[00:05] <NetLarIrvine> I tried to install Karmic, but it just goes to tty, is x server not ready yet?
[00:06] <NetLarIrvine> I just downloaded the iso and tried to install from dvd
[00:06] <BUGabundo> NetLarIrvine: humm prob a miss match between kernel .31 and your GPU driver not yet available
[00:07] <NetLarIrvine> bummer
[00:07] <NetLarIrvine> So no way to get into x server then?
[00:07] <ikonia> NetLarIrvine: what video card do you have ?
[00:07] <NetLarIrvine> nvidia 8200
[00:07] <NetLarIrvine> g force
[00:07] <ikonia> NetLarIrvine: you could also use the vesa driver
[00:07] <BUGabundo> NetLarIrvine: you can rsync the next DVD and it should be fixed
[00:08] <BUGabundo> or use the low resolution mode, and update for the missing modules
[00:08] <BUGabundo> they just hit the repo
[00:08] <BUGabundo> so you had just the worse luck on the DVD image
[00:09] <NetLarIrvine> how do i rsync to the DVD
[00:09] <NetLarIrvine> You mean burn a new one?
[00:10] <NetLarIrvine> BuGabundo: it does not give me the option to use low resolution mode
[00:10] <BUGabundo> NetLarIrvine: with rsync I can just download the missing packages for your iso
[00:10] <BUGabundo> BUT, yes you may need to burn a new DVD
[00:11] <BUGabundo> or put it on an USB flash pen
[00:11] <NetLarIrvine> k lost here, how can I add to the iso for the missing packages
[00:13] <NetLarIrvine> Maybe I am not ready to be helping with testing on Karmic
[00:13] <BUGabundo> a sec please
[00:13] <NetLarIrvine> I am such a NoOb
[00:14] <BUGabundo> rsync -vvhhP --stats rsync://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/dvd/current/karmic-dvd-i386.iso
[00:14] <BUGabundo> if you run this from where u have the dvd image
[00:14] <BUGabundo> it should coplete it
[00:15] <BUGabundo> but remember, DVDs are only built every 3 days
[00:15] <BUGabundo> while CDs are daily
[00:15] <NetLarIrvine> ok, let me try that
[00:18] <NetLarIrvine> Well it did something , not sure anything happened
[00:19] <BUGabundo> eheh
[00:19] <BUGabundo> nothing will
[00:19] <BUGabundo> since you should have the SAME dvd iamge
[00:19] <NetLarIrvine> It did not change the iso image?
[00:21] <BUGabundo> if it is the same NO
[00:21] <NetLarIrvine> ahh
[00:21] <NetLarIrvine> Well I just downloaded it today
[00:22] <BUGabundo> ehehe
[00:22] <BUGabundo> I said it takes 3 days
[00:23] <NetLarIrvine> For updates
[00:23] <NetLarIrvine> Ok, I get it now, sorry
[00:23] <NetLarIrvine> So for now, there is nothing I can do about installing Karmic
[00:24] <BUGabundo> humm low resolution *should* work
[00:25] <NetLarIrvine> It did not even give me the option of going into low res mode
[00:25] <BUGabundo> cwillu: ping are you here? can you help NetLarIrvine ?
[00:26] <Alpha7> can someone help me my hard drive partation is mess up and its suppose to be two partations only    heres my remote desktop access vnc://ASUS.local::5900
[00:27] <Tekno> :D
[00:27] <NetLarIrvine> Ok, well I am on the Install or Live screen, is there something I can do from here?
[00:27] <NetLarIrvine> Maybe use Safe Graphics Mode?
[00:29] <BUGabundo> maybe
[00:29] <NetLarIrvine> Trying it now, lets see
[00:38] <billybigrigger> BUGabundo::: you get your nvidia working with 2.6.31?
[00:44] <NetLarIrvine> Hey my problem too?
[00:45] <billybigrigger> and whats your problem?
[00:45] <NetLarIrvine> I am trying to get it to work in graphics safe mode
[00:45] <NetLarIrvine> I am trying just to install
[00:45] <billybigrigger> have you tried the livecd?
[00:45] <NetLarIrvine> I am using it now
[00:45] <NetLarIrvine> But installing on a seperate partition
[00:46] <instructor> Anyone else have X hangs?
[00:46] <billybigrigger> so your livecd won't install?
[00:47] <NetLarIrvine> Well went right to installing it, i am in middle of process now
[00:48] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: haven't rebooted yet
[00:49] <billybigrigger> NetLarIrvine::: so whats the problem?
[00:49] <billybigrigger> your install is working yes?
[00:50] <NetLarIrvine> Well I tried a regular install, it only went to tty
[00:50] <instructor> BUGabundo: You are the most prolific user of identi.ca ?
[00:50] <NetLarIrvine> So now I am trying to do a install in safe graphics mode
[00:50] <BUGabundo> instructor: :)
[00:51] <BUGabundo> #1
[00:51] <NetLarIrvine> BUGabundo so far so good
[00:51] <NetLarIrvine> Not sure yet if I have mess up the partitions
[00:52] <NetLarIrvine> it got hung up right in middle of the partition process, had to start over
[00:55] <NetLarIrvine> This is just an experiment box anyway, So I can just start over
[00:55] <NetLarIrvine> I just want to learn
[00:57] <BUGabundo> NetLarIrvine: eheh
[00:57] <BUGabundo> and remember to file bugs too
[00:58] <BUGabundo> instructor: you up there? ping me
[00:59] <NetLarIrvine> yes i know that
[00:59] <NetLarIrvine> I am going to try to the right things
[00:59] <instructor> BUGabundo: upwhere?
[00:59] <instructor> Yes I'm awake
[01:00] <BUGabundo> instructor: identic
[01:00] <instructor> ah right
[01:02] <instructor> BUGabundo: Pung
[01:03] <BUGabundo> LOL
[01:04]  * BUGabundo caminha
[01:30] <Zorix> Does anyone know which is tha latest working daily live cd for Kubuntu ?
[01:31] <Zorix> The installer crashes after partitioning the disk.
[01:34] <billybigrigger> hmm
[01:34] <billybigrigger> NetLarIrvine::: was having a similar problem i think during install
 it got hung up right in middle of the partition process, had to start over
[01:35] <pushrax> hi all. where does the source of the kernel sit on the dir map?
[01:36] <pushrax> I want apply a patch
[01:37] <pushrax> I want apply a patch called "net-remove-COMPAT_NET_DEV_OPS.patch"
[01:37] <pushrax> anyone?
[01:38] <Zorix> billybigrigger,  I might just try the NetInstall
[01:38] <Zorix> should be /usr/src
[01:38] <pushrax> Zorix: thx. checking now
[01:39] <Zorix> probably isnt there by default... but I havent built a kernel in Ubuntu so I dont know for sure
[01:40] <Zorix> pushrax,  Is that patch for intel NIC?
[01:40] <Zorix> It might be in the recent kernel patch that Ubuntu released either today or yesterday
[01:40] <pushrax> Zorix: not totally sure, but it said to remove obsolete networking api's
[01:42] <pushrax> I'm fairly new to this patching thingy.  I can see that I need to some how symbolic link the patch directories tot he new kernel dir
[01:43] <pushrax> Virtualbox wont work on latest kernel otherwise
[01:43] <pushrax> brb
[01:43] <Zorix> oh
[01:43] <Zorix> supposed to support 2.6.31 I read
[01:59] <billybigrigger> vbox 3.0 supports .31
[02:00] <billybigrigger> 2.2 doesn't
[02:14] <pushrax> pl thanks.  will look into upgrading to vb3
[02:14] <billybigrigger> not in repos yet
[02:15] <pushrax> k
[02:15] <billybigrigger> well you can go ahead and install it outside of repos, just don't let bugabundo know
[02:15] <billybigrigger> :P he gets offended when you install software outside of the repos :P
[02:15] <pushrax> hehee
[02:16] <billybigrigger> which makes sense though, in a dev cycle, you should test bugs for ubuntu's repos, as you won't be able to file bugs against a package that's not inside of repos i don't think, you'd have to file to vbox itself
[02:23] <billybigrigger> if gdm was built 10 hours ago how come its still being held back for me?
[02:23] <billybigrigger> gdm:
[02:23] <billybigrigger>   Installed: 2.20.10-0ubuntu5
[02:23] <billybigrigger>   Candidate: 2.26.1-0ubuntu1
[02:31] <billybigrigger> anyone having problems with the new kernel and gspca?
[02:32] <billybigrigger> webcam problems
[02:32] <billybigrigger> ?
[02:32] <billybigrigger> i know it worked yesterday and after upgrading to 2.6.31 today i get this while doing $ tail -f /var/log/syslog
[02:32] <billybigrigger> Jul  2 19:31:39 cabo kernel: [11502.374422] gspca: usb_submit_urb [0] err -28
[02:32] <billybigrigger> Jul  2 19:31:39 cabo kernel: [11502.398542] ohci_hcd 0000:00:02.0: leak ed ffff88003781f2d0 (#81) state 2
[02:32] <pushrax> I don't run cams myself.
[02:39] <RAOF> billybigrigger: Because it breaks ubunut-desktop.
[02:40] <billybigrigger> gdm?
[02:44] <RAOF> billybigrigger: yes.
[02:58] <NetLarIrvine> Well just found out one thing
[02:59] <NetLarIrvine> You cannot seem to install Karmic and have it work as a dual boot
[03:00] <NetLarIrvine> I installed Jaunty and then installed Karmic, and now only Karmic is on the Grub list
[03:03] <NetLarIrvine> Can I do bug fixes and get involved with Jaunty?
[03:08] <billybigrigger> dual booting what?
[03:08] <billybigrigger> actually it don't matter
[03:08] <billybigrigger> try this....
[03:08] <billybigrigger> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2#Dual-booting
[03:09] <billybigrigger> $ sudo apt-get install --reinstall libdebian-installer4
[03:09] <billybigrigger> $ sudo os-prober
[03:09] <billybigrigger> $ sudo update-grub
[03:09] <NetLarIrvine> Well I was thinking of just doing it in vm now
[03:10] <NetLarIrvine> like virtual box
[03:11] <NetLarIrvine> That way, if it goes wrong, I would just reinstall on the vm
[03:14] <billybigrigger> ya i tried that
[03:14] <billybigrigger> i barely use the vm anymore
[03:14] <NetLarIrvine> why not
[03:14] <billybigrigger> i find it easier to test things on the machine i use constantly
[03:14] <NetLarIrvine> ahhh
[03:14] <billybigrigger> well i dont run irc, empathy, music player/video player in the vm
[03:15] <billybigrigger> no point of running a development release if you never use it to find bugs :P
[03:15] <NetLarIrvine> Yea but I could put Karmic on there to do testing only
[03:15] <NetLarIrvine> oh ok, I see your point
[03:15] <billybigrigger> i use it if there's a known show stopping bug
[03:15] <NetLarIrvine> But there are still bugs in Jaunty to work out too right?
[03:16] <billybigrigger> and i'll upgrade the vm and get it sorted before i upgrade my host
[06:23] <alkisg> Hi, I'm just trying to update karmic and I'm getting "the following packages will be removed: fast-user-switch-applet ubuntu-desktop". I guess I shouldn't update, right?
[06:24] <alkisg> (it also says that some other packages, like the kernel and the nvidia drivers, will be updated)
[06:32] <cprxmm7> Where is OpenOffice installed by default?
[06:34] <SwedeMike> dpkg -L openoffice.org-core
[06:43] <papul> if i upgrade to karmic through update manager can i degrade?
[06:46] <SwedeMike> no.
[06:46] <papul> ok
[06:57] <alkisg> Appareantly, updating gdm also uninstalls ubuntu-desktop and fast-user-switch-applet.
[06:58] <alkisg> Did the usplash just went away in the latest Karmic update?
[07:36] <DanaG> oh yeah, still no keycode>255 support on the xinput2 PPA.
[08:07] <scream> I downloaded the alpha2 desktop cd and it boots up a "boot:" prompt.
[08:07] <scream> o.O
[08:42] <bushwakko> root@workwakko:~# /etc/init.d/kdm-kde4 start
[08:42] <bushwakko> Starting K Display Manager: kdm-kde4start-stop-daemon: stat /usr/lib/kde4/bin/kdm: No such file or directory (No such file or directory)
[08:42] <bushwakko> anyone know how to fix this?
[08:50] <Zorael> bushwakko: Um, since Hardy (I think) kdm-kde4 *replaced* kdm, so the proper call should be /etc/init.d/kdm start, which should in turn start /usr/bin/kdm
[08:52] <bushwakko> ok
[08:52] <bushwakko> so kdm-kde4 should be deleted?
[08:52] <bushwakko> but kdm doesn't seem to be able to start kde4
[08:52] <melvin_> Hi. I'm using Karmic. for me its impossible to resume to gnome session. The gnome-screensaver doesn't accept my password. I tryed it several times. the only way back in is to kill the screensaver. any ideas?
[08:52] <bushwakko> I have to sudo -s and do startx
[08:53] <Zorael> bushwakko: well, I'd try to reinstall kdm and see what happens. That's the iffy thing with upgrading, things get superseded and you're stuck with the old stuff
[08:53] <Zorael> bushwakko: sudo aptitude reinstall kdm
[09:55] <bushwakko> how do I get ps to linewrap btw?
[10:49] <Hew> Any news on when firefox-3.5 becomes default for Karmic?
[10:49] <jadez03> I vote for that.
[10:50] <jadez03> Encourage webdesigners to use the new open media standards
[10:50] <jadez03> :D
[11:31] <DanaG> heh, best motherboard name ever:
[11:31] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/346505
[11:32] <DanaG> yeah... that's the DMI data in that tag.
[11:33] <yofel_> bad QA department o.O
[11:39] <dupondje> still no nouveau driver for 2.6.31 ?
[12:26] <DanaG> bug 240553
[12:26] <DanaG> Nobody seems to have noticed that this is also a SECURITY FLAW.
[12:26] <DanaG> ... just like having a world-readable keylogger.
[12:28] <jadez03> explain
[12:30] <DanaG> evbug spews lots of lines giving every keycode you press.
[12:30] <jadez03> :O
[12:30] <DanaG> Check your own dmesg to see if you have "evbug" lines.
[12:31] <DanaG> Basically, it's a keycode debugger thingy... but should never be automatically loaded.  Ever.
[12:31] <DanaG> Oh, and i915 is randomly loading, even though I don't have any such hardware.
[12:38] <DanaG> argh, 2.6.31 kernel removed find_task_by_vpid symbol that fglrx needs.
[12:38] <DanaG> and xinput2 PPA has missing symbol DPMSEnabledSwitch
[12:43] <BluesKaj> 'morning
[12:45] <TheFuzzball> How do I get fglrx working in 9.10?
[12:49] <DanaG> goddamn Intel driver keeps randomly loading, and getting in the way of fglrx!
[12:50] <DanaG> I don't HAVE an Intel video chip!
[12:58] <DanaG> wow... apparently my Karmic was 32-bit... and I thought it was a 64-bit partition.
[12:58] <DanaG> Damn.
[12:58] <DanaG> I must've used the wrong CD.
[12:59] <bushwakko> My screen is wrongly recognized with the 2.6.31 kernel, I now get wrong native res and the max res is 1280x1024 while it should be 1600x1200
[13:06] <bushwakko> Zorael: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/394492 <-- seems to be related to this
[13:06] <bushwakko> Zorael: sorry, that was't specifically for you
[13:11] <bushwakko> anyone know if there is a kernel-build with this patched available somewhere?
[13:15] <DanaG> bushwakko: same thing happened for me on an Intel chip: used a mode that the monitor can't handle, though.
[13:15] <DanaG> oh, and separate issue: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub/+bug/268863
[13:37] <oldude67> after doing a partial upgrade it asks if you want to keep or remove certain packages is it ok to keep them?
[13:39] <oldude67> cause it is asking for a reboot and i fear i may have fubar'd the system... :0/o
[13:43] <JMFTheVCI> does anyone know where the equivalent of /usr/sbin/gsmsetup has gone to in Karmic?
[13:43] <JMFTheVCI> /usr/sbin/gdmsetup (sorry)
[13:46] <oldude67> great no fubar...yeah..:D
[13:48] <robin0800> can't enable desktop effects now after todays updates
[13:49] <oldude67> running intel celeron 2.4 with intel board and desktop effects still able to use after todays updates keeping old files.
[13:49] <oldude67> just to let everyone know..
[13:50] <robin0800> oldude67: think partial update removed gdm not realy sure why
[13:51] <oldude67> yes it did, and killed splash screen
[13:51] <oldude67> went back to oxygen
[13:53] <oldude67> as far as desktop effects, i still have them running like explosion and such.
[13:56] <Le-Chuck_ITA> Heya all
[13:57] <Le-Chuck_ITA> In karmic, whenever I log in, the panels do not appear, instead I see the disk spinning indefinitely; if I "killall gnome-panel" then it is restarted correctly and the disk spinning stops. Did this happen to some of you?
[14:03] <JMFTheVCI> Where has gdmsetup gone to in Karmic? It was part of GDM. I have just had a load of updates and it has given me a very annoing login window where I have to select myself and then complains about the gdm-simple-greeter.
[14:04] <oldude67> yup thats 3 of us now.
[14:05] <JMFTheVCI> olddude67: does that mean that gdm is screwed for the timebeing?
[14:06] <oldude67> well not sure if it is for everyone, but atleast a few of us it is.
[14:07]  * maxb says "me too" on the gdm-simple-greeter session spurious popup
[14:07] <JMFTheVCI> bother!
[14:07] <oldude67> had more updates to add but update mangager is being stupid.
[14:07] <JMFTheVCI> do you guys have gdmsetup (normally in /usr/sbin ?
[14:07] <oldude67> ya mine is as simple as it comes...
[14:07] <maxb> gdmsetup has gone away upstream, and they haven't written a replacement yet
[14:07] <Le-Chuck_ITA> JMFTheVCI: I have it
[14:07] <Le-Chuck_ITA> ah
[14:08] <Le-Chuck_ITA> ok
[14:17] <JMFTheVCI> so are we stuck with this annoying login window instead of the nice one? Is there a way to change the login window without gdmsetup?
[14:21] <Le-Chuck_ITA> JMFTheVCI: you could try installing gdmsetup from jaunty
[14:24] <JMFTheVCI> I'll give it a go.
[14:27] <JMFTheVCI> Nope. Says it can't communicate with Gnome Display Manager.
[15:13] <BluesKaj> hmm, FF3.5 installs as a seperate browser ..doesn't see any of the settings, bookmarks or extns on FF3.0
[15:20] <yofel> BluesKaj: it should copy the profile of 3.0 into a seperate folder for 3.5 afaik - check the contents of .mozilla/
[15:20] <BluesKaj> yofel, it's located in /usr/share/app-install/desktop/firefox-3.5.desktop
[15:21] <BluesKaj> so it's not installed
[15:21] <debfx> when will firefox 3.5 be branded as firefox (instead of shiretoko)?
[15:22] <yofel> BluesKaj: what has the .desktop file of 3.5 to do with the profile?
[15:23] <elky> debfx, when it's actually released, rather than in alpha/beta/whatever
[15:24] <BluesKaj> yofel, that's what Im asking , kind of strange to me
[15:24] <debfx> elky: huh, it's already released
[15:24] <BluesKaj> I think it might have imported my profile finally ..not sure
[15:25] <debfx> and the version in ubuntu is already at 3.5 final but still has the development branding
[15:25] <yofel> BluesKaj: shiroteko should copy the 3.0 profile from ~/.mozilla/firefox to ~/.mozilla/firefox-3.5 on first start so that you can use 3.0 without getting your profile messed up by 3.5
[15:26] <BluesKaj> when i lauch from the panel I'm srill getting the old FF3.0
[15:26] <yofel> ok, that shouldn't happen o.O
[15:27] <yofel> hm, when I launch shiroteko here I get 3.5 and not 3.0
[15:27] <BluesKaj> and from the kicker menu as well
[15:28] <BluesKaj> I see the settings have transferred to 3.5 now , but 3.5 isn't located in the kicker menu ..guess i have to move it and get rid of 3.0
[15:30] <yofel> BluesKaj: here the launcher for 3.5 is called 'Shiroteko Web Browser' and not firefox-3.5
[15:31] <BluesKaj> it finally shows up as 'Shiroteko Web Browser' in the kicker
[15:33] <solarion> is anyone else having pain today?
[15:33] <BluesKaj> in the cli : sudo update-alternatives --config x-www-browser  shows it as firefox - /usr/bin/firefox-3.5
[15:34] <solarion> e.g. getting kicked out of the session randomly, and gdm problems?
[15:34] <BluesKaj> solarion, yeah, plasma keeps crasshing and recovering every 10 mins or so here
[15:35] <yofel> I don't get kicked out at all
[15:35] <solarion> :(
[15:35] <solarion> I can't find any errors anywhere to figure out what's breaking
[15:36] <yofel> solarion: Xorg.0.log/
[15:36] <solarion> yofel: is of no help
[15:36] <yofel> :(
[15:36] <solarion> besides, it'd be /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old, because X restarts
[15:38] <charlie-tca> Haven't done todays updates yet here
[15:39] <charlie-tca> ~/.xsession-errors log got anything?
[15:41] <solarion> looks like stuff freaking out that X disappeared
[15:41] <solarion> XIO:  fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) on X server ":0.0" after 18852 requests (18851 known processed) with 0 events remaining.
[15:42] <solarion> that's the first X-related message
[15:43] <charlie-tca> hmmm, seems like 18000 requests should be running out of memory maybe?
[15:43] <charlie-tca> Are you sure X is starting at all?
[15:44] <solarion> Is what I'm using to talk to you right now, so yes. :)
[15:44] <charlie-tca> oh :-)
[15:45] <solarion> is perhaps DPMS-related
[15:58] <solarion> hmm, there's a drm update; perhaps that'll fix it
[16:32] <derekS> hey guys. i am not sure how to describe my issue for a bug ticket. Not sure if its reported or not. Basically, my soundcard makes my system make this loud "click" everytime I open an application thats using sound, or close one. This is using most up-to-date karmic. Has anyone seen this before? Can anyone help me put it in more technical terms :)
[16:34] <mbeierl> quick q: anyone know if kerberos support for cifs is going into karmic?
[16:35] <BluesKaj> derekS, open systemsettings/notifications/player settings tab, choose "no audio output"
[16:39] <derekS> BluesKaj: "systemsettings"? in gnome?
[16:47] <BluesKaj> derek well this is kubuntu , maybe the ppl at #ubuntu can help you , gnome settings are different than kde
[16:52] <BluesKaj> derekS, see the post above
[16:52] <derekS> BluesKaj: this is ubuntu+1 :)
[16:52] <Tekno> :D:D
[16:52] <BluesKaj> oops sry , can't keep track of my chats :)
[16:53]  * BluesKaj backs off  and has lunch
[16:55] <Daskreech> :-D
[16:57] <mariuz> anyone with mysql issues ? trying to overwrite `/usr/sbin/mysqld', which is also in package mysql-server-core-5.1
[17:19] <holzmodem> hi, could someone confirm that karmic does not load a custom DSDT thru initramfs?
[17:24] <EagleScreen> hi
[17:24] <EagleScreen> i am probing karmic with KDE
[17:25] <EagleScreen> my user is not in sudoers so i canot use sudo or kdesudo
[17:30] <JMFTheVCI> exit
[17:30] <penguin42> Is there any investigation as tot the gtk+ problem in current Karmic?
[17:34] <holzmodem> could someone confirm that karmic does not load custom DSDT.aml ?
[17:46] <scream> The alpha2 iso does not boot on my virtual, or a physical machine.  It goes to the boot: prompt
[17:48] <charlie-tca> scream: try the latest daily image, then.
[17:48] <charlie-tca> !daily
[18:50] <BUGabundo> hey
[18:50] <BUGabundo> any one has two volume applets?
[18:55] <penguin42> BUGabundo: Nope, just the one
[18:55] <BUGabundo> strange
[18:55] <BUGabundo> I have the old and the new one
[18:55] <BUGabundo> darn
[18:55] <penguin42> I'm about a week or so behind though; because of the gtk+2 bug I've had to roll it back to 2.17.0 and it's stopping anything else from upgrading
[18:57] <BUGabundo> ahhhh
[18:57] <penguin42> it's a bit of a pita bug
[19:22] <derekS> I found a weird issue that when I try to play movies with totem-gstreamer, the colors are messed up. i looked on launchpad, saw no bugs, anyone else notice it?
[19:24] <BUGabundo> derekS: nvidia?
[19:24] <derekS> BUGabundo: ya
[19:24] <BUGabundo> its HUE set to -1000
[19:24] <derekS> BUGabundo: how do i know/
[19:24] <BUGabundo> start nvidia and set HUE to 0
[19:25] <BUGabundo> derekS:  I have the same bug on every movie I start
[19:25] <BUGabundo> not sure if it is reported
[19:25] <derekS> BUGabundo: nvidia-settings?
[19:25] <BUGabundo> but if it isn't I'll do it! I'm very low on my bug quote this cycle :)
[19:25] <BUGabundo> cwillu: do you have a bug for this?
[19:25] <BUGabundo> derekS: yes
[19:26] <derekS> BUGabundo: do you use twinview or xinerama?
[19:26] <BUGabundo> err
[19:26] <BUGabundo> I don't know! LOL have to check
[19:27] <BUGabundo> I'm now on single mon
[19:27] <derekS> BUGabundo: where are the hue settings? i can't find it :)
[19:27] <derekS> nm found it
[19:27] <derekS> :)
[19:27] <BUGabundo> xserver xvideo settings
[19:27] <derekS> yeah found it
[19:29] <derekS> BUGabundo: that worked
[19:29] <derekS> weird
[19:30] <BUGabundo> derekS: only prob: you need to do that EVERY time you start a video
[19:30] <BUGabundo> :((((
[19:30] <derekS> HAHA
[19:31] <BUGabundo> let me file that
[19:35]  * BUGabundo does $ ubuntu-bug nvidia-glx-180
[19:41] <BluesKaj> now that FF3.5 is my default browser any tips on getting it to link to the web from thunderbird , there's no "network.protocol-handler.app.http" default in about:config in thunderbird edit/prefernces.
[19:41] <BUGabundo> BluesKaj: what does alternatives say?
[19:42] <BluesKaj> im thru with fooling around with kmail's quirks
[19:42] <BUGabundo> ahh
[19:42] <BUGabundo> kmail?
[19:42] <BUGabundo> then you need systemsettings
[19:42] <BluesKaj> I'm not going with kmail
[19:43] <BluesKaj> i need to edit thunderbird , but the latest version doesn't seem to have a default brwser setting
[19:44] <penguin42> I think this is a systemwide-ism for default browser that's doing it
[19:44] <penguin42> (Is anyone else finding the 3.5 a bit sluggish compared with 3.0 on URL entry and lookup of the history?)
[19:44] <BluesKaj> the global settings aren't working in thunderbird penguin42
[19:45] <penguin42> oh, unfortunate
[19:45] <BluesKaj> yeah, it's not as fast as I thought it should be
[19:47] <BUGabundo> trying a crazy thing: NM trunk 0.8 alpha woot. if I crash and burn, blame @asac
[19:47] <BluesKaj> BUGabundo, what can alternatives do for my prob ?
[19:48] <BUGabundo> BluesKaj: ask on #ubuntu-mozillateam
[19:48] <BUGabundo> penguin42: that's galternatives
[19:48] <BUGabundo> BluesKaj: what does alternatives say?
[19:49] <BluesKaj> I have the alternitives gui up , but i don't see any firefox or thunderbird options
[19:50] <BluesKaj> bbiab , gotta check the postbox
[19:50] <BUGabundo> BluesKaj: Duh!! x-www
[19:57] <rleeds> Anyone else have a problem with their usb mouse going idle and being disabled really quickly?
[19:58] <BUGabundo> nope
[19:59] <rleeds> Hmm
[19:59] <penguin42> not had that; I do seem to have gained a problem with a keyboard (PS/2 on a USB converter) not starting up at power on - I have to unplug it and plug it back in
[19:59] <rleeds> Where should I start looking for the cause of this mouse problem? Is there some acpi thing that might be aggresively powering down my usb devices?
[20:00] <penguin42> rleeds: Do you see any messages in dmesg when it goes?
[20:00] <rleeds> penguin42, nope
[20:00] <BluesKaj> BUGabundo,alternatives x-www browser = /usr/bin/firefox3.5
[20:01] <penguin42> rleeds: Does it still show up in lsusb ?
[20:01] <BUGabundo> BluesKaj: something like that! I just use galternatives
[20:01] <rleeds> penguin42, simpling running lsusb wakes it up again.
[20:01] <rleeds> so yes
[20:02] <penguin42> wacky
[20:02] <rleeds> yes..it is. It's approximately 3 seconds after I stop moving it until the light goes off and I need to click in order for it to come alive again. Running lsusb does the trick.
[20:03] <rleeds> I wonder if it's a hardware problem with my mouse?
[20:03] <penguin42> it could be - what type is it?
[20:03] <rleeds> basic logitech wheel mouse
[20:03] <penguin42> odd, what else you got plugged in to the USB port?
[20:04] <BluesKaj> BUGabundo, what's the option for email app default in alternatives ?
[20:04] <rleeds> a hub with attached sound card and a keyboard...I'l try unplugging them
[20:04] <penguin42> rleeds: Is it a powered hub?
[20:04] <rleeds> penguin42, it has a power plug, but I don't use it powered
[20:04] <rleeds> the mouse is plugged in directly
[20:05] <rleeds> huh...plugging it into the hub fixes the problem
[20:05] <penguin42> I wonder if it doesn't have a great idea about the amount of power avilable
[20:05] <rleeds> penguin42, actually...unplugging it and plugging it back into the laptop directly fixed it too.
[20:05] <BUGabundo> BluesKaj: I don't understand the question
[20:06] <rleeds> penguin42, heh...oh well. I guess I have no problem.
[20:06] <rleeds> next question...did gdmsetup disappear?
[20:06] <BUGabundo> dinner and a reboot
[20:06] <BUGabundo> bbl
[20:06] <BUGabundo> I hop
[20:07] <BluesKaj> BUGabundo, the email alternative
[20:12] <billybigrigger> hey all
[20:14] <casinaroyale> My sound behaves absolutely weirdly in Karmic
[20:14] <casinaroyale> I run pulseaudio
[20:14] <penguin42> define weirdly
[20:15] <casinaroyale> if I reduce the volume, it seems to increase
[20:15] <penguin42> oh - that is weird
[20:15] <casinaroyale> if I reduce the volume below half, I get static
[20:15] <penguin42> If I mute I get static
[20:15] <casinaroyale> Rhythmbox plays for a while, and suddenly starts giving static
[20:15] <casinaroyale> ya, its really weird
[20:16] <penguin42> I've seen that one before (in Jaunty)
[20:16] <casinaroyale> There was a tutorial in ubuntu forums to configure pulseaudio in Jaunty. I had followed that and configured it.
[20:17] <casinaroyale> It seems to crash completely unpredictably
[20:18] <penguin42> casinaroyale: There seems to be a whole bunch of sound issues that are causing lots of people problems - it's why I gave up on Jaunty - although Karmic gives me much more of a mix of problems :-)
[20:18] <casinaroyale> penguin42: You gave up Jaunty for Karmic?
[20:18] <penguin42> yes
[20:19] <casinaroyale> Me too. Doesnt seem to improve the things anyway :)
[20:19] <penguin42> no :-(
[20:19] <penguin42> I know there is alot of work going on trying to nail the audio issues though - in the mean time it's a bit of a PITA
[20:20] <casinaroyale> whats PITA?
[20:20] <penguin42> Pain-In-The-A....
[20:20] <casinaroyale> haha
[20:21] <casinaroyale> BTW Is there anyway, we can report these issues, with a trace or something?
[20:21] <penguin42> casinaroyale: One thing that helped me was to change the default-sample-rate in /etc/pulse/daemon.conf to 48000 rather than 44100 (I think my card prefers 48k) - don't know if it would help you
[20:22] <casinaroyale> penguin42: Were you randomly tweaking around?
[20:22] <penguin42> casinaroyale: If you think it's appropriate then bug 345627 might be relavent
[20:23] <penguin42> but there are a bunch of similar bugs - and I don't believe that's a fix
[20:24] <casinaroyale> penguin42: Is your clock also behaving weirdly?
[20:25] <penguin42> not that I've noticed - but I have had a couple of weird cases where the machine screen blanked (came back when I hit space) - which made me wonder if there was a time problem - what you seeing ?
[20:25] <casinaroyale> My time changes to some random some time, everytime I boot
[20:25] <casinaroyale> Even if I set it to the right time
[20:25] <penguin42> oh that's wacky
[20:26] <casinaroyale> ubuntu has become PITA lately
[20:26] <casinaroyale> especially with Karmic
[20:26] <casinaroyale> :P
[20:26] <penguin42> well Karmic is very early - it's meant to be buggy!
[20:27] <penguin42> although tbh I wouldn't mind a release which is almost entirely bug fixes
[20:27] <billybigrigger> anyone here using a webcam? with the new 2.6.31 kernel?
[20:29] <ubuntu> I've been trying to install the July 2nd nightly build of Kubuntu, but, i'm getting errors in /usr/share/ubiquity/install.py after formatting takes place. Anyone else seen this?
[20:29] <billybigrigger> yes
[20:29] <billybigrigger> lots of people
[20:29] <casinaroyale> penguin42: Looks like the time problem is solved by an update today :)
[20:29] <ubuntu> is there a fix?
[20:29] <penguin42> cool
[20:31] <casinaroyale> How to be an official tester for Karmic?
[20:31] <Daskreech> casinaroyale: Install it
[20:31] <enix> or is there an ongoing discussion with regard to the kubuntu installer issue?
[20:32] <casinaroyale> Daskreech: Installed it. Now what?
[20:32] <Daskreech> test
[20:32] <Daskreech> then  make the testing official :)
[20:32] <casinaroyale> Daskreech: I have been facing a lot of problems with it. I would love to be able to report
[20:32] <casinaroyale> How to make testing official?
[20:33] <Daskreech> !bugs
[20:35] <Le-Chuck_ITA> Hey, who said the new gdm is ugly! It's wonderful!
[20:35] <casinaroyale> Daskreech:  Do I have to register at launchpad for that?
[20:35] <Daskreech> casinaroyale: yessir
[20:35] <Daskreech> or mam >_>
[20:35] <casinaroyale> :)
[20:46] <billybigrigger> boogoboondoooo!!!
[20:47] <BUGabundo> bailybrgigorrr
[20:47] <BUGabundo> can't report the nvidia bug :((
[20:47] <BUGabundo> apport fails to send to LP
[20:47] <penguin42> why?
[20:47] <billybigrigger> i've been having problems trying to file a a bug against .31
[20:48] <BUGabundo> penguin42: refuses to open Firefox
[20:48] <billybigrigger> BUGabundo::: what kernel?
[20:48] <penguin42> BUGabundo: Disagreement with ff3.5?
[20:49] <billybigrigger> and whats your prob again? im rockin pretty solid over here with 185.18.14 and the new 2.6.31 kernel
[20:49] <BUGabundo> -31
[20:49] <BUGabundo> penguin42: 3.6
[20:49] <billybigrigger> 2.6.31-1-generic???
[20:49] <billybigrigger> x86_64???
[20:49] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: videos have HUE at -1000
[20:49] <BUGabundo> 64bits
[20:49] <billybigrigger> oh ya THAT bug
[20:49] <billybigrigger> :P PITA
[20:50] <BUGabundo> is it on lp?
[20:50] <billybigrigger> well if i look in nvidia xserver settings my hue is at 0
[20:50] <billybigrigger> but in vlc its -1000
[20:50] <billybigrigger> no, im getting it too, i thought you were having problems compiling nvidia with the new kernel
[20:50] <BUGabundo> at least 4 ppl reported it here
[20:51] <billybigrigger> ya i've seen a few peeps
[20:51] <BUGabundo> damn slow network
[20:51] <billybigrigger> same with the daily kubuntu builds not getting past partitioning on installs
[20:51] <BUGabundo> guess I'll have to use my 3G dongle
[20:51] <billybigrigger> i don't think anyone's reported that one yet
[20:51] <BUGabundo> uploading at 1k
[20:51] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: ahahah better let a friend know! he was going to install it tonight
[20:52] <penguin42> Had a really wacky X crash last week - whole screen collapsed in a set of flashing horizontal blocks
[20:52] <billybigrigger> A2 cd/dvd's are good afiak
[20:52] <billybigrigger> aren't they?
[20:52] <billybigrigger> just upgrade from them, no need to get the daily
[20:52] <billybigrigger> penguin42::: too much acid it sounds like
[20:53] <penguin42> billybigrigger: Yeh
[20:53] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: but dailies are soooo guud
[20:53] <BUGabundo> heh
[20:53] <billybigrigger> i can honestly say i've never tried a daily
[20:54] <oldude67> how do i switch from gdm to kdm now that gdm is hosed?
[20:54] <casinaroyale> Ubuntu has not updated the name of a city (Kolkata). It still appears to have the old name(Calcutta) in my clock
[20:54] <BUGabundo> ahaha
[20:54] <penguin42> is there anyway I can persuade apt to upgrade some packages even though there is a broken package installed without removing it?
[20:54] <BUGabundo> I tried way too many
[20:55] <BUGabundo> even this laptop was installed 14 months ago with 8.04 daily
[20:55] <BUGabundo> oldude67: it is ??
[20:55] <BUGabundo> oldude67: $ sudo dpkg--reconfigure kdm
[20:55] <oldude67> mine is after todays update
[20:55] <BUGabundo> oldude67: $ sudo dpkg --reconfigure kdm
[20:55] <BUGabundo> mine is working
[20:55] <oldude67> ty
[20:55] <BUGabundo> just loggein twice
[20:55] <BUGabundo> penguin42: what does aptitude say?
[20:56] <billybigrigger> gdm is g2g here
[20:56] <BUGabundo> and yes, --force
[20:58] <penguin42> BUGabundo: It tells me that gitk and libgtk2.0-bin are broken; I know that and accept that but it means I can't update anything else
[20:59] <BUGabundo> penguin42: aptitude will NOT break your system
[20:59] <BUGabundo> unlike UM
[20:59] <BUGabundo> or synaptic
[20:59] <penguin42> BUGabundo: My problem is I don't want it to fix gitk or libgtk2.0-bin either
[20:59] <oldude67> ah new update hosed my libpannel-applet. configuring it now see if it will work/
[21:01] <BUGabundo> nvidia apport report upload at 2%
[21:01] <BUGabundo> woot
[21:03] <SeveredCross> Argh.
[21:03] <SeveredCross> I wonder if anyone's filed a 100papercuts bug about requiring a password to unmount CD's in Karmic.
[21:03] <SeveredCross> Fucking DeviceKti.
[21:04] <penguin42> BUGabundo: My problem is that the gitk package is broken - so I forced it (and it works) - I don't want it to unstall it; and the gtk2 packages crash stuff, so I put the older versions in - but that brakes some dependencies
[21:04] <BUGabundo> !language SeveredCross
[21:04] <BUGabundo> !language | SeveredCross
[21:04] <penguin42> SeveredCross: DeviceKit was working well for me a couple of weeks ago
[21:04] <BUGabundo> penguin42: why not use ALL at current version?
[21:04] <SeveredCross> penguin42: It's required me to enter my password to unmount CD's since day one. :|
[21:04] <BUGabundo> don't see anyone else complainng
[21:05] <penguin42> BUGabundo: Because the current versions are broken
[21:05] <BUGabundo> SeveredCross: yeah lots of bugs with devicekit
[21:05] <BUGabundo> SeveredCross: cd, usb devices, even CPU scalling
[21:05] <BUGabundo> penguin42: for whom?
[21:05] <penguin42> devicekit disks was doing wonderful things ~2 weeks ago - it was letting me mount my crypt directory through the gui for the first time
[21:05] <penguin42> BUGabundo: See bug 391398
[21:06] <SeveredCross> All that stuff works fine, but unmount disks doesn't.
[21:06] <SeveredCross> I'm considering hotkeying running eject and making eject suid root so I don't need to run it w/ sudo.
[21:08] <penguin42> BUGabundo: Can you tell me what version of libgtk2.0-0 you have? Are you running 64bit or 32?
[21:09] <BUGabundo> 64 bits
[21:09] <BUGabundo> !info libgtk2.0-0
[21:09] <BUGabundo> penguin42:   Installed: 2.17.2-0ubuntu2
[21:09] <penguin42> ok, thanks
[21:10] <penguin42> yeh that's the one that caused me problems - I suspect it only does it for some depending on some other piece of config - but as you can see there are quite a few people hitting that
[21:11] <BUGabundo> !schedule
[21:13] <BUGabundo> can you guys confirm Kubuntu instaler broken ??
[21:13] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: ^^^^^^^^^
[21:14] <billybigrigger> i can't
[21:14] <billybigrigger> there's been lots of problems
[21:14]  * penguin42 hasn't tried a fresh install
[21:14] <billybigrigger> just going by word of mouth
[21:15]  * BUGabundo joins penguin42, with a 18 old alpha install
[21:16] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: no LP bug?
[21:16] <billybigrigger> i don't think anyones filed it, no
[21:23] <ubuntu> i can confirm the kubuntu installer is broker
[21:23] <ubuntu> broken
[21:29] <BUGabundo> ok ubuntulog
[21:29] <BUGabundo> he left
[21:39] <billybigrigger> haha
[21:39] <billybigrigger> see
[21:39] <billybigrigger> i've seen lots of people complain about it, no one reports it though
[21:41] <BUGabundo> yeah
[21:41] <BUGabundo> I'll let my friend crash and burn
[21:41] <oldude67> seen lots of people complain about what?
[21:41] <BUGabundo> he uses Mac
[21:41] <BUGabundo> btw any idea what to do with grub to install k/ubuntu on external usb disc on Mac???
[21:43] <oldude67> ok dumb question why did the update today get rid of my gnome desktop all together i had to reinstall it.
[21:44] <BUGabundo> oldude67: how did you upgrade?
[21:44] <oldude67> bugabundo sudo apt-get update
[21:45] <BUGabundo> oldude67: that only refreshs apt DB
[21:45] <BUGabundo> dist-upgrade is the one you need
[21:45] <BUGabundo> better yet; Update-manager
[21:45] <BUGabundo> or aptitude
[21:46] <BUGabundo> oldude67: please pastebin apt logs
[21:46] <BUGabundo> or is it dpkg? I never know
[21:46] <oldude67> so i should of used sudo aptitude Update-manager?
[21:46] <BUGabundo> NO
[21:46] <oldude67> ok
[21:47] <BUGabundo> System->administration->Update Manager
[21:47] <BUGabundo> OR
[21:47] <BUGabundo> $ sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitute safe-upgrade
[21:47] <oldude67> ah ok , well that will keep me from fubarring it again..ty
[21:48] <lwells> Guess cant download karmic right now?
[21:48] <oldude67> get out handy dandy dumb things not to do again notebook and right this down..ugh:(
[21:49] <guntbert> lwells: why not?
[21:49] <lwells> i tried the link to it, not working right now
[21:49] <BUGabundo> lwells: why?
[21:49] <BUGabundo> oldude67: ppl have to learn some how
[21:49] <lwells> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/karmic/alpha1#Download%20Alpha%201
[21:49] <BUGabundo> but that should nt hava happened
[21:50] <guntbert> lwells: then try the torrent or try a different mirror
[21:50] <BUGabundo> !daily | lwells
[21:50] <oldude67> well im not like real new to linux but hey just trying to learn anyways..
[21:51] <lwells> thanks
[21:51] <oldude67> the update when doing sudo apt-get update said there was like 301 packages to remove
[21:51] <oldude67> but i didnt delete them
[21:51] <BUGabundo> very very strange!!
[21:51] <BUGabundo> that would only happen in case of extreme depency breakage
[21:51] <oldude67> i think it was all of my gnome settings.
[21:51] <BUGabundo> oldude67: kubutnu ?
[21:51] <oldude67> yeah
[21:52] <BUGabundo> ahhhhhhhhhhh
[21:52] <BUGabundo> then yes!
[21:52] <BUGabundo> it COULD happen
[21:52] <BUGabundo> lots of changes in basic libs
[21:52] <BUGabundo> on UM DON'T do particial upgrade
[21:52] <BUGabundo> nor force it on apt or synaptic
[21:52] <oldude67> k
[21:52] <BUGabundo> aptitude should keep you safe!!
[21:52] <oldude67> it was a particial
[21:52] <oldude67> grrr...
[21:53] <oldude67> lol
[21:53] <oldude67> had xfce loaded as well , think i might have to reload it too?
[21:54] <BUGabundo> oldude67: $ sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop xubuntu-desktop !?!?
[21:55] <oldude67> yup it was removed as well grr....
[21:56] <oldude67> thanks Bugabundo...ill not do that again...grrr.
[21:58] <yofel> hm... would it be possible no make gdm updates NOT kill the running session o.O
[21:59] <BUGabundo> hey yofel
[21:59] <yofel> hi BUGabundo
[22:04] <oldude67> ok reboot see what happens this time..lol
[22:18] <dupondje> when will firefox 3.5 become default ? :x
[22:19] <BUGabundo> dupondje: do you really care??
[22:20] <dupondje> yes :)
[22:20] <dupondje> cause search etc is not working yet atm
[22:20] <BUGabundo> stop it alrigt?
[22:21] <dupondje> and don't feel like installing 3.0 to get it back working ;)
[22:21] <BUGabundo> search???
[22:21] <BUGabundo> works for me
[22:21] <dupondje> the search bar ...
[22:21] <BUGabundo> do you have a LP bug ?
[22:21] <BUGabundo> btw all FF bugs/questions are on #ubuntu-mozillateam
[22:22] <dupondje> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.5/+bug/383484
[22:25] <robin0800> What driver is it looking for when you try to set  visual  effects
[22:25] <BUGabundo> its triaged
[22:25] <BUGabundo> so its known
[22:25] <BUGabundo> robin0800: GPU
[22:26] <robin0800> gpu?
[22:26] <dupondje> BUGabundo: indeed :) but needs to get fixxed ! :D
[22:27] <yofel> robin0800: what's your graphics card?
[22:27] <robin0800> BUGabundo: mobility radeon 9600
[22:28] <BUGabundo> robin0800: so when you enable 3d acelarion it tries to download a driver for your card
[22:29] <robin0800> BUGabundo: Yes but it can't because there isn't one
[22:29] <BUGabundo> ahh
[22:31] <robin0800> BUGabundo: And hasn't been a restricted one since  **.o4
[22:31] <robin0800> 8.04
[22:31] <BUGabundo> I never had ati so I don't know
[22:31] <BUGabundo> but I do know that there are at least 2 drivers for ati cards
[22:33] <penguin42> yeh there's a closed source one and an open one
[22:34] <BUGabundo> yep
[22:34] <robin0800> BUGabundo:  Dosen't seem to matter if you  set  "ati" or  "radeon"
[22:34] <BUGabundo> no idea
[22:34] <BUGabundo> as I said I don't know about ati
[22:39] <ghindo> Is Rhythmbox misbehaving for anybody else?
[22:39] <penguin42> ghindo: For me it dies when I hit play?
[22:41] <penguin42> I had to push gtk2+ back a version to get it working again
[22:42] <ghindo> Hrm.  It's chewing up processing power for me.
[22:43] <ghindo> Weird.
[22:45] <BUGabundo> firefox 3.6 full screen is broken! it won't come out of FS
[22:45] <BUGabundo> confirmed on #-mozillateam
[22:46] <BUGabundo> now I can't get it out aaahah
[22:46] <dupondje> :p
[22:46] <dupondje> btw, somebody knows a good prog to make dvd covers ? :)
[22:46] <ghindo> oh god i'm trapped in fx 3.6 help me
[22:47] <dupondje> ALT+F4 ? :P
[22:49] <BUGabundo> hye akgraner
[22:49] <BUGabundo> dupondje: LOLOL
[22:58] <ikus060> What is the recommended way to ssubmit a bug about the resum/suspend feature ??
[22:58] <dupondje> damn :( qpxtool is broken :(
[22:58] <dupondje> ikus060: depends, best is to make a bug against the thing that doesn't work ..
[22:59] <dupondje> or make that suspend doesn't work well
[23:00] <ikus060> dupondje : ?? The suspend/resume doesn't work with my hardware, I'm looking for witch information I need to provide to ensure developpers have everything they need.
[23:00] <BUGabundo> ikus060: $ ubuntu-bug linux
[23:00] <BUGabundo> also read kernel team debug pages
[23:13] <billybigrigger> anyone here use awn?
[23:13] <penguin42> what is it?
[23:14] <billybigrigger> avant window manager i think
[23:14] <billybigrigger> its a dock bar
[23:14] <billybigrigger> its supposed to be the defacto dock in ubuntu
[23:14] <billybigrigger> but it either sucks huge, or its not playing nice with karmic
[23:14] <penguin42> it is? Never heard of it
[23:14] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: GnomeDO FTW
[23:15] <billybigrigger> eff gnomedo, i don't know how to get its dock working
[23:15] <penguin42> BUGabundo: DO is interesting - although it is exactly a rip off of the Mac one
[23:15] <billybigrigger> boog, i installed it a couple of weeks ago and haven't used it once!
[23:15] <BUGabundo> penguin42: don't care
[23:15] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: its like playing in the Lotto, and not clayming the prise!
[23:16] <penguin42> I do need to try using it more - I've got into the habit of using it for calculator, but little else
[23:16] <BUGabundo> DO is SWEET
[23:16] <billybigrigger> k how do i get the do dock then
[23:16] <billybigrigger> ill toss awn right in the trash where it belongs
[23:18] <penguin42> BUGabundo: I had an odd one earlier - I logged in, and went to get a drink - when I came back the machine hadn't screen locked, but as soon as I came back, clicked the mouse - Do disappeared and then screenlocked - I do wonder if it was DO startup stopping the lock
[23:18] <BUGabundo> penguin42: DO as been a bit unstable on 0.8.2
[23:18] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: you have a skin for a dock
[23:18] <BUGabundo> its called Docky
[23:20] <billybigrigger> ahh
[23:20] <billybigrigger> well ill start testing it
[23:20]  * billybigrigger trashes awn
[23:21] <BUGabundo> ahahah
[23:21] <BUGabundo> that was fast
[23:21]  * dupondje misses descent DVDR Quality Check tool for Ubuntu :(
[23:23] <DanaG> heh, I finally figured out how to read a friggin DMG file in Linux: loop-mount it, and then run TestDisk on it!
[23:29] <billybigrigger> boog, docky seems to behave alot smoother, and i definitely prefer it, even after 5 mins of use
[23:32] <billybigrigger> boog, docky seems to behave alot smoother, and i definitely prefer it, even after 5 mins of use
[23:33] <BUGabundo> aahaha
[23:33] <BUGabundo> now findout how to tweak it !!!
[23:34] <BUGabundo> you can make those icons do and look like anything  you want
[23:34] <billybigrigger> well is it like a top panel sort of too?
[23:34] <billybigrigger> i found a few apps in there that where links
[23:35] <billybigrigger> i removed them, but they werent apps that were currently running
[23:35] <billybigrigger> i see that the bigger you make it, it just fills the dock with apps
[23:35] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: launch shortcuts!
[23:35] <billybigrigger> random apps?
[23:35] <billybigrigger> well why the hell would gnome devs do that
[23:35] <billybigrigger> i like my launch shortcuts at the top :P
[23:43] <billybigrigger> BUGabundo::: how can i find out when a package is coming into repos?
[23:44] <billybigrigger> i'm waiting for vbox 3.0 to hit repos, someone told me its in debian, so hopefully it would make its way to karmic soonish
[23:44] <billybigrigger> anyway to track it?
[23:45] <billybigrigger> geez i hate empathy
[23:49] <billybigrigger> BUGabundo1::: did you get that?
[23:50] <BUGabundo> (11:45:09 PM) billybigrigger: geez i hate empathy
[23:50] <BUGabundo> ?
 BUGabundo::: how can i find out when a package is coming into repos?
 i'm waiting for vbox 3.0 to hit repos, someone told me its in debian, so hopefully it would make its way to karmic soonish
 anyway to track it?
[23:51] <kenyon> billybigrigger: it's in debian, as you can see here: http://packages.qa.debian.org/v/virtualbox-ose.html
[23:51] <billybigrigger> ok, so how does it make its way to karmic repos?
[23:51] <billybigrigger> motu needs to pacakge it for ubuntu first?
[23:51] <billybigrigger> then upload to where?
[23:52] <kenyon> billybigrigger: you can subscribe there. I don't see any way to subscribe to launchpad's publishing history, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/virtualbox-ose
[23:52] <billybigrigger> launchpad only had 2.24
[23:52] <kenyon> billybigrigger: the package needs to be synced from debian
[23:52] <billybigrigger> no entries for 3.0
[23:54] <kenyon> billybigrigger: karmic is already past debian import freeze though: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicReleaseSchedule
[23:55] <billybigrigger> wow
[23:55] <billybigrigger> i missed that
[23:55] <kenyon> billybigrigger: that doesn't necessarily mean it won't be imported stil
[23:56] <billybigrigger> who can i bug the piss out of to get the ball rolling?
[23:57] <kenyon> billybigrigger: don't know, it's maintained by MOTU
[23:57] <billybigrigger> hmmm
[23:57] <kenyon> billybigrigger: I suppose you could file a bug requesting a sync from debian for 3.0, and give reasons
[23:57] <billybigrigger> there is a bug filed
[23:58] <kenyon> billybigrigger: I see... https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/394188
[23:58] <billybigrigger> na
[23:58] <billybigrigger> its got to do with the networking modules, they don't compile with the 2.6.31 kernel
[23:59] <billybigrigger> vbox runs fine
[23:59] <kenyon> billybigrigger: bug says "in progress"
[23:59] <billybigrigger> ahh yeah
[23:59] <billybigrigger> missed that :P