asacanyway, i think its made for releases where its clear how to get the tarball if you want to reproduce something00:00
asacbut i agree its probably more in line with the original spirit of it ;)00:00
ftawe discussed that last year or 2 years ago in the motu channel, we ended-up with get-current-source doing what you want00:01
micahgasac: any idea when ff300:01
micahg.5 will hit jaunty?00:01
asacfta: what i want? ;)00:01
ftatarball matching d/changelog00:02
ftamost of my rules files are providing that too00:02
asacright. i remember get-current-source now00:03
asacbut we had problems implementing that for mozillas accurately, right?00:03
asacor was that just with CVS?00:03
ftawe need a reverse mapping for the tags. it's fine when it's a snapshot as it contains the proper rev-id00:04
ftaor date00:04
asacyeah thats what i thought00:05
ftawhat do you think of http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=15889 ?00:05
asaci wonder if bzr merge-options would be something we could use to have bzr branches that can reproduce the tarball if needed00:05
asacmerge-upstream ;)00:05
asacnot sure if bzr is up to that nowadays ;)00:05
asace.g. mirroring daily progress of moz central for instance00:06
asacfta: sounds wrong for gnome. but chrome folks have to deide whether the want a unique experience accross platforms00:07
ftathe problem with bzr mirrors is that we loose the upstream revisions, it's a pain when filing bugs00:07
asacor a slightly different one00:07
asacthat obeys native laf00:07
asacfta: i dont mean bzr mirrors00:07
asacfta: bzr builddeb has a merge-upstream feature now00:08
asacor is it bzr?00:08
asacanyway ... its basically if you get a new tarball, you say: merge-upstream and then it will update the internal upstream branch00:08
asacand in future you can export tarballs independently that have matching checksum00:08
asacso its basically just a recorded "orig" bump00:08
asaclike when you say "new upstream snapshot"00:08
asacthat would be equivalent to a merge-upstream commit combined with bumping changelog00:09
asacso workflow would be:00:09
asac./debian/rules get-orig-source00:09
asacbzr merge-upstream *orig.tar.gz00:09
asacand then you can just do bzr bd --export-upstream ... to get the upstream00:10
asacbzr help merge-upstream00:11
asac  Takes a new upstream version and merges it in to your branch, so that your00:11
asac  packaging changes are applied to the new version.00:11
asac  00:11
asac  You must supply the source to import from, and the version number of the00:11
asac  new release. The source can be a .tar.gz, .tar, .tar.bz2, .tgz or .zip00:12
asac  archive, or a directory. The source may also be a remote file.00:12
asacnot mentioned how to export it on demand though ;)00:13
asacmaybe its all automagic00:13
asacand it creates .bzr-builddeb/default.conf or something00:13
asaci guess its immature ;)00:17
* asac stops testing that feature00:17
micahgasac: any idea on FF3.5 in Jaunty, people keep opening bugs...00:20
ftait's in the security ppa00:23
ftai also get may share of emails about that00:24
micahgok, but it's going into jaunty-updates/security, right?00:24
ftanot my call00:25
micahgasac: ^^^00:25
asaci dont know how i can be more clear ;)00:26
asacKarmic and Jaunty users:00:26
asac* just install the currently available firefox-3.5 package from universe and wait. The final bits will be there really soon. * If you want to have them earlier, enable ubuntu-mozilla-security PPA where the bits will land first.00:26
micahgI read it :)00:26
micahgbut that's what I'm telling people also00:27
asacgood... plan hasnt changed yet ;)00:27
micahgI just anticipate people asking: Are we there yet?00:27
micahgBTW, asac, bd murray has an extension that you can configure to replace the script you had00:28
micahgI just tried it00:28
asacthe package hasnt been rolled to -security yet ;)00:28
micahgIt lets you set importance, status, and replies00:28
asacmicahg: yeah. greasemonkey00:28
asacmicahg: i dont like greasemonkey. firing off a command is more efficient for me than waiting for launchpad ;)00:30
asaci used greasemonkey for some time00:30
asacbut yes, its defintly an improvement.00:30
micahgok, well, I think it'll help me some00:31
micahgand I"m testing it for FF3.5 right now :)00:31
micahgworks fine for me00:32
micahgwrong windeow :)00:32
asacwas informational anyway ;)00:38
BUGabundofta : #6Million done!00:48
micahgBUGabundo: 6 mil what?00:49
ftaBUGabundo, ? was that a challenge?00:49
ftalooks like spam to me00:49
BUGabundofta one year old!00:49
BUGabundomicahg: dents00:49
* BUGabundo caminha01:04
rzrasac: around ?01:36
rzrasac: new flashblock to merge : http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~rzr/firefox-extensions/flashblock.ubuntu/revision/1801:38
rzri'll use lp to notify it01:39
asac3g busted in NM ppa08:53
asacso dont upgrade ;)08:53
=== asac_ is now known as asac
rzrhi asac , can you release http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~rzr/firefox-extensions/flashblock.ubuntu ?10:28
* asac looking10:29
asacrzr: does it work with 3.5?10:29
rzri havent check10:30
rzrmaybe i should upgrade to karmic10:30
asacrzr: 3.5 is also in jaunty10:30
asacalso you can pick the final 3.5 for jaunty from the  ~ubuntu-mozilla-security PPA10:30
rzrso let's check this10:30
rzri see i had 3.5 , and never ran it10:33
rzrasac: ok captain it works10:34
asacrzr: ok merged. i also added a .bzr-builddeb/default.conf with the upstream revision info ... please update it next time too10:38
rzrok great10:38
rzrthis has be merged in jaunty later , right ?10:39
asacrzr: no10:39
asacrzr: unless there are serious bugs resolved we wont update jaunty10:39
rzrthen i'll open them :)10:40
rzror wait someone to do it10:40
rzrbecause i am not sure it works as expected10:41
rzrbtw let me thank you for uploading10:44
asacrzr: could you please keep the changelog during merge at UNRELEASED and then do a final commit with "debcommit -r" ?10:45
asac(next time)10:45
asacits better to know when there was what release ;)10:45
rzrok will do10:45
asacrzr: is there no hope that we will get a better upstream version?10:45
asacrzr: like the version they release on amo?10:46
rzramo ?10:46
asacif not ... maybe we can spot the real release and reversion the snapshot?10:46
asacrzr: addons.mozilla.org10:46
* rzr scratches his head10:47
rzrno i donno how10:47
asacrzr: do you remember this topic at all?10:49
asacour snapshot has a completely different versioning what they release there ... right?10:49
asac(sorry if i confuse flashblock with some other extension that has this phenomenon)10:50
rzrwe only add that snapshot suffix10:50
rzrthat's the same prefix10:50
rzrthe issue was about the 1.3.14~a2 which now goes before 1.3.14 they will release later10:51
rzr1.3.14 is more compatible than
rzrworks w/ seamonkey and friends10:51
asac Install Flashblock 1.5.1110:52
asacfor Firefox 1.5 to 3.6a10:52
asacNetscape 9 and Flock Install Flashblock 1.3.1410:52
asacfor SeaMonkey, Firefox 1.0.x10:52
asacand other browsersah ok10:52
asacrzr: whats the difference?10:52
asacis there any?10:52
rzri see no advantage to use 1.510:52
asacwhats the difference then?10:52
rzri havent check10:52
asacwhy do they release a 1.5?10:52
rzrgood question10:52
asac2009-06-27: Flashblock 1.5.11 released for Firefox 1.5 to Firefox 3.6a (trunk), Netscape Navigator 9, Flock, and Intel Midbrowser.10:52
asac2009-06-27: Flashblock 1.3.14 released for Firefox 1.0 to 3.6a, Mozilla Suite 1.7.x, Seamonkey 1.0a to 2.0, Netscape 7 to 9.0, and Flock.10:52
asacwhats going on ;)10:52
rzrfor netscape9 maybe10:52
asaccrazy guyxs10:52
rzrno intel10:53
rzri donno of this browser is it a branded version of fennec ?10:54
asaci developed that at some point10:54
asacintel doesnt use it anymore10:54
asacthey do something with mutter and trunk xulrunner now10:54
asacwe have it in the archive even10:54
asacoh its removed again i think10:55
rzrok i'll test it out on my tablet10:55
asacyou can run midbrowser in normal desktop too10:55
rzrsure but it's more use on my freerunner or nit10:55
rzrbtw, have you tested thoses android+ubuntu hacks ? i am about to write an article about this10:56
asacrzr: not personally, i saw demos on it during UDS11:02
asachi Trouble12:02
TroubleHello there!12:03
asacTrouble: are you in troubles ;) j.k.12:04
jithineasac: I got it now12:14
jithineasac: no need for full path just to be in top level src dir12:15
asacyeah ;)12:16
jithineasac: my problem was that initially i was trying it inside debian/patches directory and it was not working12:18
asacrzr: did you ever get a confirm mail for the flashblock upload?12:21
rzrlet me check12:22
Troubleasac: Lol no - Thankfully I'm not. Though my irc client highlights every time someone else is in trouble (and mentions "trouble") :_p12:36
asac lol12:45
rzrasac: no mail from lp today maybe delayed12:46
asacthe package is in though12:56
asaci actually thought i would get a  mail12:56
asacmaybe i already deleted it12:56
=== ejat is now known as e-jat
fta2asac, i fixed Bug 331654 days ago13:53
ubottuLaunchpad bug 331654 in firefox-3.5 "abrowser profile migration is wrong" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/33165413:53
asacfta2: yes13:54
asacfta2: but not in jaunty ;)13:54
ubottuUbuntu bug 331654 in firefox-3.5 "abrowser profile migration is wrong" [High,In progress]13:54
asacwe need this as pseudo-SRU bug13:54
asacsecurity team busted my plans to push this through -security13:55
asacconfigure: error:13:57
asac*** Checks for JPEG2000 loader failed. You can build without it by passing13:57
asac*** --without-libjasper to configure13:57
asacwhat the hell is that13:57
asacmaybe everyone can move to jpeg2000 ? ;)13:57
fta2where does that come from?13:59
asacits on git head14:00
asacbut i think i saw that before14:00
asaclibjasper-dev - Development files for the JasPer JPEG-2000 library14:01
asaclibjasper1 - The JasPer JPEG-2000 runtime library14:01
asaclibjasper-runtime - Programs for manipulating JPEG-2000 files14:01
asacseems to be not decoding, but manipulating and coding14:02
rzrasac: i noticed that it appear in the changelog , but not in the current versions14:16
rzrnow it's ok14:16
rzri suppose it's updated once built14:17
asacso xulrunner-1.9.1 and firefox-3.5 ended up in jaunty-propose :/14:38
asacfta2: too much garbage in the upload for direct -security fastpath14:41
asaci didnt want to back out all14:42
asacwell i offered to do it14:42
asacbut so far things go smooth ;)14:42
* asac late lunch for real14:45
asacmozilla  bug 50220814:56
ubottuMozilla bug 502208 in Mail Window Front End "Folders do not display, most actions generate _treeElement undefined errors" [Critical,Unconfirmed] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=50220814:56
asacour tbird 3 daily is busted as it seems14:57
asacmaybe missing a file or something14:57
* asac off for lunch for real real real ;)14:57
fta2asac, i don't use tb at all so i don't know when it breaks, and i don't have much time to fix it anyway. if noone else volunteers, maybe i should drop it from the daily15:13
asacfta2: its ok.15:23
asacnobody mentioned it so its probably recent breakage15:23
asacthe idea of dailies is that they break ;)15:24
asacso we notice ;)15:24
asacfta2: did daily run already happen? or in 40 min?16:18
asacok added missing files for tbird16:19
asaclets hope dailies get ready soon so i can verify ;)16:19
* asac glances at builders16:20
asacseems there is potential for digesting them ;)16:20
asaci386      2 builds waiting in queue16:20
asacamd64      13 builds waiting in queue16:20
asaclpia      14 builds waiting in queue16:20
fta2most builders are doing something else apparently16:21
asacBuilding lpia build of firefox-3.6 3.6~a1~hg20090702r29966+nobinonly-0ubuntu1~umd1~hardy in ubuntu hardy RELEASE [ubuntu-mozilla-daily/ppa]16:22
asacis that a late comer?16:22
fta2xul was broken, i fixed it earlier today16:22
asaconly on lpia?16:22
fta2no, all16:23
* asac still wondering why he doesnt get any build failure mail anymore16:23
* asac gets crazy17:24
asachalf of day debugging why ffox 3.5 doesnt honour hint_style17:24
asacit vanishes from font_options somehow17:24
* asac feels crazy ;917:41
asacguess have to take a break17:42
* asac confused by system/moz-cairo mix in a --disable-system-cairo build18:30
BUGabundoguud evening18:51
BUGabundohey asac18:52
BUGabundohello mbana18:57
asac14:54 < asac> we need this as pseudo-SRU bug18:59
asac14:55 < asac> security team busted my plans to push this through -security18:59
asac14:57 < asac> configure: error:18:59
micahgasac: which bug?19:00
asacmicahg: so firefox-3.5 is now in proposed ;)19:00
asacmicahg: too many non-security changes in packaging19:01
BUGabundofta: ping19:01
asacso monday most likely19:01
micahgare the packages in teh security ppa and proposed the same?19:03
ftaBUGabundo, ?19:03
micahgWe've had some possible user agent bugs19:03
BUGabundofta if you have too many dent from me, you can instead follow my other OMB account! it only has 6 dents/day19:04
BUGabundofta http://www.macno.org/denticator/?service=&user=fta&chart=flash19:04
BUGabundoAbsolute average: 682 dents since 2009-01-11 (174 days): 3.92  dents/day19:04
asacmicahg: yes19:04
asacDirectFB thing is not fixed in thebes yet19:05
asacbug 30403319:07
ubottuLaunchpad bug 304033 in gwibber "Gwibber doesn't display updates (due to newer webkit/pywebkitgtk builds)" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/30403319:07
asaccrazy guys19:08
BUGabundoasac: well it did affect a bunch of users19:08
BUGabundoworks for me! it always has!19:08
BUGabundoonly was affected by a similar bug for 1 day19:08
asacits still broken in karmic19:09
asacguys you should really care for the archive19:09
asacand not only ppas ;)19:09
BUGabundoasac: it shouldn't even be in archive!!!19:09
BUGabundoit can!!19:09
asacit doesnt help if you run the .head if noone pushes stuff to the archive19:09
asacbetter keep running archive and bug folks to update gwibber19:09
BUGabundogwibber is one of those apps that only works on a PPA with often releases19:09
asaci dont think so19:09
asacwhy would that be the case19:10
asacits just undermaintained from what i understand19:10
BUGabundoor we need to change the rules19:10
asacwhat rules?19:10
asacgwibber doesnt brake in a stable release19:10
BUGabundoand allow packages to change features on stable release19:10
asacBUGabundo: thats not the problem for this case, is it?19:10
asacthe jaunty version still works from what i know19:10
BUGabundowon't comment on it :)19:10
BUGabundobut no support for jaiku, redent, etc19:11
BUGabundoor even SSL-less laconica19:11
asacthats a differnt story19:11
BUGabundoits features19:11
asacbut thats not a regression19:11
* BUGabundo searches for a power socket19:11
asacwhat you see in karmic is a regression19:11
* BUGabundo finds a power socket in the max reach of power cord :\19:13
ftaasac, gwibber never releases anything, so it's a random snapshot or nothing19:14
BUGabundothat's right19:14
BUGabundo*if* they had releases, they might be able to fix asac prob!19:15
BUGabundobut they don't even have branches for head and releases19:15
ftai will push a random snapshot but i need to figure out what are those -u219:16
asacfta: well. if the random snapshot is stable enough its ok19:17
asaci am commiting now the not-committed releases19:17
BUGabundowhat are you both talking about?19:19
ftasome guy pushed changes to karmic without using the bzr branch19:20
BUGabundowho and what?19:20
BUGabundoright since this cycle everything is supposed to be in bzr right?19:20
asacfta: yes. i replayed them now and merged from daily. let me check if its good19:24
ftawhat were the changes?19:27
asacBah! ... and Ah! ;)19:28
asacfirst was no change upload19:28
asacsecond unfixed libwebkit version19:28
asacpublic timeline is broken for me?19:29
asacyou see that too?19:29
asacwas there public before?19:29
asacah ok19:30
asacits a bug19:30
asaci didnt have any public timeline enabled19:30
asacthe tab shouldnt be there then19:30
asacor indicate that one has nothing to expect19:30
BUGabundoasac: if you remove it there's no way to get it back19:31
BUGabundounless you close and start again19:31
asacit hsould just be hidden and not removable?19:31
asachow do i remove it?19:31
asacah its a view19:31
asacview -> public timeline19:31
BUGabundoor mouse middle click19:31
asaccomes back for me19:31
BUGabundonot for me19:32
BUGabundoasac: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/gwibber/+bug/35720619:34
ubottuUbuntu bug 357206 in gwibber "[wishlist] Public Timeline Tab" [Wishlist,Fix released]19:34
BUGabundodoenst work for me19:34
BUGabundooh wait.  diff bug19:34
asacBUGabundo: in View menu19:35
BUGabundoI saw it19:36
BUGabundopressed and pressed again19:36
BUGabundodidn't reopen19:36
BUGabundothen again I don't have the pubic feed enable19:36
BUGabundolet me try that19:36
BUGabundodarn it! it crashed before I got there19:37
BUGabundoasac: ok seems to work19:41
asacthats what i mean ;)19:42
asacBUGabundo: feel like jumping the gun and trying NM trunk?19:42
BUGabundowill it work??19:43
BUGabundoalready running modem manager trunk19:43
asaci think it should work better than the nm 0.7.1 with modemmanager at least19:43
BUGabundothen I need to remobe MM?19:43
asacthats NM 0.8~a ... and NMA19:43
asacBUGabundo: the modemmangaer is a copy ... just add the ppa and upgrade19:43
asacBUGabundo: yes nm trunk is 0.819:43
BUGabundoI keep MM ppa?19:43
BUGabundoor remove it?19:44
asacBUGabundo: dont need to ... i coped the mm to the trunk ppa too19:44
asacand will keep doing so19:44
asaci am seriously thinking about pushing that to karmic19:44
asacjust need initial feedback ;)19:44
BUGabundoand you pick the crist here19:45
BUGabundook ok19:45
asacthought you like new stuff ;)19:47
BUGabundoI do!19:48
BUGabundobut I also like it working19:49
BUGabundoThe following packages will be REMOVED:19:49
BUGabundo  modemmanager{u}19:49
asaci didnt run the package, but i ran the git tree and it worked well19:49
BUGabundoThe following packages will be upgraded: network-manager network-manager-dev network-manager-gnome19:49
asacBUGabundo: removes modemmanager?19:50
asacwhat does {u} mean?19:50
BUGabundono idea!19:50
BUGabundoaptitude words19:50
asacBUGabundo: what does sudo apt-get upgrade suggest?19:51
BUGabundo$ apt-cache policy modemmanager  | pastebinit19:51
BUGabundonow running aptitude! need to wait19:51
asacBUGabundo: so you accepted that mm gets removed? ok.19:52
BUGabundoI do what im told19:52
BUGabundonm-applet just blew19:52
BUGabundogot a error message but pressed SPACE accidentily19:53
BUGabundoGUI confirmations SHOULD never do that :(((19:53
BUGabundoneed to restart19:53
BUGabundogonna halt and have dinner19:53
asacBUGabundo: install modemmanager also19:53
BUGabundoif I don't come back in 30/40 min its your fault!19:53
asacits not getting removed fir me ;)19:53
asacyou should really dump aptitude19:53
asacthats really an annoying package management frontend19:54
BUGabundoasac: its much better then apt-get to manage confilcts19:54
BUGabundoeven a simple aptitude update tells you much more19:54
asacwell. but it sometimes does stupid things that are really unexpected19:55
BUGabundoasac: bugs in depencies19:57
mbanai;m glad the font bug was given high status19:58
BUGabundoasac: fta: apport failing to open FF?19:58
asacnot sure19:59
asacBUGabundo: do you see anything in .xsession-errors?19:59
asacmbana: which font bug are you seeing?19:59
BUGabundoa lot !?19:59
BUGabundoits always filed19:59
mbanaasac: the 3.520:00
asacBUGabundo: see you something that looks like its firefox failing20:00
asacmbana: are you on jaunty?20:00
asacmbana: or karmic?20:00
asacmbana: which cairo version is installed there?20:01
asacmbana: are you running our firefox build?20:02
mbanano ... repo20:02
asacmbana: what does repo mean?20:02
asacyou mean archive.ubuntu.com ?20:02
mbanaasac:  main repo sir.20:02
asacmbana: and your sympomts are that the gnome font hinting settings are not used?20:03
mbanato be honest, i'm not entirely sure.  i just want it to have the same rendering as ff 3.1, shall i try a ppa?20:03
asacmbana: no.20:03
asacmbana: what you ned to check is if the rendering is the same as the rendering of other apps on the desktop20:04
asaclike other gnome apps20:04
asacthats the baseline we have to compare against20:04
asacffox 3.0 might have been buggy - even though it might have been fortunately for you buggy.20:04
mbanayes.  ff 3.1 is using the desktop rendering.  ff 3.5 isn't20:05
asacbut what we should aim for is that firefox has the same fonts in the menu etc. that are used in other menus20:05
asacmbana: so your problem is only in the content area?20:05
asace.g. on the html pages?20:05
asacor also the menu fonts, etc.20:05
mbanano the menus are perfect20:05
mbanait's the content area, as you sya.20:06
BUGabundodinner and a reboot20:06
BUGabundobbl , I hope ;)20:07
asacmbana: does that problem go away if you disallow websites choosing their own fonts? (in preferences -> conten -> fonts ...)20:08
asacwhich bug if was that again?20:08
mbanait's ff 3.5 rendering something, i can't recall the exact name20:09
asacbug 37976120:11
ubottuLaunchpad bug 379761 in firefox-3.5 "FF 3.5 font hinting" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/37976120:11
* asac goes off to dinner ;)20:28
BUGabundoasac: I'm here. so at least wifi works20:46
BUGabundowill test 3g latter20:47
=== asac_ is now known as asac
BUGabundoasac: read it ?20:57
BUGabundombana: ping what conclusion did you get from the Fonts issue?20:58
BUGabundoasac: users on locoteam complaing about FF3.5 fonts, they look like bold!21:02
BUGabundoasac: https://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.feedback.firefox.prerelease/browse_thread/thread/44a6ad4702915b95?fwc=121:07
BUGabundoFF3.5 plus Google toolbar21:07
BUGabundomakes FF lose tooltips21:07
BUGabundoI know its not a FF bug, but I've asked the user to put it on LP so you can dupe others21:08
BUGabundomicahg: ping ^^^^^^^^21:08
micahgBUGabundo: pong21:08
micahgBUGabundo: I don't see any such thing with RC221:09
BUGabundomicahg: users just reported it to me, and said removing Gbar fixed it21:10
micahgI don't have google toolbar21:10
micahgmaybe they should fix their toolbar21:10
BUGabundothey know about it21:10
BUGabundobut users may report it against FF on LP21:10
micahgthanks for the headsup21:11
BUGabundomicahg: another one: fonts as BOLD21:15
BUGabundosee two last images21:15
micahgthat firefox-lp is speeding up triage21:18
BUGabundomicahg: fta: asac: https://labs.mozilla.com/2009/03/firefox-new-tab-next-iteration/21:18
BUGabundoreally kewl21:18
micahgasac: is it offically listed anywhere that proper updates for Firefox in Ubuntu is through Synaptic?21:20
micahgI keep getting bug reports for it21:20
mbanaBUGabundo: i'm not sure what to do.  all i can say is, the menu, as asac mentioned, is rendering correctly, the page isn't21:22
asacBUGabundo: isnt that old?21:22
asacBUGabundo: great. so NM trunk works ok?21:23
BUGabundoasac: any apt front end should do it!21:28
ftagrrrr... http://paste.ubuntu.com/209269/21:28
BUGabundoasac: works21:28
BUGabundoasac: old what?21:28
BUGabundomicahg: : any apt front end should do it!  sorry asac21:28
micahgBUGabundo: agreed21:29
micahgbut does it say that anywhere21:29
micahgpeoples keep asking about the greyed out update option21:29
micahgespecially now that they want ff3.521:29
BUGabundomicahg: mirrors still updating?21:30
BUGabundomicahg: both my mirrors have it $ apt-cache policy firefox-3.5 |pastebinit21:30
BUGabundoasac: what's up with mutt?!?!21:32
micahgBUGabundo: that's karmic. not jaunty21:35
BUGabundototally missed my mind21:36
micahgasac: I'm just wondering what I can tell a guy who I've been waiting to reply on a bug21:37
micahgabout if it officially states anywhere that apt updates FF and not the menu option21:37
BUGabundomicahg: ask apt-cache policy firefox-3.521:39
micahgBUGabundo: you want to see my rsults?21:39
micahgBUGabundo: http://pastebin.com/f3037a61d21:40
BUGabundoarchive on b4??21:42
micahgBUGabundo: jaunty21:42
BUGabundowhat ppa has .1 ?21:42
BUGabundodidn't jaunty also got -security ?21:42
micahgBUGabundo: not yet, that's what asac was going on about earlier21:43
micahgBUGabundo: my question though is about documentation21:43
BUGabundoall week ? ;)21:43
BUGabundomicahg: no documentaion !! PPL have to wait!21:43
micahgBUGabundo: about the menu option, not when the update wil happen21:44
BUGabundothe update menu HAS always been disable21:45
BUGabundowe get updates from archive21:45
micahgBUGabundo: that doesn't help new users21:45
micahgyou and I know that21:45
BUGabundoo what??21:46
BUGabundoaren't they running a stable system?21:46
micahgBUGabundo: new users coming from windows expect firefox to behave the same21:46
micahgsomeone was commenting on how it would be nice if the menu option being disabled was documented21:47
micahgI'm just wondering if it is before I reply21:47
BUGabundoso they expect Virus the same!?!21:47
BUGabundoor Exporer?21:47
micahgotherwise, I'll throw somethign on the wiki21:47
BUGabundoor MSFT office? or to pay for it?21:47
micahgno, FF in Windows checks for updates within the browser21:47
BUGabundoits a diff OS with diff way to keep the system21:48
micahgBUGabundo: agreed, but it would be nice if it was documented21:48
BUGabundomicahg: FF on Win is no FF on Linux21:48
micahgBUGabundo: I'm going to update help.ubuntu.com for people21:50
BUGabundoyou have perm for that one ?21:51
micahgyep :)21:51
micahgI think everyone does21:51
BUGabundoalmost no one does21:53
BUGabundowiki.ubuntu, yes21:53
BUGabundohelp.u no!21:53
micahgBUGabundo: wfm21:55
ftaasac, http://launchpadlibrarian.net/28670842/buildlog_ubuntu-karmic-i386.thunderbird-3.0_3.0~b3~hg20090703r3009%2Bnobinonly-0ubuntu1~umd1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz21:56
micahgBUGabundo: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion21:56
asacsorry irssi didnt continue to scroll21:57
asacso i didnt see any msg ;)21:57
BUGabundoI have no idea what I told you before either21:57
asacmicahg: i dont think that its officially documented that ubuntu firefox doesnt use the mozilla auto update feature21:57
asacmicahg: not sure where do document something like that21:57
micahgasac: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion21:57
asacmicahg: maybe a FAQ page?21:57
micahgjust added it to the introduction21:57
asacBUGabundo: old: the new-tab blog entry you posted21:57
BUGabundonew to me21:58
asacBUGabundo: mutt: i dont know. usually it asked me if i want to move seen mail to inbox-seen or something ... but it stopped doing that apparently in one of the karmic updates21:58
micahgasac: does that post on help.ubuntu work?21:58
asacmicahg: "tell a guy that didnt answer". depends if the bug doesnt look like a gem, just set it to invalid and say that if he has the info, he should reopen the bug21:59
BUGabundoasac: it's a mutt profile rule/option. maybe default changed!21:59
micahgasac: Oh, I've already responded, the bug was too big to begin with21:59
asacfta: damn ;)21:59
micahgasac: I'm just wondering if what I posted was ok on help.ubuntu21:59
asacmicahg: which post on help.ubuntu?22:00
ftahttp://paste.ubuntu.com/209289/ :(22:00
BUGabundoasac: micahg already pasted it 3 times22:00
micahgasac: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion22:00
asacmicahg: did you create that page now or did that exist before?22:00
micahgit existed before22:00
micahgI edited the Intro22:00
micahgI added the last 2 lines22:00
asacmicahg: not sure if we should really put firefox 3.5 on it ... it will get old and if nobody cleans it up the help site looks outdated22:01
micahgasac: I didn't do that22:01
asacjust remember to remove the firefox 3.5 news when its done22:01
micahgasac: I don't maintain it :)22:01
micahgasac: What I posted was timeless22:01
micahgunless we move from apt to yum :)22:01
asacmicahg: but now you touched it and so you own it ;)22:02
micahgthat's the beauty of this team, right asac?22:02
micahgnow I have to get some work work done22:02
asacfta: great. this gzip error looks awful famlilar22:03
asacwhat does python do to tar?22:03
asacit also happens with cdbs and bzr bd some times22:03
ftamicahg, there's not such things as an "early alpha of Firefox 3.5.1". Now that 3.5 is released, all 3.5.* are just minor releases, so 3.5.1pre is not alpha at all, it's an intermediate snapshot between minor releases22:04
asacfta: its only -xf22:04
micahgfta: I didnt't write it22:04
asacwhere is the -z22:04
micahgyou're welcome to edit it...it's community docs22:04
ftaasac, missing, but it's the same22:05
micahgfta: I'll look at the page over the weekend22:08
asacfta: i dont understand why without a -z there is a gzip problem22:08
asacanyway. seems like python does somethig harmful to subprocesses pipes22:08
* asac wonders how a parent process could prevent chils processes from doing proper pipes22:09
asacespecially accidentially22:09
asacfta: can you reproduce that?22:10
asacfta: with a small tarball?22:10
asacif so file a bug please and let someone familiar with python look at that22:10
asacor check python upstream22:10
asacor does that only happen with builddeb22:10
mbanaasac: obviously, u don't want my reply on that bug do you?  the menu stuff22:11
asacmbana: the menu stuff?22:12
=== BUGabundo1 is now known as BUGabundo
asaci replied on the font bug i thought this was it about22:12
asacyou didnt give me the bug id ;)22:12
asacor did you?22:12
mbanathat's it22:12
ftaasac, http://paste.ubuntu.com/209301/22:14
asacmbana: whats it?22:14
asaci didnt see anything posted by you22:14
asacfta: and doing the same tarball in a while loop?22:15
mbanano, i asked if you want me to confirm if the menu uses diff rendering, amybe to the benefit of others22:15
asacmbana: so bug 379761 ?22:16
ubottuLaunchpad bug 379761 in firefox-3.5 "FF 3.5 font hinting" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/37976122:16
mbanayes, i reported it22:16
asacmbana: yes. seems all the others on the bug dont see the bug you wanted to file22:17
asacok retitled22:17
asacplease update the bug. sy that upstream build has problems everywhere22:17
asacand that archive packages are ok, in chrome, but have problems on website22:17
asacalso be verbose about what you consider a problem. i didnt really see the problem/difference in your screenshot. i only see that its different. whether ffox 3 is right or 3.5 is still a mystery to me22:19
mbanahow do you want me to prove it22:21
asaci dont want you to prove22:22
asaci want to you identify whats the difference is22:22
asacthen we have to check on code if that difference is a bug or a fix22:22
mbanaasac, look at the content of the page and look at the gnome task panel22:23
asacmbana: well. the content of the page probably uses a different font ... e.g. whatever the website wants22:23
mbanaand on that screenshot, even the menus aren't rendering correctly, but it seems to be fixed now22:23
asacmbana: if you want the same font for sans that is used in the task panel22:23
asacyou have to prevent website selecting their own fonts22:23
asac(e.g. Preferences -> Content -> Fonts -> Settings... ")22:23
asacor something22:23
asacmbana: consider to check if you have the same setting in 3.0 as in 3.522:24
mbanaall the fonts --- ff 3.1 and 3.5 and the task panel --- are the same22:24
mbanadejavu sans22:24
asacmbana: can you also post the url in the bug to reproduce what you snapshotted22:24
mbanaasac: that screen is from a first launch of FF 3.1 and 3.5, nothing was tweeked22:26
asacmbana: for me both look identical22:26
asacmbana: mbana 3.1 = 3.0?22:26
asac(e.e.g there is no 3.1)22:26
mbanayes, sorry22:26
asacmbana: so in about:config22:26
asacis set to 0 in ffox 3 and 3.5?22:26
mbana1 in both.  but i don't want to set it to 0, i prefer to use the font the site was specified22:27
mbanamaybe, you post a binary on the bug report so others can confirm the behaviour22:28
mbanaunfortunately, builds from mozilla are just hideous22:28
asacmbana: yeah. just please check:22:29
asacif you set it in 3.0 to 022:29
asacand keep it in 3.5 to 122:29
asacdoes it look identical?22:29
mbanayes, it's 1 in 3.022:29
BUGabundomicahg: link to ppa with 3,5 final ?22:33
BUGabundoasac: LOLOLOLOL if I place 3.6 on full screen, it won't come out OLOLOLOL fta can you test ?22:36
asacmbana: so what i did: 1. create a new user account. log-in22:37
asacstart ffox 3.0 and ffox 3.5 next to each other22:37
asacand the fonts look exactly the same22:37
mbanaplease take a screen.  is this your personal build?22:37
asacmbana: no. its the build from daily PPA22:38
micahgBUGabundo: with F11?22:38
asacbut that should be the same as 3.5 final22:38
BUGabundomicahg: yes22:38
asacok i take a screen ... let me re log in22:38
micahgBUGabundo: wfm on jaunty22:38
BUGabundokarmic FF3.622:39
micahgBUGabundo: I'm 2 days behind22:39
micahgon ff3.622:39
micahglet me upgrade22:39
BUGabundoso that I know what to replies to unpacient users: asac what's delaying FF3.5 (the hally grail Final, and oficial branding) on jaunty archive?22:40
BUGabundogetting tired of ppl asking for it22:40
mbanait'll be a sin to release it until this font bug is fixed ;)22:41
micahgBUGabundo: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2009/07/03/%23ubuntu-mozillateam.txt aroung 13:5022:41
micahgand 19:0022:42
micahgBUGabundo: confirmed with 0703 daily22:44
asacmbana: http://people.ubuntu.com/~asac/tmp/Screenshot2.png22:44
BUGabundothanks micahg22:44
BUGabundomicahg: thanks22:44
BUGabundocare to file it?22:44
micahgBUGabundo: worked fine on 070122:44
BUGabundoI'm a very slow net22:44
mbanaasac: ok seems like you got slight hinting.  have you tried setting the hinting to full?  because i believe that's when u notice a difference22:45
BUGabundofta its your deal22:45
micahgBUGabundo: nope, I've gotta finish a project up before Monday22:45
BUGabundowe got it bisected22:45
BUGabundohow do I remove it now ?!? LOL22:45
asacmbana: so in gnome settings?22:45
asacor in fontconfig?22:45
mbanayes, or even in .fonts.conf, what u prefer22:45
mbanahow can i do it through fontconfig?22:45
asacbtw that info _needs_ to be in the bug22:46
asacmbana: err. please remove fonts.conf22:46
asacfirefox 3.0 has bugs in fontconfig processing22:46
asacso that might make a difference22:46
asacjust use gnome-settings22:46
asacand dont touch .fonts.conf22:46
asacotherwise i need the .fonts.conf for sure22:47
asacto see if its a bug or not22:47
asac(attach to bug too)22:47
asacmbana: yeah so with full hinting its different22:49
asaclet me check fontconfig full hinting22:49
mbana(when i try to switch user, my internet connection seems to die, for instance, xchat will disconnect.  something wrong on my end?  u checking on another machine?)22:50
BUGabundoasac: now I'll try 3G22:51
asacmbana: ok. you can mark the connection in connection editor as "available to all users"22:52
asacmbana: then its a system wide connection and wont die22:52
BUGabundoasac: not so good news: NM doesn't see 3G modem!22:55
asacmbana: ok so please update the bug summary: add that this happens when hinting is set to full. also give the example URL22:56
asaci could reproduce it, so there is something i can work on at least ;)22:56
mbanawo ha22:56
micahgasac: you still work on NM>?22:57
mbanai'll paste in the this chat session, if you don't mind22:57
micahgmbana: if it's more than one line, paste to pastebin22:58
asacmicahg: yes23:01
asacmicahg: use paste.ubuntu.com ;)23:01
asacmbana: ^ ;)23:01
micahgasac: what to do with crash reports on 3.5b4?23:02
BUGabundo!paste | mbana23:04
ubottumbana: pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://imagebin.org/index.php?page=add | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic23:04
asacmicahg: if they have no way to reproduce and no recent duplicates, maybe wait to see if 3.5 final brings in duplicates23:04
asacmicahg: otherwise close23:04
micahgok, so I'll wait till next weekend23:05
micahgBUGabundo: next time use > instead of |, that's almost as bad a not using pastebin :)23:05
asacmbana: try23:13
asacpango-view -t "is the process of committing " --backend=xft --font="Sans 10"23:13
asacpango-view -t "is the process of committing " --backend=cairo --font="Sans 10"23:13
asacmbana: is that exactly like "3.5 vs. 3.0" (in that order)23:13
=== Adri2000_ is now known as Adri2000
asacthats the text from the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memorization23:14
asacwiki page ;)23:14
mbanai think the cairo one is ebtter23:16
mbanau want a screen23:16
asacthats not what i asked23:16
asac00:13 < asac> mbana: is that exactly like "3.5 vs. 3.0" (in that order)23:16
BUGabundoasac: asac asac I need 3G back!!!23:16
asacBUGabundo: doesnt the modemmanager stuff work?23:16
mbanaok then it seems like it23:16
asacseems or _is_23:17
asacthats important23:17
BUGabundoasac: no idea! it doesn't show modem in there23:17
asacmy eyes are bad and i dont see any font specifics ;)23:17
BUGabundo$ apt-cache policy modemmanager   Installed: 0.2.git5.ef0a604dc-0ubuntu1~mm123:17
asacBUGabundo: is modem-manager running?23:17
mbanayes it is dude23:17
BUGabundo$ apt-cache policy network-manager  Installed: 0.8~a~git.20090702t164632.9c8e600-0ubuntu1~nmt123:17
asacmbana: good ... also add that to the bug ;)23:18
BUGabundoasac: how do I check?23:18
asacso i think have to check why its xft now ;)23:18
asacor rather, why xft doesnt do full hinting23:18
asacseems like its the same as slight?23:18
asacBUGabundo: ps -eaf | grep modem23:18
BUGabundoasac: root      3342     1  0 20:39 ?        00:00:00 /usr/sbin/modem-manager23:19
asacBUGabundo: stop NetworkManager, then sudo killall modem-manager23:20
asacthen start it on command line like:23:20
asacsudo modem-manager --debug23:20
asacwhat does it print23:20
BUGabundohumm ok23:20
BUGabundothat will kill my wifi23:20
BUGabundoso hang on while I reconnect23:20
asacBUGabundo: did you restart your X session?23:21
BUGabundoI rebootede!23:21
asacah ok23:21
asacand you have 0.8~a for nm and nm-applet?23:21
asacthen run mm as i said above23:21
BUGabundoasac: what's the package fot the applet ?23:22
BUGabundoasac:   Installed: 0.8~a~git.20090701t182005.3bec17d-0ubuntu1~nmt123:23
BUGabundogonna test debug23:23
asacBUGabundo: also:; what modem are you having?23:23
BUGabundohuawei E22023:23
asacin general that should work i think ;)23:24
asacso start it with --debug23:24
asacyou might need a hal-info entry23:24
asacdid your modem work before we switched to udev?23:24
BUGabundoworked up until I installed 0.823:24
asacBUGabundo: no ... for now just get the --debug23:24
BUGabundoevery day for every karmic cycle23:24
BUGabundo /etc/init.d/NM stop23:25
micahgasac: Is security ppa missing ff branding?23:30
BUGabundoasac: http://paste.ubuntu.com/209348/23:30
BUGabundoasac: debug doesn't help much23:30
BUGabundoit detects it but I still can't connect to it23:30
asacmicahg: intentionally yes23:31
asacBUGabundo: if you connect the --debug should hav espit out quite a lot23:32
micahgok, what do I tell people, wait for Jaunty release for branding?23:32
BUGabundoasac: that's all I have23:32
asacBUGabundo: do you see your modem in the applet?23:32
BUGabundowith or without NM running23:32
asacmicahg: in jaunty 3.5 will stay unbranded we we only ship one branded firefox for every release23:33
asacusers should consider firefox-3.5 a preview service23:33
micahgasac: that seems a little weird23:33
asacwhy ;)23:33
asacone principal of stable updates is to not change the UI23:33
asacchanging branding is a big UI change23:33
micahgIf it's a legitimate release, then it shoudl be branded, it'll screw up with user agents and such23:33
asacyes. firefox 3.5 in karmic will be an official build with branding. but not in jaunty23:34
BUGabundoasac: still 3.5 is A LOT of Feature changes too23:34
asacjaunty is a preview package and its not stabilitized, didnt undergo trademark and patch review etc.23:34
asacBUGabundo: it has. but we had firefox-3.5 in jaunty23:35
micahgasac: ah, that's a different story23:35
asacjust in universe23:35
micahgah, so we only brand the pacakges in main?23:35
BUGabundoasac: HHHAAAA23:35
asacmicahg: but its not only the trademark. its really that changing branding in a security/stable update is not the way to go ... we released teh firefox-3.5 with shiretoko branding in jaunty; so it should stay shiretoke all release23:35
asacmicahg: we only brand packages in main yes.23:36
micahgok, but that'll cause problems for sites that try to dynamically provide HTML5 based on user agent23:36
asacmicahg: but we also dont change branding post release23:36
micahgshould I suggest people install the karmic version?23:36
asacmicahg: it has the right gecko version i23:36
BUGabundomicahg: ok ok you have yiour anwser23:36
micahgor just install useragentswitcher?23:37
asacmicahg: also its done in js anyway23:37
BUGabundonow let me own asac for a few minutes23:37
asacuser agents are not ment to be used for that23:37
asacwe try to stop sites doing that23:37
asacBUGabundo: so nothing in applet?23:37
BUGabundonope asac23:37
asacBUGabundo: and in syslog?23:37
micahgasac: Yes, ideally everything should be standards based, but that's hard23:37
asacmicahg: yes. but we dont run after the web23:37
asacmicahg: most sites will work23:38
micahgso, I'll tell people it can;t be branded23:38
micahgand mark won't fix?23:38
asacand the sites that dont work usually also dont work if you have the right string23:38
asacbecause the see "linux" and say: "unsupported OS"23:38
asacmicahg: tell them it will not be branded.23:38
asacmicahg: dont explain the trademark story etc.23:38
asacthat doesnt matter. changing branding is just not allowed in stable update. thats it23:38
micahgwill do asac, thanks23:39
asacpeople go nuts if you give them too many things. they start to argue about specific points etc.23:39
asacits not worth it23:39
asacand whatever you do, the people complaining will always be loud and unhappy23:39
ftaX crashed during apt-get upgrade :(23:39
asacthe happy folks you dont hear about ;)23:39
asacthats how it is ;)23:40
fta2nd time in 2 days23:40
asacBUGabundo: do you have a syslog?23:40
asaclike a complete thing ;)?23:40
BUGabundoasac: trying to pastebin23:41
BUGabundodarn wifi :((23:41
asacfta: chipset?23:41
asacfta: on .31?23:41
asacyou are lucky that X works at all23:41
asacmy ati freezes when X is started23:41
asacintel works23:41
asacati only with .3023:41
asacBUGabundo: i need the full syslog as usualy ;)23:42
ftacrash in evdev_drv23:44
ftadoesn't seem to be HW related23:44
=== BUGabundo1 is now known as BUGabundo
asacBUGabundo: ok i follow and upgrade to your mm trunk thing ;)23:50
asacbad time for 3g23:52
asacNM ppa broken23:52
asactrunk ppa broken23:52
asacmm ppa works?23:52
asacor didnt that work for you?23:52
asacslow archive mirrors23:53
asacme takes a break23:53
asacits really high humidity23:53
BUGabundohumm asac I was using MM ppa23:57
BUGabundoand working23:57
BUGabundowith NM from archive23:57

Generated by irclog2html.py 2.7 by Marius Gedminas - find it at mg.pov.lt!