[04:57] lool: are you around? [04:58] so I wouldlike to install ubuntu on a zeus board I have that is currently running arcom embedded linux...but i so not know where to begin [09:44] ogra: How is it going with https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/banshee/+bug/391588 ? [09:44] Launchpad bug 391588 in banshee "banshee fails to run on arm" [High,New] [09:48] lool, waiting on a kernel with proper audio support [09:49] i will open an upstream bug for it, but proper debugging that excludes codecs and audio devices as cause wont be possible before we have sound support on the desktop [09:50] ogra: Does this prevent getting a nicer backtrace as attachment and cleaning up the whiteboard? :) [09:51] no, thats what i will do for the upstream task anyway [09:51] hoping i can reproduce it on non babbage2 (which is already packed up) [11:18] ogra: Around? [11:18] no, slim [11:18] :P [11:19] whats up ? [11:19] ogra: I was looking at https://bugs.launchpad.net/~ogra/+assignedbugs and thinking that perhaps we could clear some bugs here [11:19] Probably you're not actively working on 338342 and it wont fix in Ubuntu? [11:20] I'm not sure about usb imagewriter: are we keeping it? Do you think you'll spend time on it? [11:20] yes, as an upstream project [11:21] but disregard it for work items [11:21] it always was supposed to be a fun project, never intended to be used like we do now [11:23] ogra: I closed 334711 [11:23] the redboot-tools one is covered by the spec (or the other way round, as you like) [11:24] thanks, i wasnt sure what to do with it ... and persia will likely complain [11:24] hmm, why does 391588 show up twice ? [11:25] ogra: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.assignee=ogra is probably a better list [11:25] ogra: probably ubuntu bug + ubuntu karmic bug task [11:25] 328167 can be closed ... i need to clearify it upstream though [11:26] I wonder whether we should make sure it's really fixed and not just hidden; it seemed security sensitive [11:26] 26986 should be reassigned to the server team and will be obsolete with the new syslogging [11:26] well, the workaround is dropped, iÄll try to backport the package to jaunty without -01 and see what happens, then report upstream [11:27] i dont think i can do anything for 338342 ... we wont re-roll the images for jaunty [11:27] You were assigned to the syslog bug in 2006...! [11:28] yes, and its unsolvable [11:28] i assigned myself btw ... rsyslogd will fix it [11:29] syslog does DNS lookups for every like it logs remotely by default ... thats by design [11:29] s/like/line/ [11:29] ogra: So update 338342 to match what you just said? [11:29] and close it wontfix ? [11:29] I guess if we don't support ixp4xx anymore you have no other choice [11:30] hrm, why am i logged out [11:30] * ogra pokes LP [11:30] ogra: You assigned yourself to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/294403 in November; are you actively working on that? [11:30] Launchpad bug 294403 in ltsp "LTSP error: Can not write log, openpty() failed (/dev/pts not mounted?) " [Wishlist,Triaged] [11:31] i have a fix, just not the time to fiddle with upstream stuff [11:31] its really cosmetical [11:32] Perhaps you can attach it and unassign yourself for now in case someone else picks it up [11:32] You can alway assign yourself later on when you're working on it [11:33] i'D actually like to keep it on my list even if it takes another 6months until i have time for it [11:33] nobody else will work on it and if i'm not assigned i'll forget abou ti [11:33] *about it [11:34] It sounds bad if you're keeping actions for 6 months + [11:34] its ltsp and its an upstream issue, why do you care ? [11:34] I care that you and I have a good overview of what you're working on :) [11:35] sure, just ignore ltsp then [11:35] If you have a way to distinguish "actively working on that" from "target of opportunity for later", I'm happy to hear about it [11:35] i'm not working on it in my worktime apart from answering questions here and there [11:36] well, the prob is that LP cant distinguish between what i do upstream in spare time and what i do in worktime [11:36] Ok; so bugs you're currently working on are getting the whiteboard updated on banshee and telling upstream that gnome-keyring is working in karmic but we don't know why; correct? [11:36] and that my projects all live on LP doesnt help [11:37] right [11:37] you said you had skeleton code for fconfig init ? [11:38] would you attach that to 348060 ? [11:38] i'll link the proof of concept redboot-install there too [11:38] I had a Perl script which did that hackishly, then I started rearchitecting it when I understood what I wanted to do, but it probably doens't work anymore as a result; I'm happy to share it if you consider that it's basically in a bad state and you'd like to work on it [11:39] well, that and redboot-install are essentially the redboot-tools spec [11:40] erm, why did you unassign me from gnome-keyring ? [11:41] http://people.ubuntu.com/~lool/fconfig.pl is how it looks like ATM [11:41] ogra: I only unassigned you from the jaunty task which I closed, not from the karmic one [11:42] heh, FF cant show .pl [11:42] You can vi it [11:42] indeed [11:42] i downloaded it ... [11:43] The two things which kind of discouraged me is when I realized I didn't really want to allow people setting the type of vars or adding new vars to a fconfig [11:43] i just didnt know .pl was mime assigned on the server instead of being shown [11:43] What I wanted instead is a list of vars/types for a supported platform (board) and all relevant constants for that platform (such as defaults and FIS offset etc.) [11:43] right, that should be under our control and hardcoded [11:44] The other thing which discouraged me is when I realized people were interested in a C version more than in a Perl one [11:44] Because perl is too large to fit in an embedded platform [11:44] * ogra doesnt care how it looks in the package [11:44] So it didn't make sense to do it as cleanly as I thought for many platforms to then have it useless for some people [11:44] and we dont support any embedded platforms anymore ... at least none that are to small for perl [11:45] I'm personally happy with what we have [11:45] even an iphone or palm pre is powerful enough [11:45] me too [11:45] Ideally, we'd really build fconfig.bin as part of the redboot build though [11:45] As we just have a fconfig.bin from an old RB, not what we build, and not for all boards [11:45] with vars pulled out of redboot, right [11:46] With respect to fconfig.c, I thought it wasn't flexible enough and indeed it wasn't for some things, but not as much as I initially criticized; a couple of patches should bring it to shape [11:48] right and we could pull the init stuff out of the perl script, dump it into the redboot source package and create the blob [11:48] so the c source doesnt need to grow an init [11:49] we still dont have a bzr tree for redboot-tools, right ? [11:49] * ogra adds that to his TODO for the spec [11:50] We don't have a bzr tree for redboot-tools; however note that these are assembled from two upstreams using SVN [11:55] * ogra sighs, indeed i need to urgently print some stuff for fedex and none of my printers work [11:56] * ogra curses cups [11:56] hasnt worked for me in years [11:59] ARGL === ogra__ is now known as ogra === kai is now known as kblin === dyfet__ is now known as dyfet === j_ack_ is now known as j_ack === ogra__ is now known as ogra === mcasadevall is now known as NCommander === plars_ is now known as plars === plars_ is now known as plars === cbrake is now known as cbrake_away [23:18] hello, i have a small ARM mini laptop with WinCE in the main flash HD. i written the .img file to a USB stick and i want to boot from it. when the laptop loads it automaticly runs WinCE. i tried to get to a kind of "boot" menu in the start screen pressed "esc","f2","f1","del" nothing happens and it bam runs WinCE. any suggestions? [23:21] ohhh the dispairrr [23:24] thats usually not how arm systms work [23:24] you need an image thats specifically built for the board in your laptop [23:25] so trying to install ubuntu wont work well? [23:25] depends [23:26] if you dont have a board we built the image for yu will have to build a rootfs from scratch [23:26] (as described in the topic) [23:26] and need to know how your bootloader works ... and need to build a kernel yourself [23:26] sounds way over my league [23:27] the only prebuilt desktop image we have atm is for the freescale imx51 CPU [23:28] (i doubt you have such a laptop, though if you do you should be able to boot the image from SD card ) [23:28] thats not ARM or.. ? whats going on here [23:28] imx51 is an ARMv7 CPU [23:29] thanks for your help [23:29] i will give this up [23:30] we also support the ixp4xx CPU which is used in the NSLU2 device in jaunty (9.04) and an ARMv5 as well as versatile ARMv5 for the qemu emulator [23:30] i have ARMv5 [23:31] well, if you find a kernel and know how your bootloader works it should be possible to run ubuntu on it, but it will be a bit of work and learning required [23:31] its sadly like that with ARM hardware by design [23:32] you dont have something standardized like a BIOS [23:32] sorry i have "AKARM,ARM920-AKCHIP" [23:32] :/ [23:32] i get what you are saying [23:35] looks like you have an Anyka [23:35] AK780x ? [23:36] i don't know actually. the model name is not mentioned. [23:36] all i know when it boots it says "http://zenithink.com" [23:36] yeah, thats the one [23:36] in order to know i guess i will have to open it with screwdriver [23:36] it has only 64M [23:36] yes yes [23:37] wow i can't beleive you know the model hehe [23:37] wouldnt be much fun with ubuntu [23:37] thanks [23:37] i know google :) [23:37] so ubuntu wont run on it good you say [23:37] you might have more luck trying to get android on it [23:37] any other good linux distro that can run on it with out playing with kernal stuff which i have no clue about? [23:38] well, 64M isnt much [23:38] the WinCE lets you use the flash devices ram [23:38] you indeed can run ubuntu in 64M but it would unlikely look like an ubuntu desktop does [23:38] flash is slow [23:38] so when i add a USB stick it can get more ram [23:38] no, you get more swapspace ... [23:39] true.. [23:39] a normal ubuntu desktop needs about 256M [23:39] so u nkow any other distros? [23:39] that might work ok? i just need open office and a browser that supports hebrew fonts [23:40] well, i'd recommend android but thats for mobile phones ... you could also check if a build of angstrom exists for that cpu [23:40] my main problem is that wince dont support hebrew [23:41] well, i cant help much with CE ... [23:42] ;) [23:42] thanks for the info tough [23:43] hmm, the sites that talk about the device say there was a version shipped with linux [23:43] which site? [23:44] you should probably mail http://zenithink.com and ask if they offer a linux version [23:44] will do that [23:44] http://www.rothberger.net/pages/reviews/ps_firstview701.shtml its german, nit sure it hels you [23:44] *helps [23:45] ah, there is a translation link at the bottom :) [23:45] http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http://www.rothberger.net/pages/reviews/ps_firstview701.shtml&langpair=de%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 [23:49] hehe done that already :) [23:58] good night!