| asac | anyway, i think its made for releases where its clear how to get the tarball if you want to reproduce something | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| asac | but i agree its probably more in line with the original spirit of it ;) | 00:00 |
| fta | we discussed that last year or 2 years ago in the motu channel, we ended-up with get-current-source doing what you want | 00:01 |
| micahg | asac: any idea when ff3 | 00:01 |
| micahg | .5 will hit jaunty? | 00:01 |
| asac | fta: what i want? ;) | 00:01 |
| fta | tarball matching d/changelog | 00:02 |
| fta | most of my rules files are providing that too | 00:02 |
| asac | right. i remember get-current-source now | 00:03 |
| asac | but we had problems implementing that for mozillas accurately, right? | 00:03 |
| asac | or was that just with CVS? | 00:03 |
| fta | we need a reverse mapping for the tags. it's fine when it's a snapshot as it contains the proper rev-id | 00:04 |
| fta | or date | 00:04 |
| asac | yeah thats what i thought | 00:05 |
| fta | what do you think of http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=15889 ? | 00:05 |
| asac | i wonder if bzr merge-options would be something we could use to have bzr branches that can reproduce the tarball if needed | 00:05 |
| asac | merge-upstream ;) | 00:05 |
| asac | not sure if bzr is up to that nowadays ;) | 00:05 |
| asac | e.g. mirroring daily progress of moz central for instance | 00:06 |
| asac | fta: sounds wrong for gnome. but chrome folks have to deide whether the want a unique experience accross platforms | 00:07 |
| fta | the problem with bzr mirrors is that we loose the upstream revisions, it's a pain when filing bugs | 00:07 |
| asac | or a slightly different one | 00:07 |
| asac | that obeys native laf | 00:07 |
| asac | fta: i dont mean bzr mirrors | 00:07 |
| asac | fta: bzr builddeb has a merge-upstream feature now | 00:08 |
| asac | or is it bzr? | 00:08 |
| asac | anyway ... its basically if you get a new tarball, you say: merge-upstream and then it will update the internal upstream branch | 00:08 |
| asac | and in future you can export tarballs independently that have matching checksum | 00:08 |
| asac | so its basically just a recorded "orig" bump | 00:08 |
| asac | like when you say "new upstream snapshot" | 00:08 |
| asac | that would be equivalent to a merge-upstream commit combined with bumping changelog | 00:09 |
| asac | so workflow would be: | 00:09 |
| asac | ./debian/rules get-orig-source | 00:09 |
| asac | bzr merge-upstream *orig.tar.gz | 00:09 |
| asac | and then you can just do bzr bd --export-upstream ... to get the upstream | 00:10 |
| asac | orig.tar.gz | 00:10 |
| asac | bzr help merge-upstream | 00:11 |
| asac | Takes a new upstream version and merges it in to your branch, so that your | 00:11 |
| asac | packaging changes are applied to the new version. | 00:11 |
| asac | 00:11 | |
| asac | You must supply the source to import from, and the version number of the | 00:11 |
| asac | new release. The source can be a .tar.gz, .tar, .tar.bz2, .tgz or .zip | 00:12 |
| asac | archive, or a directory. The source may also be a remote file. | 00:12 |
| asac | not mentioned how to export it on demand though ;) | 00:13 |
| asac | maybe its all automagic | 00:13 |
| asac | and it creates .bzr-builddeb/default.conf or something | 00:13 |
| asac | i guess its immature ;) | 00:17 |
| * asac stops testing that feature | 00:17 | |
| micahg | asac: any idea on FF3.5 in Jaunty, people keep opening bugs... | 00:20 |
| fta | it's in the security ppa | 00:23 |
| fta | https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-security/+archive/ppa | 00:23 |
| fta | i also get may share of emails about that | 00:24 |
| fta | -may+my | 00:24 |
| micahg | ok, but it's going into jaunty-updates/security, right? | 00:24 |
| fta | not my call | 00:25 |
| micahg | asac: ^^^ | 00:25 |
| asac | i dont know how i can be more clear ;) | 00:26 |
| asac | Karmic and Jaunty users: | 00:26 |
| asac | * just install the currently available firefox-3.5 package from universe and wait. The final bits will be there really soon. * If you want to have them earlier, enable ubuntu-mozilla-security PPA where the bits will land first. | 00:26 |
| micahg | I read it :) | 00:26 |
| micahg | but that's what I'm telling people also | 00:27 |
| asac | good... plan hasnt changed yet ;) | 00:27 |
| micahg | I just anticipate people asking: Are we there yet? | 00:27 |
| micahg | BTW, asac, bd murray has an extension that you can configure to replace the script you had | 00:28 |
| micahg | I just tried it | 00:28 |
| asac | the package hasnt been rolled to -security yet ;) | 00:28 |
| micahg | It lets you set importance, status, and replies | 00:28 |
| asac | micahg: yeah. greasemonkey | 00:28 |
| micahg | yeah | 00:28 |
| asac | micahg: i dont like greasemonkey. firing off a command is more efficient for me than waiting for launchpad ;) | 00:30 |
| asac | i used greasemonkey for some time | 00:30 |
| asac | but yes, its defintly an improvement. | 00:30 |
| micahg | ok, well, I think it'll help me some | 00:31 |
| micahg | and I"m testing it for FF3.5 right now :) | 00:31 |
| micahg | works fine for me | 00:32 |
| micahg | oops | 00:32 |
| micahg | wrong windeow :) | 00:32 |
| asac | heh | 00:37 |
| asac | was informational anyway ;) | 00:38 |
| BUGabundo | fta : #6Million done! | 00:48 |
| micahg | BUGabundo: 6 mil what? | 00:49 |
| fta | BUGabundo, ? was that a challenge? | 00:49 |
| fta | looks like spam to me | 00:49 |
| BUGabundo | fta one year old! | 00:49 |
| BUGabundo | micahg: dents | 00:49 |
| BUGabundo | http://identi.ca/notice/6000000 | 00:49 |
| * BUGabundo caminha | 01:04 | |
| rzr | hi | 01:36 |
| rzr | asac: around ? | 01:36 |
| rzr | asac: new flashblock to merge : http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~rzr/firefox-extensions/flashblock.ubuntu/revision/18 | 01:38 |
| rzr | i'll use lp to notify it | 01:39 |
| asac | ola | 08:52 |
| asac | 3g busted in NM ppa | 08:53 |
| asac | so dont upgrade ;) | 08:53 |
| === asac_ is now known as asac | ||
| rzr | hi asac , can you release http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~rzr/firefox-extensions/flashblock.ubuntu ? | 10:28 |
| * asac looking | 10:29 | |
| asac | rzr: does it work with 3.5? | 10:29 |
| rzr | i havent check | 10:30 |
| rzr | maybe i should upgrade to karmic | 10:30 |
| asac | rzr: 3.5 is also in jaunty | 10:30 |
| asac | firefox-3.5 | 10:30 |
| asac | also you can pick the final 3.5 for jaunty from the ~ubuntu-mozilla-security PPA | 10:30 |
| rzr | so let's check this | 10:30 |
| rzr | i see i had 3.5 , and never ran it | 10:33 |
| rzr | b4pre | 10:33 |
| rzr | asac: ok captain it works | 10:34 |
| asac | good | 10:37 |
| asac | rzr: ok merged. i also added a .bzr-builddeb/default.conf with the upstream revision info ... please update it next time too | 10:38 |
| rzr | ok great | 10:38 |
| rzr | this has be merged in jaunty later , right ? | 10:39 |
| asac | uploaded | 10:39 |
| asac | rzr: no | 10:39 |
| asac | rzr: unless there are serious bugs resolved we wont update jaunty | 10:39 |
| rzr | ok | 10:39 |
| rzr | then i'll open them :) | 10:40 |
| rzr | or wait someone to do it | 10:40 |
| rzr | because i am not sure it works as expected | 10:41 |
| rzr | btw let me thank you for uploading | 10:44 |
| asac | rzr: could you please keep the changelog during merge at UNRELEASED and then do a final commit with "debcommit -r" ? | 10:45 |
| asac | (next time) | 10:45 |
| asac | its better to know when there was what release ;) | 10:45 |
| rzr | ok will do | 10:45 |
| asac | rzr: is there no hope that we will get a better upstream version? | 10:45 |
| asac | rzr: like the version they release on amo? | 10:46 |
| rzr | amo ? | 10:46 |
| asac | if not ... maybe we can spot the real release and reversion the snapshot? | 10:46 |
| asac | rzr: addons.mozilla.org | 10:46 |
| * rzr scratches his head | 10:47 | |
| rzr | no i donno how | 10:47 |
| asac | rzr: do you remember this topic at all? | 10:49 |
| asac | our snapshot has a completely different versioning what they release there ... right? | 10:49 |
| asac | (sorry if i confuse flashblock with some other extension that has this phenomenon) | 10:50 |
| rzr | we only add that snapshot suffix | 10:50 |
| rzr | that's the same prefix | 10:50 |
| asac | 1.3.14~a2+snapshot20090627-0ubuntu1 | 10:50 |
| asac | Flashblock 1.5.11.2 | 10:50 |
| asac | https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/433 | 10:51 |
| rzr | the issue was about the 1.3.14~a2 which now goes before 1.3.14 they will release later | 10:51 |
| rzr | 1.3.14 is more compatible than 1.5.11.2 | 10:51 |
| rzr | works w/ seamonkey and friends | 10:51 |
| asac | Install Flashblock 1.5.11 | 10:52 |
| asac | for Firefox 1.5 to 3.6a | 10:52 |
| asac | Netscape 9 and Flock Install Flashblock 1.3.14 | 10:52 |
| asac | for SeaMonkey, Firefox 1.0.x | 10:52 |
| asac | and other browsersah ok | 10:52 |
| asac | rzr: whats the difference? | 10:52 |
| asac | is there any? | 10:52 |
| rzr | i see no advantage to use 1.5 | 10:52 |
| asac | hmm | 10:52 |
| asac | whats the difference then? | 10:52 |
| rzr | i havent check | 10:52 |
| asac | why do they release a 1.5? | 10:52 |
| rzr | good question | 10:52 |
| asac | 2009-06-27: Flashblock 1.5.11 released for Firefox 1.5 to Firefox 3.6a (trunk), Netscape Navigator 9, Flock, and Intel Midbrowser. | 10:52 |
| asac | 2009-06-27: Flashblock 1.3.14 released for Firefox 1.0 to 3.6a, Mozilla Suite 1.7.x, Seamonkey 1.0a to 2.0, Netscape 7 to 9.0, and Flock. | 10:52 |
| asac | whats going on ;) | 10:52 |
| rzr | for netscape9 maybe | 10:52 |
| asac | crazy guyxs | 10:52 |
| rzr | no intel | 10:53 |
| rzr | i donno of this browser is it a branded version of fennec ? | 10:54 |
| asac | midbrowser? | 10:54 |
| rzr | yea | 10:54 |
| asac | i developed that at some point | 10:54 |
| asac | intel doesnt use it anymore | 10:54 |
| asac | they do something with mutter and trunk xulrunner now | 10:54 |
| asac | we have it in the archive even | 10:54 |
| asac | oh its removed again i think | 10:55 |
| rzr | ok i'll test it out on my tablet | 10:55 |
| asac | you can run midbrowser in normal desktop too | 10:55 |
| rzr | sure but it's more use on my freerunner or nit | 10:55 |
| rzr | +ful | 10:55 |
| rzr | btw, have you tested thoses android+ubuntu hacks ? i am about to write an article about this | 10:56 |
| asac | rzr: not personally, i saw demos on it during UDS | 11:02 |
| asac | hi Trouble | 12:02 |
| Trouble | Hello there! | 12:03 |
| asac | Trouble: are you in troubles ;) j.k. | 12:04 |
| jithine | asac: I got it now | 12:14 |
| jithine | asac: no need for full path just to be in top level src dir | 12:15 |
| asac | yeah ;) | 12:16 |
| asac | thx | 12:16 |
| jithine | asac: my problem was that initially i was trying it inside debian/patches directory and it was not working | 12:18 |
| asac | yeah | 12:21 |
| asac | rzr: did you ever get a confirm mail for the flashblock upload? | 12:21 |
| rzr | let me check | 12:22 |
| Trouble | asac: Lol no - Thankfully I'm not. Though my irc client highlights every time someone else is in trouble (and mentions "trouble") :_p | 12:36 |
| asac | lol | 12:45 |
| rzr | asac: no mail from lp today maybe delayed | 12:46 |
| asac | hmm | 12:56 |
| asac | ok | 12:56 |
| asac | the package is in though | 12:56 |
| asac | i actually thought i would get a mail | 12:56 |
| asac | maybe i already deleted it | 12:56 |
| === ejat is now known as e-jat | ||
| fta2 | asac, i fixed Bug 331654 days ago | 13:53 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 331654 in firefox-3.5 "abrowser profile migration is wrong" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/331654 | 13:53 |
| asac | fta2: yes | 13:54 |
| asac | fta2: but not in jaunty ;) | 13:54 |
| asac | https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.5/+bug/331654 | 13:54 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 331654 in firefox-3.5 "abrowser profile migration is wrong" [High,In progress] | 13:54 |
| asac | we need this as pseudo-SRU bug | 13:54 |
| asac | security team busted my plans to push this through -security | 13:55 |
| asac | configure: error: | 13:57 |
| asac | *** Checks for JPEG2000 loader failed. You can build without it by passing | 13:57 |
| asac | *** --without-libjasper to configure | 13:57 |
| asac | what the hell is that | 13:57 |
| asac | ;) | 13:57 |
| asac | maybe everyone can move to jpeg2000 ? ;) | 13:57 |
| fta2 | where does that come from? | 13:59 |
| asac | gtk | 14:00 |
| asac | ./configure | 14:00 |
| asac | its on git head | 14:00 |
| asac | but i think i saw that before | 14:00 |
| asac | libjasper-dev - Development files for the JasPer JPEG-2000 library | 14:01 |
| asac | libjasper1 - The JasPer JPEG-2000 runtime library | 14:01 |
| asac | libjasper-runtime - Programs for manipulating JPEG-2000 files | 14:01 |
| asac | seems to be not decoding, but manipulating and coding | 14:02 |
| rzr | asac: i noticed that it appear in the changelog , but not in the current versions | 14:16 |
| rzr | now it's ok | 14:16 |
| rzr | https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/flashblock | 14:16 |
| rzr | i suppose it's updated once built | 14:17 |
| asac | so xulrunner-1.9.1 and firefox-3.5 ended up in jaunty-propose :/ | 14:38 |
| fta2 | ? | 14:39 |
| armin76 | :D | 14:41 |
| asac | fta2: too much garbage in the upload for direct -security fastpath | 14:41 |
| asac | http://identi.ca/notice/6020569 | 14:42 |
| asac | i didnt want to back out all | 14:42 |
| asac | well i offered to do it | 14:42 |
| asac | but so far things go smooth ;) | 14:42 |
| * asac late lunch for real | 14:45 | |
| asac | mozilla bug 502208 | 14:56 |
| ubottu | Mozilla bug 502208 in Mail Window Front End "Folders do not display, most actions generate _treeElement undefined errors" [Critical,Unconfirmed] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=502208 | 14:56 |
| asac | our tbird 3 daily is busted as it seems | 14:57 |
| asac | maybe missing a file or something | 14:57 |
| * asac off for lunch for real real real ;) | 14:57 | |
| fta2 | asac, i don't use tb at all so i don't know when it breaks, and i don't have much time to fix it anyway. if noone else volunteers, maybe i should drop it from the daily | 15:13 |
| asac | fta2: its ok. | 15:23 |
| asac | nobody mentioned it so its probably recent breakage | 15:23 |
| asac | the idea of dailies is that they break ;) | 15:24 |
| asac | so we notice ;) | 15:24 |
| asac | fta2: did daily run already happen? or in 40 min? | 16:18 |
| asac | ok added missing files for tbird | 16:19 |
| asac | lets hope dailies get ready soon so i can verify ;) | 16:19 |
| fta2 | 40min | 16:19 |
| asac | great | 16:19 |
| * asac glances at builders | 16:20 | |
| asac | seems there is potential for digesting them ;) | 16:20 |
| asac | i386 2 builds waiting in queue | 16:20 |
| asac | amd64 13 builds waiting in queue | 16:20 |
| asac | lpia 14 builds waiting in queue | 16:20 |
| fta2 | most builders are doing something else apparently | 16:21 |
| asac | hmm | 16:22 |
| asac | Building lpia build of firefox-3.6 3.6~a1~hg20090702r29966+nobinonly-0ubuntu1~umd1~hardy in ubuntu hardy RELEASE [ubuntu-mozilla-daily/ppa] | 16:22 |
| asac | is that a late comer? | 16:22 |
| asac | lpia | 16:22 |
| fta2 | xul was broken, i fixed it earlier today | 16:22 |
| asac | thx | 16:22 |
| asac | only on lpia? | 16:22 |
| fta2 | no, all | 16:23 |
| * asac still wondering why he doesnt get any build failure mail anymore | 16:23 | |
| fta2 | http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/ppa-builders.png | 16:35 |
| * asac gets crazy | 17:24 | |
| asac | half of day debugging why ffox 3.5 doesnt honour hint_style | 17:24 |
| asac | it vanishes from font_options somehow | 17:24 |
| * asac feels crazy ;9 | 17:41 | |
| asac | guess have to take a break | 17:42 |
| * asac confused by system/moz-cairo mix in a --disable-system-cairo build | 18:30 | |
| BUGabundo | guud evening | 18:51 |
| asac | hi | 18:51 |
| BUGabundo | hey asac | 18:52 |
| mbana | hello | 18:56 |
| BUGabundo | hello mbana | 18:57 |
| asac | micahg: | 18:59 |
| asac | 14:54 < asac> we need this as pseudo-SRU bug | 18:59 |
| asac | 14:55 < asac> security team busted my plans to push this through -security | 18:59 |
| asac | 14:57 < asac> configure: error: | 18:59 |
| micahg | yes? | 18:59 |
| micahg | asac: which bug? | 19:00 |
| asac | micahg: so firefox-3.5 is now in proposed ;) | 19:00 |
| micahg | ah | 19:00 |
| micahg | ok | 19:00 |
| micahg | :) | 19:00 |
| micahg | thanks | 19:00 |
| asac | micahg: too many non-security changes in packaging | 19:01 |
| BUGabundo | fta: ping | 19:01 |
| asac | so monday most likely | 19:01 |
| micahg | ok | 19:01 |
| micahg | are the packages in teh security ppa and proposed the same? | 19:03 |
| fta | BUGabundo, ? | 19:03 |
| micahg | We've had some possible user agent bugs | 19:03 |
| BUGabundo | fta if you have too many dent from me, you can instead follow my other OMB account! it only has 6 dents/day | 19:04 |
| BUGabundo | http://www.macno.org/denticator/?service=brainbird.co.cc&user=bugabundo | 19:04 |
| BUGabundo | fta http://www.macno.org/denticator/?service=&user=fta&chart=flash | 19:04 |
| BUGabundo | Absolute average: 682 dents since 2009-01-11 (174 days): 3.92 dents/day | 19:04 |
| asac | micahg: yes | 19:04 |
| asac | pfft | 19:05 |
| asac | DirectFB thing is not fixed in thebes yet | 19:05 |
| asac | bug 304033 | 19:07 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 304033 in gwibber "Gwibber doesn't display updates (due to newer webkit/pywebkitgtk builds)" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/304033 | 19:07 |
| asac | MEDIUM | 19:08 |
| asac | crazy guys | 19:08 |
| BUGabundo | aaaahaha | 19:08 |
| BUGabundo | asac: well it did affect a bunch of users | 19:08 |
| BUGabundo | works for me! it always has! | 19:08 |
| BUGabundo | only was affected by a similar bug for 1 day | 19:08 |
| asac | its still broken in karmic | 19:09 |
| asac | guys you should really care for the archive | 19:09 |
| asac | and not only ppas ;) | 19:09 |
| BUGabundo | yeah | 19:09 |
| BUGabundo | asac: it shouldn't even be in archive!!! | 19:09 |
| BUGabundo | it can!! | 19:09 |
| asac | it doesnt help if you run the .head if noone pushes stuff to the archive | 19:09 |
| asac | better keep running archive and bug folks to update gwibber | 19:09 |
| BUGabundo | gwibber is one of those apps that only works on a PPA with often releases | 19:09 |
| asac | i dont think so | 19:09 |
| asac | why would that be the case | 19:10 |
| asac | its just undermaintained from what i understand | 19:10 |
| BUGabundo | or we need to change the rules | 19:10 |
| asac | what rules? | 19:10 |
| asac | gwibber doesnt brake in a stable release | 19:10 |
| BUGabundo | and allow packages to change features on stable release | 19:10 |
| asac | BUGabundo: thats not the problem for this case, is it? | 19:10 |
| BUGabundo | eheh | 19:10 |
| asac | the jaunty version still works from what i know | 19:10 |
| BUGabundo | won't comment on it :) | 19:10 |
| BUGabundo | but no support for jaiku, redent, etc | 19:11 |
| asac | well | 19:11 |
| BUGabundo | or even SSL-less laconica | 19:11 |
| asac | thats a differnt story | 19:11 |
| BUGabundo | its features | 19:11 |
| asac | but thats not a regression | 19:11 |
| * BUGabundo searches for a power socket | 19:11 | |
| asac | what you see in karmic is a regression | 19:11 |
| * BUGabundo finds a power socket in the max reach of power cord :\ | 19:13 | |
| fta | asac, gwibber never releases anything, so it's a random snapshot or nothing | 19:14 |
| BUGabundo | yep | 19:14 |
| BUGabundo | that's right | 19:14 |
| BUGabundo | *if* they had releases, they might be able to fix asac prob! | 19:15 |
| BUGabundo | but they don't even have branches for head and releases | 19:15 |
| fta | i will push a random snapshot but i need to figure out what are those -u2 | 19:16 |
| asac | fta: well. if the random snapshot is stable enough its ok | 19:17 |
| asac | i am commiting now the not-committed releases | 19:17 |
| BUGabundo | what are you both talking about? | 19:19 |
| fta | some guy pushed changes to karmic without using the bzr branch | 19:20 |
| BUGabundo | who and what? | 19:20 |
| BUGabundo | right since this cycle everything is supposed to be in bzr right? | 19:20 |
| asac | fta: yes. i replayed them now and merged from daily. let me check if its good | 19:24 |
| fta | what were the changes? | 19:27 |
| asac | Bah! ... and Ah! ;) | 19:28 |
| asac | first was no change upload | 19:28 |
| asac | second unfixed libwebkit version | 19:28 |
| asac | public timeline is broken for me? | 19:29 |
| asac | you see that too? | 19:29 |
| asac | was there public before? | 19:29 |
| asac | ah ok | 19:30 |
| asac | its a bug | 19:30 |
| asac | i didnt have any public timeline enabled | 19:30 |
| asac | the tab shouldnt be there then | 19:30 |
| asac | or indicate that one has nothing to expect | 19:30 |
| BUGabundo | asac: if you remove it there's no way to get it back | 19:31 |
| BUGabundo | unless you close and start again | 19:31 |
| BUGabundo | eheh | 19:31 |
| asac | it hsould just be hidden and not removable? | 19:31 |
| asac | how do i remove it? | 19:31 |
| BUGabundo | ctrl+w | 19:31 |
| asac | ah its a view | 19:31 |
| asac | view -> public timeline | 19:31 |
| BUGabundo | or mouse middle click | 19:31 |
| asac | works | 19:31 |
| asac | comes back for me | 19:31 |
| BUGabundo | nope | 19:32 |
| BUGabundo | not for me | 19:32 |
| BUGabundo | asac: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/gwibber/+bug/357206 | 19:34 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 357206 in gwibber "[wishlist] Public Timeline Tab" [Wishlist,Fix released] | 19:34 |
| BUGabundo | humm | 19:34 |
| BUGabundo | doenst work for me | 19:34 |
| BUGabundo | LOL | 19:34 |
| BUGabundo | oh wait. diff bug | 19:34 |
| BUGabundo | LOL | 19:34 |
| BUGabundo | nvm | 19:34 |
| asac | BUGabundo: in View menu | 19:35 |
| BUGabundo | I saw it | 19:36 |
| BUGabundo | pressed and pressed again | 19:36 |
| BUGabundo | didn't reopen | 19:36 |
| BUGabundo | then again I don't have the pubic feed enable | 19:36 |
| BUGabundo | let me try that | 19:36 |
| BUGabundo | darn it! it crashed before I got there | 19:37 |
| BUGabundo | asac: ok seems to work | 19:41 |
| asac | thats what i mean ;) | 19:42 |
| asac | BUGabundo: feel like jumping the gun and trying NM trunk? | 19:42 |
| BUGabundo | humm | 19:43 |
| BUGabundo | will it work?? | 19:43 |
| BUGabundo | already running modem manager trunk | 19:43 |
| asac | i think it should work better than the nm 0.7.1 with modemmanager at least | 19:43 |
| BUGabundo | ok | 19:43 |
| asac | https://edge.launchpad.net/~network-manager/+archive/trunk | 19:43 |
| BUGabundo | then I need to remobe MM? | 19:43 |
| asac | thats NM 0.8~a ... and NMA | 19:43 |
| BUGabundo | 0.8?? | 19:43 |
| asac | BUGabundo: the modemmangaer is a copy ... just add the ppa and upgrade | 19:43 |
| asac | BUGabundo: yes nm trunk is 0.8 | 19:43 |
| BUGabundo | I keep MM ppa? | 19:43 |
| BUGabundo | or remove it? | 19:44 |
| asac | BUGabundo: dont need to ... i coped the mm to the trunk ppa too | 19:44 |
| asac | and will keep doing so | 19:44 |
| asac | i am seriously thinking about pushing that to karmic | 19:44 |
| asac | just need initial feedback ;) | 19:44 |
| BUGabundo | and you pick the crist here | 19:45 |
| BUGabundo | ok ok | 19:45 |
| asac | thought you like new stuff ;) | 19:47 |
| BUGabundo | I do! | 19:48 |
| BUGabundo | but I also like it working | 19:49 |
| BUGabundo | eheh | 19:49 |
| BUGabundo | The following packages will be REMOVED: | 19:49 |
| BUGabundo | modemmanager{u} | 19:49 |
| asac | i didnt run the package, but i ran the git tree and it worked well | 19:49 |
| BUGabundo | The following packages will be upgraded: network-manager network-manager-dev network-manager-gnome | 19:49 |
| asac | BUGabundo: removes modemmanager? | 19:50 |
| asac | what does {u} mean? | 19:50 |
| BUGabundo | no idea! | 19:50 |
| BUGabundo | aptitude words | 19:50 |
| asac | BUGabundo: what does sudo apt-get upgrade suggest? | 19:51 |
| BUGabundo | $ apt-cache policy modemmanager | pastebinit | 19:51 |
| BUGabundo | http://paste.ubuntu.com/209211/ | 19:51 |
| BUGabundo | now running aptitude! need to wait | 19:51 |
| asac | BUGabundo: so you accepted that mm gets removed? ok. | 19:52 |
| BUGabundo | sure! | 19:52 |
| BUGabundo | I do what im told | 19:52 |
| BUGabundo | hummm | 19:52 |
| BUGabundo | nm-applet just blew | 19:52 |
| BUGabundo | got a error message but pressed SPACE accidentily | 19:53 |
| BUGabundo | GUI confirmations SHOULD never do that :((( | 19:53 |
| BUGabundo | need to restart | 19:53 |
| BUGabundo | gonna halt and have dinner | 19:53 |
| asac | BUGabundo: install modemmanager also | 19:53 |
| BUGabundo | if I don't come back in 30/40 min its your fault! | 19:53 |
| BUGabundo | LOL | 19:53 |
| asac | its not getting removed fir me ;) | 19:53 |
| asac | you should really dump aptitude | 19:53 |
| asac | thats really an annoying package management frontend | 19:54 |
| BUGabundo | installed | 19:54 |
| BUGabundo | asac: its much better then apt-get to manage confilcts | 19:54 |
| BUGabundo | even a simple aptitude update tells you much more | 19:54 |
| asac | well. but it sometimes does stupid things that are really unexpected | 19:55 |
| BUGabundo | asac: bugs in depencies | 19:57 |
| BUGabundo | ? | 19:57 |
| mbana | i;m glad the font bug was given high status | 19:58 |
| BUGabundo | asac: fta: apport failing to open FF? | 19:58 |
| asac | not sure | 19:59 |
| asac | BUGabundo: do you see anything in .xsession-errors? | 19:59 |
| asac | mbana: which font bug are you seeing? | 19:59 |
| BUGabundo | a lot !? | 19:59 |
| BUGabundo | its always filed | 19:59 |
| BUGabundo | lol | 19:59 |
| mbana | asac: the 3.5 | 20:00 |
| asac | BUGabundo: see you something that looks like its firefox failing | 20:00 |
| asac | mbana: are you on jaunty? | 20:00 |
| BUGabundo | no | 20:00 |
| asac | mbana: or karmic? | 20:00 |
| BUGabundo | pastebining | 20:00 |
| mbana | januty | 20:01 |
| asac | mbana: which cairo version is installed there? | 20:01 |
| asac | mbana: are you running our firefox build? | 20:02 |
| mbana | no ... repo | 20:02 |
| asac | mbana: what does repo mean? | 20:02 |
| asac | you mean archive.ubuntu.com ? | 20:02 |
| mbana | asac: main repo sir. | 20:02 |
| asac | k | 20:02 |
| asac | mbana: and your sympomts are that the gnome font hinting settings are not used? | 20:03 |
| mbana | to be honest, i'm not entirely sure. i just want it to have the same rendering as ff 3.1, shall i try a ppa? | 20:03 |
| asac | mbana: no. | 20:03 |
| asac | mbana: what you ned to check is if the rendering is the same as the rendering of other apps on the desktop | 20:04 |
| asac | like other gnome apps | 20:04 |
| asac | thats the baseline we have to compare against | 20:04 |
| asac | ffox 3.0 might have been buggy - even though it might have been fortunately for you buggy. | 20:04 |
| mbana | yes. ff 3.1 is using the desktop rendering. ff 3.5 isn't | 20:05 |
| asac | but what we should aim for is that firefox has the same fonts in the menu etc. that are used in other menus | 20:05 |
| asac | mbana: so your problem is only in the content area? | 20:05 |
| asac | e.g. on the html pages? | 20:05 |
| asac | or also the menu fonts, etc. | 20:05 |
| mbana | precisely. | 20:05 |
| mbana | no the menus are perfect | 20:05 |
| mbana | it's the content area, as you sya. | 20:06 |
| BUGabundo | dinner and a reboot | 20:06 |
| BUGabundo | bbl , I hope ;) | 20:07 |
| asac | mbana: does that problem go away if you disallow websites choosing their own fonts? (in preferences -> conten -> fonts ...) | 20:08 |
| asac | which bug if was that again? | 20:08 |
| mbana | it's ff 3.5 rendering something, i can't recall the exact name | 20:09 |
| mbana | brb | 20:09 |
| asac | bug 379761 | 20:11 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 379761 in firefox-3.5 "FF 3.5 font hinting" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/379761 | 20:11 |
| * asac goes off to dinner ;) | 20:28 | |
| reed | yawnmoo | 20:31 |
| BUGabundo | asac: I'm here. so at least wifi works | 20:46 |
| BUGabundo | will test 3g latter | 20:47 |
| === asac_ is now known as asac | ||
| BUGabundo | asac: read it ? | 20:57 |
| BUGabundo | mbana: ping what conclusion did you get from the Fonts issue? | 20:58 |
| BUGabundo | asac: users on locoteam complaing about FF3.5 fonts, they look like bold! | 21:02 |
| BUGabundo | asac: https://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.feedback.firefox.prerelease/browse_thread/thread/44a6ad4702915b95?fwc=1 | 21:07 |
| BUGabundo | FF3.5 plus Google toolbar | 21:07 |
| BUGabundo | makes FF lose tooltips | 21:07 |
| BUGabundo | I know its not a FF bug, but I've asked the user to put it on LP so you can dupe others | 21:08 |
| BUGabundo | micahg: ping ^^^^^^^^ | 21:08 |
| micahg | BUGabundo: pong | 21:08 |
| micahg | BUGabundo: I don't see any such thing with RC2 | 21:09 |
| BUGabundo | micahg: users just reported it to me, and said removing Gbar fixed it | 21:10 |
| micahg | ah | 21:10 |
| micahg | I don't have google toolbar | 21:10 |
| micahg | maybe they should fix their toolbar | 21:10 |
| BUGabundo | yep | 21:10 |
| BUGabundo | they know about it | 21:10 |
| BUGabundo | but users may report it against FF on LP | 21:10 |
| micahg | ok | 21:11 |
| micahg | thanks for the headsup | 21:11 |
| BUGabundo | micahg: another one: fonts as BOLD | 21:15 |
| BUGabundo | https://www.getdropbox.com/gallery/921561/1/Screenshots?h=5c8570 | 21:15 |
| BUGabundo | see two last images | 21:15 |
| micahg | that firefox-lp is speeding up triage | 21:18 |
| BUGabundo | micahg: fta: asac: https://labs.mozilla.com/2009/03/firefox-new-tab-next-iteration/ | 21:18 |
| BUGabundo | really kewl | 21:18 |
| micahg | asac: is it offically listed anywhere that proper updates for Firefox in Ubuntu is through Synaptic? | 21:20 |
| micahg | I keep getting bug reports for it | 21:20 |
| mbana | BUGabundo: i'm not sure what to do. all i can say is, the menu, as asac mentioned, is rendering correctly, the page isn't | 21:22 |
| asac | BUGabundo: isnt that old? | 21:22 |
| asac | BUGabundo: great. so NM trunk works ok? | 21:23 |
| BUGabundo | asac: any apt front end should do it! | 21:28 |
| fta | grrrr... http://paste.ubuntu.com/209269/ | 21:28 |
| BUGabundo | asac: works | 21:28 |
| BUGabundo | asac: old what? | 21:28 |
| BUGabundo | micahg: : any apt front end should do it! sorry asac | 21:28 |
| micahg | BUGabundo: agreed | 21:29 |
| micahg | but does it say that anywhere | 21:29 |
| micahg | peoples keep asking about the greyed out update option | 21:29 |
| micahg | especially now that they want ff3.5 | 21:29 |
| BUGabundo | micahg: mirrors still updating? | 21:30 |
| BUGabundo | micahg: both my mirrors have it $ apt-cache policy firefox-3.5 |pastebinit | 21:30 |
| BUGabundo | http://paste.ubuntu.com/209271/ | 21:30 |
| BUGabundo | asac: what's up with mutt?!?! | 21:32 |
| micahg | BUGabundo: that's karmic. not jaunty | 21:35 |
| BUGabundo | LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL | 21:36 |
| BUGabundo | totally missed my mind | 21:36 |
| micahg | asac: I'm just wondering what I can tell a guy who I've been waiting to reply on a bug | 21:37 |
| micahg | about if it officially states anywhere that apt updates FF and not the menu option | 21:37 |
| BUGabundo | micahg: ask apt-cache policy firefox-3.5 | 21:39 |
| micahg | BUGabundo: you want to see my rsults? | 21:39 |
| micahg | BUGabundo: http://pastebin.com/f3037a61d | 21:40 |
| BUGabundo | archive on b4?? | 21:42 |
| micahg | BUGabundo: jaunty | 21:42 |
| BUGabundo | what ppa has .1 ? | 21:42 |
| micahg | moz-daily | 21:42 |
| BUGabundo | didn't jaunty also got -security ? | 21:42 |
| micahg | BUGabundo: not yet, that's what asac was going on about earlier | 21:43 |
| micahg | BUGabundo: my question though is about documentation | 21:43 |
| BUGabundo | all week ? ;) | 21:43 |
| BUGabundo | micahg: no documentaion !! PPL have to wait! | 21:43 |
| micahg | BUGabundo: about the menu option, not when the update wil happen | 21:44 |
| BUGabundo | the update menu HAS always been disable | 21:45 |
| BUGabundo | we get updates from archive | 21:45 |
| micahg | BUGabundo: that doesn't help new users | 21:45 |
| micahg | you and I know that | 21:45 |
| BUGabundo | o what?? | 21:46 |
| BUGabundo | aren't they running a stable system? | 21:46 |
| BUGabundo | s/o/so/ | 21:46 |
| micahg | BUGabundo: new users coming from windows expect firefox to behave the same | 21:46 |
| micahg | someone was commenting on how it would be nice if the menu option being disabled was documented | 21:47 |
| micahg | I'm just wondering if it is before I reply | 21:47 |
| BUGabundo | so they expect Virus the same!?! | 21:47 |
| BUGabundo | or Exporer? | 21:47 |
| micahg | otherwise, I'll throw somethign on the wiki | 21:47 |
| BUGabundo | or MSFT office? or to pay for it? | 21:47 |
| micahg | no, FF in Windows checks for updates within the browser | 21:47 |
| BUGabundo | its a diff OS with diff way to keep the system | 21:48 |
| micahg | BUGabundo: agreed, but it would be nice if it was documented | 21:48 |
| BUGabundo | micahg: FF on Win is no FF on Linux | 21:48 |
| micahg | BUGabundo: I'm going to update help.ubuntu.com for people | 21:50 |
| BUGabundo | ok | 21:50 |
| BUGabundo | you have perm for that one ? | 21:51 |
| micahg | yep :) | 21:51 |
| micahg | I think everyone does | 21:51 |
| BUGabundo | nope | 21:53 |
| BUGabundo | almost no one does | 21:53 |
| BUGabundo | wiki.ubuntu, yes | 21:53 |
| BUGabundo | help.u no! | 21:53 |
| micahg | BUGabundo: wfm | 21:55 |
| BUGabundo | ah? | 21:55 |
| fta | asac, http://launchpadlibrarian.net/28670842/buildlog_ubuntu-karmic-i386.thunderbird-3.0_3.0~b3~hg20090703r3009%2Bnobinonly-0ubuntu1~umd1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz | 21:56 |
| micahg | BUGabundo: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion | 21:56 |
| asac | sorry irssi didnt continue to scroll | 21:57 |
| asac | so i didnt see any msg ;) | 21:57 |
| BUGabundo | lolol | 21:57 |
| BUGabundo | I have no idea what I told you before either | 21:57 |
| asac | micahg: i dont think that its officially documented that ubuntu firefox doesnt use the mozilla auto update feature | 21:57 |
| BUGabundo | ahah | 21:57 |
| asac | micahg: not sure where do document something like that | 21:57 |
| micahg | asac: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion | 21:57 |
| asac | micahg: maybe a FAQ page? | 21:57 |
| micahg | just added it to the introduction | 21:57 |
| asac | BUGabundo: old: the new-tab blog entry you posted | 21:57 |
| BUGabundo | ahhh | 21:58 |
| BUGabundo | new to me | 21:58 |
| asac | BUGabundo: mutt: i dont know. usually it asked me if i want to move seen mail to inbox-seen or something ... but it stopped doing that apparently in one of the karmic updates | 21:58 |
| micahg | asac: does that post on help.ubuntu work? | 21:58 |
| asac | micahg: "tell a guy that didnt answer". depends if the bug doesnt look like a gem, just set it to invalid and say that if he has the info, he should reopen the bug | 21:59 |
| BUGabundo | asac: it's a mutt profile rule/option. maybe default changed! | 21:59 |
| micahg | asac: Oh, I've already responded, the bug was too big to begin with | 21:59 |
| asac | fta: damn ;) | 21:59 |
| micahg | asac: I'm just wondering if what I posted was ok on help.ubuntu | 21:59 |
| asac | micahg: which post on help.ubuntu? | 22:00 |
| asac | where? | 22:00 |
| micahg | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion | 22:00 |
| fta | http://paste.ubuntu.com/209289/ :( | 22:00 |
| BUGabundo | asac: micahg already pasted it 3 times | 22:00 |
| micahg | asac: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion | 22:00 |
| asac | micahg: did you create that page now or did that exist before? | 22:00 |
| asac | nice | 22:00 |
| micahg | it existed before | 22:00 |
| micahg | I edited the Intro | 22:00 |
| micahg | I added the last 2 lines | 22:00 |
| asac | micahg: not sure if we should really put firefox 3.5 on it ... it will get old and if nobody cleans it up the help site looks outdated | 22:01 |
| asac | ok | 22:01 |
| micahg | asac: I didn't do that | 22:01 |
| asac | just remember to remove the firefox 3.5 news when its done | 22:01 |
| micahg | asac: I don't maintain it :) | 22:01 |
| micahg | asac: What I posted was timeless | 22:01 |
| micahg | unless we move from apt to yum :) | 22:01 |
| asac | ok | 22:01 |
| asac | micahg: but now you touched it and so you own it ;) | 22:02 |
| micahg | agh | 22:02 |
| asac | jk | 22:02 |
| micahg | yeah | 22:02 |
| micahg | that's the beauty of this team, right asac? | 22:02 |
| asac | hehe | 22:02 |
| micahg | now I have to get some work work done | 22:02 |
| asac | fta: great. this gzip error looks awful famlilar | 22:03 |
| asac | what does python do to tar? | 22:03 |
| asac | it also happens with cdbs and bzr bd some times | 22:03 |
| fta | micahg, there's not such things as an "early alpha of Firefox 3.5.1". Now that 3.5 is released, all 3.5.* are just minor releases, so 3.5.1pre is not alpha at all, it's an intermediate snapshot between minor releases | 22:04 |
| asac | fta: its only -xf | 22:04 |
| micahg | fta: I didnt't write it | 22:04 |
| asac | where is the -z | 22:04 |
| micahg | you're welcome to edit it...it's community docs | 22:04 |
| fta | asac, missing, but it's the same | 22:05 |
| fta | http://paste.ubuntu.com/209297/ | 22:06 |
| micahg | fta: I'll look at the page over the weekend | 22:08 |
| asac | fta: i dont understand why without a -z there is a gzip problem | 22:08 |
| asac | anyway. seems like python does somethig harmful to subprocesses pipes | 22:08 |
| fta | indeed | 22:09 |
| * asac wonders how a parent process could prevent chils processes from doing proper pipes | 22:09 | |
| asac | especially accidentially | 22:09 |
| asac | fta: can you reproduce that? | 22:10 |
| asac | fta: with a small tarball? | 22:10 |
| asac | if so file a bug please and let someone familiar with python look at that | 22:10 |
| asac | or check python upstream | 22:10 |
| asac | or does that only happen with builddeb | 22:10 |
| asac | ? | 22:10 |
| mbana | asac: obviously, u don't want my reply on that bug do you? the menu stuff | 22:11 |
| asac | mbana: the menu stuff? | 22:12 |
| === BUGabundo1 is now known as BUGabundo | ||
| asac | i replied on the font bug i thought this was it about | 22:12 |
| asac | you didnt give me the bug id ;) | 22:12 |
| asac | or did you? | 22:12 |
| mbana | that's it | 22:12 |
| fta | asac, http://paste.ubuntu.com/209301/ | 22:14 |
| asac | mbana: whats it? | 22:14 |
| asac | i didnt see anything posted by you | 22:14 |
| asac | fta: and doing the same tarball in a while loop? | 22:15 |
| mbana | no, i asked if you want me to confirm if the menu uses diff rendering, amybe to the benefit of others | 22:15 |
| asac | mbana: so bug 379761 ? | 22:16 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 379761 in firefox-3.5 "FF 3.5 font hinting" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/379761 | 22:16 |
| mbana | yes, i reported it | 22:16 |
| asac | mbana: yes. seems all the others on the bug dont see the bug you wanted to file | 22:17 |
| asac | ok retitled | 22:17 |
| asac | 379761 | 22:17 |
| asac | please update the bug. sy that upstream build has problems everywhere | 22:17 |
| asac | and that archive packages are ok, in chrome, but have problems on website | 22:17 |
| asac | also be verbose about what you consider a problem. i didnt really see the problem/difference in your screenshot. i only see that its different. whether ffox 3 is right or 3.5 is still a mystery to me | 22:19 |
| mbana | how do you want me to prove it | 22:21 |
| asac | i dont want you to prove | 22:22 |
| asac | i want to you identify whats the difference is | 22:22 |
| asac | then we have to check on code if that difference is a bug or a fix | 22:22 |
| mbana | asac, look at the content of the page and look at the gnome task panel | 22:23 |
| asac | mbana: well. the content of the page probably uses a different font ... e.g. whatever the website wants | 22:23 |
| mbana | and on that screenshot, even the menus aren't rendering correctly, but it seems to be fixed now | 22:23 |
| asac | mbana: if you want the same font for sans that is used in the task panel | 22:23 |
| asac | you have to prevent website selecting their own fonts | 22:23 |
| asac | (e.g. Preferences -> Content -> Fonts -> Settings... ") | 22:23 |
| asac | or something | 22:23 |
| asac | mbana: consider to check if you have the same setting in 3.0 as in 3.5 | 22:24 |
| mbana | all the fonts --- ff 3.1 and 3.5 and the task panel --- are the same | 22:24 |
| mbana | dejavu sans | 22:24 |
| asac | mbana: can you also post the url in the bug to reproduce what you snapshotted | 22:24 |
| mbana | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memoization | 22:24 |
| mbana | asac: that screen is from a first launch of FF 3.1 and 3.5, nothing was tweeked | 22:26 |
| asac | mbana: for me both look identical | 22:26 |
| asac | mbana: mbana 3.1 = 3.0? | 22:26 |
| asac | (e.e.g there is no 3.1) | 22:26 |
| mbana | yes, sorry | 22:26 |
| asac | mbana: so in about:config | 22:26 |
| asac | browser.display.use_document_fonts | 22:26 |
| asac | is set to 0 in ffox 3 and 3.5? | 22:26 |
| mbana | 1 in both. but i don't want to set it to 0, i prefer to use the font the site was specified | 22:27 |
| mbana | maybe, you post a binary on the bug report so others can confirm the behaviour | 22:28 |
| mbana | unfortunately, builds from mozilla are just hideous | 22:28 |
| asac | mbana: yeah. just please check: | 22:29 |
| asac | if you set it in 3.0 to 0 | 22:29 |
| asac | and keep it in 3.5 to 1 | 22:29 |
| asac | does it look identical? | 22:29 |
| mbana | yes, it's 1 in 3.0 | 22:29 |
| mbana | browser.display.use_document_fonts;1 | 22:29 |
| BUGabundo | micahg: link to ppa with 3,5 final ? | 22:33 |
| micahg | https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-security/+archive/ppa | 22:33 |
| BUGabundo | asac: LOLOLOLOL if I place 3.6 on full screen, it won't come out OLOLOLOL fta can you test ? | 22:36 |
| asac | mbana: so what i did: 1. create a new user account. log-in | 22:37 |
| asac | start ffox 3.0 and ffox 3.5 next to each other | 22:37 |
| asac | and the fonts look exactly the same | 22:37 |
| mbana | please take a screen. is this your personal build? | 22:37 |
| asac | mbana: no. its the build from daily PPA | 22:38 |
| micahg | BUGabundo: with F11? | 22:38 |
| asac | but that should be the same as 3.5 final | 22:38 |
| BUGabundo | micahg: yes | 22:38 |
| asac | ok i take a screen ... let me re log in | 22:38 |
| micahg | BUGabundo: wfm on jaunty | 22:38 |
| BUGabundo | karmic FF3.6 | 22:39 |
| BUGabundo | daily | 22:39 |
| micahg | BUGabundo: I'm 2 days behind | 22:39 |
| micahg | on ff3.6 | 22:39 |
| BUGabundo | LOL | 22:39 |
| micahg | let me upgrade | 22:39 |
| BUGabundo | so that I know what to replies to unpacient users: asac what's delaying FF3.5 (the hally grail Final, and oficial branding) on jaunty archive? | 22:40 |
| BUGabundo | getting tired of ppl asking for it | 22:40 |
| mbana | it'll be a sin to release it until this font bug is fixed ;) | 22:41 |
| micahg | BUGabundo: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2009/07/03/%23ubuntu-mozillateam.txt aroung 13:50 | 22:41 |
| micahg | and 19:00 | 22:42 |
| micahg | BUGabundo: confirmed with 0703 daily | 22:44 |
| asac | mbana: http://people.ubuntu.com/~asac/tmp/Screenshot2.png | 22:44 |
| BUGabundo | thanks micahg | 22:44 |
| BUGabundo | micahg: thanks | 22:44 |
| BUGabundo | care to file it? | 22:44 |
| micahg | BUGabundo: worked fine on 0701 | 22:44 |
| BUGabundo | I'm a very slow net | 22:44 |
| mbana | asac: ok seems like you got slight hinting. have you tried setting the hinting to full? because i believe that's when u notice a difference | 22:45 |
| BUGabundo | fta its your deal | 22:45 |
| micahg | BUGabundo: nope, I've gotta finish a project up before Monday | 22:45 |
| BUGabundo | we got it bisected | 22:45 |
| BUGabundo | errr | 22:45 |
| BUGabundo | how do I remove it now ?!? LOL | 22:45 |
| asac | mbana: so in gnome settings? | 22:45 |
| asac | or in fontconfig? | 22:45 |
| mbana | yes, or even in .fonts.conf, what u prefer | 22:45 |
| mbana | how can i do it through fontconfig? | 22:45 |
| asac | btw that info _needs_ to be in the bug | 22:46 |
| asac | mbana: err. please remove fonts.conf | 22:46 |
| asac | firefox 3.0 has bugs in fontconfig processing | 22:46 |
| asac | so that might make a difference | 22:46 |
| asac | just use gnome-settings | 22:46 |
| asac | and dont touch .fonts.conf | 22:46 |
| asac | otherwise i need the .fonts.conf for sure | 22:47 |
| asac | to see if its a bug or not | 22:47 |
| asac | (attach to bug too) | 22:47 |
| asac | mbana: yeah so with full hinting its different | 22:49 |
| asac | (gnome-settings) | 22:49 |
| asac | let me check fontconfig full hinting | 22:49 |
| mbana | (when i try to switch user, my internet connection seems to die, for instance, xchat will disconnect. something wrong on my end? u checking on another machine?) | 22:50 |
| BUGabundo | asac: now I'll try 3G | 22:51 |
| BUGabundo | brb | 22:51 |
| asac | mbana: ok. you can mark the connection in connection editor as "available to all users" | 22:52 |
| asac | mbana: then its a system wide connection and wont die | 22:52 |
| BUGabundo | asac: not so good news: NM doesn't see 3G modem! | 22:55 |
| asac | mbana: ok so please update the bug summary: add that this happens when hinting is set to full. also give the example URL | 22:56 |
| asac | i could reproduce it, so there is something i can work on at least ;) | 22:56 |
| mbana | wo ha | 22:56 |
| micahg | asac: you still work on NM>? | 22:57 |
| mbana | i'll paste in the this chat session, if you don't mind | 22:57 |
| micahg | mbana: if it's more than one line, paste to pastebin | 22:58 |
| asac | micahg: yes | 23:01 |
| asac | micahg: use paste.ubuntu.com ;) | 23:01 |
| asac | mbana: ^ ;) | 23:01 |
| micahg | asac: what to do with crash reports on 3.5b4? | 23:02 |
| BUGabundo | !paste | mbana | 23:04 |
| ubottu | mbana: pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://imagebin.org/index.php?page=add | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic | 23:04 |
| asac | micahg: if they have no way to reproduce and no recent duplicates, maybe wait to see if 3.5 final brings in duplicates | 23:04 |
| mbana | lol | 23:04 |
| asac | micahg: otherwise close | 23:04 |
| micahg | ok, so I'll wait till next weekend | 23:05 |
| micahg | BUGabundo: next time use > instead of |, that's almost as bad a not using pastebin :) | 23:05 |
| BUGabundo | ahahah | 23:06 |
| BUGabundo | right | 23:06 |
| asac | mbana: try | 23:13 |
| asac | pango-view -t "is the process of committing " --backend=xft --font="Sans 10" | 23:13 |
| asac | pango-view -t "is the process of committing " --backend=cairo --font="Sans 10" | 23:13 |
| asac | mbana: is that exactly like "3.5 vs. 3.0" (in that order) | 23:13 |
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| asac | thats the text from the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memorization | 23:14 |
| asac | wiki page ;) | 23:14 |
| mbana | i think the cairo one is ebtter | 23:16 |
| mbana | u want a screen | 23:16 |
| asac | thats not what i asked | 23:16 |
| asac | no | 23:16 |
| asac | 00:13 < asac> mbana: is that exactly like "3.5 vs. 3.0" (in that order) | 23:16 |
| BUGabundo | asac: asac asac I need 3G back!!! | 23:16 |
| asac | ? | 23:16 |
| asac | BUGabundo: doesnt the modemmanager stuff work? | 23:16 |
| mbana | ok then it seems like it | 23:16 |
| asac | seems or _is_ | 23:17 |
| asac | thats important | 23:17 |
| BUGabundo | asac: no idea! it doesn't show modem in there | 23:17 |
| asac | my eyes are bad and i dont see any font specifics ;) | 23:17 |
| BUGabundo | $ apt-cache policy modemmanager Installed: 0.2.git5.ef0a604dc-0ubuntu1~mm1 | 23:17 |
| asac | BUGabundo: is modem-manager running? | 23:17 |
| mbana | yes it is dude | 23:17 |
| BUGabundo | $ apt-cache policy network-manager Installed: 0.8~a~git.20090702t164632.9c8e600-0ubuntu1~nmt1 | 23:17 |
| asac | mbana: good ... also add that to the bug ;) | 23:18 |
| BUGabundo | asac: how do I check? | 23:18 |
| asac | so i think have to check why its xft now ;) | 23:18 |
| asac | or rather, why xft doesnt do full hinting | 23:18 |
| asac | seems like its the same as slight? | 23:18 |
| asac | BUGabundo: ps -eaf | grep modem | 23:18 |
| BUGabundo | asac: root 3342 1 0 20:39 ? 00:00:00 /usr/sbin/modem-manager | 23:19 |
| asac | BUGabundo: stop NetworkManager, then sudo killall modem-manager | 23:20 |
| asac | then start it on command line like: | 23:20 |
| asac | sudo modem-manager --debug | 23:20 |
| asac | what does it print | 23:20 |
| asac | ? | 23:20 |
| BUGabundo | humm ok | 23:20 |
| BUGabundo | that will kill my wifi | 23:20 |
| BUGabundo | so hang on while I reconnect | 23:20 |
| asac | BUGabundo: did you restart your X session? | 23:21 |
| BUGabundo | I rebootede! | 23:21 |
| asac | ah ok | 23:21 |
| asac | and you have 0.8~a for nm and nm-applet? | 23:21 |
| asac | then run mm as i said above | 23:21 |
| BUGabundo | asac: what's the package fot the applet ? | 23:22 |
| asac | network-manager-gnome | 23:22 |
| BUGabundo | asac: Installed: 0.8~a~git.20090701t182005.3bec17d-0ubuntu1~nmt1 | 23:23 |
| asac | k | 23:23 |
| BUGabundo | gonna test debug | 23:23 |
| BUGabundo | brb | 23:23 |
| asac | <wa | 23:23 |
| BUGabundo | wait? | 23:23 |
| asac | BUGabundo: also:; what modem are you having? | 23:23 |
| BUGabundo | huawei E220 | 23:23 |
| asac | ok | 23:24 |
| asac | in general that should work i think ;) | 23:24 |
| asac | so start it with --debug | 23:24 |
| asac | you might need a hal-info entry | 23:24 |
| BUGabundo | again? | 23:24 |
| asac | did your modem work before we switched to udev? | 23:24 |
| BUGabundo | worked up until I installed 0.8 | 23:24 |
| asac | BUGabundo: no ... for now just get the --debug | 23:24 |
| BUGabundo | every day for every karmic cycle | 23:24 |
| BUGabundo | ok | 23:25 |
| BUGabundo | /etc/init.d/NM stop | 23:25 |
| micahg | asac: Is security ppa missing ff branding? | 23:30 |
| BUGabundo | asac: http://paste.ubuntu.com/209348/ | 23:30 |
| BUGabundo | asac: debug doesn't help much | 23:30 |
| BUGabundo | it detects it but I still can't connect to it | 23:30 |
| asac | micahg: intentionally yes | 23:31 |
| asac | BUGabundo: if you connect the --debug should hav espit out quite a lot | 23:32 |
| micahg | ok, what do I tell people, wait for Jaunty release for branding? | 23:32 |
| BUGabundo | asac: that's all I have | 23:32 |
| asac | BUGabundo: do you see your modem in the applet? | 23:32 |
| BUGabundo | no | 23:32 |
| BUGabundo | with or without NM running | 23:32 |
| asac | micahg: in jaunty 3.5 will stay unbranded we we only ship one branded firefox for every release | 23:33 |
| asac | users should consider firefox-3.5 a preview service | 23:33 |
| micahg | asac: that seems a little weird | 23:33 |
| asac | no | 23:33 |
| asac | why ;) | 23:33 |
| asac | one principal of stable updates is to not change the UI | 23:33 |
| asac | changing branding is a big UI change | 23:33 |
| micahg | If it's a legitimate release, then it shoudl be branded, it'll screw up with user agents and such | 23:33 |
| asac | yes. firefox 3.5 in karmic will be an official build with branding. but not in jaunty | 23:34 |
| BUGabundo | asac: still 3.5 is A LOT of Feature changes too | 23:34 |
| asac | jaunty is a preview package and its not stabilitized, didnt undergo trademark and patch review etc. | 23:34 |
| asac | BUGabundo: it has. but we had firefox-3.5 in jaunty | 23:35 |
| micahg | asac: ah, that's a different story | 23:35 |
| asac | just in universe | 23:35 |
| micahg | ah, so we only brand the pacakges in main? | 23:35 |
| BUGabundo | asac: HHHAAAA | 23:35 |
| asac | micahg: but its not only the trademark. its really that changing branding in a security/stable update is not the way to go ... we released teh firefox-3.5 with shiretoko branding in jaunty; so it should stay shiretoke all release | 23:35 |
| asac | micahg: we only brand packages in main yes. | 23:36 |
| micahg | ok, but that'll cause problems for sites that try to dynamically provide HTML5 based on user agent | 23:36 |
| asac | micahg: but we also dont change branding post release | 23:36 |
| micahg | should I suggest people install the karmic version? | 23:36 |
| asac | micahg: it has the right gecko version i | 23:36 |
| asac | n | 23:36 |
| BUGabundo | micahg: ok ok you have yiour anwser | 23:36 |
| micahg | or just install useragentswitcher? | 23:37 |
| asac | micahg: also its done in js anyway | 23:37 |
| BUGabundo | now let me own asac for a few minutes | 23:37 |
| asac | user agents are not ment to be used for that | 23:37 |
| asac | we try to stop sites doing that | 23:37 |
| asac | BUGabundo: so nothing in applet? | 23:37 |
| BUGabundo | nope asac | 23:37 |
| asac | BUGabundo: and in syslog? | 23:37 |
| micahg | asac: Yes, ideally everything should be standards based, but that's hard | 23:37 |
| micahg | ok | 23:37 |
| asac | micahg: yes. but we dont run after the web | 23:37 |
| asac | micahg: most sites will work | 23:38 |
| micahg | so, I'll tell people it can;t be branded | 23:38 |
| micahg | and mark won't fix? | 23:38 |
| asac | and the sites that dont work usually also dont work if you have the right string | 23:38 |
| asac | because the see "linux" and say: "unsupported OS" | 23:38 |
| asac | micahg: tell them it will not be branded. | 23:38 |
| micahg | ok | 23:38 |
| asac | micahg: dont explain the trademark story etc. | 23:38 |
| asac | that doesnt matter. changing branding is just not allowed in stable update. thats it | 23:38 |
| micahg | ok | 23:39 |
| micahg | will do asac, thanks | 23:39 |
| asac | people go nuts if you give them too many things. they start to argue about specific points etc. | 23:39 |
| asac | its not worth it | 23:39 |
| asac | and whatever you do, the people complaining will always be loud and unhappy | 23:39 |
| fta | X crashed during apt-get upgrade :( | 23:39 |
| asac | the happy folks you dont hear about ;) | 23:39 |
| asac | thats how it is ;) | 23:40 |
| fta | 2nd time in 2 days | 23:40 |
| asac | BUGabundo: do you have a syslog? | 23:40 |
| asac | like a complete thing ;)? | 23:40 |
| BUGabundo | asac: trying to pastebin | 23:41 |
| BUGabundo | darn wifi :(( | 23:41 |
| asac | k | 23:41 |
| asac | fta: chipset? | 23:41 |
| asac | fta: on .31? | 23:41 |
| fta | nvidia | 23:41 |
| asac | you are lucky that X works at all | 23:41 |
| fta | yes | 23:41 |
| asac | my ati freezes when X is started | 23:41 |
| asac | intel works | 23:41 |
| asac | ati only with .30 | 23:41 |
| asac | BUGabundo: i need the full syslog as usualy ;) | 23:42 |
| fta | crash in evdev_drv | 23:44 |
| fta | doesn't seem to be HW related | 23:44 |
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| asac | BUGabundo: ok i follow and upgrade to your mm trunk thing ;) | 23:50 |
| BUGabundo | ah | 23:51 |
| BUGabundo | ? | 23:51 |
| asac | bad time for 3g | 23:52 |
| asac | NM ppa broken | 23:52 |
| asac | trunk ppa broken | 23:52 |
| asac | mm ppa works? | 23:52 |
| asac | or didnt that work for you? | 23:52 |
| asac | slow archive mirrors | 23:53 |
| asac | me takes a break | 23:53 |
| asac | its really high humidity | 23:53 |
| BUGabundo | ahah | 23:57 |
| BUGabundo | humm asac I was using MM ppa | 23:57 |
| BUGabundo | and working | 23:57 |
| BUGabundo | with NM from archive | 23:57 |
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