[00:00] <simon__> cant find any arts process when typing ps -A
[00:00] <simon__> I got kubuntu 0.04
[00:01] <simon__> would be nice if I could get any help
[00:01] <simon__> (I cant run two audio processes at once)
[00:03] <simon__> how sad-.... i guess its all about my freaking soundcard..
[00:06] <ign0ramus> simon__, i believe aRts no longer exists in Jaunty (9.04)... could be wrong, though.
[00:07] <thesandman>  Ign0ramus: can you tell me how many root servers am I suppose to have ?
[00:07] <simon__> oh. thanks. is it just alsa now?
[00:08] <simon__> ign0ramus: or what is it now?
[00:08] <ign0ramus> simon__, i believe it is OSS -> Alsa -> Pulseaudio
[00:08] <ign0ramus> simon__, although Pulseaudio is currently pointless (and detrimental) in Kubuntu (or KDE in general)
[00:08] <simon__> oss...? thought that died once ago..
[00:09] <ign0ramus> simon__, i'm just reciting from memory, but i believe OSS is still present in Jaunty
[00:09] <ign0ramus> thesandman, what do you mean? (what are you trying to accomplish?)
[00:09] <plaguehiv> ok, still having problems whit my driver.
[00:10] <thesandman> well I was looking at some of thoses commands in the bash command link you sent me and I saw a lot of root servers present and was wandering why so many and just in general was someone there that was not suppose to be
[00:10] <simon__> ign0ramus: --
[00:11] <simon__> ign0ramus: ... as i just mentioned i used debian befor kubuntu... there, oss was not used... so far i know
[00:11] <ign0ramus> !sound | simon__
[00:11] <ign0ramus> simon__, OK, dont listen to that... that's old info :/
[00:12] <ign0ramus> we should really fix that one ...
[00:13] <ign0ramus> thesandman, for all intents and purposes, 'root' on the cheatsheet is really just 'superuser'
[00:13] <ign0ramus> !kdesudo | thesandman
[00:14] <thesandman> Ign0ramus how do you change your replies to red?.....i been trying to learn how to change my font color in here for a while now...even though someone tried to tell me but it still want work for me for some strange reason
[00:14] <ign0ramus> thesandman, if you're used to Vista, it's like running with Administrator Privileges
[00:15] <thesandman> ok
[00:15] <ign0ramus> thesandman, depends on your IRC client.  I use Konversation, and when someone types my nick, the font is red, and a sound plays. I set this in Settings
[00:16] <ign0ramus> thesandman, a part of Linux security is running with limited privileges, so that malicious apps/commands will not be able to wreak havoc on your entire system.  It's a pain to enter passwords frequently, but it is much more secure :)
[00:18] <thesandman> ign0ramus: thanks
[00:18] <ign0ramus> thesandman, any time :)
[00:18] <harjot> right guys does any1 know how to completely turn off and on usb ports????????????????????????????
[00:23] <thesandman> Is anyone here familiar with wine and the use of it?
[00:23] <bazhang> thesandman, a bit
[00:23] <bazhang> thesandman, first check the appdb to see if wine runs it well (or at all)
[00:23] <bazhang> !appdb > thesandman
[00:24] <bazhang> thesandman, for specialized help, /join #winehq
[00:24] <thesandman> from my understanding it's suppose to be used like autorun on Microsoft...is that true?...ok ubott I think I know what you want
[00:26] <`Onyx> Hi. For some reason my taskbar items have become blank. Is there a way to fix this without rebooting the entire system?
[00:26] <bazhang> thesandman, sorry no idea about anything windows, read the links, check the appdb and you should be good to go
[00:27] <thesandman> bazhang: ok thanks
[00:31] <doom777> hey, does anyone know how to install amarok2.1? I added the deb line to sources.list like the website says; now what?
[00:31] <bazhang> doom777, what version of kubuntu
[00:32] <doom777> 9.0.4
[00:32] <doom777> 9.04
[00:32] <harjot> right guys does any1 know how to completely turn off and on usb ports????????????????????????????
[00:32] <doom777> i just got it the day before yesterday
[00:32] <bazhang> doom777, did you update? sudo apt-get update
[00:32] <doom777> no let me try
[00:32] <bazhang> harjot, why would you need to do that
[00:32] <`Onyx> sudo apt-get install amarok
[00:33] <doom777> onyx i tried that
[00:33] <harjot> cause i created a usb cable hthat gives a power supply for my electronics
[00:33] <doom777> bazhang: didn't work; still 2.0
[00:33] <harjot> kit
[00:33] <doom777> `Onyx: it gives me 2.0
[00:33] <bazhang> harjot, ##hardware
[00:33] <`Onyx> You're using the old repositories
[00:33] <doom777> i added the line from 2.1
[00:33] <`Onyx> Are they uncommented?
[00:33] <doom777> to sources.list
[00:34] <doom777> yes, i added it uncommented
[00:34] <harjot> bazhang: is that a channel???
[00:34] <`Onyx> Hm
[00:34] <bazhang> harjot, yes
[00:34] <harjot> ok ty
[00:45] <thesandman> I know to some of you all this may sound stupid but i want to know can I burn an unzip file to a cd rom?
[00:46] <mathay> thesandman: what do you mean? A file that's been zipped or a file that's been unzipped?
[00:47] <thesandman> one that I downloaded to be burn that is zipped...do I need to extract it to burn it?
[00:49] <thesandman> mathay: it says it's bzipped...do i need to try and unzipp it?
[00:50] <mathay> thesandman: You can burn into on to a CD. Make sure it's a data CD and you should be good to go.
[00:51] <thesandman> so i cant put a zipped file on regular cd?
[01:09] <vlt> Hello. I ran a cpu intensive bzip2 job on the console. After a few minutes the kernel began to print the following message every 10 seconds: "BUG: soft lockup - CPU#0 stuck for 11s [top:6635]". When I hit SysReq+e (terminate) I got a large kernel dump w/ a last line: "kernel panic ... not syncing ... fatal exception in interrupt". Any idea where to look for the problem?
[01:15] <tzanger> *sigh* good evening.  Could someone please give me the output of the 'id' command for the "default" user installed on their kubunut 9.04 system?  I just issued usermod -G newgroup myname instead of -aG and lost all my group settings.
[01:15] <zenilton> ola boa noite
[01:16] <bazhang> !br
[01:16] <zenilton> #ubuntu-br
[01:16] <tzanger> anyone?
[01:17] <Turkeyrole> this channel is a waste no one will give a hint here. This IS NOT a support channel
[01:17] <tzanger> Turkeyrole: I've received quite a bit of help and support over the while i've used kbuntu
[01:18] <Fanfare> tzanger: by default u mean yout username?
[01:18] <tzanger> er kubuntu
[01:18] <tzanger> Fanfare: yeah when you first install kubuntu it sets up the first user
[01:18] <tzanger> that user
[01:19] <Fanfare> Gruppen=4(adm),20(dialout),24(cdrom),46(plugdev),60(games),112(lpadmin),119(admin),120(sambashare),
[01:19] <tzanger> that's what I needed, thanks
[01:19] <tzanger> Fanfare: were there more, after sambashare, there's a comma
[01:19] <Fanfare> plus group named like your user
[01:20] <Fanfare> user tzanger=1000 + group tzanger=1000
[01:20] <tzanger> perfect
[01:20] <tzanger> uid=1000(andrew) gid=1000(andrew) groups=1000(andrew),4(adm),20(dialout),24(cdrom),46(plugdev),60(games),106(lpadmin),117(admin),118(sambashare),1002(xilinx)
[01:20] <tzanger> that's what I've got now
[01:20] <tzanger> (I added a xilinx group, but forgot -a) :-)
[01:21] <tzanger> oh I have to add virtualbox too
[01:22] <tzanger> $ id andrew
[01:22] <tzanger> uid=1000(andrew) gid=1000(andrew) groups=1000(andrew),4(adm),20(dialout),24(cdrom),46(plugdev),60(games),106(lpadmin),117(admin),118(sambashare),121(pulse-access),122(pulse-rt),124(vboxusers),1002(xilinx)
[01:22] <tzanger> that's probably closer to what I need
[01:22] <FloodBotK2> tzanger: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[01:22] <tzanger> thank you Fanfare, much appreciated
[01:22] <Zorael^2> Which files in my home dir should I symlink to root's to get apps running as root to look the same as my own apps again? .gtkrc-2.0-kde4; what else?
[01:22] <Fanfare> np
[01:25] <Zorael^2> Nevermind; .kde/share/config/kdeglobals.
[01:35] <pushrax> !karmic
[01:40] <MJack> Hey does anyone know how to DISABLE the auto-alignment of Widgets in Jaunty 9.04 ?
[01:43] <Fanfare> MJack: auto-alignment?
[01:44] <MJack> Fanfare: ya the widgets won't align perfectly and auto-move to be at least 1/8th of an inch from the sides of the screen
[01:45] <Fanfare> MJack: u mean window/dialog placement?
[01:46] <MJack> Fanfare: yes... like the Sticky Notes widget in the desktop won't align perfectly along the side of the screen... I put it there and then 1/2 second later it moves away from the edge like 2cm... all widgets seem to do this and it's annoying, lol.
[01:49] <Fanfare> MJack: ok, u mean Stick, minimize, maximize, close buttons in titlebar?
[01:52] <MJack> Fanfare: no the titlebar that pops out on hover is fine and goes away when the mouse leaves... I'm talking about the WHOLE WIDGET moving away from the side of the screen after I place it there... kind of like it has an "auto-align to grid" thing... like you know how your Desktop auto-aligns folders/files to the box/grid? Well it's doing that with the widgets and I want to disable it and put widgets EXACTLY where I want them...
[01:54] <Fanfare> MJack: ur talking bout plasmawidgets / plasmoids?
[01:59] <MJack> Fanfare: I'm talking about the plasmawidgets that come installed with Kubuntu 9.04 Jaunty... Kubuntu 8.10 they were called plasmoids but I think they are just called widgets in the 9.04 Jaunty version.
[02:00] <Fanfare> well, now we are talking bout the same, lets call em plasmoids afaik thats theyr (new) name
[02:00] <Fanfare> hm, yes i ve seen that behaviour too, but cant right now reproduce...
[02:01] <Fanfare> ok, reproduced near screenborders
[02:01] <MJack> What version of OS are you using?
[02:03] <MJack> I just installed the fresh copy of Kubuntu 9.04 with KDE 4.2 named Jaunty and the plasmoids auto align themselves to the sides of the screen which is something I want to DISABLE... but I can't find a setting for it.
[02:04] <Fanfare> 4.2.90-0ubuntu1~jaunty1~ppa1
[02:05] <Fanfare> thats 4.3-beta
[02:06] <Fanfare> But u can move these plasmoids!? And the should remember positions
[02:07] <MJack> Yes... you can move them, and they do remember their position... problem is I'm not able to move/align them perfectly along the side of the screen as they always want to be like 2cm from the edge...
[02:08] <Fanfare> MJack: ok, 2cm thats heavy.
[02:08] <Fanfare> wich theme do u use? all oxygen?
[02:08] <MJack> yes..
[02:10] <MJack> Could it be a theme thing? or a Plasmoid thing? I can align FireFox and Quassel perfectly along the edge of my screen and they stay,,, but the plasmoids are unable to be aligned perfectly along the edge... they stick out like 1-2cm no matter what I do...
[02:13] <Fanfare> Well, i use oxygen and i dont have that prob...
[02:13] <MJack> Fanfare: interesting... well I'll keep looking into it... thanks for trying to help. Cya.
[02:25] <Daemon_> How do i change the refresh rate of my monitor to something other than what it is?
[02:26] <Daemon_> it's on 50hz and need it to be 60hz
[02:26] <Fanfare> Daemon_: guessing - systemsettings - display
[02:27] <Daemon_> only two options there 50hz or auto
[02:28] <Fanfare> Daemon_: try krandrtray
[02:29] <Daemon_> do i type that in the terminal
[02:30] <Fanfare> should be in k-menu or install it with adept
[02:30] <Daemon_> Fanfare how do i put your name in without typing the whole thing over cant remember
[02:30] <Fanfare> Fan<tab>
[02:31] <Daemon_> ty  very much
[02:32] <Daemon_> Fanfare: anyway to make my text bigger?
[02:32] <Fanfare> Daemon_: here in Quassel or in KDE at all?
[02:33] <Daemon_> Fanfare: quassel
[02:33] <Fanfare> Daemon_: <F7>
[02:33] <Fanfare> Daemon_: fonts
[02:35] <Daemon_> lll
[02:38] <Daemon_> Fanfare: no krandtray on my pc?
[02:39] <Daemon_> Fanfare: tried adept too
[02:39] <Fanfare> Daemon_: then try it in konsole...
[02:39] <Fanfare> if its not installed konsole tells u how to install it
[02:40] <Daemon_> Fanfare: you mean terminal?
[02:41] <Fanfare> Daemon_: in kde the terminal is called konsole :-)
[02:41] <Daemon_> Fanfare: yeah i typed it there and nothing came up
[02:42] <Fanfare> hm. try sudo apt-get install krandrtray
[02:43] <Daemon_> Fanfare: krandrtray is that sp correct?
[02:44] <Fanfare> krandrtray yes
[02:44] <Fanfare> Daemon_: wich version do u use?
[02:45] <Daemon_> Fanfare: 9.04
[02:46] <Daemon_> Fanfare:  Couldn't find package krandrtray
[02:46] <Fanfare> right its in kdebase-workspace-bin :-) try installing this
[02:49] <Daemon_> Fanfare: kdebase-workspace-bin is already the newest version.
[02:49] <Fanfare> hm,
[02:50] <Fanfare> anyhow krandrtray wont be able to set 60hz, just checked...
[02:50] <Fanfare> if u really net 60hz i guess u need to edit xorg.xonf
[02:51] <Daemon_> Fanfare: any help docs to teach me how to do so
[02:52] <Daemon_> Fanfare: just that my 24" monitor is supposed to run at 60hz
[02:53] <Fanfare> Daemon_: u speak german?
[02:53] <Daemon_> Fanfare: no i wish
[02:54] <Fanfare> Daemon_: ähm 24" CRT or TFT?
[02:54] <thesandman> Can anyone tell me what are flags?
[02:55] <Fanfare> thesandman: compile flags? or wich context?
[02:55] <thesandman> can you tell me what either does...i see flags when i run the command digs in the konsole/terminal?
[02:56] <Daemon_> Fanfare: tft hooked up through dvid cable to a geforce9500 gt
[02:56] <fg56xfd> My USB hdd doesn't seem to be auto-mounting. How can i find out what the device is called so I can mount it?
[02:57] <Fanfare> Daemon_: are u sure the hz setting will take affect?
[02:58] <Fanfare> thesandman: What exacly are u doing? dont know what u are talking bout...
[02:58] <thesandman> hold on and check out the pastebin
[02:58] <Fanfare> fg56xfd: tail -f /var/log/messages before plugging device
[02:59] <thesandman> http://paste.ubuntu.com/208682/
[03:00] <Daemon_> Fanfare: monitor supports 1920x1200 at 60hz but cant get linux to let me set it to 60hz
[03:01] <Fanfare> thesandman: ok, those are DNS flags , i dont know them, try reading DNS Docs
[03:02] <TheNumber> fg56xfd: usb devise are named in order of mount /dev/sda , /dev/sdb , /dev/sdc etc in a disk if there are one partion the it will be /dev/sda1 and to chek for it try /dev/sd then double tab and to mount a partion its usually $mount /dev/sda1 /your/mount/point .
[03:02] <thesandman> ok where would I find that ?
[03:02] <Fanfare> Daemon_: what gfafics chip?
[03:03] <Fanfare> thesandman: start with man dig
[03:03] <fg56xfd> TheNumber: sda1 is my "/
[03:04] <fg56xfd> TheNumber: sda1 is my "/" on my main harddrive.
[03:04] <Daemon_> Nvidia Geforce 9500GT WITH 1GIG ddr3RAM
[03:04] <thesandman> as in type that in the konsole?
[03:05] <TheNumber> yep usually the first hard drive is sda then in order you will have sdb sdc etc fg56xfd
[03:05] <Fanfare> Daemon_: look for nvidia-settings
[03:05] <Daemon_> Fanfare: OK THEN WHAT
[03:05] <thesandman> ok i did
[03:05] <Daemon_> Fanfare: sry caps
[03:07] <Fanfare> Daemon_: check reported frequency there
[03:07] <fg56xfd> TheNumber: I used gparted just too look at everything and see what it was named. Then i ran "sudo mount -o loop /dev/sdc /home/max/temp" (sdc being the usb hdd) and it said, "mount: you must specify the filesystem type."
[03:09] <v12extremex> Can anyone help me fix my sound, it just dosent work??
[03:09] <TheNumber> fg56xfd: you must specify the partetion needed in the sdc  disk
[03:09] <ctw> Hi! I'd like to try out remote desktop with my computer. I'd like to use a different computer to connect to my computer via VNC. I'm having trouble figuring out what exactly I need to enable at the server.
[03:09] <TheNumber> exeple if it has only one partion it will be  /dev/sdc1
[03:09] <TheNumber> fg56xfd: and the "tail -f /var/log/messages before plugging device" is the most useful tool to know your device inter the commande then plug your device
[03:10] <fg56xfd> TheNumber: Haha, oops. I need to format it first.
[03:10] <ctw> Can anybody ehre give me pointers?
[03:10] <fg56xfd> Its unallocated right now, duh me.
[03:10] <v12extremex> Would anyone help me with my sound
[03:10] <TheNumber> fg56xfd: ok then go for it :)
[03:12] <Fanfare> ctw: there is a kde tool krdc play around with that
[03:12] <Daemon_> Fanfare: ok bear with me for a second i appreciate your help
[03:12] <Daemon_> Fanfare: nvidia settings does have 60hz but it will not let me save it
[03:13] <ctw> Fanfare: thanks, that is the client ... I'm leaving the server and want to make sure everything is set up at the server so I can use krdc on the client machine to connect later
[03:13] <Fanfare> Daemon_: ok, then try runnng it as root. sudo nvidia-settings  it saves /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[03:16] <Daemon_> Fanfare: sh: pkg-config: not found
[03:17] <wirechief_> v12extremex what is your sound issue ?
[03:19] <ctw> Does anybody here have any insights on server set up for remote desktop connections?
[03:20] <Fanfare> Daemon_: did nvidia-settings start as root? could it write the xorg.conf?
[03:21] <`Onyx> Hi. For some reason my taskbar items have become blank. Is there a way to fix this without rebooting the entire system?
[03:21] <Fanfare> `Onyx: restart X?
[03:27] <Fanfare> bb folks
[03:44] <tmerriam_> hi, is anyone else having trouble updating to the latest versoin of linux-image ?
[03:46] <Daemon_> how can i test my screen refresh rate from console?
[03:46] <tmerriam_> what do you mean by test it? i think xrandr can report it....
[03:47] <Daemon_> yup thats it couldnt remember the command thanks
[03:47] <joseph> j #math
[03:47] <joseph> hrm
[03:59] <tmerriam_> anyone having problems with the new linux-image? or packages giving "unknown error?"
[04:19] <doom777> i have a weird problem
[04:20] <jeiworth> wow new kde is nice :)
[04:20] <doom777> I manually installed firefox from firefox.com
[04:20] <tmerriam_> same here... whats up?
[04:20] <doom777> well it doesn't access internet
[04:20] <tmerriam_> why? i think ubutu just repackages that build anyway
[04:20] <doom777> konqueror depos
[04:21] <doom777> tmerriam_: it doesn't access internet
[04:22] <tmerriam_> the firefox package from ubuntu does not access the internet???
[04:22] <doom777> no, i downloaded from firefox.com
[04:22] <doom777> downloaded, unzipped, moved to /opt, added symlink to /usr/bin, and added a firefox.desktop file
[04:23] <tmerriam_> hmm, thats an odd one...
[04:23] <tmerriam_> i cant think of any configuration in firefox that would cause that...
[04:26] <jeiworth> well, long shot but maybe its in offline mode?
[04:26] <doom777> no
[04:29] <jet> anyone feel like helping a plasmoid noob with a build/debug issue?  I have plasmoid source and want to view/debug without installing it
[04:30] <jet> Build appears successful but since it's the source for a plasmoid I'm actively using I don't want to overwrite it, just run in some sort of sandbox
[04:33] <jet> I got the new version of plasmoidviewer from neon; it's supposed to be able to run right out of your build directory but it's not happy with mine
[04:33] <tmerriam_> can you give it different name? mypluginv2 ?
[04:34] <jet> Sure, if that's the right approach.  Which file do I hack for that? Thanks.
[04:35] <tmerriam_> i dont know, its just a suggestion. ive never hacked plasmoids. i assume theres a makefile or some equivalent that sets the target filename
[04:39] <jet> thanks anyway.  Wish there was a good source of info on the build process.  Everything I've found so far appears incomplete or out of date
[04:39] <Naddix> does anyone here use konversation
[04:39] <jet> I'm using it!
[04:39] <Naddix> jet
[04:39] <Naddix> i am having a hudge problem with dcc and i can asure u its not a port issue
[04:39] <Naddix> do u know anything about this
[04:40] <Naddix> i can get dcc but not send
[04:40] <jet> Oh, sorry, I'm pretty clueless about IRC
[04:40] <Naddix> or my buddy cant recive
[04:40] <Naddix> lol ok
[04:40] <Naddix> i cant find help anywhere nor on anywebsite
[04:41] <Naddix> been fighting with this for over 3 hrs
[04:41] <CPrgmSwR2> Hi
[04:41] <Naddix> and of couse u goto chats and they say make sure ports r opened
[04:41] <Naddix> hello
[04:41] <CPrgmSwR2> What is your problem Naddix
[04:41] <Naddix> i am trying to dcc to another computer
[04:42] <Naddix> with konversation
[04:42] <Naddix> i can recive files but when i try to send it times out
[04:42] <tmerriam_> buddy's firewall in the way?
[04:42] <Naddix> nope
[04:42] <Naddix> i remote connected and opened everything
[04:43] <asobi> what's a good gpu?
[04:43] <CPrgmSwR2> Naddix, are you behind a router?
[04:43] <Naddix> its prett weiird
[04:43] <Naddix> yes i am
[04:43] <Naddix> all ports are opened
[04:43] <CPrgmSwR2> do you know your friends ip address
[04:43] <Naddix> with my router and his
[04:44] <tmerriam_> @asobi... depends what you need to do
[04:44] <Naddix> i even put my computer infront of the firewall to test
[04:44] <Naddix> and still same issue
[04:44] <Naddix> it seems like it is a program issue
[04:44] <Naddix> he uses mirc and im using konversation
[04:44] <asobi> top end/gaming
[04:44] <asobi> using with kde 3
[04:45] <Naddix> nope ubtunu
[04:45] <CPrgmSwR2> Naddix: can you telnet to your friends computer across the required port
[04:45] <Naddix> i never telenet before
[04:45] <tmerriam_> you most likely want an nvidia. radeon isnt quite there yet with 3d yet.
[04:45] <jet> tmerriam_: for the record the official name of the plasmoid appears to be recorded as two fields in the .desktop file
[04:46] <CPrgmSwR2> telnet [IPaddress] [port number]
[04:46] <Naddix> ok
[04:46] <Naddix> and this will get the file or show
[04:46] <Naddix> files
[04:46] <CPrgmSwR2> if you open a terminal
[04:46] <Naddix> that are being offeres=d
[04:46] <Naddix> yes i understand that
[04:46] <asobi> well, i want something easily compatible as well
[04:47] <Naddix> but the problem is the other way
[04:47] <Naddix> me sending him a file
[04:47] <tmerriam_> ive heard nvidia has good support. it is a binary blob, but the packages are in ubuntu, and it will probably work
[04:47] <CPrgmSwR2> Yes, in order for you to send him a file, he has to listen on a particular port
[04:47] <asobi> thanks
[04:47] <CPrgmSwR2> If you can telnet to that port, then that isolates it down to the porgram
[04:48] <tmerriam_> right now compatibility and performance are at opposite ends of the spectrum, sadly.
[04:48] <CPrgmSwR2> if you can't than its an issue with your friends network setup
[04:48] <Naddix> ok
[04:48] <Naddix> i did personally set up his router
[04:48] <Naddix> remote connected to his router and set it up myself
[04:48] <tmerriam_> quite a shame really, i think the radeons are a better value than a lot of nvidias offerings
[04:48] <CPrgmSwR2> If you can recieve files suggest the program is working just fine, btw are you using the kde4 version or kde3 version
[04:49] <asobi> so i should get budget card
[04:49] <CPrgmSwR2> tmerriam_: radeon has been improving quite a lot
[04:50] <CPrgmSwR2> tmerriam_: before my computer crashed the radeon card I had worked pretty well, this included composite support
[04:50] <tmerriam_> it has, ive been folowing the development
[04:50] <tmerriam_> ive never had fglrx working. good riddance imo
[04:51] <CPrgmSwR2> what version is your card, mine was an r300
[04:51] <tmerriam_> r580
[04:53] <asobi> is nvidia more compatible than ati?
[04:53] <CPrgmSwR2> asobi: yes
[04:53] <asobi> k
[04:54] <tmerriam_> ive heard good, but my experience with proprietary blobs, fglrx and other, has been very negative
[04:55] <tmerriam_> my rule of thumb now is if the driver not in the kernel, or xorg or whatever, expect trouble
[04:55] <asobi> where do you check for that
[04:56] <tmerriam_> if the kernel supports a specific driver?
[04:56] <asobi> yea
[04:56] <CPrgmSwR2> The sad part was it took over a year before the fglrx driver was any good for the r300 chip set
[04:56] <asobi> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsVideoCardsNvidia is the best i found
[04:56] <tmerriam_> http://kernel.xc.net/ this site is good
[04:57] <Naddix> well i can telnet to his file fine but its the other way im having issue
[04:57] <asobi> does gnome or kde matter?
[04:57]  * asobi runs kubuntu
[04:57] <CPrgmSwR2> interesting
[04:57] <Naddix> very weird
[04:57] <tmerriam_> i use kde. my girlfriend uses gnome. i think kde uses the compositing more by default
[04:58] <asobi> that kernal link is over my head
[04:58] <CPrgmSwR2> Naddix, can you telnet to 172.0.0.1 across that port on your pc
[04:58] <CPrgmSwR2> 127.0.0.1 is a loop back address
[04:58] <Naddix> ok
[04:58] <Naddix> i will try this
[04:59] <Naddix> ty CPrgmSwR2
[04:59] <tmerriam_> lol. it shows the entire configuration for the whole kernel. you can load the full config and use Ctrl+F to find the device you want.
[05:00] <tmerriam_> http://kernelnewbies.org/ this site is good too, though i dont use it very much
[05:00] <asobi> i don't even know which kernel i am using @_@
[05:00] <tmerriam_> 2.6.28
[05:00] <tmerriam_> err.... jaunty right?
[05:01] <asobi> hardy i think
[05:01] <asobi> 8.04
[05:01] <tmerriam_> type 'uname -r' at the console
[05:01] <Naddix> CPrgmSwR2 im not able to connect to the share
[05:01] <tmerriam_> dont want to upgrade or do you want the LTS?
[05:02] <asobi> lts
[05:02] <CPrgmSwR2> kde is starting to shape up quite nicely
[05:02] <Naddix> how would ubuntu be blocking thi s
[05:02] <Naddix> or is it the app
[05:03] <Naddix> but i could not send in xchat either
[05:04] <tmerriam_> @CPrgmSwr2 yeah, im using the beta for 4.3 its really slick. i think ill stick with stable versions after this, though
[05:04] <Naddix> but i used my router assigned ip and it worked
[05:05] <CPrgmSwR2> tmerriam_: same here
[05:05] <CPrgmSwR2> Naddix: the telnet worked?
[05:06] <Naddix> yes it did
[05:08] <CPrgmSwR2> tmerriam_: I update so I am on the release canidate of kde 4.3
[05:08] <CPrgmSwR2> tmerriam_: I just wish they would release kopete
[05:09] <tmerriam_> whats the deal with the highlighted lines? are you doing something special, Cprgm?
[05:09] <CPrgmSwR2> Naddix: In your router, do you have port forwarding setup
[05:09] <Naddix> yes i do
[05:10] <CPrgmSwR2> Naddix: it sounds like your router is blocking the connection
[05:10] <Naddix> i would have had to go though my router to telnet
[05:10] <Naddix> i used my router assinged address to connect
[05:10] <CPrgmSwR2> because a telnet to 127.0.0.1 does not go through anything but your computer
[05:10] <Naddix> wouldnt it
[05:10] <Naddix> no i telnet using 192.168.2.3
[05:11] <Naddix> which was asigned by the router
[05:11] <Naddix> i wanted to test the ports
[05:11] <CPrgmSwR2> if thats your computer IP address, that will work too
[05:11] <CPrgmSwR2> 127.0.0.1 is a special ip address
[05:12] <Naddix> loopback
[05:12] <CPrgmSwR2> tmerriam_: that has to do with me putting your screenname in the text I am typing
[05:13] <CPrgmSwR2> tmerriam_: what irc client are you using
[05:13] <tmerriam_> CPrgmSwR2: like this?
[05:13] <tmerriam_> quassel
[05:13] <Naddix> konversation
[05:13] <Naddix> i did use the 127.0.0.1
[05:13] <Naddix> address
[05:13] <Naddix> and i also connected to the share
[05:14] <tmerriam_> CPrgmSwR2: quassel
[05:14] <CPrgmSwR2> tmerriam_: I am not sure since I use konversation
[05:14] <Naddix> me either lol
[05:14] <Naddix> ok
[05:15] <Naddix> the thing is i wonder if the dsl modem is in anyway internfering
[05:15] <Naddix> there is no firewall setup on the modem
[05:15] <Naddix> i have that turned off
[05:15] <Naddix> CPrgmSwR2 what program do u use
[05:16] <kubuntuuser> I should probably ask for help here instead of #ubuntu :)
[05:16] <tmerriam_> CPrgmSwR2: me neither. im new to using IRC, and i use Quassel cimply because it came with kubuntu
[05:16] <Naddix> ok
[05:16] <Naddix> i tried xchat and same thing
[05:16] <Naddix> it got to be that modem somehow
[05:16] <kubuntuuser> are there any good xorg managers?
[05:17] <tmerriam_> xorg managers?
[05:17] <kubuntuuser> I seem to have hosed mine somehow thorugh installing compiz-fusion and the latest proprietary ati drivers
[05:18] <kubuntuuser> so I get graphics glitches and I don't know how to fix it being a linux noob
[05:18] <tmerriam_> what do you mean by xorg manager? ive never heard that term
[05:18] <CPrgmSwR2> Naddix: prehaps its being blocked by a software firewall
[05:18] <Naddix> not on my machine
[05:18] <Naddix> not sure about the clients
[05:18] <Naddix> my friends i did turn off his windows firewall
[05:19] <kubuntuuser> oh, I thought that by now there might be a sane xorg.conf manager to figure out what I have and not mess it up
[05:19] <CPrgmSwR2> kubuntuuser: I would try downgrading to the previous proprietary ati drivers
[05:19] <Naddix> he has the same router as me , i remoted to his router in order to open his ports
[05:19] <Naddix> im going to try to get my friend to telnet to my file
[05:19] <CPrgmSwR2> kubuntuuser: its not what you messed up but probably has to do with the latest drivers released
[05:20] <CPrgmSwR2> kubuntuuser: its not uncommon for ati to release drivers with graphics glitches
[05:20] <kubuntuuser> are there any good laternatives?
[05:20] <CPrgmSwR2> kubuntuuser: take a look at www.phoronix.com in the forums they usually take about the issues
[05:20] <kubuntuuser> ok
[05:21] <CPrgmSwR2> kubuntuuser: there are at times opensource alternatives but they don't work quite as well as the closed source drivers
[05:21] <kubuntuuser> it's like my monitor's trying to be in two modes at once, not good for the eyes either
[05:21] <tmerriam_> ....for some things.
[05:22] <CPrgmSwR2> Naddix: are you using Konversation?
[05:22] <Naddix> yes
[05:22] <CPrgmSwR2> because I see the default port range is 1026 to 7000
[05:22] <Naddix> yes
[05:23] <CPrgmSwR2> So it could be any of those ports
[05:23] <Naddix> i can see which port the file is shared on
[05:23] <Naddix> it alwasy starts with 1026
[05:23] <CPrgmSwR2> ah okay
[05:23] <Naddix> when u share the file it says the external ip and which port its on
[05:25] <kubuntuuser> one question, should xorg.conf have two monitor sections and two display sections?
[05:25] <CPrgmSwR2> kubuntuuser: depends, it can have one or two
[05:25] <kubuntuuser> never had a 2nd monitor attached or anything
[05:26] <kubuntuuser> 2 monitor, 2 screen, 2 device sections*
[05:26] <CPrgmSwR2> WOW rafb.net/pastebin has been shutdown
[05:27] <Naddix> my friend tried to telnet to the share and was not able to
[05:28] <CPrgmSwR2> hmm...
[05:28] <CPrgmSwR2> can you put your freinds pc direct onto the internet line
[05:28] <CPrgmSwR2> so its not behind a router and try it
[05:28] <Naddix> very very strange
[05:28] <Naddix> yes i will try that
[05:28] <Naddix> i did do that on my side
[05:29] <CPrgmSwR2> Naddix: Yes I know, but what about your friends side
[05:29] <Naddix> im going to do it right now
[05:31] <CPrgmSwR2> kubuntuuser: there is a way to have the ati utility configure your xorg.conf file
[05:31] <CPrgmSwR2> I wish I could remember the command
[05:32] <tmerriam_> i think it was fglrxconfig or something....
[05:32] <Naddix> does envy-ng work in kubuntu for these ati guys
[05:33] <Naddix> i know there is a gtk version but a command based too
[05:34] <tmerriam_> not sure that applies to me... support for my card was dropped from the proprietary driver a while ago
[05:34] <Naddix> ok
[05:44] <Naddix> brb
[06:16] <naddix1> cprgmswr2 i got it
[06:17] <naddix1> i had to dmz my router in the modem
[06:17] <naddix1> if that makes sence
[06:19] <naddix1> verizon is stupid
[06:19] <naddix1> let that be know
[06:39] <peabody> ok so if I boot into a recovery shell, everything is normal. But once KDM loads, when I try to open text-based terminals (tty1 etc) my monitor errors : Input Signal out of Range how do I fix this?
[06:49] <fg56xfd> I was just trying to install kubuntu from a dvd. And when it booted up I chose "install kubuntu" it then went into a terminal style thing and kept reading off errors that started with "Buffer I/O Error" it did this for over minutes then finally stopped, said "welcome to ubuntu" and some other stuff and i was at a terminal. Not the usual gui you get for "install kubuntu" I also tried start/instal, and even tried older cd's that i know work. And
[06:49] <fg56xfd> each time it did th same "buffer i/o error" messages. What is causing this, and how can i fix it?
[06:52] <Peace-> fg56xfd:  what kind of pc do you  have
[06:52] <Peace-> i mean is old ?
[06:52] <Peace-> or very new
[06:53] <Peace-> look like a kernel bug
[06:53] <Peace-> looks like
[06:53] <fg56xfd> Its a brand new HP G
[06:53] <fg56xfd> G60*
[06:53] <Peace-> fg56xfd: please make a bug report, that suound like a kernel bug
[06:54] <kubuntuuser> yeah turns out there's something wrong with the proprietary driver, even with the prev version
[06:54] <fg56xfd> Peace-: What di i report, i'm cant write down 30min worth of errors.
[06:54] <Peace-> fg56xfd: you have only to describe the problem
[06:54] <Peace-> fg56xfd: but with live cd it works?
[06:54] <Peace-> i mean without installing ?
[06:55] <fg56xfd> Peace-: No, it never boots up from a live cd, weather I do "install kubuntu" or "start kubuntu"
[06:55] <fg56xfd> Im running off my original install of Kubuntu right now.
[06:55] <Peace-> fg56xfd: have you tried with alternate cd?
[06:55] <fg56xfd> No.
[06:55] <fg56xfd> But I know the cd's im using work.
[06:56] <Peace-> fg56xfd: and have you tried old kubuntu live cd?
[06:56] <fg56xfd> Yes. I tried the CD i installed this instillation from.
[06:56] <Peace-> or it's your first time you try to installl kubuntu
[06:56] <fg56xfd> No, it is not.
[06:56] <fg56xfd> Im on kubuntu, right now.
[06:57] <alba_> hi i was just updating and i got an error message "the backend took too much time to process the synchronous request, you need to fork!" what does that mean exactly?
[06:57] <Peace-> fg56xfd: so this problem apperars only with the dvd?
[06:57] <fg56xfd> Peace-: DVD and CD's yes.
[06:57] <Peace-> alba_: use the terminal
[06:58] <alba_> it updated but i was just wondering what it means by you need to fork...
[06:58] <Peace-> alba_: the kpacakgekit is not so stable
[06:58] <peabody> alba_:  that means when a process executes linear it cannot run two commands at the same time with each other, and it needs to split into two different processes
[06:58] <Peace-> ups
[06:58] <alba_> aha i think i get it peabody  thanks :)
[06:58] <Peace-> fg56xfd: i can't understand then , with dvd yes and cd no?
[06:58] <alba_> and thank you too Peace-
[06:59] <fg56xfd> Peace-: No, neither DVDs or CDs work/.
[06:59] <Peace-> fg56xfd: so how did you install kubuntu then?
[07:00] <fg56xfd> Peace-: I installed a while ago. I just went to reinstall tonight, and now its giving me this erro.
[07:00] <fg56xfd> error*
[07:00] <Peace-> fg56xfd: well..... maybe the dvd is cocked
[07:00] <fg56xfd> Peace-: Like i said, i tried SEVERL.
[07:00] <fg56xfd> SEVERAL*
[07:00] <Peace-> md5 cheched?
[07:01] <Peace-> checked?
[07:01] <fg56xfd> Yes.
[07:01] <Peace-> so i dunno no
[07:02] <lautaro> hi
[07:02] <lautaro> alguien habla español
[07:03] <fg56xfd> lautaro: !es
[07:03] <lautaro> hola
[07:03] <lautaro> estoy en argentina
[07:04] <fg56xfd> !es
[07:04] <Hystoriker> hi all. i have a problem with the new kde 4.3 rc on kubuntu 9.04. my desktop is not visible, but stays black most of the time. only for a few seconds i can see the destop with the plasmoids.
[07:05] <alba_> i need to report a bug in launchpad, does someone have handy the url? its about the update manager and its funny behaviour
[07:05] <lautaro> y como hago?
[07:05] <alba_> lautaro,  /join #kubuntu-es
[07:06] <Hystoriker> i am working on that machine, so the programs seem to work, only i cannot see any desktop or menu
[07:06] <lautaro> esta bien pero yo quiero conversar un rato y no hablar del sistema
[07:09] <lautaro> son todos programadores o que?
[07:09] <Peace-> Hystoriker: why did you upgradet to unstable version?
[07:09] <Peace-> Hystoriker: support is only for stable version.
[07:10] <Peace-> lautaro: only english
[07:10] <Peace-> lautaro: no other language please.
[07:11] <lautaro> i dont want to speak of the system
[07:11] <Peace-> !offtopic | lautaro
[07:12] <lautaro> ok, i didnt wnow
[07:13] <Peace-> no problem
[07:14] <lautaro> thenks
[07:19] <fg56xfd> I was just trying to install kubuntu from a dvd. And when it booted up I chose "install kubuntu" it then went into a terminal style thing and kept reading off errors that started with "Buffer I/O Error" it did this for over minutes then finally stopped, said "welcome to ubuntu" and some other stuff and i was at a terminal. Not the usual gui you get for "install kubuntu" I also tried start/instal, and even tried older cd's that i know work. And
[07:19] <fg56xfd> each time it did th same "buffer i/o error" messages. What is causing this, and how can i fix it?
[07:20] <Hystoriker_> can anybody please help me?
[07:21] <alba_> maybe you could try in #kde Hystoriker
[07:22] <alba_> fg56xfd,  maybe you could try to install in text mode and see what happens... it might be a problem with the cd/dvd reader?
[07:23] <alba_> then you can install the desktop with apt-get install kubuntu-desktop i think that could be an option (as long as you can install in text mode
[07:24] <alba_> besides, did you try to just check the option "try kubuntu without any changes to your hard disk"?
[07:24] <fg56xfd> alba_: But I need a gui to do some partition editing, otherwise I might accidently delete the wrong one.
[07:24] <fg56xfd> And yes, i tied the "try kubuntu" same thing, errors, then a terminal.
[07:25] <alba_> hmmm do you have a lot of partitions?
[07:25] <alba_> because its essentially the same than with a gui, just without it... they are easily recognizable unless  you have a bunch of them
[07:26] <alba_> i.e i have one of 80 and one of 30... so i know for kubuntu is the one of 30
[07:27] <Adola> Hi!  I have 3 kernels, I want a different one other than the default to be the one it loads.
[07:27] <Adola> How can I go about this?
[07:27] <alba_> and.. this might sound silly, but check the cd's or dvd's are clean.. happened to me once...
[07:28] <fg56xfd> Ive got like four partitions.
[07:28] <fg56xfd> And they look pretty clean.
[07:28] <fg56xfd> Im even burning another one right now to try again.
[07:29] <andresaguso> adola try to install kgrubeditor
[07:29] <alba_> are you trying with cd's or dvd's? maybe you could try to swap between them if you have both...
[07:29] <alba_> and see what happens
[07:30] <Peace-> Adola: you could edit this file , to your own risk.., /boot/brub/menu.list
[07:30] <Adola> andresaguso: Dial-up, can I configure grub.lst?
[07:30] <Peace-> Adola: you could edit this file , to your own risk.., /boot/grub/menu.list
[07:30] <Hystoriker_> can i somehow downgrade to whatever is the "official" kubuntu-kde version for jaunty?
[07:30] <Peace-> Adola: or i think you have to press some key on the boot time , i didn't remember well
[07:30] <Adola> Peace-: how can I make one of the kernel's default?
[07:31] <agatha> and i found this fg56xfd http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=254468
[07:31] <Peace-> Adola: yes you have only to change that file... just put at the fist the kernel you like... but AT YOUR OWN RISK, make a backup of that file..
[07:33] <fg56xfd> agatha: It talks about making sure the cds burn correctly and etc etc. But I burned it from a a CD that I know works, since I installed kubuntu from it before.
[07:34] <agatha> in the same machine fg56xfd ?
[07:34] <fg56xfd> agatha: I see something about adding soemthing to boot paramaters. How do I edit those?
[07:34] <fg56xfd> agatha: Yes, same machine.
[07:35] <agatha> hmmm in the first screen you have the option to edit them
[07:35] <fg56xfd> agatha: Alright, I'm going to try that.
[07:35] <agatha> sorry that i cannot be of more help
[07:35] <andresaguso> adola kgrubeditor is pretty easy just try to install it sudo aptitude install kgrubeditor
[07:36] <andresaguso> u can configure what its the default boot
[07:36] <andresaguso> or change the lines
[07:36] <fg56xfd> agatha: Its fine, thanks for trying to help. :)
[07:36] <andresaguso> u can use that file that peace tells u, kgrubeditor just its a gui :P
[07:38] <Adola> Hey um, how can I ping a machine on a local network to see if it's connected?
[07:40] <agatha> ping computername i guess Adola
[07:41] <agatha> or ping the ip adress of the machine
[07:41] <Adola> How do I get the ip of it?
[07:43] <agatha> ifconfig (on the machine) or check the dhcp in the router, that will give you the ip adresses
[07:44] <agatha> ifconfig, in the terminal of the machine you want to get the ip adress from that's better
[07:44] <Adola> It doesn't show the ip, ifconfig doens't.
[07:46] <agatha>    inet addr:192.168.0.182
[07:46] <agatha> that's my ifconfig, and for sure is the adress of this machine, remember you need to do it in the other machine, not in the current one
[07:48] <Adola> Ok, um, I see an inet addr for my ppp0 (Which is my dial-up) But, my eht0 is only an inet6 whatever that is, I need to fileshare, and I need to do that through ethernet of course.
[07:49] <agatha> then adola do you have a router?
[07:49] <Adola> Yessir.
[07:50] <agatha> in most of routers (if not in all) there is a section for the dhcp
[07:50] <Adola> eth0, lo, ppp0 , that's all I see.
[07:50] <peabody> ok so if I boot into a recovery shell, everything is normal. But once KDM loads, when I try to open text-based terminals (tty1 etc) my monitor errors : Input Signal out of Range how do I fix this?
[07:50] <agatha> there should also give you the computer names, with their ips (or the mac adresses with ip)
[07:51] <agatha> but in which computer you are doing it adola? because ifconfig will show you the ip adress of the computer where you are asking it. not the other one
[07:51] <Adola> agatha: Yes, I know.
[07:51] <Adola> Ok, wait, what is DHCP?
[07:51] <Adola> Should it be listed when I an ifconfig?
[07:52] <agatha> nope its something the router does, assign an ip to each machine in the network.. i will try to find a 'better' explanation
[07:52] <agatha> sec
[07:53] <agatha> Adola,  i can explane it with my words or give you the wikipedia article... whatever suits you better...
[07:53] <agatha> you tell me what you prefer
[07:54] <Adola> Words please :)
[07:54] <Adola> I'm unable to file share between these two ubuntu machines.
[07:54] <Adola> (One is Kubuntu, the other, UNR)
[07:55] <agatha> ok so when you have 2 computers in a network, each of them has an internal ip adress, to be identified on that network, dhcp is the service which assigns an ip to each machine in such network. Normally in the router, there is information about this
[07:55] <agatha> thats why i am telling you to check the ip's in the router
[07:56] <Adola> Ok, how can I go about doing that?
[07:56] <agatha> you need to access the router...do you know the default gateway and username and password?
[07:57] <Adola> Um....I don't believe it has one....
[07:57] <agatha> um?
[07:58] <agatha> are we sure you are using a router?
[07:58] <Adola> Oh noes, it's a workgroup switch.
[07:58] <agatha> -.-
[08:00] <agatha> do you know the computer name of the other machine at least Adola ?
[08:00] <Adola> agatha: Yes!
[08:00] <agatha> so try pinging it
[08:01] <agatha> i guess that should do... ping computername
[08:02] <agatha> try ping -c 3 computername something like that Adola
[08:02] <Adola> .....I can't remember the name of the computer...I think it's adola-netbook.
[08:03] <Adola> I can't remember.
[08:03] <Adola> >>>
[08:03] <Adola> >.>
[08:03] <FloodBotK2> Adola: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[08:03] <agatha> ains Adola  heheheheh Adola ;) write in a terminal uname -a
[08:04] <agatha> (in the computer you want to check if its connected)
[08:05] <Adola> It said "unknown host"
[08:05] <agatha> when you type uname -a?
[08:05] <Adola> Yes.
[08:05] <Adola> ping adam-desktop
[08:05] <Adola> "ping: unknown host adam-desktop"
[08:06] <agatha> no no Adola  forget about that for a second, go to the other computer and type uname -a
[08:06] <agatha> and check the computer name first :)
[08:06] <Adola> Yes, one is adam-desktop, the other is adam-laptop
[08:06] <agatha> ok which is the one you need to ping/
[08:06] <Adola> Ok, so, from desktop
[08:06] <agatha> ?
[08:06] <Adola> I was able to ping laptop..
[08:06] <agatha> aha
[08:06] <Adola> But not visa-versa
[08:07] <agatha> that means that one of those the unknown host is not in the network
[08:07] <agatha> you should be able to ping A from B and the other way around
[08:08] <Adola> I can only go A-B not B-A
[08:08] <agatha> then for some reason, b cannot see a
[08:08] <agatha> i dunno if it might be related to the workgroup switch, i am not familiar with those
[08:08] <Adola> God, I thought I was buying a router...THE PICTURE WAS SO SIMILAR>
[08:09] <agatha> but to share information between both computers they will need to see each other
[08:09] <agatha> i dunno Adola  for what i have read they are not exactly the same
[08:35] <Fleck> just updated and now taskmanager doesn't show any tasks :)
[08:37] <Fleck> (using ppa backports)
[08:41] <divobtech> hello
[08:42] <divobtech> how to clean the dicussion space on quassel IRC
[08:43] <divobtech> please
[08:44] <Adola> divobtech: /clear?
[08:46] <divobtech> yes i want to clear the discussion space  for example the message that you sent me
[08:46] <divobtech> divobtech:  /clear?
[08:52] <Adola> Hi!  Ineed to set up a static ip for a local network.
[08:52] <Adola> divobtech: yeah just type "/clear" that should work, without the "'s of course.
[08:53] <divobtech> clear
[08:54] <scott2211> anybody know of a good system monitor for kubuntu? not conky and preferably in plasmoid form
[08:54] <divobtech> it is not work
[08:54] <kioskadmin> da
[08:59] <mattp_> HI, I have an issue with installing a program.  I want to install skype, however it depends on a version of libqt4-gui that is behind the version that I have installed
[08:59] <mattp_> how do i force it to install skype?
[09:01] <kioskadmin> can someone tell me how to connect to irc network starchat..using konversation
[09:02] <warren_> hello
[09:03] <robin0800> kioskadmin: try /j #starchat
[09:04] <kioskadmin> #starchat
[09:04] <Guest98733> i use jaunty, and saw latest kde rc is out, so i added tha ppa, but after upgrading and logging in again, it was all messed up, i removed all config files from my home, and a fresh kde desktop look like this: http://i40.tinypic.com/4hxte1.jpg
[09:04] <Guest98733> what is the problem?
[09:05] <Guest98733> can i downgrade the upgraded packages?
[09:06] <fg56xfd> I have some updates that say they are "blocked" why are these blocked, and how can I unblock them?
[09:07] <robin0800> Guest98733: Personally I would have just removed the panel then set up a new one
[09:07] <Guest98733> i cant
[09:08] <Guest98733> i even hav no win manager
[09:08] <Guest98733> and i cant see any meny, desktop or whatever
[09:08] <Guest98733> is it possible to see latest upgraded packages and downgrade them in terminal?
[09:08] <Guest98733> i cant use this desktop at all
[09:09] <robin0800> Guest98733: can you right click on the panel?
[09:09] <Guest98733> yea
[09:09] <Guest98733> but not on the desktop
[09:10] <Guest98733> dos kde 4.3 rc work on you systems?
[09:10] <robin0800> Guest98733: can you add and remove from panel?
[09:10] <Guest98733> i removed the panel, but i cant add any panel anymore now
[09:11] <robin0800> Guest98733: log off and log back in
[09:11] <Guest98733> already tried :p
[09:12] <Guest98733> i think the only way is to revert the upgrade
[09:12] <stephan> kdebase-workspace-4:4.2.90-0ubuntu1~jaunty1~ppa2 is block? is this by intention?
[09:13] <Guest98733> btw, i had to upgrade in terminal because i didnt see any updates in kpackagekit
[09:13] <robin0800> Guest98733: In a console sudo aptitude update then sudo aptitude safe-upgrade
[09:14] <Guest98733> ok, its updating more packacges now
[09:14] <Guest98733> why didnt it show up in the updater?
[09:15] <robin0800> Guest98733: aptitude is better than the updater
[09:15] <Guest98733> lol
[09:17] <Guest98733> maybe because ppa are not trusted?
[09:17] <Guest98733> nvm, rebooting to see if it works now, thanks
[09:18] <Adola> I can't ping one of my machines, it says "network is unreachable" what's going on with it?
[09:22] <joserios> HI
[09:23] <fg56xfd> I have some updates that say they are "blocked" why are these blocked, and how can I unblock them?
[09:30] <phant0m_> finally
[09:31] <phant0m_> tht took bloody ages
[09:31] <phant0m_> need some help pls
[09:31] <^peter^> don't we all ?
[09:31] <phant0m_> lol
[09:31] <phant0m_> well my issue is with this os
[09:31] <phant0m_> im on ubuntu
[09:31] <Fleck> my too :) :D
[09:32] <phant0m_> total noob
[09:32] <phant0m_> not a clue where to sart im a windows defector
[09:32] <phant0m_> start rather
[09:32] <phant0m_> any advice pls?
[09:33] <fg56xfd> What are you trying to accomplish?
[09:33] <^peter^> phant0m_  if you mean you lost the desktop  .... welcome to the club
[09:33] <phant0m_> well
[09:33] <phant0m_> well now your askin
[09:34] <phant0m_> ok
[09:34] <phant0m_> rkhunter
[09:34] <phant0m_> it came up with warnings and said i should check them
[09:34] <phant0m_> now then
[09:35] <phant0m_> what i am checking and where isnt an issue but how to deal with it is
[09:36] <phant0m_> another issue is ive installed avg but i cant find the damn thing
[09:36] <phant0m_> wheres the gui??
[09:36] <phant0m_> ive looked in my menus
[09:36] <phant0m_> dunno how to use nessus either
[09:37] <alakhia> avg? antivirus program? That is for windows, no?
[09:37] <phant0m_> and linux
[09:37] <phant0m_> deb package
[09:37] <Coyote`> hi there, i'm looking to install firefox 3.5 on my kubuntu jaunty, tho apt wants to install some weird packets, and particulary the packet ubuntu, is there anyway to do it with a more simple way ?
[09:38] <^peter^> phant0m_  GUI is Grapical User Interface  mouse and screen, rather than keyboard.
[09:38] <scott2211> Coyote`: download the firefox.tar.gz from their website
[09:38] <alakhia> if you know the package name, you can run: dpkg -L <package_name>
[09:38] <Coyote`> and compile it ?
[09:38] <alakhia> that will give you all the files contained in the package
[09:39] <scott2211> Coyote`: you just have to download and extract it. then put the folder wherever you want and run the firefox executable inside
[09:39] <alakhia> look for either a man page, html docs, or something in bin directory to run directly
[09:39] <phant0m_> yes pete thts kinda what i was expecting a gui that i can run the scan with
[09:39] <Coyote`> scott2211 > ok i'll try now :)
[09:40] <scott2211> phant0m_: open a console and type avg, see if anything runs
[09:40] <phant0m_> ok
[09:40] <phant0m_> command not found
[09:40] <alakhia> phant0m_: are you trying to use protect others from virus or yourself?
[09:40] <^peter^> try as su
[09:40] <phant0m_> myself
[09:41] <phant0m_> ok pete type su avg or su enter avg?
[09:41] <scott2211> phant0m_: try 'locate avg' and see if anything is found
[09:41] <alakhia> if you have only one machine at that is running linux, you are protected from a majority of them ... i don't bother with antivirus stuff
[09:42] <fg56xfd> I have some updates that say they are "blocked" why are these blocked, and how can I unblock them?
[09:43] <phant0m_> it just goes back to main command line as when i opened the terminal
[09:44] <phant0m_> alakhia the reason i want the anti virus is to get rid of the rootkit tht rkhunter reckons i have
[09:45] <scott2211> phant0m_: you on Ubuntu or Kubuntu?
[09:45] <phant0m_> both
[09:45] <scott2211> 0_o
[09:45] <scott2211> which are you running now?
[09:45] <phant0m_> im usin ubuntu at the mo
[09:45] <alakhia> fg56xfd: did you try apt-get dist-upgrade?
[09:46] <scott2211> Menu -> Applications -> Accessories -> AVG... not there?
[09:46] <phant0m_> no
[09:46] <phant0m_> oh yeah is i386 different to the x64 bit version of ubuntu
[09:47] <fg56xfd> de
[09:47] <fg56xfd> Wrong window.
[09:48] <phant0m_> another thing is my firewall
[09:49] <phant0m_> im using firestarter and it says theres 108 serious thingys on it but i dont  know how to deal with them either
[09:53] <phant0m_> there doesnt seem to be much help flying around on the net for ubuntu
[09:54] <stephan> ?
[09:54] <phant0m_> i mean like a general overview
[09:54] <phant0m_> on how to use
[09:55] <bazhang> http://www.ubuntupocketguide.com/   like this?
[09:55] <phant0m_> i will stick with it tho theres no way im off back to windows
[09:55] <phant0m_> ty bazhang ill look now brb
[09:56] <Fleck> i have no taks in task manager running KDE 4.3 RC1, when i run plasma-desktop i get this: Object::connect: No such signal TaskManager::TaskGroup::itemRemoved(AbstractItemPtr)
[09:57] <Fleck> http://www.nomorepasting.com/getpaste.php?pasteid=27449
[09:57] <phant0m_> sweet tht should help things a little
[09:58] <phant0m_> any help for my firewall too ? im not sure how to deal with its findings
[09:58] <phant0m_> brb
[09:58] <bazhang> !iptables
[10:01] <phant0m_> iptables?
[10:01] <phant0m_> im using firestarter
[10:01] <phant0m_> its saying 108 serious events so like what do i do
[10:02] <bazhang> firestarter is the front end for iptables
[10:02] <phant0m_> frontend?
[10:02] <bazhang> the graphical interface
[10:02] <phant0m_> and the backend?
[10:02] <bazhang> iptables
[10:03] <bazhang> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo
[10:04] <phant0m_> ty ill take a look at tht
[10:05] <phant0m_> theres another problem i need to sort i want to burn at a certain speed like in imageburn but dont seem to have tht option
[10:05] <phant0m_> anyway round this
[10:06] <Guest84199> Hi, i recently updated my HP photosmart 2575 drivers, cause it wouldn't scan. THe problem now is, that it won't print, it says it starts a print job, it says it completes it, but nothign happens. any ideas?..
[10:07] <Guest84199> I use kubuntu 8.04, installed the hplib drivers along with the xsane project thingy.
[10:14] <Guest84199> nvm, i got it, reinstalled native KDE drivers
[10:14] <Guest84199> gbye everyone
[10:22] <Fanfare> Guest84199: why using 8.04?
[10:24] <molecule> kubunt VirtualBox  Problems iso no mounted why?
[10:25] <Fleck> ok, in terminal installed plasma-dataengines-workspace and now i have all tasks in taskmanager ;)
[10:25] <Fleck> molecule maybe iso file moved...?
[10:29] <molecule> Fleck, now mounted iso image
[10:43] <Fleck> my bottom panel is transparent, how do i change that...?
[10:52] <phant0m_> ok got a new problem
[10:52] <phant0m_> rkhutner log file permission denied
[10:53] <phant0m_>  i am root user and it wont let me in
[10:53] <phant0m_> Ddos?
[10:53] <victim> Fleck: try right clicking on the panel, or add a new panel and delete the transparent panel
[10:55] <Fleck> added new panel on the top - anyway transparent
[10:58] <Adola> How can I start a network connection I made?
[10:58] <Adola> Network Management
[11:07] <stephan123> hey, i have broken my system, can only boot from cd, is there a way to remove the supicious package?
[11:09] <scott2211> what happens when you try booting normally?
[11:11] <stephan123> no mouse and no keyboard and shell
[11:11] <stephan123> if i boot a older kernel i have mouse and keyboard and x but no networking
[11:11] <scott2211> boot that and then do an update?
[11:11] <shadeslayer> stephan123: tried the recovery console?
[11:11] <stephan123> ksplice (the suspected package) says it needs network to be removed
[11:12] <scott2211> can you give it a wired connection?
[11:12] <stephan123> its wired
[11:12] <scott2211> hmm
[11:13] <stephan123> is there a way to "chroot" into it, and remove the packe?
[11:14] <shadeslayer> stephan123: yep
[11:14] <stephan123> how?
[11:14] <shadeslayer> stephan123: type sudo -s
[11:14] <shadeslayer> stephan123: then chroot . /usr/bin
[11:15] <shadeslayer> stephan123: one sec..did you cd to the drive on which / is located?
[11:15] <stephan123> no
[11:16] <stephan123> ok im there
[11:16] <stephan123> root@ubuntu:/media/disk-1#
[11:17] <shadeslayer> stephan123: go root and type chroot . /media/disk-1/usr/bin
[11:17] <amik> at which point during startup is dns available? I'm getting related errors running apache james, only during startup...
[11:18] <stephan123> chroot: cannot run command `/media/disk-1/usr/bin/': No such file or directory
[11:18] <shadeslayer> stephan123: hold on
[11:18] <stephan123> shadeslayer: i can cd there
[11:18] <stephan123> it is there
[11:19] <stephan123> shadeslayer: is this correct ? root@ubuntu:/# sudo chroot . /media/disk-1/usr/bin/
[11:19] <shadeslayer> stephan123: i did this a few days ago... ill get the logs
[11:20] <stephan123> ok, im hoping again (a bit), this is realy annoying
[11:24] <shadeslayer> stephan123: almost there :)
[11:24] <stephan123> :-D
[11:25] <shadeslayer> stephan123: run chroot . /bin/sh
[11:26] <stephan123> from /
[11:26] <shadeslayer> stephan123: now type ls -la to be sure
[11:26] <shadeslayer> stephan123: from your /
[11:27] <shadeslayer> stephan123: if everything went correct ls -la should show your / :)
[11:27] <stephan123> root@ubuntu:/# chroot . /bin/sh
[11:27] <stephan123> # ls -la
[11:27] <stephan123> insgesamt 2
[11:27] <stephan123> drwxr-xr-x  30 root root   240 2009-07-03 09:49 .
[11:27] <stephan123> drwxr-xr-x  30 root root   240 2009-07-03 09:49 ..
[11:27] <FloodBotK2> stephan123: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[11:27] <stephan123> drwxr-xr-x   2 root root  1520 2008-04-22 18:10 bin
[11:28] <stephan123> shadeslayer: look ok to my, how to see if its correct? how to move on?
[11:30] <stephan123> shadeslayer: this are the files from the cd
[11:31] <stephan123> shadeslayer: should i run: ﻿sudo chroot . /media/disk-1/usr/bin/sh ?
[11:39] <DOOM777> did anyone have plasma crashing horribly with
[11:39] <DOOM777> Unrecognized character: /
[11:39] <DOOM777> Unrecognized character: /
[11:39] <DOOM777> ERROR: syntax error
[11:39] <FloodBotK2> DOOM777: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[11:40] <shadeslayer> stephan123: there? i got disconnected there :)
[11:40] <stephan123> yes im there
[11:41] <stephan123> ﻿(10:30:07) stephan123: shadeslayer: this are the files from the cd
[11:41] <shadeslayer> stephan123: so did it work?
[11:41] <stephan123> ﻿(10:31:37) stephan123: shadeslayer: should i run: ﻿sudo chroot . /media/disk-1/usr/bin/sh ?
[11:41] <shadeslayer> stephan123: yes...
[11:41] <stephan123> how to exit the prev. chroot?
[11:42] <shadeslayer> stephan123: exit
[11:42] <stephan123> root@ubuntu:/# sudo chroot . /media/disk-1/usr/bin/sh
[11:43] <shadeslayer> stephan123: no need for sudo there if you already are root
[11:43] <stephan123>  No such file or directory ,
[11:43] <DOOM777> did any of you have problems with plasma?
[11:43] <stephan123> but i can navigate there
[11:43] <DOOM777> with "Unrecognized character:?
[11:44] <shadeslayer> stephan123: no i said /bin/sh not /usr/bin/sh
[11:44] <stephan123> ups
[11:45] <shadeslayer> stephan123: run chroot . /media/disk-1/bin/sh
[11:46] <stephan123>  /media/disk-1/bin/sh: 3: Syntax error: "(" unexpected
[11:47] <shadeslayer> stephan123: strange...it worked for me earlier...
[11:48] <stephan123> grml
[11:48] <stephan123> how to mount my /home partition readable so that i at least can backup my development database?
[11:49] <shadeslayer> stephan123: i can paste my conversation if you wish...
[11:49] <pavan_> I see something called lrm in df -k. This seems to link to some old kernel version (post which I've not been able to upgrade). What's this?
[11:49] <shadeslayer> stephan123: first do sudo fdisk -l to determine the partition
[11:51] <fg56xfd> For some reason my computer isnt picking up a signal from my wireless router (that is less than 6 inches away from the computer) Sometimes it will pick up a signal from it and from a few others around me, but sometimes it wont see any. What would cause it to act like this?>
[11:51] <shadeslayer> stephan123: then sudo mkdir /media/home;sudo mount /dev/sdax /media/home where sdax is the partition no. from sudo fdisk -l
[11:51] <stephan123> its already writable but only as root
[11:52] <shadeslayer> stephan123: no idea on that...
[11:53] <amik> at which point during startup does DNS become available?
[11:53] <shadeslayer> amik: have a look at bum
[11:53] <shadeslayer> !infp bum | amik
[11:53] <shadeslayer> !info bum | amik
[11:54] <amik> shadeslayer: I will, thanks
[11:54] <shadeslayer> !bum | amik also see
[11:58] <stephan123> shadeslayer: on a new install can i use the installer to mount my old /home partition , or will it be earased?
[11:58] <shadeslayer> stephan123: the /home is a diff. partition?
[11:58] <stephan123> shadeslayer: yes
[11:59] <shadeslayer> stephan123: then just reinstall / , and under custom partition's set the current /home to /home again and dont formatt it
[11:59] <amik> shadeslayer: I'm looking at bum, it's a service manager, but I still have no idea what service I'm looking for (none of them seem to mention DNS or even networking)
[12:00] <shadeslayer> amik: there should be something called dnsmasq or similar
[12:01] <sabgenton> is there a netbook remix for kubunut
[12:01] <sabgenton> kubuntu
[12:01] <shadeslayer> sabgenton: one is planned for karmic :)
[12:01] <amik> shadeslayer: nope. to clarify: I'm not looking for a DNS server, but the point at which DNS lookups become possible (as a client)
[12:01] <shadeslayer> amik: ohh.. i dont know then sorry..
[12:02] <sabgenton> shadeslayer: hmm I know someone who has kubuntu on there netbook and they told me to find the netbook remix
[12:02] <sabgenton> but I can only find that on ubuntu's website
[12:02] <shadeslayer> sabgenton: then what you are looking for is UNR..
[12:02] <amik> shadeslayer: ok, thanks :-)
[12:02] <sabgenton> !unr
[12:03] <sabgenton> ok thanks
[12:03] <shadeslayer> sabgenton: its called Ubuntu netboot remix...
[12:03] <amik> shadeslayer: actually I can't see anything like dhcp or networkmanager in the list either...
[12:03] <shadeslayer> !remix
[12:03] <sabgenton> dum bot
[12:03] <Tm_T> sabgenton: that "ubuntu netbook remix" itself is nothing but few extra packages IIRC
[12:03] <sabgenton> k
[12:03] <Tm_T> and a bit different default configs
[12:04] <sabgenton> Tm_T: well its a usb image anyway
[12:04] <Tm_T> nothing you cannot get into regular Ubuntu
[12:04] <sabgenton> instead of an iso
[12:04] <shadeslayer> Tm_T: and a different GUI :)
[12:04] <Tm_T> sabgenton: so is others if need be
[12:04] <Tm_T> shadeslayer: that's the "extra packages" bit
[12:05] <mofux> hi
[12:05] <mofux> when will kde4.3 rc1 be available for testing?
[12:05] <Tm_T> sabgenton: so, for netbook, you can run normal Kubuntu just fine
[12:06] <shadeslayer> mofux: see topic
[12:07] <mofux> shadeslayer: aaah, cool, thanks alot
[12:08] <shadeslayer> mofux: no problem :)
[12:12] <fg56xfd> My wifi doesn't seem to be working, and when I go into "hardware drivers" and select the madwifi drivers nothing seems to be happening. Anyone know what would cause this?
[12:18] <shadeslayer> fg56xfd: did you just select them or did you install them?
[12:19] <fg56xfd> shadeslayer: I clicked "activate" from the hardware drivers menu, but unlike when I chose the nvidia drivers no seperate window came up with a progress bar or anything. And the circle stays grey, not green.
[12:20] <shadeslayer> fg56xfd: did you have a look at the wiki?
[12:21] <fg56xfd> Didnt know there was one.
[12:21] <fg56xfd> !madwifi
[12:25] <fg56xfd> What other package do you need aside from "build-essential" to build from source?
[12:25] <shadeslayer> fg56xfd: cmake and other dev packages
[12:26] <shadeslayer> !compile | fg56xfd
[12:40] <Gargoyle76> can anyone help with a multiple screen set up?
[12:42] <BluesKaj> 'morning
[12:45] <_4strO> hi there
[12:46] <bentob0x> the plasma update is nice
[12:46] <_4strO> just a little question, where Quassel come from ?
[12:46] <_4strO> apparently it just appaer today
[12:47] <_4strO> is it supposed to replace Konversation ?
[12:48] <shadeslayer> _4strO: its there from 4.0
[12:49] <shadeslayer> _4strO: and yes its a replacement for konversation
[12:49] <_4strO> shadeslayer: ho i didn't see it before :p
[12:49] <shadeslayer> _4strO: hehe..
[12:49]  * _4strO have to open his eyes (better)
[12:49] <_4strO> shadeslayer: ok anyway thx for the answer
[12:50] <_4strO> too late ...
[12:50] <fir3ee_> str0?
[12:50] <_4strO> nop
[12:52] <_4strO> i have another pb with my Kde, i don't know how to disable/enable the wireless by default
[12:59] <ee> Anyone has experience using KDE developing GUI? Or is there have links talking about KDE API calls?
[12:59] <ee> Or QT API calls?
[13:04] <amik> ee: I find them online, each at it's own site. mostly just by googling
[13:04] <BaudThief> argh... how do I manually set up DNS settings in jaunty? Network manager does nothing, my wired connection doesn't even show up lol
[13:05] <amik> ee: http://doc.trolltech.com/4.5/index.html
[13:06] <amik> ee: http://api.kde.org/
[13:07] <BaudThief> w00t got it, editing resolv.conf still works
[13:12] <DOOM777> how do I reinstall plasma?
[13:14] <Tm_T> DOOM777: in konsole, "sudo apt-get install --reinstall kdebase-workspace-bin"
[13:16] <DOOM777> hmm
[13:21] <amik> is there a good (gui?) tool for seeing startup daemon dependencies?
[13:23] <amik> also, why are there rcX.d scripts to start NetworkManager, but no equivalent scripts to stop it?
[13:27] <Gargoyle76> can anyone help with a multiple screen set up? with separate seesions running on each
[13:27] <amik> Gargoyle76: I've never used them with separate sessions...
[13:31] <Gargoyle76> amik: I would like to have one monitor not flip desktops when the other does
[13:32] <Gargoyle76> amik: i've got them running under twinview...but it's just not what I want....I get a "X" cursor on the other monitor like it's waiting for the session to start...but how to start it?
[13:35] <ee> Thanks, it really helpful!
[13:41] <DOOM777> hey i have a stupid problme
[13:41] <DOOM777> i  have no access to files and directories in my home directory
[13:41] <DOOM777> as in /home/username works
[13:41] <DOOM777> but anything inside that cant' be accessed
[13:41] <DOOM777> what this could be
[13:42] <DOOM777> Gargoyle76: do you have nvidia
[13:42] <amik> Gargoyle76: I'm using TwinView and it works as I'd expect - the second monitor (TV) has just the background (which I set to black), and I can move the mouse, windows, etc. from the first monitor on to it by dragging...
[13:43] <amik> Gargoyle76: I use nvidia-settings to configure it and it works...
[13:43] <DOOM777> Gargoyle76: i am using Twinview also, same as amik
[13:43] <DOOM777> Gargoyle76: sudo apt-get install nvidiaglx
[13:43] <Yanick_> hi, I'm running a KRDC instance, and the window is maximized, like fullscreen, but not fullscreen... how can I restore it's size to normal without closing it?
[13:44] <Yanick_> alt+click doesn't move it. Alt+F5 or Alt+F6 doesn't do anything
[13:45] <amik> DOOM777: "can't be accessed" as in directories or files? maybe u removed the x permission from the directories?
[13:45] <Tm_T> Yanick_: alt+F3 brings window menu ?
[13:45] <DOOM777> let me try
[13:45] <BluesKaj> DOOM777, you have to be more specific nvidiaglx-180 or ?
[13:46] <DOOM777> BluesKaj: 180 is best
[13:46] <BluesKaj> depends on the card
[13:46] <DOOM777> amik: thanks
[13:46] <DOOM777> BluesKaj: maybe. I am the least profficient in linux
[13:47] <BluesKaj> DOOM777, then don't tellppl to install something you're not sure will work for them
[13:47] <Yanick_> Tm_T, nope
[13:48] <amik> while we're on the topic, does using the restricted drivers gui thing just do an apt-get or is there something else to it?
[13:49] <BluesKaj> amik you choose which driver is recommended and then it uses that
[13:49] <BluesKaj> it=HAL
[13:51] <amik> BluesKaj: but does it use it just by installing the package normally or does something more complex?
[13:52] <BluesKaj> it has to do with the kernel and graphics driver support
[13:52] <BluesKaj> !HAL
[13:52] <amik> BluesKaj: in other words, if I want say nvidia 180 drivers, does selecting it in that gui and apt-getting it result in an identical system?
[13:52] <flithm> Hey all, when I try to play anything through my soundcard the app just freezes.  The module is loaded fine, alsa appears to be working, I can control the mixers, but sound output always freezes. Anyone have any idea what might be going on?
[13:54] <BluesKaj> amik , the drivers are sort of held in escrow , ready to be called  when you make your choice , but choosing a driver which isn't recommended may break your system.
[13:55] <BluesKaj> amik but apt-get installing the right driver works too :)
[13:55] <afeijo> why apt-get isnt offering the update to firefox 3.5 ?
[13:56] <BluesKaj> afeijo, because it's not an official release
[13:56] <amik> BluesKaj: so they're all installed (as in downloaded and available), but only one of them actually gets loaded and used?
[13:56] <afeijo> are you sure? thats weird, it is official, its on the main page, and all articles about it
[13:56] <BluesKaj> amik , yeah, that's about right
[13:57] <amik> FF 3.5 was officially released a couple days ago afaik
[13:57] <afeijo> yep
[13:58] <flithm> http://www.ubuntusolutions.org/2009/07/installing-firefox-3-5-the-right-way-on-ubuntu-jaunty.html
[13:58] <amik> my windows boxes are updated, but kubuntu is still waiting...
[13:58] <BluesKaj> afeijo, if it was official then FF would have auto-upgraded
[13:59] <amik> I thought the ubuntu FF package disables the built in auto-update mechanism, and uses only the regular distro repos, no?
[13:59] <afeijo> BluesKaj: it did on all windows that we have here, but our linux machines that Check for Updates menu item isnt even enabled
[13:59] <flithm> BluesKaj: Ubuntu doesn't put the newest version into backports.  Firefox 3.5 is definitely official, but that doesn't mean they'll backport
[13:59] <afeijo> amik: that what I was thinking, only thru distro
[13:59] <afeijo> but distro isnt updated yet to 3.5
[13:59] <flithm> they might soon because it's a high profile app, but usually they don't
[13:59] <BluesKaj> the linux version isn't ready
[13:59] <flithm> yes it is BluesKaj
[13:59] <afeijo> BluesKaj: I downloaded the tar.gz file
[14:00] <BluesKaj> well then go for it
[14:00] <amik> I agree - it's very high profile, and will hopefully be available as soon as they package it (apply the ubuntu patches etc.) and make it available in the repos. I hope :-)
[14:00] <afeijo> I always installed it thru apt-get, not sure where to unpack it
[14:00] <afeijo> I'll wait
[14:00] <flithm> you can install from the mozilla nightly ppa repo
[14:01] <BluesKaj> downloading the tar file tells me it's not official for linux yet ,  it's not an official upgrade in linux
[14:01] <afeijo> if the file is on the firefox site, its official enough for me lol
[14:01] <BluesKaj> tar file means it's still testing on linux
[14:01] <amik> I'd love to upgrade too, but to be honest, it won't make any difference for the time being ;-)
[14:02] <BluesKaj> well afeijo , have fun
[14:02] <afeijo> you too
[14:02] <BluesKaj> I've read poor reviews for FF3.5
[14:02] <afeijo> amik: its faster, and better memory management, it will make lots of difference to me I hope, as FF here after 5 hours under use go over 1 gb ram
[14:02] <flithm> BluesKaj: where does it tell you that?  I don't see aything about that
[14:03] <BluesKaj> flithm, checkout techrepublic
[14:04] <flithm> BluesKaj: you said "downloading the tar file tells me it's not official for linux yet" -- I don't see anything about that in the tar file
[14:04] <canen> isn't there an easier way to clean up kernels than manually removing them?
[14:04] <flithm> the download page makes it look like it's out and never mentions anything about testing for linux or anything like that
[14:04] <afeijo> lol
[14:07] <amik> http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/3.5/releasenotes/ - looks official to me, linux included
[14:07] <BluesKaj> flithm, if FF was "official" for linux , the next time you used FF , it would auto-upgrade to the latest version without having to compile from source
[14:07] <afeijo> its just the folks who deal distro need more time to update it
[14:08] <amik> BluesKaj: afaik ubuntu disables the FF build in updater, so that all updates go through the repos
[14:08] <flithm> BluesKaj: that's absolutely not true.  Mozilla team releases firefox, and ubuntu packages it.  Mozilla doesn't package for Ubuntu.  And Ubuntu does not automatically put new versions of apps into the package repo
[14:08] <flithm> new versions must go through the backports procedure
[14:08] <BluesKaj> amik, yes that's a given , that you have the repos in your sources list
[14:09] <flithm> BluesKaj: I am the author of an app that in the ubuntu repos so I know how it works
[14:09] <phant0m_> anyone got any advice on how to view rkhunter log it wont let me in
[14:09] <phant0m_> permission denied even as root
[14:10] <BluesKaj> well bully for you , but it's still isn't official
[14:10] <amik> BluesKaj: the point is that the FF auto-upgrader is disabled in the ubuntu packages.
[14:10] <amik> I just hope they package it up quickly, so that it remains shiny enough when we get the upgrade!
[14:11] <flithm> BluesKaj: please provide a source for your information.  I think you just don't understand how packing works on Ubuntu.  Just because it's not in the ubuntu repos doesn't mean a release isn't official.  Those two things have nothing to do with one another!
[14:11] <phant0m_> anyone ? rkhunter?
[14:11]  * BluesKaj wonders how he got FF3.0 without a repos deb
[14:11] <amik> phant0m_: what permissions does the log file have?
[14:11] <phant0m_> ?
[14:11] <phant0m_> root
[14:12] <phant0m_> i launch from terminal as root
[14:12] <phant0m_> and then when its done it tells me to access log file
[14:12] <amik> phant0m_: if u run 'ls -lk' on the file you're trying to access, what's the result?
[14:12] <phant0m_> when i try to it tells me to get lost basically
[14:13] <phant0m_> ok hangon ill try it
[14:15] <amik> anyway, I think there's just confusion over the semantics of 'official'. There's Mozilla's official FF 3.5 release, already out. Soon there will be an official FF 3.5 ubuntu package release.
[14:15] <BluesKaj> flithm, official for windows maybe, in linux if it isn't in the repos, it's not official IMO
[14:15] <Sakamocchi> Hi, anyone to know the way to set two monitors as one desktop?
[14:15] <amik> other distros may or may not already have an official <distro> package available in it's repos
[14:16] <flithm> BluesKaj: You realize that Ubuntu isn't all of linux right?  Lots of other distros already have packages for ff 3.5 in their repos
[14:16] <phant0m_> /var/log/rkhunter.log: Permission denied
[14:16] <amik> Sakamocchi: if u have nvidia drivers, u can run the nvidia settings app (nvidia-settings) and configure TwinView. works for me...
[14:16] <phant0m_>     Checking /dev for suspicious file types                  [ Warning ]
[14:17] <phant0m_>     Checking for group file changes                          [ Warning ]
[14:17] <amik> phant0m_: if u run 'sudo ls -lk /var/log/rkhunter.log', what's the output?
[14:17] <phant0m_>     /usr/bin/rpm                                             [ Warning ]
[14:17] <phant0m_> oh ok brb
[14:18] <BluesKaj> ok , flithm , I stand corrected , official for (k)ubuntu, but it's the onlu linux I'm using atm
[14:18] <phant0m_> -rw------- 1 root root 73 2009-07-03 14:14 /var/log/rkhunter.log
[14:18] <BluesKaj> only
[14:18] <phant0m_> so what does tht mean then?
[14:19] <amik> phant0m_: it means the file is both owned by root, and can be read and written only by root.
[14:19] <Sakamocchi> can I set it with krandrtray?
[14:19] <BluesKaj> frankly  flithm why should we care about "official in other distros" , they don't count here anyway
[14:19] <amik> phant0m_: now what happens if you run 'sudo less /var/log/rkhunter.log'?
[14:20] <flithm> BluesKaj: no worries, I know it's confusing.  If we want to get really pedantic, FF 3.5 is already available in Ubuntu 9.10's repos.  The Ubuntu MOTU team is just really cautious about putting new releases of stuff directly unto the Universe repo.
[14:20] <phant0m_> k brb
[14:20] <flithm> BluesKaj: the whole point is that the FF 3.5 linux release IS official, done, final, and out.  And that it is not available in 9.04's repos.
[14:21] <phant0m_> Info: Start date is Fri Jul  3 14:13:57 BST 2009
[14:21] <phant0m_> [14:13:57]
[14:21] <phant0m_> [14:13:57] Checking configuration file and command-line options...
[14:21] <phant0m_> [14:13:57] Info: Detected operating system is 'Linux'
[14:21] <phant0m_> [14:13:57] Info: Found O/S name: Ubuntu 9.04
[14:21] <FloodBotK2> phant0m_: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[14:21] <amik> BluesKaj: almost true - except for the fact that once the original developers made a realease, it means it's *possible* to make an ubuntu package release. before that, it's not possible. so it serves as a sign a sign that it's just around the corner, not waiting for anything other than package maintainers to wrap it up.
[14:22] <BluesKaj> yeah flithm , well, if it ain't in the in the repos it ain't offical , that's my story and i'm sticking to it :)
[14:23] <amik> phant0m_: it looks like you're reading the log file... no more 'permission denied'? (btw type 'q' to exit the "less" viewer)
[14:23] <phant0m_> ok ty
[14:23] <amik> phant0m_: maybe u were just missing 'sudo', which u need to put before any command to make it run as root (with root privileges)
[14:23] <flithm> lol BluesKaj just stop being so stubborn, and you might actually learn something :).  I'm okay with whatever you want to believe though.  But I guarantee you that kind of attitude is going to hold you back in life
[14:24] <BluesKaj> amik, I'm running karmic , but I don't have the nerve to install FF3.5
[14:24] <amik> BluesKaj: but it's shiny! don't you like shiny things?
[14:24] <phant0m_> probly ive literALLY JUST MOVED TO UBUNTU FROM WINDOWS SO IVE NOT A CLUE WHAT TO DO
[14:24] <phant0m_> damn caps
[14:25] <BluesKaj> flithm, hold me back in life ...heh that's a laugh ...I'm 65 and retired :)
[14:25] <amik> phant0m_: I just migrated a while ago, learning a lot myself - good luck!
[14:25] <phant0m_> ty again
[14:26] <amik> phant0m_: some day you'll pay it forward to some other noob, just as I am now :-)
[14:26] <phant0m_> lol you re probably right
[14:26] <BluesKaj> ppl giving me advice about "life " cuz we disagree about a browser ...wow
[14:26] <flithm> BluesKaj: sorry... that's the kind of attitude that's held you back in life
[14:27] <phant0m_> lol blueskaj
[14:27] <amik> BluesKaj: the browser it just the symptom :-)
[14:27] <BluesKaj> flithm , amik, who made you experts on life ...you have to live it
[14:27] <amik> BluesKaj: lol, never thought I'd be saying such a sentance in any context...
[14:28] <phant0m_> amik even though ive looked at these logs and found tht there is something there i dont actually know what to do to remedy it
[14:28] <tsimpson> can we move the offtopic chat to -offtopic please?
[14:30] <amik> So, how about Chrome in Ubuntu?
[14:30] <BluesKaj> but tsimpson . I'm about to get lecture in living  my life , can't you wait for some sage advice ?
[14:30] <phant0m_> tbh i dont think i would trust anything tht comes from google
[14:31] <amik> phant0m_: well I don't know rkhunter (or even what it is), so I'm afraid I can't help with that...
[14:31] <phant0m_> rootkit hunter
[14:33] <flithm> phant0m_: whats going wrong?  I use rkhunter all the time
[14:34] <phant0m_> it tells me 3 warnings
[14:34] <phant0m_> now rkhunter does its job ok
[14:34] <phant0m_> but i dont know how to deal with the warnings
[14:34] <amik> phant0m_: btw, for future tasks, 'sudo' is to run command line commands as root, and 'kdesudo' is for running GUI (window-based) apps as root...
[14:34] <Ultimate_darknes> !twinview
[14:35] <phant0m_> soz amik btw?
[14:36] <flithm> phant0m_:  it's probably because those files have changed after a system update or something.  Are they changes relating to system files?  You can update rkhunter's database by doing "sudo rkhunter --propupd" and should probably do "rkhunter --update" then "rkhunter --check" to run it again
[14:36] <flithm> phant0m_: but run as root with sudo of course
[14:36] <amik> phant0m_: what's soz?
[14:36] <phant0m_> btw stands for??
[14:37] <flithm> phant0m_: by the way
[14:37] <phant0m_> ok ty
[14:37] <amik> and soz?
[14:37] <liberfiasco> There are no windows showing in task manager.
[14:37] <phant0m_> lol for bein so ignorant as to not know what btw is
[14:37] <liberfiasco> in RC1
[14:37] <tsimpson> amik: "soz" is a short form of "sorry"
[14:39] <amik> tsimpson: 10x. funny I never heard it... I've been in this business for quite a while...
[14:39] <tsimpson> it's used in informal situations
[14:39] <BluesKaj> ok guys, I'm gonna try FF3.5 ..I'll report back
[14:40] <BluesKaj> soz is new to me as well
[14:40] <BluesKaj> must be a brit thing :)
[14:40] <tsimpson> yep :)
[14:40] <tsimpson> we're a lazy bunch
[14:40] <phant0m_> yeah it is where you from
[14:41] <amik> oh. then cheers :-)
[14:41] <BluesKaj> we use sry , so we canucks are lazy lot at time s too
[14:42] <tsimpson> no, we actually say "soz", verbally
[14:42] <phant0m_> you see how long ive been under windows even effecting my slang terms lol i should sue
[14:42] <amik> tsimpson: like 'sauce' with a z?
[14:43] <amik> there we go offtopic again... so I'll repeat an unanswered question from earlier:
[14:44] <amik> at what point during startup are DNS services (client-wise, not server) available?
[14:44] <phant0m_> i aint a clue what your talkin about
[14:44] <tsimpson> amik: not quite, start saying "sorry" (the "so" bit), but end with a 'z', like the end of "buzz"
[14:44] <phant0m_> lol
[14:45] <amik> tsimpson: yeah, I realized my question was silly, coz u say 'sauce' differently too :-)
[14:45] <BluesKaj> hmm offtopic ... ?
[14:45] <flithm> amik: depends, are you using DHCP?  if so, then the DHCP client usually sets /etc/resolv.conf from the info it gets from the DHCP server.  In Ubuntu's case this is typically done whenever NetworkManager connects
[14:45] <phant0m_> we dont say it funny we spawned english language
[14:46] <amik> phant0m_: of course. It's english language itself that's funny. others just try to fix it :-)
[14:47] <phant0m_> lol yeah spose they do
[14:47] <amik> flithm: I've gotten that far, but still stuck: I see that resolv.conf has a comment saying it's generated by NetworkManager. I see NetworkManager being started as S50NetworkManager (with no corresponding K, btw)
[14:48] <BluesKaj> if you spoke any of the scandinavian languages (except for finnish)  then you'd know that english merely another derivative of old norse :)
[14:48] <amik> flithm: but when I start james as S51, I still get errors (I actually added a printout of resolv.conf to the beginning of the init.d/james script - which shows a blank resolv.conf)
[14:48] <flithm> amik: no K part is fine... what's the actual problem?  I missed the beginning of the problem I think
[14:49] <phant0m_> flithm this is what i got [14:43:07]   Checking for local host name                    [ Found ]
[14:49] <phant0m_> [14:43:07] Info: Starting test name 'startup_malware'
[14:49] <phant0m_> [14:43:07] Info: Found local startup file: /etc/rc.local
[14:49] <phant0m_> [14:43:07]   Checking for local startup files                [ Found ]
[14:49] <FloodBotK2> phant0m_: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[14:49] <liberfiasco> I've upgraded to RC1 in backports.. and there are no windows in task manager, the only way to switch between windows is alt-tab.. anyone knows anything about that?
[14:50] <amik> flithm: I'm trying to run Apache JAMES (their Java mail server) as a daemon on startup. When run manually - no problem. when run during boot - I get errors looking up DNS stuff.
[14:50] <liberfiasco> it's such an obvious bug.. it could't have gone missed like this :S
[14:50] <liberfiasco> especially since they focused on task manager in the beta..
[14:50] <amik> flithm: so I figured the network (whatever that includes) may not be set up yet. so I set it up to start after NetworkManager (S51 after S50), but still - nada
[14:52] <amik> flithm: and I think NetworkManager does have something to do with it, because resolv.conf is generated by it, and gets emptied by it during boot (that's the symptom I see) only to be filled again with the nameserver by the time the system is up and running.
[14:52] <phant0m_> /dev/shm/pulse-shm-3186001882: data
[14:52] <phant0m_> /dev/shm/pulse-shm-3121711648: data
[14:52] <flithm> amik: the problem is that network manager may not connect until you log in depending on how it's set up.  Do you use wireless or anything?  have you tried putting it in /etc/rc.local?
[14:52] <phant0m_> suspicious file types according to rkhunter
[14:52] <flithm> rc.local is guaranteed to run after everything else
[14:53] <flithm> phant0m_: those are fine
[14:53] <BluesKaj> network manager is flaky , wicd works well here on 3 machines , both wifi and eth0
[14:53] <liberfiasco> meh brb
[14:53] <amik> flithm: no wireless
[14:53] <phant0m_> so why has it had me on a wild goose chase
[14:53] <amik> flithm: I followed instructions of using update-rc.d to set it up. what's rc.local?
[14:54] <tsimpson> phant0m_: because rootkit hunters are not perfect and will almost always throw up at least one false-positive
[14:54] <flithm> phant0m_: it's just being cautious.  shared memory files can be a cause for concern but pulse creates those for a reason.
[14:54] <phant0m_> right ok ty
[14:54] <flithm> amik: rc.local is the init script that runs last.  You can use it to run things at startup that you know need to run after everything else
[14:55] <flithm> amik: it might be a good way to test... put like "cat /etc/resolv.conf > /tmp/TEST" in there, reboot, and see what's in there
[14:56] <amik> flithm: is there anything network related that gets set up after NetworkManager?
[14:56] <amik> flithm: I will. that's exactly what I did at S51, which I expected to be ok, but it was still empty (i.e. before NetworkManager filled it in - even though it ran after NetwrokManager!)
[14:58] <amik> That's one thing I think linux makes way too wierd and error prone. in windows, there's just explicit dependencies. u can mark for each service what it depends on, and everyting just works by itself.
[14:58] <flithm> amik: what is the dependency information you put in your S51 script? Did you say networking and network manager need to start before it?  Try renaming it to S99 just for kicks
[14:58] <flithm> amik: I suspect you might have got the dependencies marked wrong
[14:58] <amik> flithm: quite possible... what/how should it be?
[14:59] <amik> I actually thought the Snn numbers determine the order, and thus implicitly the dependencies
[15:00] <amik> is there some good tutorial on this whole business? couldn't find anything helpful
[15:02] <flithm> amik: not quite.  They determine the desired order.  The init system is much more complex now than it used to be, it can even start services in parallel.  Thus the dependency system.  You should have "X-Start-After: networking NetworkManager" in there I think.  And you created the script in /etc/init.d/ right and then symlinked it to rc3.d and rc5.d?
[15:03] <amik> yep, a manual "/etc/init.d/james start" works correctly, and I used update-rc.d to set up the levels
[15:04] <flithm> amik: the X-Start-After should be in the comments at the top of the file.  Have you manually verified that the script is in rc3.d rc5.d?  (good to be sure it's done the right thing)
[15:04] <amik> so doesn't that mean anything S51 will run after S50? why the explicit X-Start_after? is that a script command?
[15:04] <amik> the scripts are in rcX.d, and everything does run. just with these dns errors.
[15:05] <amik> well I suppose now I have a new google term to search for (x-start-after). I'll read up and see what I can learn...
[15:05] <amik> thanks!
[15:06] <flithm> The numberings still matter yes
[15:06] <flithm> My theory right now is that when S51 is running NetworkManager has started but the DHCP client hasn't finished getting an address yet, so resolv.conf hasn't been written to yet
[15:07] <amik> ... or maybe not. googling linux x-start-after gives nothing.
[15:07] <flithm> It could be wrong, but that's my guess
[15:07] <Gargoyle76> doom777: i have set all that up...it works well...sry yes nvidia card...i want to run it as a separate x screens
[15:07] <amik> so they start in order but don't wait for completion before moving on? that's possible...
[15:07] <DOOM777> Gargoyle76: can you run nvidia config?
[15:08] <Gargoyle76> yep
[15:08] <Gargoyle76> doom777:yep
[15:08] <amik> flithm: I gotta run... but thanks for the insights, I'll try reading up some more later.
[15:08] <amik> cya!
[15:08] <flithm> amik: no problem... btw check the cups init script it uses x-start-after
[15:08] <flithm> good luck
[15:09] <Doom777> you set them up as separate x screens in X Screens Display Configurations?
[15:09] <Gargoyle76> doom777: it comes on but w/o a background or anything...just the "X"
[15:09] <Gargoyle76> doom777:yep
[15:10] <Doom777> dunno then. I am prety noobish. sorry. My final guess would be to restart X server
[15:12] <Gargoyle76> doom777: what is MetaMode?
[15:12] <Doom777> basically it is a possible configuration for a desktop
[15:12] <Doom777> like 1280x1094_75
[15:12] <Doom777> 75 is the refresh rate
[15:15] <BluesKaj> hmm, FF3.5 installs as a seperate browser ..doesn't see any of the settings, bookmarks or extns on FF3.0
[15:18] <Gargoyle76> doom777: gotcha
[15:20] <shadeslayer> anyone have this bug : Note that these packages have a bug which causes X to die during the upgrade. The upgrade will continue and you can reboot when it is done.
[15:20] <shadeslayer> while upgrading to 4.3 RC1
[15:27] <fg56xfd> I can't seem to get my wireless to work. I've tried almost every walkthough on the wifi page, and none of them seem to work. Sometimes when i boot up it will scan everything and it will see all the wireless signals around me (usually 2 or 3, the closest being my wireless router that is about 6 inches from the laptop) but most of the time when I boot up there is nothing displayed under Network Manager. And if i enter the ssid of my wireless
[15:27] <fg56xfd> router it shows no signal from it. How can I get wireless working?
[15:29] <BluesKaj> fg56xfd, try wicd
[15:29] <fg56xfd> !wicd
[15:30] <BluesKaj> !info-wicd
[15:33] <shadeslayer> !info wicd | fg56xfd
[15:34] <fg56xfd> wicd says "No Networks Found"
[15:35] <shadeslayer> fg56xfd: how about iwlist scan in a  terminal?
[15:35] <BluesKaj> wicd has to be setup in preferences, fg56xfd
[15:36] <fg56xfd> shadeslayer: http://paste.ubuntu.com/209052/
[15:37] <shadeslayer> fg56xfd: i said " iwlist scan " :)
[15:37] <fg56xfd> Oops.
[15:38] <fg56xfd> http://paste.ubuntu.com/209054/
[15:38] <shadeslayer> fg56xfd: didnt detect any networks
[15:39] <shadeslayer> fg56xfd: maybe a problem with the router?
[15:39] <fg56xfd> shadeslayer: It's worked before. And i usually pick up neighbrors also.
[15:40] <shadeslayer> fg56xfd: hmm..what card?
[15:40] <fg56xfd> Its a Atheros chipset.
[15:41] <shadeslayer> fg56xfd: is the router working fine?
[15:41] <fg56xfd> shadeslayer: I have no other way to check wireless on it, but im running wired though it right now.
[15:42] <shadeslayer> fg56xfd: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/Atheros
[15:42] <shadeslayer> fg56xfd: i need to go for 25 min....
[15:42] <fg56xfd> shadeslayer: Alright.
[15:52] <shadeslayer> fg56xfd: did it work?
[15:54] <Sakamocchi> Hi, i want to set two displays as one desktop in KDE on ubuntu.
[15:54] <Sakamocchi> then i install grandr and try to set up.
[15:55] <shadeslayer> !dual | Sakamocchi
[15:55] <Sakamocchi> perhaps dual. I have never use the word dual in this meaning.
[15:56] <shadeslayer> Sakamocchi: actually i thought that was a factoid...im fishing in ubottu
[15:56] <shadeslayer> !xrandr | Sakamocchi
[15:56] <Sakamocchi> ok. i refer to the url. thx
[15:57] <takoski> hi i have a problem with video  http://rapidshare.com/files/251463298/OGV-2.ogv.html  also with mozilla do this problem.Only when the page is refreshed
[16:05] <mattos> where do I find more of networks for quassel irc
[16:09] <Dragnslcr> mattos- could probably ask Google
[16:09] <Dragnslcr> Anybody can run an IRC server, so there really isn't a predefined list
[16:11] <BluesKaj> mattos , google irc servers , you'll fins a large list
[16:11] <BluesKaj> find
[16:12] <mattos> hehe, thank you...
[16:12] <mattos> I am on it...
[16:19] <fg56xfd> Ive tried everything i can to get my Atheros wireless to work. Some times when I boot up it sees my network and all the networks all around me. But most of the time when I boot up it dont see any of them, and when i manually enter the ssid to my router it says there is no signal (even though its less than 6 inches away) Ive tried almost every guide on the ubuntu wifi page and none of them work. And most people with atheros cards report them
[16:19] <fg56xfd> working sraight out of the box. Can anyone help me get this working?
[16:19] <pavan_> What is this lrm stuff that I see on df -k?
[16:27] <linuxbomb> what is a good indexing search for jaunty?  I've tried google desktop and strigi and dont like either
[16:30] <DOOM777> hey
[16:30] <DOOM777> quick question
[16:30] <DOOM777> does anyone know how to make the Desktop Cube animation to show only on one screen in a TwinView?
[16:32] <BluesKaj> linuxbomb, I just use : locate file/app | grep username  ,  in the konsole
[16:43] <ytoox> I installed banshee and tagerine music sharing but no one can enter the folder on the network. Is there anything I can do?
[16:44] <Thesilentwarrior> hey guys, i have a lil problem, i am using a portable pc that is like... OLD, just to say it kindly, and i am running kubundu, its kinda slow atm, is there any stuff i can change to make it use less resources?
[16:45] <Thesilentwarrior> btw, doesnt even have 3d card... it came with windows 2000, so, its old, probably a pentium 0.8 ghz or something, but with 1 gb ram
[16:53] <mattos> hehe... finally I figure out how to use this, thank you for Drangslcr and Blueskaj
[16:53] <Daskreech> Thesilentwarrior: kill plasma and akonadi and nepomuk?
[16:53] <CPrgmSwR2> Good Morning
[16:53] <BluesKaj> mattos , remind me ...I've forgotten :)
[16:54] <mattos> where to get the list of irc
[16:54] <BluesKaj> okm
[16:54] <Daskreech> Hi CPrgmSwR2 How are you?
[16:54] <CPrgmSwR2> Daskreech: fine
[16:54] <Daskreech> Great :)
[16:55] <Daskreech> how are things?
[16:55] <CPrgmSwR2> Daskreech: I am really enjoying how kde 4.3 is shaping up
[16:55] <CPrgmSwR2> Daskreech: there great
[16:55] <Thesilentwarrior> darkreech what are those?
[16:56] <Daskreech> CPrgmSwR2: Nice eh?
[16:56] <CPrgmSwR2> Daskreech: yeah it is
[16:56] <Daskreech> Thesilentwarrior: Are you running KDE4 ?
[16:56] <CPrgmSwR2> Daskreech: I ditched vista for kde
[16:56] <Daskreech> good choice
[16:57] <Thesilentwarrior> darkreech, i am running kubuntu lastest, so, i bet i have KDE4, yes
[16:57] <CPrgmSwR2> Thesilentwarrior: you can always check by doing a help about kde in a kde window
[16:57] <Thesilentwarrior> darkreech, i am not normally a linux user, i use linux on this one, because its too slow for windowsxp for example, and kubuntu works much better and looks alot nicer
[16:58] <Daskreech> Thesilentwarrior: plasma is the desktop akonadi is the "stuff server" currently only used for mail and contacts so unless you have those open a lot you don't need it running nepomuk is cool but not really a "need" as yet
[16:58] <Daskreech> Thesilentwarrior: if you like you can try KDE3 which is lighter
[16:58] <Daskreech> or LXDE
[16:58] <Thesilentwarrior> i love kde4 xD
[16:58] <Daskreech> Me too :)
[16:59] <Peace-> kde3 was not lighter
[16:59] <Peace-> kde4 is better
[16:59] <Thesilentwarrior> it wasnt?
[16:59] <Peace-> no
[17:00] <Peace-> kde4 is faster and ligher
[17:00] <Peace-> only 222mb on the start
[17:00] <Peace-> with kwin effects
[17:00] <Thesilentwarrior> darkreech, how can i disable them permanently so that i can just start up pc with them closed
[17:03] <qwebirc670869> back, sorry,  did a google search on same tab xD
[17:09] <compilerwriter> Anybody here have an nvidia Geforce 4xx working in Jaunty?
[17:10] <BluesKaj> nvidia Geforce 4-what ?
[17:11] <thesandman> is anybody here familiar with flags/queries within the root system?
[17:14] <thesandman> Blueskaj: are you familiar with the root server flags/quries?
[17:18] <armewurst> hello
[17:18] <BluesKaj> thesandman, i usually use this command : locate file/app | grep root
[17:19] <thesandman> and what does that do?
[17:19] <armewurst> could some1 answer me a question? i am a noobie to linux/kubuntu
[17:20] <BluesKaj> !ask | armewurst
[17:20] <thesandman> Reason asking is because I ran the root servers ip numbers and two of them come back DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE and the other one was the ARMY
[17:20] <armewurst> i have a amd x2 64 bit cpu .. should i get the 64 bit edition of kubuntu?! is it much faster?
[17:21] <BluesKaj> thesandman, shows the location of the file/app
[17:21] <armewurst> or is it just for ram over 4 gb?
[17:21] <thesandman> huh!?
[17:22] <BluesKaj> which root servers ?
[17:22] <armewurst> desktop
[17:23] <BluesKaj> armewurst, ppl have said there are some flash issues with 64 bit , but they could be solved , I'm not sure
[17:24] <thesandman> well i ran the command dig and it showed me 14 root servers present and when I run the command w it says 2 users and it usually says 1 user...now it says 1 user plus x-session manager when it was just 1 user no x-session-manager
[17:24] <armewurst> hm ok then i´ll try the 386 edt. thx
[17:28] <BluesKaj> thesandman, what are the usernames with " w "...if they aren't yours then you might have a piggyback , if you're wireless
[17:29] <BluesKaj> do a trace oute on IPs
[17:29] <BluesKaj> traceroute
[17:29] <thesandman> no i'm not wireless...i'm on a desktop presently...and I dont see any user names
[17:31] <ashenwood> hello
[17:32] <BluesKaj> thesandman, military are known to have sniffers out there
[17:34] <BluesKaj> thesandman, aamof , someone else mentioned the same situation as yours , not too long ago , also in the US
[17:36] <thesandman> Bluskaj: so are you not in the US?
[17:38] <BluesKaj> thesandman , no I'm in Canada
[17:40] <thesandman> Blueskaj: How lucky you are ...free Medical...and not all that unecessary spying on civilians
[17:40]  * compilerwriter stands and sings O Canada
[17:40] <BluesKaj> yeah, free medical , if one can find a doctor
[17:40] <Peace-> BluesKaj: ?
[17:41]  * compilerwriter pours BluesKaj a snifter of Napoleon
[17:41] <Peace-> i was in canada and i always found out a doctor
[17:41] <thesandman> Bluskaj: so are you saying it's hard to find a Doctor or good Doctor?
[17:41] <BluesKaj> not all mediacal costs are covewred , thesandman ..ask some canadians going thru chemo-therapy
[17:41] <BluesKaj> thesandman, both
[17:42] <Peace-> lol
[17:42] <Peace-> in italy is all free
[17:42] <Peace-> bu we pay a lots of tax
[17:42] <BluesKaj> yeah
[17:42] <thesandman> Blueskaj: I saw on a Micheal Moore Documentary that Canadians had the best Doctors as well as Health Care
[17:42] <compilerwriter> Peace I beg to differ.  It is not free.  You all pay for it in confiscatory taxes.
[17:43] <compilerwriter> Thesandman I live in Indiana and you would not believe the number of first rate doctors that left Canada to practice in the US.
[17:44] <BluesKaj> we have good doctors , just not enough of them ...the greedy ones go stateside and are millionaires in 5 yrs , the really dedicated ones stay
[17:44] <Peace-> compilerwriter: well if you have to pay alone your disease i think it coulb be a bit hard
[17:44] <thesandman> no i wouldn't believe it
[17:44] <compilerwriter> True it could be hard Peace.  That is why we have insurance companies.
[17:44] <Peace-> compilerwriter: so you pay...
[17:46] <BluesKaj> the health system here saved my wife's life last yr so I shouldn't complain too much :)
[17:46] <compilerwriter> Indeed we do Peace, but we don't think for an instant that it is free.
[17:46] <thesandman> why is medicine cheaper in other countries...I saw on that same documentary that a astmah inhaler cost 150.00 here in the us and in Cuba it's like 5.00
[17:47] <BluesKaj> thesandman, greed and the profit motive
[17:47] <thesandman> so true
[17:48] <BluesKaj> we have price controls on essentials
[17:48] <Peace-> compilerwriter: well if one has not money or can not work  it has doctor for free as me that i work
[17:50] <thesandman> Blueskaj: How is the job scene there?...as in "is there plenty or a variety of work there"?
[17:52] <BluesKaj> our economy is quite slow right due to our depenedence on export markets like the US and Europe ,
[17:52] <BluesKaj> right now
[17:53] <BluesKaj> altho we didn't suffer the bank and financial institution failures like other countries
[18:16] <nikitis> How are ATI drivers for KDE?
[18:16] <nikitis> For older laptop ati cards
[18:17] <tsimpson> the drivers aren't for KDE, they are for the Linux kernel, it just depends if the driver released by ATI support your card
[18:17] <tsimpson> !ati
[18:18] <nikitis> I was just asking how well they perform?
[18:18] <nikitis> I'm trying to decide to put windows on it or not.
[18:19] <Tm_T> nikitis: should work just fine
[18:19] <tsimpson> try it out and see
[18:28] <zos> I have the following problem with my KUbuntu, Jaunty: upon booting networking doesn't work, I have to issue /etc/init.d/networking restart
[18:29] <zos> although ifconfig shows I got a proper IP address from IP provider for ppp0 interface
[18:29] <zos> this is becoming increasingly annoying
[18:30] <zos> does anyone knows what the problem might be?
[18:33] <DOOM777> sorry not me
[18:34] <mot> since upgrading to kde 4.3 (final) did anybody notice that their taskbar is white/opaque?
[18:34] <mot> as in...it's no longer a dark tinge, but a light one..is there a way to change that? it's quite ugly
[18:34] <cinex> not me mot
[18:35] <cinex> maybe you can fix it in the themes options ?
[18:35] <cinex> skin things
[18:36] <mot> where's that at?
[18:36] <nikitis> is 4.3 final out?
[18:36] <SSJ_GZ> nikitis: Nope :)
[18:36] <mot> must be a rc then
[18:37] <nikitis> rc1
[18:37] <mot> http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/3941/snapshot1l.png
[18:38] <mot> check this out..take note of the fonts of the desktop as well as the taskbar at the bottom...just randomly happened after upgrading my 4.3rc packages after reboot...any ideas?
[18:38]  * cinex checks
[18:38] <cinex> hmm gwenview downloads images now :/
[18:38] <nikitis> Why are you using all gnome programs?
[18:38] <nikitis> xchat. pidgin
[18:39] <mot> lol what?
[18:39] <mot> those are "gnome" programs? how do you figure?
[18:39] <cinex> its transparent
[18:39] <mot> i've been using those for years.
[18:39] <nikitis> They use the GTK library
[18:39] <nikitis> not the QT
[18:39] <mot> right, nonetheless
[18:39] <nikitis> GTK is gnome
[18:39] <mot> cinex, yes, i notice that...it's also not supposed to be 'clear'-looking either
[18:39] <cinex> right click desktop, go into appearance settings and change the theme
[18:39] <nikitis> Instead of pidgin, use koepote
[18:40] <mot> nah
[18:40] <cinex> does that get rid of it mot  ?
[18:40] <mot> that's quite alright. kopete is a piece of crap
[18:40] <mot> 1 sec cinex
[18:40] <nikitis> instead of xchat, use konversation
[18:40] <cinex> koepote is not nice
[18:40] <mot> no, that's quite alright
[18:40] <cinex> neithe ris konversation lol
[18:40] <mot> a lot of kde's standard apps are garbage
[18:40]  * cinex likes amsn
[18:41] <mot> same
[18:41] <mot> kopete fucks up my msn buddylist
[18:41] <cinex> what did u change the theme too ?
[18:41] <cinex> im using 'jimmy'
[18:41] <fg56xfd> Ive tried everything i can to get my Atheros wireless to work. Some times when I boot up it sees my network and all the networks all around me. But most of the time when I boot up it dont see any of them, and when i manually enter the ssid to my router it says there is no signal (even though its less than 6 inches away) Ive tried almost every guide on the ubuntu wifi page and none of them work. And most people with atheros cards report them
[18:41] <fg56xfd> working sraight out of the box. Can anyone help me get this working?
[18:41] <mot> i didn't change the theme
[18:42] <mot> brb need to reboot
[18:42] <mot> this upgrade f'ed me all up, heh.
[18:42] <cinex> mot, change the theme, it might make it coloured
[18:42] <cinex> meh
[18:42] <cinex> fg56xfd: what module are you using ?
[18:42] <fg56xfd> cinex: How can I find that out?
[18:42] <cinex> have u compiled any drivers for it ?
[18:43] <cinex> madwifi possibly
[18:43] <fg56xfd> I dont know honestly, ive tried so much I'm not even sure what its using now.
[18:43] <cinex> k, can u tell me the model of the card fg56xfd ?
[18:44] <fg56xfd> Atheros Communications Inc. AR242x
[18:44] <cinex> k
[18:44] <cinex> u could always try ndiswrapper
[18:45] <COm_BOY> hey guys can you tell me how to edit that route file in linux
[18:45] <COm_BOY> i have got duplicate route entries.. so that i am getting (DUP) ping replies
[18:45] <cinex> fg56xfd: it seems u need to compile drivers as the default ones with ubuntu are not good enough
[18:46] <COm_BOY> anyone here can tell me how to edit that route file
[18:47] <freestaff> türkçe bilen varmi aranizda?
[18:47] <fg56xfd> cinex: Ive tried a few madwifi guides, and every time it fails right at the start. It can never get the tarball from the madwifi site. And if i go to the madwifi site the downloads section is down.
[18:47] <cinex> im reading that its being replaced by athk5
[18:48] <cinex> im trying to find a list of supported hardware
[18:48] <fg56xfd> Well them im doing it all wrong.
[18:48] <fg56xfd> Lol.
[18:48] <cinex> http://madwifi-project.org/wiki/About/ath5k
[18:48] <mot> problem solved
[18:48] <cinex> ar242 isnt listed
[18:48] <cinex> what was it mot ?
[18:48] <mot> the new packages changed my theme from oxygen to air
[18:48] <mot> sorry, but air is butt-ugly
[18:48] <cinex> told ya so
[18:48] <mot> in terms of the way it half-asses skinning the taskbar and certain menus (black-cornered edges and whatnot)
[18:48] <cinex> :P
[18:49] <cinex> athk5 supports ar2424 fg56xfd
[18:49] <cinex> so i would try that one
[18:49] <cinex> remembering to blacklist the other ones
[18:49] <fg56xfd> How would I go about doing that?
[18:50] <cinex> download it, compile it, install it, blacklist and unload the ones u have now, then load it :)
[18:50] <cinex> ill find a guide
[18:50] <fg56xfd> Thank you.
[18:51] <cinex> http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-get-atheros-ar5007eg-or-ar242x-wireless-cards-may-be-other-models-working-in-ubuntu-810-intrepid-ibex.html
[18:51] <cinex> TRIED THAT ONE ?
[18:52] <FloodBotK2> cinex: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[18:52] <fg56xfd> I dont believe i have.
[18:52] <cinex> there is always ndiswrapper :/
[18:53] <cinex> method 2 was reccomended fg56xfd
[18:53] <fg56xfd> cinex: I did try that first way before, becuase i remember me downloading it and it just downloads sometihng called "download:
[18:54] <fg56xfd> I dont believe I tried method 2 though, trying now.
[18:56] <fg56xfd> Ok, i did try that one too, because I remember getting "Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "linux-backports-modules-intrepid""
[18:56] <cinex> what version of kubuntu are you on fg56xfd ?
[18:56] <kreator> wy chuje
[18:56] <fg56xfd> 9.04.
[18:56] <cinex> kde4?
[18:57] <fg56xfd> Yes.
[18:57] <fg56xfd> Ah, i was just using the wrong one.
[18:57] <fg56xfd> I can never keep up with the stupid "names" for each release.
[18:59] <fg56xfd> The guide says "Then on System/Administration/Hardware Drivers make sure Atheros driver is activated." But the onyl Atheros driver there is Madwif, and you just said that is old.
[19:01] <cinex> fg56xfd: try:- apt-cache search  linux-backports-modules-`uname -r`
[19:02] <fg56xfd> I found the package
[19:02] <fg56xfd> I just got mixed up.
[19:02] <fg56xfd> Since you said use ath5k, not madwifi, but this tutorial is for madwifi
[19:02] <cinex> its all very confusing.
[19:02] <fg56xfd> Yes, it really is.
[19:03] <cinex> as long as you know how to blacklist the ones that didn't work it should be fine really
[19:03] <fg56xfd> Im up to the step where it says enable the atheros drivers from "hardware devices"
[19:03] <cinex> then remeber what u need for when you reinstall
[19:03] <fg56xfd> And every time i click on "activate" everything grays out, and it never installs anything.
[19:04] <Peace-> cinex: http://nowardev.wordpress.com/2009/05/06/kubuntu-904-atheros-communications-inc-ar242x-80211abg-wireless-pci-express-adapter-rev-01/
[19:05] <cinex> fg56xfd: check the link Peace- just posted
[19:05] <fg56xfd> Alright.
[19:07] <fabricio_> ola
[19:07] <fabricio_> boa tarde
[19:07] <fabricio_> para todos
[19:08] <cinex> anglais?
[19:12] <fg56xfd> cinex: Ok, so using that ath_pci module, should i go unblacklist all the instances of that that i previously blacklisted?
[19:12] <cinex> no, not unless it works
[19:12] <cinex> u can modprobe a blacklisted module and it will still load
[19:12] <fg56xfd> Ok, well im going to restart and see if it works.
[19:13] <cinex> well it wont load when u reeboot
[19:13] <cinex> you'd have to: suso modprobe ath_pci
[19:13] <cinex> sudo*
[19:13] <tzanger> good afternoon... what's the menu editor called in kde 4?  it used to be kmenuedit
[19:13] <tzanger> aha it still is
[19:13] <cinex> tzanger: right click them menu and select edit
[19:13] <tzanger> the alt-f2 wasn't autocompleting it and I thought it didn't exist
[19:14] <cinex> well right click the K-button
[19:30] <fgx65fd> Ok, so I tried "modprobe ath_pci" and it said "WARNING: All config files need .conf: /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist, it will be ignored in a future release." Then i opened wicad, and it still wouldnt connect.
[19:30] <ward> hello I have a weird problem after upgrading to KDE 4.3 RC1 -> When minimize windows they don't show up in taskbar
[19:31] <ward> ALT+TAB shows me they are there
[19:31] <ward> but nothing in task bar
[19:31] <ward> *task manager
[19:31] <cinex> fg56xfd: u could try something other than wicad
[19:32] <fgx65fd> Like what?
[19:32] <cinex> network-manager-gnome
[19:32] <cinex> or the widget that comes with kde4
[19:32] <cinex> knetworkmanager might work too
[19:32] <fgx65fd> I looked for that widget, but couldnt find it.
[19:33] <fgx65fd> Ok, installing knetworkmanager
[19:33] <fgx65fd> Says i need to restart.
[19:34] <ward> anybody had this issue with taskmanager before?
[19:35] <cinex> ward, have u got a taskmanager widget on the menubar?
[19:35] <ward> yes
[19:35] <cinex> or taskbar or whatever it is called
[19:35] <ward> worked before
[19:35] <ward> but now I see this
[19:35] <ward> The following packages have been kept back:
[19:35] <ward>   kdebase-workspace kdebase-workspace-bin kdebase-workspace-data kdm linux-generic linux-headers-generic linux-image-generic linux-restricted-modules-generic
[19:35] <ward>   plasma-dataengines-workspace plasma-widgets-workspace
[19:35] <cinex> add another one, or replace it.
[19:35] <FloodBotK2> ward: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[19:36] <ward> ah dist-upgrade ;)
[19:36] <ward> installing now
[19:36] <ward> hope it works
[19:38] <fg56xfd> Whats the name of that widget for the network thing in kde4 so i can install it. I prefered it over this knetwork thing.
[19:39] <cinex> network manager
[19:44] <fg56xfd> The widget isnt there.
[19:44] <cinex> fg56xfd: u will have to look into ndiswrapper, which uses the windows drivrs
[19:45] <fg56xfd> But ive used wireless before.
[19:45] <fg56xfd> Without using that.,
[20:03] <Alonea> is the 64 bit version ok on hardware support now or should I stick with 32 bit?
[20:03] <Alonea> Daskreech: hey!
[20:08] <rubyat> Alonea: 64 ok on amd64 execpt for ati
[20:09] <Alonea> rubyat: I got worse. intel graphics card...its evil.
[20:09] <Alonea> rubyat: is it ok if its intel instead of amd?
[20:09] <rubyat> they hold latest kernel back....not sure on your gfx
[20:11] <Alonea> rubyat: last I had on my graphics card is for the os itself its ok, but anything in wine crashes, but I last tried around 4-6 months ago
[20:12] <gauz> i want to read the contents of the environemtn variable $path
[20:12] <gauz> environment*
[20:12] <gauz> how to do that ..please help?
[20:14] <Dragnslcr> gauz- where do you want to do it, in a shell?
[20:14] <gauz> yeah ..command prompt ..i wanted to check the contents
[20:14] <gauz> konsole*
[20:14] <Dragnslcr> Isn't it just echo $PATH
[20:16] <Alonea> around how much space does kubuntu require now for root? Still 10 gigs or should I up to 15 to be safe?
[20:16] <gauz> ahhhhhhh! ..case sensitive!
[20:17] <gauz> i had tried using echo $path ..nothing showed up!
[20:17] <gauz> thanks!
[20:19] <Alonea> and lastly are swap partitions necessary and its 1.5 the amount of ram you have?
[20:20] <BluesKaj> hmm, installing FF3.5 breaks thunderbird link to URLs ..well it broke mine anyway
[20:21] <rubyat> Alonea: base system takes about 3.5gb...how much ram available?
[20:23] <Daskreech> hi Alonea :-)
[20:23] <Daskreech> Alonea: caught me out to lunch
[20:24] <Daskreech> Alonea: Wine is weird for64 bit support. mostly because it's running code that you can pretty much assume is NOT 64 bit compatible
[20:26] <Daskreech> Alonea: swap partitions are only needed if you are likely to run out of RAM
[20:26] <Alonea> Daskreech: well, the video problems i had were on 32 bit
[20:27] <Alonea> rubyat: 2 gigs
[20:27] <Alonea> rubyat: its a laptop
[20:29] <rubyat> Alonea: prolly won't need swap unless doing heavy lifting
[20:29] <Alonea> rubyat: when I had it at 10 gigs when I tried to upgrade to 9.04 there wasn't space so thats why I asked.
[20:30] <Guest96795> hallo
[20:30] <Alonea> rubyat: i have root and home on separate partitions
[20:30] <Guest96795> where am I
[20:30] <Guest96795> i just tried this irc-button
[20:31] <Guest96795> ?
[20:31] <tonii> !welcome Guest96795
[20:31] <tonii> meh
[20:31] <Guest96795> error: selfdestruction
[20:32] <Guest96795> what is this
[20:32] <Guest96795> and why am I only a guest?
[20:32] <tonii> this is a help channel for Kubuntu
[20:32] <Guest96795> aah ok i see
[20:33] <Guest96795> how can i change my name or get an account?
[20:34] <mohamedanna> hi every one
[20:34] <Guest96795> hi
[20:34] <tommy_> how can i get an account?
[20:34] <tommy_> oh
[20:34] <Tommy> ha i got it
[20:36] <Hoshiman> lala
[20:38] <Hoshiman> does someone here speak german?
[20:38] <Daskreech> Alonea: make swap
[20:38] <Hoshiman> how can i get to an other cannel
[20:38] <Daskreech> Hoshiman: no would you like somewhere that speaks german ?
[20:39] <Hoshiman> yes
[20:39] <Daskreech> !de | Hoshiman
[20:48] <cjae> !nvidia
[20:51] <cjae> anyone know about nvidia 185.14 or whatever it is, I got a thing in my email about and xorg crack or something? I need separate x screens to work, does anyone know if canonical/ubuntu is going to include nvidia 185 with 9.04 jaunty?
[20:51] <cjae> about it*
[20:51] <Tm_T> cjae: not gonna happen unless there's some really heavy reason to
[20:51] <cjae> https://edge.launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/+archive/ppa
[20:52] <Tm_T> that's not for regular users
[20:52] <cjae> well windows open on wrong screens and separate x screens doesnt work at all, is that enough reason? not trying to be rude btw
[20:53] <Tm_T> cjae: are you sure that driver would fix this?
[20:53] <cjae> yes says so in release notes
[20:54] <Tm_T> hmm, you can try, but has no warranty (:
[20:54] <peter_> Hello
[20:54] <cjae> http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_ia32_185.18.14.html
[20:55] <cjae> Fixed XineramaQueryScreens to return 0 screens instead of 1 screen with the geometry of screen 0 when XineramaIsActive returns false. This conforms to the Xinerama manual page and fixes an interaction problem with Compiz when there is more than one X screen.
[21:05] <aaa_> hi!
[21:08] <Daskreech> !Hi
[21:09] <Alonea> Daskreech: ok, sorry, had lunch as well. how big is swap? 1.5 the amount of ram?
[21:09] <Daskreech> Alonea: for 2 GBs if you aren't doing heavy things .5 -1 times the size is good enough
[21:11] <Alonea> Daskreech: ok. no, all I do in linux is program and see how much drama I can create by trying to do things like compiz and wine. I sure make my life difficult
[21:12] <Alonea> Daskreech: it was odd when I could do compiz with no issues but any application in wine would crash like no tomorrow. Complete black screen, total freeze. have to hold down power button.
[21:13] <Daskreech> Alonea: What makes that odd?
[21:14] <Alonea> Daskreech: really just the fact that 3d accel works ok in os, but any applications in wine freeze that requires it...its a problem with the card/drivers. Its even bad in windows. That and I probably just don't understand whats really going wrong
[21:14] <Daskreech> Alonea: Ah yeah I know that it's annoying
[21:15] <Daskreech> Hooray I got 3D games working in Kubuntu now to play some through wine
[21:15] <Daskreech> *Mushroom cloud*
[21:15] <Alonea> lol, that would be about right
[21:15]  * Daskreech sits in a black sooty room with large blinking eyes
[21:15] <Alonea> Daskreech: I have the evil intel 965 card...
[21:15] <Daskreech> heh
[21:15] <Daskreech> The one that went crazy just before jaunty came out?
[21:16]  * DOOM777 soooooooooooooooo tired of linux
[21:16]  * Alonea cries as she is unable to raid in wow anymore due to card
[21:16] <Daskreech> DOOM777: try FreBSD :)
[21:16] <DOOM777> lol
[21:16] <DOOM777> i just had this for three days
[21:17] <Alonea> Daskreech: yeah, I remember I asked about it and they were like, we are working on it...
[21:17] <Daskreech> DOOM777: ha ha learnt all you need to learn?
[21:17] <DOOM777> it was three days of continuous configuration, installation, update, reinstallation hell
[21:17] <slow-motion> hi
[21:17] <Daskreech> DOOM777: Yeah Linux does that. Most of the time once that's done it works for years
[21:17] <Daskreech> ubuntu is trying to buck that trend >_>
[21:17] <Alonea> DOOM777: unfortunately, Linux has a learning curve. It all depends on why you want the os and what you want to do.
[21:17] <Daskreech> but pretty much the outlay is worht it
[21:18] <DOOM777> Daskreech: are you kidding me? I have no idea what most commands do, what signals are, how shells work
[21:18] <DOOM777> Alonea: i am a programmer. I must know it :'(
[21:18] <Alonea> DOOM777: same here, CS student at RIT.
[21:18] <Daskreech> DOOM777: that makes you normal
[21:18] <Daskreech> Outside of not knowing how shells work you are also a normal linux user
[21:19] <Alonea> DOOM777: it get easier and linux is your friend if you are a programmer.
[21:19] <DOOM777> Say what you want about evil windows and macintosh, but if they had as many problems, everyone would rain on them.
[21:19] <DOOM777> yea, that's also an interesting concept.
[21:19] <DOOM777> Want something to work? Write it.
[21:19] <Alonea> my only problem with windows is instability and mac treats you like you are 12 and locks you out of everythign
[21:20] <DOOM777> windows didn't have it's GUI crash  unrestorably, making me reinstall the entire damn os. TWICE.
[21:20] <Daskreech> DOOM777: Eh? :)
[21:20] <Alonea> that and the options for compiling in windows are very undesirable for me
[21:20] <DOOM777> ****ing plasma
[21:21] <Daskreech> DOOM777: ha ha you'd get mad if i told you how to fix that
[21:21] <Alonea> well, kde4 is still in the works so if you want a kde that is tried and true, go for 3.5
[21:21] <DOOM777> actually, problems went away once I installed 4.3
[21:21] <DOOM777> Daskreech: how?
[21:22] <Alonea> yes, tell me in case I run into it...going to be installing it after I burn it.
[21:23] <DOOM777> Alonea: what year are you in?
[21:24] <Alonea> DOOM777: well, with all the transfer madness I am considered year 3 by credits (its a 5 year program. 1 year of co-op)
[21:24] <DOOM777> you will get straight masters?
[21:24] <Daskreech> DOOM777: mv ~/.kde4/share/config/plasma* ~
[21:24] <DOOM777> lol, I tried that
[21:25] <Alonea> no, not doing the BS/Masters at the same time thing. I will get my masters, but not at this time. If I get a job that will pay for it, I will.
[21:25] <DOOM777> it made everything completely messed up, icons all over.
[21:25] <DOOM777> cool
[21:26] <Daskreech> DOOM777: You have to logout before you do it ;)
[21:26] <DOOM777> i did
[21:26] <DOOM777> i did through ctrl+alt+f1
[21:26] <DOOM777> tty
[21:26] <Alonea> RIT is a very good school for CS though and I have learned so much this year. CS also forces unix on you. You have to use it to turn assignments in.
[21:26] <DOOM777> yea, our university barely had any unix
[21:26] <DOOM777> except a little bit of cygwin
[21:26]  * Alonea grumbles about how evil try is
[21:26] <Alonea> *shudder* I despise cygwin
[21:27] <Alonea> we got labs with Solaris machines. the joy...
[21:27] <Daskreech> DOOM777: hmm did you try  mv ~/.kde4 ~/.kde4_bkup
[21:27] <DOOM777> no. But it doesn't matter. It works now.
[21:28] <Daskreech> Yeah
[21:28] <Alonea> be glad you did not try linux a year or so ago...the pains I had to go through for 3d accel and wireless internet...
[21:28] <Daskreech> I'm one of the unfortunate people
[21:28] <Daskreech> Yeah Wireless sucked
[21:29] <Alonea> though what was that program that set up the 3d drivers for you that worked pretty well? jade? j...gah, forgot the name
[21:29] <DOOM777> whatever, i'll go take a break
[21:29] <Alonea> I think it was a 4 letter word..
[21:29] <Alonea> breaks are good.
[21:32] <Alonea> ok, it bugs me that I forgot the name.
[21:32] <Alonea> bah, I will be back later.
[21:36] <elwood> hi
[21:37] <elwood> what about kubuntu on eeepc
[21:37] <Daskreech> !eeepc
[21:38] <elwood> Daskreech:  thankss
[21:46] <mrksbrd> i just installed a pci wifi card (intel wm3945abg) into my laptop, when i run lspci it's not listed in the rundown
[21:49] <jessica_> How do I install ati drivers for an ati XPRESS 200M (laptop card)
[21:49] <jessica_> The option didn't show up on install
[22:08] <MJack> Hey anyone know how I can enable Emerald/Compiz to be the main screen manager at startup? I used to set it up in System Settings > Advanced > Session Manager but now Session Manager only has 1 screen and is lacking options.... I'm using Kubuntu 9.04 Jaunty with 4.2.1 KDE. Thanks.
[22:15] <Daskreech> MJack: It's in default applications just choose it
[22:17] <MJack> Daskreech, I see it now... just seemed odd place after having it in the Session Manager screen. Thanks.
[22:19] <harjot> Guys how would i be able to disable the power coming out of a usb [no device name] without going into bios
[22:20] <harjot> any1?
[22:20] <harjot> Guys how would i be able to disable the power coming out of a usb [no device name] without going into bios
[22:21] <harjot> Daskreech: Guys how would i be able to disable the power coming out of a usb [no device name] without going into bios
[22:22] <harjot> No1?
[22:22] <harjot> help plz
[22:23] <harjot> just say if u dont know
[22:24] <harjot> PEOPLE WHY SO SILENT?>
[22:24] <MJack> lol... don't think everyone is activly paying attention to IRC...
[22:25] <MJack> and sorry I don't know how to disable power to a USB port.
[22:25] <Tm_T> harjot: it's night in Europe
[22:27] <harjot> Tm_T:  SO
[22:27] <harjot> MJack: thats fine as long as u said
[22:27] <harjot> any commands to diable power eaching a usb port?
[22:27] <harjot> any1?
[22:27] <harjot> all: wak up'
[22:27] <harjot> any commands to diable power eaching a usb port?
[22:27] <Tm_T> harjot: stop, that doesn't help you
[22:27] <harjot> stop what
[22:28] <Tm_T> harjot: repeating
[22:28] <MJack> harjot maybe you should do some researching on GOOGLE for tutorials ;)
[22:28] <harjot> yes ive spent the last 1 our doing that [im ONLY 12]
[22:28] <Tm_T> harjot: hmm, try asking in #ubuntu too
[22:28] <Tm_T> harjot: but remember, no repeating (:
[22:28] <harjot> y? cause theres more plls?
[22:28] <harjot> ppls
[22:29] <Tm_T> harjot: more people, yes, dunno about ppls you mention
[22:29] <MJack> harjot: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=825219
[22:29] <harjot> people is what i meant anyway ty 4 ur time and suggestions
[22:29] <MJack> theres a start
[22:30] <harjot> ty mjack
[22:30] <harjot> but ive tried that already
[22:30] <MJack> harjot it also helps when you tell us what kind of system your using ;)
[22:30] <harjot> kubuntu 8.04
[22:30] <harjot> laptop
[22:30] <harjot> 3 usb hubs
[22:31] <harjot> sudo echo suspend > sudo /sys/bus/usb/devices/1-2/power/level was the nearest [i think] i got to
[22:31] <harjot> any idea mjack?
[22:32] <MJack> Hmm....
[22:34] <MJack> harjot: nope... I don't know... good luck.
[22:35] <harjot> ok ty anyway
[22:50] <faileas> i noticed there's a firefox 3.5 package in the repositories, but it installs a load of gnome related dependancies. Is there any way to get it installed without needing to download all that? I don't see why all that is needed, when firefox 3.0 didn;t need em
[23:00] <harjot> right im back
[23:01] <harjot> how does a person turn off his usb port without using bios [i have no such option]
[23:01] <harjot> i want to be able to turn the power off and on within 8.04 kubuntu
[23:01] <harjot> any ideas
[23:01] <harjot> ?
[23:02] <harjot> I have a laptop so the usb power does go when i turn it off
[23:04] <harjot> no 1 r u all asleep?
[23:04] <harjot> Tm_T: sorry if i am repeating
[23:06] <vbgunz> I keep getting a "cannot examine encrypted directory" notice when I log into tty 1 - 6. Anyone know why? I do not want encryption anywhere on my system if I have it. how do I safely remove it?
[23:09] <marco> is there any repo for installing qt 4.5.2 or qt 4.5.1 ?
[23:09] <cjae> how do upgrade to new distribution eg. 9.04 with cli? sudo aptitude dist-upgrade?
[23:10] <xjjk> cjae: update-manager
[23:10] <cjae> I do not want to use gui xjjk
[23:10] <xjjk> cjae: dist-upgrade misses things
[23:10] <xjjk> cjae: there's a CLI version
[23:10] <xjjk> for use by servers
[23:10] <cjae> ah
[23:11] <xjjk> cjae: the package is called update-manager-core
[23:11] <xjjk> it includes a utility called do-release-upgrade
[23:11] <cjae> because I am leary of the switch from adept to kpackagekit and the policy kit
[23:12] <xjjk> yeah, this doesn't use any of those
[23:12] <xjjk> and the upgrade process (should) be identical
[23:12] <cjae> ok
[23:12] <xjjk> unlike using dist-upgrade
[23:12] <cjae> still using aptitude?
[23:12] <cjae> syntax
[23:12] <xjjk> no
[23:12] <xjjk> the help is fairly straightforward, just run the command
[23:13] <xjjk> it'll tell you what to do
[23:13] <cjae> sudo aptitude update-manager-core
[23:13] <xjjk> er, sudo aptitude install update-manager-core && sudo do-release-upgrade
[23:13] <xjjk> something along those liens
[23:13] <xjjk> lines*
[23:13] <cjae> ok
[23:14] <marco> from Kde RC1 to the final KDE 4.3, are there going to be more features?
[23:15] <xjjk> marco: no
[23:15] <xjjk> generally, anyway
[23:15] <marco> ok
[23:15] <xjjk> the idea of release candidates is to fix stability bugs
[23:15] <marco> wht does KDe 4.3Rc1 runs soo sloww
[23:16] <marco> i have a core 2 duo
[23:16] <marco> 2.5 gb ram
[23:16] <xjjk> are you using an Intel video card?
[23:16] <marco> yes
[23:16] <xjjk> yeah, I'm going to guess that's why
[23:16] <xjjk> 4.2.4 is slow for me too
[23:16] <xjjk> bearable enough for me to use, but I'm not happy
[23:16] <marco> mmm
[23:16] <marco> and what about nvidia cards?
[23:16] <marco> does KDE runs fast there?
[23:17] <xjjk> it was very, very buggy initially
[23:17] <xjjk> but yes, now it does
[23:17] <marco> ok
[23:20] <cjae> xjjk, oh btw can I do this from a terminal emulator eg. konsole or should I use tty1 a real console
[23:21] <xjjk> cjae: probably a real console, or a screen session
[23:21] <xjjk> kdm may get restarted
[23:21] <cjae> ok
[23:21] <cjae> thank you
[23:21] <xjjk> I'd probably do a screen session within a konsole
[23:29] <tmerriam_> does anyone know what 'unknown error' means when installing/updating a package?
[23:34] <goshawk> tmerriam_: go up
[23:34] <goshawk> and read mroe
[23:37] <tmerriam_> huh? was someone just talking about this? sorry, i just logged on
[23:38] <goshawk> tmerriam_: look uyp
[23:38] <goshawk> of the error
[23:51] <harjot> how do i turn off a usb port without bios?