| nettolt | lool: are you around? | 04:57 |
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| nettolt | so I wouldlike to install ubuntu on a zeus board I have that is currently running arcom embedded linux...but i so not know where to begin | 04:58 |
| lool | ogra: How is it going with https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/banshee/+bug/391588 ? | 09:44 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 391588 in banshee "banshee fails to run on arm" [High,New] | 09:44 |
| ogra | lool, waiting on a kernel with proper audio support | 09:48 |
| ogra | i will open an upstream bug for it, but proper debugging that excludes codecs and audio devices as cause wont be possible before we have sound support on the desktop | 09:49 |
| lool | ogra: Does this prevent getting a nicer backtrace as attachment and cleaning up the whiteboard? :) | 09:50 |
| ogra | no, thats what i will do for the upstream task anyway | 09:51 |
| ogra | hoping i can reproduce it on non babbage2 (which is already packed up) | 09:51 |
| lool | ogra: Around? | 11:18 |
| ogra | no, slim | 11:18 |
| ogra | :P | 11:18 |
| ogra | whats up ? | 11:19 |
| lool | ogra: I was looking at https://bugs.launchpad.net/~ogra/+assignedbugs and thinking that perhaps we could clear some bugs here | 11:19 |
| lool | Probably you're not actively working on 338342 and it wont fix in Ubuntu? | 11:19 |
| lool | I'm not sure about usb imagewriter: are we keeping it? Do you think you'll spend time on it? | 11:20 |
| ogra | yes, as an upstream project | 11:20 |
| ogra | but disregard it for work items | 11:21 |
| ogra | it always was supposed to be a fun project, never intended to be used like we do now | 11:21 |
| lool | ogra: I closed 334711 | 11:23 |
| ogra | the redboot-tools one is covered by the spec (or the other way round, as you like) | 11:23 |
| ogra | thanks, i wasnt sure what to do with it ... and persia will likely complain | 11:24 |
| ogra | hmm, why does 391588 show up twice ? | 11:24 |
| lool | ogra: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.assignee=ogra is probably a better list | 11:25 |
| lool | ogra: probably ubuntu bug + ubuntu karmic bug task | 11:25 |
| ogra | 328167 can be closed ... i need to clearify it upstream though | 11:25 |
| lool | I wonder whether we should make sure it's really fixed and not just hidden; it seemed security sensitive | 11:26 |
| ogra | 26986 should be reassigned to the server team and will be obsolete with the new syslogging | 11:26 |
| ogra | well, the workaround is dropped, iÄll try to backport the package to jaunty without -01 and see what happens, then report upstream | 11:26 |
| ogra | i dont think i can do anything for 338342 ... we wont re-roll the images for jaunty | 11:27 |
| lool | You were assigned to the syslog bug in 2006...! | 11:27 |
| ogra | yes, and its unsolvable | 11:28 |
| ogra | i assigned myself btw ... rsyslogd will fix it | 11:28 |
| ogra | syslog does DNS lookups for every like it logs remotely by default ... thats by design | 11:29 |
| ogra | s/like/line/ | 11:29 |
| lool | ogra: So update 338342 to match what you just said? | 11:29 |
| ogra | and close it wontfix ? | 11:29 |
| lool | I guess if we don't support ixp4xx anymore you have no other choice | 11:29 |
| ogra | hrm, why am i logged out | 11:30 |
| * ogra pokes LP | 11:30 | |
| lool | ogra: You assigned yourself to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/294403 in November; are you actively working on that? | 11:30 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 294403 in ltsp "LTSP error: Can not write log, openpty() failed (/dev/pts not mounted?) " [Wishlist,Triaged] | 11:30 |
| ogra | i have a fix, just not the time to fiddle with upstream stuff | 11:31 |
| ogra | its really cosmetical | 11:31 |
| lool | Perhaps you can attach it and unassign yourself for now in case someone else picks it up | 11:32 |
| lool | You can alway assign yourself later on when you're working on it | 11:32 |
| ogra | i'D actually like to keep it on my list even if it takes another 6months until i have time for it | 11:33 |
| ogra | nobody else will work on it and if i'm not assigned i'll forget abou ti | 11:33 |
| ogra | *about it | 11:33 |
| lool | It sounds bad if you're keeping actions for 6 months + | 11:34 |
| ogra | its ltsp and its an upstream issue, why do you care ? | 11:34 |
| lool | I care that you and I have a good overview of what you're working on :) | 11:34 |
| ogra | sure, just ignore ltsp then | 11:35 |
| lool | If you have a way to distinguish "actively working on that" from "target of opportunity for later", I'm happy to hear about it | 11:35 |
| ogra | i'm not working on it in my worktime apart from answering questions here and there | 11:35 |
| ogra | well, the prob is that LP cant distinguish between what i do upstream in spare time and what i do in worktime | 11:36 |
| lool | Ok; so bugs you're currently working on are getting the whiteboard updated on banshee and telling upstream that gnome-keyring is working in karmic but we don't know why; correct? | 11:36 |
| ogra | and that my projects all live on LP doesnt help | 11:36 |
| ogra | right | 11:37 |
| ogra | you said you had skeleton code for fconfig init ? | 11:37 |
| ogra | would you attach that to 348060 ? | 11:38 |
| ogra | i'll link the proof of concept redboot-install there too | 11:38 |
| lool | I had a Perl script which did that hackishly, then I started rearchitecting it when I understood what I wanted to do, but it probably doens't work anymore as a result; I'm happy to share it if you consider that it's basically in a bad state and you'd like to work on it | 11:38 |
| ogra | well, that and redboot-install are essentially the redboot-tools spec | 11:39 |
| ogra | erm, why did you unassign me from gnome-keyring ? | 11:40 |
| lool | http://people.ubuntu.com/~lool/fconfig.pl is how it looks like ATM | 11:41 |
| lool | ogra: I only unassigned you from the jaunty task which I closed, not from the karmic one | 11:41 |
| ogra | heh, FF cant show .pl | 11:42 |
| lool | You can vi it | 11:42 |
| ogra | indeed | 11:42 |
| ogra | i downloaded it ... | 11:42 |
| lool | The two things which kind of discouraged me is when I realized I didn't really want to allow people setting the type of vars or adding new vars to a fconfig | 11:43 |
| ogra | i just didnt know .pl was mime assigned on the server instead of being shown | 11:43 |
| lool | What I wanted instead is a list of vars/types for a supported platform (board) and all relevant constants for that platform (such as defaults and FIS offset etc.) | 11:43 |
| ogra | right, that should be under our control and hardcoded | 11:43 |
| lool | The other thing which discouraged me is when I realized people were interested in a C version more than in a Perl one | 11:44 |
| lool | Because perl is too large to fit in an embedded platform | 11:44 |
| * ogra doesnt care how it looks in the package | 11:44 | |
| lool | So it didn't make sense to do it as cleanly as I thought for many platforms to then have it useless for some people | 11:44 |
| ogra | and we dont support any embedded platforms anymore ... at least none that are to small for perl | 11:44 |
| lool | I'm personally happy with what we have | 11:45 |
| ogra | even an iphone or palm pre is powerful enough | 11:45 |
| ogra | me too | 11:45 |
| lool | Ideally, we'd really build fconfig.bin as part of the redboot build though | 11:45 |
| lool | As we just have a fconfig.bin from an old RB, not what we build, and not for all boards | 11:45 |
| ogra | with vars pulled out of redboot, right | 11:45 |
| lool | With respect to fconfig.c, I thought it wasn't flexible enough and indeed it wasn't for some things, but not as much as I initially criticized; a couple of patches should bring it to shape | 11:46 |
| ogra | right and we could pull the init stuff out of the perl script, dump it into the redboot source package and create the blob | 11:48 |
| ogra | so the c source doesnt need to grow an init | 11:48 |
| ogra | we still dont have a bzr tree for redboot-tools, right ? | 11:49 |
| * ogra adds that to his TODO for the spec | 11:49 | |
| lool | We don't have a bzr tree for redboot-tools; however note that these are assembled from two upstreams using SVN | 11:50 |
| * ogra sighs, indeed i need to urgently print some stuff for fedex and none of my printers work | 11:55 | |
| * ogra curses cups | 11:56 | |
| ogra | hasnt worked for me in years | 11:56 |
| ogra | ARGL | 11:59 |
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| Pantcho | hello, i have a small ARM mini laptop with WinCE in the main flash HD. i written the .img file to a USB stick and i want to boot from it. when the laptop loads it automaticly runs WinCE. i tried to get to a kind of "boot" menu in the start screen pressed "esc","f2","f1","del" nothing happens and it bam runs WinCE. any suggestions? | 23:18 |
| Pantcho | ohhh the dispairrr | 23:21 |
| ogra | thats usually not how arm systms work | 23:24 |
| ogra | you need an image thats specifically built for the board in your laptop | 23:24 |
| Pantcho | so trying to install ubuntu wont work well? | 23:25 |
| ogra | depends | 23:25 |
| ogra | if you dont have a board we built the image for yu will have to build a rootfs from scratch | 23:26 |
| ogra | (as described in the topic) | 23:26 |
| ogra | and need to know how your bootloader works ... and need to build a kernel yourself | 23:26 |
| Pantcho | sounds way over my league | 23:26 |
| ogra | the only prebuilt desktop image we have atm is for the freescale imx51 CPU | 23:27 |
| ogra | (i doubt you have such a laptop, though if you do you should be able to boot the image from SD card ) | 23:28 |
| Pantcho | thats not ARM or.. ? whats going on here | 23:28 |
| ogra | imx51 is an ARMv7 CPU | 23:28 |
| Pantcho | thanks for your help | 23:29 |
| Pantcho | i will give this up | 23:29 |
| ogra | we also support the ixp4xx CPU which is used in the NSLU2 device in jaunty (9.04) and an ARMv5 as well as versatile ARMv5 for the qemu emulator | 23:30 |
| Pantcho | i have ARMv5 | 23:30 |
| ogra | well, if you find a kernel and know how your bootloader works it should be possible to run ubuntu on it, but it will be a bit of work and learning required | 23:31 |
| ogra | its sadly like that with ARM hardware by design | 23:31 |
| ogra | you dont have something standardized like a BIOS | 23:32 |
| Pantcho | sorry i have "AKARM,ARM920-AKCHIP" | 23:32 |
| Pantcho | :/ | 23:32 |
| Pantcho | i get what you are saying | 23:32 |
| ogra | looks like you have an Anyka | 23:35 |
| ogra | AK780x ? | 23:35 |
| Pantcho | i don't know actually. the model name is not mentioned. | 23:36 |
| Pantcho | all i know when it boots it says "http://zenithink.com" | 23:36 |
| ogra | yeah, thats the one | 23:36 |
| Pantcho | in order to know i guess i will have to open it with screwdriver | 23:36 |
| ogra | it has only 64M | 23:36 |
| Pantcho | yes yes | 23:36 |
| Pantcho | wow i can't beleive you know the model hehe | 23:37 |
| ogra | wouldnt be much fun with ubuntu | 23:37 |
| Pantcho | thanks | 23:37 |
| ogra | i know google :) | 23:37 |
| Pantcho | so ubuntu wont run on it good you say | 23:37 |
| ogra | you might have more luck trying to get android on it | 23:37 |
| Pantcho | any other good linux distro that can run on it with out playing with kernal stuff which i have no clue about? | 23:37 |
| ogra | well, 64M isnt much | 23:38 |
| Pantcho | the WinCE lets you use the flash devices ram | 23:38 |
| ogra | you indeed can run ubuntu in 64M but it would unlikely look like an ubuntu desktop does | 23:38 |
| ogra | flash is slow | 23:38 |
| Pantcho | so when i add a USB stick it can get more ram | 23:38 |
| ogra | no, you get more swapspace ... | 23:38 |
| Pantcho | true.. | 23:39 |
| ogra | a normal ubuntu desktop needs about 256M | 23:39 |
| Pantcho | so u nkow any other distros? | 23:39 |
| Pantcho | that might work ok? i just need open office and a browser that supports hebrew fonts | 23:39 |
| ogra | well, i'd recommend android but thats for mobile phones ... you could also check if a build of angstrom exists for that cpu | 23:40 |
| Pantcho | my main problem is that wince dont support hebrew | 23:40 |
| ogra | well, i cant help much with CE ... | 23:41 |
| Pantcho | ;) | 23:42 |
| Pantcho | thanks for the info tough | 23:42 |
| ogra | hmm, the sites that talk about the device say there was a version shipped with linux | 23:43 |
| Pantcho | which site? | 23:43 |
| ogra | you should probably mail http://zenithink.com and ask if they offer a linux version | 23:44 |
| Pantcho | will do that | 23:44 |
| ogra | http://www.rothberger.net/pages/reviews/ps_firstview701.shtml its german, nit sure it hels you | 23:44 |
| ogra | *helps | 23:44 |
| ogra | ah, there is a translation link at the bottom :) | 23:45 |
| ogra | http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http://www.rothberger.net/pages/reviews/ps_firstview701.shtml&langpair=de%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 | 23:45 |
| Pantcho | hehe done that already :) | 23:49 |
| Pantcho | good night! | 23:58 |
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