[00:53] <instructor> :-(
[00:54] <instructor> Kwin doesn't want to play with me anymore
[00:59] <instructor> Also my fonts just went apenuts
[01:11] <instructor> no clue what happened but I rebooted and X is acting weird, I can't set Compositing to on and my fonts looks like they had their hair combed by a shotgun
[01:24] <instructor> hi JontheEchidna
[01:24] <JontheEchidna> hi
[01:24] <instructor> going to Akademy?
[01:25] <JontheEchidna> nope
[01:25] <instructor> yeah me either :-(
[01:25] <instructor> How's weather wallpaper coming along?
[01:25] <JontheEchidna> pretty well, it's in KDE 4.3 in kdeplasma-addons
[01:26] <JontheEchidna> the advanced config dialog will probably be the big feature for 4.4
[01:27]  * JontheEchidna is going to visit relatives starting tomorrow until the 13th
[01:27] <instructor> X froze
[01:28] <instructor> Or
[01:28] <JontheEchidna> oh, well that would explain why the conversation stopped :P
[01:28] <JontheEchidna> I totally didn't see your exit message
[01:28] <instructor> did something. Screen went black and the keyboard froze. magic keys didn't work
[01:28] <JontheEchidna> [20:25:38] <JontheEchidna> pretty well, it's in KDE 4.3 in kdeplasma-addons
[01:28] <JontheEchidna> [20:25:52] <JontheEchidna> the advanced config dialog will probably be the big feature for 4.4
[01:28] <JontheEchidna> [20:27:08] * JontheEchidna is going to visit relatives starting tomorrow until the 13th
[01:31] <instructor> JontheEchidna: Yeah I saw. Is it affected by the weather bug that Aseigo blogged about ?
[01:32] <JontheEchidna> not directly (I don't have to do anything to fix it) but functionally if somebody's using a unpatched weather data engine, then they'll run in to the bug too
[01:33] <instructor> it's patched for RC1 though?
[01:33] <JontheEchidna> right
[01:33] <instructor> ok
[01:33] <instructor> I tried it out and I got a big blue wallpaper
[01:34] <JontheEchidna> which weather provider?
[01:34] <instructor> as I recall it was supposed to take 30 minutes to change and I wanted to see the virus wallpaper
[01:34] <instructor> BBC I think
[01:34] <JontheEchidna> BBC's the good one, hmm
[01:34] <instructor> So I switched to the other wallpapers and played with virus and marble for a while then switched back and it was the same
[01:34] <instructor> I guess it doesn't work like that?
[01:35] <instructor> once I change it from the weather wallpaper it stops checking in the background?
[01:35] <JontheEchidna> right, the plugin is unloaded when you switch to another one
[01:35] <instructor> ok so I have to let it sit there for a while
[01:35] <instructor> I'll try when I update the other machine to RC1
[01:35] <instructor> This one is fairly broken
[01:35] <JontheEchidna> the first update shouldn't take 30 mins though
[01:36] <instructor> Well it updated instantly. Just to a boring wallpaper :)
[01:36] <instructor> The plan I guess is to have a selection of wallpapers for each of the weather types and if the weather doesn't change a lot you can still cycle thrugh the available wallpapers?
[01:37] <JontheEchidna> Such functionality would be possible to implement, but the size of the weather wallpapers would increase exponentially
[01:38] <JontheEchidna> if I had to ship several wallpapers for 3 resolutions for each weather, it'd take up a *ton* of space
[01:39] <JontheEchidna> the plan for the near future is just to have the user be able to set a wallpaper for a specific weather condition
[01:39] <JontheEchidna> which should keep peeps happy for a while ;-)
[01:42] <instructor> maybe a kghns source?
[01:43] <instructor> Oh wait. So it can't do that? :)
[01:43] <instructor> JontheEchidna: and it's not planned to do that either
[01:44] <JontheEchidna> not planned to do what?
[01:44] <instructor> have multiple wallpapers for the same weather condition
[01:44] <instructor> for like say... Arizona
[01:44] <JontheEchidna> the tricky part would be finding a way to make it configurable in the UI without cluttering everything up
[01:45] <instructor> or KDE peeps in Antartic research camps
[01:45] <instructor> Well I guess then yeah lets see the UI for configuration and then see what we can do
[01:46] <instructor> Though I would suspect that you can just have a drop down box for the weather condition a scrollbox for the wallpapers with add/remove options and a preview pane
[01:46] <instructor> Doesn
[01:46] <instructor> t sound too complex to me
[01:46] <JontheEchidna> I have one that "works", but it only changes the wallpaper for the preview in the Desktop settings dialog
[01:46] <JontheEchidna> and the settings don't get saved :P
[01:47] <instructor> Ah right I think I remember you blogging that
[01:47] <instructor> and you had no idea why it was doing that?
[01:47] <JontheEchidna> still don't
[01:47] <instructor> Is that code public anywhere?
[01:47] <JontheEchidna> my dialog? I didn't commit it because we were in freezes out the ass
[01:48] <JontheEchidna> http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Jn7tUiuzfcA/SeOQ6i2OEBI/AAAAAAAAAF4/3MqN8zV-Lb8/s1600-h/customconfig.png
[01:48]  * instructor puts up a wallpaper of frozen nuts on a tree
[01:48] <instructor> You hid the code in the png? X-D
[01:48] <JontheEchidna> nah, that's just the pic I had in the blog
[01:49] <instructor> I'm guessing you bounced the code off #plasma ?
[01:49] <JontheEchidna> nah, haven't done that yet
[01:49] <JontheEchidna> been quite too busy
[01:49] <instructor> \o/ Kubuntu train rolling
[01:50] <instructor> Wish the kernel would stop freezing everytime I touch X though
[01:50] <JontheEchidna> I suppose I could commit the feature tonight, go away for a week and a half, and hope to see commits when I return :P
[01:59] <instructor> ha ha :-) Not for Akademy week
[02:00] <instructor> In any case I'm getting on home
[02:00] <instructor> see you later
[02:06] <JontheEchidna> later
[04:12] <jet> Can anyone tell me how to use plasmoidviewer to test a build of a plasmoid I'm hacking on?  I understand it can be done from the compile dir... Command appears to require a "name" rather than a path
[04:15] <jet> network-manager is giving me trouble - I just want to build it locally and hack it until I know what's going wrong
[04:33] <jet> Latest version of plasmoidviewer appears to accept a directory but doesn't like mine for some reason
[04:35] <ScottK> NCommander: Interesting: Looks like the same type of issue as qt4-x11: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-workspace/4:4.2.95-0ubuntu2/+build/1103093/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-karmic-armel.kdebase-workspace_4:4.2.95-0ubuntu2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[04:35] <NCommander> *sigh*
[04:35] <NCommander> I might get to it this year
[04:36] <ScottK> NCommander: I see a trend developing: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdepim/4:4.2.95svn20090701-0ubuntu1/+build/1102490/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-karmic-armel.kdepim_4:4.2.95svn20090701-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[04:37] <NCommander> I don't see a bild failure
[04:38] <ScottK> All hung waiting for some debug related thing.
[04:38] <NCommander> crap
[04:39] <NCommander> ScottK, can you point pitti at that, he know more about that subsystem than I do
[04:39] <ScottK> It looks to me like an armel specific debug build issue.  kdebase-workspace built yesterday and there are only very minor changes in the package.
[04:39] <ScottK> You're the armel dude.  I'm offline tomorrow, so if you could pass it on, I'd appreciate it.
[04:40] <NCommander> I'm off as now ;-)
[04:40] <NCommander> But I'll poke pitti on it
[04:45] <ScottK> Thanks.
[05:14] <ScottK> NCommander: The pattern continues.  https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/4:4.2.95-0ubuntu1/+build/1100660/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-karmic-armel.kdebase_4:4.2.95-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[05:14]  * ScottK is off to bed.
[08:08] <pkt> is gwenview-i18n FTBFS?
[08:09] <pkt> for some reason it is not in karmic and it blocks kubuntu-desktop from being installable
[08:22] <pkt> oh, I see it was deleted on purpose
[08:22] <pkt> then it probably needs to be removed from the metapackages as well
[08:59] <pkt> turns out this was not a kubuntu bug, sorry for the noise (the problem was live-helper's fault)
[12:12] <JontheEchidna> be back in a week and a half
[12:12] <jussi01> JontheEchidna: nooooooo!!! dont go!!
[12:12] <jussi01> :D
[12:12] <JontheEchidna> I'll try to get on IRC a bit
[12:13] <jussi01> JontheEchidna: really, go, have a break, you deserve it.
[13:35] <nixternal> GOOOOOOOOOOOOOD MORNING KUBUNTEERS!
[13:36] <refic> morning
[13:36] <emonkey> morning? that would be cool, I'm working since more then 8 hours ... ok, on the other hand .... TGIF the weekend is nearly here
[13:37] <emonkey> :) so good morning
[13:37] <e-jat> morning nixternal
[14:33] <txwikinger_work> what is with qanta on the KDE4.3 rc1? Did it not compile, or are the dependencies wrong?
[14:33] <Riddell> quanta doesn't have a KDE 4 version
[14:34] <Riddell> (it's waiting on kdevelop 4)
[14:38] <lex79> someone can upload launchpad bug 395162 ? thanks
[14:41] <Riddell> can do
[14:42] <lex79> :)
[14:43] <txwikinger_work> Riddell: well.. can't we still use the 3.5 version instead of just removing it?
[14:44] <txwikinger_work> or whatever version was there before RC1
[14:47] <Riddell> txwikinger_work: by all means, it's still in the archive
[14:48] <txwikinger_work> would be cool.. I don't really want to use ugly bluefish instead ;)
[14:48] <Riddell> sudo apt-get install quanta
[14:50] <rgreening> Riddell: update-notifier-kde system-sestart icon seems to be renamed to system-reboot.. sup update-notifier needs updating to reflect...
[14:50] <rgreening> system-restart => system-reboot
[14:51] <Riddell> rgreening: you have commit access :)  https://code.edge.launchpad.net/update-notifier-kde
[14:51] <rgreening> I've no cycles to fix atm.. perhaps Quintasan, ryanakca_, or shtylman_ can look at updating is Riddell can update
[14:51] <rgreening> $work calls
[14:52] <rgreening> if someone doesn't get to it before i do... (I just needed to ensure someone knew...)
[14:56] <shtylman_> what do I need to do ?
[14:56] <Riddell> checkout, grep, edit, commit
[14:56] <shtylman_> for?
[14:57] <Daskreech> RC broke my compositing
[14:57] <Daskreech> well Karmic broke my compositing
[14:57] <shtylman_> Riddell: what do I do with update-notifier-kde?
[14:58]  * shtylman_ just woke up ... is behind ...
[14:58] <Riddell> 14:50 < rgreening> Riddell: update-notifier-kde system-sestart icon seems to be renamed to system-reboot.. sup update-notifier needs updating to reflect...
[14:58] <shtylman_> got it
[15:01] <shtylman_> Riddell: which branch should I get? kubuntu-members? it is the latest one...
[15:02] <rgreening> ty shtylman_. Yep, should be the current branch
[15:02] <Daskreech> Can I file a bug that more details in kpackagekit is a lie?
[15:02] <rgreening> Daskreech: sure thing...
[15:03] <Riddell> shtylman_: trunk
[15:13] <shtylman_> Riddell: lp:~shtylman/update-notifier-kde/rename
[15:14] <lex79> launchpad bug 395183
[15:15] <lex79> now we can drop qt phonon patches \o/
[15:21] <shtylman_> Riddell: do I need a merge request? or can you just pull from it?
[15:21] <Riddell> I can pull
[15:21] <Riddell> although can't you commit to ~kubuntu-members?
[15:27] <shtylman_> Riddell: not that I know of...
[16:49] <seele> maco: yeah, don't worry about the debugging stuff, just the user stuff
[16:54] <Daskreech> rickspencer3: Are you @gcds ?
[16:55] <rickspencer3> Daskreech: yes indeed
[16:55] <rickspencer3> are you?
[16:55] <nixternal> vorian: Sara Evans, front row, tonight!
[16:55] <Daskreech> No :-( Wanted to but had some complications then found out it cost 480,000 to go then had a teaching commitnemnt
[16:55] <Daskreech> So want to be there
[16:56] <nixternal> and...WAR! Low ri-der drives a little slower
[16:56] <vorian> hmm
[16:56] <vorian> nixternal: i had to google her
[16:56] <Daskreech> I read that as oggle
[16:57] <nixternal> I saw Heart and Blue Oyster Cult last night
[16:57] <vorian> same
[16:57] <nixternal> vorian: you like country and don't know Sara Evans?
[16:57] <nixternal> shame on you!
[16:57] <vorian> I do not like country
[16:57] <nixternal> oh, I thought you did
[16:57] <vorian> I am forced to listen to it at work
[16:57] <nixternal> cuz you are in hillbilly land :)
[16:57] <vorian> yes
[16:57] <nixternal> I love Sara Evans! Love Love Love!
[16:58] <vorian> I can see why
[16:58] <vorian> :P
[16:58] <nixternal> oh come on, she is an awesome singer
[16:58] <seele> rickspencer3: where are you staying?
[16:58] <nixternal> I so wanted to go to gcds :(
[16:58] <nixternal> and UDS :(
[16:58] <nixternal> and Taco Bell :(
[16:59] <lex79> vorian: o/
[16:59] <seele> in that order?
[16:59] <rickspencer3> seele: Fatanga
[16:59] <vorian> hi lex79
[16:59] <nixternal> seele: Taco Bell can fall in anywhere :)
[16:59] <seele> rickspencer3: gah, you people and your expensive hotels
[16:59]  * nixternal needs a job that pays the bills and lets me go to conferences
[16:59] <vorian> btw folks - kobby and kalternatives are now in the archives
[16:59] <nixternal> seele: hahaha :)
[16:59] <rickspencer3> seele: I don't think it's particularly expensive, but in any case, are you here?
[16:59] <nixternal> no "Days Inn"?
[17:00] <seele> rickspencer3: yeah, i'm in Ingramar
[17:00] <nixternal> no Motel 6? No one to leave the light on for you?
[17:00] <rickspencer3> seele: this is great news
[17:00] <rickspencer3> I thought you weren
[17:00] <seele> looking for food and directions to the social event later tonight
[17:00] <rickspencer3> t coming for some reason
[17:00] <rickspencer3> seele: come to Fatanga, and we can go over with you
[17:00] <seele> rickspencer3:i'm on the conference committee ;)
[17:00] <rickspencer3> seele: the party is right next to the conference
[17:01] <seele> oh, nice
[17:01] <seele> let me look up directions to fataga
[17:12] <seele> rickspencer3: gonna throw my laptop back to my room and head over to fataga. be there in maybe 10-15?
[17:14] <rickspencer3> seele: sounds great!
[17:15] <shtylman> I have a massive kernel problem :(
[17:16] <shtylman> I can;t boot into the new (.31) kernel because of a problem: device-mapper says that sda and sdb are too small for target
[17:16] <shtylman> I don't even know what that means...both of those disks are 32GB and they are in raid 0 ... never had problems with previous kernels...
[17:16] <shtylman> anyone seeing anything similar? (note those are SSDs)
[17:36] <nixternal> shtylman: using the -13 kernel? I had that issue yesterday but it was fixed with the latest kernel
[17:41] <shtylman> hmm
[17:41] <shtylman> I just updated not more than 30 min ago
[17:41] <shtylman> and had that issue
[18:04] <Riddell> shtylman: gosh, you're not a Kubuntu Member
[18:04] <Daskreech> Riddell: Not at akademy?
[18:04] <Riddell> just been using my complementary Qt towel for a swim in the sea
[18:05] <Daskreech> >_>
[18:05] <Daskreech> Sure I'm not jealous at all
[18:06] <Riddell> oh wheesht we're still getting "this is good, but in Jamaica it was 10 times as good" comments
[18:07] <shtylman> Riddell: :)
[18:08] <Daskreech> Yeah I know Jamaica was better but we didn't get Qt towels :-P
[18:13] <Daskreech> It's going to be hard to top Jamaica as a destination for at least a few years
[21:06] <beda_> nobody talking?
[21:09] <Daskreech> n
[21:09] <Daskreech> o
[21:09] <Daskreech> Blast
[21:09] <Daskreech> now we are
[21:09] <dajomu> good. I thought i was going deaf :)
[21:31] <rgreening> Riddell: arora does not support ftp:// properly...
[21:34] <rgreening> very buggy
[21:38] <Daskreech> arora is very buggy
[21:38] <Daskreech>  Hotmail doens't work at all in it
[21:38] <Daskreech> Gmail crashes the whole program
[21:38] <Daskreech> it's close enough to Firefox to feel comfortable but not quite enough to work
[21:39]  * Daskreech is setting back Konqueror as default browser
[21:43] <Tm_T> Daskreech: "but webkit gives users the experience they need!"
[21:44] <Tm_T> yeah, webkit is good, but we need working UI (:
[21:50] <ghostcube> midori oO
[21:53] <Tm_T> ghostcube: that cannot be used in Kubuntu, sowwy
[21:55] <ryanakca_> rgreening: What needed to be done?
[21:56] <Daskreech> No webkit doesn't work for me nearly at all
[21:56] <rgreening> ryanakca_: I believe shtylman has taken care of it.
[21:56] <ryanakca_> lovely :)
[22:28] <ghostcube> btw what about the error in the rc1 packages i havent tried so far
[22:28] <ghostcube> will this be fixed
[22:28] <ghostcube> ?
[22:29] <neversfelde> ghostcube: which error?
[22:29] <ghostcube> the x crash error mentioned on kubuntu.org
[22:29] <ghostcube> :)
[22:30] <neversfelde> ah ok, sorry don't know
[22:30] <ghostcube> np
[22:30]  * neversfelde always upgrade KDE on tty1
[22:31] <neversfelde> so I did not get this error
[22:31] <ghostcube> :)
[22:36] <nixternal> neversfelde: +1 on tty :)
[22:36] <nixternal> I do the same
[22:37] <neversfelde> :)
[22:38] <blizzz> did it as well, however, a running X crashed anyway
[22:38] <neversfelde> after two days of testing D20icecc I can note that it does not work with the standart .pbuilderrc from the MOTU docs^^
[22:44] <neversfelde> the Kubuntu Netbook Edition is an exciting project