[00:15]  * Riddell snnoz
[00:15]  * Riddell snoozes
[00:32] <shtylman> Riddell: http://shtylman.com/stuff/kubuntu_installer/version2/ <-- implementation of mofux mockup ... which ones these or old do you like?
[00:44] <ScottK> shtylman: How much vertical space are you taking up?  For kubuntu-netbook we want to install in 576 pixels.
[00:52] <shtylman> ScottK: that will be a reach... the center part is 800x600
[00:53] <shtylman> I can aim for 576 ... but that is cutting it very very close on some of the screens
[01:16] <yuriy> shtylman: the header is taking up a lot of space, so you can probably save there
[01:16] <yuriy> looks beautiful
[01:16] <yuriy> text is cut off on the user screen "installatio"
[02:01] <lex79> ScottK: https://edge.launchpad.net/~alessandro-ghersi/+archive/staging
[02:20] <ScottK-desktop> shtylman: Next cycle I'm going to want 480 for MID devices ....  So 576 should be relatively quite easy.
[02:39] <e-jat> anyone here have porb with kernel 2.6.31-1 ?
[02:41] <e-jat> prob*
[03:31] <shtylman> ScottK: ... is that really called for? I think at that point a different type of install sequence might be needed... just so you know the current one will NOT got to 480 ... at least not well
[03:31] <shtylman> ScottK-desktop: ^
[03:31] <ScottK> shtylman: OK.  Well something to be thinking about for karmic +1 then.
[03:32] <shtylman> ScottK: will do
[03:32] <ScottK> It'll be a distinct flavor if we do it, so DI can be different.
[03:32] <ScottK> ubiquity too
[03:36] <ScottK> lex79: Uploaded (pim-runtime).  Thank you.
[03:37] <lex79> if you have time you can upload also qtcurve :)
[03:37] <lex79> but don't worry we can do later
[03:37] <ScottK> Maybe.
[03:37] <ScottK> It's getting late here.
[03:38] <lex79> yes
[03:38] <lex79> btw I finished the backport
[03:39] <lex79> tomorro
[03:39] <ScottK> Great.
[03:39] <lex79> tomorrow I can copy to ppa backport
[03:40] <lex79> tomorrow or today :) I'm confusing, too many kubuntu time in this days :P
[04:42] <vorian> dude
[04:42] <vorian> s
[04:42] <vorian> ftbfs?
[04:56] <pkt> vorian: what package?
[05:24] <v12extremex> can anyone help with a sound problem?
[09:14] <Quintasan> Hi!
[09:16] <refic> hi
[09:19] <tseliot> Riddell: do you know where (i.e. which part of the code) I can start to fix this bug (see the last comment for a screen shot)? https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=175020
[10:44] <jussi01> hrm, is there some sort of system to tell people what you like about kde? ie. something that is the opposite of a bug?
[10:46] <tsimpson> umm, no
[10:49] <tsimpson> perhaps there should be something on LP, like a kudos section
[10:50] <jussi01> I think often we tell people to tell us what is wrong with it, and it gets to be a very negative world. perhaps people telling us the things that rock is also a metric to see how things are?
[10:51] <tsimpson> I think it's a good idea
[10:52] <tsimpson> it could be quite useful for many projects
[10:54]  * jussi01 wonders what others think... Riddell you around?
[10:54] <mgraesslin> tsimpson: +1 sounds like a good idea
[10:55] <mgraesslin> perhaps some place for downstream and upstream
[10:55] <mgraesslin> as people saying thanks to Kubuntu probably want to thank KDE as well :-)
[10:56] <jussi01> maybe a bug type system, whare you file against a package? in $package, this rocked
[10:56] <jussi01> ?
[10:58] <tsimpson> strange that no one's really thought of that already
[10:59] <mgraesslin> the German ubuntuusers Forum has a thread for people wanting to say "thanks"
[11:00] <jussi01> mgraesslin: yeah, the ubuntu forums has a way to thank forumites who help also, but Im thinking more about features in programs, or the waythings are done in kde
[11:01] <tsimpson> I mean more in a project space, more "official" I guess
[11:01] <tsimpson> it can also tell devs on what users like, so improve other applications
[11:01] <jussi01> exactly
[11:06] <DreadKnight1> my wireless is acting up since a recent kernel update
[11:06] <DreadKnight1> i think
[11:49] <ScottK> lex79: kde-style-qtcurve uploaded.  Thank you for your contribution to Kubuntu.
[11:59] <Riddell> jaunty users needed to test RC 1 https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/staging
[11:59] <Riddell> Sime: ^^ fancy testing?
[12:13] <ScottK> Riddell: It looks to me like when you added the COPYING files for kdepim-runtime you just did so in trunk and not also in the 4.3 branch.  I think it's needed there too.
[12:14] <Riddell> good point
[12:16] <ScottK> Riddell: Also the debian-cd changes for kubuntu-netbook are uploaded so we are one RT ticket away from having images.
[12:19] <Riddell> excellent
[12:48] <tsimpson> there's a couple of issues with the -dbg packages:
[12:48] <tsimpson> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kdebase-runtime-dbg_4%3a4.2.95-0ubuntu1~jaunty1~ppa2_i386.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/kde4/kcm_filetypes.so', which is also in package kdebase-dbg
[12:49] <tsimpson> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kdebase-workspace-dev_4%3a4.2.95-0ubuntu1~jaunty1~ppa1_i386.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/kde4/plugins/designer/ksysguardlsofwidgets.so', which is also in package kdebase-workspace-libs4+5
[12:50] <tsimpson> Riddell: ^
[12:50] <Tm_T> tsimpson: should people use staging packages freely?
[12:50] <Riddell> fooey
[12:50] <Riddell> I asked him to test them
[12:50] <tsimpson> Tm_T: for testing the upgrade only
[12:51] <Tm_T> sure, so if people starts using them as "the release" I should make noise of it?
[12:51] <tsimpson> definitely
[12:51] <Tm_T> just trying to make sure there's no unnecessary breakage for users
[12:51] <tsimpson> this is just testing before we say they are ready
[12:51] <Tm_T> aye
[12:54] <Tm_T> got it right there?
[12:54] <Riddell> tsimpson: if you do dpkg --instlal --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/kdebase-workspace-dev_4%3a4.2.95-0ubuntu1~jaunty1~ppa1_i386.deb /var/cache/apt/archives/kdebase-runtime-dbg_4%3a4.2.95-0ubuntu1~jaunty1~ppa2_i386.deb are there any more?
[12:54] <tsimpson> Riddell: no more errors so far
[12:55] <jussi01> grrr... pioneers has stopped working... no more procrastination!!!!!!!
[12:55] <Tm_T> jussi01: noooooo
[12:57] <jussi01> Tm_T: its a disaster!!
[13:00] <tsimpson> Riddell: a few more overwrite errors: http://paste.ubuntu.com/208080/
[13:02] <Riddell> ok
[13:04] <DreadKnight> bug 198650
[13:04] <DreadKnight> erm
[13:04] <DreadKnight> no bugs.kde here i see
[13:05] <Riddell> kde bug 198650
[13:05] <DreadKnight> oh nice :) thanks
[13:05] <tsimpson> Riddell: no other issues installing
[13:05] <DreadKnight> wireless acting up for me
[13:08] <ScottK> NCommander: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdegames/4:4.2.95-0ubuntu1/+build/1102238/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-karmic-armel.kdegames_4:4.2.95-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz looks like a build failure with your name on it (KDE 4.3 RC1, so time to get fixing).
[13:09] <gorgonizer> hello, just wish to say that the upgrade to KDE 4.3 RC1 (from testing repo) went well, did kill the X server, but after reboot everything looks good :)
[13:14] <Riddell> great thanks gorgonizer
[13:15] <jussi01> Riddell: is there a changelog from beta -> RC 1?
[13:15] <gorgonizer> The X crash seemed to occur during the dist-upgrade part of the process (I ran it from the CLI), not sure if that helps..
[13:15] <ScottK> NCommander: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qt4-x11/4.5.2-0ubuntu1/+build/1097116/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-karmic-armel.qt4-x11_4.5.2-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz too.  I did retry it once already and it failed identically both times.
[13:16] <Riddell> jussi01: probably.  on kde.org
[13:16] <jussi01> Riddell: super, thanks.. goes to looks
[13:16] <jussi01> Riddell: also, did you see my suggestin earlier, and if so, have you an opinion?
[13:17] <Trouble> Riddell: Don't know if you saw in #kubuntu. I upgraded two machines and on both X bombed out, but again after monitoring the update on a console and a reboot it looks fine
[13:18] <seaLne> i had problems with the new kernel from yesterday which ment X wouldn't work i'm currently using the pervious kernel
[13:18] <seaLne> i get blue screen with lines
[13:21] <Riddell> this X killing is quite worrying
[13:23] <gorgonizer> Riddell: from looking at my apt logs, the crash occurred whilst installing kdebase-workspace packages and kdm..
[13:24] <gorgonizer> I also have Stopping K Display Manager: kdm not responding to TERM signal in the log
[13:24] <Riddell> I doubt we've changed anything in the postinst scripts there
[13:26] <Trouble> I have nothing for workspace
[13:26] <Trouble> But later on during the upgrade I do have:
[13:26] <Trouble> Preparing to replace kdm 4:4.2.90-0ubuntu1~jaunty1~ppa2 (using .../kdm_4%3a4.2.95-0ubuntu1~jaunty1~ppa1_amd64.deb) ...
[13:26] <Trouble> Stopping K Display Manager: kdm not responding to TERM signal (pid 3582).
[13:28] <DreadKnight> Trouble: no plasmoids on your workspace?
[13:28] <Trouble> It seems I had a kernel update this morning, but hadn't rebooted
[13:29] <Trouble> DreadKnight: No plasmoids, except Folder View
[13:29] <DreadKnight> Trouble: the RC made some shitty new empty workspace...
[13:29] <DreadKnight> and really confused me
[13:30] <DreadKnight> workspaces vs virtual desktops are a bit annoying
[13:30] <DreadKnight> one workspace for one desktop is a shitty option, too obscure somehow
[13:31] <DreadKnight> i hate the workspace view atm; but i understand it's far from finished
[13:31] <DreadKnight> wish it would had a damn black background or even white, that grid is annoying and fugly
[13:33] <DreadKnight> i should make some mockup in near future
[13:35] <tsimpson> seems all my KDE settings were reset
[13:36] <Trouble> grrr
[13:36] <Trouble> Screen corruption and a hang
[13:36] <Trouble> Reboot and I'm back
[13:37] <Trouble> Back on kernel 2.6.28-11 now
[13:37] <gorgonizer> 2.6.28-13-generic (64bit) here, no issues thus far..
[13:38] <gorgonizer> from what I can tell, all KDE settings and plasmoids remained from 4.3 Beta 2 after upgrade.
[13:39] <OdyX> ryanakca_: Hi. Do you intend to package pem as in http://bugs.debian.org/500100 ?
[13:39] <tsimpson> not from 4.2.4 it seems
[13:39] <Trouble> tsimpson: I updated from 4.3 beta 2 and I've got my settings
[13:40] <gorgonizer> tsimpson: iirc I lost settings when I went from 4.2 to 4.3 Beta 1..
[13:40] <OdyX> ryanakca_: ECHAN => #d-d-fr
[13:41] <Trouble> I didn't lose my settings from 4.2.4 to 4.3 beta 1
[13:41] <tsimpson> I lost my theme, wallpaper and plasmoid settings at least
[13:41] <tsimpson> haven't checked all the rest
[13:41] <Trouble> I've just turned my Desktop Effects back off
[13:42] <Trouble> tsimpson: Ahh, I had the default theme, wallpaper and plasmoid settings ;-)
[13:47] <Riddell> tsimpson: that's the plasmarc -> plasma-desktoprc issue
[13:47] <Riddell> surprised upstream hasn't sorted that
[13:48] <tsimpson> the choice of default plasmoids is interesting, "Microblogging", "Folder View" and "openDesktop"
[13:49] <tsimpson> and openDesktop immediately opens a dialog asking for a username/password, with it not being obvious what it's about
[13:49] <Trouble> There are some redrawing issues too. One of my Konsole windows doesn't have any decorations. Though they flash when I hover over them. Might be having stopped Desktop Effects within KDE and not logging out and in
[13:51] <tsimpson> other than that, everything seems to be ok
[13:53] <tsimpson> ooh, sub-menus under internet. that makes things less cluttered
[13:57] <Trouble> Is it normal for the following in /var/log/dkpg.log
[13:57] <Riddell> packages uploaded to fix overwrite issues
[13:57] <Trouble> 2009-07-02 13:05:27 status half-installed kdm 4:4.2.90-0ubuntu1~jaunty1~ppa2
[13:57] <Trouble> 2009-07-02 13:05:28 status unpacked kdm 4:4.2.95-0ubuntu1~jaunty1~ppa1
[13:57] <Trouble> 2009-07-02 13:05:28 status unpacked kdm 4:4.2.95-0ubuntu1~jaunty1~ppa1
[13:57] <Trouble> 2009-07-02 13:05:52 configure kdm 4:4.2.95-0ubuntu1~jaunty1~ppa1 4:4.2.95-0ubuntu1~jaunty1~ppa1
[13:57] <Trouble> 2009-07-02 13:05:52 status unpacked kdm 4:4.2.95-0ubuntu1~jaunty1~ppa1
[13:57] <Trouble> (last line repeated 14 times)
[14:01] <tsimpson> Trouble: yes
[14:01] <Trouble> Thanks. I rarely look in dpkg :)
[14:07] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: could you please sponsor gtk2-engines-qtcurve from bzr? https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/gtk2-engines-qtcurve/ubuntu
[14:07] <Riddell> k
[14:08] <JontheEchidna> thx
[14:10] <Riddell> uploaded
[14:26] <maco> uh, did kde 4.3 get rid of the option to rebuild the imap index & cache for the entire account? ive got one account showing the folder list that belongs to a different account
[14:28] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: ping
[14:28] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: pong
[14:29] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: the RC1 will be put in kubuntu-experimental as usual?
[14:29] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: also about translation, do you know the deadline?
[14:29]  * JontheEchidna has been out of it with a nasty sinus infection for most of the packaging cycle
[14:30] <Quintasan> :<
[14:30]  * Quintasan pats JontheEchidna
[14:30] <neversfelde> will koffice-2.0.1 go to the official backports?
[14:30] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: so to answer the question, I know they're staging the update in the kubuntu-ppa/staging repo, but beyond that I don't know that much
[14:31] <neversfelde> while it is in the backports ppa you cannot install it without using 4.3 beta, some users complained about it
[14:31] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: final deadline for Ubuntu translations is the 15th
[14:31] <JontheEchidna> ...of October
[14:32] <Quintasan> oh
[14:32] <Quintasan> means I still have time :P
[14:32] <JontheEchidna> quite
[14:32] <JontheEchidna> I don't know if they've even opened translation for karmic yet
[14:32] <JontheEchidna> they are soon if they haven't done so already
[14:32] <dpm> JontheEchidna: they haven't been opened yet, but soon
[14:33] <JontheEchidna> neversfelde: I'd file a request, I see no reason it shouldn't
[14:33] <neversfelde> JontheEchidna: thank you
[14:33]  * Quintasan wonders when AcetoneISO upstream will respond
[14:33] <JontheEchidna> bbl, going to the neighbors to feed their pets
[15:14]  * Daskreech can't get the openDesktop plasmoid working
[15:26] <sebas> Are there packages for 4.3-rc1?
[15:26] <sebas> jaunty
[15:26] <jussi01> sebas: in the staging repo atm
[15:27] <sebas> jussi01: those go into backports then?
[15:27] <jussi01> sebas: yeah, after the testing is doen
[15:27] <sebas> k, what's the sources.list entry for the staging repo?
[15:28] <jussi01> sebas: look here: https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/staging
[15:28] <sebas> Cool, thanks :)
[15:29] <Trouble> sebas: Remember they are for testing, and there have been a few installation problems reported. Remember to take the entry out of sources.list when you've finished
[15:30] <sebas> Trouble: sure, I can deal with that :)
[15:30] <sebas> THanks for the warning though
[15:30] <Trouble> sebas: Watch out for X bombing in the middle of the installation ;-)
[15:30] <jussi01> Trouble: sebas is a superstar :D
[15:31] <sebas> X bombing, that would be odd, but not quite unexpected :)
[15:31] <sebas> jussi01: hah!
[15:31] <Trouble> :D
[15:31] <mgraesslin> is there an estimation when we will have the packages in backports?
[15:32] <mgraesslin> if not I'll try the staging repo as well :-D
[15:32] <jussi01> mgraesslin: how long is a peice of string?
[15:51] <Riddell> huh, libc gets upgraded
[15:51] <Trouble> Updated my KDE RC1 with the latest builds and along comes KDM and X bombs again :D
[15:52] <Trouble> I'll watch any further KDM updates
[15:54] <shtylman_> ScottK: I lied... the center piece is 750x550 so it meets your requirements :)
[15:55]  * shtylman_ always trembles in fear when libc get upgraded
[15:56]  * Quintasan trembles in fear at KDM updates 
[15:56] <Quintasan> :P
[15:56] <shtylman_> indeed ... but I figure I can always just startx ... but if libc fails... well then...
[16:04] <Riddell> so do I move rc 1 to backports or not..?
[16:05] <lex79> haloa :)
[16:09] <Riddell> lex79: packages all work but KDM seems to get killed during upgrade
[16:09] <lex79> sami issue in karmic
[16:10] <lex79> now is fixed ?
[16:10] <lex79> *same
[16:11] <Riddell> not fixed
[16:11] <Riddell> don't know what's up with it
[16:12] <lex79> I remember there was also in beta2
[16:13] <Quintasan> argh, I can't use kde 4 :/
[16:13] <Riddell> wonder if it's something in the merges
[16:13] <Riddell> well it's only an RC, I'll copy it over and put a bit warning on the page
[16:14] <nixternal> GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD MORNING NINJAS!
[16:14] <Quintasan> nixternal: \o
[16:14] <lex79> \o
[16:14]  * Quintasan wonders why KDE 4 is so slow for him
[16:14] <nixternal> the archives are crawling this morning
[16:14] <ScottK> shtylman_: Great.  That should do nicely.
[16:17] <instructor> Just installed KDE 4.3 RC in Koala
[16:17] <instructor> Bad idea?
[16:18] <Riddell> instructor: why would it be bad?
[16:18] <Trouble> I've updated 2 machines a total of 3 times (including KDM) and X has bombed each time :)
[16:18] <ScottK> instructor: How did it go?
[16:19] <instructor> killed X
[16:19] <instructor> kdm says restart is not a known option
[16:19] <instructor> kdm stop says / is busy
[16:19] <ScottK> Riddell: It seems a pretty consisten pattern now.
[16:20] <instructor> startx seems to work well
[16:20] <Riddell> does indeed
[16:21] <rgreening> I did a sync, and then kdm stop; kdm start
[16:21] <instructor> Oh you had file system erors as well?
[16:21] <shtylman_> http://shtylman.com/stuff/kubuntu_installer/version3/
[16:21] <instructor> I could just get bash to start first time the computer rebooted
[16:21] <rgreening> I had it report some Ext issue..
[16:22] <rgreening> "couldn't read superblock
[16:22] <rgreening> which was weird.
[16:22] <ScottK> rgreening: We are very close to netbook images.  Is the USB creator uploaded yet?
[16:23] <instructor> rgreening: same here and there was no existence of /dev/null
[16:23] <ScottK> instructor: I'm looking at the init and it definitely has restart.
[16:23] <instructor> and bash couldn't find any start up files except /etc/bash_profile
[16:23] <rgreening> ScottK: In my PPA.
[16:23] <ScottK> rgreening: OK.  How soon to have it in the archive?
[16:24] <instructor> ScottK: my /etc/init.d/kdm is a binary file
[16:24] <instructor> it matches though
[16:25] <instructor> as in grep finds a match for restart in it
[16:26] <ScottK> instructor: line 132 is where it starts.
[16:26] <ScottK> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kdebase-workspace/ubuntu/annotate/head:/debian/kdm.init
[16:26] <instructor> ScottK: It's a blob for me
[16:26] <ScottK> Anyone had X get killed on Jaunty from the PPA?
[16:26] <rgreening> kdm puked again
[16:26] <shtylman_> ewww
[16:26] <rgreening> ScottK: evand is rewriting some backend bits to move to devicekit-disks (replacing HAL)
[16:27] <rgreening> ScottK: so, it will take a bit longer for that to hit main. for now my PPA is only available
[16:27] <ScottK> rgreening: Can we get something in the interim?
[16:27] <instructor> actually I can cat it. It's only 88 lines long ScottK
[16:27] <instructor> No wait it's 89 with some weird null symbol in line 89
[16:27] <rgreening> ScottK: not afaik. evand needs to concentrate on fixing the backend. it's critical
[16:27] <instructor> should I pastebin it?
[16:28] <ScottK> rgreening: OK.
[16:28] <ScottK> instructor: Is it different than the link I pointed you to.
[16:28] <instructor> ScottK: oh not sure hold on
[16:28] <instructor> let me wget it
[16:30] <instructor> ScottK: They have different md5sums
[16:31] <ScottK> instructor: If you wget the web page that'll happen.
[16:31] <instructor> ScottK: one is 1268 lines long
[16:31] <instructor> ah of course :)
[16:31] <ScottK> Pastebin what you have.
[16:31] <ScottK> If you aren't sure
[16:32]  * Sime starts moving in the direction of GCDS.
[16:33] <instructor> ScottK: I'm going to go out on a limb and say it's differnt
[16:33] <ScottK> OK.  Pastebin please
[16:35] <instructor> http://pastebin.com/f703e6058<< KDM.init http://pastebin.com/f4c473a78 << /etc/init.d/kdm
[16:35] <instructor> ScottK: ^^^^
[16:37] <ScottK> instructor: What architecture are you running?
[16:38] <instructor> i386
[16:38] <instructor> i686 as reported by uname
[16:39] <instructor> I dont know if there was a kernel being installed at the same time helped cause the errors
[16:40] <ScottK> OK.
[16:41] <instructor> If I copy out the essence of the page to etc/init.d/kdm it should work?
[16:43] <ScottK> It should.  http://pastebin.com/f1bfad3bc is what is shipped in the .deb.
[16:43] <ScottK> Riddell: It looks like his init is corrupted and is not what is shipped in our .deb.
[16:44] <ScottK> instructor: Here's another idea ....
[16:44] <ScottK> instructor: wget http://launchpadlibrarian.net/28627342/kdm_4.2.95-0ubuntu2_i386.deb and then sudo dpkg -i kdm_4.2.95-0ubuntu2_i386.deb
[16:50] <instructor> ScottK: Apparently kdebase-workspace-kgreet-plugins is missing
[16:51] <maco> has anyone pointed out that kdewallpapers wants to overwrite a file that belongs to another package yet?
[16:52] <ScottK> maco: I don't think so.
[16:53] <instructor> maco: which file?
[16:53] <maco>  /usr/share/wallpapers/Blue_Curl/contents/images/1280x800.jpg
[16:53] <maco> it belongs to kdebase-workspace-wallpapers
[16:54] <ScottK> maco: What was the error message (it will also tell what package it used to be in)?
[16:54] <maco> did i just answer that?
[16:54] <maco> i think our messages collided mid-umm.......mid-internet
[16:55] <maco> or was that not the response you wanted?
[16:55] <ScottK> No.
[16:55] <maco> trying to overwrite `/usr/share/wallpapers/Blue_Curl/contents/images/1280x800.jpg', which is also in package kdebase-workspace-wallpapers
[16:55] <ScottK> That's the one.
[16:56] <ScottK> And which package was being installed at the time?
[16:56] <maco> kdewallpapers 4:4.2.90-0ubuntu1
[16:56] <ScottK> OK.
[16:59] <lex79> is fixed in kdeartwork 0buntu2
[16:59] <lex79> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdeartwork
[17:00] <ScottK> maco: ^^
[17:01] <maco> is that in the archive yet?
[17:01] <lex79> yes
[17:02] <maco> wow 121 updates in the last 14 hours
[17:03] <ScottK> We've been busy
[17:13] <ScottK> rgreening: How does your /etc/init.d/kdm look?
[17:13] <rgreening> ScottK: checking
[17:14]  * Trouble` is about to upgrade his third 4.3 beta 2 machine
[17:15] <rgreening> ScottK: looks normal to me. something in particular I need ot search for?
[17:15] <ScottK> did you see instructor's pastebin?
[17:15] <ScottK> It looks like his got corrupted somehow
[17:16] <lex79> my init http://paste.ubuntu.com/208248/
[17:17] <rgreening> ScottK: nope, my kdm same as stock.
[17:18] <ScottK> Hmm.
[17:18] <rgreening> he has diff issue... perhaps using Ext4 and had a sync issue...
[17:18] <ScottK> Perhaps.
[17:18] <ScottK> instructor: You definitely need to reinstall kdm.
[17:18] <Ke> is there any simple documentation to kde settings systems
[17:19] <instructor> ScottK: Can't relies on kdebase-workspace-kgreet-plugins
[17:19] <Ke> ie. what happens when you save/read settings and how do you do it
[17:19] <nixternal> anyone have issues with the new kernel at all?
[17:19] <nixternal> Ubuntu is fine but my Kubuntu box will not boot
[17:19] <instructor> Which needs kdebase-workspace
[17:20] <ScottK> instructor: reinstall kdm the way I said (with dpkg -i) and then do sudo apt-get -f install
[17:20] <maco> nixternal, tunnel interfaces are broken
[17:20] <instructor> ScottK: did all t hat
[17:20] <instructor> won't install
[17:20] <ScottK> Pastebin the error message
[17:21] <nixternal> maco: is that causing usplash not to come up?
[17:21] <ScottK> Actually pastebin everything you got told.
[17:21] <maco> i wasnt watching when 2.6.31 booted
[17:21] <nixternal> actually it is more than that, because it gets to the part where the screen gets smaller and then goes black
[17:21] <maco> it is causing openvpn to be broken
[17:21] <mgraesslin> thanks for the RC packages - great job :-D
[17:21] <nixternal> well, i can't even boot with the new kernel
[17:21] <maco> fun fun
[17:22]  * JontheEchidna wonders if anybody has packaged aurorae yet
[17:23] <mgraesslin> JontheEchidna: nobody has told me to update the links on kde-look.org so I guess no
[17:28] <Trouble`> KDM bombed out again *sniff*
[17:28] <instructor> ScottK: http://pastebin.com/f1b632446
[17:29] <ScottK> instructor: That looks like it installed.
[17:30] <instructor> ScottK: ok apt-get -f install is handling the kdebase-workspace-bin error now
[17:32] <JontheEchidna> mgraesslin: could you please include COPYING in the tarball?
[17:32] <maco> nixternal, it did kernel panic just after login for me on the first boot
[17:32] <mgraesslin> JontheEchidna: what do you need in COPYING?
[17:32] <JontheEchidna> a copy of the GPL
[17:32] <mgraesslin> complete license or just author information?
[17:32] <mgraesslin> ok
[17:33] <JontheEchidna> /usr/share/common-licenses/GPL-2
[17:33] <mgraesslin> I'll prepare a new package with commits from svn
[17:33] <JontheEchidna> cool, thanks
[17:35] <Unksi> anyone else have problems starting up kopete?
[17:37] <instructor> ScottK: http://pastebin.com/f4570f8ab
[17:38]  * JontheEchidna testbuilds the package
[17:38] <instructor> ScottK: yes it installed
[17:38] <ScottK> instructor: Using ext4?
[17:39] <instructor> ScottK: umm hold on I forget :-)
[17:39] <instructor> Nope
[17:39] <maco> eek. updates have filled /
[17:39] <maco> i just did an apt-get clean last night :(
[17:40] <ScottK> instructor: OK.  It looks like you've got some kind of corruption issue going on. I'd suggest hand downloading and installing the .deb for each package that has an error there.
[17:40] <JontheEchidna> maybe you have a lot of old kernels installed taking up disk space?
[17:40] <JontheEchidna> maco: ^
[17:40] <maco> oooo yeah...
[17:40] <JontheEchidna> that's what usually happens to me
[17:41] <maco> though /var being 1gb on its own seems rather high too
[17:41] <ScottK> instructor: I think  libtidy-0.99-0 and libqjson0
[17:41] <maco> baobab says /boot is only 84mb
[17:42] <maco> i do find it interesting that df -h says my / is 9.2gb, 8.8gb in use, 0.0 available
[17:42] <maco> something about that math seems strange
[17:44] <mgraesslin> JontheEchidna: new tarball is uploaded
[17:45] <JontheEchidna> mgraesslin: thanks
[17:45] <maco> JontheEchidna, ooooh i see why i am lately able to fill a 10gb /  ...back when 10gb was enough to hold everything, i didnt install tons of -dev and -dbg packages
[17:45] <maco>  /usr/lib/debug is 1.2gb on its own
[17:46]  * JontheEchidna bumped his up to 12
[17:49] <instructor> X feels very very slow :(
[17:54] <maco> who was saying plasma-desktop crashed a lot? i change my mind. i agree with them.
[18:01] <instructor> maco: I can't tell if it crashes. I know that X starts moving very slowly then I kernel panic
[18:10] <JontheEchidna> mgraesslin: looks like a 4 hour wait: https://edge.launchpad.net/~echidnaman/+archive/ppa
[18:11] <maco> ooo new theme!
[18:11] <maco> it has stripes...
[18:14] <JontheEchidna> sexy: http://imagebin.ca/view/hXA3W2nZ.html
[18:14] <instructor> ScottK: seems back on track now. I removed those two packages and dropped them from the cache and everything else installs fine without them
[18:15] <JontheEchidna> hmm, jpeg makes my fonts look horrible
[18:16] <maco> JontheEchidna, your panel doesnt appear to have diagonal stripes of higher opacity like mine does
[18:16] <maco> i like that kwin theme
[18:17] <maco> kinda makes me wish my wm had borders
[18:17]  * JontheEchidna might have an old version of the panel theme hanging around
[18:17] <mgraesslin> JontheEchidna: sad so I can
[18:17] <mgraesslin> 't test today :-(
[18:21] <JontheEchidna> anybody wanna revu the package? http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/kwin-style-aurorae
[18:22]  * vorian has a free moment
[18:22] <JontheEchidna> thanks
[18:23] <JontheEchidna> oh, wow: kwin-style-aurorae_0.1.1-0ubuntu1.diff.gz  	1337 Bytes
[18:23] <JontheEchidna> the packaging is exactly 1337 bytes
[18:23] <vorian> it's a sign
[18:23] <JontheEchidna> WIN
[18:27] <vorian> now this is sick http://imagebin.ca/view/zdZVZE.html
[18:27] <vorian> JontheEchidna: good from me
[18:28] <JontheEchidna> now we must upload it and never update it so that it always stays 1337 bytes
[18:28] <vorian> works for me
[18:45] <rgreening> lol
[18:45] <shtylman_> I would like to query the x server to the unicode character corresponding to a certain kersym/keycode given a certain keyboard layout ... ideas anyone?
[18:56] <ScottK> Riddell: Any thoughts on refactoring our seeds from desktop and netbook to kubuntu-common + desktop and netbook with only the (small) differences between them?
[19:08] <maco> seele, i see what you mean in kate. "abort closing" is rather confusing
[19:09] <maco> seele, that string is when its asking if you really want to quit without saving. "Do Not Close" makes more sense than "Abort Closing" ...especially with one of the other buttons being "Do Not Save"
[19:17] <seele> maco: sounds good to me
[19:43] <Monika|K> I find "abort closing" totally clear
[19:44] <lex79> ScottK: launchpad bug 394818
[19:44] <maco> it gets that weird double-negative thing to me
[19:44] <lex79> ScottK: fixed in bzr
[19:45] <ScottK> lex79: Looking
[19:45] <lex79> ok
[19:45] <Quintasan_> I hate to admit it but Amarok really sucks :/
[19:46] <ScottK> Quintasan: What do you think of Juk?
[19:47] <Quintasan> hmm let's try it
[19:47] <Quintasan> I used minirok but it's too simple
[19:48] <Quintasan> Amarok would be okay but it's a resource hog, when I maximize it from tray it takes ~10sec to paint the interface :/
[19:48] <Monika|K> 10 seconds? what kind of slow computer are you using?
[19:48] <maco> can anyone think of any other apps that use abort instead of cancel? kontact and kate are all ive got so far
[19:49] <Monika|K> Are you running it on your graphic calculator? ^^
[19:49] <blizzz> juk is a pain
[19:49] <Quintasan> Monika|K: thanks, AMD Athlon 64 3000+. Radeon 9550 and 1,5 GB memory
[19:49] <Monika|K> strange
[19:49] <Monika|K> maco sorry, can't tell, they both get translated to Abbrechen, so I don't notice the difference
[19:50] <maco> Monika|K, ah. theyre swapped about all over the place in kde to the point that you'll see one in the tooltip and the other when you click the button in kmail
[19:51]  * Quintasan sometimes wants to throw his box trough the window
[19:53] <lex79> JontheEchidna: where is aurorae package ? :)
[19:54] <maco> oooh krunner's pretty. i like the way the highlight swoops from item to item as you move the mouse
[19:54] <Quintasan> aurorae? it's the new plasma decoration?
[19:54] <lex79> window decoration
[19:55] <JontheEchidna> lex79: in queue in my ppa, pending acceptance in the ubuntu archive
[19:55] <lex79> thanks
[19:55]  * Quintasan adds another PPA to his ultra unstable box
[19:55] <Quintasan> :D
[19:55] <lex79> lol
[19:59] <Quintasan> ScottK: hmm JuK seems to be good :P
[20:00] <Quintasan> but I miss the shoutcast library, looks like you can't have everything :P
[20:01] <Quintasan> lol @ estimted build start
[20:03] <ScottK> lex79: Uploaded.  Thank you for your contribution to Kubuntu
[20:03] <lex79> :)
[20:24] <maco> uh..... kdelibs has a debian/patches with a LOT of patches in it, but there's no series file. i'm confused.
[20:24] <Riddell> kdelibs from KDE 3 uses simple-patchsys which doesn't need a series file
[20:24] <Riddell> kde4libs from KDE 4 uses quilt which odes
[20:24] <Riddell> does
[20:25] <Riddell> ScottK: desktop-common makes sense, what does ubuntu do?
[20:26] <ScottK> Riddell: It's completely separate, but Ubuntu desktop and mobile are much more different than Kubuntu desktop and netbook will be.
[20:26] <ScottK> They don't even build out of the same seed collection/meta package source.
[20:26] <ScottK> They are also managed separately.
[20:29] <maco> Riddell, ah ok thanks
[20:30] <maco> whats the difference between kdelibs4 and kdelibs4c2?
[20:31] <dtchen> heh
[20:31] <dtchen> that harkens back to breezy
[20:32] <maco> kde4 existed back then?
[20:32] <dtchen> it was the g++ 3.4/4.0 abi transition
[20:32] <dtchen> kdelibs4 != kde4
[20:32] <maco> oh
[20:32] <maco> kdelibs5 then?
[20:32] <dtchen> read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyToolchainTransition if you want some of the history
[20:33] <maco> i cant figure out what package corresponds to svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk/KDE/kdelibs
[20:34] <ScottK> maco: Should be kde4libs
[20:35] <ScottK> (source)
[20:36] <maco> ummm..... now im getting into the annoying difference between apt-get source and something else, right? just like when you try to apt-get source on the kernel and just get linux-meta?
[20:36] <Riddell> maco: there isn't a kdelibs4, there is a kde4libs which is the source for KDE 4's libs
[20:36] <Riddell> kdelibs4c2a is the binary from KDE 3 libs (the KDE version and the SONAME version don't match alas)
[20:39] <maco> Riddell, but apt-get source kde4libs is not possible. there's some other way to get the source package based on its name instea of a derivative binary package, isnt there?
[20:41] <Riddell> apt-get source kde4libs  works fine here
[20:41] <Riddell> you could also use   apt-get source kdelibs5
[20:42] <dtchen> unless you want the bits for kde "3.5.10", in which case you'd apt-get source kdelibs (in karmic)
[20:42] <maco> hm interesting. it does work, just doesnt show up in tab completion suggestions
[20:48] <nixternal> ScottK: you want to get together within the next week and start discussing making Kubuntu Netbook Edition totally rock...see what all we need? I should have a netbook by tomorrow I think so I will be able to spend some time on it
[20:48] <ScottK> nixternal: Sure.  Mine is delayed to July 14 now.
[20:49] <nixternal> groovy
[20:49] <ScottK> nixternal: First thing we need is to find someone in Paris to go pry the netbook default settings out of Tonio's hands.
[20:49] <ScottK> nixternal: We have #kubuntu-netbook
[20:49] <nixternal> I am going to play around with some other netbook os' and see what I like and dislike and maybe come up with a list of what we can use or improve and get some ideas
[20:51] <dtchen> maco: i've fixed the volume ramping for the IDTs, so if you need to wipe my HP Mini, have at it.
[20:52] <maco> dtchen, for playing with kne?
[20:52] <dtchen> maco: sure.
[20:52] <maco> dtchen, yay toys!
[20:53] <maco> dtchen, i need to reinstall betty umm.....lets go with tomorrow too. have to up / by a few more gb
[20:53] <maco> or hmm "by a few G more B"?
[20:54] <dtchen> i'm travelling tomorrow, but you know where the hw is located.
[20:54] <maco> dtchen, thanks ;)
[20:54] <maco> dtchen, on the floor?
[20:57] <neversfelde> is someone using the icecc pbuilder hook?
[21:03] <nixternal> hey, no lover scheming in the damn channel!
[21:05] <ScottK> neversfelde: hsitter uses it.
[21:06] <neversfelde> ScottK: thanks, I will ask him when he returns
[21:08] <nixternal> t-minus 44 hours until the Tour de France. VIVA LA FRANC
[21:08] <nixternal> e
[21:08] <nixternal> E
[21:09] <maco> nixternal, floor = location of hw. hw = hp mini 10
[21:09] <nixternal> oh man, the hp mini is so hawt!
[21:10] <james_w> hey hey Kubuntu
[21:10] <nixternal> it has the greatest keyboard ever..I am really excited to play with my new Dell 10v when it gets here
[21:10] <nixternal> wasabi Mr. Westby
[21:10] <james_w> there's a few grumbles in bug 353278
[21:10] <nixternal> what are you planning on breaking james_w that brings you here? :p
[21:10] <james_w> heh, not this time :-)
[21:11] <james_w> there's people that can't update their systems due apparently to policykit crashing
[21:11] <nixternal> yes, we did that purposely, so when you are away your cat can upgrade your system
[21:11] <nixternal> ScottK: who is working on pk stuff for us?
[21:11] <james_w> ah, feline computing, neat
[21:11] <ScottK> nixternal: You mean packagekit?  I think Tonio mostly.
[21:11] <nixternal> yes, Ubuntu is only for human beings, Kubuntu covers everything
[21:12] <james_w> that the error appears in ~/.xsession-errors suggests it is the authentication agent that is making the bad call
[21:12] <james_w> pretty irritating that it doesn't give you a process name or a backtrace or anything
[21:13] <james_w> if someone with the requisite skills can reproduce then working out which process it is will be easy
[21:13] <nixternal> that is an iteresting little bugger
[21:13] <ScottK> james_w: Part of the problem is that policykit is a KDE 4.4 target (Karmic +1) so what support we do have is a bit spotty.
[21:13] <james_w> ah
[21:14] <ScottK> nixternal: For policykit I don't think anyone has focused on it.
[21:14] <ScottK> nixternal: I'd say go for it.
[21:14] <james_w> I've tried looking at the code a bit, but the abstraction via qt is foxing me
[21:15] <instructor> Kaffiene?
[21:16] <ScottK> What about it?
[21:18] <instructor> is it buildable for Koala?
[21:19] <ScottK> Yes.  It's our default media player in Karmic
[21:19] <instructor> Hmm havne'
[21:19] <instructor> t noticed yet
[21:20] <lex79> damn...forget to backport kdepim-runtime :(
[21:20] <lex79> I'm going to do
[21:21] <james_w> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=197115 looks possibly related
[21:29] <lex79> http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2009/07/rc1-package-by-any-other-name.html
[21:34] <james_w> I'm starting to peel some of the layers off
[21:34] <james_w> the incorrect usage of dbus_set_error seems to be a policykit bug
[21:34] <james_w> but it does mean that they are getting an error when they request auth
[21:41] <lex79> kdepim-runtime uploaded to backport
[21:52]  * txwikinger_work enjoys the KDE 4.3 release candidate
[22:21] <instructor> I have 4 kio_http processes taking up 100% of my CPU
[22:21] <instructor> Anyone seen anything like that
[22:21] <instructor> I think they might be linked to arora
[22:22] <JontheEchidna> arora wouldn't use kio's
[22:24] <instructor> That was my thought as well
[22:24] <maco> i usually see it for kio_imap...perfectly normal behaviour for kmail
[22:25] <instructor> but arora is the only thing close to using the same amount of CPU as those
[22:25] <maco> akregator maybe?
[22:25] <instructor> Don't have kmail or akregator open
[22:25] <instructor> I bet I know what it is. The opendesktop plasmoid
[22:36] <instructor> Yep looks like opendesktop
[22:36] <instructor> Might be a lower level kdedaemon bug
[22:39] <instructor> Ah no. Seems it was planetkde
[22:48] <Pollywog> I was sent here from #kde-devel.  I have some Kopete crashes in the Neon nightly builds.  Are there dbg packages for the Neon nightly builds?  I thought the Amarok nightly package contained them but apparently not.
[22:56] <instructor> Pollywog: There are two neon packages one for KDE and one for Amarok. I can see the confusion
[22:57] <Pollywog> instructor, ty
[23:31] <maco> ok this is totally *not* my imagination
[23:31] <maco> all the knotify popups are gone
[23:31] <maco> that my volume is up is the only reason im even aware when i get a pm
[23:45] <maco> seele, kdebugdialog has an "abort on fatal errors" checkbox. i'm assuming this should not change, since SIGABORT is a real thing and this is one of those things developers see and it makes sense to them and non-dev users just dont see