[02:06] <Craigy90> hi all
[02:07] <Craigy90> how should I report a bug that crashes X only when compiz is running?
[02:07] <Craigy90> It crashes consistently whenever I try to use dual-monitors
[02:12] <micahg> Craigy90: try asking in #ubuntu-x
[06:33] <dholbach> good morning
[06:50] <dholbach> Ubuntu Development and Packaging Q&A in 10m in #ubuntu-classroom
[07:42] <thekorn> good morning
[09:36] <ColdWind> ls
[09:36] <ColdWind> fail
[10:08] <lesshaste> hi all
[10:19] <rmaj> hi, for me  2.6.28-13 (9.04 amd64) does not see any files nor partitions
[10:19] <rmaj> perhaps this is the 16 partition limit? because my  / is on /dev/sda16
[10:20] <rmaj> -11 (and install live cd) work
[10:22] <rmaj> can we fix this?  what is the partitions limit on -13 ?
[10:46] <lesshaste> well I tried to restore debconf and not something has gone wrong when trying to install the kernels?  See http://pastebin.ca/1481697
[10:46] <lesshaste> any ideas?
[10:46] <lesshaste> s/not/now
[11:05] <rmaj> it seems that ubuntu tottally fails, in the first day of use I found dozen of serious problems
[11:06] <rmaj> is there any actually working way to fix them quick?  I can do the reporting
[11:06] <Nafallo> rmaj: we have no concept of mindreading I'm afraid. are the bugs reported on launchpad already?
[11:07] <rmaj> the amount of fail is so big I have hard time reporting them, because Im not sure if given 3 bugs should be 1 or 3 reports
[11:07] <rmaj> for example,  hardware drives installer,  for nvidia, fails on following fronts
[11:08] <rmaj> - lack of feedback to user aboput download progress/success
[11:08] <rmaj> - invalid reporting of network problems (just empty message box)
[11:08] <rmaj> - after installation the drivers do not work
[11:08] <rmaj> - no way to see details what is the problem in installation
[11:08] <rmaj> - (probably about X server) the "failsave graphics mode" thing does not work
[11:09] <rmaj> drivers not working could be result of new kernel installation (-13) that didnt boot.  now Im back in -11
[11:09] <rmaj> so..  1) -13 does not boot  and  2) if we installed -13 then getting back to working -11 is not possible, drivers do not work
[11:10] <rmaj> btw I noticed that GSM connection do not work (worked on 8.10)
[11:10] <rmaj> If I found isolate problem its obvious to report it... but what to do when everything brakes apart like above
[11:11] <rmaj> (its a fresh 9.04 amd64)
[11:12] <rmaj> Nafallo: so how should I go about reporting and having fixed all this
[11:16] <Nafallo> rmaj: file bugs on launchpad I'd say. www.launchpad.net
[11:17] <rmaj> what is package name for that hardware installer?
[11:17] <Nafallo> rmaj: I'm a bit busy at the moment, so can't really help more than that I'm afraid. hopefully someone else can speak up :-)
[11:17] <jpds> jockey I think.
[11:20] <rmaj> thanks
[11:27] <rmaj> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/jockey/+bug/394651
[11:27] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 394651 in jockey "[9.04 amd64 + nvidia = FAIL] jockey hardware drivers installer" [Undecided,New]
[12:06] <dstansby> Hi guys, just wondering if anyone knows how I can download and install the karmic version of a package in jaunty.
[12:07] <dstansby> ?
[12:08] <maxb> you can try, but sometimes it would fail due to dependencies
[12:13] <dstansby> It's just I'm looking at this bug, which I can't reproduce: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wavemon/+bug/209710 because I haven't got a wireless connection
[12:13] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 209710 in wavemon "Saved treshold action = beep will change after restart into beep+flash" [Low,Confirmed]
[12:14] <dstansby> However, the reporter is not using the latest version because he isn't using karmic, so I have no way of telling whether this is reproducible in the latest version of wavemon
[12:27] <dstansby> Looking at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cups-pdf/+bug/295318 , it seems that the bug has been resolved. Does anyone know if this means that all the packages/projects should be marked as fix released or not?
[12:27] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 295318 in cups-pdf "cups-pdf requires user to create output folder before working correctly." [Low,Fix released]
[15:55] <hggdh> all: this is one good example on how to deal with extreme rudeness: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-coreutils/2009-07/msg00012.html. The archive contains the whole thread, if you are interested.
[16:32] <Kangarooo> ok hello I wanna kill some bugs.. im doing it with just launchapd thrue firefox. I saw in synaptic there is some ubuntu bug team package? is it with tools for bug team? if not then how can I halp with bug killing? im no linux programmer so how can I start?
[16:34] <Kangarooo> I also would need this info so I could make local bug squad in native language..
[16:35] <Kangarooo> also here's one bug on witch I want to know if I said correctly.. can someone check on it? https://bugs.launchpad.net/synaptic/+bug/186634
[16:35] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 186634 in synaptic "Old version of eclipse in repository" [Undecided,New]
[16:36] <Kangarooo> so is there some programm for bug tracking ? best way to help in launchpad to manage bugs? report/manage/search? tools? programms?
[16:45] <yofel> Kangarooo: Afaik it's known that the eclipse package is outdated, there's just nobody to update it
[16:46] <bdmurray> It'd be best to look at eclipse bug reports and see if this particular bug report is a duplicate of another
[16:46] <bdmurray> Additionally this bug is filed in the incorrect place - it is about the upstream synaptic project not about ubuntu
[16:47] <bdmurray> notice the Affects table has "synaptic" not "synaptic (ubuntu)"
[17:21] <Kangarooo> bdmurray: ok can you say more preciselly.. I didn't understand.. problem is in synaptic.. so this bug is reported to synaptic.. everything is correct or something needs to be corrected? 4 example if problem is in crunchbangs synaptic like I wrote comment to that bug then I would not post synaptic ubuntu.. I just want to know what to do correctly..
[17:23] <Kangarooo> and can anybody tell me is there bug team somekind tools?.. like all newest bugs I see immidiatlly as posted and immidiatlly search relative bugs? launchapad web too strange.. maybe ubuntu-bug distro?
[17:23] <Kangarooo> ubuntu-bug-team distro?
[17:24] <bdmurray> Kangarooo: I would expect the bug report to look as it does now.  Bug 186634
[17:24] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 186634 in synaptic "Old version of eclipse in repository" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186634
[17:24] <bdmurray> notice how I've added a "synaptic (Ubuntu)" line
[17:25] <bdmurray> However, its not really a synaptic bug but a bug about eclipse being old so the bug report should really be about the eclipse package in Ubuntu
[17:30] <Kangarooo> ah ok finally yees :) that's more logical.. but if I would for example put that bug is affecting synaptic ubuntu and eclipse ( couse that who reported didn't said witch distro so I can't say without knowing that bug is in ubuntu ) to attract more who might know what is really problem.. eclipse developers maybe don't know about ubuntu some ubuntu package maker only knows how he made this package.. im confused
[17:30] <bdmurray> "latest version available (and all associated plugins) is v3.2.2-3ubuntu3"
[17:30] <bdmurray>       ^- notice ubuntu
[17:34] <Kangarooo> aaah ok this time its know yes.. /// bug managing isn't making my statistik bigger http://daniel.holba.ch/five-a-day-stats/ ? and where is simmilar page for each user statistic?
[18:54] <elena09> hello
[18:54] <elena09> Does Ubuntu jaunty have some bug related to HDD? My HDD temperature is pretty high without doing anything and it seems spinning all time, I have a laptop
[18:59] <elena09> hello?
[19:05] <elena09> Does Ubuntu jaunty have some bug related to HDD? My HDD temperature is pretty high without doing anything and it seems spinning all time, I have a laptop
[19:08] <Kangarooo> elena09: HDD is in every OS spinning all the time
[19:09] <Kangarooo> and no it can't be higher than on any other OS :D
[19:09] <elena09> I know, but temperature is above 45 Celsius at me all the time
[19:09] <elena09> There was a bug related to load cycles in Ubuntu 8.10, could it be?
[19:10] <Kangarooo> that's normal.. cpu temp i know for PC is from 50 to 80 I've seen.. tell me only how and where did you saw HDD temp?
[19:12] <elena09> sudo hddtemp /dev/sda that's how
[19:13] <elena09> WDC WD3200BEVT-22ZCT0: 45°C
[19:13] <elena09> and it shows tha...
[19:13] <elena09> that*
[19:14] <Kangarooo> elena09: elena is girls name.. how can you be interested in computers? russian?
[19:14] <Kangarooo> sudo: hddtemp: command not found
[19:15] <elena09> sudo hddtemp /dev/sda
[19:15] <elena09> you must install the package first
[19:16] <elena09> sudo apt-get install hddtemp
[19:16] <elena09> first is that and then ...
[19:16] <elena09> I am a girls yes, but not Russian
[19:16] <micahg> Kangarooo: there's no reason that girls cannot be interested in computers
[19:16] <micahg> Kangarooo: please respect all members in the channel
[19:17] <ogra> elena09, what kind of disk is that ?
[19:17] <Kangarooo> I allways do that :D did something made you feel different? :)
[19:17] <ogra> elena09, do you know the rpm for it ?
[19:18] <Kangarooo> my result /dev/sda: ST92011A: 54°C so its normal
[19:18] <elena09> WDC WD3200BEVT-22ZCT0: 45°C It is a laptop disk
[19:18] <andrea-bs> It may be bug 59695
[19:18] <ogra> having a disk that spins at 7200 or so, 45°C is perfectly normal
[19:18] <ubot4> andrea-bs: Error: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: The read operation timed out
[19:18] <Kangarooo> I have 5400
[19:18] <elena09> let me look in the WD page
[19:18] <elena09> is there a command in Ubuntu for RPM?
[19:19] <Kangarooo> google the code of result of hddtemp
[19:19] <elena09> http://wdc.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/wdc.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=2670&p_created=#jumper
[19:20] <elena09> There is WD page
[19:20] <elena09> and it says 5400RPM
[19:20] <ogra> there is a hw report from a laptop user under arch linux using that disk http://bugs.archlinux.org/task/13110?getfile=3063
[19:20] <ogra> -Hard Disk Temperature-
[19:20] <ogra> WDC WD3200BEVT-22ZCT0 (/dev/sda)		: 52°C
[19:21] <ogra> 45°C dont seem to worrying
[19:21] <ogra> (the bug he reported wasnt about disk temp)
[19:22] <Kangarooo> elena09: is your hdd WD Passport? ist that external? I have also external WD.. will this HDDTEMP also show temp for external USB HDD? And just usb Flash stick?
[19:22] <ogra> if you google for "WD3200BEVT-22ZCT0 temperature" you will find a lot of systems where the disk runs around 40-50°
[19:22] <elena09> it is not external
[19:23] <Kangarooo> 10000 maybe will go even to 80.. why not? and that ok.. computer knows what to do its programmed.. I have 5400 and 54celsius
[19:23] <elena09> hmmm so you say it is ok?
[19:24] <ogra> i would think so
[19:24] <elena09> ogra the disk temperature is perhaps a consequence of hdd activity,
[19:24] <ogra> its hotter than mine (39°C but seems google thinks many people have such a temp)
[19:24] <ogra> definately
[19:25] <elena09> there was a bug In Ubuntu 8.10 related to load/unload cycles; was it solved in Jaunty?
[19:26] <ogra> WDC WD3200BEVT-22ZCT0 hardware monitor
[19:26] <ogra> Temperature sensor 0 44°C (111°F) [0x2C] (HDD)
[19:26] <ogra> thats from a guy using windows ...
[19:27] <ogra> so seems such a temp is relatively typical for that disk
[19:27] <elena09> well, ok. Thank you for helping me.
[19:27] <d1b> ogra: put a fan in front of it
[19:28] <Kangarooo> hdd is spinning all the time.. no matter what.. its just moving its needles up and down if neccesery.. 60celsius is normal..
[19:28] <elena09> ok.
[19:28] <d1b> Kangarooo: 60C for a hard disk ?
[19:28] <elena09> Good night and thanks again.
[19:28] <d1b> since when ?
[19:28] <ogra> Kangarooo, well, HDDs have specs ... 60°C is likely more on the max temp area
[19:28] <Kangarooo> yes even 80 :) why not? cpu is 80 also
[19:28] <d1b> google report on disk use says around 40/30 is good
[19:28] <ogra> your CPU has no bearings :)
[19:28] <d1b> hard disk *
[19:29] <Kangarooo> I found also 66celsius on google
[19:29] <yvan300> how do you check hdd temp?
[19:29] <d1b> yvan300: sudo apt-get install hddtemp
[19:29] <Kangarooo> sudo apt-get install hddtemp
[19:29] <ogra> with the hddtemp tool or smartmon
[19:29] <d1b>  sudo hddtemp /dev/sda
[19:29] <Kangarooo> and that's the biggest bug today in ubuntu :)
[19:30] <d1b> Kangarooo: it has been fixed.
[19:30] <Kangarooo> :D
[19:33] <Kangarooo> is there ar gui tool witch also includes hddtemp ?
[19:34] <yvan300> Kangarooo: sysinfo
[19:35] <yofel> Kangarooo: for gnome there is sensors-applet
[19:37] <ogra> smart-notifier
[19:37] <Kangarooo> sysinfo is 401kb sensors is 1528kb ill now compare.. maybe some place to compare programms? I have some ideas for programm compariong in some web catalog but if there is then I woul like to use it
[19:40] <Kangarooo> ok when I installed sysinfo it showed in menu but sensors-applet didn't.. maybe couse I have not gnome? i have xubuntu
[19:44] <Kangarooo> ogra: smart-notifier 4657kb but it now shows strange menu.. im afraid of strange menu.. even not logical.. it ask what type of mail config I want to be general.. but hardware display tools don't need email..
[19:44] <lesshaste>  I tried to restore debconf and not swell I tried to restore debconf and not something has gone wrong when trying to install the kernels?  See http://pastebin.ca/1481697
[19:45] <lesshaste> any ideas?
[19:45] <lesshaste> oops
[19:45] <lesshaste>  I tried to restore debconf and now something has gone wrong when trying to install the kernels?  See http://pastebin.ca/1481697
[19:45] <ogra> Kangarooo, no idea about it ... it attaches to the S.M.A.R.T interface of your disk which is for failure checking and arnings
[19:45] <ogra> *warnings
[19:45] <Kangarooo> ogra: omg it even installed postfix
[19:46] <ogra> Kangarooo, well, you should take a look at a package before blindly installing it ;)
[19:46] <ogra> apt-cache show <packagename> is your friend
[19:46] <Kangarooo> postfix is for email.. ok how can I do that if I ... aah ok
[19:46] <lesshaste> is this a bug or something wrong with my system?
[19:58] <Kangarooo> yvan300: but sysinfo is not showing hddtemp
[20:13] <lwells> Hi all, how can I get involved
[20:13] <lwells> I want to help
[20:15] <lwells> I know of Lauchpad, just need to be pointed in right direction
[20:18] <MrKanister> lwells: Hi and thanks for your interest in helping :)
[20:19] <lwells> I see the info about bug squad
[20:19] <lwells> Just not sure how to join a team to help and where to start
[20:19] <MrKanister> lwells: Do you have some specific vision of helping? For example more coding or more triaging ?
[20:20] <lwells> What is involved with triaging?
[20:21] <MrKanister> Triaging means you look at new bugs and try to make them good. For example asking the reporter specific things, etc
[20:21] <lwells> I want to be coding and learning also, but help where i can
[20:21] <MrKanister> Developers like to have informative bug reports
[20:21] <hggdh> lwells, basically it is figuring out what is actually the issue (if any), and collecting the necessary documentation to help resolution
[20:22] <lwells> Well I am a NoOb in linux and ubuntu, still learning the system
[20:22] <lwells> So I will need to start out small
[20:22] <MrKanister> lwells: A good way to start cooding would be https://edge.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/karmic
[20:23] <MrKanister> papercuts are small annoyances, that can be fixed by (mostly) a small amount of coding work
[20:24] <lwells> that sounds like a good start
[20:24] <lwells> I am currently using Jaunty, does that matter?
[20:25] <MrKanister> lwells: It shouldn't matter, but having the latest testing version installed makes it sometimes easier to test things
[20:25] <lwells> testing version of the OS?
[20:26] <lwells> Or just a specific package?
[20:26] <hggdh> lwells, yes -- this would mean karmic
[20:26] <MrKanister> testing new packages
[20:26] <lwells> Oh, Karmic is the next version?
[20:26] <hggdh> usually the latest version of a package is on the current development system
[20:26] <MrKanister> sometimes new packages versions mean new depencies which are not present in the old version of the os
[20:26] <hggdh> yes -- Karmic Koala == 9.10
[20:26] <lwells> ahh ok
[20:27] <MrKanister> I think an easy one to fix is https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/275495
[20:27] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 275495 in hundredpapercuts "nautilus search, when several places are choosen only the latest is searched" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[20:27] <lwells> Ok, well I can install Karmic right?
[20:28] <lwells> I mean it is available right?
[20:28] <MrKanister> lwells: It is
[20:28] <MrKanister> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicKoala/TechnicalOverview
[20:28] <MrKanister> This page contains all necessary information for new development releases
[20:29] <lwells> good good
[20:29] <lwells> And do I need to offically register to help?
[20:29] <MrKanister> You mean in launchpad?
[20:29] <lwells> yes
[20:29] <MrKanister> For almost all cases, yes.
[20:30] <lwells> Well I have already have a log in
[20:30] <MrKanister> Then you have all you nedd
[20:30] <MrKanister> * need
[20:31] <lwells> but I do not need to report to a head of Paper Cuts coordinator or something?
[20:31] <MrKanister> communication is always good to let other people know about what you figured out
[20:32] <lwells> ok
[20:32] <MrKanister> but it is not necessary to ask someone if you can take a bug and try to fix it
[20:33] <lwells> And if I need help with a certain issue, I can come here?
[20:33] <hggdh> lwells, the sabic principle is document (i.e., write a comment on the bug) what you did/do/will do
[20:33] <hggdh> s/sabic/basic/ Urgh!
[20:34] <lwells> ok
[20:34] <lwells> then others will read that right?
[20:34] <MrKanister> yes
[20:35] <MrKanister> feel free to ask here for help any time
[20:35] <hggdh> and we will know what was tried, what did not work, and what did. This always help
[20:35] <plars> question, how do you open a release specific sub-task - similar to how https://bugs.launchpad.net/desktop-switcher/+bug/349519 has jaunty and karmic under desktop-switcher?
[20:35] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 349519 in desktop-switcher "Switch Desktop Mode corrupted settings" [High,Fix committed]
[20:36] <MrKanister> lwells: When starting to fix bugs the Packaging Guide at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide might be of a big help
[20:36] <hggdh> plars, you nominate for a release
[20:36] <plars> hggdh: how does it know which task to put it under?
[20:37] <lwells> thanks man, you guys are very helpful
[20:38] <MrKanister> lwells: You are welcome :)
[20:38] <lwells> I know I will be back, I just need to try not to be a pest
[20:39] <hggdh> plars, you nominate the bug, not the action
[20:42] <plars> hggdh: so you use the "Target to release" link?
[20:45] <hggdh> plars, what bug #?
[20:45] <plars> hggdh: it's more of a general question
[20:46] <plars> hggdh: also, on some bugs, instead of that "target to release" link, I see "Nominate for release" in the same spot
[20:47] <plars> this is a part of the process that I have seen little or nothing written about
[20:47] <hggdh> plars, give me some, and I will search on it
[20:48] <hggdh> but, generically, "we the people" can only *nominate* for a release. Only a very small group can *target* a release
[20:49] <plars> hggdh: what is the difference then? and why do some bugs have one, and others have the other?
[20:50] <hggdh> let's say Joe Blow (an user, not a member of the special group) would like a specific bug resolved on release Jaunty; this bug has already been fixed on Karmic. So Joe Blow goes and nominate it for Jaunty.
[20:51] <hggdh> it does not mean it will be accepted for jaunty, just that someone thinks it would be good to have there.
[20:51] <hggdh> Now, when you *target*, you are looking at the future.
[20:52] <hggdh> You would like a certain feature, or bug, resolved at most as of version X+n, where X is the current version of the package
[20:52] <hggdh> so you are targeting to the future, and nominating to the past
[20:53] <plars> ah, I see
[20:53] <plars> odd that only one of those links appears though
[20:53] <hggdh> well, I would expect you would have to be the maintainer to target
[20:53] <hggdh> so most of us would not be able to do it
[21:07] <Ampelbein> bdmurray: hi. do you know of any efforts of rewriting bughelper to use python-launchpadlib?
[21:08] <Ampelbein> bdmurray: i started an own version at https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~amoog/bughelper/bughelper-lplib which basically works for me. But before I go and add more and more options I'd like to make sure there is no such effort at the moment.
[21:09] <bdmurray> Ampelbein: I'm not aware of one but haven't talked to thekorn about it
[21:13] <Ampelbein> bdmurray: ok, I think I'll write an email to him.
[21:35] <hggdh> seb128, in gdm ./postinst -- is this correct? http://pastebin.ca/1482281
[22:05] <seb128> hggdh, that didn't change in years, do you think it's incorrect?
[22:07] <hggdh> seb128, not really, I just find it weird to have update-rc.d called twice in a row
[22:07] <seb128> yeah, seems weird but I don't think that's what stop your gdm before
[22:08] <seb128> it's supposed to restart if no instance is running though
[22:08] <seb128> so maybe it didn't detect that one was start
[22:08] <seb128> started
[22:08] <hggdh> might be. I will try to reinstall, and see what happens
[22:18] <BUGabundo> boas noites
[22:25] <lesshaste> can anyone help with this ? http://pastebin.ca/1482194
[22:39] <limcore> Hi
[22:39] <limcore> this is how a LOCKED screen looks in ubuntu http://launchpadlibrarian.net/28626240/dscn9364.v03.jpg
[22:39] <limcore> secure eh?  And this bug is around 2007.
[22:43] <lesshaste> limcore: which bug number?
[22:43] <BUGabundo> limcore: heeheh
[22:43] <BUGabundo> nice bug
[22:43] <BUGabundo> compiz is on?
[22:44] <lesshaste> does it have a bug number?
[22:45] <lesshaste> because you say it is from 2007
[22:45] <limcore> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/394691
[22:45] <ubot4> limcore: Error: This bug is private
[22:45] <limcore> oh snap
[22:46] <limcore> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/394691
[22:46] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 394691 in ubuntu "[9.04 amd64 + nvidia = FAIL] security hole in screensaver" [Undecided,New]
[22:46] <limcore> lesshaste: you could google for older reports. I think I reported them way back in debian.
[22:46] <lesshaste> limcore: and the debian people didn't take it seriously?
[22:47] <lesshaste> why was it private?
[22:47] <limcore> I dont remember now
[22:47] <limcore> you know... 2 years..
[22:47] <limcore> my friends got married
[22:47] <limcore> I moved to another country
[22:47] <limcore> and back
[22:47] <limcore> and again away
[22:47] <limcore> and back
[22:47] <lesshaste> ok so have you actually tested this?
[22:47] <limcore> but no need to rush heh.
[22:47] <lesshaste> for example using the open source driver?
[22:47] <lesshaste> there is very little info in your bug report to be honests
[22:48] <limcore> all info is there
[22:48] <limcore> the exploit attack:   1. lock screen   2. move mouse
[22:48] <lesshaste> ok so let me give you examples of what are missing
[22:48] <limcore> and hardware conditions
[22:48] <lesshaste> a) the exact driver you are using
[22:48] <lesshaste> b) the exact card and hardware set up.. i.e. the output of lspci -vv etc.
[22:48] <limcore> about soft, it seems all soft is affected (ubuntus since 8.04 or even 7.x,  debians around 2007)
[22:48] <lesshaste> there is a page on what info to provide for bug reports
[22:49] <lesshaste> supply your X config file too
[22:49] <lesshaste> and the output of dmesg
[22:49] <limcore> it affected multiply computers
[22:49] <lesshaste> and test the open source driver
[22:49] <lesshaste> and with and without compiz
[22:49] <limcore> on nvidia and intell.  right, I will update the title
[22:49] <lesshaste> you need to give some info!
[22:49] <lesshaste> update the contents!
[22:50] <lesshaste> and provide the info I mention
[22:51] <lesshaste> limcore: lspci -vvnn is needed
[22:51] <lesshaste> as is dmesg
[22:53] <lesshaste> limcore: I also can't tell if you think this is related to the nvidia driver or not
[22:53] <lesshaste> because you should understand that no one fixes problems related to the closed source nvidia driver
[22:53] <lesshaste> so if you can reproduce it with an open source driver you have much greater chances
[22:57] <limcore> more info now, lesshaste
[22:57] <limcore> well, about this that we do not fixd problems related to close source nvidia driver
[22:58] <lesshaste> limcore: you have not supplied any of the info I said
[22:58] <limcore> let me show you how users care wether their ubuntu is insecure because of some nvidia driver or because of error in screensaver software,
[22:58] <lesshaste> you only changed the summary
[22:58] <lesshaste> if you don't fill in the bug report properly no one will pay attention to it
[22:58] <limcore> --><-- this much.   --->|*********************|<- and that much is how China government cares for human rights
[22:58] <lesshaste> then add the correct information to the bug report
[22:59] <limcore> so my point is, even if this would be just nvidia closed error (which is not, because also intell), it should be worked around
[22:59] <limcore> actually I guess the fix would be something like...
[22:59] <lesshaste> why don't you want to add the correct information?
[22:59] <limcore> - fillrect(0,0, xsize, ysize);
[22:59] <limcore> + fillrect(0,0, 99999,99999);
[23:00] <lesshaste> just add the correct information to the bug report!!!
[23:00] <limcore> so perhaps its best to try to just patch it, without wondering when exactly is this triggered?
[23:00] <limcore> ok lesshaste, that too
[23:01] <lesshaste> once you have added the correct information, including your xorg conf etc.
[23:02] <lesshaste> test it with the open source nvidia driver
[23:02] <lesshaste> then someone will look at it properly
[23:02] <lesshaste> but not before
[23:02] <limcore> mhm, but this happens as well on intel, lesshaste
[23:02] <lesshaste> also, what do you mean by "probably"?
[23:02] <lesshaste> limcore: you haven't submitted a bug report with your system using the intel driver... do you not understand what i am saying?
[23:03] <lesshaste> find a system that exhibits this problem and report it properly
[23:03] <lesshaste> if there are two, report them both in the same bug
[23:03] <lesshaste> that's fine
[23:03] <lesshaste> but you haven't included a single config file, dmesg output, lspci -vvn output or anythung!
[23:03] <lesshaste> your bug report is USELESS !
[23:03] <lesshaste> :)
[23:03] <BUGabundo> lesshaste: why not ask limcore to use apport-collect?
[23:03] <lesshaste> BUGabundo: help :)
[23:04] <lesshaste> limcore: please listen to BUGabundo
[23:04] <BUGabundo> limcore: $ apport-collect -p linux BUGID
[23:04] <BUGabundo> limcore: $ apport-collect -p compiz BUGID
[23:04] <BUGabundo> limcore: $ apport-collect -p nvidia-glx-WHATEVERVERSIONYOUHAVE BUGID
[23:05] <ikonia> limcore: if you start your usual behaviour in here - you will be banned also
[23:05] <lesshaste> ikonia: aha.. what is that usual behaviour?
[23:05] <lesshaste> pm?
[23:05] <BUGabundo> ikonia: is he a known bad user ?
[23:05] <ikonia> BUGabundo: very - yes
[23:05] <ikonia> hence why I am now stepping in
[23:05] <lesshaste> thanks
[23:05] <BUGabundo> ikonia: worse them me ? :p
[23:05] <lesshaste> I was getting frustrated
[23:06] <ikonia> BUGabundo: you are an angel in comparission
[23:06] <BUGabundo> ahahaahaaha
[23:06] <BUGabundo> thank you so much
[23:06] <lesshaste> the risk is that limcore is 11
[23:06] <lesshaste> and we should all be really nice to him :)
[23:06] <ikonia> if he persists in his ranting about how bad/insecure ubuntu is he will be removed
[23:06] <ikonia> just to make that clear in public
[23:07] <lesshaste> ikonia: is there a #ubuntu-rant?
[23:07] <ikonia> no
[23:07] <lesshaste> :) it was a joke
[23:07] <BUGabundo> there's #ubuntu-offtopic
[23:07] <BUGabundo> but even that has limits!
[23:07] <lesshaste> ah right
[23:07] <lesshaste> offofftopic
[23:07] <lesshaste> I think he's given up in any case
[23:08] <lesshaste> which is a shame as he may have a real bug there
[23:08] <lesshaste> which should be fixed
[23:08] <ikonia> I suggest we move on
[23:08] <lesshaste> in my case.. to sleep
[23:08] <lesshaste> bye all
[23:16] <limcore> hey what?  wait I was PMing about some nonsense ban list on ubuntu
[23:16] <limcore> was a bit away.
[23:18] <BUGabundo> limcore: calm down please!
[23:19] <limcore> ikonia: what do you mean? If I report bugs about ubuntu being insecure?
[23:20] <BUGabundo> no
[23:20] <ikonia> limcore: it's not nonsense - you where ban dodging
[23:20] <BUGabundo> if you just make a lot of senseless noise aobut it
[23:20] <ikonia> BUGabundo: exactly
[23:20] <limcore> BUGabundo: you seen the photo. This is a bug or not?
[23:20] <BUGabundo> seems so
[23:21] <BUGabundo> I can't reproduce, and your bug lacks the info I asked
[23:21] <ikonia> this is common issue
[23:21] <limcore> ok I can update it
[23:23] <BUGabundo> ikonia: known?
[23:23] <ikonia> not the issue the behaviour, lacks info
[23:23] <BUGabundo> ah
[23:32] <limcore> ikonia: as a side note, last time I debugged fully with gdb and reported to developers, the bug did not get fixed. It was in 2007, the bug exists still today (although now less conditions trigger it)
[23:33] <ikonia> limcore: I'm not interested with your nonsense - I'm just making it clear if you start your usual antics you will be removed
[23:34] <ikonia> limcore: it's interesting that you know how to use gdb to debug software, yet you where in #ubuntu earlier using another nick asking what "uname" did
[23:34] <BUGabundo> calm down you two!
[23:35] <limcore> ikonia: pm? -offtopic?
[23:35] <BUGabundo> lets see if we get a good quality bug, instead
[23:35] <ikonia> ?
[23:35] <BUGabundo> ikonia: ahahha not everyone know every thing
[23:46] <micahg> ping bdmurray
[23:53] <bdmurray> micahg: Hi
[23:54] <micahg> hi, any plans to make the firefox-lp scripts compatible with ff3.5?
[23:55] <bdmurray> No, I wasn't aware there was an issue.
[23:55] <micahg> maybe just the version # needs to be bumped
[23:55] <micahg> but it's greyed out in 3.5
[23:56] <BUGabundo> humm
[23:56] <BUGabundo> most work on 3.6
[23:56] <BUGabundo> but karma one doesn't!
[23:56] <micahg> I installed the package from teh ppa
[23:56] <micahg> it installed an extension
[23:56] <micahg> that's not compatible with 3.5
[23:56] <micahg> or marked as such