[01:14] <dgroos> Working on following the directions in https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPLocalAppsJaunty but it looks like I can't update the image with: sudo ltsp-update-image -a i386
[01:14] <dgroos> after trying to update the image it says:
[01:15] <dgroos> Info: port 2000 is already defined with /opt/ltsp/images/i386.img in inetd.conf  and...
[01:15] <dgroos> Info: taking no action.
[01:16] <dgroos> so, does that mean that, after appearing to do a lot of updating the image, that nothing was written?
[01:32] <dgroos> OK--answered this myself--ogra says it's no issue on this page http://www.linux-archive.org/edubuntu-user/28568-ltsp-update-image.html :)
[03:02] <dgroos> OK, trying to further regress to locate problem.
[03:02] <dgroos> Why can't I simply install a program in the chroot???!
[03:03] <dgroos> I use: sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get install firefox and says E: couldn't find package firefox...
[04:35] <dgroos> Why can I install to the regular root (sudo apt-get install graphviz) but not to the chroot (sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get install graphviz)?  In the latter...
[04:36] <dgroos> I get the message, "E: couldn't find package graphviz).
[04:37] <dgroos> do they use different source lists?  I'm bamboozled.  Help anyone?
[07:38] <Panoramix> A
[09:20] <nubae> greets jbianquetti
[09:20] <jbianquetti> hi nubae
[10:10] <asanchez> hi nubae, I can see that you are in Spain due your ISP
[10:11] <asanchez> as you would notice jet our broadband connections aren't as broad as we need
[10:18] <nubae> hui asanchez
[10:20] <nubae> hehe, bueno, me dieron una linea de 20mb hace 2 anos, solo para quitar la por coger el pack trio con lo de la televeision inutil
[10:22] <nubae> y no mencionaron lo del cambio de 20mb a 3mb....
[10:23] <nubae> pero esto paso cuando yo no estaba... lo pidio mi madre, que era para su casa, y ya sabes... mas o menos la estafaron con inutilidades
[10:23] <nubae> como antivirus
[10:36] <nubae> asanchez, jbianquetti have u seen: linux-for-education.org ?
[10:43] <jbianquetti> nubae: yes. It's interesting...
[10:44] <jbianquetti> maybe, it's a possible point of collaboration between our project and others projects...
[10:45] <jbianquetti> Andalucian's teachers likes moodle a lot!
[10:46] <nubae> si... creo que un portal de contenido moodle es como oro
[10:46] <nubae> y se puede utilizar tanto aqui como en sud america
[10:47] <nubae> con el projecto sugar, ya deberia a ver material para Moodle...
[10:48] <nubae> lo unico son las licencias... que eso no lo tienen claro las escuelas ni los profesores... para mi es obvio que tiene que ser Creative Commons por defecto
[10:49] <nubae> pero se puede ensenar un ejemplo muy bueno donde el material es creative commons y es uno de los moodles mas grande del mundo... el de open university
[11:16] <nubae> bueno pues me han mandado un email oficial parece, y ahora me llaman :-)
[15:08] <sbalneav> Morning all
[15:09] <highvoltage> morning sbalneav!
[15:53] <Svenstaro> Hi chumps
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[18:32] <truk77> hi there, perhaps somebody can help me? My wife has installed edubuntu on our ubuntu install (9.04, I believe), and now it seems to be freezing at boot up.  Does edubuntu affect the boot sequence at all?
[18:47] <dgroos> Hi truk77!
[18:47] <truk77> hi dgroos
[18:48] <dgroos> I must say I don't know the answer to your question, but sometimes, 2 people, both not knowing, can still figure things out...
[18:48] <dgroos> So, how did you install it?
[18:50] <truk77> that's the problem...I didn't...wifey did :)  Heh.  She installed it from within Ubuntu, using synaptic, and I think she may have installed Edubuntu-Server
[18:50] <truk77> unfortunately, the laptop's at home and I'm at work, so I can't really get into it
[18:51] <truk77> my only guess is that it is trying to start some server processes at boot time and failing because there's no internet connection (laptop uses wifi that has to be configured after boot)
[18:51] <dgroos> What have you tried so far?
[18:55] <truk77> well, it seems like after booting, it goes to some blinking cursor
[18:55] <truk77> I've tried getting her to switch virtual consoles, but that hasn't seemed to work
[18:56] <truk77> actually, I apologize, but I've got step away from the keys for a bit
[19:06] <Aiko> hello
[19:07] <Aiko> Anyone willing to help an idiot?
[19:07] <Lns> !question
[19:07] <Lns> Aiko, ^^ =)
[19:08] <Aiko> I was trying to install edubuntu and evidently installed the sever portion as well.  Now my computer tries to boot up, goes to a blank screen with a blinking cursor in the top left hand corner and ubuntu will not load.  Anyone able to help me?
[19:09] <Lns> Aiko, are you truk77's doppelganger?
[19:09] <Aiko> I'm his wife.
[19:10] <Lns> ahh, that explains it =)
[19:10] <Aiko> He's at work, I'm at home. :)
[19:10] <Lns> it was working fine before you installed edubuntu packages?
[19:10] <Aiko> yes
[19:10] <Aiko> no problems before I tried to install
[19:12] <Aiko> When I did the install, it tried to do something with apache.  It also gave me a message stating it was having difficulties with mooble...or moogle...or something like that.
[19:12] <Lns> moodle?
[19:12] <Aiko> yes, moodle
[19:13] <Aiko> guess I got Final Fantasy on the brain
[19:13] <Lns> hmm, too bad nubae isn't here
[19:13] <Aiko> resident expert?
[19:13] <Lns> have you logged in on a text console and looked through the logs?
[19:13] <Lns> resident moodle expert, yeah
[19:14] <Aiko> hwo do I log into a text console?
[19:14] <Lns> ctl+alt+f1
[19:14] <Aiko> ah, tried that
[19:14] <Aiko> it says 'loading, please wait' and sticks there.
[19:14] <Lns> f2?
[19:15] <Aiko> blank screen with the blinking cursor
[19:15] <Lns> doesn't sound much like an edubuntu issue to me...sounds like a bootloader issue
[19:15] <Aiko> tried that too
[19:15] <Aiko> problem is, it didn't happen until I tried to install edbuntu
[19:15] <Aiko> edubuntu
[19:16] <Lns> but edubuntu, afaik, isn't much besides some services and applications...possibly the bootsplash is doing something wrong though, i wouldn't think that would cause the system to just freeze upon bootup though
[19:17] <Aiko> there's a server option too
[19:17] <Aiko> edubuntu server
[19:17] <Aiko> which stupid me didn't think to uncheck
[19:17] <alkisg> Aiko: can you select the "recovery mode" in the boot manager?
[19:17] <Aiko> yes, but it freezes too
[19:18] <Lns> Aiko, what release of *buntu are you using?
[19:18] <Aiko> I'm not certain.  That would be a question for Truk77
[19:19] <Aiko> calling him to ask
[19:19] <Aiko> 9.04
[19:20] <Lns> do you recall it installing any different kernel ?
[19:20] <Aiko> edubuntu?  I have no idea.  It did ask me to restart.
[19:21] <Aiko> that's when the problem started.  it said I had ot restart to have the changes take effect.
[19:22] <alkisg> Aiko, when you select the recovery mode, what does it say when it halts? It shouldn't be saying the same thing, there's no splash screen in the recovery mode...
[19:22] <Aiko> let me go write it down
[19:25] <Aiko> hm, it's not in recover right now.  Her'es what it says when I hit alt-f1: starting up, [      0.256016]   .. MP-BIOS bug: 8254 timer not connected to IO-APIC  Loading, please wait...
[19:25] <Aiko> lemme restart into recovery
[19:28] <Aiko> ok, restart into recovery, last thing it says is this: [  2.166894] Adding 225540k swap on /dev/ramzswap0.  Priority: 100 extents: 1 across: 225540k
[19:28] <Aiko> then it just sits there with a blinking cursor
[19:30] <Aiko> it figures I would be the one to break it.  Meh.
[19:32] <Aiko> oh,something else to note
[19:32] <Aiko> when the computer is trying to boot up, the logo is blue instead of red and orange
[19:32] <Lns> Aiko, no chance you're out of disk space?
[19:33] <Aiko> Don't know, I don't think so
[19:33] <Aiko> wouldn't it at least boot up?
[19:34] <Lns> not if your swapfile generation is taking up the last of the disk space
[19:34] <Aiko> and if I didn't have space, wouldn't it have said something when I was trying to install edubuntu?
[19:34] <Aiko> so what do I do?
[19:34] <Aiko> I guess that could be a problem.  how do I fix it?
[19:35] <alkisg> Aiko, if the logo is blue, the recovery mode won't start etc there's not much you can do. Someone more experienced is needed to check the hardware, and if that's ok then to boot with a live cd to fix things.
[19:35] <Aiko> I'm pretty sure the hardware is okay
[19:35] <alkisg> Blue logo?
[19:35] <alkisg> I'd guess the graphics card is not seated well..
[19:35] <Aiko> it's a laptop
[19:36] <alkisg> .... :)
[19:36] <Aiko> the logo was orange before I installed edubuntu
[19:36] <Aiko> NONE of this stuff happened before that.
[19:36] <Aiko> so whatever it is, it's related.
[19:36] <alkisg> Ah, ok I don't know what color the edubuntu logo is, I thought that was the ubuntu logo showing blue.
[19:36] <Lns> Aiko, IIWY i'd check the disk space. It's good to at least eliminate possibilities
[19:36] <alkisg> Aiko: do you have a live cd handy, so that you can at least try some things?
[19:37] <Aiko> lemme ask Truk77
[19:38] <Aiko> LNS, how do I check disk space?
[19:38] <Aiko> alkisg if I don't have a CD, I can burn one pretty easily
[19:39] <alkisg> Aiko, ok, but keep in mind that in such difficult cases even an expert sitting right there would need some time to figure out the problem. Doing it over the irc will require much time... :)
[19:39] <Aiko> Alas, the expert is at work and all that's here is me, the dimwit
[19:40] <truk77> stuff never has the common courtesy to go wrong when I'm actually there
[19:40] <Aiko> of course not
[19:40] <Lns> thatwould be too logical
[19:41] <Aiko> I'm cursed.
[19:41] <alkisg> truk77: Do you think you could direct her to boot with a live cd and enable the embedded vnc server (=vino), so that you could connect to her PC and fix it?
[19:42] <Aiko> working on it.  Gonna have to download as we don't have the latest version
[19:42] <Aiko> going afk a while.  thanks fora ll the help guys!  I'll be back in a bit
[20:42] <pygi> hi
[20:46] <bencrisford> hey pygi :)
[21:25] <pygi> highvoltage: poke :D
[23:07] <dgroos> Good Afternoon--
[23:08] <dgroos> I'm still doing battle with not being able to install programs into the client chroot.
[23:09] <dgroos> I use the normal command: sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get install xyz and it won't install.
[23:09] <dgroos> I can install programs with sudo apt-get install xyz.  That works fine.  Any ideas?
[23:12] <dgroos> I should say, I can install in the chroot I'd made earlier for experimenting with local apps: sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386_w_localapps apt-get install xyz
[23:21] <dgroos> I check the logs... the auth.log says: 2 17:18:41 gxyz sudo:   dgroos : TTY=pts/0 ; PWD=/home/dgroos ; USER=root ; COMMAND=/usr/sbin/chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get install firefox (when I tried to install firefox in chroot).
[23:27] <Lns> dgroos: so does firefox actually perform an install when you did that?
[23:27] <Lns> if not, what is the error?
[23:27] <dgroos> When I did the install in the i386 or the i386_w_localapps chroot do you mean?
[23:29] <Lns> uh, both I guess? Which chroot are you using localapps with?
[23:29] <Lns> both?
[23:31] <dgroos> Well, I was testing with the test chroot I had made a few days ago i386_w_localapps and it seems to work fine, there.  However, I decided to operate on the original chroot yesterday but now can't install software into it.
[23:33] <Lns> dgroos: what's the error you're getting?
[23:34] <dgroos> Reading package lists... Done
[23:34] <dgroos> Building dependency tree
[23:34] <dgroos> Reading state information... Done
[23:34] <dgroos> E: Couldn't find package firefox
[23:34] <Lns> dgroos: have you copied the server sources.list to the chroot you're working in and done an apt-get update ?
[23:40] <dgroos> I don't believe so--but I have searched for the source.list files and looked at them and the one in the chroot seemed in order...
[23:43] <Lns> dgroos: if it can't find the firefox package, your package list (derived from sources.list) isn't up to date
[23:43] <dgroos> I'm looking for a command to copy the source list but only see that it must be done...
[23:45] <dgroos> found the command.  Will try.
[23:52] <dgroos> Lns: THANKS!  It's working again.  Funny how a single little (size is relative, of course!) road block can stymie one for many hours.  Have a good evening--guess it's late afternoon where you are :-)
[23:52] <Lns> dgroos: =) Glad to have helped.