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Drknezz:(00:00
Drknezz#kubuntu is a ghost-town, and no one in #ubuntu seems to know about this?00:01
DrknezzCan i ask for help in here?00:01
Monika|K5 miles biking is not exactly far00:01
Monika|K5 miles running on the other hand ... I don't know how people do this without dropping dead ;)00:02
macoDrknezz, yeah sure00:04
DrknezzHi, i have a sound issue with Amarok, every other sound in the system works, but not Amarok, it stopped working all fo a sudden, Help?00:05
Drknezz:(00:05
macoMonika|K, the weight of the bike probably factors into it00:05
DrknezzNo other player plays that file for some odd reason00:05
DrknezzOnly amarok does00:05
macoMonika|K, ive got a very heavy men's mountain bike...and i'm a very light woman00:05
* claydoh has a medium-heavy mtb (aluminum) and is very fat00:06
macoDrknezz, because i'm told that i'm the only person for whom amarok works with pulseaudio, i'm going to start with asking what "apt-cache policy pulseaudio" says00:06
claydohbut yeah, if I had a steel bike it would be tons harder00:07
Drknezzmaco: Not installed00:07
macoclaydoh, my bike is 44lb according to google00:07
macowow...my bike weighs > 1/3 what i weigh00:08
claydohouch00:08
Monika|Kwait, Google can weight stuff now, too? ^^00:08
Monika|Ks/weight/weigh/00:08
macoMonika|K, i googled the model and looked it up00:08
Monika|Kof course ;)00:08
Drknezzmaco: i'll reboot to see if other stuff i saw on web pages work00:09
Drknezzmaco: brb00:09
macoclaydoh, i think i want a women's comfort bike...or cruiser...00:14
claydohyeah00:14
macoi'm looking at giantforwomen.com, but the site's entirely javascript (grrrr) so i'm having trouble.... i also dont know which would handle hills better00:14
claydohI like gary fisher bikes, though giant probably has a broader price range00:15
macothe local bike store carries giant00:16
macothough i did just learn that there's one even closer than that...like 1/2 mile instead of a mile00:17
claydohbut a comfort bike will prob have better gear range than a cruiser, better for hills00:17
macothat's good to know00:19
macoi havent tried biking up the hill to my apt yet00:19
macowhen i was a little kid, i could do a hill this steep, but i'm out of shape now, my bike's heavier, and i'd be lugging around at least a backpack00:20
nixternalclaydoh: I am jealous of the TdF in high-def :(00:25
nixternalmaco: you could do 5 miles...if I rode with Claydoh he would ride more than 5 as well00:25
claydohI just got a new 32 inc lcd yesterday00:25
nixternalmust be nice00:25
claydohmuch better than the 27inch crt that died00:26
nixternalmy old ass mom can do 5 miles, so I know you can do more than 5 claydoh00:26
maconixternal, maybe if i had a bike that i could lift00:26
nixternaland her conditions are probably worse00:26
macoi cant even pick mine up off the ground00:26
nixternalmaco: bah00:26
nixternalas long as it fits and rides you can do it00:26
macogetting up and down stairs to the storage room sucks :(00:26
nixternalnever say you can't, have faith00:26
macoits a *little* too tall, i think00:26
claydohnixternal: yeah can do more, but then me n the mrs and the dogs went for a walk in the woods :)00:26
nixternalbut you are so damn small, it should be so easy00:26
nixternalclaydoh: ahh gotcha00:27
maconixternal, me?00:27
nixternalI see big dudes riding forever around here00:27
nixternalmaco: yes you00:27
nixternalI think my daughter is about your size and she isn't even 13 year :)00:27
claydohnixternal: thye tv was *only* 400 bux, but I had to buy one00:27
nixternals/year/yet00:27
nixternalclaydoh: damn, that is cheap00:27
claydohyeah, else I would have gotten a used tv from freecyle or something00:28
nixternalmy first time riding a bike in 20 years, after smoking and partying for 20 years, I did 20 miles00:28
nixternala slow and painful 20 miles, but I did it00:28
nixternalin august I am going to do 300 miles in 24 hours supposedly00:28
nixternalmy arse won't be able to take that00:28
maconixternal, my bike: http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=423151800:28
claydohowchie00:28
nixternalmaco: you could easily do it on that bike, even though that is a pretty bad bike00:29
* claydoh agrees00:29
macoeh, *maybe* if i didnt have a backpack with laptop and 2 saddlebags full of stuff00:29
* claydoh got his gary fisher used for $15000:30
maco(i was moving from the old apartment to the new one. rode to chinatown, then metro'd up the hill)00:30
nixternalmaco: http://www.trekbikes.com/us/en/bikes/road/fx/72fxwsd/   <- I think that bike right there would suit you best...of course not that paint job though00:30
nixternalyou can probably pick that up at a LBS for around $350 now I bet00:30
nixternalyou would love it00:30
nixternalall the ladies in my life are riding that bike pretty much now...I have gotten them all addicted00:31
nixternalit is a great bike00:31
nixternalyou can move up to the 7.3FX WSD and you can easily lift it, as it is even lighter00:31
nixternalI use a 7.3FX for my commuter bike and love it00:31
nixternalmy training bike is a Trek 1.2T and my racing/group ride bike is a Trek Madone 6.9 Pro00:32
Monika|Kbut nixternal, that's a men's bike00:33
nixternalMonika|K: the 7.2FX WSD isn't00:33
macothe fact that apparently you're *not* supposed to be able to put your feet flat on the ground while on the seat confuses me00:34
nixternalmaco: no, when sitting on your seat, only the balls of your feet should touch the ground00:34
nixternalit isn't a Harley :p00:34
macoone foot's toe can00:34
Monika|Kbut it has the bar far up00:34
nixternalat least you understand that, took me a week to explain that to my dad00:34
Monika|Kmaco, only kids bikes are designed so that one can put one's feet on the ground00:35
nixternalhttp://www.trekbikes.com/women/  <- you have all of those options as wel00:35
macooh. last time i rode a bike i was 1200:35
nixternalTrek is the #1 women's bike manufacturer there is00:35
nixternalmaco: I was pretty damn close as well last I rode00:35
nixternalI have only been riding for a year00:35
macoi wish bicycle skirtguards were available here00:36
macoit sucks having to tuck my skirt up all under my butt and then not being able to get off the seat when stopped00:36
nixternalrofl00:36
* ryanakca wonders what got nixternal hooked on cycling00:36
maco(because if i get off the seat, i have to tuck the skirt up again)00:36
nixternalryanakca: I bought a bike to commute and that was it00:36
Monika|Kyeah, riding a bicycle with a skirt or dress sucks00:36
nixternalI ended up buying a second bike, the 1.2T and that really got me addicted00:37
nixternalthen I worked with the LBS to get the Trek Madon 6.9 custom made for me for way less than the $10,000 price tag00:37
Monika|Kbut luckily as a developer I work in jeans, so I can easily ride my bike to work00:37
macoits too hot out for jeans00:37
nixternalMonika|K: bah, if I can't work in shorts and flip flops, I won't work there :)00:37
macoonce may comes around, it's skirt season00:37
Monika|Kyou can work in shorts and flip flops, too00:37
nixternaljeesh, you should see some of the women downtown00:38
Monika|Kthere is no dress code, at all00:38
nixternalthey will wear skirts and let them blow00:38
nixternalthey cause a lot of accidents00:38
Monika|Klol00:38
Monika|Kbut nixternal, try to ride a bike in a dress and prevent it from blowing, then let's discuss that again ;)00:38
nixternalwhen i would go out for a smoke I would watch them go by, and then watch the other cyclists and motorists to see what they would do00:38
Monika|Kstupid dress won't listen to "stay down finally!"00:38
nixternalI saw plenty of people get rear ended, a couple of cyclists run into a parked car00:38
nixternaljust stairing00:38
macohah i saw a girl in a breezy mini skirt standing on her pedals with a boy riding 4 feet behind00:39
macoMonika|K, headband around the thigh, pin the skirt to it00:39
macothen the front of it won't go up00:39
macofor the back...you know how back when women wore hoops in their skirts, theyd have to lift the skirts behind their back when sitting (cuz if you sit on the hoop, the front of your skirt goes up)?00:40
nixternalheh, the team I ride with, since I am new I tend to ride with the women who have been racing for a while, and the other night was my first night out and one of them, Sandy, said, "Just keep your eyes on my ass and you will do fine"00:40
macopull it up in the back so that you're sitting on the part of your skirt that should be near your knees00:40
nixternalit took me about 10 seconds before it registered00:40
nixternalno matter how much I watched, it got smaller and smaller as she pulled away, leaving me in her dust00:41
Monika|Kmaco if I ever try to ride a bike with a skirt/dress again (did recently ... very bad), I will have to try it like that00:41
nixternaljust wear a pair of shorts under the skirt and let it fly...I swear the reactions are worth it!00:41
macoi dont own a pair of shorts...00:42
macohavent in...umm...6 or 7 years00:42
nixternaljust to see some dude run into a parked car is total money00:42
nixternaland never get caught downtown chicago when they are doing the naked ride00:42
nixternalit is both erotic and disturbing at the same time00:43
macoif i have my saddlebags on, i can just drape the back of my skirt over the saddlebags and rack and itll hook around them and stay down00:43
nixternalya, I do that when I wear a skirt :)00:43
macowell anyway....when i get a women's bike, it better have fenders so i can put a skirtguard on it00:44
ryanakcanixternal: Seeing that you're a MOTU, could you push bug 395604 through please?00:45
ubottuLaunchpad bug 395604 in libqinfinity "Sync libqinfinity 1.0~beta3-1 (universe) from Debian experimental (main)." [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/39560400:45
nixternalI can ack it, that's about it00:45
maconixternal, dude, giant's much better price range than trek. The Bike Rack has a giant for $289 i think00:45
ryanakcaNo difference between the two, all I did was take the debian version (which was in NEW), add a 0ubuntu1 changelog entry and mangle the maintainer.00:46
nixternalgiant == crap though when cheap00:46
nixternalif you don't pay at least $2000 on a giant, it isn't that good00:46
ryanakcaWell, mangle the maintainer field... the maintainer is still intact00:46
nixternalplus giant doesn't spend millions working with women to create the best bikes00:46
ryanakcanixternal: thanks, and subscribe the archive admins?00:46
nixternalaren't you a MOTU?00:46
ryanakcanixternal: Not yet :)00:47
nixternalshoot, Ubuntu Package ARchive Admins right?00:48
nixternalI can't remember who to subscribe..I just subscribed someone though :)00:48
ryanakcanixternal: I think that's them00:49
ryanakcaOr I can just poke Riddell in the morning :)00:49
nixternalwell then, I just rung their doorbell and let them know :)00:49
* nixternal grabs a bite to eat before going to watch not-so-silent-fireworks00:49
ryanakcanixternal: Thanks, have fun :)00:50
Quintasanhmm, I wonder why firefox-3.5 was using qt windows and buttons and firefox-3.0 update to 3.5 with ubuntuzilla doesnt01:22
voriani'm home and alive!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!06:25
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jussi01cripes, vorian's back, everyone hide!!!07:46
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Quintasanhiho10:48
Quintasando we have minirok 2.0 in karmic?10:48
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e-jathow can i disable kbluetooth4 applet in at startup?14:26
milianwhen I have kdelibs-dbg installed, should list work properly in gdb?15:28
miliansince I only get a singleline like that: "429     in /build/buildd/kde4libs-4.2.95/kate/render/katerenderer.cpp"15:29
milian(i have kdelibs5-dbg installed)15:30
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hsittere-jat: uninstall it? ;-)16:43
e-jathsitter: ?16:43
e-jatuninstall it ?16:43
hsitterkbuletooth416:43
e-jatowh ..16:43
hsitterI suppose16:44
e-jatkdebluetooth ?16:44
hsitteryou could copy it from /etc/xdg/autostart to $HOME/.config/autostart16:44
e-jatsince blueman package16:44
hsitterand edit it16:44
e-jatdo much better :)16:44
hsitteractually /usr/share/autostart/kblueplugd.desktop16:45
e-jatok .. then remove it from /usr/share/autostart?16:45
hsitterwell16:46
e-jatthanks ..16:46
hsitterno16:46
e-jatthen ?16:46
hsitterthat will be reverted the next time it gets updated16:46
e-jatwhat the best i should do ?16:46
hsittereither you can override it with $HOME/.config/autostart/ or you have to remove the whole package16:47
hsitteranyway16:47
hsittere-jat: #kubuntu for support16:47
e-jator maybe i can16:47
e-jatX-KDE-autostart-condition=kbluetoothrc:General:AutoStart:true16:47
e-jatchange it to false ?16:47
e-jatanyway .. thanks for da info ..16:48
e-jatgive me some idea to try it out :)16:48
hsitterANYTHIN you change about that file will be undown upon upgrade of the kdebluetooth package16:48
hsitterthat includes removal, permission change, content editing....16:48
hsitters/undown/undone16:48
e-jatic ..16:49
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hsitterlex79: btw, the fix for bug 388643 should be pushed to debian17:10
hsitterif they didn't fix it yet17:10
ubottuError: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: The read operation timed out (https://launchpad.net/bugs/388643/+text)17:10
lex79launchpad bug 38864317:17
ubottuLaunchpad bug 388643 in kdebase-runtime "KDE4 apps dont have icons" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/38864317:17
lex79ah ok hsitter17:18
* hsitter is wondering where jonny is18:47
macoer....what's up with kdebase? kdebase in svn has a different tree than the kdebase source package18:53
EagleScreenKubuntu karmic crash X at closeing session when kdm or xdm are running18:54
macoooh nevermind. there's a kdebase-workspace and kdebase-runtime18:57
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d_edhey, can I have some packaging help20:25
d_edI've packaged something uploaded to a PPA which had incorrect dependencies, which failed.20:26
d_ednow fixed that, but I need to give it a new version number20:26
d_eddoes it need a changelog entry?20:26
vorianif you want to keep track of the changes you made20:26
d_ednot really20:27
hsitterwhich is pretty much the point of a changelog :D20:27
hsitterd_ed: just change the version then20:27
d_edalso the version name in the changelog  is (sourceVersion-0ubuntu1) (currently)20:27
d_edi don't understand why there are two numbers by the word ubuntu?20:28
hsitterwell, first of all you shouldn't be using 0ubuntu1 but 0ubuntu1~ppa120:28
vorianthe first number is the debian version (0 being no debian version)20:28
hsitteras for the two numbers, one is presenting the package revision in debian and the second one is for ubuntu20:28
d_edand does it go to 0ubuntu2 ?20:29
vorianlolz20:29
d_edah, that makes sense20:29
hsitterso kde4libs 4.3-1 would be in debian20:29
vorianthey wish it were20:29
hsitterthen we go and get that package and improve it ... once we upload it is 4.3-1ubuntu120:29
hsitterthen we just increase the last number: 1ubuntu2, 1ubuntu3....20:30
hsittermeanwhile debian also does improvements of their own, so they have -2, -3, -420:30
d_edthanks very much.20:30
hsitterat some point we merge the packages and get 4.3-4ubuntu120:30
d_edIt's my first attempt at packaging really20:30
vorianthe important part of ppa, it they alway ALWAYS should end in ~ppa120:30
vorianor ~ppa*20:31
hsitter*nod*20:31
d_edI'm only uploading it to the PPA to tell if it works so I can push to revu20:31
* hsitter thinks that should be enforced anyway20:31
d_edshould probably put it anyway20:31
hsitteryay20:31
hsitterI am getting beaten for mailing to kde-i18n-doc \o/20:32
d_edwhat did you say?20:32
vorianbeaten for what?20:32
hsitterjust asked for assistance20:32
hsittervorian: working on kubuntu I suppose20:32
vorianweird20:32
d_edfor ki18n you have to ask for assistance in a range of languages or you get beaten.20:32
hsitterassistance in making Kubuntu's translation not suck20:33
d_edI read part of the kde-devel post20:33
hsittervorian: I usually get beaten up for that ... good luck I am not at gcds20:33
hsitterthat sounds weird20:34
vorianha20:34
vorianyeah, bad translation there20:34
vorian:P20:34
hsitters/luck/thing20:34
hsitterAt some point I will just use en_GB, way easier to get right :P20:35
vorianI don't speak en20:35
d_edhsitter: you're German right?20:36
vorianen_HB20:36
hsitterno, no one likes germans20:36
hsitterI am austrian, and everyone likes austrians because no one exactly knows where they are from20:37
vorian+120:37
d_edAustria I imagine20:38
hsitterwell20:39
hsitterkubotu: search where the heck is austria20:39
kubotuResults for where the heck is austria: 1. Heck horse - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heck_horse | 2. Wien? Where the heck are we? Vienna, Austria: http://www.traveljournals.net/stories/29052.html | 3. Austrian Information - November-December 2007 - Award: Brigadier ...: http://www.austrianinformation.org/november-december-2007/award-brigadier-general-guntmar-heck.html20:39
hsitterthe second result is awesome :D20:40
d_edI'm busy finding out what a heck horse is...20:40
macowhy doesnt everybody agree to call locations what the locals call it?20:40
hsittermore ads than content :D20:40
macoitd make it a lot easier when i look at a map of europe and can find Wien but not Vienna or München but not Munich20:41
hsittertrue20:41
d_edor you could just rename your cities to match what we call them.20:42
macod_ed, define "we" ;)20:42
hsitterlike Fucking20:42
macohuh?20:42
hsittergoogle maps: Fucking, Upper Austria, Austria20:42
macointeresting20:43
hsitteruh, google maps even got a fancy pic :D20:43
d_edI might need to take a road trip.20:43
hsitterhttp://www.panoramio.com/photo/1230114220:43
voriannice20:45
voriankubotu: search where the crap is chillicothe20:46
kubotuResults for where the crap is chillicothe: 1. YouTube - Chillicothe man gets the crap scared out of him: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFkw9nzdMdk | 2. Chillicothe's own Breakfast Club: Do '80s teen film stereotypes ...: http://www.youthrights.org/forums/showthread.php?p=382638 | 3. Reviews of Pinewood Estates Chillicothe, 61523: http://www.merchantcircle.com/business/Pinewood.Estates.309-579-2897/review/list20:46
vorianweird20:46
* vorian clicks20:46
hsitteroh dear20:46
voriandumb20:47
vorianthis is the best ever http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj-x9ygQEGA20:48
Riddellhola chicoas20:49
vorianhi Riddell20:50
d_edRiddell: l hey, I've packaged Aurorae as requested a few days back. Currently in my PPA building to see if I've done it right.20:51
hsitterhm20:51
voriani think arorae is already in the archives20:51
hsitterRiddell: is the council polling over yet?20:51
vorianaurorae too20:51
* hsitter looks for url20:51
vorianhsitter: yeah, i'm teh lozer20:51
macosomeone was working on it a few days ago20:52
d_edd'oh!20:52
macod_ed, do you know about pbuilder?20:52
vorian!info kwin-style-aurorae karmic20:52
ubottukwin-style-aurorae (source: kwin-style-aurorae): Theme engine for KWin window decorations. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.1.1-0ubuntu1 (karmic), package size 63 kB, installed size 244 kB20:52
hsittervorian: well, we need to work on your public image I suppose20:52
d_eddon't think so.  I use a text editor, debuild and deput.20:52
d_ed*dput20:53
* hsitter thinks we should do campaigns for council membership20:53
vorianhsitter: no biggie - I figured i'd be the lozer against you guys20:53
hsitterfund raisers first of course20:53
macod_ed, pbuilder will build binary debs from your source package so you dont have to upload to a ppa over and over20:53
voriani'm not nearly as chatty on irc20:53
vorianon this channel at least :P20:53
d_edI've typed "debian/rules" a lot, but that doesn't test all the control file, which is the tricky part20:54
hsittervorian: yeah, you gotta do more flirting20:54
macod_ed, right, so use pbuilder. it does it in a bare minimal chroot so you know if the dependencies and all are correct20:54
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flirtythis should help20:55
hsitterthat reminds me of tweety20:55
hsitterflirty: yeah, make that stick and people will love you20:55
flirtypleast test !info qwit karmic20:56
flirty!info qwit karmic20:56
ubottuqwit (source: qwit): simple Qt4-based client for Twitter and Identi.ca. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9+svn171-0ubuntu1 (karmic), package size 194 kB, installed size 640 kB20:56
d_edoh, suhweet20:57
d_edthanks maco20:57
d_edI like you already.20:57
hsitterqwit doesn't look sexy => no go for me :P20:57
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jussi01hsitter: rofl!!20:57
hsitterhm, back to good ol vorian :S20:57
vorianwe know who jussi01 voted for20:57
vorian:P20:57
jussi01vorian: sadly, Im not a kubuntu member, I couldnt vote20:58
hsitterso, why did vorian, rgreening and moi get 2 no votes and jonny only one?20:58
vorianoh, well then20:58
jussi01vorian: stupid bureaucracy20:58
voriancuz you dudes voted against me, and jonny didn't vote against anyone20:58
vorianah20:58
hsitterwell20:58
* jussi01 is an ubuntu member...20:59
* hsitter thinks jonny voted 'no' on everyone but him 20:59
hsitterand someone voted no on everyone20:59
hsitterwhich is kinda unproductive20:59
* jussi01 has no idea who jonny is...20:59
hsitteror every candidate voted no on the others, but one candidate who gave jonny a yes ... you know the analytics of that are quite interesting21:00
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hsitterdid I already tell you that one can't register a google groups named kubuntu-analytics for somewhat obvious reasons ;-)21:01
hsitterreason even21:01
macojussi01, ditto21:01
hsitterjontheechidna21:01
jussi01ahh21:02
* hsitter goes bedwise21:06
hsitternini21:06
d_ednight21:11
vorianwhere is jonny anyways21:17
jussi01vorian: he is on holidays21:17
vorianI have no idea how this silly aurorae works21:17
vorianmeh, i just got back too21:17
jussi01he said back in a wek and a half a few days back21:17
voriani see21:17
vorianso, where can aurorae themes be found?21:39

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