[00:08] <cjwatson> james_w: horrible little gotcha, isn't it
[00:08] <james_w> yeah
[00:09] <cjwatson> I was ... unimpressed when that caused several people's disks to be eaten
[00:13] <ion> URL?
[00:14] <james_w> ion: http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/ucgi/~cjwatson/blosxom/2009/07/02#2009-07-02-python-sigpipe
[00:14] <ion> Thanks
[00:16] <ion> Exactly what caused people’s disks to be eaten?
[00:20] <james_w> ion: see the bug report
[00:21] <cjwatson> ion: subprocesses that were doing partitioning and expecting to receive commands on stdin and send responses on stdout got rather confused when stdin/stdout went away
[00:21] <cjwatson> and carried on merrily doing something random when ordinarily they would have received SIGPIPE
[00:22] <ion> Heh
[00:22] <james_w> what's the term for that phenomenon where you hear about something for the first time and then for a while after you find that you keep hearing about the same thing where you never noticed it before
[00:22] <cjwatson> (I forget the exact details, mercifully, but that's fairly accurate as summaries go)
[00:22] <james_w> ?
[00:23] <james_w> it seems like this sort of bug should have a name
[00:24] <cjwatson> that sounds like a species of confirmation bias although it isn't quite the same thing ...
[00:25] <james_w> I seem to remember my neuroscientist friend saying that it had be studied and named
[00:25] <james_w> like the "cocktail party phenomenon"
[00:26] <cjwatson> I'm looking through http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cognitive_biases but can't see it; I'm entirely prepared to believe it has a name though and I just can't find it :)
[00:28] <Ng> james_w: I think star wars summed it up better than so-called neuroscientists... "your focus determines your reality" ;)
[00:37] <Ng> james_w: http://www.damninteresting.com/?p=417
[00:40] <nellery> that's probably it
[00:40] <nellery> wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baader-Meinhof_phenomenon
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[02:40] <radix> I'm testing an upgrade to karmic and it's failing because of a dependency problem between various packages, and I can't figure out which package is at fault by reading apt.log
[02:40] <radix> though the package that the upgrade tool is reporting as being unable to be installed is ubuntu-desktop
[02:42] <radix> I'd like to file a bug, I just don't know where it should be filed
[02:47] <radix> oh, I see stuff related to fast-user-switch applet and I see a change from pitti about FUSA dependencies on ubuntu-desktop recently. guess it's related.
[03:07] <wgrant> radix: The new gdm breaks fusa. Remove fusa if you don't need it, or keep gdm 2.20.
[03:08] <radix> wgrant: okay. is there already a bug filed about that? would filing one be valuable?
[03:08] <radix> I just removed fusa and that removed ubuntu-desktop and UNR but the upgrade now seems to be working.
[03:10] <wgrant> radix: It's known. It's even mentioned in the gdm changelog.
[03:11] <radix> okay, cool.
[04:09] <reduz> hi guys, i'm here just to ask how in your right minds did you allow pulseaudio in ubuntu
[04:10] <reduz> keeps crashing randomly since a few versions, never been stable, and likes to use 20% cpu when opening sound with bufers < 1024 frames
[04:12] <reduz> also
[04:12] <reduz> removing it causes sound to no longer work
[04:24] <slangasek> mathiaz: hrm, you want a separate package just for this?  not sure why /that/ makes sense.
[06:52] <emgent> someone up with intrepid ?
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[11:10] <ogra> bah, where is Keybuks plenary talk on bootspeed http://video.ubuntu.com/uds/karmic/ doesnt have any plenary_4 videos :(
[11:16] <tgpraveen> actually many videos seem to be missing
[11:22] <ogra> tgpraveen, only plenary_4 o far (others are not supposed to be up yet)
[11:23] <ogra> (others than plenary ones)
[11:47]  * ogra wonders why xscreensaver resolves "gnome-session | xterm | x-window-manager | x-terminal-emulator" wrongly on the armel buildd ...
[11:48] <ogra> somehow that tries to install gnome-session ... which fails on xserver-xorg
[11:50] <ogra> hmm, it uses gnome-session on x86 too ... weird
[12:31] <ogra> lamont, infinity, can it be that the armel buildd chroot doesnt use --no-install-recommends while the others do ?
[13:03] <ogra> pitti, poke ...
[13:05] <ogra> pitti, could the check for chroots in the hal initscript be moved to the reload action as well ? seems xserver-xorg deliberately calls reload from postinst now which makes installation in the armel builds fail (which in turn causes an FTBFS in xscreensaver)
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[16:09] <ion> liw: Hi. Any benchmark results yet? :-)
[16:14] <maxb> doko: Hi, Vcs-Bzr in python2.6 points to a nonexistent branch in your namespace, can you tell me where to find the actual branch?
[16:42] <maxb> jinja2 needs promotion to main in order to satisfy sphinx depwait, what do I do to report that?
[16:46] <Ampelbein> maxb: follow https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionProcess
[16:47] <geser> bug 382692
[16:47] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 382692 in jinja2 "Move python-jinja2 to main" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/382692
[16:47] <geser> maxb: ^^
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[18:55] <netsurf3> what boot system does jaunty use? initrd or initramfs?
[19:02] <Nafallo> netsurf3: this is a develop channel. for support, please see #ubuntu
[19:02] <netsurf3> i thought it was relevant
[19:02] <netsurf3> nevermind
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[19:58] <nixternal> anyone have karmic rocking on a dell mini?
[20:01] <nixternal> ooh, nomodeset does it :)