://abs.getdeb.net/build_log/gnome-commander_1.2.8-1~getdeb1_2009_46_01_07_1246474003_amd64.log this is the output19:53
c_kornslytherin: no, I don't have any install files19:53
slytherinc_korn: that's why19:53
ximionc_korn: All files are installed into /debian/tmp . You have to erite an .install file to copy all necessary files to debian/gnome-commander.19:55
ximionerite -> write19:55
c_kornximion, slytherin: can I just put "/" in the install file for gnome-commander and debug symbols are automatically moved to the -dbg package?19:55
slytherinc_korn: I am not sure.19:56
c_kornslytherin: ok, thanks. I will try it19:56
ximionc_korn: To move the debuginfos into a separate package, you have to use --dbg-package=listaller-gtk-dbg after dh_strip in a non-CDBS-based rules file...19:57
ximion...I'll look it up for CDBS... To the .install-file: Just try it!19:58
ximionc_korn: You have to add the following modification to your CDBS-rules file to enable stripping of debuginfos: DEB_DH_STRIP_ARGS := --dbg-package=<package1> ...20:00
ximionDEB_DH_STRIP_ARGS := --dbg-package=<package1> ...20:00
c_kornhm, I remember that a -dbg was also created successfully without that argument. but thanks. I give it a try.20:00
ximionDEB_DH_STRIP_ARGS := --dbg-package=gnome-commander-dbg20:01
ximionc_korn: Okay, maybe this is implemente in the gnome-module...20:01
c_kornximion: yes, the argument is already passed to dh_strip: dh_strip -pgnome-commander  --dbg-package=gnome-commander-dbg20:02
ximioncould someone please review http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/projectm-jack and http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/projectm-jack ? The packages provide projectM-visualisation support for JackAudio.20:13
c_kornximion: it was "debian/tmp/*" in the .install file actually. but now it works. thanks20:27
RoAkSoAxHey guys, dependencies in libxul-dev should be changed to xulrunner-1.9-dev right?20:52
directhexxulrunner-dev, no?21:00
directhexlibxul-dev is for 1.8, the app may need patching to work with 1.9x21:01
RoAkSoAxdirecthex, right, but the dependency should be xulrunner-1.9-dev, or should it be xulrunner-dev ?21:02
directhexRoAkSoAx, do you want it to build against firefox 3.0, or the default firefox?21:12
RoAkSoAxdirecthex, another app is using xulrunner21:12
RoAkSoAxasac, shouldn't xulrunner-1.9-dev be install in '/usr/lib/xulrunner-devel-1.9' instead of '/usr/lib/xulrunner-devel-1.9.0.11' ?21:13
directhexRoAkSoAx, xulrunner-1.9-dev is for firefox 3's version of xulrunner. xulrunner-1.9.1-dev is for firefox 3.5's version of xulrunner. xulrunner-dev is whichever's the default. which is right for you?21:14
RoAkSoAxdirecthex, I think I'll keep xulrunner-dev21:14
geserRoAkSoAx: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XulrunnerGecko but I don't know if it's still up-to-date21:35
RoAkSoAxthanks geser :)21:35
ajmitchor you could ask the fine people in the mozillateam channel who probably know more :)21:38
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C10uDhello, i wanted to build gst-plugins-bad-multiverse in my ppa21:59
C10uDbut i need libmimic-dev21:59
C10uDwhich is in debian but not ubuntu21:59
C10uDif i load that lib in my ppa will it be found when retrying to package gst-..? or i must request inclusion of libmimic in ubuntu?22:00
geserC10uD: if you make it available in your PPA it will be also available as a build-dependency for other packages in your PPA22:04
C10uDok geser thank you22:04
masterkernelis nvidia-common in the multiverse repo?22:12
micahgmasterkernel: it's in main22:14
masterkernelis there a irc channel for those guys? or is it just -ubuntu22:15
masterkernelignore that last part22:15
RoAkSoAxHeya guys how can I fix this building error? error: could not create '/usr/local/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/cobbler': Permission denied23:08
RAOFLooks like you're (at least) failing to set --prefix.  But how to actually set this is build-system dependent; we'll need more context.23:10
RoAkSoAxRAOF, this is actually a python app and there's no prefix to set since I'm passing 'python setup.py install' the install process23:14
RAOFRight.  So, you pass "python setup.py install --prefix=/usr" :)23:15
RAOFThere is a prefix :)23:15
RoAkSoAxRAOF, I see though --prefix was only good on C/C++ apps :)23:16
geserRoAkSoAx: you are missing --root23:21
geserit tries to install into the root file-system instead of below debian/tmp23:21
geserand you should also use --install-layout=deb instead of --prefix (IIRC the both don't work together very well)23:22
RoAkSoAxgeser, ok cool thanks :)23:23
RAOFI see python packaging has changed.  Superb.23:23
* RAOF squirrels that away.23:23
RoAkSoAxI already have the package packaged with CDBS, though I'm trying to package it with debhelper23:23
ajmitchRAOF: only every release or so23:24
RAOFAnd then we get to migrate to python 3, and break everything?23:25
gesersure :) that will be fun23:25
ajmitchthe little shift from site-packages to dist-packages has been enough fun23:26
RoAkSoAx--install-layout does not work23:26
ajmitchthat reminds me, I need to get back to unbreaking nevow since I said I'd do it23:26
ajmitchit of course is failing with py 2.623:27
geserRoAkSoAx: how?23:27
RoAkSoAxgeser,  error: option --install-layout not recognized23:28
ajmitchwhat is the line you are using for setup.py?23:28
RoAkSoAx'python setup.py install'23:28
ajmitchwith no options?23:28
RoAkSoAxajmitch, now --prefix=/usr which sets the right path23:29
RoAkSoAxajmitch, and yes no other options. I'm just learning packaging from scratch23:29
RoAkSoAxanyways, I'm trying to debianize and app, which is fedora based. So I need to make many changes to the install process. Should I just modify setup.py ??23:30
ajmitch--install-layout=deb --root=$(CURDIR)/debian/cobbler23:30
geseris it a usual setup.py (from python-setuptools?) or a custom one just also named setup.py?23:30
* ajmitch thinks that --root is right, it may be wrong 23:31
RoAkSoAxgeser, i believe it is with python-setuptools: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/207775/23:32
gesereither that or $(CURDIR)/debian/tmp23:32
RoAkSoAxajmitch, geser ok thanks. :)23:32
ajmitchRoAkSoAx: so remove --prefix, it can't be used together with --install-layout23:33
RoAkSoAxajmitch, I was not using it together with --install-layout23:33
ajmitchok, you'd just mentioned you still had it, so I thought I'd warn you away from another build failure :)23:33
* ajmitch is *still* waiting for php5 to compile here23:34
* geser moves to bed, good night all23:34
ajmitchnight23:34
RoAkSoAxnight geser23:35
RoAkSoAxajmitch, thanks. It now builds :)23:36
RoAkSoAxshould I start modifying the setup.py and other upstream files to be able to run it in Ubuntu/Debian systems?23:38
cpscottiAmpelbein: I corrected some of the issues of the harpia package ( http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/harpia ) you just reviewed. I did some questions on the others. Thanks for the review!23:40
Ampelbeincpscotti: looking.23:41
Ampelbeincpscotti: yeah, you are right on number 2, I thought it was a python-library, so harpia is ok. regarding dh_desktop: it does not do anything anymore, see http://lintian.debian.org/tags/dh_desktop-is-deprecated.html23:48

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