| macvr | hyperair: hi... how to remove a comment from lp? | 04:38 |
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| macvr | or even edit the comment | 04:39 |
| hyperair | macvr: you can't. | 08:34 |
| macvr | hyperair: how did you do it then? | 08:34 |
| hyperair | do what? | 08:34 |
| macvr | wasnt it you how removed your own comment from the papercuts , saying it was off-topic? | 08:35 |
| hyperair | nope | 08:35 |
| macvr | who^ | 08:35 |
| hyperair | i just emailed the bug saying it was offtopic, and emailed you the reply directly | 08:35 |
| macvr | ah... | 08:35 |
| macvr | hyperair: you had me confused ;p , i was wonder how the hell you did it but i'm not allowed ;p didnt notice you had sent mail directly | 08:38 |
| hyperair | heheheh | 08:38 |
| hyperair | =p | 08:38 |
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| macvr | mpt: maybe you can look at this and consider for your appcenter idea ? > https://bugs.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/394608 | 11:46 |
| mpt | macvr, yes, that should be fixed, thanks for pointing it out | 11:47 |
| macvr | :) | 11:47 |
| lamalex | mpt: what's the implementatin status, still targetted for karmic? | 11:47 |
| mpt | macvr, however, for 9.10 at least Update Manager won't be part of AppCenter, and in the meantime it should be fixed in Update Manager | 11:47 |
| mpt | lamalex, yes. mvo and glatzor are working on apt-daemon, mvo is trying to wrestle xapian into a helpful state, and I'm starting to write up the design spec | 11:48 |
| lamalex | cool beans :) | 11:50 |
| macvr | mpt: how many tiers are the used for the updates? classified as critical/security? | 11:50 |
| mpt | macvr, as far as Update Manager is concerned, just two. Security, and everything else. | 11:50 |
| ScottK | That's all there are. | 11:51 |
| ScottK | ... at least post-release. | 11:51 |
| macvr | mpt: ah... so you are leaving out the critical updates to be notified only at 1 week? :( | 11:51 |
| macvr | non-security^ | 11:51 |
| mpt | For example, if you're subscribed to a daily-build PPA, or subscribed to backports, Update Manager doesn't show them differently from other updates. | 11:52 |
| macvr | :( | 11:54 |
| mpt | macvr, the developers who issue the updates regard security updates as more important than the others, so Update Manager acts accordingly. Personally I'd rather security was a subset of critical. | 11:55 |
| macvr | ^+1 ... since there is more need for ciritical updates than security updates! | 11:56 |
| macvr | critical | 11:57 |
| ScottK | It can actually get much more complex since the criticality of updates in general and security updates in particular is very context dependent. | 11:57 |
| macvr | ScottK: critical ,can be used fixes that solve crashes/memory leaks/major improvements + security updates .. the problem now is that, the critical[fixes for crashes] updates *dont* trigger notifier until 1 week ! | 12:00 |
| ScottK | macvr: Right. I think that the entire concept of hiding updates from users is fundamentally wrong and broken. | 12:01 |
| macvr | in the old notifier this wasnt a problem , since the updates ,show up soon | 12:01 |
| artir | I have a small proposal for the update manager | 12:01 |
| artir | right now, it pops out a window each time I click on update | 12:01 |
| artir | It shpuld be better to display the loading bar inside the app | 12:01 |
| artir | like this http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/6358/pantallazojpb.png | 12:02 |
| artir | the buttons would be replaced by that bar when u click on update | 12:02 |
| macvr | artir: this could be considered while designing mpt's appcenter | 12:03 |
| macvr | as he says it will be included in later releases | 12:03 |
| mpt | artir, absolutely | 12:04 |
| * mpt -> lunch | 12:04 | |
| artir | :) | 12:04 |
| artir | it could be even implemented in time for karmic | 12:04 |
| artir | it's kinda a papercut | 12:05 |
| macvr | artir: a redesign is not a papercut ;p | 12:06 |
| artir | it's a fleshwound :P | 12:06 |
| macvr | just minor fixes | 12:06 |
| artir | i'll add it to AppCenter/Comments on the wiki | 12:08 |
| * MacSlow -> lunch | 12:09 | |
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| macvr | ScottK: mpt: http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=496 | 12:19 |
| macvr | sometimes too many updates can be frustrating too ;p | 12:19 |
| macvr | so hiding the non-critical really is not a bad that bad an idea :) | 12:20 |
| ScottK | macvr: What's non-critical? | 12:22 |
| macvr | ScottK: trivial fixes , anything that doesn fix a major crash/freeze/or give major improvement to the app | 12:24 |
| ScottK | macvr: We don't do those post-release. | 12:24 |
| macvr | ScottK: anything the averge user doesnt obviously benefit from | 12:24 |
| ScottK | We have a policies in place for what should be fixed post-release and it should prevent minor stuff from getting out. | 12:24 |
| macvr | but , things miss out, the Jaunty release caused random X restarts! post release and this was for a month! | 12:25 |
| ScottK | Existence of a bug doesn't equate to a fix. | 12:26 |
| ScottK | Particularly with X where many problems are hardware specfiic we need to be very careful as one person's fix may be another person's regression. | 12:26 |
| macvr | ScottK: ^thats the problem! so when we are fixing one's problem , someone else can have new ones , these are critical for average users, since they just want to use it. maybe such updates can be given higher priority | 12:28 |
| ScottK | Of course such updates are essential for one person and irrelevant for another. | 12:32 |
| macvr | but we cant distinguish them , and present the updates at leisure 1 week later for users who need them, but again as you say " entire concept of hiding updates from users is fundamentally broken" | 12:34 |
| macvr | :) | 12:35 |
| macvr | oh... its not only probs with X , gedit post 8.10 was highly buggy , causing system freezes and 100%cpu usage , , so things sometimes slip out inspite of the policies | 13:14 |
| mpt | macvr, we reduce people's fixation on the number of updates in 9.04 by not displaying the number | 14:01 |
| macvr | mpt: thats what i like about not having the notification area icon. i dont think much about it | 14:02 |
| macvr | mpt: btw , in karmic , i saw it back! | 14:02 |
| macvr | are you planning to return notification area icon? | 14:02 |
| mpt | no | 14:02 |
| macvr | Thank goodness | 14:03 |
| lamalex | phew | 14:03 |
| macvr | mpt: but still not a fan of the pop-unders ;p | 14:03 |
| lamalex | I hate that thing, I'm fighting with my company right now to remove it from ours. The other devs think you guys were wrong on removing it. developers-- | 14:03 |
| mpt | We're simplifying the window for Karmic | 14:04 |
| mpt | Anyway, Update Manager isn't really related to Ayatana, it's more of a subject for #ubuntu-desktop :-) | 14:05 |
| macvr | ;p | 14:05 |
| macvr | mpt: you should have a look at the ubuquity slideshow , IMO the design aint that great | 14:06 |
| mpt | macvr, I know, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-desktop/2009-June/002124.html | 14:10 |
| mpt | unfortunately I just don't have time for it at the moment | 14:10 |
| macvr | mpt: hehe, i pointer HS to you | 14:11 |
| macvr | pointed | 14:11 |
| macvr | i told him though mpt is quite a busy guy | 14:11 |
| tgpraveen | hi in karmic according to karmic-notify-osd blueprint it is planned to suppress notify-osd bubbles which are non critical for fullscreen apps. | 14:36 |
| tgpraveen | so will empathy/pidgin msgs be critical or non critical? | 14:36 |
| * lamalex had an incident with im bubbles yesterday | 14:41 | |
| lamalex | :\ | 14:41 |
| macvr | tgpraveen: i think there is also plan for a status indicator which will control it ,well atleast it was mentioned in the mailing list | 14:49 |
| tgpraveen | macvr: like a do-not-disturb mode | 14:50 |
| macvr | yup | 14:50 |
| tgpraveen | coz by default IM msgs should be considered critical if in fullscreen they should NOT be suppressed | 14:50 |
| tgpraveen | though if i am in do-not-disturb mode i guess it makes sense to suppress it | 14:51 |
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| rgreening | kwwii: ping | 18:04 |
| rgreening | kwwii: are there any .mng oxygen icons for things like copy files, etc? | 18:04 |
| rgreening | kwwii: in the usb creator, I have a progress bar, but it would be nice to have an icon for each step in the progress, like "install bootloader", "copying files", "Creating file system", "Making/formating filesystem", "Syncing media"... | 18:06 |
| rgreening | then I can remove the useless time remaining estimator text... | 18:07 |
| rgreening | :) | 18:07 |
| rgreening | kwwii: actually, that would be harder to implement by step... maybe one simple .mng to represent building a usb stick... like a puzzle or building blocks... | 18:10 |
| rgreening | thoughts? | 18:10 |
| rgreening | :) | 18:10 |
| kwwii | rgreening: until now we do not have any mng files in the theme | 18:33 |
| kwwii | actually, for whatever reason, everyone tries to avoid using them in desktops | 18:33 |
| rgreening | hmm.. ok | 18:33 |
| kwwii | rgreening: sounds like an interesting idea | 18:33 |
| rgreening | I was thinking it would look cool. | 18:33 |
| kwwii | yeah | 18:34 |
| rgreening | but not necessary... hows the usb icon coming. :P | 18:34 |
| kwwii | well, I started it ;) | 18:34 |
| kwwii | maybe I can finish it tomorrow | 18:34 |
| rgreening | :P | 18:34 |
| SiDi | heya mrooney ! when do you release wxbanker 0.6 ? :p | 18:49 |
| mrooney | SiDi: good question! :) | 18:53 |
| mrooney | I'm working on recurring transactions and online syncing with mint.com | 18:53 |
| mrooney | also tags are implemented by someone else so I'd like to merge that | 18:54 |
| SiDi | okies | 18:58 |
| tgpraveen | SiDi: what is wxbanker? | 18:59 |
| SiDi | tgpraveen: its an app mrooney develops | 19:00 |
| mrooney | tgpraveen: personal finance app | 19:08 |
| tgpraveen | k | 19:10 |
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| macvr | beuno: hi... your thoughts on this> https://bugs.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/389133 | 20:35 |
| SiDi | macvr: want mines ? (*grins*) | 20:36 |
| macvr | SiDi: you will always oppose me ... so no ;p | 20:37 |
| macvr | i doubt that one is a papercut | 20:37 |
| beuno | macvr, give me a few minutes, I'll take a peak | 20:38 |
| macvr | np | 20:38 |
| SiDi | macvr: i must say im 80% against this feature to be implemented | 20:38 |
| SiDi | most users dont user what kill'ing a proc means | 20:38 |
| SiDi | and its not so common that a proc refuses to end when asked to | 20:38 |
| macvr | SiDi: as i said no thoughts from you ;p | 20:38 |
| macvr | SiDi: but i had the same thoughts as you... :) | 20:39 |
| SiDi | but apart from the fact that it'd be a regression, its a perfectly valid papercut :D | 20:39 |
| SiDi | its true its not easy for the user to guess how to kill a proc that doesnt wanna end, but right clicking it is not so much harder to guess after having gone through the process of discovering the sysmonitor and finding the processes | 20:40 |
| SiDi | and windows users are _very_ used to the advanced options of ctrl+alt+suppr anyway </troll> | 20:40 |
| SiDi | macvr: should i be the bad guy on the bug report ? | 20:40 |
| macvr | Actually i dont mind ... its just that Rich has done the patch, didnt want to dissapoint him :) | 20:41 |
| SiDi | things that happen | 20:42 |
| SiDi | i began patching an app in a totally unknown language today because it was using actions | 20:42 |
| SiDi | (mail-notification throwing bad popups due to actions use without cap checking) | 20:42 |
| SiDi | and half-way to the process, i have a popup telling me i got a new mail for this report | 20:43 |
| SiDi | in which it is linked to a dupe with a complete patch.. :D | 20:43 |
| macvr | hehe | 20:43 |
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