[00:25] <Svenstaro> stgraber, yeah I actually know so much. I was merely concerned with the stance of what sounded like "Happy 4th July everywhere in the world" which seems a bit ignorant to me.
[02:00] <vprm> can i install 9.04 on a windows xp with 2 disk, 1 disk is windows, 2 disk is linux??
[04:45] <dgroos> Hi--just coming back after the party and fireworks.  The weather was great this evening--pure blue skies--and that was different a couple of hours before that as it was a heavy downpour.  Strange, weather...
[04:46] <dgroos> I had a friend who said where he came from on the farm there was a saying that if you think you can predict the weather you are either a newcomer or ignorant :)
[04:49] <dgroos> Svenstaro: I wanted to address your concern--a few hours ago-- that my reference to my impending, 'July 4th partying' was an expression of ignorant provincialism, assuming that 'everyone would know about the july 4th celebration in the US'.
[04:50] <dgroos> Actually, one thing that tickles me--delights me to no end--is that here we are conversing from many ends of the world, together.
[04:52] <dgroos> I like saying, and reading others say, 'good morning' with full knowledge that many readers are just entering night, or it is mid-afternoon for them or for me.  That's cool :)
[04:53] <dgroos> Your comment, however, reminded me, that I need to not forget that while I'm talking in my own language, English, many people are talking, not in their language, but in mine.  This shouldn't be taken for granted.
[04:56] <dgroos> While I do speak Spanish fluently (though not write--that's different), I'm continually shocked be so many people on the list, such as your self, who write English so flawlessly and with such depth.
[04:58] <dgroos> I don't take that lightly.  I realize that there are some weird, shall we say bad, politics of which I generally happen to benefit from and thus can communicate with you-all and not have to speak German, French, Finish, Greek, Portuguese, etc. but my own language.
[04:59] <dgroos> Anyway, Svenstaro, thanks for bringing up that which is often just below the surface.  And, I'm lucky and glad you speak more than German!  :)
[04:59] <dgroos> The End :)
[05:06] <dgroos> stgraber: I thought you might (?) be interested in the output from when I upgraded from your launchpad--not through the GUI which gave an error, but through the CLI, which worked well.  Here's the paste:  http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/210132.
[05:07] <dgroos> stgrager: Actually, I noticed that the errors I've had these last couple of days with hal sometimes included things about the ldm-server.  I wonder if I didn't properly address this earlier and it led to some problems... FYI
[05:11] <Svenstaro> dgroos, oh hi again, I see you've taken note of my note taking :P
[05:13] <dgroos> :)
[05:18] <dgroos> Svenstaro: And thinking about time-o-day it would be around 7-8 AM?  Pretty early or late?
[05:20] <Svenstaro> Late I guess
[05:21] <Svenstaro> I'm starting to think that I might have way too many projects.
[05:22] <Svenstaro> And thanks for your complements.
[05:28] <dgroos> Svenstaro:  :)
[15:43] <stgraber> dgroos: that's the expected behavior, ldm-server replaces ldminfod so it conflicts with ldminfod to get it removed
[16:18] <sn9> bug 269853 is annoying
[16:29] <sn9> ogra: apparently, the bug triager asked the reporter for more info, and the reporter misunderstood what was asked, leading it to be marked Invalid, but the bug is still there
[18:27] <dgroos> stgraber: for sure. Is, 'Try command line interface to install package when package won't install via gui" common wisdom in Linux world?
[18:53] <stgraber> dgroos: when using a PPA containing backports of the current development version, yes it's
[18:55] <stgraber> update-manager (the GUI) is supposed to do the same with the -c option but it's usually used for dist-upgrading to the next release, not dist-upgrading to the current release
[19:28] <Daskreec1> Hello
[19:28] <Daskreec1>  what's a good Biology application for High school level studetns?
[19:39] <dgroos> Hi Daskreec1
[19:39] <dgroos> I don't think too many teachers hang out on this list...
[19:41] <dgroos> Personally, I don't know of a good app.  I'd suggest signing up for the edubuntu users list and asking there--Here's the address... https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/edubuntu-users.
[19:41] <dgroos> good luck.
[19:46] <Daskreec1> Thanks. Everything seems focused on the molecular or genetic level. I'd like something much lighter
[19:59] <Daskreec1> dgroos: Also is there a wikipedia offline reader available ?
[20:15] <Daskreec1> hi dgroos welcome back
[20:16] <dgroos> Daskreec1: I googled and found no definitive yes--sorry.
[20:19] <a-st> hello
[20:20] <a-st> Does the edubuntu cd work with ubuntu and kubuntu?
[20:20] <Daskreec1> Thre was a KDE one called knowledge year or so back
[20:21] <a-st> So it just works with ubuntu?
[20:23] <Daskreec1> a-st I think there is a edubuntu-kde-desktop package you can install
[20:23] <a-st> okay thx
[20:33] <Daskreec1> scroll-keepr is taking up 70% of my CPU. What's that supposed to be doing?
[20:36] <Daskreec1> !info edubuntu-desktop-kde | a-st
[20:37] <a-st> oky thx trying it in a vbox ;)
[20:38] <Daskreec1> ok :)
[23:02] <UbuntuNewb> Hello!
[23:02] <sn9> hi
[23:02] <UbuntuNewb> I have a question about setting up a FTP server on my Unbuntu jaunty...
[23:02] <sn9> you sure ftp is what you want?
[23:02] <UbuntuNewb> Is it possible I can ask that question here?
[23:03] <UbuntuNewb> no, no necessarily, I just want read/write access remotely to my hdd
[23:04] <UbuntuNewb> Is there a reason not to choose FTP?
[23:04] <sn9> because it's not meant for that?
[23:05] <UbuntuNewb> ok, what would you recommend then?
[23:05] <UbuntuNewb> I'm quite new to ubuntu
[23:06] <sn9> ubuntu has an integrated sftp client
[23:06] <UbuntuNewb> ok, would you recommend it?
[23:06] <sn9> yes, since on the server side, setup is dead-simple
[23:06] <UbuntuNewb> great
[23:07] <UbuntuNewb> what's it called?
[23:07] <sn9> all you do is install a single package on the server, and everything is ready
[23:07] <sn9> the package is openssh-server
[23:07] <UbuntuNewb> ok great..
[23:07] <sn9> you don't even need it on the client, just the server
[23:08] <UbuntuNewb> ok, and I can app it with synaptic?
[23:08] <sn9> on the client, Places -> Connect to Server... -> Service type: SSH
[23:09] <sn9> yes, install that pkg with synaptic
[23:09] <sn9> on the server only
[23:09] <UbuntuNewb> cool...
[23:10] <UbuntuNewb> my only issue is that the client will be running on windows machines...
[23:10] <sn9> ohhhhh
[23:10] <UbuntuNewb> do you know a good ssh client for xp for instance?
[23:10] <sn9> then you want to use samba instead
[23:10] <UbuntuNewb> aha, ok...
[23:11] <sn9> unless it will be over the public internet, which is a bad use of samba
[23:11] <UbuntuNewb> it it to be used over the Internet
[23:11] <UbuntuNewb> sadlyy.. I'm going abroad and need acess to my files
[23:11] <sn9> sftp is ok, then
[23:12] <UbuntuNewb> sftp, is it SSL or why is it called sftp?
[23:12] <sn9> only sftp client i really know for windows is putty
[23:12] <UbuntuNewb> ok, will suffice
[23:13] <sn9> unless you have access to KDE for windows, which has one called FiSH
[23:13] <alkisg> UbuntuNewb: for file copying over sftp, filezilla & winscp
[23:13] <alkisg> (windows)
[23:14] <sn9> ok, those will likely work better than putty
[23:14] <alkisg> Yeah, putty is for remote ssh session mainly :)
[23:14] <UbuntuNewb> alkisg, thnx
[23:14] <sn9> try filezilla first
[23:14] <UbuntuNewb> will do.
[23:14] <UbuntuNewb> so How do I setup the server?
[23:15] <alkisg> sudo apt-get install openssh-server
[23:15] <sn9> install openssh-server and just go
[23:15] <UbuntuNewb> okidoki
[23:17] <UbuntuNewb> my machine is really slow, I'm running it off a Atom 1200
[23:18] <sn9> better that than a celeron
[23:19] <UbuntuNewb> so, I think it's installing now...
[23:19] <UbuntuNewb> also I'm running the whole setup off of a compactflash card
[23:20] <UbuntuNewb> So, it's dead silent but a little slow...
[23:23] <alkisg> What, no cpu fan?
[23:23] <UbuntuNewb> a small cpu fan, low rpm...
[23:23] <sn9> make sure you have no swap partition
[23:23] <UbuntuNewb> and a 12 Cm fan in the chasis, very low rpm
[23:24] <UbuntuNewb> yes, I pulled down the "swapiness" to 5 I think
[23:24] <sn9> turn it off altogether
[23:25] <UbuntuNewb> could do, I just got recommendations to leasve it on 5... dunno why
[23:25] <UbuntuNewb> It swaps 1 Mbyte at a maximum
[23:25] <sn9> the wiki page on ubuntu on the aspireone has better suggestions than that
[23:26] <UbuntuNewb> how do I turn off the swap+
[23:27] <sn9> sudo swapoff -a
[23:27] <UbuntuNewb> I see now that it exceeds the swapsize I previously mentioned, it swaps ~200MB
[23:27] <sn9> but that's only until the next boot
[23:28] <UbuntuNewb> ok.
[23:28] <UbuntuNewb> openssh still installing
[23:29] <UbuntuNewb> it's not the fastest machine in the world. =)
[23:29] <UbuntuNewb> ok, done.
[23:30] <UbuntuNewb> is there a GUI to setup the ssh?
[23:30] <UbuntuNewb> the ssh server.
[23:30] <alkisg> No need to setup anything, really...
[23:30] <alkisg> You just put your username/password to filezilla, select sftp and copy the files
[23:31] <UbuntuNewb> but I have to set my user/password into the server somewhere don't I?
[23:31] <alkisg> It uses your account info
[23:31] <sn9> well, for remote access, don't forget to forward port 22
[23:31] <UbuntuNewb> aha. Cool!
[23:31] <UbuntuNewb> sweet
[23:32] <UbuntuNewb> Do I need a strong  password? I guess I do...
[23:37] <UbuntuNewb> thank you guys.. It's not really working right now... but that's probably due to my lousy router
[23:38] <alkisg> Yeah, you need the port forwarding that sn9 said
[23:38] <UbuntuNewb> I've forwarded the port 22 to my local machine
[23:38] <UbuntuNewb> still nothing.
[23:38] <alkisg> And sometimes the ISP blocks the ports < 1024, so you have to port forward from 8022 to 22 or something
[23:38] <UbuntuNewb> I had the same issue with the ftp server I tried earlier
[23:38] <UbuntuNewb> ah ok...
[23:39] <UbuntuNewb> trying that
[23:39] <UbuntuNewb> hmmm.. nope.
[23:39] <UbuntuNewb> I get a ping through with reply
[23:40] <UbuntuNewb> is it possible that the local firewall (firestarter) is blocking it?
[23:40] <sn9> yes
[23:41] <UbuntuNewb> ok... :s
[23:41] <UbuntuNewb> *stopping firewall
[23:41] <UbuntuNewb> still nothing...
[23:41] <UbuntuNewb> timeout is all I get on the client