[00:00] anyway, i think its made for releases where its clear how to get the tarball if you want to reproduce something [00:00] but i agree its probably more in line with the original spirit of it ;) [00:01] we discussed that last year or 2 years ago in the motu channel, we ended-up with get-current-source doing what you want [00:01] asac: any idea when ff3 [00:01] .5 will hit jaunty? [00:01] fta: what i want? ;) [00:02] tarball matching d/changelog [00:02] most of my rules files are providing that too [00:03] right. i remember get-current-source now [00:03] but we had problems implementing that for mozillas accurately, right? [00:03] or was that just with CVS? [00:04] we need a reverse mapping for the tags. it's fine when it's a snapshot as it contains the proper rev-id [00:04] or date [00:05] yeah thats what i thought [00:05] what do you think of http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=15889 ? [00:05] i wonder if bzr merge-options would be something we could use to have bzr branches that can reproduce the tarball if needed [00:05] merge-upstream ;) [00:05] not sure if bzr is up to that nowadays ;) [00:06] e.g. mirroring daily progress of moz central for instance [00:07] fta: sounds wrong for gnome. but chrome folks have to deide whether the want a unique experience accross platforms [00:07] the problem with bzr mirrors is that we loose the upstream revisions, it's a pain when filing bugs [00:07] or a slightly different one [00:07] that obeys native laf [00:07] fta: i dont mean bzr mirrors [00:08] fta: bzr builddeb has a merge-upstream feature now [00:08] or is it bzr? [00:08] anyway ... its basically if you get a new tarball, you say: merge-upstream and then it will update the internal upstream branch [00:08] and in future you can export tarballs independently that have matching checksum [00:08] so its basically just a recorded "orig" bump [00:08] like when you say "new upstream snapshot" [00:09] that would be equivalent to a merge-upstream commit combined with bumping changelog [00:09] so workflow would be: [00:09] ./debian/rules get-orig-source [00:09] bzr merge-upstream *orig.tar.gz [00:10] and then you can just do bzr bd --export-upstream ... to get the upstream [00:10] orig.tar.gz [00:11] bzr help merge-upstream [00:11] Takes a new upstream version and merges it in to your branch, so that your [00:11] packaging changes are applied to the new version. [00:11] [00:11] You must supply the source to import from, and the version number of the [00:12] new release. The source can be a .tar.gz, .tar, .tar.bz2, .tgz or .zip [00:12] archive, or a directory. The source may also be a remote file. [00:13] not mentioned how to export it on demand though ;) [00:13] maybe its all automagic [00:13] and it creates .bzr-builddeb/default.conf or something [00:17] i guess its immature ;) [00:17] * asac stops testing that feature [00:20] asac: any idea on FF3.5 in Jaunty, people keep opening bugs... [00:23] it's in the security ppa [00:23] https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-security/+archive/ppa [00:24] i also get may share of emails about that [00:24] -may+my [00:24] ok, but it's going into jaunty-updates/security, right? [00:25] not my call [00:25] asac: ^^^ [00:26] i dont know how i can be more clear ;) [00:26] Karmic and Jaunty users: [00:26] * just install the currently available firefox-3.5 package from universe and wait. The final bits will be there really soon. * If you want to have them earlier, enable ubuntu-mozilla-security PPA where the bits will land first. [00:26] I read it :) [00:27] but that's what I'm telling people also [00:27] good... plan hasnt changed yet ;) [00:27] I just anticipate people asking: Are we there yet? [00:28] BTW, asac, bd murray has an extension that you can configure to replace the script you had [00:28] I just tried it [00:28] the package hasnt been rolled to -security yet ;) [00:28] It lets you set importance, status, and replies [00:28] micahg: yeah. greasemonkey [00:28] yeah [00:30] micahg: i dont like greasemonkey. firing off a command is more efficient for me than waiting for launchpad ;) [00:30] i used greasemonkey for some time [00:30] but yes, its defintly an improvement. [00:31] ok, well, I think it'll help me some [00:31] and I"m testing it for FF3.5 right now :) [00:32] works fine for me [00:32] oops [00:32] wrong windeow :) [00:37] heh [00:38] was informational anyway ;) [00:48] fta : #6Million done! [00:49] BUGabundo: 6 mil what? [00:49] BUGabundo, ? was that a challenge? [00:49] looks like spam to me [00:49] fta one year old! [00:49] micahg: dents [00:49] http://identi.ca/notice/6000000 [01:04] * BUGabundo caminha [01:36] hi [01:36] asac: around ? [01:38] asac: new flashblock to merge : http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~rzr/firefox-extensions/flashblock.ubuntu/revision/18 [01:39] i'll use lp to notify it [08:52] ola [08:53] 3g busted in NM ppa [08:53] so dont upgrade ;) === asac_ is now known as asac [10:28] hi asac , can you release http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~rzr/firefox-extensions/flashblock.ubuntu ? [10:29] * asac looking [10:29] rzr: does it work with 3.5? [10:30] i havent check [10:30] maybe i should upgrade to karmic [10:30] rzr: 3.5 is also in jaunty [10:30] firefox-3.5 [10:30] also you can pick the final 3.5 for jaunty from the ~ubuntu-mozilla-security PPA [10:30] so let's check this [10:33] i see i had 3.5 , and never ran it [10:33] b4pre [10:34] asac: ok captain it works [10:37] good [10:38] rzr: ok merged. i also added a .bzr-builddeb/default.conf with the upstream revision info ... please update it next time too [10:38] ok great [10:39] this has be merged in jaunty later , right ? [10:39] uploaded [10:39] rzr: no [10:39] rzr: unless there are serious bugs resolved we wont update jaunty [10:39] ok [10:40] then i'll open them :) [10:40] or wait someone to do it [10:41] because i am not sure it works as expected [10:44] btw let me thank you for uploading [10:45] rzr: could you please keep the changelog during merge at UNRELEASED and then do a final commit with "debcommit -r" ? [10:45] (next time) [10:45] its better to know when there was what release ;) [10:45] ok will do [10:45] rzr: is there no hope that we will get a better upstream version? [10:46] rzr: like the version they release on amo? [10:46] amo ? [10:46] if not ... maybe we can spot the real release and reversion the snapshot? [10:46] rzr: addons.mozilla.org [10:47] * rzr scratches his head [10:47] no i donno how [10:49] rzr: do you remember this topic at all? [10:49] our snapshot has a completely different versioning what they release there ... right? [10:50] (sorry if i confuse flashblock with some other extension that has this phenomenon) [10:50] we only add that snapshot suffix [10:50] that's the same prefix [10:50] 1.3.14~a2+snapshot20090627-0ubuntu1 [10:50] Flashblock 1.5.11.2 [10:51] https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/433 [10:51] the issue was about the 1.3.14~a2 which now goes before 1.3.14 they will release later [10:51] 1.3.14 is more compatible than 1.5.11.2 [10:51] works w/ seamonkey and friends [10:52] Install Flashblock 1.5.11 [10:52] for Firefox 1.5 to 3.6a [10:52] Netscape 9 and Flock Install Flashblock 1.3.14 [10:52] for SeaMonkey, Firefox 1.0.x [10:52] and other browsersah ok [10:52] rzr: whats the difference? [10:52] is there any? [10:52] i see no advantage to use 1.5 [10:52] hmm [10:52] whats the difference then? [10:52] i havent check [10:52] why do they release a 1.5? [10:52] good question [10:52] 2009-06-27: Flashblock 1.5.11 released for Firefox 1.5 to Firefox 3.6a (trunk), Netscape Navigator 9, Flock, and Intel Midbrowser. [10:52] 2009-06-27: Flashblock 1.3.14 released for Firefox 1.0 to 3.6a, Mozilla Suite 1.7.x, Seamonkey 1.0a to 2.0, Netscape 7 to 9.0, and Flock. [10:52] whats going on ;) [10:52] for netscape9 maybe [10:52] crazy guyxs [10:53] no intel [10:54] i donno of this browser is it a branded version of fennec ? [10:54] midbrowser? [10:54] yea [10:54] i developed that at some point [10:54] intel doesnt use it anymore [10:54] they do something with mutter and trunk xulrunner now [10:54] we have it in the archive even [10:55] oh its removed again i think [10:55] ok i'll test it out on my tablet [10:55] you can run midbrowser in normal desktop too [10:55] sure but it's more use on my freerunner or nit [10:55] +ful [10:56] btw, have you tested thoses android+ubuntu hacks ? i am about to write an article about this [11:02] rzr: not personally, i saw demos on it during UDS [12:02] hi Trouble [12:03] Hello there! [12:04] Trouble: are you in troubles ;) j.k. [12:14] asac: I got it now [12:15] asac: no need for full path just to be in top level src dir [12:16] yeah ;) [12:16] thx [12:18] asac: my problem was that initially i was trying it inside debian/patches directory and it was not working [12:21] yeah [12:21] rzr: did you ever get a confirm mail for the flashblock upload? [12:22] let me check [12:36] asac: Lol no - Thankfully I'm not. Though my irc client highlights every time someone else is in trouble (and mentions "trouble") :_p [12:45] lol [12:46] asac: no mail from lp today maybe delayed [12:56] hmm [12:56] ok [12:56] the package is in though [12:56] i actually thought i would get a mail [12:56] maybe i already deleted it === ejat is now known as e-jat [13:53] asac, i fixed Bug 331654 days ago [13:53] Launchpad bug 331654 in firefox-3.5 "abrowser profile migration is wrong" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/331654 [13:54] fta2: yes [13:54] fta2: but not in jaunty ;) [13:54] https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.5/+bug/331654 [13:54] Ubuntu bug 331654 in firefox-3.5 "abrowser profile migration is wrong" [High,In progress] [13:54] we need this as pseudo-SRU bug [13:55] security team busted my plans to push this through -security [13:57] configure: error: [13:57] *** Checks for JPEG2000 loader failed. You can build without it by passing [13:57] *** --without-libjasper to configure [13:57] what the hell is that [13:57] ;) [13:57] maybe everyone can move to jpeg2000 ? ;) [13:59] where does that come from? [14:00] gtk [14:00] ./configure [14:00] its on git head [14:00] but i think i saw that before [14:01] libjasper-dev - Development files for the JasPer JPEG-2000 library [14:01] libjasper1 - The JasPer JPEG-2000 runtime library [14:01] libjasper-runtime - Programs for manipulating JPEG-2000 files [14:02] seems to be not decoding, but manipulating and coding [14:16] asac: i noticed that it appear in the changelog , but not in the current versions [14:16] now it's ok [14:16] https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/flashblock [14:17] i suppose it's updated once built [14:38] so xulrunner-1.9.1 and firefox-3.5 ended up in jaunty-propose :/ [14:39] ? [14:41] :D [14:41] fta2: too much garbage in the upload for direct -security fastpath [14:42] http://identi.ca/notice/6020569 [14:42] i didnt want to back out all [14:42] well i offered to do it [14:42] but so far things go smooth ;) [14:45] * asac late lunch for real [14:56] mozilla bug 502208 [14:56] Mozilla bug 502208 in Mail Window Front End "Folders do not display, most actions generate _treeElement undefined errors" [Critical,Unconfirmed] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=502208 [14:57] our tbird 3 daily is busted as it seems [14:57] maybe missing a file or something [14:57] * asac off for lunch for real real real ;) [15:13] asac, i don't use tb at all so i don't know when it breaks, and i don't have much time to fix it anyway. if noone else volunteers, maybe i should drop it from the daily [15:23] fta2: its ok. [15:23] nobody mentioned it so its probably recent breakage [15:24] the idea of dailies is that they break ;) [15:24] so we notice ;) [16:18] fta2: did daily run already happen? or in 40 min? [16:19] ok added missing files for tbird [16:19] lets hope dailies get ready soon so i can verify ;) [16:19] 40min [16:19] great [16:20] * asac glances at builders [16:20] seems there is potential for digesting them ;) [16:20] i386 2 builds waiting in queue [16:20] amd64 13 builds waiting in queue [16:20] lpia 14 builds waiting in queue [16:21] most builders are doing something else apparently [16:22] hmm [16:22] Building lpia build of firefox-3.6 3.6~a1~hg20090702r29966+nobinonly-0ubuntu1~umd1~hardy in ubuntu hardy RELEASE [ubuntu-mozilla-daily/ppa] [16:22] is that a late comer? [16:22] lpia [16:22] xul was broken, i fixed it earlier today [16:22] thx [16:22] only on lpia? [16:23] no, all [16:23] * asac still wondering why he doesnt get any build failure mail anymore [16:35] http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/ppa-builders.png [17:24] * asac gets crazy [17:24] half of day debugging why ffox 3.5 doesnt honour hint_style [17:24] it vanishes from font_options somehow [17:41] * asac feels crazy ;9 [17:42] guess have to take a break [18:30] * asac confused by system/moz-cairo mix in a --disable-system-cairo build [18:51] guud evening [18:51] hi [18:52] hey asac [18:56] hello [18:57] hello mbana [18:59] micahg: [18:59] 14:54 < asac> we need this as pseudo-SRU bug [18:59] 14:55 < asac> security team busted my plans to push this through -security [18:59] 14:57 < asac> configure: error: [18:59] yes? [19:00] asac: which bug? [19:00] micahg: so firefox-3.5 is now in proposed ;) [19:00] ah [19:00] ok [19:00] :) [19:00] thanks [19:01] micahg: too many non-security changes in packaging [19:01] fta: ping [19:01] so monday most likely [19:01] ok [19:03] are the packages in teh security ppa and proposed the same? [19:03] BUGabundo, ? [19:03] We've had some possible user agent bugs [19:04] fta if you have too many dent from me, you can instead follow my other OMB account! it only has 6 dents/day [19:04] http://www.macno.org/denticator/?service=brainbird.co.cc&user=bugabundo [19:04] fta http://www.macno.org/denticator/?service=&user=fta&chart=flash [19:04] Absolute average: 682 dents since 2009-01-11 (174 days): 3.92 dents/day [19:04] micahg: yes [19:05] pfft [19:05] DirectFB thing is not fixed in thebes yet [19:07] bug 304033 [19:07] Launchpad bug 304033 in gwibber "Gwibber doesn't display updates (due to newer webkit/pywebkitgtk builds)" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/304033 [19:08] MEDIUM [19:08] crazy guys [19:08] aaaahaha [19:08] asac: well it did affect a bunch of users [19:08] works for me! it always has! [19:08] only was affected by a similar bug for 1 day [19:09] its still broken in karmic [19:09] guys you should really care for the archive [19:09] and not only ppas ;) [19:09] yeah [19:09] asac: it shouldn't even be in archive!!! [19:09] it can!! [19:09] it doesnt help if you run the .head if noone pushes stuff to the archive [19:09] better keep running archive and bug folks to update gwibber [19:09] gwibber is one of those apps that only works on a PPA with often releases [19:09] i dont think so [19:10] why would that be the case [19:10] its just undermaintained from what i understand [19:10] or we need to change the rules [19:10] what rules? [19:10] gwibber doesnt brake in a stable release [19:10] and allow packages to change features on stable release [19:10] BUGabundo: thats not the problem for this case, is it? [19:10] eheh [19:10] the jaunty version still works from what i know [19:10] won't comment on it :) [19:11] but no support for jaiku, redent, etc [19:11] well [19:11] or even SSL-less laconica [19:11] thats a differnt story [19:11] its features [19:11] but thats not a regression [19:11] * BUGabundo searches for a power socket [19:11] what you see in karmic is a regression [19:13] * BUGabundo finds a power socket in the max reach of power cord :\ [19:14] asac, gwibber never releases anything, so it's a random snapshot or nothing [19:14] yep [19:14] that's right [19:15] *if* they had releases, they might be able to fix asac prob! [19:15] but they don't even have branches for head and releases [19:16] i will push a random snapshot but i need to figure out what are those -u2 [19:17] fta: well. if the random snapshot is stable enough its ok [19:17] i am commiting now the not-committed releases [19:19] what are you both talking about? [19:20] some guy pushed changes to karmic without using the bzr branch [19:20] who and what? [19:20] right since this cycle everything is supposed to be in bzr right? [19:24] fta: yes. i replayed them now and merged from daily. let me check if its good [19:27] what were the changes? [19:28] Bah! ... and Ah! ;) [19:28] first was no change upload [19:28] second unfixed libwebkit version [19:29] public timeline is broken for me? [19:29] you see that too? [19:29] was there public before? [19:30] ah ok [19:30] its a bug [19:30] i didnt have any public timeline enabled [19:30] the tab shouldnt be there then [19:30] or indicate that one has nothing to expect [19:31] asac: if you remove it there's no way to get it back [19:31] unless you close and start again [19:31] eheh [19:31] it hsould just be hidden and not removable? [19:31] how do i remove it? [19:31] ctrl+w [19:31] ah its a view [19:31] view -> public timeline [19:31] or mouse middle click [19:31] works [19:31] comes back for me [19:32] nope [19:32] not for me [19:34] asac: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/gwibber/+bug/357206 [19:34] Ubuntu bug 357206 in gwibber "[wishlist] Public Timeline Tab" [Wishlist,Fix released] [19:34] humm [19:34] doenst work for me [19:34] LOL [19:34] oh wait. diff bug [19:34] LOL [19:34] nvm [19:35] BUGabundo: in View menu [19:36] I saw it [19:36] pressed and pressed again [19:36] didn't reopen [19:36] then again I don't have the pubic feed enable [19:36] let me try that [19:37] darn it! it crashed before I got there [19:41] asac: ok seems to work [19:42] thats what i mean ;) [19:42] BUGabundo: feel like jumping the gun and trying NM trunk? [19:43] humm [19:43] will it work?? [19:43] already running modem manager trunk [19:43] i think it should work better than the nm 0.7.1 with modemmanager at least [19:43] ok [19:43] https://edge.launchpad.net/~network-manager/+archive/trunk [19:43] then I need to remobe MM? [19:43] thats NM 0.8~a ... and NMA [19:43] 0.8?? [19:43] BUGabundo: the modemmangaer is a copy ... just add the ppa and upgrade [19:43] BUGabundo: yes nm trunk is 0.8 [19:43] I keep MM ppa? [19:44] or remove it? [19:44] BUGabundo: dont need to ... i coped the mm to the trunk ppa too [19:44] and will keep doing so [19:44] i am seriously thinking about pushing that to karmic [19:44] just need initial feedback ;) [19:45] and you pick the crist here [19:45] ok ok [19:47] thought you like new stuff ;) [19:48] I do! [19:49] but I also like it working [19:49] eheh [19:49] The following packages will be REMOVED: [19:49] modemmanager{u} [19:49] i didnt run the package, but i ran the git tree and it worked well [19:49] The following packages will be upgraded: network-manager network-manager-dev network-manager-gnome [19:50] BUGabundo: removes modemmanager? [19:50] what does {u} mean? [19:50] no idea! [19:50] aptitude words [19:51] BUGabundo: what does sudo apt-get upgrade suggest? [19:51] $ apt-cache policy modemmanager | pastebinit [19:51] http://paste.ubuntu.com/209211/ [19:51] now running aptitude! need to wait [19:52] BUGabundo: so you accepted that mm gets removed? ok. [19:52] sure! [19:52] I do what im told [19:52] hummm [19:52] nm-applet just blew [19:53] got a error message but pressed SPACE accidentily [19:53] GUI confirmations SHOULD never do that :((( [19:53] need to restart [19:53] gonna halt and have dinner [19:53] BUGabundo: install modemmanager also [19:53] if I don't come back in 30/40 min its your fault! [19:53] LOL [19:53] its not getting removed fir me ;) [19:53] you should really dump aptitude [19:54] thats really an annoying package management frontend [19:54] installed [19:54] asac: its much better then apt-get to manage confilcts [19:54] even a simple aptitude update tells you much more [19:55] well. but it sometimes does stupid things that are really unexpected [19:57] asac: bugs in depencies [19:57] ? [19:58] i;m glad the font bug was given high status [19:58] asac: fta: apport failing to open FF? [19:59] not sure [19:59] BUGabundo: do you see anything in .xsession-errors? [19:59] mbana: which font bug are you seeing? [19:59] a lot !? [19:59] its always filed [19:59] lol [20:00] asac: the 3.5 [20:00] BUGabundo: see you something that looks like its firefox failing [20:00] mbana: are you on jaunty? [20:00] no [20:00] mbana: or karmic? [20:00] pastebining [20:01] januty [20:01] mbana: which cairo version is installed there? [20:02] mbana: are you running our firefox build? [20:02] no ... repo [20:02] mbana: what does repo mean? [20:02] you mean archive.ubuntu.com ? [20:02] asac: main repo sir. [20:02] k [20:03] mbana: and your sympomts are that the gnome font hinting settings are not used? [20:03] to be honest, i'm not entirely sure. i just want it to have the same rendering as ff 3.1, shall i try a ppa? [20:03] mbana: no. [20:04] mbana: what you ned to check is if the rendering is the same as the rendering of other apps on the desktop [20:04] like other gnome apps [20:04] thats the baseline we have to compare against [20:04] ffox 3.0 might have been buggy - even though it might have been fortunately for you buggy. [20:05] yes. ff 3.1 is using the desktop rendering. ff 3.5 isn't [20:05] but what we should aim for is that firefox has the same fonts in the menu etc. that are used in other menus [20:05] mbana: so your problem is only in the content area? [20:05] e.g. on the html pages? [20:05] or also the menu fonts, etc. [20:05] precisely. [20:05] no the menus are perfect [20:06] it's the content area, as you sya. [20:06] dinner and a reboot [20:07] bbl , I hope ;) [20:08] mbana: does that problem go away if you disallow websites choosing their own fonts? (in preferences -> conten -> fonts ...) [20:08] which bug if was that again? [20:09] it's ff 3.5 rendering something, i can't recall the exact name [20:09] brb [20:11] bug 379761 [20:11] Launchpad bug 379761 in firefox-3.5 "FF 3.5 font hinting" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/379761 [20:28] * asac goes off to dinner ;) [20:31] yawnmoo [20:46] asac: I'm here. so at least wifi works [20:47] will test 3g latter === asac_ is now known as asac [20:57] asac: read it ? [20:58] mbana: ping what conclusion did you get from the Fonts issue? [21:02] asac: users on locoteam complaing about FF3.5 fonts, they look like bold! [21:07] asac: https://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.feedback.firefox.prerelease/browse_thread/thread/44a6ad4702915b95?fwc=1 [21:07] FF3.5 plus Google toolbar [21:07] makes FF lose tooltips [21:08] I know its not a FF bug, but I've asked the user to put it on LP so you can dupe others [21:08] micahg: ping ^^^^^^^^ [21:08] BUGabundo: pong [21:09] BUGabundo: I don't see any such thing with RC2 [21:10] micahg: users just reported it to me, and said removing Gbar fixed it [21:10] ah [21:10] I don't have google toolbar [21:10] maybe they should fix their toolbar [21:10] yep [21:10] they know about it [21:10] but users may report it against FF on LP [21:11] ok [21:11] thanks for the headsup [21:15] micahg: another one: fonts as BOLD [21:15] https://www.getdropbox.com/gallery/921561/1/Screenshots?h=5c8570 [21:15] see two last images [21:18] that firefox-lp is speeding up triage [21:18] micahg: fta: asac: https://labs.mozilla.com/2009/03/firefox-new-tab-next-iteration/ [21:18] really kewl [21:20] asac: is it offically listed anywhere that proper updates for Firefox in Ubuntu is through Synaptic? [21:20] I keep getting bug reports for it [21:22] BUGabundo: i'm not sure what to do. all i can say is, the menu, as asac mentioned, is rendering correctly, the page isn't [21:22] BUGabundo: isnt that old? [21:23] BUGabundo: great. so NM trunk works ok? [21:28] asac: any apt front end should do it! [21:28] grrrr... http://paste.ubuntu.com/209269/ [21:28] asac: works [21:28] asac: old what? [21:28] micahg: : any apt front end should do it! sorry asac [21:29] BUGabundo: agreed [21:29] but does it say that anywhere [21:29] peoples keep asking about the greyed out update option [21:29] especially now that they want ff3.5 [21:30] micahg: mirrors still updating? [21:30] micahg: both my mirrors have it $ apt-cache policy firefox-3.5 |pastebinit [21:30] http://paste.ubuntu.com/209271/ [21:32] asac: what's up with mutt?!?! [21:35] BUGabundo: that's karmic. not jaunty [21:36] LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL [21:36] totally missed my mind [21:37] asac: I'm just wondering what I can tell a guy who I've been waiting to reply on a bug [21:37] about if it officially states anywhere that apt updates FF and not the menu option [21:39] micahg: ask apt-cache policy firefox-3.5 [21:39] BUGabundo: you want to see my rsults? [21:40] BUGabundo: http://pastebin.com/f3037a61d [21:42] archive on b4?? [21:42] BUGabundo: jaunty [21:42] what ppa has .1 ? [21:42] moz-daily [21:42] didn't jaunty also got -security ? [21:43] BUGabundo: not yet, that's what asac was going on about earlier [21:43] BUGabundo: my question though is about documentation [21:43] all week ? ;) [21:43] micahg: no documentaion !! PPL have to wait! [21:44] BUGabundo: about the menu option, not when the update wil happen [21:45] the update menu HAS always been disable [21:45] we get updates from archive [21:45] BUGabundo: that doesn't help new users [21:45] you and I know that [21:46] o what?? [21:46] aren't they running a stable system? [21:46] s/o/so/ [21:46] BUGabundo: new users coming from windows expect firefox to behave the same [21:47] someone was commenting on how it would be nice if the menu option being disabled was documented [21:47] I'm just wondering if it is before I reply [21:47] so they expect Virus the same!?! [21:47] or Exporer? [21:47] otherwise, I'll throw somethign on the wiki [21:47] or MSFT office? or to pay for it? [21:47] no, FF in Windows checks for updates within the browser [21:48] its a diff OS with diff way to keep the system [21:48] BUGabundo: agreed, but it would be nice if it was documented [21:48] micahg: FF on Win is no FF on Linux [21:50] BUGabundo: I'm going to update help.ubuntu.com for people [21:50] ok [21:51] you have perm for that one ? [21:51] yep :) [21:51] I think everyone does [21:53] nope [21:53] almost no one does [21:53] wiki.ubuntu, yes [21:53] help.u no! [21:55] BUGabundo: wfm [21:55] ah? [21:56] asac, http://launchpadlibrarian.net/28670842/buildlog_ubuntu-karmic-i386.thunderbird-3.0_3.0~b3~hg20090703r3009%2Bnobinonly-0ubuntu1~umd1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz [21:56] BUGabundo: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion [21:57] sorry irssi didnt continue to scroll [21:57] so i didnt see any msg ;) [21:57] lolol [21:57] I have no idea what I told you before either [21:57] micahg: i dont think that its officially documented that ubuntu firefox doesnt use the mozilla auto update feature [21:57] ahah [21:57] micahg: not sure where do document something like that [21:57] asac: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion [21:57] micahg: maybe a FAQ page? [21:57] just added it to the introduction [21:57] BUGabundo: old: the new-tab blog entry you posted [21:58] ahhh [21:58] new to me [21:58] BUGabundo: mutt: i dont know. usually it asked me if i want to move seen mail to inbox-seen or something ... but it stopped doing that apparently in one of the karmic updates [21:58] asac: does that post on help.ubuntu work? [21:59] micahg: "tell a guy that didnt answer". depends if the bug doesnt look like a gem, just set it to invalid and say that if he has the info, he should reopen the bug [21:59] asac: it's a mutt profile rule/option. maybe default changed! [21:59] asac: Oh, I've already responded, the bug was too big to begin with [21:59] fta: damn ;) [21:59] asac: I'm just wondering if what I posted was ok on help.ubuntu [22:00] micahg: which post on help.ubuntu? [22:00] where? [22:00] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion [22:00] http://paste.ubuntu.com/209289/ :( [22:00] asac: micahg already pasted it 3 times [22:00] asac: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion [22:00] micahg: did you create that page now or did that exist before? [22:00] nice [22:00] it existed before [22:00] I edited the Intro [22:00] I added the last 2 lines [22:01] micahg: not sure if we should really put firefox 3.5 on it ... it will get old and if nobody cleans it up the help site looks outdated [22:01] ok [22:01] asac: I didn't do that [22:01] just remember to remove the firefox 3.5 news when its done [22:01] asac: I don't maintain it :) [22:01] asac: What I posted was timeless [22:01] unless we move from apt to yum :) [22:01] ok [22:02] micahg: but now you touched it and so you own it ;) [22:02] agh [22:02] jk [22:02] yeah [22:02] that's the beauty of this team, right asac? [22:02] hehe [22:02] now I have to get some work work done [22:03] fta: great. this gzip error looks awful famlilar [22:03] what does python do to tar? [22:03] it also happens with cdbs and bzr bd some times [22:04] micahg, there's not such things as an "early alpha of Firefox 3.5.1". Now that 3.5 is released, all 3.5.* are just minor releases, so 3.5.1pre is not alpha at all, it's an intermediate snapshot between minor releases [22:04] fta: its only -xf [22:04] fta: I didnt't write it [22:04] where is the -z [22:04] you're welcome to edit it...it's community docs [22:05] asac, missing, but it's the same [22:06] http://paste.ubuntu.com/209297/ [22:08] fta: I'll look at the page over the weekend [22:08] fta: i dont understand why without a -z there is a gzip problem [22:08] anyway. seems like python does somethig harmful to subprocesses pipes [22:09] indeed [22:09] * asac wonders how a parent process could prevent chils processes from doing proper pipes [22:09] especially accidentially [22:10] fta: can you reproduce that? [22:10] fta: with a small tarball? [22:10] if so file a bug please and let someone familiar with python look at that [22:10] or check python upstream [22:10] or does that only happen with builddeb [22:10] ? [22:11] asac: obviously, u don't want my reply on that bug do you? the menu stuff [22:12] mbana: the menu stuff? === BUGabundo1 is now known as BUGabundo [22:12] i replied on the font bug i thought this was it about [22:12] you didnt give me the bug id ;) [22:12] or did you? [22:12] that's it [22:14] asac, http://paste.ubuntu.com/209301/ [22:14] mbana: whats it? [22:14] i didnt see anything posted by you [22:15] fta: and doing the same tarball in a while loop? [22:15] no, i asked if you want me to confirm if the menu uses diff rendering, amybe to the benefit of others [22:16] mbana: so bug 379761 ? [22:16] Launchpad bug 379761 in firefox-3.5 "FF 3.5 font hinting" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/379761 [22:16] yes, i reported it [22:17] mbana: yes. seems all the others on the bug dont see the bug you wanted to file [22:17] ok retitled [22:17] 379761 [22:17] please update the bug. sy that upstream build has problems everywhere [22:17] and that archive packages are ok, in chrome, but have problems on website [22:19] also be verbose about what you consider a problem. i didnt really see the problem/difference in your screenshot. i only see that its different. whether ffox 3 is right or 3.5 is still a mystery to me [22:21] how do you want me to prove it [22:22] i dont want you to prove [22:22] i want to you identify whats the difference is [22:22] then we have to check on code if that difference is a bug or a fix [22:23] asac, look at the content of the page and look at the gnome task panel [22:23] mbana: well. the content of the page probably uses a different font ... e.g. whatever the website wants [22:23] and on that screenshot, even the menus aren't rendering correctly, but it seems to be fixed now [22:23] mbana: if you want the same font for sans that is used in the task panel [22:23] you have to prevent website selecting their own fonts [22:23] (e.g. Preferences -> Content -> Fonts -> Settings... ") [22:23] or something [22:24] mbana: consider to check if you have the same setting in 3.0 as in 3.5 [22:24] all the fonts --- ff 3.1 and 3.5 and the task panel --- are the same [22:24] dejavu sans [22:24] mbana: can you also post the url in the bug to reproduce what you snapshotted [22:24] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memoization [22:26] asac: that screen is from a first launch of FF 3.1 and 3.5, nothing was tweeked [22:26] mbana: for me both look identical [22:26] mbana: mbana 3.1 = 3.0? [22:26] (e.e.g there is no 3.1) [22:26] yes, sorry [22:26] mbana: so in about:config [22:26] browser.display.use_document_fonts [22:26] is set to 0 in ffox 3 and 3.5? [22:27] 1 in both. but i don't want to set it to 0, i prefer to use the font the site was specified [22:28] maybe, you post a binary on the bug report so others can confirm the behaviour [22:28] unfortunately, builds from mozilla are just hideous [22:29] mbana: yeah. just please check: [22:29] if you set it in 3.0 to 0 [22:29] and keep it in 3.5 to 1 [22:29] does it look identical? [22:29] yes, it's 1 in 3.0 [22:29] browser.display.use_document_fonts;1 [22:33] micahg: link to ppa with 3,5 final ? [22:33] https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-security/+archive/ppa [22:36] asac: LOLOLOLOL if I place 3.6 on full screen, it won't come out OLOLOLOL fta can you test ? [22:37] mbana: so what i did: 1. create a new user account. log-in [22:37] start ffox 3.0 and ffox 3.5 next to each other [22:37] and the fonts look exactly the same [22:37] please take a screen. is this your personal build? [22:38] mbana: no. its the build from daily PPA [22:38] BUGabundo: with F11? [22:38] but that should be the same as 3.5 final [22:38] micahg: yes [22:38] ok i take a screen ... let me re log in [22:38] BUGabundo: wfm on jaunty [22:39] karmic FF3.6 [22:39] daily [22:39] BUGabundo: I'm 2 days behind [22:39] on ff3.6 [22:39] LOL [22:39] let me upgrade [22:40] so that I know what to replies to unpacient users: asac what's delaying FF3.5 (the hally grail Final, and oficial branding) on jaunty archive? [22:40] getting tired of ppl asking for it [22:41] it'll be a sin to release it until this font bug is fixed ;) [22:41] BUGabundo: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2009/07/03/%23ubuntu-mozillateam.txt aroung 13:50 [22:42] and 19:00 [22:44] BUGabundo: confirmed with 0703 daily [22:44] mbana: http://people.ubuntu.com/~asac/tmp/Screenshot2.png [22:44] thanks micahg [22:44] micahg: thanks [22:44] care to file it? [22:44] BUGabundo: worked fine on 0701 [22:44] I'm a very slow net [22:45] asac: ok seems like you got slight hinting. have you tried setting the hinting to full? because i believe that's when u notice a difference [22:45] fta its your deal [22:45] BUGabundo: nope, I've gotta finish a project up before Monday [22:45] we got it bisected [22:45] errr [22:45] how do I remove it now ?!? LOL [22:45] mbana: so in gnome settings? [22:45] or in fontconfig? [22:45] yes, or even in .fonts.conf, what u prefer [22:45] how can i do it through fontconfig? [22:46] btw that info _needs_ to be in the bug [22:46] mbana: err. please remove fonts.conf [22:46] firefox 3.0 has bugs in fontconfig processing [22:46] so that might make a difference [22:46] just use gnome-settings [22:46] and dont touch .fonts.conf [22:47] otherwise i need the .fonts.conf for sure [22:47] to see if its a bug or not [22:47] (attach to bug too) [22:49] mbana: yeah so with full hinting its different [22:49] (gnome-settings) [22:49] let me check fontconfig full hinting [22:50] (when i try to switch user, my internet connection seems to die, for instance, xchat will disconnect. something wrong on my end? u checking on another machine?) [22:51] asac: now I'll try 3G [22:51] brb [22:52] mbana: ok. you can mark the connection in connection editor as "available to all users" [22:52] mbana: then its a system wide connection and wont die [22:55] asac: not so good news: NM doesn't see 3G modem! [22:56] mbana: ok so please update the bug summary: add that this happens when hinting is set to full. also give the example URL [22:56] i could reproduce it, so there is something i can work on at least ;) [22:56] wo ha [22:57] asac: you still work on NM>? [22:57] i'll paste in the this chat session, if you don't mind [22:58] mbana: if it's more than one line, paste to pastebin [23:01] micahg: yes [23:01] micahg: use paste.ubuntu.com ;) [23:01] mbana: ^ ;) [23:02] asac: what to do with crash reports on 3.5b4? [23:04] !paste | mbana [23:04] mbana: pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://imagebin.org/index.php?page=add | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic [23:04] micahg: if they have no way to reproduce and no recent duplicates, maybe wait to see if 3.5 final brings in duplicates [23:04] lol [23:04] micahg: otherwise close [23:05] ok, so I'll wait till next weekend [23:05] BUGabundo: next time use > instead of |, that's almost as bad a not using pastebin :) [23:06] ahahah [23:06] right [23:13] mbana: try [23:13] pango-view -t "is the process of committing " --backend=xft --font="Sans 10" [23:13] pango-view -t "is the process of committing " --backend=cairo --font="Sans 10" [23:13] mbana: is that exactly like "3.5 vs. 3.0" (in that order) === Adri2000_ is now known as Adri2000 [23:14] thats the text from the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memorization [23:14] wiki page ;) [23:16] i think the cairo one is ebtter [23:16] u want a screen [23:16] thats not what i asked [23:16] no [23:16] 00:13 < asac> mbana: is that exactly like "3.5 vs. 3.0" (in that order) [23:16] asac: asac asac I need 3G back!!! [23:16] ? [23:16] BUGabundo: doesnt the modemmanager stuff work? [23:16] ok then it seems like it [23:17] seems or _is_ [23:17] thats important [23:17] asac: no idea! it doesn't show modem in there [23:17] my eyes are bad and i dont see any font specifics ;) [23:17] $ apt-cache policy modemmanager Installed: 0.2.git5.ef0a604dc-0ubuntu1~mm1 [23:17] BUGabundo: is modem-manager running? [23:17] yes it is dude [23:17] $ apt-cache policy network-manager Installed: 0.8~a~git.20090702t164632.9c8e600-0ubuntu1~nmt1 [23:18] mbana: good ... also add that to the bug ;) [23:18] asac: how do I check? [23:18] so i think have to check why its xft now ;) [23:18] or rather, why xft doesnt do full hinting [23:18] seems like its the same as slight? [23:18] BUGabundo: ps -eaf | grep modem [23:19] asac: root 3342 1 0 20:39 ? 00:00:00 /usr/sbin/modem-manager [23:20] BUGabundo: stop NetworkManager, then sudo killall modem-manager [23:20] then start it on command line like: [23:20] sudo modem-manager --debug [23:20] what does it print [23:20] ? [23:20] humm ok [23:20] that will kill my wifi [23:20] so hang on while I reconnect [23:21] BUGabundo: did you restart your X session? [23:21] I rebootede! [23:21] ah ok [23:21] and you have 0.8~a for nm and nm-applet? [23:21] then run mm as i said above [23:22] asac: what's the package fot the applet ? [23:22] network-manager-gnome [23:23] asac: Installed: 0.8~a~git.20090701t182005.3bec17d-0ubuntu1~nmt1 [23:23] k [23:23] gonna test debug [23:23] brb [23:23] wait? [23:23] BUGabundo: also:; what modem are you having? [23:23] huawei E220 [23:24] ok [23:24] in general that should work i think ;) [23:24] so start it with --debug [23:24] you might need a hal-info entry [23:24] again? [23:24] did your modem work before we switched to udev? [23:24] worked up until I installed 0.8 [23:24] BUGabundo: no ... for now just get the --debug [23:24] every day for every karmic cycle [23:25] ok [23:25] /etc/init.d/NM stop [23:30] asac: Is security ppa missing ff branding? [23:30] asac: http://paste.ubuntu.com/209348/ [23:30] asac: debug doesn't help much [23:30] it detects it but I still can't connect to it [23:31] micahg: intentionally yes [23:32] BUGabundo: if you connect the --debug should hav espit out quite a lot [23:32] ok, what do I tell people, wait for Jaunty release for branding? [23:32] asac: that's all I have [23:32] BUGabundo: do you see your modem in the applet? [23:32] no [23:32] with or without NM running [23:33] micahg: in jaunty 3.5 will stay unbranded we we only ship one branded firefox for every release [23:33] users should consider firefox-3.5 a preview service [23:33] asac: that seems a little weird [23:33] no [23:33] why ;) [23:33] one principal of stable updates is to not change the UI [23:33] changing branding is a big UI change [23:33] If it's a legitimate release, then it shoudl be branded, it'll screw up with user agents and such [23:34] yes. firefox 3.5 in karmic will be an official build with branding. but not in jaunty [23:34] asac: still 3.5 is A LOT of Feature changes too [23:34] jaunty is a preview package and its not stabilitized, didnt undergo trademark and patch review etc. [23:35] BUGabundo: it has. but we had firefox-3.5 in jaunty [23:35] asac: ah, that's a different story [23:35] just in universe [23:35] ah, so we only brand the pacakges in main? [23:35] asac: HHHAAAA [23:35] micahg: but its not only the trademark. its really that changing branding in a security/stable update is not the way to go ... we released teh firefox-3.5 with shiretoko branding in jaunty; so it should stay shiretoke all release [23:36] micahg: we only brand packages in main yes. [23:36] ok, but that'll cause problems for sites that try to dynamically provide HTML5 based on user agent [23:36] micahg: but we also dont change branding post release [23:36] should I suggest people install the karmic version? [23:36] micahg: it has the right gecko version i [23:36] n [23:36] micahg: ok ok you have yiour anwser [23:37] or just install useragentswitcher? [23:37] micahg: also its done in js anyway [23:37] now let me own asac for a few minutes [23:37] user agents are not ment to be used for that [23:37] we try to stop sites doing that [23:37] BUGabundo: so nothing in applet? [23:37] nope asac [23:37] BUGabundo: and in syslog? [23:37] asac: Yes, ideally everything should be standards based, but that's hard [23:37] ok [23:37] micahg: yes. but we dont run after the web [23:38] micahg: most sites will work [23:38] so, I'll tell people it can;t be branded [23:38] and mark won't fix? [23:38] and the sites that dont work usually also dont work if you have the right string [23:38] because the see "linux" and say: "unsupported OS" [23:38] micahg: tell them it will not be branded. [23:38] ok [23:38] micahg: dont explain the trademark story etc. [23:38] that doesnt matter. changing branding is just not allowed in stable update. thats it [23:39] ok [23:39] will do asac, thanks [23:39] people go nuts if you give them too many things. they start to argue about specific points etc. [23:39] its not worth it [23:39] and whatever you do, the people complaining will always be loud and unhappy [23:39] X crashed during apt-get upgrade :( [23:39] the happy folks you dont hear about ;) [23:40] thats how it is ;) [23:40] 2nd time in 2 days [23:40] BUGabundo: do you have a syslog? [23:40] like a complete thing ;)? [23:41] asac: trying to pastebin [23:41] darn wifi :(( [23:41] k [23:41] fta: chipset? [23:41] fta: on .31? [23:41] nvidia [23:41] you are lucky that X works at all [23:41] yes [23:41] my ati freezes when X is started [23:41] intel works [23:41] ati only with .30 [23:42] BUGabundo: i need the full syslog as usualy ;) [23:44] crash in evdev_drv [23:44] doesn't seem to be HW related === BUGabundo1 is now known as BUGabundo [23:50] BUGabundo: ok i follow and upgrade to your mm trunk thing ;) [23:51] ah [23:51] ? [23:52] bad time for 3g [23:52] NM ppa broken [23:52] trunk ppa broken [23:52] mm ppa works? [23:52] or didnt that work for you? [23:53] slow archive mirrors [23:53] me takes a break [23:53] its really high humidity [23:57] ahah [23:57] humm asac I was using MM ppa [23:57] and working [23:57] with NM from archive