[00:00] <RAOF> Yeah, mine thinks that too.
[00:07] <DanaG> And if I boot with modeset, it sets an invalid res... so I can't see what xrandr claims.
[05:14] <alkisg> I'm having problems with dkms with both the nvidia proprietary drivers and the nouveau drivers, i.e. it reports "failed" so I have to use the vesa driver. Help?
[05:17] <BluesKaj> which nvidia
[05:17] <alkisg> BluesKaj: both 180 and 173. 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: nVidia Corporation G84 [GeForce 8600M GT] [10de:0407] (rev a1)
[05:19] <BluesKaj> which card , the 180 doesn't cover all the GEForce cards, unfortunately  you have to search for a unique driver in some cases
[05:20] <alkisg> BluesKaj: I've put the output of lspci -nn above: [GeForce 8600M GT] [10de:0407]
[05:20] <alkisg> BluesKaj: it's been working with the 180 driver in jaunty
[05:22] <BluesKaj> alkisg, so what's your problem ?
[05:22] <alkisg> BluesKaj: the problem is that dkms failes to compile it, so I can't use the driver.
[05:23] <BluesKaj> why are you compiling , you can't install the driver with apt ?
[05:23] <alkisg> BluesKaj: do you know what dkms is?
[05:24] <alkisg> I _did_ install it with apt
[05:24] <alkisg> That's how this drivers work, with dkms.
[05:24] <BluesKaj> I have an idea about it but i must confess I'm not well versed
[05:24] <alkisg> OK, dkms is needed in order to compile the module again different kernel headers
[05:25] <BluesKaj> I'm using the 180 driver , but i've never had to deal with dkms , caus it seems to work just fine
[05:25] <alkisg> That's the normal procedure, when you install nvidia or flxgr with apt, then dkms is called automatically
[05:25] <RAOF> Yes; and it currently won't build against 2.6.31.
[05:26] <alkisg> You do use it, but you haven't noticed it is seem.
[05:26] <alkisg> RAOF: THANK YOU!
[05:26] <alkisg> I wondered if there was something wrong with my installation.
[05:26] <alkisg> RAOF: but I'm also having problems downgrading to the previous kernel, which worked.
[05:26] <RAOF> And this will be fixed when one of two things happen: (a) nVidia updates their driver, (b) we find a nice, trivial patch to apply ourselves.
[05:27] <RAOF> alkisg: That, I don't know about.
[05:27] <RAOF> alkisg: What problems?  You shouldn't _need_ to downgrade to the previous kernel, either.  It'll remain installed, right?
[05:27] <alkisg> I.e. I tried purgin the nvidia drivers, booting with 2.6.30-8-generic, and installing there; but then I got the same dkms problem
[05:27] <RAOF> Why purge the nvidia drivers?
[05:28] <alkisg> RAOF: yes, it did, but again, it didn't compile, that's why I tried purging later on
[05:28] <RAOF> You'd need to make sure that you've got the appropriate linux-headers package installed - linux-headers-2.6.30-8-generic, if you're trying to use the -8-generic kernel.
[05:28] <alkisg> Ah, maybe the new kernel put new symlinks somewhere?
[05:29] <alkisg> ...makes sense... so I wonder if I completely removed the new kernel, if that would work...
[05:29] <alkisg> (or I could restore the symlinks myself, if I knew which ones)
[05:31] <RAOF> alkisg: Just install the right headers package.
[05:31] <RAOF> alkisg: Do you have the linux-headers-2.6.30-8-generic package installed?
[05:31] <alkisg> RAOF: yes, both of them are installed (30 and 31)
[05:32] <RAOF> No, you misunderstand me.  _Which_ one of the 2.6.30 headers are installed?
[05:32] <alkisg> linux-headers-2.6.30-8 and linux-headers-2.6.30-8-generic
[05:33] <RAOF> And "uname -a" says...
[05:33] <alkisg> Linux alkis 2.6.31-1-generic #13-Ubuntu SMP Fri Jun 26 16:53:22 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux
[05:33] <alkisg> RAOF: and I also have linux-headers-2.6.31-1 installed
[05:33] <RAOF> Yes, but as you've found, nvidia isn't going to build against 2.6.31
[05:33] <alkisg> (I booted with the new kernel, but I've kept the old one)
[05:34] <alkisg> RAOF: sure, do you want me to reboot with the .30 kernel?
[05:34] <RAOF> Yup.  dkms should rebuild the module for you.
[05:34] <alkisg> RAOF: did that, but it failed.
[05:34] <alkisg> Let me reboot again and we'll try whatever ideas we get.
[05:34] <RAOF> And you definitely had the right kernel headers installed when you booted? :)
[05:34] <RAOF> Yeah.
[05:34] <alkisg> Yes
[05:35] <alkisg> OK, rebooting...
[05:35] <alkisg> (thanks!)
[05:35] <RAOF> It's much easier to try to get dkms to build against your running kernel.
[05:35] <mase_work> one of the downsides of binary only drivers
[05:35] <alkisg> mase_work: I get that with xserver-xorg-driver-nouveau as well
[05:35] <RAOF> Well, no.  This is a downside of out-of-tree drivers.
[05:35] <RAOF> Indeed.  nouveau _also_ needs updating for 2.6.31.  That'll happen once the rest of the nouveau stack is ready, however.
[05:36] <alkisg> brb
[05:37] <DanaG> http://www.michaeldavies.org/weblog/2007/Aug/27
[05:43] <alkisg> dkms worked fine now (!), rebooting to test...
[05:47] <alkisg> RAOF: everything works now with the old kernel. I still don't know what I did wrong the previous time I tried it, but I'm fine with it now. Thank you! :)
[06:09] <boxjon> Hello all
[06:11] <boxjon> is there any new or improved features in karmic other then kernel 2.6.30?
[06:16] <DanaG> chroot: cannot run command `/bin/bash': Exec format error
[06:16] <DanaG> trying to chroot to Jaunty 64-bit.
[06:18] <DanaG> hmm, is the xinput2 PPA supposed to have keycode>255 support?
[06:18] <DanaG> It doesn't seem to work for me.
[06:18] <DanaG> (WW) AT Translated Set 2 keyboard: unable to handle keycode 465
[06:18] <DanaG> oh, and my notification area has all its icons invisible... yet present.  But invisible.
[06:26] <DanaG> odd... no xv or exa.
[06:27] <DanaG> aH, have to pass radeon.modeset=0
[06:36] <DanaG> argh, cannot chroot from karmic to jaunty.... exec format error.
[06:40] <DanaG> damn... metacity is not compiled with xinput2 support.
[06:45] <DanaG> sarvatt is the one who has the xinput2 PPA.
[06:47] <RAOF> Whoops!  Intel is _tremendously_ slow without drm :)
[06:50] <dholbach> Ubuntu Development and Packaging Q&A in 10m in #ubuntu-classroom
[06:52] <DanaG> nyargh, /me needs keycodes > 255!
[06:52] <DanaG> YARGH.
[07:34] <DanaG> damn, where are my keycodes >255?  =þ
[09:09] <holzmodem> hi, when I choose the "ondemand" goveror, the cpu is stuck a max. clock (without any load)... whats wrong?
[09:10] <|ns|nR8> both cores stuck at max ?
[09:11] <holzmodem> it's a single core pentium M 1.5ghz (dothan)
[09:12] <|ns|nR8> how much load is the cpu under at idle
[09:12] <holzmodem> i checked it with cpufreq-info, it says "ondemand" 600mhz - 15000mhz
[09:14] <holzmodem> hmm that is strange, top means ~80%
[09:14] <|ns|nR8> that would b why
[09:15] <holzmodem> if I add the values from the list below, it's max. ~10-15%
[09:16] <|ns|nR8> its not showing usage my all users
[09:17] <holzmodem> the heaviest process ist Xorg with ~8%, all other four are at ~1%
[09:19] <|ns|nR8> whats load average say
[09:19] <holzmodem> 4.15 4.01 3.22
[09:20] <|ns|nR8> wow
[09:20] <|ns|nR8> thats very high
[09:20] <|ns|nR8> mine says load average: 0.07, 0.15, 0.23
[09:21] <|ns|nR8> just been browsing net on single core 2ghz machine
[09:21] <holzmodem> could it be the new kernel?
[09:21] <|ns|nR8> possibly
[09:21] <|ns|nR8> some conflict going on
[09:22] <holzmodem> i do a reboot and try the old...
[09:38] <holzmodem> it's not the kernel, its compiz -.-
[09:41] <holzmodem> i think this is the bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/metacity/+bug/389686
[10:24] <holzmodem> how long does it took, to get updated packages in the repositories of karmic? especially php5
[10:54] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/284319
[11:18] <christophsturm> can someone recommend a gtk twitter client?
[11:47] <soc> hi
[11:47] <soc> should i report that bug? share a folder over smb, try to access it with nautilus with another pc
[11:48] <soc> youcan see the files, installing packages from smb fails and even copying the files to your local folders don't work
[11:49] <soc> 2DBUs error org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.InvalidArgs: Argument 2 is specified to be of type "boolean", but is actually of type "uint32"
[11:50] <m_tadeu> hi...after upgrading today, when I boot from the .31 kernel it says something like "no resume image" (don't quite remember the proper mesage)
[11:51] <m_tadeu> is this happening to anyone else?
[11:53] <christophsturm> m_tadeu: that probably just means that its not resuming from hibernate
[11:53] <iPoRn> m_tadeu, here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/103148
[11:53] <iPoRn> the same "problem"
[11:55] <iPoRn> you can add to your menu.lst on /boot/grub/ the following text at the end, and the error disappears : "noresume"
[11:55] <iPoRn> not sure if there's another way to take care of that problem, but...
[11:57] <christophsturm> m_tadeu: does it crash after that message, or are you just annoyed by the message?
[11:58] <m_tadeu> doesn't crash....actually it shows up the login line if I press enter
[11:58] <iPoRn> m_tadeu, try to do this: "sudo update-initramfs -u" it will take care of the problem, hopefully ;x
[11:59] <m_tadeu> hehe gonna try it then
[12:03] <m_tadeu> brb
[12:12] <m_tadeu> iPoRn: no luck...an update...it only displays the login line after I press ctrl+alt+del
[12:16] <vega> my karmic installation does not boot anymore, i just get [linux bzImage ..... ] and then a blinking cursor, nothing after that
[12:16] <vega> hardware is dell latitude d610
[12:17] <vega> it worked till some point so probably some upgrade broke it
[12:17] <iPoRn> thats weird
[12:17] <iPoRn> 'cos i've been reading about that "bug" on the lp
[12:17] <vega> ah, 2.6.30-9 boots, but -10 doesn't anymore
[12:17] <christophsturm> 2.6.31 doesnt boot for some, try 2.6.30
[12:18] <iPoRn> and it works for most of the people
[12:18] <vega> so -10 is broken somehow
[12:18] <vega> iPoRn: happen to remember bug id?
[12:18] <vega> i could report my story too
[12:19] <iPoRn> vega, sorry, i was talking to another user ;x
[12:19] <iPoRn> my bad, for not using the nick
[12:19] <vega> ok :)
[12:20] <christophsturm> vega: did you try 2.6.31.1-13 ?
[12:21] <vega> this sounds like my issue: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/391705
[12:21] <vega> christophsturm: not yet as i just managed to boot, just running upgrades now..
[12:22] <vega> hm .31 does not come with the upgrades, do i have to install it from some other repo?
[12:23] <christophsturm> i got it yesterday
[12:23] <christophsturm> try a different mirror
[12:24] <vega> ok
[12:43] <bushwakko> Karmic hangs just after grub with the words "Starting up ..."
[12:43] <bushwakko> 2.6.30
[12:45] <dupondje> bushwakko: try removing the silent quiet
[12:45] <dupondje> and see what u get ;)
[12:47] <vega> christophsturm: .31 works
[12:48] <vega> bushwakko: which 2.6.30, -9 or -10 ?
[12:48] <vega> mine hangs with -10 but not with -9
[12:48] <vega> and newest kernel 2.6.31 seems to boot also
[13:43] <TheFuzzball> why is fglrx not working?
[13:43] <TheFuzzball> When I try to install manually I get "Error: ./default_policy.sh does not support version"
[13:43] <TheFuzzball> And the fglrx from repos doesn't work
[14:35] <m_tadeu> the new (h)air style is pretty cool
[14:46] <BluesKaj> Howdy
[15:41] <maco> anyone noticed issues with hostname resolution?
[15:41] <BluesKaj> was upgrading in the terminal when suddenly the OS dropped to a TTY....what gives ?
[15:41] <hggdh> maco, what problem(s)?
[15:42] <maco> hggdh, the first dns server in /etc/resolv.conf is skipped every time.  if its the only one, then i'm told i dont have any nameservers. if i specify it on the command line "host <name> <ns>" it still doesnt use it
[15:45] <hggdh> maco, let me try it here (but I think I am working fine so far)
[15:46] <hggdh> maco, are you using n-m?
[15:46] <maco> no
[15:47] <maco> n-m was broken for wpa2 in kde last i checked. i just use /etc/network/interfaces
[15:47] <hggdh> oh
[15:48]  * hggdh now considers getting back to kde later on ;-)
[15:49] <hggdh> maco, I cannot repeat it here (under Gnome and n-m), and I cannot fire kde rigth now...
[15:59] <maco> hggdh, ok
[15:59] <maco> it looks like its not "first nameserver" afterall...just this specific nameserver
[16:01] <BluesKaj> "router" nameserver ?
[16:08] <maxb> Could someone test whether this is broken for everyone or just me? Run "info <any info page>" - are the Menu items missing?
[16:11] <BluesKaj> maxb, try info grub , check output
[16:12] <maxb> oh, i have a menu there
[16:12] <maxb> interesting
[16:12] <maxb> but not in "info bash" or "info readline"
[16:14] <instructor> ha ha
[16:14] <instructor> justdid a dist-upgrade and it hosed X
[16:14] <instructor> known issue?
[16:15] <instructor> restart is not a known option
[16:16] <instructor> stop says that / is busy
[16:40] <BluesKaj> instructor, yeah , same here, dropped down to a TTY
[16:40] <instructor> BluesKaj: getting filesystem errors?
[16:41] <BluesKaj> instructor, no, I rebooted and so far so good
[16:41] <instructor> BluesKaj: Got back GUI?
[16:41] <BluesKaj> yeah X started np
[16:43] <instructor> Still screwed herer for me
[16:45] <BluesKaj> instructor, using grub2 ?
[16:47] <instructor> Yes
[16:48] <BluesKaj> is grub2 totally enabled or just in the test phase ?
[16:49] <BluesKaj> I dumped grub2 cuz it wasn't seeing X
[16:49] <BluesKaj> it was just in the test phase tho, I hadn't enabled it
[16:50] <SeveredCross> GRUB and X have nothing to do with each other.
[16:51] <BluesKaj> there's some debate about that SeveredCross, but I can't recall what the conflict is
[16:53] <instructor> how does grub not See X?
[16:53] <instructor> when did grub ever see X ?
[16:55] <BluesKaj> maybe my choice of words is incorrect but when i got rid of grub2 then HAL was accessible
[16:55] <maxb> Not sure if this is karmic-specific or not, but I seem to have a /usr/share/info/dir *and* a /usr/share/info/dir.gz, both with a recent mtime... what's up with that?
[17:01] <BluesKaj> instructor, maybe that was apoor choice of words , but when i got rid of grub2 then HAL was accessible...does that make sense to you ?
[17:04] <instructor> ok
[17:05] <instructor> kernel jsut froze
[17:05] <BluesKaj> oh yeah and I also dumped the latest kernel-image...should have mentioned that too
[17:06] <BluesKaj> was able to recover by using the previous kernel
[17:07] <Zorael> Is keyserver.ubuntu.com down?
[17:09] <BluesKaj> Zorael, seems so
[17:13] <m_tadeu> when my laptop is idle for some time, I can't get the desktop back....everything seems to be working, 'cos I have music, the disk is active....but black screen, no ctrl+alt+f1, nothing
[17:20] <instructor> hi nixternal
[17:20] <nixternal> anyone having issues with the latest kernel? goes from the loading blah blah and when it goes to usplash I just get a black screen
[17:22] <yofel> nixternal: nvidia/fglrx driver?
[17:22] <nixternal> no, it doesn't even get to x
[17:23] <nixternal> intel
[17:23] <yofel> does disabling KMS help?
[17:23] <yofel> add i915.modeset=0 to the kernel boot line
[17:23] <nixternal> haven't tried
[17:24] <nixternal> doing that makes your computer junk so it is a waste of time
[17:26] <yofel> nixternal: whats your gdm version?
[17:34] <nixternal> yofel: this is on Kubuntu, doesn't even get that far..issue seems to be with device-mapper
[17:35] <m_tadeu> guess  I'm having the exact same problem here...
[17:37] <Unksi> anyone else have problems starting up kopete after upgrade?
[17:37] <nixternal> m_tadeu: same exact problem as me?
[17:37] <m_tadeu> yup
[17:38] <m_tadeu> with th e.31 kernel, right?
[17:38] <nixternal> are you getting some timeout message followed by something like "sda* is misaligned"?
[17:38] <nixternal> ya, 31
[17:39] <m_tadeu> only a black screen...if I change to the ctrl+alt+f1 I get something like "no resume image" or something like that
[17:52] <TheFuzzball> Where has WPA2 gone from the list of wireless security options, I only have WEP, WPA-PSK and WPA-EAP
[17:57] <nixternal> m_tadeu: are you using encryption?
[17:57] <BluesKaj> TheFuzzball, dunno I had the same trouble , but I switched to WPA-PSK and everything seems ok
[17:58] <m_tadeu> nixternal: ibn the file system? nop
[18:01] <instructor> nixternal: what version of the kernel package?
[18:01] <nixternal> 31
[18:07] <nixternal> -1.13...sorry about that
[18:07] <TheFuzzball> BluesKaj, You mean you switched your router to WPA-PSK?
[18:15] <instructor> nixternal: ok thanks
[18:18] <mphill> is sound messed up or did my upgrade fail maybe?
[18:19] <coz_> mphill,  last I upgraded my sound died also
[18:19] <mphill> nice
[18:19] <coz_> mphill,  havent upgrade recently t hough
[18:19] <coz_> mphill,  do you have an higher end sound card?
[18:19] <mphill> maybe?
[18:20] <mphill> asus xonar d7 or soemthing
[18:20] <mphill> it was like 80 bucks
[18:20] <coz_> mphill,  ok just curious .. I have a pro sound card and the card died sort of  although it started fine during boot the system said it wasnt working and it wasnt
[18:20] <coz_> mphill,  although I have to compile my own driver for this card
[18:21] <mphill> coz_: try sudo also force-reload next time
[18:21] <mphill> also = alsa
[18:21] <mphill> that reloads everything
[18:21] <mphill> sometimes that can help if it just dies in the middle of working
[18:21] <coz_> mphill,  wasnt the issue   I even re compiled the driver
[18:21] <mphill> better than a reboot
[18:22] <mphill> coz_: well things are still broken i think
[18:22] <coz_> mphill,  good to know I wont try karmic for a while then :)
[18:22] <mphill> i normally try to start using alphas around the 4th release
[18:22] <mphill> but i always get curious
[18:23] <coz_> :)
[18:24] <coz_> mphill,  i understand, and considering this is alpha2  I am still impressed
[19:35] <amikrop> Hello. Has anybody heard if there are any plans of Canonical cooperating, making a deal, or partner with a big software/hardware vendor like Apple, Blizzard or SEGA, for example?
[19:36] <amikrop> Because iTunes for linux is more than a "must".
[19:36] <amikrop> As is big game title porting.
[19:37] <SeveredCross> Not gonna happen.
[19:40] <amikrop> SeveredCross: Never? How can you say that? So, what, we should all abandon linux?
[19:40] <amikrop> It's always gonna be in the dark?
[19:41] <amikrop> No hardware support? No software support? It's just unfair.
[19:42] <amikrop> That would be a true hero of the open source community: Someone who would spend a lot of money to "buy" continuous linux porting, device driver development and such stuff.
[19:42] <amikrop> I mean, a very reach one.
[19:45] <SeveredCross> I doubt anyone has that much money to throw at every vendor out there.
[19:45] <SeveredCross> Plus, why do we want Windows apps? There're plenty of apps on Linux that are as good or better than their Windows counterparts.
[19:46] <SeveredCross> Not to mention that Linux is, and most likely is going to remain, a minority platform.
[19:47] <SeveredCross> Even if it becomes easier to use than Windows, people aren't going to switch because a) being free, Linux seems to have little value--it doesn't cost anything, therefore it can't be good. b) Windows is what people know, it's accessible, and to them it *seems* to not cost them anything because they can always get a copy from a friend or it comes with their computer.
[19:47] <SeveredCross> They know that it is pricey, which is why it must have value, but it appears to be free because it's so easily accessible.
[19:48] <SeveredCross> So, being a minority platform, most device manufacturers have no impetus to write drivers--cash would grease their palms, but who knows if they would even want to, with cash.
[19:48] <SeveredCross> Not to mention that the drivers would likely be hacks that work poorly.
[19:49] <SeveredCross> And would consistently be out of date with the kernel interface, wouldn't be open source (most likely), etc.
[19:49] <SeveredCross> If you're going to pay for something, pay for open specifications.
[19:50] <danbhfive> SeveredCross: closed source drivers aren't that legal, AFAIK
[19:51] <SeveredCross> What?
[19:51] <SeveredCross> Of course they are...
[19:51] <SeveredCross> The nVidia drivers and ATI drivers are closed source.
[19:51] <SeveredCross> They have an open source blob, which is what gets made into a kernel module.
[19:52] <SeveredCross> The X driver itself is closed source, etc.
[19:55] <crdlb> I'm pretty sure the kernel module is not open source
[19:58] <BluesKaj> SeveredCross, a lot of MS users don't know what an operating system is , to them Windows is what a computer "is".
[19:58] <SeveredCross> crdlb: I thought it was, but I could be wrong.
[19:59] <crdlb> yep: Copyright 1999-2001 by NVIDIA Corporation.  All rights reserved.
[19:59] <SeveredCross> crdlb: No, it has to be.
[19:59] <SeveredCross> Ah, the source is available, but it's not open source.
[19:59] <crdlb> having the source code does not make it open source
[19:59] <SeveredCross> Yeah, I should've made that clearer.
[19:59] <crdlb> if somebody leaks the windows source code, it's not magically Free
[19:59] <SeveredCross> BluesKaj: And buying shitty ports of Windows apps to Linux is going to help that *how?*
[19:59] <alanbell> or good
[19:59] <SeveredCross> Those same people are going to turn around and go "Wow, Windows must be awesome if these people want to copy their apps."
[20:04] <BluesKaj> SeveredCross, some ppl just want familiarity and aren't adventurous
[20:05] <m_tadeu> most people I know don't even know that there are other OSs
[20:06] <BluesKaj> m_tadeu, I think that's the norm , unfortunately
[20:08] <m_tadeu> but then again....if people are not looking for alternatives, they'll never know abou them
[20:17] <hggdh> warning: when you upgrade to the latest GDM (the unstable one just put available, you may lose your X session, and will have to re-login.
[20:20] <m_tadeu> the same happened with kdm
[20:22] <hggdh> interesting
[20:23] <hggdh> hum. it *might* have been kdm, in my case, just remembered both gdm and kdm were updated...
[20:23]  * hggdh digs into the atp and dpkg logs
[20:25] <amikrop> SeveredCross: So, there's no hope?
[20:25] <amikrop> There will never ever be any hope?
[20:27] <DanaG> oh yeah, I tried the PulseAudio AirPortExpress support, and it has rather horrid latency.  =þ
[20:27] <amikrop> We have Linux counterparts for most of Windows software, but device drivers for specific harware, and games, like Football Manager or WoW, or iTunes (for full iPod/iPhone compatibility (sync, upgrade, restore, organize)) cannot have counterparts. :S
[20:27] <BluesKaj> hggdh, no kidding .. I had fun with that yesterday , but I had to get rid of the latest linux-image in order to get X back.
[20:28] <hggdh> BluesKaj, at least this was not a problem here (but when I booted 2.26.31 the first time two days ago I also had problems with CX. Not anymore
[20:29] <DanaG> Ugh, Audacity's audio output is absolutely garbage.
[20:31] <BluesKaj> hggdh, I had to back to 2.26.30 , but no upgrades have brought the latest kernel down the pipe.
[20:31] <BluesKaj> BBL...errands to do
[20:31] <DanaG> Oh, and it HANGS, too.
[20:32] <hggdh> BluesKaj, this is a different behaviour than with me. Interesting
[21:12] <mahfiaz> does the networkmanager work for you?
[21:12] <mahfiaz> also, what about USB-stick mounting
[21:13] <iPoRn> both with problems, network-manager, always says that i have no connection with cable, and usb-stick auto-mount, not working at all
[21:13] <mahfiaz> as you could assume, for me these doesn't, so I need to know if this is my configuration or common problem
[21:13] <iPoRn> and all the usb drives, it mount with really strange names
[21:15] <mahfiaz> good, today's (or yesterdays) update fixed the mounting problem, now it works fine
[21:16] <mahfiaz> but nm-applet still shows "Networkmanager is not working"
[21:17] <mahfiaz> NetworkManager --no-daemon exits with   Error: 'Connection ":1.801" is not allowed to own the service "org.freedesktop.NetworkManager" due to security policies in the configuration file'
[21:17] <mahfiaz> any clue about this file?
[21:19] <iPoRn> not really
[22:04] <BluesKaj> mahfiaz, try Wicd ..it replaces network manager and works well on both wifi and eth0
[22:04] <mahfiaz> BluesKaj, thanks for your suggestion
[22:05] <mahfiaz> I am aware of wicd, which works really well compared to networkmanager
[22:06] <mahfiaz> but I still prefer NM, only the number of strange and unbeliveable errors it has had and still has, is beyond me (my problem is configuratio mistake of udev)
[22:06] <BluesKaj> network manager is known to have stability inability to retain settings, probs
[22:09] <alanbell> I am also having trouble with network manager, but I want to stick with it
[22:09] <mahfiaz> alanbell, do you have the same problem?
[22:09] <alanbell> My wireless broke moving from Intrepid to Jaunty
[22:09] <alanbell> RT2500 PCI
[22:09] <alanbell> and I was using an Orange mobile broadband dongle
[22:10] <mahfiaz> and it works from cli?
[22:10] <alanbell> and Jaunty to karmic broke that
[22:10] <alanbell> no the RT2500 is broken from cli
[22:10] <alanbell> iwlist wlan0 scan returns no results
[22:10] <alanbell> but the mobile broadband thing is nw
[22:10] <alanbell> new rather
[22:11] <alanbell> the hso driver is loading
[22:11] <alanbell> it creates /dev/ttyHS0 etc
[22:11] <alanbell> but NM won't manage it
[22:11] <BluesKaj> !enter
[22:12] <alanbell> that could be securities or something maybe?
[22:15] <billybigrigger> BUGabundo::: hola
[22:17] <BUGabundo> boas noites
[22:17] <BUGabundo> ola billybigrigger
[22:17] <BUGabundo> has any one had trouble with nvidia and -31?
[22:17] <billybigrigger> you running the rc .31?
[22:17] <BUGabundo> mine aint starting
[22:17] <BUGabundo> just checked and seems I have a few module updates
[22:18] <billybigrigger> i think there was a fix for .31 rc1
[22:18] <billybigrigger> but i think nvidia is still borked in it
[22:19] <billybigrigger> what nvidia driver?
[22:19] <billybigrigger> 185.?????
[22:19] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: -30! can't use nvidia on -31
[22:20] <billybigrigger> nvidia 185.18.14-0ubuntu2 should work fine with .31
[22:20] <BUGabundo> let me finish updates
[22:21] <billybigrigger> yeah, im gonna give .31 a spin
[22:21] <billybigrigger> brb
[22:21] <billybigrigger> just finished my 185.18 update
[22:27] <billybigrigger> BUGabundo:::
[22:27] <billybigrigger> nvidia-glx-180:
[22:27] <billybigrigger>   Installed: 185.18.14-0ubuntu2
[22:27] <billybigrigger> 2.6.31-020631rc1-generic
[22:27] <billybigrigger> all good here
[22:27] <BUGabundo>   Installed: 185.18.14-0ubuntu1
[22:27] <BUGabundo>   Candidate: 185.18.14-0ubuntu2
[22:27] <BUGabundo>  
[22:27] <BUGabundo> guess I need updates!
[22:27] <billybigrigger> yeah, haven't come down your pipe yet?
[22:28] <billybigrigger> BUGabundo::: do you know how i can view more info on a package thats being held back?
[22:29] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: aptitude why PACKAGE
[22:29] <billybigrigger> i see there's a new linux-image-generic and headers being held back
[22:30] <billybigrigger> looks like .30-10 though
[22:35] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: $ sudo aptitude safe-upgrade
[22:36] <billybigrigger> BUGabundo::: you have any idea why dkms can't install my vbox networking module?
[22:36] <billybigrigger> vboxnetflt (2.2.4): Installing module.
[22:36] <billybigrigger> .......(bad exit status: 10)
[22:36] <billybigrigger>   Build failed.  Installation skipped.
[22:36] <billybigrigger> piss sorry for the flood
[22:37] <RAOF> billybigrigger: I'd guess that the vbox module can't build against the new kernel.
[22:37] <kenyon> billybigrigger: you have linux-headers installed?
[22:38] <RAOF>  /var/lib/dkms/$STUFF/make.log often has details
[22:38] <billybigrigger> yeah
[22:38] <billybigrigger> RAOF::: cool, will check that out
[22:39] <billybigrigger> http://pastebin.com/f7e5ef77a
[22:43] <RAOF> Yeah, looks like the virtualbox guys will need to update their kernel module.