[00:02] <billybigrigger> anyone here use vbox 2.2.4?
[00:06] <BUGabundo> after reboot touchpad working again
[00:08] <billybigrigger> yay!
[00:11] <henke> is anybody else having problems with crashes when clicking on GTK combo boxes?
[00:12] <billybigrigger> when was your last update?
[00:12] <henke> some days ago, well, I just made one now also. Was there some recent fix?
[00:16] <BUGabundo> henke: known bug
[00:18] <billybigrigger> BUGabundo, i just applied a patch to the vboxnetflt module
[00:18] <billybigrigger> how do i get dkms to reconfigure 2.6.31 to work?
[00:19] <billybigrigger> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/virtualbox/+bug/392314
[00:19] <billybigrigger> i applied the patch from there
[00:20] <BUGabundo> no
[00:33] <billybigrigger> BUGabundo, no what?
[00:33] <billybigrigger> i don't see anything related to vboxnetflt in /usr/lib/dkms
[00:33] <billybigrigger> so i have to install this module for 2.6.31 right?
[00:36] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: no, I don't know
[00:36] <billybigrigger> nvm
[00:36] <billybigrigger> had to build the module for kernel 2.6.31, and the install it in dkms
[00:36] <billybigrigger> should be golden now
[00:37] <billybigrigger> brb
[01:45]  * BUGabundo $off ; $echo You can't off me; $sudo off; $echo ahaha you trieeeddddddzzzzzzzz
[05:51] <Hew> Anyone had their entire session crashing recently? I'm not sure what's causing it.
[06:24] <crdlb> Hew: the most likely culprit is X itself; check /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old after the crash
[06:24] <crdlb> if X crashed, there should be a backtrace at the bottom
[06:27] <Hew> Thanks crdlb. Unfortunately I can't see any backtrace in that file, or any of /var/log/Xorg*
[07:24] <billybigrigger> FFForever> x randomly dies and i get a gdm login screen =(
 how about your logs?
 anything weird?
 Xorg.0.log?
[07:24] <billybigrigger> * nenolod has quit (Client Quit)
 not that i can see one moment
 http://pastebin.com/f1dcaea8c
[07:25] <billybigrigger> looks like a similar problem, both not related to X
[07:25] <billybigrigger> maybe its worth looking into?
[07:25] <billybigrigger> but its late and im off to bed
[07:25] <billybigrigger> check /var/log
[07:26] <billybigrigger> syslog might show something
[07:28] <robin0800> is there a way to tell if compiz is running?
[07:28] <crdlb> robin0800: many, the best is probably 'wmctrl -m'
[10:21] <reto`> howdy... I've upgraded to koala yesterday on my hp mini 2133... now the resolution problem is solved (was an issue on 9.04)... I've encountered a really strange thing now on koala... when I try to edit my connections to set a static IP and I start entering the host ip it will log me out instantly when I enter a "2"
[10:22] <reto`> so I thought I'll copy/paste the address from the terminal... but it's the same thing there... as soon as I enter "2" it will log me out, so it seems that editing the connection triggers something that makes the 2-key log out
[10:25] <reto`> kann mir jemand sagen, ob es möglich ist die network settings nicht per user, also system wide hinzukriegen?
[10:25] <reto`> also über "interfaces"?
[10:35] <ghindo> Any particular reason GDM is being held back?
[10:35] <oldude67> probably cause it hasnt caught up yet was what i was told.
[10:38] <RAOF> ghindo: Because it still breaks ubuntu-desktop, via... something or other.
[10:39] <Severian> I have a machine I use for testing ubuntu+1.  In the past, I have been advised to skip the update when a partial upgrade was offered.  It has been doing that for a couple of days now.  Should I keep waiting, or was the advice wrong?  This is a pretty straightforward install.    No added repositories, but about 100 packages added from the main repositories.
[10:39] <RAOF> Oh, no?  It doesn't seem to now.
[10:39] <ghindo> Hrm, I'll update again and see what happens
[10:40] <ghindo> Yeah, still being held back.
[10:43] <oldude67> and dont do the partial update..it did bork my system...ugh:(
[10:43] <Severian> oldude67, thanks.  I'll wait.
[10:44] <oldude67> im still working on getting it back to norm now 3 days and it just restarts on me..so...ugh...:(
[10:58] <eagles0513875> morning guys
[11:01] <BUGabundo> hey everyone, hey eagles0513875
[11:01] <eagles0513875> trying out wicd like blueskaj said
[11:01] <BUGabundo> so, no BT shares working, totally dead on my side
[11:01] <BUGabundo> really bad recovery from hibernate OR suspend
[11:01] <BUGabundo> disk won't come up
[11:01] <BUGabundo> kernel bug or HW failure
[11:02] <eagles0513875> :(
[11:02] <eagles0513875> oh no
[11:02] <eagles0513875> question how on earth do i connect to my wifi connection with wicd
[11:02] <BUGabundo> pulse Flat volume is really really bad
[11:02] <BUGabundo> eagles0513875: LOLOL
[11:02] <BUGabundo> no idea. never used it
[11:03] <eagles0513875> lol
[11:03] <BUGabundo> NM works great for me
[11:03] <BUGabundo> and when it doesn't I axe asac to fix it
[11:03] <eagles0513875> what kinda wifi card do you have
[11:03] <BUGabundo> I'm testing NM 0.8 trunk right now
[11:03] <eagles0513875> that explains it
[11:03] <BUGabundo> will all you kids _just_ have poor old NM 0.7.1
[11:03] <eagles0513875> the default one that comes with karmic is broken
[11:03] <eagles0513875> can you link me to the nm source
[11:04] <BUGabundo> I have an intel 4965
[11:04] <BUGabundo> but am connected from 3G modem
[11:04] <eagles0513875> me broadcom 4311 rev2
[11:04] <BUGabundo> eagles0513875: please come to #ubuntu-mozillateam
[11:04] <BUGabundo> I want to let asac know you are going to test it too
[11:10] <Ian__> i downloaded the latest ubuntu live cd and it restarts GDM while installing
[11:11] <BUGabundo> eheh
[11:11] <BUGabundo> Ian__: yeah GDM seems broken
[11:11] <BUGabundo> I MUST remember to NOT upgrade to it yet
[11:12] <oldude67> yeah dont do it...its a killer..lmao..im still fighting with it.
[11:12] <oldude67> even after trying some repairs i hit the enter key and it takes me back to the log in screen for kdm
[11:14] <Ian__> will try with alpha 2 live cd
[11:14] <Ian__> iirc that's before the gdm update
[11:17] <BUGabundo> Ian__: no need
[11:17] <BUGabundo> just downgrade it
[11:17] <BUGabundo> if you still have the old file cache
[11:17] <BUGabundo> oh wait... it's a fresh install
[11:17] <BUGabundo> then go to LP and download the previous package
[11:18] <Ian__> hmm
[11:18] <Ian__> BUGabundo: it just stopped the install
[11:18] <Ian__> so i don't even have a working system there now
[11:19] <Ian__> grub did not install properly and stuff
[11:20] <BUGabundo> ahhh
[11:20] <BUGabundo> that's bad
[11:20] <Ian__> it is
[11:20] <BUGabundo> then download an older daily
[11:20] <BUGabundo> you can use rsync to just get the missing parts
[11:20] <BUGabundo> of your current iso image
[11:21] <Ian__> i'm installing jaunty now so i have grub, then i can boot from karmic from my usb stick
[11:22] <Ian__> and all will be well
[11:23] <BUGabundo> ahaha
[11:23] <BUGabundo> Ian__: I don't need to _install_ it
[11:23] <BUGabundo> you can run from LiveCD/USB
[11:24] <BUGabundo> brb reboot to test  bluetooth
[11:24] <Ian__> that's it
[11:24] <Ian__> i can't boot from USB
[11:24] <Ian__> bios doesn't support it
[11:24] <BUGabundo> AHHAHAHHA
[11:24] <Ian__> and i can't boot from CD because my cd writer is on my desktop
[11:24] <Ian__> which i'm installing :p
[11:24] <BUGabundo> try a BIOS upgrade?
[11:24] <Ian__> tried it
[11:24] <BUGabundo> are you sure it's a bios thing or just bad usb pen?
[11:25] <BUGabundo> some need newer syslinux to work
[11:25] <BUGabundo> and with --safemode install
[11:25] <Ian__> well
[11:25] <BUGabundo> brb
[11:25] <BUGabundo> talk to you soon
[11:31] <Ian__> it doesn't give me the option to select USB drive in the boot priority thing. And i can boot from the USB stick via grub just fine (root (hd2,0) chainload blabla)
[11:32] <BUGabundo> ahah
[11:32] <BUGabundo> are you *really* sure?
[11:32] <BUGabundo> I've seen some stupid bios, that made you fake and usb device as a Disk
[11:33] <BUGabundo> so essencial you would change not the order, but the disk you use
[11:33] <BUGabundo> yeah nonsence
[11:33] <BUGabundo> its the case of this laptop
[11:33] <BUGabundo> confused me a bit too
[11:34] <Ian__> yes i'm 100% sure :p
[11:35] <BUGabundo> I'm never 100% sure, but its you not me!
[11:35] <Ian__> :p
[11:36] <Ian__> i've been looking for it before
[11:48] <oldude67> will they add opera to the repos ever?
[11:48] <eagles0513875> oldude67: offtopic man this is for 9.10 karmic discussion
[11:48] <oldude67> um i was just hoping.
[11:49] <BUGabundo> eagles0513875: it _could_ be ontopic *if* it was blueprinted discussion on it
[11:49] <BUGabundo> which AFAIK isn't
[11:49] <eagles0513875> BUGabundo: kinda offtopic is there a windows version of vbox
[11:50] <eagles0513875> cuz my vmware workstation is going bonkers
[11:50] <BUGabundo> ahahah
[11:50] <oldude67> lol
[11:50] <Ian__> pff the karmic aplha 2 live cd doesn't boot
[11:50] <oldude67> just was wondering why thy cant add it to the repos
[11:51] <BUGabundo> Ian__: it _did_
[11:51] <BUGabundo> oldude67: err close source?
[11:51] <oldude67> ah ok BUGabundo , i see ty
[11:51] <Ian__> BUGabundo: bad argument :p
[11:51] <BUGabundo> I know
[11:52] <BUGabundo> but enough to have him thinkiing about it
[11:52] <Ian__> :p
[11:52] <BUGabundo> too busy testing karmic BT stack
[11:52] <BUGabundo> to loose my precouse time discussing repos
[11:52] <oldude67> nope not thinking, drinking...was just wondering.
[11:55] <BUGabundo> anyone else want to join in t?
[11:55] <BUGabundo> need more ppl testing BT packages
[11:56] <Ian__> what are BT packages?
[11:56] <oldude67> bacon and tomatoe no lettuce...:(
[11:56] <BUGabundo> Ian__: bluetooth
[11:57] <Ian__> aha
[11:58] <Ian__> gonna try getting it on CD
[11:58] <Ian__> pff
[11:58] <Ian__> hot here in belgium
[12:17] <Ian__> aha the CD does boot
[12:30] <Ian__> ok weird
[12:30] <Ian__> i installed alpha 2 and after it brings me to the desktop?
[12:31] <Ian__> it doesn't ask me to reboot and stuf?
[12:41] <ikonia> Ian__: why would it ask you to reboot ?
[12:41] <Tekno> is he windows-user? :D
[12:41] <BUGabundo> Tekno: LOLOLOLOLOLOL
[12:52] <Ian__> ..
[12:52] <Ian__> are you guys daft or something?
[12:52] <Ian__> it's after installing the system from a liveCD
[12:52] <Ian__> i'd like to boot my real system and not continue working on a liveCD
[12:53] <Tekno> remove the cd from drivev then
[12:53] <Ian__> ...
[12:54] <Ian__> that doesn't make me run on my real system
[12:55] <reto`> how about restarting then?
[12:56] <Ian__> i did, i was just wondering why it didn't ask me, along side pressing enter when i removed the disk and sruff
[12:56] <Ian__> stuff
[12:57] <reto`> i had some troubles upgrading to koala too...
[12:57] <reto`> half of the scripts didn't finish and I had to poke around until I could trigger them to finish the install
[12:58] <reto`> apart from that it runs fine on my hp mini now
[12:59] <reto`> but I've encountered a really strange thing now on koala... when I try to edit my connections to set a static IP and I start entering the host ip it will log me out instantly when I enter a "2"
[13:00] <Ian__> and wtf is up with --no-floppy
[13:00] <reto`> other numbers are fine... I ended up copy/pasting the 2s I need for my address
[13:01] <reto`> but karmic has not broken my system yet... in fact it has corrected some bugs... like missing cpufreq and resolution problem
[13:06] <ikonia> Ian__: get a grip on your language please
[13:06] <ikonia> Ian__: it may have asked you IF you want to reboot and you missed it, or it may not ask you as it assume you know you have to reboot when you are ready to, to use the real system
[13:08] <Ian__> ikonia: my language was what it was because it was a valid question, responded by a counter question, a remark about windows and LOLOLOLOLOL
[13:08] <ikonia> Ian__: that doesn't excuse your langage - please get a grip on it
[13:08] <ikonia> Ian__: it may help if you give better details in your questions, so they are not miss-understood
[13:09] <reto`> I am missing the "Login Window" menu under administration.... does anyone can tell me how to get it (back)?
[13:09] <Ian__> reto`: the config of it has been disabled since the GDM update
[13:09] <Ian__> graphicly at least
[13:09] <Ian__> until the GUI is updated alongside
[13:09] <Ian__> ikonia: i gave enough context beforehand
[13:10] <ikonia> Ian__: I certainly didn't see it
[13:12] <Ian__> anyone know why /boot/grub/grub.cfg readonly is?
[13:12] <ikonia> grub.cfg ?
[13:13] <Unksi> you are supposed to edit /etc/default/grub instead
[13:13] <Ian__> ok thnx
[13:13] <Ian__> and why grub update put the correct boot lines but puts "linux ... root=/dev/sda2 ro quiet splash"?
[13:14] <ikonia> Ian__: it should be using uuid
[13:15] <Ian__> hmm it's not done that for the 31-1 lines, it uses uuid for 30-8 tho
[13:16] <ikonia> Ian__: this may sound dumb, but do you also have a menu.lst ?
[13:16] <Ian__> no
[13:16] <Ian__> grub 2 doesn't use that anymore
[13:16] <ikonia> ahh you're using grub 2
[13:16] <Ian__> ikonia: are you running karmic?
[13:16] <Ian__> yeah
[13:16] <ikonia> Ian__: not at this second I have it on my test system
[13:16] <Ian__> hmm
[13:17] <Ian__> when i do a normal boot i get all kinds of warnings, unless i edit the boot lines to hold rw and remove the --no-floppy does it boot
[13:17] <ikonia> Ian__: hold rw ?
[13:17] <Ian__> i mean replace the ro with rw
[13:18] <ikonia> well that can be dagerous
[13:18] <ikonia> the first boot is normally ro then re-mounted rw
[13:18] <ikonia> dangerous even
[13:18] <reto`> is anyone using gnome do?
[13:18] <Ian__> aha ikonia ok
[13:18] <ikonia> Ian__: does that make sense ?
[13:18] <Ian__> yes
[13:18] <ikonia> super
[13:19] <Ian__> i think _my_ problem actually is the splash
[13:21] <Ian__> i do still get errors like "sda2: couldn't mount because of unsupported optional features (240)"
[13:21] <Ian__> but at least it boots
[13:22] <ikonia> I'm still very surprised it's not referenced from uuid
[13:23] <Ian__> hmm
[13:23] <Ian__> sec
[13:28] <Ian__> it has more then what i just showed
[13:28] <Ian__> above that stands uuid stuff
[13:36] <Ian__> fd0 is floppy drive? :p
[13:38] <BUGabundo> yep
[13:38] <BUGabundo> grub2 ?
[13:39] <Ian__> yeah
[13:39] <Ian__> i booted with ati drivers installed now
[13:39] <Ian__> i have (slow) 2D support but no 3d
[13:39] <Ian__> i'm surprised 2d works with this kernel :p
[13:46] <Ian__> weird that karmic doens't hold firefox-3.5
[13:46] <Ian__> well i mean as default firefox
[13:47] <BUGabundo> really?
[13:47] <BUGabundo> so what ar they bundling?
[13:47] <BUGabundo> konqueror?
[13:47] <Ian__> no just firefox3.1
[13:47] <Ian__> sorry net is a bit slow here
[13:47] <BUGabundo> can't be
[13:47] <BUGabundo> its not in the archive
[13:48] <Ian__> huh?
[13:48] <Ian__> well default karmic still comes with the version lower then 3.5 :p
[13:48] <BUGabundo> Ian__: $ apt-cache policy firefox-3.1
[13:48] <BUGabundo> and
[13:48] <Ian__> you can apt-get 3.5 but have to specify the version number
[13:48] <BUGabundo> Ian__: $ apt-cache policy firefox-3.5
[13:49] <Ian__> oh wait this is not the daily LiveCD
[13:50] <Ian__> the whole install flash for firefox is still a bit clumsy
[13:53] <BUGabundo> yeah
[13:55] <BUGabundo> oh goodie.... PA lost my analog devices and only sees digital ones. result: No sound
[13:56] <Ian__> PA being?
[14:02] <BUGabundo> Pulse Audio
[14:02] <BUGabundo> Ian__: new around here?
[14:02] <Ian__> i'm not familiar with the abrivations :)
[14:05] <BUGabundo> feel free to ask anytime
[14:29] <Dimitree> is Eclipse 3.5 available in Karmic ?
[14:30] <BUGabundo> !info eclipse
[14:30] <Ian_Corne> doubt it
[14:30] <BUGabundo> Dimitree: ^^^
[14:30] <BUGabundo> there's a PPA with trunk version
[14:30] <Dimitree> jesus christ this package is never updated :/
[14:31] <BUGabundo> nope :\
[14:42] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[14:43] <BUGabundo> hey guilty one :p
[14:44] <BluesKaj> hi BUGabundo ...guilty ?
[14:45] <BluesKaj> who's guilty of what ?
[14:48] <BUGabundo> ahaah
[14:48] <BUGabundo> you soon will find
[14:56] <yofel> hi folks
[14:59] <BUGabundo> hey yofel
[15:08] <tgpraveen> hey BUGabundo
[15:08] <tgpraveen> !info tracker
[15:09]  * BUGabundo has removed tracker
[15:09] <BUGabundo> hey tgpraveen
[15:10] <tgpraveen> why did u remove tracker? coz it was resource intensive?
[15:11] <tgpraveen> i tried tracker long back in intrepid as i was trying to mimic the best of mac and win features, so i enabled tracker,screenlets,themes,etc,etc. but then the excitement faded and i removed it all to have a lean system again.
[15:12] <tgpraveen> i guess i might give the 0.7 version a try. any one knows if it will be in karmic?
[15:13] <BUGabundo> that's the thing
[15:13] <BUGabundo> I think its no longer part of default instal
[15:13] <BUGabundo> ense optional
[15:18] <tgpraveen> yes it is no longer in default install from jaunty and even before though it was on cd it was disabled by default
[15:19] <tgpraveen> but just now i read a post describing 0.7 version and what all features it will have and how it will use very little resources hope it makes it back in karmic+1. i think the tracker devs are trying to improve a lot in time for gnome 3.0
[15:19] <BUGabundo> I'll be here waiting for it
[15:22] <yofel> tgpraveen: could you give me the link to the post? I remember tracker as that indexing tool that I immediatly killed since it reminded me of the windows indexing that I never managed to disable ^^
[15:24] <tgpraveen> http://jamiemcc.livejournal.com/12367.html
[15:24] <yofel> nice... opening a sftp:// url in nautilus crashes it -.-
[15:24] <tgpraveen> yofel: ^^
[15:24] <yofel> tgpraveen: thx
[15:26] <yofel> sounds interesting :)
[15:27] <miik> anyone get random freezes/crashes/reboots with karmic?
[15:29] <Ian_Corne> random reboots?
[15:29] <Ian_Corne> never had that
[15:29] <miik> yes
[15:29] <miik> oh
[15:29] <miik> i didnt have it in 9.04 first, then i got it in 9.04 after, maybe cuz i have proposed repo enabled, idk.. so i upgarded to 9.10 but now i still have it
[15:29] <yofel> i had random freezes with jaunty, in karmic they're gone
[15:30] <miik> oh
[15:30] <miik> why http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/karmic/alpha3 is not there?
[15:31] <yofel> miik: because we still have alpha2?
[15:31] <yofel> miik: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicReleaseSchedule
[15:31] <miik> oh, sorry i saw wrong date
[15:31] <miik> i thought it was august 6 lol
[15:31] <miik> or something
[15:34] <miik> when is new gdm come in karmic?
[15:34] <miik> its been there for liek days
[15:34] <miik> but it cant install if not fast-user thing come new
[15:37] <BluesKaj> Im, getting lots of plasma crashes , usually when I close a webpage or an app
[15:39] <BluesKaj> takes about 10secs to recover
[15:39] <tgpraveen> BluesKaj: u use kde? how is it these days. i tried kde 4.1 and then rushed back to gnome
[15:39] <tgpraveen> is it better now
[15:40] <BluesKaj> kde4.3...I guess I'm too bleeding edge
[15:40] <Ian_Corne> !info plasma
[15:41] <BUGabundo> BluesKaj: not enough to run karmic dough
[15:41] <BluesKaj> konqueror renders web pages more fully than FF3.6
[15:41] <tgpraveen> also if u run gnome apps in it . do they run well ? or do they lag and look out of place?
[15:42] <BluesKaj> hmm, not plasma ? wth
[15:42] <BluesKaj> theonly gnome app i run is synaptic , once in a while
[15:43] <BluesKaj> if it isn't plasma then what's all this widgetr?
[15:47] <BluesKaj> i certainly have several plasma executeables in /usr/bin
[15:48] <BluesKaj> carry over from jaunty i reckon
[15:50] <Ian_Corne> BluesKaj: there's plasma-* packages
[15:50] <Ian_Corne> just not any plasma packages
[15:50] <Ian_Corne> !info plasma-
[15:50] <Ian_Corne> !info plasma-*
[15:50] <bazhang> !find plasma
[15:51] <Ian_Corne> aha :)
[15:51] <bazhang> apt-cache search plasma will list them all
[15:52] <kellyh> hey
[15:52] <BUGabundo> hey kellyh
[15:53] <kellyh> BUGabundo: using nvidia 180 drivers
[15:55] <BUGabundo> hey so its you
[15:55] <BUGabundo> ahah
[15:55] <BUGabundo> you are to fast for me :)
[15:55] <kellyh> LOL
[15:55] <BUGabundo> guys help out kellyh here
[15:55] <BUGabundo> she is having trouble getting mainline kernels and nvidia working
[15:56] <kellyh> all kernels from mainline above .29.3 fail, exit status 10 iirc for the nvidia-drivers
[15:57] <yofel> let me get one of those...
[15:57] <BUGabundo> its very strange
[15:57] <BUGabundo> usually its missing the headers
[15:57] <BUGabundo> but you say you have them
[15:58] <kellyh> (using amd64 btw)
[15:58] <BUGabundo> very stupid question:
[15:58] <kellyh> yep, installed the headers
[15:58] <BUGabundo> kellyh: you have all 4 debs in a folder
[15:58] <BUGabundo> and instaled using:
[15:58] <BUGabundo>  $ sudo dpkg -i linux*.deb  ?
[15:58] <kellyh> used dpkg -i <package> <package> ...
[15:58] <BUGabundo> ahh
[15:58] <BUGabundo> precedencies
[15:58] <BUGabundo> ahahaha
[15:59] <BUGabundo> try *
[15:59] <Ian_Corne> kellyh: what kernel version do you have now?
[15:59] <BUGabundo> not the 1st time I saw dpkg get tricked by that
[15:59] <kellyh> running .29.3 mainline
[15:59] <Ian_Corne> hmm
[15:59] <BUGabundo> ok, to you *need* mainline?
[15:59] <kellyh> not especially i guess
[16:00] <BUGabundo> eheh
[16:00] <BUGabundo> ok, so you wont _die_ without it
[16:00] <BUGabundo> just putting a priority on stuff
[16:00] <kellyh> nope :)
[16:00] <BUGabundo> kellyh: running karmic or jaunty ?
[16:00] <kellyh> but, as i hit a problem, figured i'd mention it
[16:00]  * BUGabundo wispers 'cause this # is karmic only
[16:00] <kellyh> jaunty
[16:01] <kellyh> BUGabundo: i realise that :)
[16:01] <BUGabundo> kellyh: mainline kernel images are usually for testing, immediate fixing probs on older kernel
[16:01] <BUGabundo> and helping compare our kernel sauce with the vanila ones
[16:02] <kellyh> ah
[16:02] <BUGabundo> users testing them, should usually report that they fix something (or break, like you did)
[16:03] <BUGabundo> yofel: having trouble with them?
[16:03] <BUGabundo> kellyh: AFAIK you are the first experiencing this on jauntu
[16:03] <BUGabundo> *jaunty
[16:03] <BUGabundo> doesn't mean there's a prob dough!
[16:04] <BUGabundo> mainline kernel are so volatile, and specially with nvidia drivers...
[16:04] <BUGabundo> yofel: having trouble with them?
[16:04] <BUGabundo> kellyh: did you try -31.fix ?
[16:04] <Ian_Corne> why don't you use the jockey-gtk thingy kellyh ?
[16:04] <kellyh> kellyh: tried .31-rc1-fix1
[16:04] <yofel> BUGabundo: got disconnected :(
[16:04] <yofel> nvidia 185.18.14 builds fine with dkms on 2.6.29.6
[16:05] <yofel> amd64
[16:05] <yofel> kellyh: got the full dkms error here?
[16:05] <kellyh> no, sorry
[16:05] <kellyh> it was against nvidia 180.xx.xx
[16:06] <yofel> kellyh: what kernel are you trying to build on? I'll give you the manual dkms build command
[16:06] <BUGabundo> yeah that could be your trouble
[16:06] <kellyh> so might well be because nvidia needs to be more uptodate
[16:06] <BUGabundo> yep
[16:06] <kellyh> yofel: was 2.6.28-13
[16:06] <BUGabundo> if you indeed want -31
[16:06] <BUGabundo> try X-edgers PPA
[16:06] <yofel> BUGabundo: wait
[16:06] <yofel> 185 should be in x-swat
[16:07] <kellyh> don't have the .29/.30/.31 .debs anymore :/
[16:07] <yofel> kellyh: get the newer driver from here: https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/x-updates
[16:12] <kellyh> yofel: ok, gonna give them a try
[16:18] <kellyh> yofel: http://pastebin.com/m6990d6bf - get that when synaptic installs the updated drivers
[16:19] <BUGabundo> humm I wonder if it is refusing to install on -28
[16:19] <yofel> huh? why does nvidia-common want to run debconf?
[16:20] <yofel> and dkms doesn't even try to build the driver o.O
[16:20] <kellyh> i'm running mainline .29.3 atm, so that was run whilst using .29.3
[16:21] <yofel> ah wait, at the bottom it does it
[16:21] <kellyh> a lot of those error messages keep popping up since .28-13 was installed in an update
[16:21] <kellyh> gotta run, getting shouted at for dinner
[16:22]  * yofel goes firing up his jaunty vm...
[16:23] <BUGabundo> hehe kellyh np! feel free to come back later
[16:29] <zniavre> i saw you speaking about nvidia drivers . do you know if "legacy" 173.14.16 can build now?
[16:31] <BUGabundo> no idea
[16:31] <fluteflute> can anyone tell me how to get karmic to auto login with the new gdm please?
[16:34]  * BUGabundo wonders where everyone is getting there new GDM
[16:34] <BUGabundo> mine is still being held back
[16:34] <yofel> BUGabundo: why?
[16:34] <BUGabundo> no idea
[16:34] <BUGabundo> my guess dependecies build failure
[16:35] <BUGabundo> haven't spent time investigating
[16:35] <fluteflute> I think there may have been a conflict with it and the fast user switcher
[16:35] <yofel> I had a conflict with fast-user-switch applet and ubuntu-desktop for a day, but after that it installed fine (and removed that fast-.. thing)
[16:36] <yofel> I didn't use it anyway
[16:40] <wolfgang> Yohoho. My kwin doesn't work.. :/ why could that be?
[16:40] <wolfgang> (on fglrx drivers)
[16:51] <yofel> ok... in my jaunty vm 185 builds fine with 2.6.29.6 and .30
[16:51] <yofel> the nvidia-common exit status 10 comes from dkms not building the module I guess
[16:51] <yofel> now that the new driver is installed running dpkg --configure -a might help
[16:52] <yofel> if not, she'll have to run the dkms commands by hand
[16:52] <yofel> well, gotta go run for now, bb in ~2h
[17:35] <billybigrigger> nvidia (185.18.14) works great here
[17:36] <billybigrigger> 2.6.31-020631rc2-generic
[17:36] <BUGabundo> +1
[17:36] <billybigrigger> 64bit
[17:36] <BUGabundo>   Installed: 185.18.14-0ubuntu2
[17:36] <billybigrigger> morning boogoboondoo
[17:36] <BUGabundo> Linux blubug 2.6.31-1-generic #14-Ubuntu SMP Thu Jul 2 16:02:38 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[17:37]  * BUGabundo at least there's no :::::::
[17:37] <billybigrigger> ahh not testing 31-2?
[17:37] <BUGabundo> naa
[17:37] <BUGabundo> just NM 0.8 pre-alpha and bluetooth
[17:37] <BUGabundo> by the looks of it, we will have blueman
[17:37] <BUGabundo> tests with gnome-bluet FAILED
[17:37] <billybigrigger> blueman?
[17:37] <BUGabundo> yep
[17:37] <BUGabundo> WFM
[17:38] <billybigrigger> bluetooth manager?
[17:38] <billybigrigger> never heard of it, thats why i asked
[17:38] <BUGabundo> except for nautilus or gfvs prob
[17:38] <billybigrigger> i don't have a single bluetooth device haha
[17:38] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: no idea. just know its called blueman
[17:38] <billybigrigger> what is it?
[17:38] <billybigrigger> hold on brb
[17:38] <billybigrigger> i just about dropped the f bomb there
[17:39] <billybigrigger> this new logout is crap
[17:39] <billybigrigger> why do we have to logout to restart the system?
[17:39] <crdlb> billybigrigger: are you sure it's intentional? ...
[17:39] <billybigrigger> am i the only one that can't restart from INSIDE gnome? i have to logout, to get any kind of restart or shutdown option
[17:39] <Sarvatt> look in your system menu...
[17:40] <billybigrigger> ok, well why is it moved from the user menu?
[17:40] <Sarvatt> fast-user-switch-applet was dropped
[17:40] <billybigrigger> ahh with the new gdm?
[17:41] <fluteflute> yes. though I suspect the fast-user-switch-applet dropping is only temporary
[17:43] <tgpraveen> BUGabundo: what is the ppa for NM 0.8 pre-alpha
[17:43] <tgpraveen> is there any chance of getting NM0.8 in karmic that would be really really sweet
[17:44] <BUGabundo> hey Sarvatt crdlb
[17:44] <BUGabundo> tgpraveen: its upper supper secret :p
[17:45] <BUGabundo> it will be in karmic in a few days
[17:45] <Sarvatt> billybigrigger: you can always add a shutdown applet to your gnome panel to do it too if it helps any
[17:45] <tgpraveen> BUGabundo: hehe. u mean we will have 0.8 in karmic as default at release time. i think their releasse cycle was longer
[17:46] <tgpraveen> i thought we were gonna have nm 0.7.5 or something
[17:46] <BUGabundo> me too
[17:46] <BUGabundo> but that is what asac told me
[17:46] <BUGabundo> tgpraveen: deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/network-manager/trunk/ubuntu karmic main
[17:47] <BUGabundo> you get NM 0.8 and Modem Manager
[17:47] <billybigrigger> mmmm
[17:47] <BUGabundo> BUT be warned!
[17:47] <billybigrigger> anyone trying out the .31 rc2 kernel?
[17:47] <billybigrigger> having a weird audio issue
[17:48] <eagles0513875> BUGabundo: gonna try what ever is in trunk for wm
[17:48] <billybigrigger> pavcontrol shows the audio is playing, like its outputting something, but no sound
[17:49] <tgpraveen> BUGabundo: what do u mean by be warned ? is it currently broken? i mean are there any known issues?
[17:50] <eagles0513875> ohhh BUGabundo ty for the ppa for nm
[17:52] <BUGabundo> guys calm down
[17:52] <BUGabundo> NM 0.8 is pre-alpha
[17:52] <BUGabundo> just started to test it yesterday
[17:52] <eagles0513875> BUGabundo: might solve my wifi issue
[17:52] <eagles0513875> lol
[17:52] <BUGabundo> eagles0513875: NM does no such thing
[17:53] <BUGabundo> that is kernel or wpa probs
[17:56] <billybigrigger> haha
[17:56] <billybigrigger> BUGabundo, that ppa downgraded my NM to 0.7
[17:56] <billybigrigger> 0.7.0 to be exact
[17:57] <billybigrigger> hmmm...actually the applets About dialog box shows. 0.70
[17:57] <BUGabundo> ahh??
[17:57] <billybigrigger> Installed: 0.8~a~git.20090702t164632.9c8e600-0ubuntu1~nmt1
[17:57] <BUGabundo> apt-cache policy pastebin
[17:57] <BUGabundo> ahh so it is 0-8
[17:57] <billybigrigger> just the about dialog shows an old version
[17:58] <BUGabundo> yeah this branch is a cherry pick of several patches
[17:58] <BUGabundo> still missing a few things like the new signal
[17:58] <BUGabundo> and About ehe
[17:58] <eagles0513875> bah
[17:58] <BUGabundo> ill pass it along to asac
[17:59] <billybigrigger> what does yours show?
[18:00] <BUGabundo> same
[18:01] <billybigrigger> ahh k
[18:01] <billybigrigger> sounds works after my reboot now
[18:01] <billybigrigger> wierd
[18:02] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: pavucontrol
[18:02] <billybigrigger> ya
[18:02] <BUGabundo> you will see stuff like volumes at 20 or 120%
[18:02] <billybigrigger> it was showing the audio stream, the bar was moving like it was outputting sound
[18:02] <billybigrigger> i moved all the sliders like you suggested to me the other day
[18:02] <billybigrigger> nothing was helping
[18:02] <BUGabundo> mine killed analog devices
[18:03] <eagles0513875> hehe even on jaunty for me sound seems to have developed a bug
[18:03] <eagles0513875> if its muted then i unmute it no sound
[18:03] <eagles0513875> if i leave it unmuted reboot then it works
[18:04] <billybigrigger> oooh
[18:04] <billybigrigger> .31 rc2 doesn't even detect my webcam now....
[18:04] <billybigrigger> :(
[18:04] <billybigrigger> lsusb shows it
[18:05] <eagles0513875> later guys
[18:05] <billybigrigger> lazer
[18:07] <rleeds> I'm trying to track down a problem with my gdm to see if it's a bug or not. One of my users (`couchdb`, UID=116) shows up in the face browser despite /etc/gdm/gdm.conf having a MinimalUID=1000 setting. None of my other 'hidden'/system users show up, though. Any thoughts?
[18:10] <BUGabundo> autc
[18:10] <BUGabundo> my PA gain was set to 9999999
[18:12] <billybigrigger> my nvidia bug is gone as of yesterday
[18:12] <billybigrigger> hue -1000
[18:12] <billybigrigger> doesn't seem to effect any videos i open anymore
[18:12] <billybigrigger> atleast in vlc
[18:12] <BUGabundo> I still have it
[18:13] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: open totem! AHAH
[18:13] <billybigrigger> it still effect videos using mozilla plugin
[18:13] <billybigrigger> i hate totem haha
[18:13] <billybigrigger> vlc is the kind of media players
[18:13] <billybigrigger> s/kind/king
[18:19] <DanaG> Ooooooooooooooooooooooh!   Yay, looks like my mute LED will finally work!  Hallelujah!
[18:19] <DanaG> http://groups.google.com/group/linux.kernel/msg/d71c68275456957a
[18:20] <DanaG>        ALSA: hda - Add GPIO1 control at muting with HP laptops
[18:20] <BUGabundo> mute led?
[18:21] <DanaG> Yeah.
[18:21] <DanaG> http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=2&url=https%3A%2F%2Fbugs.launchpad.net%2Fubuntu%2F%2Bsource%2Flinux%2F%2Bbug%2F284319&ei=EeFQSvL5DpOKsgPnkODJDw&usg=AFQjCNFEwVPPa3z7-dMOU_3W1EUf8ByBRA&sig2=PuVp9J7OqPnEO38SVVsQHw
[18:21] <DanaG> er
[18:21] <DanaG> goddamnit, google!
[18:21] <DanaG> Stop mangling my links!
[18:21] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/284319
[18:25] <DanaG> Now I just need to wait until that version gets to us.
[18:27] <dtchen> DanaG: it's in today's c-o-d build
[18:27] <dtchen> err, sorry. it'll be in _tomorrow's_.
[18:28] <DanaG> Sweet.
[18:28] <DanaG> I'm curious to see what inspired that change in upstream ALSA.  Did one of the devs have one of these laptops, or something?
[18:29] <BUGabundo> eheehehehehehe
[18:29] <DanaG> Or did they read the bug report, and just never comment on it?
[18:30] <dtchen> it was pushed upstream and fixed there
[18:30] <DanaG> Ah.  I'm curious to see the bug report upstream.
[18:30] <dtchen> our new workflow is to avoid ubuntu-specific bits in core components
[18:30] <DanaG> Oh, I see... the "nominated for"
[18:31] <DanaG> Just doesn't have a link to the upstream bug.
[18:32] <DanaG> Do you have a link to that bug, so either you or I can link it into that report?
[18:32] <DanaG> About the only big issue left on those laptops is now the keycode>255 issue.
[18:37] <dtchen> DanaG: not offhand, but it should be in my e-mail
[18:40] <DanaG> I've found a mailing-list thread: http://www.spinics.net/lists/alsa-devel/msg25313.html
[18:41] <DanaG> eh, not the right one.  whatever.  If you can link when you get a change, that'll be good -- thanks.
[18:42] <BUGabundo> dtchen: what do you think I need to due to persuade the PA devs to tiny improve pacucontrol so it will keep applications for 2 or 3 secs after they stop? for apps that just ping, its very hard to set the volume!
[18:42] <DanaG> Oh yeah, and the flat-volumes thing is confusing, though there's already a dsicussion about that, too.
[18:44] <BUGabundo> DanaG: nothing like getting a gain of 99999 like I did
[18:44] <BUGabundo> eheh
[18:45] <DanaG> I don't like when changing an app's volume changes the visibly-set device volume/
[18:45] <DanaG> The mixer should abstract away the real volume, and present only a "vritual" reference volume.
[18:56] <dtchen> BUGabundo: a different approach is being taken with app profiles
[18:56] <BUGabundo> goodie
[19:34] <miik> can i use 2.6.26 or 2.6.27 or 2.6.28 kernel in karmic? how?
[19:35] <BUGabundo> miik: why would you want to do that?
[19:35] <BUGabundo> you will have probs with ext4, pulse, gpu drivers, etc
[19:42] <miik> i get kernel panic
[19:42] <miik> i dont use ext4
[19:42] <miik> however, i do use pulseaudio and nvidia driver
[19:42] <BUGabundo> well then, you should file a bug and debug what's causing it
[19:43] <BUGabundo> so that it can be fixed before release
[19:43] <BUGabundo> miik: any special hw??
[19:43] <miik> i have no idea whats causing it, and logs dont show anything interesting
[19:43] <miik> standard hardware, core2duo, gf8600, 4gb ram, 2xhdd
[19:43] <BUGabundo> miik: have you tried mainline kernel ?
[19:43] <miik> mainline kernel, as in compile my own?
[19:44] <BUGabundo> no
[19:44] <miik> my computer randomly restarts
[19:44] <BUGabundo> its just debs you install
[19:44] <miik> whats mainline kernel?
[19:44] <BUGabundo> miik: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelMainlineBuilds
[19:45] <miik> i experienced this with 2.6.28, 2.6.30, 2.6.31-rc1
[19:45] <miik> but when i installed 9.04 i didnt have this problem, it came later, maybe cuz i had proposed and beta repo enable
[19:45] <BUGabundo> maybe
[19:45] <BUGabundo> no idea
[19:52] <miik> when repo update to 2.6.31rc2?
[19:56] <BUGabundo> no idea
[19:57] <miik> i think when linus release new kernel, ubuntu should put it in repo or something
[19:57] <miik> and the kernel mainline say error do not want installing
[20:02] <miik> why i cant put rhythmbox in systray icon?
[20:03] <miik> my rhythmbox crash after play song
[20:06] <billybigrigger> miik, it takes time to get to the repo
[20:06] <billybigrigger> you can run .31-rc2 from kernel mainline ppa
[20:06] <miik> ok
[20:06] <billybigrigger> runs fine here
[20:06] <billybigrigger> it should hit repos within a week i'd say? someone correct me if im wrong
[20:07] <miik> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/daily/current/ <-- is 17 june, not 5 july
[20:08] <miik> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/daily/2009-07-05/linux-headers-2.6.31-999_2.6.31-999.1246788999_all.deb <-- dpkg: unable to read filedescritptor flags for <pckage tatus and progress file descriptor>: Bad file descriptor
[20:09] <dtchen> sounds like a local issue. do you have sufficient disk space for starters?
[20:10] <BUGabundo> dtchen: wrong channel ?
[20:10] <miik> ya
[20:10] <BUGabundo> oh right
[20:10] <BUGabundo> darn backlog
[20:13] <billybigrigger> miik,
[20:13] <billybigrigger> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v2.6.31-rc2/
[20:14] <miik> doesnt work
[20:25] <ripps> Hi, I've been without internet for a week and I just did some updates today. I seemed to have encountered and error installing the new kernel. I think the problem is caused by update-grub. It freezes whenever it's run. Rerunning aptitute safe-upgrade seems to show that everything was installed correctly, except I can't update my grub to boot into the new kernel because it freezes on the attempt
[20:28] <dtchen> can you get a dump of where and how it freezes?
[20:28] <dtchen> are you using grub2 or grub?
[20:28] <ripps> dtchen: grub-pc, so I think grub2
[20:28] <dtchen> if the former, is grub2 _only_ active, or are you still chainloading from grub?
[20:29] <ripps> I've only ever had grub2 since installed karmic on a freshly formatted system
[20:30] <ripps> How do I get a dump?
[20:31] <dupondje> evening :)
[20:31] <dtchen> where is the update failing, precisely?
[20:31] <yofel> back
[20:32] <dtchen> is it in dpkg? in the update-grub* shell script(s)/
[20:32] <ripps> dtchen: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/395857
[20:32] <yofel> BUGabundo: how did your BT tests go? (that is - does gnome-bluetooth do anything else than freeze when you try to use it?)
[20:37] <DanaG> I use blueman, because gnome's ordinary bluetooth thing is literally useless.
[20:37] <DanaG> It has no functions aside from pairing.
[20:38] <DanaG> That is, you can pair to a device.... but then what?  You can't DO anything with said device.
[20:38] <yofel> I use blueman now as well, its really nice. But it can't turn of my bt card - bluez-gnome can
[20:39] <DanaG> hmm, you might try looking in /sys/class/rfkill
[20:45] <yofel> ok, now my bluetooth driver stopped working :(
[20:46] <yofel> I turned the card off and now it won't come up again
[20:47] <mahfiaz> what to do with NetworkManager's error: supplicant_interface_acquire: assertion `mgr_state == NM_SUPPLICANT_MANAGER_STATE_IDLE' failed
[21:30] <dupondje> pfft
[21:30] <dupondje> when will they fully fix firefox-3.5 :(
[21:31] <billybigrigger> nevar!
[21:31] <dupondje> lol
[21:32] <billybigrigger> my system's been pretty solid, minus the empathy and webcam bs
[21:33] <yofel> +1
[21:33] <yofel> I just want to know why I can't use my right alt key anymore after compiz crashed a few days ago
[21:33] <yofel> Can't use any dead keys :(
[21:33] <dupondje> firefox-3.5 is crap :( searchbar broken, clicking hyperlinks broken, and still Shiretoko branding
[21:34] <dupondje> and fast-user-switch-applet broken :(
[21:35] <billybigrigger> fast user applet was removed i think
[21:35] <DanaG> dupondje: the ubufox is what's breaking everything.
[21:35] <DanaG> dpkg --listfiles ubufox
[21:35] <DanaG> it's installed by ubuntu-desktop, and breaks stuff.
[21:36] <dupondje> its not even installed here ;)
[21:44] <BUGabundo> back
[21:45] <BUGabundo> yofel: BT tests went okayish
[21:45] <BUGabundo> for now seems blueman will be it
[21:45] <BUGabundo> I still have a gvfs prob
[21:46] <reto`> yofel: have you tried xev to see what your altgr key comes up with?
[21:52] <billybigrigger> how do i find out what module a said device is using?
[21:56] <dupondje> billybigrigger: lspci -vv
[22:01] <billybigrigger> hmm
[22:01] <billybigrigger> lsusb is showing my webcam
[22:02] <billybigrigger> syslog, dmesg, kern.log none are showing any entries of my webcam
[22:03] <billybigrigger> where else can i look for errors?
[22:03] <billybigrigger> lsusb -vv doesn't output anything useful to me
[22:03] <billybigrigger> i don't know what module or dev block it is
[22:07] <yofel> reto`: the key sequence for altgr seems ok, but if I try to use dead keys it seems to append an escape sequence. Like for | I get ^[| instead
[22:10] <yofel> reto`: here what pressing altgr gives mehttp://pastebin.com/f749ac1a0
[22:10] <reto`> yofel: yeah that looks fine
[22:11] <yofel> reto`: trying to get | http://pastebin.com/f64307927
[22:11] <yofel> it still works fine in a tty, but not in X
[22:18] <dupondje> omg :D
[22:18] <dupondje> tapping got fixed or what ;)
[22:19] <yofel> dupondje: only noticing that now?
[22:19] <dupondje> yes:P
[22:19] <dupondje> if u have external mouse ;)
[22:20] <BUGabundo> dupondje: YESSSS
[22:20] <BUGabundo> yofel: only noticed 'cause dupondje said
[22:20] <BUGabundo> eheh
[22:20] <yofel> lol
[22:20] <dupondje> fixed since ? ;)
[22:21] <yofel> 28th June
[22:21] <BUGabundo> no no
[22:21] <BUGabundo> it wasn't last week
[22:21] <yofel> I got that date from the changelog
[22:22] <yofel> the upload probably took a while
[22:25] <BUGabundo> I'm a bit late on change logs
[22:25]  * BUGabundo opens mutt
[22:26] <BUGabundo> 80 unread changelogs
[22:27] <yofel> me too, would have been better if I had read the gdm one ^^
[22:27] <yofel> /before/ upgrading it...
[22:27] <BUGabundo> eheh
[22:28] <BUGabundo> well I just press close on those damn apt-changes
[22:28] <BUGabundo> I should really read them
[22:28] <BUGabundo> specially the News ones
[22:35] <dupondje> héhé yofel  :)
[22:35] <dupondje> new gdm is crap indeed
[22:40] <billybigrigger> so are they planning on bringing in a gui config tool for it?
[22:40] <billybigrigger> or whats the deal? hacking around in config files manually doesn't seem to ubuntu-ish
[22:40] <Twigathy> the new gdm lists PulseAudio as one of the users I can login as >_<
[22:41] <dupondje> héhé not here :P
[22:41] <billybigrigger> doh
[22:41] <billybigrigger> thats not good
[22:41] <Twigathy> yah.
[22:49] <DanaG> billybigrigger: handy hint:
[22:49] <DanaG> get back to login screen, then do this to open gconf-editor:
[22:49] <DanaG> export DISPLAY=:0
[22:50] <DanaG> sudo -u gdm gconf-editor
[22:50] <DanaG> I wish there were a way to make it run nm-applet on the login screen.
[22:51] <DanaG> And the panel is glitchy... it changes size when you click a name.
[22:56] <Ng> is it just me or is f-spot quite crash-happy in karmic atm?