[00:00] <Drknezz> :(
[00:01] <Drknezz> #kubuntu is a ghost-town, and no one in #ubuntu seems to know about this?
[00:01] <Drknezz> Can i ask for help in here?
[00:01] <Monika|K> 5 miles biking is not exactly far
[00:02] <Monika|K> 5 miles running on the other hand ... I don't know how people do this without dropping dead ;)
[00:04] <maco> Drknezz, yeah sure
[00:05] <Drknezz> Hi, i have a sound issue with Amarok, every other sound in the system works, but not Amarok, it stopped working all fo a sudden, Help?
[00:05] <Drknezz> :(
[00:05] <maco> Monika|K, the weight of the bike probably factors into it
[00:05] <Drknezz> No other player plays that file for some odd reason
[00:05] <Drknezz> Only amarok does
[00:05] <maco> Monika|K, ive got a very heavy men's mountain bike...and i'm a very light woman
[00:06]  * claydoh has a medium-heavy mtb (aluminum) and is very fat
[00:06] <maco> Drknezz, because i'm told that i'm the only person for whom amarok works with pulseaudio, i'm going to start with asking what "apt-cache policy pulseaudio" says
[00:07] <claydoh> but yeah, if I had a steel bike it would be tons harder
[00:07] <Drknezz> maco: Not installed
[00:07] <maco> claydoh, my bike is 44lb according to google
[00:08] <maco> wow...my bike weighs > 1/3 what i weigh
[00:08] <claydoh> ouch
[00:08] <Monika|K> wait, Google can weight stuff now, too? ^^
[00:08] <Monika|K> s/weight/weigh/
[00:08] <maco> Monika|K, i googled the model and looked it up
[00:08] <Monika|K> of course ;)
[00:09] <Drknezz> maco: i'll reboot to see if other stuff i saw on web pages work
[00:09] <Drknezz> maco: brb
[00:14] <maco> claydoh, i think i want a women's comfort bike...or cruiser...
[00:14] <claydoh> yeah
[00:14] <maco> i'm looking at giantforwomen.com, but the site's entirely javascript (grrrr) so i'm having trouble.... i also dont know which would handle hills better
[00:15] <claydoh> I like gary fisher bikes, though giant probably has a broader price range
[00:16] <maco> the local bike store carries giant
[00:17] <maco> though i did just learn that there's one even closer than that...like 1/2 mile instead of a mile
[00:17] <claydoh> but a comfort bike will prob have better gear range than a cruiser, better for hills
[00:19] <maco> that's good to know
[00:19] <maco> i havent tried biking up the hill to my apt yet
[00:20] <maco> when i was a little kid, i could do a hill this steep, but i'm out of shape now, my bike's heavier, and i'd be lugging around at least a backpack
[00:25] <nixternal> claydoh: I am jealous of the TdF in high-def :(
[00:25] <nixternal> maco: you could do 5 miles...if I rode with Claydoh he would ride more than 5 as well
[00:25] <claydoh> I just got a new 32 inc lcd yesterday
[00:25] <nixternal> must be nice
[00:26] <claydoh> much better than the 27inch crt that died
[00:26] <nixternal> my old ass mom can do 5 miles, so I know you can do more than 5 claydoh
[00:26] <maco> nixternal, maybe if i had a bike that i could lift
[00:26] <nixternal> and her conditions are probably worse
[00:26] <maco> i cant even pick mine up off the ground
[00:26] <nixternal> maco: bah
[00:26] <nixternal> as long as it fits and rides you can do it
[00:26] <maco> getting up and down stairs to the storage room sucks :(
[00:26] <nixternal> never say you can't, have faith
[00:26] <maco> its a *little* too tall, i think
[00:26] <claydoh> nixternal: yeah can do more, but then me n the mrs and the dogs went for a walk in the woods :)
[00:26] <nixternal> but you are so damn small, it should be so easy
[00:27] <nixternal> claydoh: ahh gotcha
[00:27] <maco> nixternal, me?
[00:27] <nixternal> I see big dudes riding forever around here
[00:27] <nixternal> maco: yes you
[00:27] <nixternal> I think my daughter is about your size and she isn't even 13 year :)
[00:27] <claydoh> nixternal: thye tv was *only* 400 bux, but I had to buy one
[00:27] <nixternal> s/year/yet
[00:27] <nixternal> claydoh: damn, that is cheap
[00:28] <claydoh> yeah, else I would have gotten a used tv from freecyle or something
[00:28] <nixternal> my first time riding a bike in 20 years, after smoking and partying for 20 years, I did 20 miles
[00:28] <nixternal> a slow and painful 20 miles, but I did it
[00:28] <nixternal> in august I am going to do 300 miles in 24 hours supposedly
[00:28] <nixternal> my arse won't be able to take that
[00:28] <maco> nixternal, my bike: http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=4231518
[00:28] <claydoh> owchie
[00:29] <nixternal> maco: you could easily do it on that bike, even though that is a pretty bad bike
[00:29]  * claydoh agrees
[00:29] <maco> eh, *maybe* if i didnt have a backpack with laptop and 2 saddlebags full of stuff
[00:30]  * claydoh got his gary fisher used for $150
[00:30] <maco> (i was moving from the old apartment to the new one. rode to chinatown, then metro'd up the hill)
[00:30] <nixternal> maco: http://www.trekbikes.com/us/en/bikes/road/fx/72fxwsd/   <- I think that bike right there would suit you best...of course not that paint job though
[00:30] <nixternal> you can probably pick that up at a LBS for around $350 now I bet
[00:30] <nixternal> you would love it
[00:31] <nixternal> all the ladies in my life are riding that bike pretty much now...I have gotten them all addicted
[00:31] <nixternal> it is a great bike
[00:31] <nixternal> you can move up to the 7.3FX WSD and you can easily lift it, as it is even lighter
[00:31] <nixternal> I use a 7.3FX for my commuter bike and love it
[00:32] <nixternal> my training bike is a Trek 1.2T and my racing/group ride bike is a Trek Madone 6.9 Pro
[00:33] <Monika|K> but nixternal, that's a men's bike
[00:33] <nixternal> Monika|K: the 7.2FX WSD isn't
[00:34] <maco> the fact that apparently you're *not* supposed to be able to put your feet flat on the ground while on the seat confuses me
[00:34] <nixternal> maco: no, when sitting on your seat, only the balls of your feet should touch the ground
[00:34] <nixternal> it isn't a Harley :p
[00:34] <maco> one foot's toe can
[00:34] <Monika|K> but it has the bar far up
[00:34] <nixternal> at least you understand that, took me a week to explain that to my dad
[00:35] <Monika|K> maco, only kids bikes are designed so that one can put one's feet on the ground
[00:35] <nixternal> http://www.trekbikes.com/women/  <- you have all of those options as wel
[00:35] <maco> oh. last time i rode a bike i was 12
[00:35] <nixternal> Trek is the #1 women's bike manufacturer there is
[00:35] <nixternal> maco: I was pretty damn close as well last I rode
[00:35] <nixternal> I have only been riding for a year
[00:36] <maco> i wish bicycle skirtguards were available here
[00:36] <maco> it sucks having to tuck my skirt up all under my butt and then not being able to get off the seat when stopped
[00:36] <nixternal> rofl
[00:36]  * ryanakca wonders what got nixternal hooked on cycling
[00:36] <maco> (because if i get off the seat, i have to tuck the skirt up again)
[00:36] <nixternal> ryanakca: I bought a bike to commute and that was it
[00:36] <Monika|K> yeah, riding a bicycle with a skirt or dress sucks
[00:37] <nixternal> I ended up buying a second bike, the 1.2T and that really got me addicted
[00:37] <nixternal> then I worked with the LBS to get the Trek Madon 6.9 custom made for me for way less than the $10,000 price tag
[00:37] <Monika|K> but luckily as a developer I work in jeans, so I can easily ride my bike to work
[00:37] <maco> its too hot out for jeans
[00:37] <nixternal> Monika|K: bah, if I can't work in shorts and flip flops, I won't work there :)
[00:37] <maco> once may comes around, it's skirt season
[00:37] <Monika|K> you can work in shorts and flip flops, too
[00:38] <nixternal> jeesh, you should see some of the women downtown
[00:38] <Monika|K> there is no dress code, at all
[00:38] <nixternal> they will wear skirts and let them blow
[00:38] <nixternal> they cause a lot of accidents
[00:38] <Monika|K> lol
[00:38] <Monika|K> but nixternal, try to ride a bike in a dress and prevent it from blowing, then let's discuss that again ;)
[00:38] <nixternal> when i would go out for a smoke I would watch them go by, and then watch the other cyclists and motorists to see what they would do
[00:38] <Monika|K> stupid dress won't listen to "stay down finally!"
[00:38] <nixternal> I saw plenty of people get rear ended, a couple of cyclists run into a parked car
[00:38] <nixternal> just stairing
[00:39] <maco> hah i saw a girl in a breezy mini skirt standing on her pedals with a boy riding 4 feet behind
[00:39] <maco> Monika|K, headband around the thigh, pin the skirt to it
[00:39] <maco> then the front of it won't go up
[00:40] <maco> for the back...you know how back when women wore hoops in their skirts, theyd have to lift the skirts behind their back when sitting (cuz if you sit on the hoop, the front of your skirt goes up)?
[00:40] <nixternal> heh, the team I ride with, since I am new I tend to ride with the women who have been racing for a while, and the other night was my first night out and one of them, Sandy, said, "Just keep your eyes on my ass and you will do fine"
[00:40] <maco> pull it up in the back so that you're sitting on the part of your skirt that should be near your knees
[00:40] <nixternal> it took me about 10 seconds before it registered
[00:41] <nixternal> no matter how much I watched, it got smaller and smaller as she pulled away, leaving me in her dust
[00:41] <Monika|K> maco if I ever try to ride a bike with a skirt/dress again (did recently ... very bad), I will have to try it like that
[00:41] <nixternal> just wear a pair of shorts under the skirt and let it fly...I swear the reactions are worth it!
[00:42] <maco> i dont own a pair of shorts...
[00:42] <maco> havent in...umm...6 or 7 years
[00:42] <nixternal> just to see some dude run into a parked car is total money
[00:42] <nixternal> and never get caught downtown chicago when they are doing the naked ride
[00:43] <nixternal> it is both erotic and disturbing at the same time
[00:43] <maco> if i have my saddlebags on, i can just drape the back of my skirt over the saddlebags and rack and itll hook around them and stay down
[00:43] <nixternal> ya, I do that when I wear a skirt :)
[00:44] <maco> well anyway....when i get a women's bike, it better have fenders so i can put a skirtguard on it
[00:45] <ryanakca> nixternal: Seeing that you're a MOTU, could you push bug 395604 through please?
[00:45] <nixternal> I can ack it, that's about it
[00:45] <maco> nixternal, dude, giant's much better price range than trek. The Bike Rack has a giant for $289 i think
[00:46] <ryanakca> No difference between the two, all I did was take the debian version (which was in NEW), add a 0ubuntu1 changelog entry and mangle the maintainer.
[00:46] <nixternal> giant == crap though when cheap
[00:46] <nixternal> if you don't pay at least $2000 on a giant, it isn't that good
[00:46] <ryanakca> Well, mangle the maintainer field... the maintainer is still intact
[00:46] <nixternal> plus giant doesn't spend millions working with women to create the best bikes
[00:46] <ryanakca> nixternal: thanks, and subscribe the archive admins?
[00:46] <nixternal> aren't you a MOTU?
[00:47] <ryanakca> nixternal: Not yet :)
[00:48] <nixternal> shoot, Ubuntu Package ARchive Admins right?
[00:48] <nixternal> I can't remember who to subscribe..I just subscribed someone though :)
[00:49] <ryanakca> nixternal: I think that's them
[00:49] <ryanakca> Or I can just poke Riddell in the morning :)
[00:49] <nixternal> well then, I just rung their doorbell and let them know :)
[00:49]  * nixternal grabs a bite to eat before going to watch not-so-silent-fireworks
[00:50] <ryanakca> nixternal: Thanks, have fun :)
[01:22] <Quintasan> hmm, I wonder why firefox-3.5 was using qt windows and buttons and firefox-3.0 update to 3.5 with ubuntuzilla doesnt
[06:25] <vorian> i'm home and alive!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[07:46] <jussi01> cripes, vorian's back, everyone hide!!!
[10:48] <Quintasan> hiho
[10:48] <Quintasan> do we have minirok 2.0 in karmic?
[14:26] <e-jat> how can i disable kbluetooth4 applet in at startup?
[15:28] <milian> when I have kdelibs-dbg installed, should list work properly in gdb?
[15:29] <milian> since I only get a singleline like that: "429     in /build/buildd/kde4libs-4.2.95/kate/render/katerenderer.cpp"
[15:30] <milian> (i have kdelibs5-dbg installed)
[16:43] <hsitter> e-jat: uninstall it? ;-)
[16:43] <e-jat> hsitter: ?
[16:43] <e-jat> uninstall it ?
[16:43] <hsitter> kbuletooth4
[16:43] <e-jat> owh ..
[16:44] <hsitter> I suppose
[16:44] <e-jat> kdebluetooth ?
[16:44] <hsitter> you could copy it from /etc/xdg/autostart to $HOME/.config/autostart
[16:44] <e-jat> since blueman package
[16:44] <hsitter> and edit it
[16:44] <e-jat> do much better :)
[16:45] <hsitter> actually /usr/share/autostart/kblueplugd.desktop
[16:45] <e-jat> ok .. then remove it from /usr/share/autostart?
[16:46] <hsitter> well
[16:46] <e-jat> thanks ..
[16:46] <hsitter> no
[16:46] <e-jat> then ?
[16:46] <hsitter> that will be reverted the next time it gets updated
[16:46] <e-jat> what the best i should do ?
[16:47] <hsitter> either you can override it with $HOME/.config/autostart/ or you have to remove the whole package
[16:47] <hsitter> anyway
[16:47] <hsitter> e-jat: #kubuntu for support
[16:47] <e-jat> or maybe i can
[16:47] <e-jat> X-KDE-autostart-condition=kbluetoothrc:General:AutoStart:true
[16:47] <e-jat> change it to false ?
[16:48] <e-jat> anyway .. thanks for da info ..
[16:48] <e-jat> give me some idea to try it out :)
[16:48] <hsitter> ANYTHIN you change about that file will be undown upon upgrade of the kdebluetooth package
[16:48] <hsitter> that includes removal, permission change, content editing....
[16:48] <hsitter> s/undown/undone
[16:49] <e-jat> ic ..
[17:10] <hsitter> lex79: btw, the fix for bug 388643 should be pushed to debian
[17:10] <hsitter> if they didn't fix it yet
[17:17] <lex79> launchpad bug 388643
[17:18] <lex79> ah ok hsitter
[18:47]  * hsitter is wondering where jonny is
[18:53] <maco> er....what's up with kdebase? kdebase in svn has a different tree than the kdebase source package
[18:54] <EagleScreen> Kubuntu karmic crash X at closeing session when kdm or xdm are running
[18:57] <maco> ooh nevermind. there's a kdebase-workspace and kdebase-runtime
[20:25] <d_ed> hey, can I have some packaging help
[20:26] <d_ed> I've packaged something uploaded to a PPA which had incorrect dependencies, which failed.
[20:26] <d_ed> now fixed that, but I need to give it a new version number
[20:26] <d_ed> does it need a changelog entry?
[20:26] <vorian> if you want to keep track of the changes you made
[20:27] <d_ed> not really
[20:27] <hsitter> which is pretty much the point of a changelog :D
[20:27] <hsitter> d_ed: just change the version then
[20:27] <d_ed> also the version name in the changelog  is (sourceVersion-0ubuntu1) (currently)
[20:28] <d_ed> i don't understand why there are two numbers by the word ubuntu?
[20:28] <hsitter> well, first of all you shouldn't be using 0ubuntu1 but 0ubuntu1~ppa1
[20:28] <vorian> the first number is the debian version (0 being no debian version)
[20:28] <hsitter> as for the two numbers, one is presenting the package revision in debian and the second one is for ubuntu
[20:29] <d_ed> and does it go to 0ubuntu2 ?
[20:29] <vorian> lolz
[20:29] <d_ed> ah, that makes sense
[20:29] <hsitter> so kde4libs 4.3-1 would be in debian
[20:29] <vorian> they wish it were
[20:29] <hsitter> then we go and get that package and improve it ... once we upload it is 4.3-1ubuntu1
[20:30] <hsitter> then we just increase the last number: 1ubuntu2, 1ubuntu3....
[20:30] <hsitter> meanwhile debian also does improvements of their own, so they have -2, -3, -4
[20:30] <d_ed> thanks very much.
[20:30] <hsitter> at some point we merge the packages and get 4.3-4ubuntu1
[20:30] <d_ed> It's my first attempt at packaging really
[20:30] <vorian> the important part of ppa, it they alway ALWAYS should end in ~ppa1
[20:31] <vorian> or ~ppa*
[20:31] <hsitter> *nod*
[20:31] <d_ed> I'm only uploading it to the PPA to tell if it works so I can push to revu
[20:31]  * hsitter thinks that should be enforced anyway
[20:31] <d_ed> should probably put it anyway
[20:31] <hsitter> yay
[20:32] <hsitter> I am getting beaten for mailing to kde-i18n-doc \o/
[20:32] <d_ed> what did you say?
[20:32] <vorian> beaten for what?
[20:32] <hsitter> just asked for assistance
[20:32] <hsitter> vorian: working on kubuntu I suppose
[20:32] <vorian> weird
[20:32] <d_ed> for ki18n you have to ask for assistance in a range of languages or you get beaten.
[20:33] <hsitter> assistance in making Kubuntu's translation not suck
[20:33] <d_ed> I read part of the kde-devel post
[20:33] <hsitter> vorian: I usually get beaten up for that ... good luck I am not at gcds
[20:34] <hsitter> that sounds weird
[20:34] <vorian> ha
[20:34] <vorian> yeah, bad translation there
[20:34] <vorian> :P
[20:34] <hsitter> s/luck/thing
[20:35] <hsitter> At some point I will just use en_GB, way easier to get right :P
[20:35] <vorian> I don't speak en
[20:36] <d_ed> hsitter: you're German right?
[20:36] <vorian> en_HB
[20:36] <hsitter> no, no one likes germans
[20:37] <hsitter> I am austrian, and everyone likes austrians because no one exactly knows where they are from
[20:37] <vorian> +1
[20:38] <d_ed> Austria I imagine
[20:39] <hsitter> well
[20:39] <hsitter> kubotu: search where the heck is austria
[20:39] <kubotu> Results for where the heck is austria: 1. Heck horse - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heck_horse | 2. Wien? Where the heck are we? Vienna, Austria: http://www.traveljournals.net/stories/29052.html | 3. Austrian Information - November-December 2007 - Award: Brigadier ...: http://www.austrianinformation.org/november-december-2007/award-brigadier-general-guntmar-heck.html
[20:40] <hsitter> the second result is awesome :D
[20:40] <d_ed> I'm busy finding out what a heck horse is...
[20:40] <maco> why doesnt everybody agree to call locations what the locals call it?
[20:40] <hsitter> more ads than content :D
[20:41] <maco> itd make it a lot easier when i look at a map of europe and can find Wien but not Vienna or München but not Munich
[20:41] <hsitter> true
[20:42] <d_ed> or you could just rename your cities to match what we call them.
[20:42] <maco> d_ed, define "we" ;)
[20:42] <hsitter> like Fucking
[20:42] <maco> huh?
[20:42] <hsitter> google maps: Fucking, Upper Austria, Austria
[20:43] <maco> interesting
[20:43] <hsitter> uh, google maps even got a fancy pic :D
[20:43] <d_ed> I might need to take a road trip.
[20:43] <hsitter> http://www.panoramio.com/photo/12301142
[20:45] <vorian> nice
[20:46] <vorian> kubotu: search where the crap is chillicothe
[20:46] <kubotu> Results for where the crap is chillicothe: 1. YouTube - Chillicothe man gets the crap scared out of him: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFkw9nzdMdk | 2. Chillicothe's own Breakfast Club: Do '80s teen film stereotypes ...: http://www.youthrights.org/forums/showthread.php?p=382638 | 3. Reviews of Pinewood Estates Chillicothe, 61523: http://www.merchantcircle.com/business/Pinewood.Estates.309-579-2897/review/list
[20:46] <vorian> weird
[20:46]  * vorian clicks
[20:46] <hsitter> oh dear
[20:47] <vorian> dumb
[20:48] <vorian> this is the best ever http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj-x9ygQEGA
[20:49] <Riddell> hola chicoas
[20:50] <vorian> hi Riddell
[20:51] <d_ed> Riddell: l hey, I've packaged Aurorae as requested a few days back. Currently in my PPA building to see if I've done it right.
[20:51] <hsitter> hm
[20:51] <vorian> i think arorae is already in the archives
[20:51] <hsitter> Riddell: is the council polling over yet?
[20:51] <vorian> aurorae too
[20:51]  * hsitter looks for url
[20:51] <vorian> hsitter: yeah, i'm teh lozer
[20:52] <maco> someone was working on it a few days ago
[20:52] <d_ed> d'oh!
[20:52] <maco> d_ed, do you know about pbuilder?
[20:52] <vorian> !info kwin-style-aurorae karmic
[20:52] <hsitter> vorian: well, we need to work on your public image I suppose
[20:52] <d_ed> don't think so.  I use a text editor, debuild and deput.
[20:53] <d_ed> *dput
[20:53]  * hsitter thinks we should do campaigns for council membership
[20:53] <vorian> hsitter: no biggie - I figured i'd be the lozer against you guys
[20:53] <hsitter> fund raisers first of course
[20:53] <maco> d_ed, pbuilder will build binary debs from your source package so you dont have to upload to a ppa over and over
[20:53] <vorian> i'm not nearly as chatty on irc
[20:53] <vorian> on this channel at least :P
[20:54] <d_ed> I've typed "debian/rules" a lot, but that doesn't test all the control file, which is the tricky part
[20:54] <hsitter> vorian: yeah, you gotta do more flirting
[20:54] <maco> d_ed, right, so use pbuilder. it does it in a bare minimal chroot so you know if the dependencies and all are correct
[20:55] <flirty> this should help
[20:55] <hsitter> that reminds me of tweety
[20:55] <hsitter> flirty: yeah, make that stick and people will love you
[20:56] <flirty> pleast test !info qwit karmic
[20:56] <flirty> !info qwit karmic
[20:57] <d_ed> oh, suhweet
[20:57] <d_ed> thanks maco
[20:57] <d_ed> I like you already.
[20:57] <hsitter> qwit doesn't look sexy => no go for me :P
[20:57] <jussi01> hsitter: rofl!!
[20:57] <hsitter> hm, back to good ol vorian :S
[20:57] <vorian> we know who jussi01 voted for
[20:57] <vorian> :P
[20:58] <jussi01> vorian: sadly, Im not a kubuntu member, I couldnt vote
[20:58] <hsitter> so, why did vorian, rgreening and moi get 2 no votes and jonny only one?
[20:58] <vorian> oh, well then
[20:58] <jussi01> vorian: stupid bureaucracy
[20:58] <vorian> cuz you dudes voted against me, and jonny didn't vote against anyone
[20:58] <vorian> ah
[20:58] <hsitter> well
[20:59]  * jussi01 is an ubuntu member...
[20:59]  * hsitter thinks jonny voted 'no' on everyone but him 
[20:59] <hsitter> and someone voted no on everyone
[20:59] <hsitter> which is kinda unproductive
[20:59]  * jussi01 has no idea who jonny is...
[21:00] <hsitter> or every candidate voted no on the others, but one candidate who gave jonny a yes ... you know the analytics of that are quite interesting
[21:01] <hsitter> did I already tell you that one can't register a google groups named kubuntu-analytics for somewhat obvious reasons ;-)
[21:01] <hsitter> reason even
[21:01] <maco> jussi01, ditto
[21:01] <hsitter> jontheechidna
[21:02] <jussi01> ahh
[21:06]  * hsitter goes bedwise
[21:06] <hsitter> nini
[21:11] <d_ed> night
[21:17] <vorian> where is jonny anyways
[21:17] <jussi01> vorian: he is on holidays
[21:17] <vorian> I have no idea how this silly aurorae works
[21:17] <vorian> meh, i just got back too
[21:17] <jussi01> he said back in a wek and a half a few days back
[21:17] <vorian> i see
[21:39] <vorian> so, where can aurorae themes be found?