| RAOF | Yeah, mine thinks that too. | 00:00 |
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| DanaG | And if I boot with modeset, it sets an invalid res... so I can't see what xrandr claims. | 00:07 |
| alkisg | I'm having problems with dkms with both the nvidia proprietary drivers and the nouveau drivers, i.e. it reports "failed" so I have to use the vesa driver. Help? | 05:14 |
| BluesKaj | which nvidia | 05:17 |
| alkisg | BluesKaj: both 180 and 173. 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: nVidia Corporation G84 [GeForce 8600M GT] [10de:0407] (rev a1) | 05:17 |
| BluesKaj | which card , the 180 doesn't cover all the GEForce cards, unfortunately you have to search for a unique driver in some cases | 05:19 |
| alkisg | BluesKaj: I've put the output of lspci -nn above: [GeForce 8600M GT] [10de:0407] | 05:20 |
| alkisg | BluesKaj: it's been working with the 180 driver in jaunty | 05:20 |
| BluesKaj | alkisg, so what's your problem ? | 05:22 |
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| alkisg | BluesKaj: the problem is that dkms failes to compile it, so I can't use the driver. | 05:22 |
| BluesKaj | why are you compiling , you can't install the driver with apt ? | 05:23 |
| alkisg | BluesKaj: do you know what dkms is? | 05:23 |
| alkisg | I _did_ install it with apt | 05:24 |
| alkisg | That's how this drivers work, with dkms. | 05:24 |
| BluesKaj | I have an idea about it but i must confess I'm not well versed | 05:24 |
| alkisg | OK, dkms is needed in order to compile the module again different kernel headers | 05:24 |
| BluesKaj | I'm using the 180 driver , but i've never had to deal with dkms , caus it seems to work just fine | 05:25 |
| alkisg | That's the normal procedure, when you install nvidia or flxgr with apt, then dkms is called automatically | 05:25 |
| RAOF | Yes; and it currently won't build against 2.6.31. | 05:25 |
| alkisg | You do use it, but you haven't noticed it is seem. | 05:26 |
| alkisg | RAOF: THANK YOU! | 05:26 |
| alkisg | I wondered if there was something wrong with my installation. | 05:26 |
| alkisg | RAOF: but I'm also having problems downgrading to the previous kernel, which worked. | 05:26 |
| RAOF | And this will be fixed when one of two things happen: (a) nVidia updates their driver, (b) we find a nice, trivial patch to apply ourselves. | 05:26 |
| RAOF | alkisg: That, I don't know about. | 05:27 |
| RAOF | alkisg: What problems? You shouldn't _need_ to downgrade to the previous kernel, either. It'll remain installed, right? | 05:27 |
| alkisg | I.e. I tried purgin the nvidia drivers, booting with 2.6.30-8-generic, and installing there; but then I got the same dkms problem | 05:27 |
| RAOF | Why purge the nvidia drivers? | 05:27 |
| alkisg | RAOF: yes, it did, but again, it didn't compile, that's why I tried purging later on | 05:28 |
| RAOF | You'd need to make sure that you've got the appropriate linux-headers package installed - linux-headers-2.6.30-8-generic, if you're trying to use the -8-generic kernel. | 05:28 |
| alkisg | Ah, maybe the new kernel put new symlinks somewhere? | 05:28 |
| alkisg | ...makes sense... so I wonder if I completely removed the new kernel, if that would work... | 05:29 |
| alkisg | (or I could restore the symlinks myself, if I knew which ones) | 05:29 |
| RAOF | alkisg: Just install the right headers package. | 05:31 |
| RAOF | alkisg: Do you have the linux-headers-2.6.30-8-generic package installed? | 05:31 |
| alkisg | RAOF: yes, both of them are installed (30 and 31) | 05:31 |
| RAOF | No, you misunderstand me. _Which_ one of the 2.6.30 headers are installed? | 05:32 |
| alkisg | linux-headers-2.6.30-8 and linux-headers-2.6.30-8-generic | 05:32 |
| RAOF | And "uname -a" says... | 05:33 |
| alkisg | Linux alkis 2.6.31-1-generic #13-Ubuntu SMP Fri Jun 26 16:53:22 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux | 05:33 |
| alkisg | RAOF: and I also have linux-headers-2.6.31-1 installed | 05:33 |
| RAOF | Yes, but as you've found, nvidia isn't going to build against 2.6.31 | 05:33 |
| alkisg | (I booted with the new kernel, but I've kept the old one) | 05:33 |
| alkisg | RAOF: sure, do you want me to reboot with the .30 kernel? | 05:34 |
| RAOF | Yup. dkms should rebuild the module for you. | 05:34 |
| alkisg | RAOF: did that, but it failed. | 05:34 |
| alkisg | Let me reboot again and we'll try whatever ideas we get. | 05:34 |
| RAOF | And you definitely had the right kernel headers installed when you booted? :) | 05:34 |
| RAOF | Yeah. | 05:34 |
| alkisg | Yes | 05:34 |
| alkisg | OK, rebooting... | 05:35 |
| alkisg | (thanks!) | 05:35 |
| RAOF | It's much easier to try to get dkms to build against your running kernel. | 05:35 |
| mase_work | one of the downsides of binary only drivers | 05:35 |
| alkisg | mase_work: I get that with xserver-xorg-driver-nouveau as well | 05:35 |
| RAOF | Well, no. This is a downside of out-of-tree drivers. | 05:35 |
| RAOF | Indeed. nouveau _also_ needs updating for 2.6.31. That'll happen once the rest of the nouveau stack is ready, however. | 05:35 |
| alkisg | brb | 05:36 |
| DanaG | http://www.michaeldavies.org/weblog/2007/Aug/27 | 05:37 |
| alkisg | dkms worked fine now (!), rebooting to test... | 05:43 |
| alkisg | RAOF: everything works now with the old kernel. I still don't know what I did wrong the previous time I tried it, but I'm fine with it now. Thank you! :) | 05:47 |
| boxjon | Hello all | 06:09 |
| boxjon | is there any new or improved features in karmic other then kernel 2.6.30? | 06:11 |
| DanaG | chroot: cannot run command `/bin/bash': Exec format error | 06:16 |
| DanaG | trying to chroot to Jaunty 64-bit. | 06:16 |
| DanaG | hmm, is the xinput2 PPA supposed to have keycode>255 support? | 06:18 |
| DanaG | It doesn't seem to work for me. | 06:18 |
| DanaG | (WW) AT Translated Set 2 keyboard: unable to handle keycode 465 | 06:18 |
| DanaG | oh, and my notification area has all its icons invisible... yet present. But invisible. | 06:18 |
| DanaG | odd... no xv or exa. | 06:26 |
| DanaG | aH, have to pass radeon.modeset=0 | 06:27 |
| DanaG | argh, cannot chroot from karmic to jaunty.... exec format error. | 06:36 |
| DanaG | damn... metacity is not compiled with xinput2 support. | 06:40 |
| DanaG | sarvatt is the one who has the xinput2 PPA. | 06:45 |
| RAOF | Whoops! Intel is _tremendously_ slow without drm :) | 06:47 |
| dholbach | Ubuntu Development and Packaging Q&A in 10m in #ubuntu-classroom | 06:50 |
| DanaG | nyargh, /me needs keycodes > 255! | 06:52 |
| DanaG | YARGH. | 06:52 |
| DanaG | damn, where are my keycodes >255? =þ | 07:34 |
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| holzmodem | hi, when I choose the "ondemand" goveror, the cpu is stuck a max. clock (without any load)... whats wrong? | 09:09 |
| |ns|nR8 | both cores stuck at max ? | 09:10 |
| holzmodem | it's a single core pentium M 1.5ghz (dothan) | 09:11 |
| |ns|nR8 | how much load is the cpu under at idle | 09:12 |
| holzmodem | i checked it with cpufreq-info, it says "ondemand" 600mhz - 15000mhz | 09:12 |
| holzmodem | hmm that is strange, top means ~80% | 09:14 |
| |ns|nR8 | that would b why | 09:14 |
| holzmodem | if I add the values from the list below, it's max. ~10-15% | 09:15 |
| |ns|nR8 | its not showing usage my all users | 09:16 |
| holzmodem | the heaviest process ist Xorg with ~8%, all other four are at ~1% | 09:17 |
| |ns|nR8 | whats load average say | 09:19 |
| holzmodem | 4.15 4.01 3.22 | 09:19 |
| |ns|nR8 | wow | 09:20 |
| |ns|nR8 | thats very high | 09:20 |
| |ns|nR8 | mine says load average: 0.07, 0.15, 0.23 | 09:20 |
| |ns|nR8 | just been browsing net on single core 2ghz machine | 09:21 |
| holzmodem | could it be the new kernel? | 09:21 |
| |ns|nR8 | possibly | 09:21 |
| |ns|nR8 | some conflict going on | 09:21 |
| holzmodem | i do a reboot and try the old... | 09:22 |
| holzmodem | it's not the kernel, its compiz -.- | 09:38 |
| holzmodem | i think this is the bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/metacity/+bug/389686 | 09:41 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 389686 in metacity "compiz --replace fails to kill metacity, resulting in cpu overload" [Undecided,New] | 09:41 |
| holzmodem | how long does it took, to get updated packages in the repositories of karmic? especially php5 | 10:24 |
| DanaG | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/284319 | 10:54 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 284319 in linux "mute, brightness buttons on new HP 6930p laptop" [Undecided,New] | 10:54 |
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| christophsturm | can someone recommend a gtk twitter client? | 11:18 |
| soc | hi | 11:47 |
| soc | should i report that bug? share a folder over smb, try to access it with nautilus with another pc | 11:47 |
| soc | youcan see the files, installing packages from smb fails and even copying the files to your local folders don't work | 11:48 |
| soc | 2DBUs error org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.InvalidArgs: Argument 2 is specified to be of type "boolean", but is actually of type "uint32" | 11:49 |
| m_tadeu | hi...after upgrading today, when I boot from the .31 kernel it says something like "no resume image" (don't quite remember the proper mesage) | 11:50 |
| m_tadeu | is this happening to anyone else? | 11:51 |
| christophsturm | m_tadeu: that probably just means that its not resuming from hibernate | 11:53 |
| iPoRn | m_tadeu, here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/103148 | 11:53 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 103148 in ubuntu "kinit: No resume image" [Undecided,In progress] | 11:53 |
| iPoRn | the same "problem" | 11:53 |
| iPoRn | you can add to your menu.lst on /boot/grub/ the following text at the end, and the error disappears : "noresume" | 11:55 |
| iPoRn | not sure if there's another way to take care of that problem, but... | 11:55 |
| christophsturm | m_tadeu: does it crash after that message, or are you just annoyed by the message? | 11:57 |
| m_tadeu | doesn't crash....actually it shows up the login line if I press enter | 11:58 |
| iPoRn | m_tadeu, try to do this: "sudo update-initramfs -u" it will take care of the problem, hopefully ;x | 11:58 |
| m_tadeu | hehe gonna try it then | 11:59 |
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| m_tadeu | brb | 12:03 |
| m_tadeu | iPoRn: no luck...an update...it only displays the login line after I press ctrl+alt+del | 12:12 |
| vega | my karmic installation does not boot anymore, i just get [linux bzImage ..... ] and then a blinking cursor, nothing after that | 12:16 |
| vega | hardware is dell latitude d610 | 12:16 |
| vega | it worked till some point so probably some upgrade broke it | 12:17 |
| iPoRn | thats weird | 12:17 |
| iPoRn | 'cos i've been reading about that "bug" on the lp | 12:17 |
| vega | ah, 2.6.30-9 boots, but -10 doesn't anymore | 12:17 |
| christophsturm | 2.6.31 doesnt boot for some, try 2.6.30 | 12:17 |
| iPoRn | and it works for most of the people | 12:18 |
| vega | so -10 is broken somehow | 12:18 |
| vega | iPoRn: happen to remember bug id? | 12:18 |
| vega | i could report my story too | 12:18 |
| iPoRn | vega, sorry, i was talking to another user ;x | 12:19 |
| iPoRn | my bad, for not using the nick | 12:19 |
| vega | ok :) | 12:19 |
| christophsturm | vega: did you try 2.6.31.1-13 ? | 12:20 |
| vega | this sounds like my issue: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/391705 | 12:21 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 391705 in linux "[Karmic] kernel >= 2.6.30-10 tty consoles not accessible; not showing dmesg." [Undecided,Confirmed] | 12:21 |
| vega | christophsturm: not yet as i just managed to boot, just running upgrades now.. | 12:21 |
| vega | hm .31 does not come with the upgrades, do i have to install it from some other repo? | 12:22 |
| christophsturm | i got it yesterday | 12:23 |
| christophsturm | try a different mirror | 12:23 |
| vega | ok | 12:24 |
| bushwakko | Karmic hangs just after grub with the words "Starting up ..." | 12:43 |
| bushwakko | 2.6.30 | 12:43 |
| dupondje | bushwakko: try removing the silent quiet | 12:45 |
| dupondje | and see what u get ;) | 12:45 |
| vega | christophsturm: .31 works | 12:47 |
| vega | bushwakko: which 2.6.30, -9 or -10 ? | 12:48 |
| vega | mine hangs with -10 but not with -9 | 12:48 |
| vega | and newest kernel 2.6.31 seems to boot also | 12:48 |
| TheFuzzball | why is fglrx not working? | 13:43 |
| TheFuzzball | When I try to install manually I get "Error: ./default_policy.sh does not support version" | 13:43 |
| TheFuzzball | And the fglrx from repos doesn't work | 13:43 |
| m_tadeu | the new (h)air style is pretty cool | 14:35 |
| BluesKaj | Howdy | 14:46 |
| maco | anyone noticed issues with hostname resolution? | 15:41 |
| BluesKaj | was upgrading in the terminal when suddenly the OS dropped to a TTY....what gives ? | 15:41 |
| hggdh | maco, what problem(s)? | 15:41 |
| maco | hggdh, the first dns server in /etc/resolv.conf is skipped every time. if its the only one, then i'm told i dont have any nameservers. if i specify it on the command line "host <name> <ns>" it still doesnt use it | 15:42 |
| hggdh | maco, let me try it here (but I think I am working fine so far) | 15:45 |
| hggdh | maco, are you using n-m? | 15:46 |
| maco | no | 15:46 |
| maco | n-m was broken for wpa2 in kde last i checked. i just use /etc/network/interfaces | 15:47 |
| hggdh | oh | 15:47 |
| * hggdh now considers getting back to kde later on ;-) | 15:48 | |
| hggdh | maco, I cannot repeat it here (under Gnome and n-m), and I cannot fire kde rigth now... | 15:49 |
| maco | hggdh, ok | 15:59 |
| maco | it looks like its not "first nameserver" afterall...just this specific nameserver | 15:59 |
| BluesKaj | "router" nameserver ? | 16:01 |
| maxb | Could someone test whether this is broken for everyone or just me? Run "info <any info page>" - are the Menu items missing? | 16:08 |
| BluesKaj | maxb, try info grub , check output | 16:11 |
| maxb | oh, i have a menu there | 16:12 |
| maxb | interesting | 16:12 |
| maxb | but not in "info bash" or "info readline" | 16:12 |
| instructor | ha ha | 16:14 |
| instructor | justdid a dist-upgrade and it hosed X | 16:14 |
| instructor | known issue? | 16:14 |
| instructor | restart is not a known option | 16:15 |
| instructor | stop says that / is busy | 16:16 |
| BluesKaj | instructor, yeah , same here, dropped down to a TTY | 16:40 |
| instructor | BluesKaj: getting filesystem errors? | 16:40 |
| BluesKaj | instructor, no, I rebooted and so far so good | 16:41 |
| instructor | BluesKaj: Got back GUI? | 16:41 |
| BluesKaj | yeah X started np | 16:41 |
| instructor | Still screwed herer for me | 16:43 |
| BluesKaj | instructor, using grub2 ? | 16:45 |
| instructor | Yes | 16:47 |
| BluesKaj | is grub2 totally enabled or just in the test phase ? | 16:48 |
| BluesKaj | I dumped grub2 cuz it wasn't seeing X | 16:49 |
| BluesKaj | it was just in the test phase tho, I hadn't enabled it | 16:49 |
| SeveredCross | GRUB and X have nothing to do with each other. | 16:50 |
| BluesKaj | there's some debate about that SeveredCross, but I can't recall what the conflict is | 16:51 |
| instructor | how does grub not See X? | 16:53 |
| instructor | when did grub ever see X ? | 16:53 |
| BluesKaj | maybe my choice of words is incorrect but when i got rid of grub2 then HAL was accessible | 16:55 |
| maxb | Not sure if this is karmic-specific or not, but I seem to have a /usr/share/info/dir *and* a /usr/share/info/dir.gz, both with a recent mtime... what's up with that? | 16:55 |
| BluesKaj | instructor, maybe that was apoor choice of words , but when i got rid of grub2 then HAL was accessible...does that make sense to you ? | 17:01 |
| instructor | ok | 17:04 |
| instructor | kernel jsut froze | 17:05 |
| BluesKaj | oh yeah and I also dumped the latest kernel-image...should have mentioned that too | 17:05 |
| BluesKaj | was able to recover by using the previous kernel | 17:06 |
| Zorael | Is keyserver.ubuntu.com down? | 17:07 |
| BluesKaj | Zorael, seems so | 17:09 |
| m_tadeu | when my laptop is idle for some time, I can't get the desktop back....everything seems to be working, 'cos I have music, the disk is active....but black screen, no ctrl+alt+f1, nothing | 17:13 |
| instructor | hi nixternal | 17:20 |
| nixternal | anyone having issues with the latest kernel? goes from the loading blah blah and when it goes to usplash I just get a black screen | 17:20 |
| yofel | nixternal: nvidia/fglrx driver? | 17:22 |
| nixternal | no, it doesn't even get to x | 17:22 |
| nixternal | intel | 17:23 |
| yofel | does disabling KMS help? | 17:23 |
| yofel | add i915.modeset=0 to the kernel boot line | 17:23 |
| nixternal | haven't tried | 17:23 |
| nixternal | doing that makes your computer junk so it is a waste of time | 17:24 |
| yofel | nixternal: whats your gdm version? | 17:26 |
| nixternal | yofel: this is on Kubuntu, doesn't even get that far..issue seems to be with device-mapper | 17:34 |
| m_tadeu | guess I'm having the exact same problem here... | 17:35 |
| Unksi | anyone else have problems starting up kopete after upgrade? | 17:37 |
| nixternal | m_tadeu: same exact problem as me? | 17:37 |
| m_tadeu | yup | 17:37 |
| m_tadeu | with th e.31 kernel, right? | 17:38 |
| nixternal | are you getting some timeout message followed by something like "sda* is misaligned"? | 17:38 |
| nixternal | ya, 31 | 17:38 |
| m_tadeu | only a black screen...if I change to the ctrl+alt+f1 I get something like "no resume image" or something like that | 17:39 |
| TheFuzzball | Where has WPA2 gone from the list of wireless security options, I only have WEP, WPA-PSK and WPA-EAP | 17:52 |
| nixternal | m_tadeu: are you using encryption? | 17:57 |
| BluesKaj | TheFuzzball, dunno I had the same trouble , but I switched to WPA-PSK and everything seems ok | 17:57 |
| m_tadeu | nixternal: ibn the file system? nop | 17:58 |
| instructor | nixternal: what version of the kernel package? | 18:01 |
| nixternal | 31 | 18:01 |
| nixternal | -1.13...sorry about that | 18:07 |
| TheFuzzball | BluesKaj, You mean you switched your router to WPA-PSK? | 18:07 |
| instructor | nixternal: ok thanks | 18:15 |
| mphill | is sound messed up or did my upgrade fail maybe? | 18:18 |
| coz_ | mphill, last I upgraded my sound died also | 18:19 |
| mphill | nice | 18:19 |
| coz_ | mphill, havent upgrade recently t hough | 18:19 |
| coz_ | mphill, do you have an higher end sound card? | 18:19 |
| mphill | maybe? | 18:19 |
| mphill | asus xonar d7 or soemthing | 18:20 |
| mphill | it was like 80 bucks | 18:20 |
| coz_ | mphill, ok just curious .. I have a pro sound card and the card died sort of although it started fine during boot the system said it wasnt working and it wasnt | 18:20 |
| coz_ | mphill, although I have to compile my own driver for this card | 18:20 |
| mphill | coz_: try sudo also force-reload next time | 18:21 |
| mphill | also = alsa | 18:21 |
| mphill | that reloads everything | 18:21 |
| mphill | sometimes that can help if it just dies in the middle of working | 18:21 |
| coz_ | mphill, wasnt the issue I even re compiled the driver | 18:21 |
| mphill | better than a reboot | 18:21 |
| mphill | coz_: well things are still broken i think | 18:22 |
| coz_ | mphill, good to know I wont try karmic for a while then :) | 18:22 |
| mphill | i normally try to start using alphas around the 4th release | 18:22 |
| mphill | but i always get curious | 18:22 |
| coz_ | :) | 18:23 |
| coz_ | mphill, i understand, and considering this is alpha2 I am still impressed | 18:24 |
| amikrop | Hello. Has anybody heard if there are any plans of Canonical cooperating, making a deal, or partner with a big software/hardware vendor like Apple, Blizzard or SEGA, for example? | 19:35 |
| amikrop | Because iTunes for linux is more than a "must". | 19:36 |
| amikrop | As is big game title porting. | 19:36 |
| SeveredCross | Not gonna happen. | 19:37 |
| amikrop | SeveredCross: Never? How can you say that? So, what, we should all abandon linux? | 19:40 |
| amikrop | It's always gonna be in the dark? | 19:40 |
| amikrop | No hardware support? No software support? It's just unfair. | 19:41 |
| amikrop | That would be a true hero of the open source community: Someone who would spend a lot of money to "buy" continuous linux porting, device driver development and such stuff. | 19:42 |
| amikrop | I mean, a very reach one. | 19:42 |
| SeveredCross | I doubt anyone has that much money to throw at every vendor out there. | 19:45 |
| SeveredCross | Plus, why do we want Windows apps? There're plenty of apps on Linux that are as good or better than their Windows counterparts. | 19:45 |
| SeveredCross | Not to mention that Linux is, and most likely is going to remain, a minority platform. | 19:46 |
| SeveredCross | Even if it becomes easier to use than Windows, people aren't going to switch because a) being free, Linux seems to have little value--it doesn't cost anything, therefore it can't be good. b) Windows is what people know, it's accessible, and to them it *seems* to not cost them anything because they can always get a copy from a friend or it comes with their computer. | 19:47 |
| SeveredCross | They know that it is pricey, which is why it must have value, but it appears to be free because it's so easily accessible. | 19:47 |
| SeveredCross | So, being a minority platform, most device manufacturers have no impetus to write drivers--cash would grease their palms, but who knows if they would even want to, with cash. | 19:48 |
| SeveredCross | Not to mention that the drivers would likely be hacks that work poorly. | 19:48 |
| SeveredCross | And would consistently be out of date with the kernel interface, wouldn't be open source (most likely), etc. | 19:49 |
| SeveredCross | If you're going to pay for something, pay for open specifications. | 19:49 |
| danbhfive | SeveredCross: closed source drivers aren't that legal, AFAIK | 19:50 |
| SeveredCross | What? | 19:51 |
| SeveredCross | Of course they are... | 19:51 |
| SeveredCross | The nVidia drivers and ATI drivers are closed source. | 19:51 |
| SeveredCross | They have an open source blob, which is what gets made into a kernel module. | 19:51 |
| SeveredCross | The X driver itself is closed source, etc. | 19:52 |
| crdlb | I'm pretty sure the kernel module is not open source | 19:55 |
| BluesKaj | SeveredCross, a lot of MS users don't know what an operating system is , to them Windows is what a computer "is". | 19:58 |
| SeveredCross | crdlb: I thought it was, but I could be wrong. | 19:58 |
| crdlb | yep: Copyright 1999-2001 by NVIDIA Corporation. All rights reserved. | 19:59 |
| SeveredCross | crdlb: No, it has to be. | 19:59 |
| SeveredCross | Ah, the source is available, but it's not open source. | 19:59 |
| crdlb | having the source code does not make it open source | 19:59 |
| SeveredCross | Yeah, I should've made that clearer. | 19:59 |
| crdlb | if somebody leaks the windows source code, it's not magically Free | 19:59 |
| SeveredCross | BluesKaj: And buying shitty ports of Windows apps to Linux is going to help that *how?* | 19:59 |
| alanbell | or good | 19:59 |
| SeveredCross | Those same people are going to turn around and go "Wow, Windows must be awesome if these people want to copy their apps." | 19:59 |
| BluesKaj | SeveredCross, some ppl just want familiarity and aren't adventurous | 20:04 |
| m_tadeu | most people I know don't even know that there are other OSs | 20:05 |
| BluesKaj | m_tadeu, I think that's the norm , unfortunately | 20:06 |
| m_tadeu | but then again....if people are not looking for alternatives, they'll never know abou them | 20:08 |
| hggdh | warning: when you upgrade to the latest GDM (the unstable one just put available, you may lose your X session, and will have to re-login. | 20:17 |
| m_tadeu | the same happened with kdm | 20:20 |
| hggdh | interesting | 20:22 |
| hggdh | hum. it *might* have been kdm, in my case, just remembered both gdm and kdm were updated... | 20:23 |
| * hggdh digs into the atp and dpkg logs | 20:23 | |
| amikrop | SeveredCross: So, there's no hope? | 20:25 |
| amikrop | There will never ever be any hope? | 20:25 |
| DanaG | oh yeah, I tried the PulseAudio AirPortExpress support, and it has rather horrid latency. =þ | 20:27 |
| amikrop | We have Linux counterparts for most of Windows software, but device drivers for specific harware, and games, like Football Manager or WoW, or iTunes (for full iPod/iPhone compatibility (sync, upgrade, restore, organize)) cannot have counterparts. :S | 20:27 |
| BluesKaj | hggdh, no kidding .. I had fun with that yesterday , but I had to get rid of the latest linux-image in order to get X back. | 20:27 |
| hggdh | BluesKaj, at least this was not a problem here (but when I booted 2.26.31 the first time two days ago I also had problems with CX. Not anymore | 20:28 |
| DanaG | Ugh, Audacity's audio output is absolutely garbage. | 20:29 |
| BluesKaj | hggdh, I had to back to 2.26.30 , but no upgrades have brought the latest kernel down the pipe. | 20:31 |
| BluesKaj | BBL...errands to do | 20:31 |
| DanaG | Oh, and it HANGS, too. | 20:31 |
| hggdh | BluesKaj, this is a different behaviour than with me. Interesting | 20:32 |
| mahfiaz | does the networkmanager work for you? | 21:12 |
| mahfiaz | also, what about USB-stick mounting | 21:12 |
| iPoRn | both with problems, network-manager, always says that i have no connection with cable, and usb-stick auto-mount, not working at all | 21:13 |
| mahfiaz | as you could assume, for me these doesn't, so I need to know if this is my configuration or common problem | 21:13 |
| iPoRn | and all the usb drives, it mount with really strange names | 21:13 |
| mahfiaz | good, today's (or yesterdays) update fixed the mounting problem, now it works fine | 21:15 |
| mahfiaz | but nm-applet still shows "Networkmanager is not working" | 21:16 |
| mahfiaz | NetworkManager --no-daemon exits with Error: 'Connection ":1.801" is not allowed to own the service "org.freedesktop.NetworkManager" due to security policies in the configuration file' | 21:17 |
| mahfiaz | any clue about this file? | 21:17 |
| iPoRn | not really | 21:19 |
| BluesKaj | mahfiaz, try Wicd ..it replaces network manager and works well on both wifi and eth0 | 22:04 |
| mahfiaz | BluesKaj, thanks for your suggestion | 22:04 |
| mahfiaz | I am aware of wicd, which works really well compared to networkmanager | 22:05 |
| mahfiaz | but I still prefer NM, only the number of strange and unbeliveable errors it has had and still has, is beyond me (my problem is configuratio mistake of udev) | 22:06 |
| BluesKaj | network manager is known to have stability inability to retain settings, probs | 22:06 |
| alanbell | I am also having trouble with network manager, but I want to stick with it | 22:09 |
| mahfiaz | alanbell, do you have the same problem? | 22:09 |
| alanbell | My wireless broke moving from Intrepid to Jaunty | 22:09 |
| alanbell | RT2500 PCI | 22:09 |
| alanbell | and I was using an Orange mobile broadband dongle | 22:09 |
| mahfiaz | and it works from cli? | 22:10 |
| alanbell | and Jaunty to karmic broke that | 22:10 |
| alanbell | no the RT2500 is broken from cli | 22:10 |
| alanbell | iwlist wlan0 scan returns no results | 22:10 |
| alanbell | but the mobile broadband thing is nw | 22:10 |
| alanbell | new rather | 22:10 |
| alanbell | the hso driver is loading | 22:11 |
| alanbell | it creates /dev/ttyHS0 etc | 22:11 |
| alanbell | but NM won't manage it | 22:11 |
| BluesKaj | !enter | 22:11 |
| ubottu | Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation! | 22:11 |
| alanbell | that could be securities or something maybe? | 22:12 |
| billybigrigger | BUGabundo::: hola | 22:15 |
| BUGabundo | boas noites | 22:17 |
| BUGabundo | ola billybigrigger | 22:17 |
| BUGabundo | has any one had trouble with nvidia and -31? | 22:17 |
| billybigrigger | you running the rc .31? | 22:17 |
| BUGabundo | mine aint starting | 22:17 |
| BUGabundo | just checked and seems I have a few module updates | 22:17 |
| billybigrigger | i think there was a fix for .31 rc1 | 22:18 |
| billybigrigger | but i think nvidia is still borked in it | 22:18 |
| billybigrigger | what nvidia driver? | 22:19 |
| billybigrigger | 185.????? | 22:19 |
| BUGabundo | billybigrigger: -30! can't use nvidia on -31 | 22:19 |
| billybigrigger | nvidia 185.18.14-0ubuntu2 should work fine with .31 | 22:20 |
| BUGabundo | let me finish updates | 22:20 |
| billybigrigger | yeah, im gonna give .31 a spin | 22:21 |
| billybigrigger | brb | 22:21 |
| billybigrigger | just finished my 185.18 update | 22:21 |
| billybigrigger | BUGabundo::: | 22:27 |
| billybigrigger | nvidia-glx-180: | 22:27 |
| billybigrigger | Installed: 185.18.14-0ubuntu2 | 22:27 |
| billybigrigger | 2.6.31-020631rc1-generic | 22:27 |
| billybigrigger | all good here | 22:27 |
| BUGabundo | Installed: 185.18.14-0ubuntu1 | 22:27 |
| BUGabundo | Candidate: 185.18.14-0ubuntu2 | 22:27 |
| BUGabundo | 22:27 | |
| BUGabundo | guess I need updates! | 22:27 |
| billybigrigger | yeah, haven't come down your pipe yet? | 22:27 |
| billybigrigger | BUGabundo::: do you know how i can view more info on a package thats being held back? | 22:28 |
| BUGabundo | billybigrigger: aptitude why PACKAGE | 22:29 |
| billybigrigger | i see there's a new linux-image-generic and headers being held back | 22:29 |
| billybigrigger | looks like .30-10 though | 22:30 |
| BUGabundo | billybigrigger: $ sudo aptitude safe-upgrade | 22:35 |
| billybigrigger | BUGabundo::: you have any idea why dkms can't install my vbox networking module? | 22:36 |
| billybigrigger | vboxnetflt (2.2.4): Installing module. | 22:36 |
| billybigrigger | .......(bad exit status: 10) | 22:36 |
| billybigrigger | Build failed. Installation skipped. | 22:36 |
| billybigrigger | piss sorry for the flood | 22:36 |
| RAOF | billybigrigger: I'd guess that the vbox module can't build against the new kernel. | 22:37 |
| kenyon | billybigrigger: you have linux-headers installed? | 22:37 |
| RAOF | /var/lib/dkms/$STUFF/make.log often has details | 22:38 |
| billybigrigger | yeah | 22:38 |
| billybigrigger | RAOF::: cool, will check that out | 22:38 |
| billybigrigger | http://pastebin.com/f7e5ef77a | 22:39 |
| RAOF | Yeah, looks like the virtualbox guys will need to update their kernel module. | 22:43 |
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