| BUGabundo | I would report it, but apport doesn't like it :( | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| asac | BUGabundo: what do you mean by "two times on every boot"? | 00:01 |
| BUGabundo | well | 00:01 |
| BUGabundo | I start it | 00:01 |
| BUGabundo | it crashes | 00:01 |
| BUGabundo | I start agait | 00:01 |
| BUGabundo | it crashes | 00:01 |
| BUGabundo | the 3rd it works | 00:01 |
| asac | BUGabundo: with an Xid error? | 00:02 |
| asac | BUGabundo: do you see the UI at all? | 00:02 |
| asac | or does it crashes right away? | 00:02 |
| BUGabundo | some times I have to use --sync to be able to make it start | 00:02 |
| BUGabundo | no UI | 00:02 |
| asac | i see | 00:02 |
| asac | Gdk-ERROR **: The program 'firefox-3.6' received an X Window System error. | 00:02 |
| BUGabundo | $ pastebinit .xsession-errors | 00:02 |
| BUGabundo | http://paste.ubuntu.com/210044/ | 00:02 |
| asac | This probably reflects a bug in the program. | 00:02 |
| asac | in .xsession-errors | 00:02 |
| asac | The error was 'BadWindow (invalid Window parameter)'. | 00:02 |
| asac | seesmt to be not it | 00:03 |
| asac | can you stop ffox and start it from consoel? | 00:03 |
| asac | to see what it spits out there if it crashes? | 00:03 |
| asac | (maybe start multiple times, if it doesnt crash the first time) | 00:03 |
| BUGabundo | didn't crash this time | 00:04 |
| BUGabundo | trying agin | 00:04 |
| BUGabundo | got one now | 00:04 |
| BUGabundo | http://paste.ubuntu.com/210046/ | 00:05 |
| BUGabundo | asac: another *very* anoying bug I have on 3.6 but haven't tested on a new profile: | 00:10 |
| BUGabundo | awesome bar will not store new entries | 00:10 |
| BUGabundo | so it doesn't memorize new urls | 00:10 |
| BUGabundo | (firefox-3.6:21449): Gdk-WARNING **: XID collision, trouble ahead | 00:12 |
| BUGabundo | Removing DOMNodeRemoved listener | 00:12 |
| BUGabundo | asac: I want to file a bug: 3.6 doesn't allow triple click to select a single word from URL | 00:23 |
| BUGabundo | :(((( | 00:23 |
| BUGabundo | confirmed a NEW profile | 00:24 |
| asac | doenst work with 3.5 either here | 00:31 |
| Grantbow | asac: thanks for your blog post on firefox 3.5 | 00:32 |
| asac | Grantbow: thx | 00:35 |
| Grantbow | asac: enabling proposed updates will work too? | 00:35 |
| Grantbow | for Jaunty | 00:36 |
| asac | Grantbow: yes. just posted a comment to confirm that its in jaunty-proposed | 00:36 |
| Grantbow | cool, thanks | 00:36 |
| BUGabundo | asac: you gonna get soooo many users testing packages from -proposed, without they understanting ITS TESTING PACKAGES | 00:37 |
| BUGabundo | asac: is it? I don't remember it not working on 3.5 | 00:38 |
| BUGabundo | I do remember soemthing on about:config for that | 00:39 |
| BUGabundo | crazy mozilla guys who always think they know best | 00:39 |
| asac | Grantbow: also added a "Updated:" line to the blog entry now | 00:40 |
| Grantbow | asac: great, that will help as people continue to google for this. I found your site from a link from http://www.ubuntusolutions.org/2009/07/installing-firefox-3-5-the-right-way-on-ubuntu-jaunty.html | 00:41 |
| Grantbow | I'll email him too | 00:41 |
| asac | thx | 00:42 |
| BUGabundo | asac: so bug or feature? | 00:44 |
| * BUGabundo tries to find old addon that allowed to select anything | 00:44 | |
| asac | BUGabundo: i would think its a feature ... to be sure search in bugzilla for duplicates | 00:44 |
| asac | there probably are dupes there already | 00:44 |
| BUGabundo | asac: Q: is it worth to file a bug to suspend OSD buble when typing in FF search?? | 00:49 |
| BUGabundo | its *the* most stupid UX bug ever | 00:49 |
| BUGabundo | asac: feature; http://overooped.com/post/30932542/re-firefox-3-vs-safari-3 | 00:54 |
| BUGabundo | browser.urlbar.doubleClickSelectsAll;false | 00:54 |
| BUGabundo | fixed | 00:54 |
| reed_ | asac: typo in blog post | 00:54 |
| reed_ | xulrunner, not xulrunnner | 00:55 |
| BUGabundo | (pkix_CacheCert_Add: PKIX_PL_HashTable_Add for Certs skipped: entry existed | 00:55 |
| BUGabundo | hey reed_ | 00:55 |
| reed_ | hiya, BUGabundo | 00:56 |
| * reed_ upgrades one of his older laptops from 8.10 to 9.04 | 00:56 | |
| reed_ | except my dual screen support will probably be broken | 00:56 |
| reed_ | due to no fglrx driver | 00:56 |
| reed_ | *sigh* | 00:56 |
| BUGabundo | reed_: ehehe | 00:57 |
| BUGabundo | try karmic then | 00:57 |
| BUGabundo | won't be even worse ahah | 00:57 |
| reed_ | no thanks ;) | 00:57 |
| BUGabundo | there isnt a single GPU in good state right now | 00:57 |
| Grantbow | asac: so the way you recommend right now for end users is checking the jaunty-proposed box? | 00:57 |
| BUGabundo | :(( | 00:57 |
| reed_ | Grantbow: or you can just wait a week or so | 00:58 |
| * BUGabundo would rather have users using mozilla-security PPA to -proposed | 00:58 | |
| reed_ | Grantbow: or install it manually from firefox.com | 00:58 |
| reed_ | ;) | 00:58 |
| BUGabundo | reed_: noooooooooooooooooo | 00:58 |
| reed_ | yesssssssssssss | 00:58 |
| BUGabundo | don't go tell that.... | 00:58 |
| reed_ | I run it manually ;) | 00:58 |
| Grantbow | reed_: the LUGs I'm talking to are impatient | 00:58 |
| BUGabundo | there are at least 3 PPAs with it | 00:58 |
| reed_ | using official mozilla builds | 00:58 |
| reed_ | hehe | 00:59 |
| Grantbow | reed_: and I want to give them the easiest possible solution to get it now | 00:59 |
| BUGabundo | Grantbow: my opinion counts nothing, but, go with PPA and then remove it when it hits the archive | 00:59 |
| Grantbow | the jaunty-proposed sounds best | 00:59 |
| BUGabundo | humm the prob with PPA is adding the damn key | 01:00 |
| BUGabundo | Grantbow: but that will bring many packages that are there for testing | 01:00 |
| reed_ | jaunty-proposed could easily break something else, though | 01:00 |
| reed_ | if it's not turned off later | 01:00 |
| Grantbow | BUGabundo: which PPA do you recommend? security doesn't have it yet | 01:00 |
| BUGabundo | and MOST users won't even have the slicest idea what bug they are testing | 01:00 |
| BUGabundo | sure it does | 01:00 |
| asac | Grantbow: i outlined what jaunty users should do in the blog | 01:01 |
| * BUGabundo re-checks | 01:01 | |
| asac | thats still valid | 01:01 |
| Grantbow | kk | 01:01 |
| asac | Grantbow: use -security PPA | 01:01 |
| * Grantbow reads | 01:01 | |
| asac | and all is good | 01:01 |
| asac | you can even keep its | 01:01 |
| asac | reed_: do you build with --enable-system-cairo? | 01:02 |
| reed_ | asac: no | 01:02 |
| asac | i mean the local build you are running ;) | 01:02 |
| asac | hmm. wonder that you never noticed font problems ;) | 01:02 |
| reed_ | ) | 01:02 |
| reed_ | ;) | 01:02 |
| asac | there is quite severe problem afaict if you dont use --enable-system-cairo | 01:03 |
| asac | well relatively severe ;) | 01:03 |
| reed_ | seems to work ok for me... | 01:03 |
| asac | as severe as font problems can be at all | 01:03 |
| asac | reed_: you can change the hint style in gnome appearence dialog and firefox will use that? | 01:03 |
| asac | otherwise the fonts probably look different than in other gnome apps | 01:04 |
| reed_ | dunno, haven't tried that | 01:04 |
| asac | heh | 01:04 |
| asac | reed_: do the fonts look the same as the rest of the desktop at all? | 01:04 |
| reed_ | I think I have them set differently | 01:04 |
| reed_ | on purpose | 01:04 |
| Grantbow | asac: PPAs for LUG users is kind of messy, needing to add the key and all, but I'll teach them. | 01:04 |
| asac | reed_: the chrome fonts? | 01:04 |
| reed_ | whatever the preferences allows me to set! | 01:04 |
| asac | Grantbow: the PPA is the right thing to do ... its also much safer than running -proposed | 01:05 |
| asac | its only mozilla security updates that get staged there | 01:06 |
| asac | with low risk of regressions ;) | 01:06 |
| asac | the idea was to push that directly to jaunty-security on friday | 01:06 |
| asac | but security team complained and even though i tried, we eneded up giving this a short break in -proposed | 01:07 |
| asac | complained == too many packaging changes i introducde | 01:07 |
| Grantbow | interesting - lots of users are clamoring for FF 3.5 | 01:07 |
| asac | thats normal | 01:08 |
| asac | we provide various optoins | 01:08 |
| asac | and we had - looking ahead - firefox-3.5 in the jaunty archive universe | 01:08 |
| asac | once the packages are there they wont complain anymore and this slight delay will be forgotten ;) | 01:09 |
| BUGabundo | Grantbow: sudo apt-key adv --recv-keys --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com KEYID | 01:09 |
| Grantbow | BUGabundo: yup, thanks | 01:10 |
| BUGabundo | Grantbow: thank fta. its his code LOL | 01:10 |
| BUGabundo | asac: the prob is *they* are expecting 3.5 to be default _after_ upgrade | 01:11 |
| BUGabundo | :D | 01:11 |
| asac | they will notice soon enough ;) | 01:11 |
| BUGabundo | I'm so tired replying to the same questions over and over | 01:11 |
| BUGabundo | and I bet you too | 01:11 |
| asac | not yet;) | 01:12 |
| asac | i usually dont answer :) | 01:12 |
| BUGabundo | btw karmic already has 3.5 as default? | 01:12 |
| BUGabundo | asac: ahahaha | 01:12 |
| asac | except here ;) | 01:12 |
| BUGabundo | now you can just point them to your blog | 01:12 |
| asac | yes thats the idea | 01:12 |
| BUGabundo | btw karmic already has 3.5 as default? | 01:13 |
| asac | no | 01:13 |
| asac | https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-karmic-firefox-3.5 | 01:14 |
| asac | https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-karmic-browsers | 01:14 |
| BUGabundo | those are pleanty TODOs | 01:17 |
| BUGabundo | subbed | 01:17 |
| Grantbow | asac: so firefox does not use update-alternatives? | 01:19 |
| BUGabundo | it does | 01:21 |
| BUGabundo | but it won't change 3.5 to default | 01:22 |
| BUGabundo | it will remain as 3.0 | 01:22 |
| Grantbow | hmm, I see it's used for other commands but not "firefox", so changing the default is still a matter of the sym link in /usr/bin? | 01:23 |
| asac | bug 380196 | 01:23 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 380196 in firefox-3.5 "add an alternative to /usr/bin/firefox" [Undecided,Won't fix] https://launchpad.net/bugs/380196 | 01:23 |
| asac | wont fix | 01:23 |
| asac | Grantbow: changing the default is a matter of moving the link to the right position, yes. | 01:24 |
| Grantbow | very important for users to know, thanks for that. I'll read up on it too. | 01:24 |
| asac | read my last comment now | 01:26 |
| * Grantbow nods | 01:36 | |
| asac | Grantbow: yes | 01:42 |
| asac | oops | 01:42 |
| asac | ;) | 01:42 |
| * asac confused by scrollback | 01:42 | |
| asac | its getting late | 01:42 |
| BUGabundo | asac: true | 01:43 |
| BUGabundo | I'm about to go to bed | 01:43 |
| BUGabundo | just trying to find a nice geek part message | 01:44 |
| BUGabundo | lol | 01:44 |
| * BUGabundo $off ; $echo You can't off me; $sudo off; $echo ahaha you trieeeddddddzzzzzzzz | 01:45 | |
| rzr | http://linuxologist.com/linuxhumor/ubuntu-is-a-microsoft-product-now/ | 03:19 |
| === rzr is now known as rZr | ||
| === asac_ is now known as asac | ||
| asac | ola | 10:55 |
| BUGabundo | ola | 11:00 |
| * BUGabundo to be cordial, I should have replied in german | 11:00 | |
| BUGabundo | _Guntag_ | 11:00 |
| eagles0513875 | BUGabundo: hey | 11:04 |
| BUGabundo | that was fast | 11:04 |
| eagles0513875 | heheh | 11:04 |
| BUGabundo | asac: eagles0513875 here has a broken card | 11:04 |
| eagles0513875 | viva 10mbps cable connection lol | 11:04 |
| eagles0513875 | not a broken card it works fine on nm on jaunty | 11:05 |
| BUGabundo | wicd not as user friendly as NM | 11:05 |
| eagles0513875 | i know | 11:05 |
| BUGabundo | he wants to test NM 0.8 | 11:05 |
| BUGabundo | will it help his case? | 11:05 |
| eagles0513875 | but i think this is the regression that jaunty had where it couldnt connect to wpa | 11:05 |
| eagles0513875 | my wifi connection is wpa2 mixed connection | 11:05 |
| BUGabundo | eagles0513875: this kind of broakage is usually driver (aka kernel), not much that NM can do/fix | 11:05 |
| BUGabundo | oh right | 11:05 |
| BUGabundo | your prob is encription | 11:06 |
| asac | dont think that 0.8 would reall yhelp | 11:06 |
| BUGabundo | not actual device suport | 11:06 |
| asac | if NM doesnt work it means that the driver sucks ;) | 11:06 |
| eagles0513875 | would wicd help | 11:06 |
| asac | especially if wicd is working | 11:06 |
| eagles0513875 | asac: it works fine in jaunty | 11:06 |
| asac | then its a regression ;) | 11:06 |
| asac | eagles0513875: what driver is it? | 11:06 |
| eagles0513875 | its the oss reversed engineered b43-fwcutter | 11:06 |
| eagles0513875 | for me the proprietary one doesnt work for me | 11:06 |
| BUGabundo | asac: what does wicd really do, to work in so many cases where NM doesn't ? | 11:07 |
| asac | yeah. those proprietary broadcom drivers are doomed to decay over time | 11:07 |
| eagles0513875 | b43-fwcutter isnt propritary though | 11:07 |
| eagles0513875 | !b43-fwcutter | 11:07 |
| ubottu | Sorry, I don't know anything about b43-fwcutter | 11:07 |
| asac | e.g. they worked well in old kernels, but they dont get better ;) | 11:07 |
| eagles0513875 | !info b43-fwcutter | 11:07 |
| ubottu | b43-fwcutter (source: b43-fwcutter): Utility for extracting Broadcom 43xx firmware. In component main, is optional. Version 1:011-5 (jaunty), package size 16 kB, installed size 108 kB | 11:07 |
| eagles0513875 | thats what i use right there | 11:07 |
| asac | no. but it wrapps the binary | 11:07 |
| eagles0513875 | meaning | 11:07 |
| asac | so that works? | 11:08 |
| eagles0513875 | on jaunty but not on karmic | 11:08 |
| asac | ok | 11:08 |
| asac | maybe you accidentically cut out a newer firmware from broadcom= | 11:08 |
| asac | ? | 11:08 |
| asac | or are you 100% sure that you have the same firmware used on karmic vs. jaunty | 11:08 |
| eagles0513875 | its saying its installed which seems to be 1:012-1 from main repo | 11:09 |
| asac | eagles0513875: thats not the firmware | 11:09 |
| eagles0513875 | ohhhhh wait | 11:09 |
| eagles0513875 | jaunty is a slightly older one then karmic | 11:09 |
| asac | eagles0513875: fwcutter is a tool ... it downloads a firmware from broadcom website | 11:09 |
| asac | and cuts out the ugly blob bits | 11:09 |
| eagles0513875 | jaunty 1:011-5 and karmic has 012-1 | 11:09 |
| asac | so it could be that fwcutter is broken or that the firmware downloaded changed | 11:10 |
| asac | could you please check that? | 11:10 |
| eagles0513875 | so basically uninstall reinstall | 11:11 |
| asac | no | 11:11 |
| asac | figure out the version you downloaded from broadcom (not the ubuntu package) | 11:12 |
| asac | or download the firmware and install it on jaunty and karmic to check | 11:12 |
| asac | if that all doesnt help, also check whether you actually use the same driver | 11:12 |
| BUGabundo | asac: who is supporting BT in karmic? | 11:12 |
| asac | there are multiple b4xxx drivers in the kernel | 11:12 |
| BUGabundo | its even more broken then in jaunty | 11:12 |
| asac | so it might be that you now use a different | 11:13 |
| asac | BUGabundo: BT? | 11:13 |
| BUGabundo | can't even connect to devices, doesn't accept password | 11:13 |
| asac | bittorrent? bluetooth? | 11:13 |
| BUGabundo | asac: BlueTooth | 11:13 |
| BUGabundo | ahah right too many meaning | 11:13 |
| asac | BUGabundo: are you using bluez-gnome? | 11:13 |
| BUGabundo | applet freeses | 11:13 |
| BUGabundo | asac: I _think_ I'm using what ever karmic brings | 11:13 |
| BUGabundo | let me check | 11:13 |
| asac | BUGabundo: ok. remove bluez-gnome and install blueman | 11:13 |
| asac | restart system | 11:14 |
| asac | check that all works still | 11:14 |
| asac | then also remove blueman and install gnome-bluetooth | 11:14 |
| BUGabundo | ahah | 11:14 |
| asac | check that it works and compare to blueman | 11:14 |
| BUGabundo | come on... all 3? | 11:14 |
| asac | tell me what works better | 11:14 |
| eagles0513875 | broadcom is pita | 11:14 |
| asac | ack | 11:14 |
| BUGabundo | too many reboots for me | 11:14 |
| eagles0513875 | asac: seems like alot of linux wifi drivers are done and supported by http://linuxwireless.org/ | 11:14 |
| asac | eagles0513875: if you can find your wifi card easily in your laptop, just buy a iwl4965 from ebay for 5 bucks ;) | 11:14 |
| BUGabundo | bluez: Installed: 4.41-0ubuntu2 | 11:14 |
| asac | and replace it | 11:15 |
| asac | ;) | 11:15 |
| asac | that saves you lots of issues | 11:15 |
| eagles0513875 | i can i know the model and everything | 11:15 |
| BUGabundo | blueman: Installed: (none) Candidate: 1.10-2 | 11:15 |
| eagles0513875 | thing is this is an hp tablet so no pcmcia no nothing | 11:15 |
| BUGabundo | gnome-bluetooth: Installed: 2.27.5-1ubuntu1 | 11:15 |
| asac | eagles0513875: thats what i said. if you can find the wifi card inside | 11:15 |
| BUGabundo | asac: so I better remove all and just install ONE ? | 11:15 |
| eagles0513875 | ahhhh my bad | 11:15 |
| asac | BUGabundo: yes | 11:15 |
| eagles0513875 | i have one place i can ask is the linux-wireless irc channel | 11:16 |
| asac | eagles0513875: to find the card inside your chassis? | 11:16 |
| asac | eagles0513875: just open your laptop ... usually its obvious ;) | 11:16 |
| eagles0513875 | no to see if there are any patches or anything that is needed for the wifi to work | 11:16 |
| * asac does not encourage anyone to break his system ;) | 11:16 | |
| * BUGabundo fires up synaptic | 11:16 | |
| eagles0513875 | asac: lspci also works its a bcm4311 reb2 wifi card | 11:16 |
| asac | eagles0513875: like i said. first check that you reall yuse the same firmware | 11:16 |
| asac | thats not the vresion you see in ubuntu | 11:16 |
| asac | its the version you find on broadcom website | 11:17 |
| eagles0513875 | which they dont even have linux drivers for | 11:17 |
| eagles0513875 | linuxwireless.org im guessing is in charge of any linux drivers for broadcom | 11:17 |
| asac | eagles0513875: do you understand what i am saying? | 11:17 |
| asac | eagles0513875: no they are not | 11:17 |
| asac | eagles0513875: broadcom is unsupported by linuxwireless | 11:17 |
| eagles0513875 | im not able to find anything on the broadcom site | 11:17 |
| asac | eagles0513875: fwcutter downloads a file from broadcom site | 11:18 |
| asac | that one you need to compare | 11:18 |
| asac | with the one you installed in jaunty | 11:18 |
| * eagles0513875 wishes vmware server worked right now | 11:18 | |
| micahg | I used the wl driver on the last broadcom laptop I had | 11:19 |
| BUGabundo | asac: libbluetooth3 pulls evolution, gnome-do etc! should I keep it? | 11:19 |
| asac | micahg: yeah. but wl doesnt work for all | 11:19 |
| micahg | I had to use ndiswrapper and the windows driver before that | 11:19 |
| asac | BUGabundo: i dont knwo | 11:20 |
| asac | BUGabundo: i had no problems eliminating blue-gnome | 11:20 |
| micahg | fwcutter never worked for me | 11:20 |
| eagles0513875 | your the opposite of me micahg | 11:20 |
| eagles0513875 | the proprietary doesnt work for me but fwcutter does | 11:20 |
| asac | micahg: if wl works, fwcutter is not supposed to work afaik | 11:20 |
| micahg | I don't have broadcom anymore | 11:21 |
| micahg | now I have atheros | 11:21 |
| BUGabundo | asac: ok all 3 meta packages removed | 11:23 |
| asac | eagles0513875: you said that wicd worked on karmic still? | 11:23 |
| BUGabundo | brb | 11:24 |
| BUGabundo | rebooting to test bluetooth | 11:24 |
| eagles0513875 | someone else was able to successfully use wicd not me | 11:24 |
| asac | ok | 11:25 |
| asac | i really think do this: a) check that the firmware downloaded is identical to the one you used in jaunty (thats downloaded from broadcom) | 11:25 |
| asac | b) if you are sure about that, check whether you actually use the same driver in januty vs. karmic | 11:25 |
| asac | there are a bunch of b4xxxx drivers | 11:26 |
| eagles0513875 | ok will try that | 11:26 |
| eagles0513875 | i need to restart my computer ill be back in a few cuz i need to get on vmware and that isnt working now | 11:26 |
| asac | c) if all is the same, check the committs that happened on the driver you are usin gin the upstrema kernel tree | 11:26 |
| asac | there probably shouldnt be that many | 11:26 |
| asac | so with some luck you can identify what caused this regression | 11:26 |
| eagles0513875 | :) | 11:26 |
| asac | d) complain on linux-wireless | 11:26 |
| eagles0513875 | i will :) | 11:27 |
| asac | but i think that they wont help you | 11:27 |
| asac | broadcom is a mess | 11:27 |
| eagles0513875 | lol tell me bout it | 11:27 |
| eagles0513875 | when i first started with edgy it was a nightmare | 11:27 |
| asac | e) open up your computer ... rip out this broadcom shit | 11:27 |
| eagles0513875 | lol | 11:27 |
| asac | buy a good card on ebay | 11:27 |
| asac | for 5EUR | 11:27 |
| asac | and put that in | 11:27 |
| asac | (seriously | 11:27 |
| asac | ) | 11:27 |
| eagles0513875 | this laptop is still under warrenty though so i dont wanna void the warrenty | 11:27 |
| asac | i dont thin kit would void th warrenty ;) | 11:28 |
| eagles0513875 | its hp they are a mess as well | 11:28 |
| asac | its just changing a component :) | 11:28 |
| eagles0513875 | i couldnt use the manufacturers warrenty on a machine i bought in the states | 11:28 |
| asac | often you can just open the back panel and there is the card .. similar to a card in a desktop PC | 11:28 |
| asac | f you are out of luck its behind the laptop screen | 11:28 |
| asac | then youar elost ;) | 11:28 |
| asac | eagles0513875: send machine back and claim warrenty; say the broadcom card is broken :) | 11:29 |
| asac | seriously, everybody should cause work on the OEM side if they ship broadcom stuff | 11:30 |
| asac | even if its just complaining that its "broken" and they have to check it etc | 11:30 |
| eagles0513875 | ya they replaced it with another broadcom | 11:30 |
| asac | OEMs buy into broadcom because they are so cheap ... so raise maintenance cost and they will pick atheros ;) | 11:30 |
| asac | eagles0513875: always cause work on their side explicitly mentioning broadcom :) ... maybe that helps at some point ;) | 11:31 |
| eagles0513875 | i hear atheros is a nightmare though as well | 11:31 |
| asac | if they replace with broadcom say that its stil lbroekn | 11:31 |
| BUGabundo | asac: back | 11:31 |
| asac | eagles0513875: atheros is at least on their way tobecome one of the good guys | 11:31 |
| BUGabundo | asac: what the 1st metapack you want me to test? | 11:31 |
| eagles0513875 | thats good to hear | 11:31 |
| asac | at least they work together with linux folks on real linux drivers | 11:31 |
| asac | in the mainline tree | 11:32 |
| asac | and dont hide behind: "its illegal to ship open source drivers in the US" | 11:32 |
| eagles0513875 | asac: what does it mean when wlan0: ap denied association code=13 | 11:32 |
| asac | can mean anything | 11:32 |
| asac | is that driver message or wpa_supplicant? | 11:32 |
| asac | did you try to connect to a open AP? (e.g. no WPA?) | 11:33 |
| eagles0513875 | no i havent | 11:33 |
| eagles0513875 | the message is showing up in dmesg | 11:33 |
| eagles0513875 | there is another one in dmesg disassociating by local choice reason 3 | 11:33 |
| BUGabundo | asac: what the 1st bluetooth metapack you want me to test? | 11:33 |
| asac | BUGabundo: blueman or gnome-bluetooth | 11:35 |
| asac | you can choose | 11:35 |
| BUGabundo | aah | 11:35 |
| BUGabundo | blueman it is | 11:35 |
| eagles0513875 | asac: found a shell installation script that seems to get wifi driver from openwrt.org | 11:36 |
| BUGabundo | blueman pools bluez? | 11:36 |
| asac | BUGabundo: yes. thats ok | 11:36 |
| asac | just not bluez-gnome | 11:36 |
| BUGabundo | asac: $ dpkg -l | grep blue | pastebinit http://paste.ubuntu.com/210282/ | 11:37 |
| BUGabundo | asac: is that enough/ok ? | 11:37 |
| BUGabundo | reboot again ? | 11:37 |
| asac | BUGabundo: maybe .... usually you dont need to reboot | 11:38 |
| asac | restart bluetooth ... and re-login | 11:39 |
| BUGabundo | ok | 11:39 |
| BUGabundo | restart bt and nothing | 11:39 |
| BUGabundo | trying session now | 11:39 |
| BUGabundo | asac: back | 11:44 |
| BUGabundo | ok I see the applet | 11:44 |
| BUGabundo | I can go to settings | 11:44 |
| BUGabundo | but it hasn't any other options enabled | 11:44 |
| BUGabundo | they are greyed out | 11:44 |
| BUGabundo | device, adaptors, send, receive, nothing | 11:45 |
| BUGabundo | asac: should I try the next on the list, or am I missing a package? | 11:46 |
| BUGabundo | OT, asac NM 0.8 autoconnect is stupid! won't set proper DNSs or something, so I always have to disconnect and manually connect for it to work | 11:47 |
| * BUGabundo feels ignored | 11:49 | |
| BUGabundo | ok no reply moving on. gnome-bluetooth | 11:51 |
| eagles0513875 | im here BUGabundo | 11:53 |
| asac | did get some coffee | 11:54 |
| BUGabundo | ahh | 11:54 |
| BUGabundo | I was about to ask eagles0513875 if you said that | 11:54 |
| asac | BUGabundo: settings? couldnt you open the dialog where you can scan etc? | 11:54 |
| BUGabundo | ok gnome-bluetooth installed | 11:54 |
| BUGabundo | asac: err too late?! | 11:54 |
| BUGabundo | only to button available on the applet | 11:55 |
| BUGabundo | turn on/off and preferences | 11:55 |
| asac | BUGabundo: yes. you have to turn on | 11:55 |
| BUGabundo | all other were greyd out | 11:55 |
| asac | ;) | 11:55 |
| BUGabundo | duh | 11:55 |
| BUGabundo | it was ON | 11:55 |
| BUGabundo | I'm blond, not stupid | 11:55 |
| asac | BUGabundo: but you right clicked | 11:55 |
| asac | BUGabundo: have you tried to left clikc? | 11:55 |
| BUGabundo | yes yes | 11:55 |
| asac | BUGabundo: you have to left click | 11:55 |
| BUGabundo | both | 11:55 |
| asac | and there you get the dialog | 11:56 |
| asac | did you see that? | 11:56 |
| BUGabundo | no dialgog here | 11:56 |
| BUGabundo | let me revert the instal | 11:56 |
| asac | well | 11:56 |
| asac | that happens | 11:56 |
| BUGabundo | darn you and your coffe | 11:56 |
| asac | it open dialog called "bluetooth devices" | 11:56 |
| asac | there you first have to setup/bond devices | 11:56 |
| asac | before you get options available via right click | 11:56 |
| BUGabundo | reverted to blueman | 11:57 |
| BUGabundo | restart BT | 11:57 |
| BUGabundo | no applet | 11:57 |
| BUGabundo | reboot? | 11:57 |
| asac | BUGabundo: http://people.ubuntu.com/~asac/tmp/Screenshot-Bluetooth%20Devices.png | 11:57 |
| BUGabundo | or manually start it? | 11:57 |
| asac | let me check | 11:57 |
| asac | yes. start blueman-applet from a command line | 11:57 |
| BUGabundo | Bluez daemon is not running, blueman-manager cannot continue | 11:57 |
| BUGabundo | lolol | 11:57 |
| asac | BUGabundo: sudo /etc/init.d/bluetooth restart | 11:58 |
| BUGabundo | $ blueman-applet | 11:58 |
| BUGabundo | Loading configuration plugins | 11:58 |
| BUGabundo | there is an instance already running | 11:58 |
| asac | ps -eaf | grep bluetoothd | 11:58 |
| asac | root 3488 1 0 Jul04 ? 00:00:00 /usr/sbin/bluetoothd | 11:58 |
| BUGabundo | ahh there it is | 11:58 |
| BUGabundo | I already restart it, but took a 2nd try | 11:58 |
| BUGabundo | ok left click now opens somehting | 11:58 |
| asac | yeah. bluetoothd is sometimes not deterministic | 11:58 |
| * BUGabundo checks phone bt is on | 11:58 | |
| asac | BUGabundo: so do you get the dialog? | 11:59 |
| BUGabundo | yep | 11:59 |
| asac | and there you have to setup your device first | 11:59 |
| asac | good | 11:59 |
| BUGabundo | and the right click also as more options now | 11:59 |
| BUGabundo | trying to browse the phone | 11:59 |
| BUGabundo | err | 12:00 |
| BUGabundo | nautilus opens and closes | 12:00 |
| BUGabundo | no success | 12:00 |
| asac | ps -eaf | grep obex | 12:00 |
| asac | asac 4398 1 0 Jul04 ? 00:00:00 /usr/bin/obex-data-server --no-daemon | 12:00 |
| asac | do you have that running at all? | 12:00 |
| BUGabundo | $ ps -eaf | grep obex | 12:00 |
| BUGabundo | 1000 21792 1 0 11:59 ? 00:00:00 /usr/lib/gvfs/gvfsd-obexftp --spawner :1.5 /org/gtk/gvfs/exec_spaw/3 | 12:00 |
| BUGabundo | 1000 26344 1 0 11:41 ? 00:00:02 /usr/bin/obex-data-server --no-daemon | 12:00 |
| asac | k | 12:00 |
| BUGabundo | I have the mount icon with the phone | 12:00 |
| BUGabundo | I just can't open nautilus on it | 12:00 |
| asac | what do you mean by "mount symbol" ? | 12:01 |
| BUGabundo | I have this mount applet | 12:01 |
| asac | BUGabundo: so in the dialog do you see that you are currently connected to the phne? | 12:01 |
| BUGabundo | same thing as desktop icons | 12:01 |
| BUGabundo | but easier to reach | 12:01 |
| BUGabundo | yep | 12:01 |
| asac | ok | 12:01 |
| BUGabundo | its connected and *mounted* | 12:01 |
| asac | BUGabundo: ok. you can also try to use 3g ;)? | 12:01 |
| BUGabundo | trying dolphin file explorer | 12:01 |
| asac | -> serial ports -> dial up service | 12:02 |
| BUGabundo | 3G? like what? | 12:02 |
| BUGabundo | access from phone or share from phone? | 12:02 |
| asac | that will only work with 0.7.1 though | 12:02 |
| asac | BUGabundo: right click on phone in dialog | 12:02 |
| asac | first menu entry is | 12:02 |
| asac | serial ports for me | 12:02 |
| asac | there is dialup service | 12:02 |
| BUGabundo | I see both | 12:02 |
| asac | if i click on that i get a 3g device in network-manager 0.7.1 (not 0.8 i would think, but havent tried) | 12:02 |
| asac | otoh, i think the latest mm is now using udev | 12:03 |
| asac | so maybe 0.8 works | 12:03 |
| BUGabundo | so now what? | 12:03 |
| BUGabundo | dialog or serial? | 12:03 |
| BUGabundo | and what exactly do you want? | 12:03 |
| _eagles0513875_ | humm | 12:03 |
| BUGabundo | me to access web from the phone via my laptop (on 3g already) | 12:04 |
| === _eagles0513875_ is now known as eagles0513875 | ||
| asac | BUGabundo: in the dialog if you right click on your phone | 12:04 |
| eagles0513875 | wtf | 12:04 |
| BUGabundo | or access net using phone as modem | 12:04 |
| eagles0513875 | brb | 12:04 |
| asac | i can select "serial ports" -> "dial up" | 12:04 |
| asac | does that work for you? | 12:04 |
| BUGabundo | "Success" | 12:04 |
| BUGabundo | that's what it shows | 12:04 |
| BUGabundo | no idea what it did | 12:04 |
| asac | BUGabundo: it creates the rfcomm device | 12:04 |
| BUGabundo | I see a rfccomm | 12:05 |
| asac | check ls /dev/rfcomm | 12:05 |
| BUGabundo | yep | 12:05 |
| BUGabundo | $ ls /dev/rfcomm | 12:05 |
| BUGabundo | ls: cannot access /dev/rfcomm: No such file or directory | 12:05 |
| asac | BUGabundo: did it show up in NM=? | 12:05 |
| asac | BUGabundo: yeah its rfcomm1 | 12:05 |
| asac | or something | 12:05 |
| BUGabundo | not in NM | 12:05 |
| asac | BUGabundo: but you run 0.8, right? | 12:05 |
| BUGabundo | $ ls /dev/rfcomm0 | 12:05 |
| BUGabundo | crw-rw---- 1 root dialout 216, 0 2009-07-05 12:04 /dev/rfcomm0 | 12:05 |
| asac | yeah | 12:05 |
| asac | looks good | 12:05 |
| asac | usulaly it would now just work in NM | 12:05 |
| asac | which is a great plus of blueman | 12:05 |
| BUGabundo | network-manager: Installed: 0.8~a~git.20090702t164632.9c8e600-0ubuntu1~nmt1 | 12:06 |
| asac | right | 12:06 |
| asac | BUGabundo: if you like 3g over bluetooth you can try later again | 12:06 |
| asac | now check gnome-bluetooth | 12:06 |
| BUGabundo | ahah naaaa | 12:06 |
| BUGabundo | over priced here | 12:06 |
| asac | i doubt that the nautilus experience will be better | 12:06 |
| asac | BUGabundo: you can put your 3g card in your phone ;)= | 12:06 |
| BUGabundo | I can't see the mount point any where | 12:06 |
| BUGabundo | its not on Mount, not on .gfvs | 12:06 |
| BUGabundo | :( | 12:06 |
| BUGabundo | can't browse it | 12:06 |
| asac | BUGabundo: well. maybe it got disconnected | 12:06 |
| BUGabundo | let me remount it | 12:07 |
| asac | works for me ;) | 12:07 |
| asac | i just click on "browse for file ..." | 12:07 |
| BUGabundo | same thing | 12:07 |
| asac | and it open nautilus on phone | 12:07 |
| BUGabundo | nautilus opens then closes | 12:07 |
| asac | BUGabundo: did you properly bond your device? | 12:07 |
| asac | let me remove the phone from blueman and see what happens on fresh setup | 12:08 |
| asac | so now i an empty blueman dialog | 12:08 |
| asac | i hit "search ..." | 12:08 |
| BUGabundo | is there a wrong way to do it ? :) | 12:08 |
| asac | BUGabundo: not sure. if you didnt create it through search it might still have old config struff from bluez-gnome maybe | 12:08 |
| BUGabundo | removing device from bt , and pc from phone | 12:09 |
| BUGabundo | making new ones now | 12:09 |
| asac | BUGabundo: i think you only need to remove from bt | 12:10 |
| BUGabundo | new bond with 55555 pin works | 12:10 |
| BUGabundo | tried to browse, got asked on phone, accepted, and nautilus closed again | 12:10 |
| asac | when connected it looks like this: http://people.ubuntu.com/~asac/tmp/Screenshot-Bluetooth%20Devices-1.png | 12:10 |
| asac | BUGabundo: hmm | 12:11 |
| asac | BUGabundo: mount |pastebinit ;) | 12:11 |
| asac | back in 3 minutes | 12:12 |
| BUGabundo | asac: http://files.getdropbox.com/u/112892/screenshot_001.png | 12:13 |
| BUGabundo | $ mount | pastebinit http://paste.ubuntu.com/210298/ | 12:13 |
| e-jat | both of u use NM 0.8? | 12:14 |
| BUGabundo | I do | 12:14 |
| BUGabundo | not sure about asac | 12:14 |
| BUGabundo | why e-jat ? | 12:14 |
| e-jat | just asking :) | 12:15 |
| BUGabundo | e-jat: just pre-testing *before* asac puts it in the repo and breaks it to everyone | 12:15 |
| e-jat | i manage to use bluetooth with my Wmobile .. but using cli .. | 12:15 |
| e-jat | BUGabundo: ic .. | 12:15 |
| BUGabundo | cli? | 12:16 |
| e-jat | cmd line | 12:16 |
| BUGabundo | this is for Human Beings! | 12:16 |
| BUGabundo | I no what cli is LOL | 12:16 |
| e-jat | BUGabundo: yeap .. | 12:16 |
| BUGabundo | so _unfortunately_ we need click and forget | 12:16 |
| * BUGabundo hates mice. not the furry ones | 12:16 | |
| e-jat | :) | 12:16 |
| e-jat | im in kubuntu nowdays .. maybe can login to my gnome n test it :) | 12:17 |
| BUGabundo | so feris runing karmic? | 12:17 |
| e-jat | yeap | 12:17 |
| asac | i use 0.8 too atm | 12:18 |
| asac | works good | 12:18 |
| asac | 0.8 pre-alpha ;) | 12:18 |
| asac | with modemmanager :) | 12:19 |
| asac | BUGabundo: so accessing devices still doesnt work for you? | 12:19 |
| asac | browsing files i mean | 12:19 |
| asac | sounds like its really more a gvfs problem | 12:19 |
| asac | than bluetooth | 12:19 |
| e-jat | modemmanager? cool .. | 12:19 |
| asac | e-jat: https://edge.launchpad.net/~modemmanager/+archive/ppa | 12:20 |
| asac | -> NM 0.7.1 + Modemmanager | 12:20 |
| BUGabundo | eheh pre-alpha LOL | 12:20 |
| asac | https://edge.launchpad.net/~network-manager/+archive/trunk | 12:20 |
| e-jat | hope to get pand manager too | 12:20 |
| asac | -> NM 0.8 + modemmanager | 12:20 |
| asac | e-jat: what do you use pan for? | 12:20 |
| BUGabundo | pand? | 12:20 |
| asac | e-jat: its supported in trunk | 12:20 |
| asac | afaik | 12:20 |
| asac | at least we have general bluetooth support there now | 12:20 |
| BUGabundo | pand? | 12:21 |
| e-jat | pand with my mobile | 12:21 |
| BUGabundo | asac: ill talk to seb tomorrow about gfvs then | 12:21 |
| asac | e-jat: tell me what use case you are going to | 12:21 |
| BUGabundo | shall I try gnome-bt now ? | 12:21 |
| asac | BUGabundo: yeah. please check gnome-bluetooth just to be sure | 12:21 |
| e-jat | BUGabundo: The pand PAN daemon allows your computer to connect to ethernet networks using Bluetooth. | 12:21 |
| asac | BUGabundo: also be sure you upgraded everything | 12:21 |
| asac | e-jat: i just wonder why you want to do that | 12:22 |
| e-jat | asac: ? can understand it .. | 12:22 |
| asac | whats the use case you are filling | 12:22 |
| e-jat | cant | 12:22 |
| asac | understood my question now? | 12:22 |
| e-jat | owh .. | 12:23 |
| e-jat | asac: i using it with my ISC in windows mobile | 12:23 |
| BUGabundo | http://valid.tjp.hu/tjpzoom/ OMFG | 12:23 |
| BUGabundo | JS zoom LOL | 12:23 |
| e-jat | is there any better way to get connected with it .. | 12:23 |
| e-jat | love to hear that | 12:23 |
| BUGabundo | asac: entire system update (behing gdm and rpm) | 12:24 |
| BUGabundo | installed gnome-bt | 12:25 |
| e-jat | asac: any other way to make it work with windows Internet Connection Sharing (ICS) ? | 12:25 |
| BUGabundo | e-jat: well blueman seems to do it! | 12:25 |
| BUGabundo | I has intergration with NM or standalone | 12:25 |
| BUGabundo | asac: $ sudo /etc/init.d/bluetooth restart \n sudo: /etc/init.d/bluetooth: command not found | 12:26 |
| asac | e-jat: ok. so your computer gets an ip from your buetooth device? | 12:26 |
| e-jat | BUGabundo: will try the bleuman | 12:26 |
| asac | and your bluetooth device goes online for you? | 12:26 |
| asac | BUGabundo: you removed bluez? | 12:26 |
| e-jat | get ip | 12:26 |
| BUGabundo | asac: yep | 12:26 |
| asac | BUGabundo: thats worng ;) | 12:27 |
| asac | without bluez nothing will work | 12:27 |
| BUGabundo | asac: LOL | 12:27 |
| asac | bluez has kind of a monopoly | 12:27 |
| e-jat | why is blueman removing gnome-bluetooth ? | 12:27 |
| asac | so we always will have bluez | 12:27 |
| BUGabundo | then gnome-bt *should* depend on it | 12:27 |
| asac | what is interchangableis the applet | 12:27 |
| asac | and the obexd | 12:27 |
| asac | BUGabundo: you are right | 12:27 |
| asac | BUGabundo: thats a packaging bug for sure | 12:27 |
| BUGabundo | wanna me to file ? | 12:27 |
| asac | e-jat: its a drop in replacement | 12:27 |
| asac | e-jat: using same file names | 12:28 |
| BUGabundo | I'm quite low on my bug quota this cycle | 12:28 |
| e-jat | ic | 12:28 |
| asac | e-jat: also there is not much sense havin both running | 12:28 |
| BUGabundo | asac: wanna me to file it, or will I take care of it?? | 12:28 |
| asac | BUGabundo: yes. please file. and assign to me | 12:28 |
| e-jat | which one better ? gnome-bluetooth or blueman? | 12:28 |
| asac | e-jat: thats still open | 12:29 |
| asac | e-jat: we will decide soon what we will use in karmic | 12:29 |
| asac | e-jat: your input cn influence this | 12:29 |
| asac | e.g. i have to decide soonish ... now i am getting first impressions ;) | 12:30 |
| asac | bleuman is python ... gnome-bt is C | 12:30 |
| asac | also blueman seems to be a bit ahead feature wise | 12:30 |
| asac | but gnome-bt is a gnome project which gives regular releases and good translations | 12:30 |
| BUGabundo | asac: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-bluetooth/+bug/395725 | 12:30 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 395725 in gnome-bluetooth "gnome-bluetooth misses dependency from bluez " [Undecided,New] | 12:30 |
| asac | and also its a pretty new fork of gnome-bluez so there is hope they catch up | 12:30 |
| asac | BUGabundo: thanks | 12:30 |
| BUGabundo | asac: bluez installed | 12:31 |
| e-jat | owh really .. | 12:31 |
| BUGabundo | bt restarted | 12:31 |
| BUGabundo | applet there | 12:32 |
| asac | also i try to find out which upstream is more responsive | 12:32 |
| BUGabundo | left click is hanging a bit | 12:32 |
| e-jat | hmm will try the blueman when i got a time | 12:32 |
| asac | so far both are in state "unresponsive" ;) | 12:32 |
| asac | e-jat: the ui is better imo ;) | 12:32 |
| asac | http://people.ubuntu.com/~asac/tmp/Screenshot-Bluetooth%20Devices-1.png | 12:32 |
| BUGabundo | asac: hummm I smell reboot | 12:33 |
| asac | BUGabundo: thats usually not a solution | 12:33 |
| asac | ;) | 12:33 |
| asac | let me try gnome-bluetooth | 12:33 |
| asac | to see whats up ;) | 12:33 |
| e-jat | but i prefer to use usb cable (rndis) with my phone | 12:33 |
| BUGabundo | then gnome.bt is toast on my side | 12:33 |
| e-jat | the blueman UI ? | 12:33 |
| BUGabundo | e-jat: I prefer no wires | 12:33 |
| e-jat | BUGabundo: but sometime i use bt | 12:34 |
| e-jat | for stability | 12:34 |
| e-jat | asac: owh .. the screenshot is blueman ? | 12:34 |
| BUGabundo | errr | 12:34 |
| e-jat | ic | 12:34 |
| BUGabundo | wth | 12:34 |
| BUGabundo | bluetooth-applet | 12:35 |
| BUGabundo | is another applet | 12:35 |
| * BUGabundo is confused | 12:35 | |
| BUGabundo | now have *two* applets | 12:35 |
| asac | BUGabundo: thats what you need to start | 12:35 |
| asac | BUGabundo: what was the first you started? | 12:35 |
| BUGabundo | one does nothing the other does very little | 12:35 |
| asac | ps -eaf | grep blue.*applet | 12:36 |
| asac | BUGabundo: ? | 12:36 |
| BUGabundo | asac: no. I had the blueman applet, that appeard on it self after gnome.bt install | 12:36 |
| BUGabundo | $ ps -eaf | grep blue.*applet | 12:36 |
| BUGabundo | 1000 19962 14549 0 12:34 pts/1 00:00:00 bluetooth-applet | 12:36 |
| BUGabundo | 1000 26181 25998 0 11:41 ? 00:00:11 /usr/bin/python /usr/bin/blueman-applet | 12:36 |
| asac | kill 26181 | 12:36 |
| BUGabundo | need to kill that sucker | 12:36 |
| asac | kill 19962 | 12:36 |
| asac | then start bluetooth-applet again | 12:36 |
| asac | having two applets fighting over bluetoothd isnt good ,) | 12:36 |
| BUGabundo | ahhh much better | 12:37 |
| BUGabundo | should it have been removed when uninstled? | 12:37 |
| BUGabundo | or was it stuck in memory running? | 12:37 |
| * BUGabundo is getting a bunch of new followers on identica... poor things! don't know where they are entering!! | 12:38 | |
| asac | BUGabundo: you didnt stop it after uninstalling | 12:38 |
| asac | thats ok | 12:38 |
| e-jat | BUGabundo: for u .. which one better ? gnome-bt or blueman ? | 12:39 |
| asac | i dont want to kill stuff in postrm scripts of packages | 12:39 |
| BUGabundo | trying to connect to phone | 12:39 |
| asac | BUGabundo: usually user should be asked to re-login (reboot) | 12:39 |
| BUGabundo | e-jat: so far blueman is prettier | 12:39 |
| BUGabundo | asac: it failsto connect, and shows "disconecting" | 12:39 |
| asac | yeah | 12:39 |
| asac | so its not much better ;) | 12:39 |
| BUGabundo | let me bond again | 12:40 |
| e-jat | prettier ? | 12:40 |
| asac | yeah | 12:40 |
| e-jat | cool . | 12:40 |
| BUGabundo | ahh right... I remember there's a bug here | 12:40 |
| asac | more beautiful ;) | 12:40 |
| BUGabundo | I set it to use MANUAL pin | 12:40 |
| BUGabundo | and it generates one | 12:40 |
| e-jat | let me relogin into gnome .. then i can try it .. | 12:40 |
| e-jat | brb | 12:40 |
| BUGabundo | humm asac Seatch is not finding anyting now! | 12:41 |
| BUGabundo | ok enough of this | 12:42 |
| asac | BUGabundo: in gnome-bluetooth? | 12:42 |
| asac | haha | 12:42 |
| BUGabundo | asac: yeah | 12:42 |
| BUGabundo | hey ikonia | 12:42 |
| ikonia | hello there | 12:42 |
| BUGabundo | asac: purging and testing next one | 12:42 |
| BUGabundo | ikonia: what brings you by? | 12:42 |
| asac | BUGabundo: thought you already try gnome-bluetooth | 12:42 |
| asac | what is next? | 12:42 |
| BUGabundo | bluez? | 12:42 |
| ikonia | BUGabundo: information seeking | 12:42 |
| BUGabundo | ikonia: 42! | 12:43 |
| ikonia | thank you | 12:43 |
| ikonia | problem solved | 12:43 |
| BUGabundo | ahahh | 12:43 |
| BUGabundo | asac: humm have to go | 12:44 |
| BUGabundo | time to feed the grampa | 12:44 |
| BUGabundo | ping me latter to test bluez | 12:44 |
| e-jat | BUGabundo: k .. | 12:44 |
| e-jat | trying the blueman now .. | 12:44 |
| e-jat | installing it .. wish me luck :) | 12:44 |
| BUGabundo | e-jat: remove all others before | 12:44 |
| asac | e-jat: you need to re-login again after install | 12:45 |
| BUGabundo | and you may need to reboot | 12:45 |
| BUGabundo | I'm off | 12:45 |
| e-jat | which one ? | 12:45 |
| BUGabundo | ALL | 12:45 |
| e-jat | reboot too ? | 12:45 |
| e-jat | cannot relogin ? | 12:45 |
| e-jat | asac: or i shall remove gnome-bluetooth only ? | 12:46 |
| asac | huh? | 12:51 |
| asac | e-jat: huh? | 12:55 |
| asac | ;) | 12:55 |
| asac | whats the problem? | 12:55 |
| e-jat | just reconnect :) | 12:55 |
| e-jat | still dloading the blueman dependecies .. | 12:55 |
| e-jat | i mean .. what should i remove .. | 12:56 |
| e-jat | is it enough just removing gnome-bluetooth ? | 12:56 |
| e-jat | then relogin ? | 12:56 |
| asac | e-jat: gnome-bluetooth gets automatically removed if you install blueman. so install blueman and then re-login | 12:57 |
| asac | thats enough usually | 12:57 |
| e-jat | yeah .. it remove auto | 12:57 |
| e-jat | im wondering kbluetooth4 can do like blueman can do :) | 13:01 |
| eagles0513875 | asac | 13:01 |
| eagles0513875 | drivers for b43-fwcutter they pulling the same version on jaunty and karmic the regression is in the network manager | 13:02 |
| eagles0513875 | will continue working to fix this later | 13:02 |
| e-jat | asac: blueman r0x | 13:08 |
| e-jat | sure i will vote for blueman :) | 13:08 |
| e-jat | work flawlessly with wm6.1 | 13:09 |
| asac | ejat: wm6.1? | 13:16 |
| asac | windows mobile? | 13:16 |
| BUGabundo | back | 13:35 |
| BUGabundo | asac: retested gnome-bt after a reboot | 13:35 |
| BUGabundo | seems there where some popunders blocking it | 13:35 |
| BUGabundo | popunder are as evil as popups (that steal your focus) | 13:36 |
| BUGabundo | but I sill fail to get it to conect to my phone | 13:36 |
| BUGabundo | there's 'bluetooth' package, but it doesn't bundle an applet | 13:36 |
| BUGabundo | asac: http://paste.ubuntu.com/210331/ | 13:37 |
| BUGabundo | traces from gnome-bt | 13:37 |
| asac | yeah | 13:41 |
| asac | thanks | 13:41 |
| asac | i have to talk to gnome-bluetooth folks really | 13:42 |
| asac | blueman is for now the better | 13:42 |
| BUGabundo | asac: so its up to one of those too? | 13:43 |
| BUGabundo | so whats 'bluetooth' package | 13:44 |
| BUGabundo | s/too/two/ | 13:45 |
| eagles0513875 | asac: is there newere plasma widget for nm floating around in a ppa | 13:56 |
| asac | eagles0513875: i dont care much about kde | 13:58 |
| asac | (unfortunately dont have the time) | 13:58 |
| eagles0513875 | ok | 13:58 |
| asac | they usually lack behind | 13:58 |
| asac | best is to run nm-applet i would think | 13:58 |
| asac | eagles0513875: you can see ppas that provide builds of a package on the main page now | 13:59 |
| eagles0513875 | didnt know that :) | 13:59 |
| eagles0513875 | thanks for the heads up | 13:59 |
| asac | https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager | 13:59 |
| asac | Other versions of 'network-manager' in untrusted archives. | 13:59 |
| asac | https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-widget-network-manager | 14:00 |
| asac | but doesnt look like | 14:00 |
| asac | karmic seems to be pretty fresh | 14:00 |
| eagles0513875 | hummm ok | 14:00 |
| eagles0513875 | might have to pull from svn trunk the nm | 14:01 |
| asac | eagles0513875: try that | 14:01 |
| eagles0513875 | ill wry about that later | 14:01 |
| asac | if its better let me know | 14:01 |
| eagles0513875 | ok | 14:01 |
| asac | i can poke some people to update it then | 14:01 |
| * BUGabundo means kubuntu ninjas :) | 14:03 | |
| e-jat | BUGabundo: blueman r0x :) | 14:05 |
| e-jat | no more cli needed | 14:05 |
| e-jat | huhu | 14:05 |
| BUGabundo | LOLOL | 14:05 |
| BUGabundo | I'm still waiting for asac to enlainthmen me | 14:06 |
| asac | e-jat: so pan works? | 14:06 |
| BUGabundo | so whats 'bluetooth' package | 14:06 |
| asac | sorry i have to run .... enjoying sunday afternoon | 14:06 |
| asac | bb in the evening | 14:06 |
| e-jat | asac: yeah | 14:06 |
| e-jat | ok asac me too gtg .. | 14:06 |
| asac | e-jat: what did you push? does it work through NM? | 14:06 |
| asac | or directly from blueman? | 14:06 |
| BUGabundo | leaving me alone ? : ( | 14:06 |
| asac | yeah ;) | 14:06 |
| asac | BUGabundo: you could do some bug triage ;) | 14:07 |
| e-jat | asac: direct from blueman | 14:07 |
| BUGabundo | :) | 14:07 |
| asac | e-jat: ok. can you make screenshots of how you did it? | 14:07 |
| e-jat | network access point | 14:07 |
| asac | i am trying to get some kind of post up on what you can do with blueman | 14:07 |
| asac | like screenshots for a few use cases | 14:07 |
| e-jat | im uploading it .. | 14:10 |
| e-jat | asac: http://imagebin.ca/view/3i6T4Pol.html | 14:13 |
| BUGabundo | asac: gnome-phone-manager depends on gnome-bt huauahauahauhauahauaahauh | 14:14 |
| BUGabundo | I miss it to send sms's (when ever it works) | 14:14 |
| e-jat | then .. from ICS use bluetooth pan | 14:15 |
| e-jat | sorry .. change back to my default session :) | 14:23 |
| e-jat | asac: u got the screenshot right ? | 14:24 |
| BUGabundo | e-jat: he is no longer here | 14:24 |
| e-jat | :( k .. | 14:24 |
| BUGabundo | e-jat: He _will be back_ | 14:26 |
| e-jat | im also gtg .. | 14:26 |
| e-jat | BUGabundo: u receive the screenshot url right? | 14:27 |
| * BUGabundo checking | 14:27 | |
| BUGabundo | yep | 14:27 |
| BUGabundo | its there | 14:27 |
| e-jat | [Sun Jul 5 2009] [21:13:57] <e-jat> asac: http://imagebin.ca/view/3i6T4Pol.html | 14:27 |
| e-jat | c00l .. now no more cli for me @ n00b | 14:27 |
| fta | asac, https://edge.launchpad.net/~huangjiahua/+archive/hiweed-pkg ? | 18:49 |
| BUGabundo | lol | 18:49 |
| BUGabundo | more copies? | 18:50 |
| BUGabundo | or ppl complying from mozilla source? | 18:50 |
| fta | it's obviously a fork from our packages | 18:58 |
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| asac | already saw the pango build | 21:37 |
| asac | not sure whats that about | 21:37 |
| fta | tb3 still broken, you really need to receive the logs again | 21:39 |
| asac | yeah | 21:39 |
| fta | firefox-3.5 10425 0.91% 1458 2770 6185 12 | 21:53 |
| fta | chromium-browser 6973 0.61% 503 2784 3685 1 | 21:53 |
| BUGabundo | hey fta | 21:54 |
| BUGabundo | is there a way for me to keep 3.6 from daily but 3.5 from archive? | 21:54 |
| fta | BUGabundo, http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-apt-get.en.html#s-pin | 21:57 |
| BUGabundo | right I know about pining | 21:58 |
| BUGabundo | but that won't allow it to be upgraded either | 21:58 |
| fta | it will, pin on origin | 22:04 |
| BUGabundo | ahhhh | 22:04 |
| BUGabundo | that's what I want then | 22:04 |
| fta | BUGabundo, did it work? | 23:15 |
| BUGabundo | still reading | 23:15 |
| BUGabundo | too much for me | 23:15 |
| BUGabundo | :) | 23:16 |
| BUGabundo | An example: Package: * Pin: release v=2.2*,a=stable,c=main,o=Debian,l=Debian Pin-Priority: 1001 | 23:16 |
| fta | Package: * | 23:16 |
| fta | Pin: release o=LP-PPA-ubuntu-mozilla-daily | 23:16 |
| fta | Pin-Priority: 101 | 23:16 |
| fta | you'll need to downgrade 1st | 23:16 |
| BUGabundo | in this case package: firefox-3.5 | 23:18 |
| BUGabundo | and release o=universe | 23:18 |
| fta | didn't work for me, try | 23:18 |
| asac | libnl cache manager is really buggy. enough for today on that ;) | 23:31 |
| fta | asac, could you retry o3d please? | 23:36 |
| asac | fta: on 64-bit? | 23:41 |
| fta | both, if you can | 23:42 |
| asac | insalling on 64-bit | 23:43 |
| asac | wil check in 10 minutes or so when movin back inside | 23:44 |
| fta | what video card/chipset do you have? | 23:44 |
| asac | We are terribly sorry but it appears your graphics card is not able to run o3d. We are working on a solution. | 23:47 |
| asac | Click Here to go the O3D website | 23:47 |
| fta | intel? | 23:47 |
| asac | File name: npwrapper.libnpo3dautoplugin.so | 23:47 |
| asac | O3D Plugin version:0.1.40.0 | 23:47 |
| asac | no thats ati | 23:47 |
| asac | intel would probabl ywork;) | 23:47 |
| asac | 05:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc R580 [Radeon X1900 | 23:48 |
| asac | hmm. no registered suffixes | 23:48 |
| asac | for the plugin | 23:48 |
| fta | doesn't work on my GM965 | 23:48 |
| fta | registered suffixes? what is that? | 23:49 |
| asac | fta: check about:plugins | 23:49 |
| asac | there is an empty field | 23:49 |
| asac | suffixes means: "file extensions" | 23:49 |
| asac | like you want to handle .o3d files | 23:49 |
| fta | doesn't matter | 23:49 |
| asac | of course it doesnt matter | 23:49 |
| asac | if mime type is sent ;) | 23:49 |
| asac | i just wanted to point out that there is no suffix ;)= | 23:50 |
| asac | but besides from my graphics card suckin badly | 23:50 |
| asac | it seems to cause no problems | 23:50 |
| asac | ;) | 23:50 |
| micahg | asac: can you look at bug 395167 | 23:50 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 395167 in firefox-3.5 "[needs-packaging] make firefox-3.5 available in hardy" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/395167 | 23:50 |
| fta | i thing the o3d files are served as <object>s wrapped in javascript, or something like that | 23:52 |
| asac | micahg: i will think about what to best answer ;) | 23:53 |
| asac | ill reply tomorrow (so kick me if i forget ;)) | 23:53 |
| micahg | ok, I was thinking to move to hardy-backports before bdmurray added the tag | 23:53 |
| asac | yeah. needs-packaging sounds wrong | 23:54 |
| asac | if you wanted to discuss the tag, then yeah. its backports rather | 23:54 |
| micahg | maybe I should ask him | 23:54 |
| asac | otoh, it seems the user wants it in hardy-updates or something | 23:54 |
| asac | which is definitly won't fix | 23:54 |
| asac | however, i want to provide hardy users with a good location besides from -backports which some users find too risky | 23:55 |
| micahg | well, the problem is that it's a new package for hardy | 23:55 |
| micahg | but couldn't the security ppa do it? | 23:55 |
| asac | the security ppa is not a place to put something you dont no where to put | 23:56 |
| asac | its a strict staging area for what will go in the releases | 23:56 |
| micahg | well, everyone else is getting updates there | 23:56 |
| asac | (usually into -security) | 23:56 |
| asac | micahg: they get it there because we stage firefox-3.5 there | 23:56 |
| micahg | can we have a generic ppa for mozilla? | 23:56 |
| asac | we have firefox-3.5 in jaunty | 23:56 |
| micahg | tue | 23:56 |
| micahg | true | 23:56 |
| asac | now we want to roll and update... so we put it into security ppa | 23:56 |
| asac | micahg: we can. but we alreawd have a bunch and we are currently undergoing some thinking about how to best organize all the PPAs we require ;) | 23:57 |
| micahg | see if backports provides the initial package, then the security ppa can provide updates, no? | 23:57 |
| asac | no | 23:57 |
| asac | -backports is not part of the release | 23:57 |
| asac | -security ppa is strictly for updates that will eventually end up in -security | 23:57 |
| asac | this time its a bit of an exception, because security team said we should push the build through -proposed | 23:58 |
| asac | but it was intended for -security ;) | 23:58 |
| micahg | ok | 23:58 |
| asac | micahg: we have -daily currently. we wanted to add -milestones ... and maybe -backports/-releases | 23:58 |
| asac | ppa | 23:58 |
| micahg | maybe it would be better to just have them all under the ~ubuntu-mozilla team? | 23:59 |
| micahg | instead of a separate team for eacg | 23:59 |
| micahg | each | 23:59 |
| asac | yeah thats one of the points | 23:59 |
| asac | the separte team approach was started when there was no ability to setup more than one ppa | 23:59 |
| asac | for a team | 23:59 |
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