[00:00] <knome> and as i said, once you mount something with sshfs, the mount appears as a normal local folder
[00:00] <knome> so you don't need any additional software
[00:01] <jules_> Hi
[00:01] <knome> !hi | jules_
[00:01] <ubottu> jules_: Hi! Welcome to #xubuntu!
[00:01] <jules_> i'm having troubles with ALSA drivers
[00:01] <jules_> thanks!
[00:02] <jules_> well
[00:02] <jules_> i have a crystal cx4235-qx3 audio card
[00:02] <jules_> and i can't get it to work
[00:02] <knome> which xubuntu?
[00:02] <jules_> i've been looking over the internet but haven't found how to do it
[00:02] <jules_> xubuntu 9.04
[00:03] <jules_> downloaded it a few hours ago
[00:03] <knome> jules_, okay. it uses pulseaudio as the default.
[00:03] <jules_> i downloaded and installed the updates it asked for
[00:03] <jules_> i guess that's not the right one for xubuntu, right?
[00:04] <knome> it just doesn't work for some
[00:04] <jules_> i'm pretty new with this and i have no idea where to start
[00:04] <knome> try removing pulseaudio
[00:04] <jules_> from synaptic?
[00:04] <knome> yep
[00:05] <jules_> it seems that nothing called pulseaudio is installed here or at least synaptic doesn't recognize it
[00:05] <jules_> (i didn't uninstalled it, though)
[00:07] <jules_> ... are you there?
[00:08] <knome> yep, sorry
[00:08] <jules_> no prob
[00:09] <knome> hmm, right...
[00:09] <jules_> it seems that pulseaudio is not installed
[00:09] <jules_> not under that name, at least
[00:09] <knome> okay
[00:09] <knome> so what's the problem? you hear nothing or you get an error?
[00:10] <jules_> i hear nothing and the icon in the tray bar (upper-right corner) is greyed out
[00:10] <jules_> and if i ask it to do anything it says..
[00:10] <jules_> let me see...
[00:10] <jules_> GStreamer was unable to detect any sound devices. Some sound system specific GStreamer packages may be missing. It may also be a permissions problem.
[00:10] <knome> right..
[00:11] <knome> if you right click it and select properties, what do you get?
[00:11] <knome> you should be able to select a sound card there
[00:11] <jules_> that's the way i got that :D
[00:11] <knome> ah, okay
[00:12] <knome> so what does 'lspci | grep audio' give from terminal?
[00:12] <jules_> the sound card i an ISA card
[00:12] <knome> aha...
[00:12] <jules_> let me see...
[00:12] <knome> has it worked before?
[00:12] <jules_> it says nothing
[00:13] <jules_> nor does nothing
[00:13] <knome> it shouldn't say anything as you have an isa controller
[00:13] <knome> ;)
[00:13] <jules_> nope, it didn't work before
[00:13] <knome> okay
[00:13] <jules_> great :)
[00:13] <knome> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToSetupSoundCards
[00:13] <knome> this page might help you
[00:14] <jules_> ok
[00:14] <jules_> i'll give it a try
[00:14] <jules_> if i can't solve this i'll be back
[00:14] <jules_> oh!
[00:14] <jules_> wait
[00:14] <knome> yep?
[00:14] <jules_> i've seen in a forum someone with the same problem
[00:14] <knome> was there a solution?
[00:15] <jules_> theoricly yes
[00:15] <jules_> but it didn't work for me
[00:15] <jules_> i couldn't run alsamixer
[00:15] <knome> which error did you get?
[00:15] <slimjimflim> hi, anybody know how to make a i386 deb into amd64?
[00:16] <knome> jules_, suppose it's this one: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=156334
[00:16] <knome> slimjimflim, you can't.
[00:16] <slimjimflim> what about the source?
[00:16] <jules_> no, it wasn't...
[00:16] <jules_> well
[00:16] <jules_> i'll read that one
[00:16] <slimjimflim> do i need to rewrite the code?
[00:17] <jules_> and the other one you gave me
[00:17] <jules_> if it doesn't work, i'll be back
[00:17] <jules_> thanks!
[00:17] <knome> slimjimflim, no, if it's written correctly. usually it is.
[00:17] <knome> jules_, np.
[00:17] <knome> slimjimflim, building from source builds to your architecture.
[00:17] <slimjimflim> ook
[00:17] <knome> slimjimflim, sometimes it's not possible, but that's rare
[00:17] <slimjimflim> ty
[00:18] <knome> np
[00:21] <jules_> mmm
[00:21] <jules_> i had no luck
[00:21] <knome> okay
[00:21] <knome> did you try loading modules as suggested in the HowToSetup... pgae?
[00:21] <jules_> apparently i have to use the snd_cs4236 driver
[00:21] <knome> *page
[00:22] <knome> jules_, it's ok, as long as it works
[00:22] <jules_> yes, i tried he modeprobe thing
[00:22] <jules_> with the driver i told you
[00:22] <knome> ok
[00:22] <jules_> but it said nothing
[00:22] <jules_> and then i couldn't use alsamixer
[00:22] <knome> jules_, what was the error?
[00:23] <jules_> i installed "alsamixergui" (guess is the same than alsamixer?)
[00:23] <jules_> alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory
[00:23] <knome> uh... i suppose that's gui for the alsamixer
[00:23] <jules_> what's gui?
[00:23] <knome> graphical user interface
[00:24] <jules_> i couldn't find the not-gui alsamixer in synaptic
[00:24] <jules_> ohhhh
[00:24] <jules_> now i understand
[00:24] <aacosta_> yeah i tried vsftpd again i must have something incoerectly on my .conf file
[00:24] <jules_> i have the graphic interface but not the mixer itself
[00:24] <knome> alsa-utils
[00:24] <knome> jules_, ^
[00:25] <jules_> it's installed
[00:25] <jules_> may be i should restart the pc?
[00:26] <knome> you could try that, but the module won't be loaded if you haven't followed the guide to the end
[00:26] <knome> i don't think that's a problem at this stage, though :)
[00:26] <jules_> i did it
[00:27] <jules_> i added the line in the module file
[00:27] <jules_> and then restarted
[00:27] <jules_> an hour ago...
[00:27] <knome> oh, right :D
[00:27] <jules_> but i didn't restarted when i installed alsa-utils
[00:28] <jules_> well
[00:28] <knome> jules_, that's not a problem.
[00:28] <jules_> i'll try restarting
[00:28] <knome> try running alsaconf after that
[00:28] <jules_> ok
[00:28] <jules_> i'll be back
[00:35] <jules_> no, it isn't working
[00:35] <jules_> and know i have no graphic interface in the desktop...
[00:35] <jules_> no toolbars at all
[00:35] <jules_> like when you close explorer.exe in windows
[00:36] <jules_> but i still have icons
[00:37] <jules_> alsaconf doesn't work either (it tells me "bash: alsaconf: command not found
[00:37] <jules_> ")
[00:37] <jules_> knome?
[00:38] <knome> jules_, okay...
[00:39] <jules_> how do i reactivate the explorer.exe-like thing?
[00:39] <knome> oh, the panels?
[00:39] <jules_> yeahp
[00:39] <knome> alt+f2 > xfce4-panel
[00:40] <jules_> oh, yeah
[00:40] <jules_> thanks :)
[00:41] <jules_> well
[00:41] <jules_> it's the same
[00:41] <jules_> no audio
[00:41] <knome> yeah
[00:41] <knome> i'm browsing through the forums
[00:42] <knome> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=90869
[00:42] <jules_> i think that i have not installed the ALSA apps correctly
[00:44] <knome> that's an old thread but there might be something useful if you're willing to read
[00:45] <knome> jules_, there's another: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=337276
[00:45] <jules_> ok, i'll give it a try
[00:46] <jules_> thanks!
[00:46] <knome> np
[00:49] <MTec007> when will firefox be upgraded to 3.5?
[00:49] <MTec007> i just tried to install firefox-3.5 but it wasnt the public release
[00:49] <knome> karmic at least, if not earlier. you might ask that from #ubuntu-devel or sth.
[00:49] <SiDi> MTec007: wait a little, it'll be here in 2 days max
[00:49] <slimjimflim> is there a way to just run x86 binaries on amd64?
[00:50] <MTec007> 2 days?
[00:50] <MTec007> why?
[00:50] <SiDi> MTec007: packaging time ? Q.Q
[00:50] <knome> slimjimflim, on a 32-bit subsystem, yes.
[00:50] <MTec007> it should not take that long
[00:50] <SiDi> MTec007: if you really can't wait, use the mozilla team's PPA on launchpad.net, i've got the 3.6 at the moment
[00:50] <slimjimflim> any other suggestions for 64bit?
[00:50] <knome> slimjimflim, but i would recommend building the package
[00:50] <slimjimflim> i'm having a lot of trouble building
[00:50] <knome> MTec007, people are volunteers...
[00:50] <slimjimflim> missing dependencies etc.
[00:51] <SiDi> MTec007: it takes that long to make sure it works out of the box on enough architectures before you let millions of people use it
[00:51] <slimjimflim> buggy config file
[00:51] <knome> slimjimflim, you need to install the -dev libs
[00:51] <SiDi> slimjimflim: what package is it ? will help much...
[00:51] <slimjimflim> can you be more specific?
[00:51] <MTec007> it should work, i tested the 3.5RC's
[00:51] <slimjimflim> hold on
[00:51] <MTec007> :(
[00:51] <knome> slimjimflim, if the dependency is libfoobar, you need to install libfoobar-dev in order to fill the dependency
[00:52] <slimjimflim> jpilot-picsnvideos_0.2-1_i386.deb
[00:52] <SiDi> MTec007: feel free to raise your concern to the Quality Assurance team people, but they might kick your ass ;) Usually things like that are NEVER inserted between two releases, so that's already a big thing they allow firefox 3.5 to land
[00:52] <slimjimflim> http://sourceforge.net/project/platformdownload.php?group_id=227672
[00:53] <slimjimflim> the dependency in question is gdbm-dev
[00:53] <MTec007> so your saying that they shouldnt upgrade it untill the next major version of xubuntu?
[00:53] <slimjimflim> which doesn't come up w/ apt-cache search
[00:53] <slimjimflim> i did install libgdbm-dev though
[00:53] <slimjimflim> but no dice
[00:53] <SiDi> MTec007: its how things work in Ubuntu.
[00:53] <SiDi> !sru
[00:53] <ubottu> Stable Release Update information is at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates
[00:53] <knome> !info libgdbm-dev
[00:53] <ubottu> libgdbm-dev (source: gdbm): GNU dbm database routines (development files). In component main, is optional. Version 1.8.3-4 (jaunty), package size 48 kB, installed size 172 kB
[00:54] <knome> slimjimflim, do you also have libgdbm3 installed?
[00:54] <MTec007> geeze. i guess ill have to download it and change my launchers
[00:54]  * slimjimflim checks
[00:55] <slimjimflim> knome: yea
[00:56] <SiDi> MTec007: is it SO hard to wait 1 or 2 days ? If so, as i already told you, you can use the Mozilla team's PPA which has daily builds : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-daily/+archive/ppa
[00:56] <slimjimflim> here's the source i'm using:
[00:56] <slimjimflim> http://sourceforge.net/project/downloading.php?group_id=227672&filename=jpilot-picsnvideos_0.2-1.tar.gz&a=32101995
[00:56] <slimjimflim> jpilot-picsnvideos_0.2-1.tar.gz
[00:57] <knome> slimjimflim, what's the error?
[00:57] <slimjimflim> configure: error: cannot run /bin/bash ./config.sub
[00:57] <slimjimflim> the file isn't in the dir
[01:01] <MTec007> k
[01:02] <slimjimflim> knome, i might be losing packets, did you just say something?
[01:03] <slimjimflim> idk if you can see this, but i'm reconnecting
[01:04] <knome> wait
[01:04] <slimjimflim> ok
[01:04] <knome> slimjimflim, copy config.sub and config.guess from /usr/share/misc/ to the build dir
[01:04] <knome> you can at least skip that error
[01:06] <slimjimflim> cool, i think it worked
[01:07] <slimjimflim> nope
[01:07] <knome> so what's the error now? ;>
[01:07] <slimjimflim> hold on
[01:09] <slimjimflim> no errors, but the plugin doesn't show up in jpilot
[01:09] <knome> did you "make" and "sudo make install" ?
[01:09] <slimjimflim> ya
[01:09] <knome> soundw weird.
[01:09] <knome> *sounds
[01:09] <knome> did you restart jpilot?
[01:10] <slimjimflim> ya
[01:11] <knome> hmm.
[01:11] <slimjimflim> lemme run jpilot from cli
[01:11] <knome> oaky
[01:11] <knome> *okay
[01:12] <slimjimflim> brb, i'm connected via phone, have to disconnect to sync
[01:12] <knome> np
[01:21] <slimjimflim> what a disaster, now it won't even sync
[01:22] <slimjimflim> bleh, i'm gonna make dinner, i'm famished
[01:23] <knome> ::)
[02:16] <jadez03> Anyone around?
[02:18] <Raggs> hi jadez03
[02:20] <jadez03> Hey there
[02:20] <jadez03> know anything about the audio in xubuntu?
[02:20] <jadez03> more specifically the audio panel applet and the media buttons on a laptop (like adjust volume)
[02:21] <jadez03> just switched to xubuntu from gnomebuntu and now they don't work, and also to adjust the volume you have to launch the mixer, which takes about 5 seconds, and is annoying if you adjust volume frequently
[02:23] <Raggs> jadez03, unfortunately I am not on my laptop atm
[02:24] <Raggs> in the middle of downloading xubuntu as well
[02:30] <jadez03> lol
[02:30] <jadez03> thanks anyways
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[03:21] <cody> is there anyone here?
[03:22] <cody> damn
[03:22] <forces> :O
[03:22] <cody> I installed xbuntu on my laptop
[03:22] <cody> now my ouse wont work
[03:22] <cody> *mouse
[03:22] <cody> no mouse will work
[03:23] <forces> usb?
[03:23] <cody> nope
[03:23] <forces> ps2?
[03:23] <cody> I think so
[03:23] <cody> the green cable?
[03:24] <forces> =.=
[03:24] <cody> its round
[03:24] <cody> sorry im noobish
[03:24] <forces> your keyboard is ps2 too?
[03:24] <forces> ps2 have 8 pins
[03:24] <forces> in a circle
[03:24] <cody> yes
[03:25] <cody> well its a laptop the keyboard is built in
[03:28] <jadez03> <forces> ps2?
[03:28] <jadez03> <cody> I think so
[03:28] <jadez03> <cody> the green cable?
[03:28] <jadez03> <forces> =.=
[03:28] <jadez03> LOL
[03:28] <forces> xD
[03:29] <forces> does your keyboard work in another O.S.?
[03:29] <cody> my keyboard works in this one
[03:30] <cody> its the mouse
[03:30] <forces> :O
[03:30] <forces> the trackpad?
[03:31] <cody> no that didnt even work when I had windows
[03:31] <cody> its a ps2 mouse
[03:32] <forces> so the problem is not the software
[03:32] <forces> could be a hardware problem
[03:33] <cody> the mouse I had before worked
[03:33] <cody> that one died
[03:34] <cody> and ive tried 3-4 mice
[03:35] <forces> maybe the port is bad
[03:35] <forces> try with a usb mouse
[03:36] <cody> I have
[03:39] <cody> I think im just going to go with XP again
[03:42] <forces> ok good luck with virus and cracks
[03:42] <seevee> What would the command look like for copying files from local to ssh server?
[03:46] <jadez03> man, cody has BAD mouse luck apparently
[03:47] <forces> yes
[03:47] <forces> but he choose windows than a new mouse
[03:49] <jadez03> funny, under *buntu i have much better (and faster to boot) mouse support than under vista or xp
[04:12] <jadez03> anyone familiar with python?
[04:25] <jadez03> man its easy to get ignored here from people being away, but in #ubuntu you just get lost in a sea of questions
[04:58] <yesitisjustme> when trying to install googleearth it freezes and turns black anyone know what could be the problem?
[06:22] <tmurase> what is music player of choice for xfce?
[07:10] <R1cochet> i used to use audacious but prefer exaile myself
[07:10] <R1cochet> though i havent tried many of the others
[10:00] <mikubuntu> hey guys, this is prolly a stupid question, so feel free to give a stupid answer ... haha ... can i download an .rpm file of kompozer?
[10:01] <mikubuntu> http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=170132&package_id=194013&release_id=682029 doesn't seem to have a deb version listed
[10:02] <knome> mikubuntu, you can use rpm, but you have to convert it to deb if you want to install it
[10:02] <knome> !info alien
[10:02] <ubottu> alien (source: alien): convert and install rpm and other packages. In component main, is optional. Version 8.73 (jaunty), package size 104 kB, installed size 276 kB
[10:03] <SiDi> knome: mikubuntu: i seriously dont recommand using alien
[10:03] <mikubuntu> oh, my.  ok, so i get 'alien' from synaptic?
[10:03] <SiDi> its said to produce bad debs
[10:03] <knome> SiDi, the question was "can i" :P
[10:03] <knome> you always can try
[10:03] <mikubuntu> sidi, oops
[10:03] <knome> the other option is building from source, which is a bit more complex operation
[10:03] <mikubuntu> out of my league, you might have guessed
[10:04] <SiDi> mikubuntu: you should download the source and compile it :)
[10:04] <mikubuntu> what about running windows version in wine?
[10:04] <knome> building from source is not the first thing i suggest to anyone
[10:04] <SiDi> native version is better usually :p
[10:04] <SiDi> its not _that_ hard
[10:04] <mikubuntu> i don't even know what COMPILING means!
[10:04] <SiDi> you just pick it, extract it, open the INSTALL file and follow the instructions
[10:04] <SiDi> it means turning the source code into the executable file that you'll use
[10:04] <knome> mikubuntu, don't worry, SiDi will walk you through compiling
[10:05] <SiDi> a deb package contains this executable file
[10:05] <mikubuntu> hahaha, knome is volunteering sidi
[10:05] <SiDi> mikubuntu: :D
[10:05] <knome> well he's the one suggesting it and not even try alien first
[10:06] <mikubuntu> alien sounds like it would be a good thing, if it were a good thing
[10:06] <SiDi> dont do stuff with aliens, knome  :p
[10:06] <knome> trying doesn't cost anything
[10:06] <mikubuntu> but if its not a good thing ...
[10:06] <knome> even if it produced bad deb, it just doesn't work and you can forget it and start building
[10:06] <SiDi> knome: it can cost a bad deb package that puts files in wrong locations and that you then have to remove ^.^
[10:06] <SiDi> or bad dependency tracking
[10:07] <knome> SiDi, they still won't break your system
[10:07] <SiDi> ah, who knows :P
[10:07] <mikubuntu> nothing can break linux
[10:07] <knome> SiDi, wel... you can always fix it
[10:07] <SiDi> hah, many things can, mikubuntu :)
[10:07] <knome> like i've done
[10:07] <mikubuntu> haha, ya, i know
[10:08] <mikubuntu> i once thought i'd try kde, and i din't like it, so i went to synaptic and uninstalled every program that started with a k.  that broke linux.
[10:08] <knome> SiDi, i've not done a fresh install since 6.10 and i've had the dependencies broken for *many* times
[10:08] <knome> SiDi, and i've even used betas ;)
[10:09] <knome> mikubuntu, lol, that was a bit harsh ;)
[10:09] <mikubuntu> ok, sidi, so are you really going to teach me to compile?
[10:09] <brainthunk> hi which one is faster xubuntu or kubuntu?
[10:09] <knome> brainthunk, xubuntu.
[10:09] <mikubuntu> xubuntu
[10:09] <SiDi> mikubuntu: actually, just extract that thing, and execute bin/kompoze
[10:09] <mikubuntu> fluxbuntu
[10:09] <SiDi> its already compiled for you :p
[10:10] <SiDi> mikubuntu: fluxbuntu comes with a WM, not with a DE </troll>
[10:10] <SiDi> knome: do you know what kompozer is ? A damn WYSIWYG html editor
[10:10] <mikubuntu> i don't understand.
[10:10] <knome> SiDi, nope.
[10:10] <knome> mikubuntu, it seems that the package is compiled, even if you download the "source"
[10:11] <mikubuntu> sidi, which file? http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=170132&package_id=194013&release_id=682029
[10:11] <knome> mikubuntu, so you only have to run it, you don't have to compile/build it to use it
[10:11] <SiDi> mikubuntu: the one for your architecture \o/
[10:11] <SiDi> knome: i'm helping someone to install a WYSIWYG editor :|
[10:11] <knome> SiDi, gedit is a good (x)html editor...
[10:11] <SiDi> knome: indeed.
[10:11] <SiDi> knome: my preference goes to npp (windows FOSS app) though
[10:12] <mikubuntu> sidi, usually the apps i get are for i386
[10:12] <SiDi>  	kompozer-0.8a4-gcc4.2-i686.tar.gz    should be the one if you have a 32bit architecture
[10:12] <mikubuntu> but the only one like that is rpm
[10:12] <SiDi> take the i686
[10:13] <knome> SiDi, *windows*?
[10:13] <SiDi> knome: yeh...
[10:13] <knome> dang.
[10:13] <knome> ;)
[10:13] <SiDi> they didnt have linux at work \o/
[10:13] <knome> install one then
[10:13] <knome> never been a problem
[10:13] <SiDi> was either windows or macos... seeing macos's usability definition, the choice has been fast
[10:14] <SiDi> my boss would have made an infarctus
[10:14] <mikubuntu> ok, its downloading will take a few mins on this slow connection
[10:14] <SiDi> i already made them switch from IE to firefox and it took me 3 months knome
[10:14] <knome> i've broken several workplace it norms ;)
[10:14] <SiDi> mikubuntu: why why WHY do you want a WYSIWYG editor ? :(
[10:14] <mikubuntu> it's downloading with archive manager
[10:15] <mikubuntu> cause i'm not a coder
[10:16] <SiDi> mikubuntu: still
[10:16] <SiDi> html is easy to learn
[10:16] <mikubuntu> grabbed a free template to make my friends website www.kikesplace.net a little more attractive
[10:16] <SiDi> WYSIWYG editors make you write really really bad things
[10:16] <mikubuntu> like what?  this is going to be a one page site with nothing fancy
[10:17] <mikubuntu> just address, pix, phone numbers, and email
[10:17] <SiDi> mikubuntu: like <style> inside html, tables everywhere
[10:17] <mikubuntu> i know, but im NOt a coder ...
[10:17] <SiDi> its not hard to learn at all mikubuntu
[10:17] <SiDi> just learn the very basics and you'll be done in an afternoon
[10:18] <SiDi> i can even help you if you want
[10:18] <mikubuntu> <BS>, er, i mean <BR> hahaha
[10:18] <SiDi> <BR> is so bad...
[10:18] <SiDi> its <br />, and there is almost no valide reason to use a <br /> :P
[10:18] <mikubuntu> ok, archive manager just poppd up, what do i do?
[10:18] <SiDi> you extract the bin folder to wherever you want
[10:18] <SiDi> the executable file is inside it
[10:20] <mikubuntu> so i clickd on the /kompozer-0.8a4/ file and theres a bunch of subfiles, one is kompozer-bin
[10:21] <mikubuntu> how/where do i extract it?
[10:21] <mikubuntu> is that the right one?
[10:21] <mikubuntu> kompozer-bin?
[10:23] <mikubuntu> i don't know where or how to extract it
[10:24] <mikubuntu> sidi, hhheeeeelllllpppp
[10:24] <SiDi> extract everything somewhere
[10:24] <SiDi> in a folder which name you like
[10:24] <SiDi> and then, double click the file named "kompozer"
[10:24] <mikubuntu> i don't know where?  where is the logical place and name?
[10:25] <mikubuntu> everything, or just the kompozer-bin file?
[10:26] <SiDi> you put everything in the archive, wherever you want
[10:26] <SiDi>  /home/yourname/myfolderwhereiwannaputkompozer/ extract here !
[10:29] <mikubuntu> but i mean isn't there a logical place for it?  i mean i wouldn't put it on the desktop, or in documents, or pictures ... or videos, i don't KNOW wehre i should put it
[10:29] <mikubuntu> can you tell me where to put it :0
[10:29] <mikubuntu> hahaha
[10:30] <mikubuntu> really , i don't know wehre
[10:30] <mikubuntu> where
[10:33] <mikubuntu> i go have smoke ...
=== Laibsch1 is now known as Laibsch
[10:44] <mikubuntu> sidi, i realized something when i was smoking.  this is an alpha package, because the kompozer i got from synaptic keeps crashing, but the developer says on the webpage that the alpha is better on linux... so, should i be looking for the old kompozer and overwriting it?
[10:50] <mikubuntu> i found two files in /usr/bin , one is kompozer, and the other is kompozer-config ... should i extract to one of those?  and leave the box checked that says overwrite existing files?
[10:53] <SiDi> mikubuntu: im back
[10:53] <mikubuntu> k, i freaking out
[10:53] <SiDi> mikubuntu: there is no logical place, no. Thats the principle of "portable" apps
[10:53] <mikubuntu> sidi, i realized something when i was smoking.  this is an alpha package, because the kompozer i got from synaptic keeps crashing, but the developer says on the webpage that the alpha is better on linux... so, should i be looking for the old kompozer and overwriting it?
[10:53] <mikubuntu> i found two files in /usr/bin , one is kompozer, and the other is kompozer-config ... should i extract to one of those?  and leave the box checked that says overwrite existing files?
[10:53] <SiDi> mikubuntu: you're not going to overwrite anything
[10:53] <SiDi> yeh i read you already
[10:54] <mikubuntu> now the archive manager is frozen
[10:54] <SiDi> you're going to extract it in a place that is in your home. something like /home/yourname/.kompozer/
[10:54] <SiDi> if you really dont wanna see it all the time
[10:55] <mikubuntu> well, i don't know what to do now, cause the window is frozen
[10:55] <SiDi> then you add a .desktop shortcut (get the /usr/share/applications/whatever.desktop, copy it to .local/share/applications/mykompozer.desktop and change the values inside so that you have a nice menu entry to your custom kompozer)
[10:55] <SiDi> hey, its an alpha
[10:55] <SiDi> and its a k app, too
[10:55] <mikubuntu> it wont' cancel
[10:55] <mikubuntu> wont close
[10:55] <SiDi> and its a WYSIWYG editor, anyway \o/
[10:55] <knome> SiDi, "the archive manager" ?
[10:55] <SiDi> knome: oh
[10:56] <knome> start reading ;)
[10:56]  * SiDi should drink more coffee.
[10:56] <SiDi> mikubuntu: kill the archive manager, and in firefox's downloaded files window, double click on kompozer it'll reopen the archive
[10:59] <mikubuntu>  cant kill it, i tried xkill and it din't kill it
[10:59] <knome> sudo kill -s kill [pid]
[11:00] <mikubuntu> don't know that one, is it sudo kill -s kill [archive manager]  ?
[11:00] <knome> no, pid is the process id
[11:00] <SiDi> pkill file-roller
[11:00] <SiDi> actually :p
[11:01] <knome> SiDi, :P
[11:01] <knome> SiDi, alternative ways
[11:01] <mikubuntu> ok, still don't understand
[11:01] <SiDi> there are weird things going on in mikubuntu 's computer
[11:01] <knome> heh
[11:02]  * mikubuntu wonders if its in the computer or in the brain
[11:02] <knome> maybe both
[11:02] <mikubuntu> so what is the exact command?
[11:02] <knome> 'pkill file-roller'
[11:02] <mikubuntu> sudo?
[11:03] <knome> SiDi, ? :P
[11:03] <jadez03> sudo get me a sandwhich
[11:03] <jadez03> or gksudo get me a vodka martini
[11:03] <mikubuntu> ok, killed
[11:03] <SiDi> no sudo
[11:03] <knome> jadez03, your username doesn't appear in the sudoers file. this incident will be reported to the system administrator.
[11:03] <SiDi> jadez03: you're not a sudoer
[11:04] <knome> a related np: Embrace / I Want the World
[11:04] <jadez03> damn you all
[11:04] <jadez03> i just want to get drunk and eat =
[11:04] <SiDi> mikubuntu: you're on a i386 pc, right ?
[11:04] <jadez03> =\* lol
[11:05] <knome> jadez03, you need sudo rights to use the command 'damn'
[11:05]  * jadez03 explodes
[11:05] <knome> *puff*
[11:05] <mikubuntu> sidi, got the file back up from the download window  .... what nex?
[11:05] <SiDi> Usage : explode [options] intensity - missing parameter
[11:06] <SiDi> mikubuntu: put it wherever you want :D it seriously doesnt matter, you'll probably have a deb sooner or later and install that deb
[11:06] <knome> mikubuntu, extract it to /home/yourusername/.kompoze
[11:07] <knome> !patience | SiDi
[11:07] <ubottu> SiDi: Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search  https://help.ubuntu.com or http://ubuntuforums.org while you wait.
[11:07] <knome> ;>
[11:07] <jadez03> ./explode -blood -gore 9001
[11:07] <knome> jadez03, explode: unknown option -blood. use --help to see help.
[11:07] <SiDi> !i_already_told_him_to_put_it_there | knome
[11:07] <ubottu> Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[11:07] <knome> SiDi, haha. pwned :)
[11:08] <jadez03> :(
[11:08] <mikubuntu> knome, ok, so that file doesn't exist, i have to 'create folder'?
[11:08] <SiDi> mikubuntu: yeh
[11:09] <knome> mikubuntu, yes, create the folder and then extract the package there.
[11:11] <mikubuntu> doesn't seem to have created a folder
[11:11] <knome> mikubuntu, folders or files beginning with . are "hidden"
[11:11] <knome> mikubuntu, they don't show up by default, so it's ok, you wouldn't see it
[11:11] <mikubuntu> i thought the . was a mistake
[11:12] <knome> mikubuntu, press ctrl+h to see the hidden files in a folder
[11:12] <mikubuntu> i hit create folder, then i put /kompozer
[11:12] <knome> do not add the /
[11:12] <mikubuntu> do you see why i am asking for exact instruction, i am not familiar with procedure
[11:12] <knome> just "kompozer" or as i suggested ".kompozer"
[11:13] <knome> that way you don't see the folder all the time
[11:13] <knome> (because you don't have to) :)
[11:13] <lean2501> it looks like i dont have /var/log/everything.log... how can i have it? :)
[11:13] <knome> sorry, just ask for more specific instructions if you don't understand something
[11:13] <knome> lean2501, "everything.log" ?
[11:13] <lean2501> yes
[11:14] <knome> what is that supposed to include?
[11:14] <lean2501> i used arch linux before xubuntu, and it has that everything.log
[11:14] <lean2501> every other logs
[11:14] <knome> ubuntu does not have everything.log
[11:14] <lean2501> ah :(
[11:14] <lean2501> so if i want to view things like a mounted usb or things like that, i need messages.log?
[11:15] <mikubuntu> ok, it seems to have made a file .kompozer
[11:15] <SiDi> lean2501: the person that asked for everything probably meant every file in /var/log ;)
[11:15] <mikubuntu> how do i know if it extracted there yet?
[11:15] <lean2501> SiDi: mmm dont understand :P
[11:19] <lean2501> well, i asked in #archlinux and it seems it's distro-specific log, not an standard log, so i'll use messages.log :) insted
[11:21] <mikubuntu> omg.  it's running.  thanks knome and sidi
[11:22] <knome> mikubuntu, no problem
[11:22] <SiDi> mikubuntu: no problem :)
[11:22] <knome> lean2501, no problem.
[11:27] <mikubuntu> yes, problem... arrrrgggghhhh
[11:27] <mikubuntu> now i can't find the templates folder that was there before
[11:28] <SiDi> contact the kompozer devs for that :P We can't help you much
[11:29] <Laibsch> I have /tmp mounted as tmpfs on my long-running LAN server.  df says that 115MB are taken, while find, du, baobab and just about every other tool can only find 14MB of that http://paste.debian.net/40730/  Where are the remaining 100MB?  I need to make a bit of room.
[11:31] <tavasti> Laibsch, some program creates file, opens it, and then removes it while open. That program can still use that file, and file disappears after program closes
[11:31] <mikubuntu> sidi, ok i found it, before i pulled up the hidden files it was up top, now down at the bottom, how do i hide the hidden files?
[11:31] <tavasti> and nobody else can see it
[11:31] <Laibsch> tavasti: not even root?
[11:31] <tavasti> cannot see it on filesystem
[11:31] <Laibsch> OK
[11:32] <Laibsch> How do I find out which program that might be?
[11:32] <tavasti> with 'fuser -mv /tmp' you may see processe which use /tmp
[11:34] <SiDi> mikubuntu: ctrl+h
[11:34] <Laibsch> What is gconfd-2?  It looks like a candidate
[11:35] <knome> Laibsch, it's a gnome... configuration tool
[11:35] <knome> ...daemon
[11:35] <knome> ...two
[11:35] <knome> ;)
[11:35] <Laibsch> Can I restart it?
[11:35] <knome> suppose you can.
[11:35]  * Laibsch looks in /etc/init.d
[11:36] <Laibsch> I stopped gdm
[11:36] <Laibsch> usage of /tmp has not budged
[11:37] <Laibsch> fuser gives me bash, mysql and this gconf thing
[11:37] <Laibsch> I restarted mysql, stopped gdm and am looking into bash right now
[11:49] <Laibsch> I brute-forced a solution now ;-)
[11:49] <Laibsch> Thanks, knome and tavasti
[11:50] <knome> Laibsch, no problem.
[12:06] <mib486> im installing xubuntu, and at some point it says "Debootstrap Error" Release Codename impossible to establish
[12:06] <mib486> what does that mean?
[12:07] <SiDi> mib486: please check that your CD is well burnt
[12:07] <SiDi> There is such an option at thebeginning of the LiveCD "Check disc integrity"
[12:07] <mib486> but is the one ive already used
[12:07] <SiDi> hm
[12:07] <mib486> and it worked on the other pc
[12:07] <mib486> could it be it got damaged in 2 mins?
[12:09] <SiDi> I dont think so
[12:09] <SiDi> Google says either its badly burnt or the driver is having problems reading it
[12:22] <mib486> i just checked it, it says its a valid cd rom
[12:35] <mozbuntu> can anyone \help with a new Xbuntu install ?
[12:36] <mozbuntu> am I in the right irc channel ?
[12:36] <ablomen> mozbuntu, yeah you are :)
[12:36] <ablomen> ask away
[12:38] <mozbuntu> thanks .. i perfromed an xbuntu install on an old machine that ran [windows ] . it seemdto go ok.. i restarted PC as per install recommendation and ...I got an arror
[12:38] <mozbuntu> "Io APIC resources couldnot be allocated "  follwed by some more text
[12:38] <mozbuntu> *arror= error
[12:39] <mozbuntu> Io = IO
[12:39] <SiDi> When you booted on the liveCD, it was working ok ?
[12:39] <mozbuntu> the machine ran on windows ok , just slow
[12:39] <mozbuntu> 866mhz machine with 1.5 Gig memory ram
[12:40] <mozbuntu> pentium3
[12:40] <SiDi> I suspect your computer doesnt support APIC
[12:40] <SiDi> ok, please boot on the LiveCD then
[12:40] <mozbuntu> ok..not sure what APIC is :-(
[12:40] <mozbuntu> ok i can boot from xubuntu 9.04?
[12:40] <mozbuntu> cd?
[12:41] <SiDi> Yes
[12:41] <mozbuntu> ok trying that now
[12:41] <SiDi> mozbuntu: we will modify the way your fresh Xubuntu install boots, to tell it to ignore APIC
[12:41] <SiDi> APIC is some processor stuff, but the Pentium 3 are likely too old to have it
[12:42] <SiDi> Tell me when it's booted
[12:43] <mozbuntu> booting now
[12:43] <mozbuntu> 1min
[12:44] <mozbuntu> ok i see the main menu and its booted .. i have the options F1,2,34 ... installXbuntu option etc
[12:44] <mozbuntu> check disk for errors ..
[12:44] <mozbuntu> test memory etc
[12:45] <SiDi> It's a LiveCD or Alternate CD ?
[12:45] <mozbuntu> Im not sure .. how can I tell
[12:45] <SiDi> (if you dont know then its a liveCD)
[12:45] <SiDi> The first option is "try Xubuntu" ?
[12:45] <mozbuntu> I used it to install into 2 other machines without hivkup
[12:45] <mozbuntu> hickup
[12:46] <mozbuntu> no ..there is no "try Xubuntu"
[12:46] <mozbuntu> the first option is " install Xubuntu"
[12:46] <SiDi> When you installed, it was a text-based install, or with pretty windows ?
[12:46] <mozbuntu> it was text based
[12:46] <SiDi> ok then it's the Alternate CD.
[12:46] <SiDi> Please press Ctrl + Alt + F1 on your keyboard
[12:46] <mozbuntu> I didnt realise there were two types
[12:47] <mozbuntu> 3
[12:47] <mozbuntu> on the installation machine ?
[12:47] <SiDi> From the CD's menu
[12:47] <SiDi> This isthe shortcut to go to the console
[12:48] <mozbuntu> doesnt seem to do anything
[12:48] <mozbuntu> there are 6 x function options below
[12:48] <mozbuntu> F keys
[12:49] <SiDi> ok, F6 then
[12:49] <SiDi> tell me whats in the menu :)
[12:49] <mozbuntu> keymaps
[12:50] <mozbuntu> language
[12:50] <mozbuntu> there doesnt seem to be terminal mode
[12:50] <SiDi> ok
[12:51] <SiDi> Do you have "Rescue a broken system ?"
[12:51] <mozbuntu> i installed the xubuntu and it didnt seem to complain .. except i rebooted from harddiosk
[12:51] <mozbuntu> yes i do have rescue broken system optin
[12:51] <mozbuntu> select ?
[12:52] <mozbuntu> i started it and it seems to check components
[12:52] <SiDi> Yes please
[12:53] <mozbuntu> i see io apic error in that list
[12:53] <SiDi> Ah, interesting
[12:53] <mozbuntu> it doesnt seem to recognise the floopy either
[12:53] <mozbuntu> and then seem tos go into text installation mode again
[12:53] <mozbuntu> 3
[12:53] <SiDi> Does it offer you any option to fix it ? I never used that thing
[12:53] <mozbuntu> yes im trying it now
[12:54] <mozbuntu> seeing what happens
[12:54] <mozbuntu> I thought Xubuntu was most suitable for older machines
[12:54] <mozbuntu> GVXc7-4X motherboard
[12:56] <mozbuntu> Ill be back .. i need to log off gfor a minute
[12:58] <mozbuntu1> back
[12:58] <mozbuntu1> any luck ?
[12:58] <mozbuntu1> any ideas ?
[12:59] <SiDi> Doesnt the installer offer you an option to fix this ?
[12:59] <mozbuntu1> well it  now hasd me in a terminal type environment
[12:59] <mozbuntu1> awaiting commands
[13:00] <mib486> in order to disable the APIC u should in the very first install menu select "advanced options" if im not wrong with f6 and then disable the APIC
[13:00] <SiDi> What you need to do anyway is to add "noapic nolapic" in the defoptions and altoptions lines of your /boot/grub/menu.lst (and to the already present boot lines) but you need a damn console to acceed this file
[13:00] <SiDi> ok great
[13:00] <SiDi> sudo fdisk -l (its a L) please
[13:00] <SiDi> and tell me the number of the parittion where you installed xubuntu
[13:03] <mozbuntu1> dev/sda/1 =
[13:03] <SiDi> okies
[13:03] <SiDi> then type this please : "sudo mkdir /media/xubuntu && sudo mount /dev/sda1 /media/xubuntu && cd /media/xubuntu/boot/grub"
[13:04] <mozbuntu1> x
[13:04] <SiDi> and then sudo nano menu.lst :D
[13:04] <mozbuntu1> "/dev/sda1 = linux
[13:04] <mozbuntu1> sda2 = ext
[13:04] <mozbuntu1> sda5 = swap
[13:05] <SiDi> type the command above
[13:05] <SiDi> and tell me if the last one works (the "cd" part)
[13:05] <mozbuntu1> ok
[13:10] <mozbuntu1> i assume space before and after &&
[13:11] <mozbuntu1> it looks like 3 commands correct ?
[13:12] <mozbuntu1> is the && at the end or begining ?
[13:12] <mozbuntu1> i am switching between two computers and one screen so thats a full command sequence
[13:12] <mozbuntu1> can i type it in three sections
[13:13] <mozbuntu1> sudo mkdir /media/xubuntu &&
[13:13] <mozbuntu1> sudo mount /dev/sda1 /media/xubuntu &&
[13:13] <mozbuntu1> cd /media/xubuntu/boot/grub
[13:13] <mozbuntu1> ?
[13:16] <SiDi> oh sorry
[13:16] <SiDi> you can
[13:17] <SiDi> type sudo mkdir /media/xubuntu
[13:17] <SiDi> then enter
[13:17] <mozbuntu1> "unable to resolve host xubuntu"
[13:17] <SiDi> then the next one, enter
[13:17] <SiDi> which one does this ?
[13:17] <mozbuntu1> "cannot creat directory /media/xubuntu : File exists "
[13:18] <mozbuntu1> I typed the whol thing as per what u said
[13:18] <mozbuntu1> above are the two replies
[13:18] <SiDi> ok
[13:18] <SiDi> type now : sudo mount /dev/sda1  /media/xubuntu
[13:19] <mozbuntu1> ok
[13:19] <mozbuntu1> 3
[13:22] <mozbuntu1> says command not found
[13:23] <mozbuntu1> "unable to resolve host xubuntu"
[13:23] <mozbuntu1> correction
[13:23] <mozbuntu1> unable to resolve host ubuntu
[13:25] <SiDi> it doesnt make sense
[13:25] <SiDi> can you do : cd /media
[13:25] <SiDi> and type "ls"
[13:25] <mozbuntu1> can we do something more basic
[13:25] <mozbuntu1> ok
[13:26] <mozbuntu1> "not found "
[13:27] <mozbuntu1> /bin/sh : cd/media : not found
[13:27] <mozbuntu1> 3
[13:27] <mozbuntu1> its not seeingthe cd ?
[13:28] <mozbuntu1> can we have a look at the drive sda1?
[13:28] <SiDi> ok
[13:28] <SiDi> thats annoying
[13:29] <SiDi> cd /media not cd/media
[13:29] <mozbuntu1> it must have been ok because it installed the xubuntu os
[13:29] <mozbuntu1> oh cd ^ /media
[13:30] <SiDi> the install is successful, it just cant boot because your processor doesnt like APIC
[13:30] <SiDi> thats funny because APIC comes from Intel, and your Pentium too...
[13:30] <SiDi> now that you're in /media, type "ls" please
[13:30] <mozbuntu1> 3
[13:31] <mozbuntu1> "cdrom cdrom0 flopy flloppy0 xubuntu
[13:31] <mozbuntu1> i perforemd a ls
[13:31] <mozbuntu1> performed
[13:31] <SiDi> ok
[13:31] <mozbuntu1> result above : cdrom cdrom0 flopy flloppy0 xubuntu
[13:31] <SiDi> cd xubuntu ;)
[13:32] <SiDi> now, tell me if "cd boot" works
[13:32] <SiDi> (cd is the command to _c_hange _d_irectory)
[13:32] <mozbuntu1> no
[13:32] <SiDi> ok
[13:32] <SiDi> type "ls" please
[13:32] <SiDi> and tell me what you see
[13:33] <mozbuntu1> "cant cd to boot"
[13:33] <mozbuntu1> cd xubuntu works
[13:33] <mozbuntu1> but cd boot ..says cant cd to boot
[13:34] <SiDi> I understood.
[13:34] <SiDi> type "ls" please
[13:36] <SiDi> Alright, nevermind the ls, type this _exactly_ : "cd / && sudo umount /media/xubuntu && sudo mount /dev/sda2 /media/xubuntu && cd /media/xubuntu && ls"
[13:36] <SiDi> and tell me if you see boot among the output of the last command
[13:38] <SiDi> if you see the word "boot" it means we're in the system partition, so you'll then do : "nano boot/grub/menu.lst"
[13:38] <SiDi> normally a text editor will pop-up, with a NON-empty file
[13:39] <SiDi> in this file, search for : # defoptions= .... and add "noapic nolapic"
[13:39] <SiDi> then search for : # altoptions=(recovery mode) single and add "noapic nolapic" to the end of this line too
[13:39] <SiDi> then, go to the bottom of the file, there are series of lines beginning respectively with "title", "root", "kernel", and "initrd"
[13:40] <SiDi> add "noapic nolapic" to all these lines beginning with "kernel"
[13:40] <SiDi> then Ctrl + O to save, Ctrl + X to quit
[13:40] <SiDi> then you can reboot the computer and remove the CD
[13:40] <SiDi> and your computer will work like a charm
[14:03] <mozbuntu1> anyone can help me with a Xubuntu situation
[14:04] <mozbuntu1> ?
[14:05] <knome> !ask | mozbuntu1
[14:05] <ubottu> mozbuntu1: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-)
[14:07] <mozbuntu1> SiDi just helped me try and edit grub lst file to ignore APIC  but on completing the pc says NTRloader missing ... hit cntrl alt del . What have I done ?
[14:08] <knome> that sounds like a windows issue.
[14:09] <mozbuntu1> knome .. i perfromed an xbuntu install on an old machine that ran [windows ] . it seemdto go ok.. i restarted PC as per install recommendation and ...I got an arror
[14:09] <mozbuntu1> (21:38:47) mozbuntu: "Io APIC resources couldnot be allocated "  follwed by some more text
[14:09] <knome> mozbuntu1, i can read your conversation
[14:09] <knome> i somewhat know what you've been doing
[14:10] <knome> but the nt(r?)loader sounds like a windows issue.
[14:10] <mozbuntu1> sidi : made me edit the menu.lst file and after that i had the reboot issue
[14:10] <mozbuntu1> ok .. well xubuntu was loaded onto the machine and wiped all windows as far as i can tell ..
[14:10] <mozbuntu1> maybe its trying to boot off the otrher hard drive as there are two
[14:11] <mozbuntu1> mayber my boot order is wrong
[14:12] <mozbuntu1> im testing that now
[14:13] <mozbuntu1> ok so far so good
[14:13] <mozbuntu1> it was booting off drive 1 not drive 2
[14:13] <mozbuntu1> waiting to see if i fixed the no APIC situation
[14:14] <mozbuntu1> ccc
[14:16] <mozbuntu1> knome it boots but has same io apic error can u help me find that menu.lst file again
[14:16] <mozbuntu1> i have a prompt (initramfs)
[14:16] <mozbuntu1> is this terminal mode ?
[14:17] <mozbuntu1> cd root
[14:17] <knome> mozbuntu1, http://paste.ubuntu.com/207506/
[14:19] <mozbuntu1> thanks .. its says sudo not found
[14:19] <mozbuntu1> when i try it
[14:19] <mozbuntu1> the prompt is one i never have seen
[14:19] <mozbuntu1> (initramfs)
[14:19] <mozbuntu1> do i need to change user type ??
[14:20] <mozbuntu1> im not experienced enough to know
[14:20] <mozbuntu1> from the xubuntu 9.04 cd can i goo into terminal mode ?
[14:21] <mozbuntu1> its a non live cd
[14:26] <jpbaao_> when trying to run LveCD, it hangs just after the splash screen. I installed using the alternate CD and it does the same.
[14:28] <jpbaao_> Killing splash shows it hangs on init: ttyx main process terminated with status 225
[14:32] <jpbaao_> it also includes the line "unable to execute '/sbin/getty' for tty1 no such file found"
[14:40] <knome> mozbuntu1, ctrl+alt+f1
=== SiDi_ is now known as SiDi
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[16:33] <michauk_> hi there, for an asus eeePC 1000*, which xubuntu would you recommand? the official one? something customized for this notebook? thank you
[16:33] <michauk_> I saw eeexubuntu, but it seems to be very old (end of 2007)
[16:34] <sowmithry> hi
[16:37] <sowmithry> hi
[16:38] <R1coch3t> hi hi
[16:41] <forces> michauk_, try the official
[16:45] <sowmithry> I am unable to set user specific envinorment variables
[16:58] <michauk_> forces: ok, no need to optimize anything, due to the hardware specif. of this notebook?
[17:03] <forces> michauk_, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EeePC
[17:03] <forces> !eeepc
[17:03] <ubottu> Information about installing Ubuntu on an Asus EeePC can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EeePC
[17:03] <forces> !eeepc | michauk_
[17:03] <ubottu> michauk_: please see above
[17:06] <cemunal> hi
[17:07] <cemunal> can i install nvidia driver without jockey?
[17:08] <cemunal> i use hardy
[17:11] <forces> what is jockey?
[17:13] <michauk_> thank you, i'll check this
[17:13] <michauk_> bye
[18:17] <Shmeck> hi there
[18:19] <Shmeck> i'm having difficulty using python w/ xubuntu
[18:19] <Shmeck> I downloaded the PIL (Imaging Library) as an all platform version needed to be built
[18:20] <Shmeck> I am clueless at this point
[18:20] <Shmeck> I understood I don't have the python packages needed for building
[18:22] <SiDi> Shmeck: what do you wanna do exactly ?
[18:23] <SiDi> Shmeck: python-imaging is what you need and is in the repositories, i dont understand why you want to install another version
[18:23] <Shmeck> well, I'm used to PIL from windows
[18:23] <Shmeck> :)
[18:25] <SiDi> you're on linux ;)
[18:26] <SiDi> you dont download libs from everywhere, you use those that are available in the repositories
[18:26] <SiDi> avoids headaches
[18:26] <Shmeck> that fact is beginning to settle soen
[18:26] <Shmeck> that fact is beginning to settle down
[18:27] <Shmeck> anyway, it's a reminder that I have'nt yet built anything in linux
[18:27] <Shmeck> and I absolutly have no idea where to start, is the any piece of literature you could point me to?
[18:27] <SiDi> sure
[18:28] <SiDi> you could cross read this http://docs.python.org/tutorial/
[18:28] <SiDi> i dont know how you were doing in windows
[18:28] <SiDi> basically for python apps its not difficult
[18:29] <SiDi> you add #!/usb/bin/python to the first line (it'll tell bash which interpreter should be called when you execute the file)
[18:29] <SiDi> and then you make sure its executable (chmod +x filename)
[18:29] <SiDi> you write your code
[18:29] <SiDi> and you execute it : ./appname
[18:31] <Shmeck> great
[18:32] <SiDi> http://paste.ubuntu.com/207640/
[18:32] <SiDi> something like that :p
[18:32] <SiDi> if you need a lib, install it (python-imaging in your case), and then import imaging (i suppose its the name :p)
[18:34] <Shmeck> (it's Image BTW)
[18:34] <Shmeck> thanks :)
[18:44] <SiDi> you're welcome Shmeck
[18:50] <Shmeck> noob question, if using windows I'd write something like this "new_img.save("c:\\a.bmp") ", what is the equivalent in linux?
[18:50] <Shmeck> nothing seems to work
[18:50] <SiDi> trop new_img.save("/tmp/a.bmp") ?
[18:52] <Shmeck> /tmp//a.bmp was ok
[18:52] <Shmeck> sorry
[18:52] <Shmeck> "//tmp//a.tmp"
[18:53] <SiDi> s/trop/try
[18:53] <SiDi> i never manipulated files in python :|
[18:53] <Shmeck> but //home//username//desktop//a.bmp doesn't
[18:55] <Shmeck> oh, it's Desktop and not desktop
[18:55] <Shmeck> :P
[18:58] <SiDi> :)
[18:58] <SiDi> there should be better ways to manipulate files
[18:59] <SiDi> you should ask in python :P
[18:59] <SiDi> how to get the path of ~, and how to check if a folder exists
[19:01] <Shmeck> thanks SiDi :)
[19:05] <SiDi> in #python *
[19:05] <SiDi> really, i'm having typing trouble tonight
[20:36] <khems> Hi, I need help on canadian keyboard issue
[20:37] <khems> Anyone who can help me in resolving one of key issue in canadian keyboard
[20:41] <SiDi> khems: œ i suppose ?
[20:42] <khems> thanks Sidi
[20:42] <SiDi> if its that one, then i dont know.
[20:42] <SiDi> i suppose you were the one on the development ML
[20:42] <khems> oh yes
[20:43] <khems> I had sent mail yesterday
[20:43] <khems> did you get that mail
[20:43] <SiDi> did you contact the xkb devs ?
[20:43] <khems> I don't know how to contact them
[20:43] <khems> I am trying to find their channel
[20:50] <gaurdro> https://listserv.bat.ru:8100/Lists/?Language=
[20:51] <khems> thanks gaurd
[21:51] <Raggs_> hi all, i am trying to create a launcher on the xfce panel, but i cant get it to work
[21:52] <Raggs_> i have the command that works in a terminal though
[21:53] <R1coch3t> did u rt click on panel?
[21:53] <R1coch3t> and select add new item?
[21:54] <Raggs_> yes, i have the new item there, with the right icon, but clicking on it i get the error "Failed to execute child process... (no such file or directory)
[21:55] <R1coch3t> rt click on the new launcher and hit properties
[21:55] <R1coch3t> u have to tell it what command to executre
[21:55] <Raggs_> right, the command is the issue
[21:55] <R1coch3t> execute*
[21:56] <Raggs_> I'm an idiot
[21:56] <Raggs_> DOH!
[21:56] <R1coch3t> please elaborate
[21:57] <Raggs_> there is a little box that lets you choose the executable, never noticed it
[21:58] <R1coch3t> so all is well now?
[21:58] <Raggs_> yes it is, thanks
[21:58] <Raggs_> a web browser called icecat
[21:58] <R1coch3t> ahh ok
[21:58] <R1coch3t> how is that?
[21:59] <Raggs_> i like it, seems faster than firefox
[22:00] <Raggs_> R1coch3t, do you know if xubuntu comes with sun java?
[22:01] <R1coch3t> no i dont think it does
[22:01] <R1coch3t> thats part of the xubuntu-restricted if i remember correctly
[22:01] <R1coch3t> xubuntu-restricted package
[22:01] <R1coch3t> *
[22:01] <R1coch3t> i know i have it tho
[22:02] <R1coch3t> well actually i have JDK java
[22:02] <Raggs_> ok, i actually have to have the Sun version
[22:02] <R1coch3t> y?
[22:03] <Raggs_> for school
[22:03] <R1coch3t> ahh gotcha
[22:03] <R1coch3t> well check in synaptic for it
[22:04] <R1coch3t> it might be there
[22:05] <Raggs_> R1coch3t, how long have you been using buntu?
[22:06] <jadez03>  You're so beautiful, you could be a part time model
[22:06] <R1coch3t> almost a year i think, maybe just over a year
[22:06] <Raggs_> ty jadez03
[22:06] <jadez03> When you're walking down the street, depending on the street, I bet you are definitely, in the top three
[22:07] <R1coch3t> and ive only had xubuntu installed
[22:07] <R1coch3t> tried ubuntu and kubuntu but didnt like them
[22:07] <Raggs_> R1coch3t, i have been using buntu since the first CD, and also Debian
[22:07] <R1coch3t> ahh cool
[22:07] <jadez03> I liked ubuntu but gnome is a memory hog
[22:08] <jadez03> Recently switched to xfce, like it, but I think I'm gonna try LXDE soon
[22:08] <R1coch3t> cool
[22:08] <Raggs_> jadez03, depends actually, in Debian gnome is pretty fast
[22:08] <R1coch3t> what about enlightenment?
[22:08] <Raggs_> LXDE isnt bad
[22:08] <Raggs_> i havent really used it
[22:08] <jadez03> its faster than any windows install, but with certain apps (my 200gb music collection) gnome loved to hangup
[22:09] <R1coch3t> what ap?
[22:09] <jadez03> any music player
[22:09] <jadez03> amarok, audacious, gmusicplayer, etc
[22:09] <jadez03> i tried a bunch
[22:10] <R1coch3t> bummer
[22:10] <R1coch3t> exaile?
[22:10] <jadez03> no, but they work fine under XFCE ;)
[22:10] <R1coch3t> lol
[22:10] <R1coch3t> thats all that matters
[22:10] <Raggs_> xfce is fine
[22:14] <Raggs_> hi forces
[22:14] <forces> Raggs, o7
[22:15] <Raggs_> ?
[22:16] <S0210> Hi! Whenever I open a youtube link in my Opera (e.g. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUgNZKSQcrk) I see only a big white square. What would be worth to check?
[22:16] <Raggs_> S0210, is flash installed?
[22:17] <S0210> Raggs_: yes
[22:18] <S0210> I should also add that I see *mostly* big white square...
[22:19] <Raggs_> hows it work in Firefox?>
[22:20] <S0210> in Firefox it is OK but I have Flashblock by default
[22:21] <Raggs_> i see, i havent a clue
[22:21] <S0210> the same with me :->
[22:50] <jadez03> this is ground control to major tom
[22:50] <jadez03> take your protein pills and put your helmet on
[22:56] <Raggs_> jadez03, thats random
[23:23] <R1coch3t> is there no longer a switch user?
[23:30] <R1coch3t> nvm i got it
[23:30] <R1coch3t> just had to add the applet to panel