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macoguys, i'm trying to debug a crash...and well, now i cant get it to crash properly.  it just whines that drkonqi can't be found then hangs instead of spitting out a core dump (and yes, I did run ulimit -c 0 already)00:55
ryanakcamaco: Can you use gdb to get the backtrace? http://wiki.kubuntu.org/Backtrace iirc.01:31
macoryanakca, i'm trying to run "gdb krecipes" and then type "run" and it just gives me the same Could not find 'drkonqi' executable.01:32
macoKCrash cannot reach kdeinit, launching directly.01:32
ryanakcamaco: ah, jaunty or karmic?01:33
macoryanakca, i'm on karmic, but this app crashes on execute in intrepid & jaunty as well01:33
ryanakcamaco: do you have kdebase-runtime and kdebase-runtime-dbg installed?01:34
macoryanakca, aye01:34
ryanakcamaco: Hmm... dunno. can which find it?01:35
macoryanakca, no01:35
macodrkonqi you mean, right?01:35
ryanakcayes01:35
macoyeah, which doesnt find it01:35
ryanakcamaybe: sudo ln -s /usr/lib/kde4/libexec/drkonqi /usr/bin/01:36
ryanakcathen try again01:36
macoyay drkonqi works again01:38
ryanakcamaco: Can you get a backtrace now?01:38
macoryanakca, yep, drkonqi's showing it. thanks01:38
ryanakcaEnjoy :)01:38
macoryanakca, how does one become a ~kubuntu-member?01:47
ryanakcamaco: Make a "significant" contribution (really, just help out with Kubuntu stuff for a few months), then apply, get asked a few questions at a meeting, and then hopefully you get voted in. It's all up on the wiki somewheres, just a sec01:53
ryanakcamaco: https://wiki.kubuntu.org01:54
macook01:54
ryanakcaoops, https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Membership01:54
macothat makes more sense ;)01:54
ryanakca:)01:56
ryanakcanixternal: [offtopic] What do you think of http://fisherbikes.com/bike/model/advance ?01:56
macoryanakca, thats the ~ubuntu-member page...02:02
macoand i had no idea about that SixXS thing02:02
nhandlermaco: For Kubuntu Membership, take a look at https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Meetings02:05
ryanakcamaco: On the page it says that the Kubuntu Council takes care of our membership02:06
nhandlerThat is correct. However, elections are currently going on for the Kubuntu Council. We also don't have a data for the next meeting, so it might be a while before your request gets processed02:07
macoit also says the MOTU Council can do it02:07
nhandlermaco: Where does it say the MC grants Kubuntu membershpi?02:07
nhandler* membership02:07
macohttps://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Membership02:07
macoThe regular way to apply for membership is to provide your information on the Kubuntu Meetings page. Alternatively some Ubuntu teams can grant membership directly through their governance council. Examples are the Regional Boards, the Edubuntu Council, and the MOTU Council.02:08
ryanakcamaco: Probably poorly formulated to mean that the MOTU Council can grant membership to MOTU02:08
macoi thought MOTU automatically became Ubuntu Members?02:08
nhandlerThat is correct02:09
ryanakcaAh02:09
nhandlerBut the MC can make people Ubuntu Contributing Developers as well02:09
nhandlerThose are pretty much the same as normal ubuntumembers02:09
nhandlerHowever, the MC can't make someone a Kubuntu Member02:09
macowell then that page is rather misleading02:09
nhandlermaco: Not really, because that quote is really on https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Membership02:10
macoright....copy pasta that wasn't fully editted?02:10
nhandlerWait, nm02:10
nhandlerThat Kubuntu Membership page probably shouldn't exist at all02:11
macobut there is a separate ~kubuntu-members group from ~ubuntu-members02:11
nhandlerCorrect maco02:11
macoso that means you have to apply to them individually, doesnt it?02:11
macowiki.kubuntu.org and wiki.ubuntu.com are the same content with a different theme...thats why i was looking at Kubuntu/Membership02:12
nhandlerKubuntu/Membership should probably redirect to the Ubuntu membership wiki02:12
nhandlerAnd ~kubuntu-members is part of ~ubuntumembers02:12
macoah02:13
ryanakcamaco: imho, Kubuntu members is to make the Kubuntu people feel special. It also help for those who stick exclusively to KDE stuff... if they went to apply on the Ubuntu side, they might not get recognized...02:14
nhandlerRiddell: Do you should it would make sense to have https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Membership redirect to https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Membership, and then update the second page to mention how to gain Kubuntu Membership?02:14
nhandlerryanakca: Kubuntu Membership also grants certain additional benefits02:14
ryanakcanhandler: iirc, he's on vacation for a week and a bit, might as well02:14
macoi thought that was jon02:14
ryanakcanhandler: such as pretty kubuntu.org aliases instead of icky ubuntu.com ones :)02:15
nhandlerryanakca: You also get access to the Kubuntu bzr branches and PPAs02:15
nhandler(or at least some of them)02:15
ryanakcamaco: Ah, I just saw that a jon was away earlier... Jonathan, Johnathan, I get confused :)02:16
ryanakcaor no, both are Jonathan. *sigh*02:16
macooh! haha jontheechidna02:16
macoi forgot riddell's first name :P02:16
nhandlerAny more questions about Kubuntu Membership?02:17
voriandon't forget jjesse too02:17
vorian3 jon's02:17
* maco resists urge to whip out Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets at the mention of Riddell02:17
* ryanakca wonders why the Debian Python Apps people can have packaging in their SVN more recent than what upstream has on their site... makes it difficult for others to update that package.02:17
macovorian, oh dear02:17
ryanakcaHeh :)02:18
macook my dis-knowledge of C++ is shooting me in the foot02:18
voriandis-knowledge;02:18
macois "result = db->executeQuery( query );" like "result = db.executeQuery(query)" in Java?02:19
maco(in other news, i would really really really like to know how upstream released a version that *doesn't launch*)02:20
nhandlervorian: Do you think that wiki redirect would be fine?02:21
vorianwhich one?02:22
ryanakcamaco: Try downloading upstream's tarball, compiling yourself and seeing if it'll launch, probably a packaging bug02:22
nhandlervorian: Scroll up a little02:22
vorianhmm02:23
voriani think it's fine02:23
vorianwhat app is bugging?02:24
nhandlerI'll talk to Riddell, and if he ACK's it, I will go ahead and make the change02:24
ryanakcavorian: krecipes I think...02:25
vorianthere is a new upstream release02:26
vorianand the package needs a watch file02:27
vorianmaco: ^02:27
macooh, lemme look02:27
vorianhttp://krecipes.sourceforge.net/?p=down02:28
ryanakcavorian: It needs a merge/sync from Debian02:31
vorianah, indeed02:32
vorianalthough we should see about porting it or getting rid of it02:34
nixternalryanakca: Gary Fisher is da Man! They are made by Trek now, so you are getting a really good bike. I wouldn't mind a Gary Fisher 29er MTB, single speed, with disc brakes02:57
txwikingerDo we have Qt 4.5.2 for jaunty?03:57
macovorian, updating it doesnt help the fact that it doesnt work at all on jaunty...04:02
macoi wonder if it works in hardy04:02
vorianit should, seeing as it has mucho 3.5 libs and stuff04:02
vorianit prolly just needs to be removed from the archives04:02
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e-jatbug 39497508:33
ubottuLaunchpad bug 394975 in kopete-facebook "signal: Segmentation fault" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/39497508:33
e-jatanyone looking into it ?08:33
smarteryay, no more exams :)09:08
* smarter might be able to finally do some Kubuntu stuff09:08
jussi01smarter: ooh, that must feel good09:13
smarteryay09:13
smarternow, how am I going to do KDE integration for Arora using qmake? :p09:14
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Riddell~twitter update running between three rooms controlling three videos. GNOMEs need to volunteer if they don't want badly cut videos12:17
kubotustatus updated12:17
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macoi figured out why i thought knotify was broken.  all notifications show up *only* on workspace 915:13
DaskreeCH9?15:16
macoDaskreeCH, yes15:39
macoi have 9 workspaces, and knotify popups only show on #915:39
DaskreeCHhow do you switch through them?15:39
macohold down super and press 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8, or 915:40
macoor click on them on the panel's workspace switcher15:40
rgreeningryanakca: want to test and package this? http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Facebook?content=10675215:47
rgreeningRiddell: this may be good for social networking for Karmic... ^15:48
ryanakcargreening: I'm currently at work, send me an email and I'll take a look at it when I get back :)16:06
Riddellrgreening: nice, packages please :)17:29
rgreeningRiddell: I asked ryanakca to package, and I'll review it17:29
Riddellgroovy17:29
kubuHI, pals. I came to read a post about kubuntu tutorials. I wonder if some one could tell me how is the process done and when will be the next schedule. Thakyou for all.17:31
Riddellkubu: we do a tutorials day every 6 months or year, last one was last week logs are here https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuTutorialsDay17:32
hsitterRiddell: ping17:33
Riddellhi hsitter17:33
hsitterhola!17:33
hsitterRiddell: can you please introduce rickspencer3 to kevin krammer?17:33
hsitteror vice versa, doesn't really matter ;)17:33
Riddelloh that's who it is17:33
Riddellsure17:33
hsitterRiddell: thanks a lot :)17:33
kubuthakyou Riddell, i think i am not lucky to participate the passed tutorial. Hope will join you around December or so. Thakyou again.17:36
rickspencer3hi hsitter17:39
rickspencer3I thought you were "apachelogger"17:39
hsitterrickspencer3: hola!17:40
* hsitter did a nick change :D17:40
e-jatdid someone know how to disable facebook plugin in kopete? since this bug 394975 hasnt fix yet :(17:47
ubottuLaunchpad bug 394975 in kopete-facebook "signal: Segmentation fault" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/39497517:47
e-jator just remove the kopete profile?17:48
* hsitter needs to flash his magic with hero17:49
nixternalraphink: you planning on watching any of the tour in person?17:52
* rickspencer3 sends hsitter a stack of 'change of address' cards17:53
hsitterSput: quassel should allow me to be online with different nicks in exactly the same channels ;-)17:55
neversfeldehsitter: this is the download url for bilbo http://mirror.umoss.org/download.ospdev.net/bilbo/bilbo/0.9.951.0Beta1/bilbo-0.9.95.tar.gz17:55
neversfeldeI really do not know how to make it watchable17:55
hsitterhm17:56
hsitterneversfelde: if you flash my magic, then I will make that url watchable17:56
neversfeldehehe17:57
neversfeldecookies must be enough17:57
hsitterno go17:58
hsitterI want a fancier interface than plain android17:58
neversfeldeEne mene miste, es rappelt in der Kisteā€¦17:59
nixternalNINJAS!18:05
hsitterwhere?18:07
nixternalin your pocket18:09
nixternalsee, you didn't even know they were there18:10
nixternalI am in love with Kubuntu on the mini 10v18:10
nixternalmy big ol' mits aren't having any problems on the keyboard either, but that damn touchpad can get in the way18:10
hsitterso I suppose we need touchfreeze for netbooks?18:11
ScottKHmmm.  Maybe as an option?18:11
nixternalmost definitely18:11
nixternalhsitter: you work with marco martin at all? seems he may be the one leading the plasma-mid dev stuff18:13
hsitternixternal: not yet18:13
nixternalmaybe we should work a bit upstream and see what we can get going18:13
hsitternixternal: that was my plan18:13
nixternalthough it seems dev on it is a bit slow, but i have to remember that gcds is going on right now18:13
nixternalhsitter: groovy18:13
nixternalhsitter: #kubuntu-netbook silly18:13
nixternalrickspencer3: if you are following/interested in kubuntu netbook edition dev stuff, #kubuntu-netbook :)18:14
nixternalok, gonna chill and have some lunch and let this little bugger charge back up...bbiab18:15
hsitternixternal: yet another channel :P18:16
rickspencer3cool18:16
hsitteroh dear18:26
hsitterthe hero rom is 85 MiB in size :S18:26
dpmhsitter: thanks (yet again) for the introductory e-mail to kde-i18n-doc18:47
dpmand sorry that you've had to take the first flames already18:47
dpmI definitely owe you a beer18:47
dpmor two :-)18:47
dpmthe important thing is that Kubuntu translations are going to rock in Karmic18:49
ScottKdpm: That is.  It will be a very welcome change.  No one has ever asked what they could do to help before (that I recall).18:53
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dpmScottK: yes, I'm very excited about the outcome.18:56
ScottKdpm: I think if we can execute well in Karmic, the chances are good we can convince people to come back to translating Kubuntu for Karmic +1.18:58
dpmScottK: yes, that's a good point, if we do that well, this will only be the start19:05
dpmand a good aim as well19:05
ScottKdpm: Agreed, but we need to show some actual improvments in a release before people will be open to giving it another try.  I think it's also important not to push people to come back before it's a credible suggestion.19:06
dpmYes of course, I do keep that in mind, and I do think that's an important point you already made on our UDS session19:08
ScottKOK.  I'd hate to see good work spoiled by trying to push to fast.19:10
macoshould i start studying spanish/japanese again?19:10
dpmmaco: oh yes, please :)19:10
dpmScottK: I agree with you, we need some results first19:11
rgreeningand I, w/ my bad portuguese (filtered through my fluent wife first though)19:11
dpmI've recently come across https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo Do you guys think it would make sense to add the work we're currently doing on sorting out the translation templates there?19:11
ScottKdpm: I think so.  Please feel free to add it.19:13
dpmok, I'll do19:15
Mamarokhm, I got a dependency problem agaoin with 4.2.95:20:11
Mamarokkde-devel: Depends: kde-core (>= 5:50ubuntu1~jaunty1~ppa1) but 5:48ubuntu2~jaunty1~ppa1 is installed.20:11
jussi01mrgh, stupid kde upgrade restarting my x... forgot that happened20:40
Riddellnixternal: this one's for you baby http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/401021:07
nixternalyay hot tubs!!!21:09
nhandlerRiddell: Do you should it would make sense to have https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Membership redirect tohttps://wiki.kubuntu.org/Membership, and then update the second page to mention how to gain Kubuntu Membership?21:09
nixternalwe seriously need to add "Not affraid of hot tubs at conferences" as a prerequisite for contributing to Kubuntu21:10
nixternalnhandler: what did you say? do you, should it, would make21:10
Riddellnixternal: yeah can do21:10
nixternalyou lost me :p21:10
nixternalnhandler: no redirecting (yet?)21:11
nixternalwe (I and all of you) need to come up with a solid wiki presence21:11
nhandlernixternal: Yeah, that copy/paste from yesterday got messed up21:11
nixternalI would like all of our stuff under /Kubuntu/21:11
nixternalbut people keep doing /KubuntuFooBarIsBah and not /Kubuntu/FooBarIsBah/21:12
nhandlerBut does it make sense to have a Membership page for Kubuntu that for the most part is identical to the Ubuntu one?21:12
nixternalya, it needs to be changed...it was thrown in there as filler iirc21:12
nhandlerI think it would make the most sense to have one Membership wiki page, and then have Kubuntu/Membership redirect to it21:12
nixternalthere are a lot of pages that borrow from the ubuntu ones for filler21:12
neversfeldecan we publish and improve this somewhere: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/ChristianMangold/UsingKubuntuPPAs21:14
neversfeldemany useres are very confused about the short news on kubuntu.org and need help with adding e.g. the backport ppa21:14
nixternalhrmm, ya we should have it documented somewhere it seems21:16
nixternalI would like to have /Kubuntu as the root wiki page with stuff like: Development, Contribute, and what not under neath21:17
nixternalmy head isn't in it right now and I am drawing blanks21:17
macomy brother just called because update manager gave him an error (really a warning, it says "w:") he starts reading it to me, gets halfway through the archive.ubuntu.com/... URL and goes "wait, do i have to be online to get updates?"21:17
nixternalI am watching the tour de france, and looking forward to a really long and fast paced ride in 2 hours :)21:17
nixternalmaco: hahaha, classic!21:18
nixternalOH!!!21:18
nixternalMy dad is going to use Ubuntu!21:18
nixternalwell, Kubuntu21:18
nixternalhe is going to get a Dell Mini 10v for the craft shows he does21:18
nixternalthough he says Koolbuntu and not Kubuntu, but this is a first21:18
nixternalhe is a windows lover, big time...you diss it, it is like you just slapped his mother21:19
nixternalit has taken me 15 years to make him look at Linux, and finally I have succeeded!21:19
neversfeldecongratulations21:19
macodid you pull the "daddy, aren't you proud of what i work on? don't you want to see what i've been doing?"21:19
neversfeldemy mother uses vista, because she likes the firefox21:19
neversfelde:/21:19
maconeversfelde, the big back button?21:20
nixternalmy mom on the other hand, I have to break her of her love of AOL...she uses the cheap stuff now but has had AOL for about 13 years and doesn't get the idea of switching email is easier than she thinks21:20
nixternalI had her on Kubuntu for about 15 minutes...once she found out no AOL she cussed me out :D21:20
neversfeldemaco: my mother does not use any other things than her 3 favourite bookmarks21:21
nixternalneversfelde: same with my mom, aol and yahoo games, aol for email21:21
nixternalthat's it21:21
neversfeldeHEHE21:21
neversfeldesorry21:21
nixternalya, you didn't have to yell that little chuckle :p21:22
neversfeldethe perfect Linux user21:22
nixternalya, aol is the only killer21:22
* a|wen waves21:28
nixternalstop waving and start working :)21:29
neversfeldewb a|wen21:30
a|wentrying to catch up on things first of all, he ... hi nixternal and neversfelde :)21:31
nixternalhowdy a|wen21:31
a|wenis karmic usable enough to consider upgrading soon ... or still a lot of flux?21:32
neversfeldeI think it is very stable atm21:33
nixternalI have been using Karmic on all of my machines...on Ubuntu their new GDM is straight garbage, on Kubuntu everything is great21:33
nixternalwith the mini 10v I have to add 'nomodeset' to the kernel line in grub21:34
neversfeldeI had some problems with grub 1.96, but nothing which you can't repair21:34
a|wencool... i have my eee that i need to get into the testing play as well soon21:34
neversfeldea super grub disk is not so bad to have :)21:35
a|wenand as it is summer holiday now it is okay to have your machine break for a day or two21:35
neversfelde:)21:35
macohavent had any major issues21:37
macowatch out during gdm/kdm upgrades since they'll restart X... and um, if you use openvpn, use karmic's 2.6.30 not 2.6.3121:37
a|wenwasn't it only gdm that had the restarting issue?21:38
neversfeldeyay, ksshaskpass in jaunty backports21:38
macoa|wen, kdm did it to me twice21:40
macoi was very confused21:40
macowell, it didnt really restart...just stop21:40
macodtchen says that with gdm it restarted but the new instance was on a different VT so it'd *look* stopped...im not sure if it was the same thing21:40
nixternaloh man, I am watching this show on Versus that just made me about throw up21:41
a|wendoesn't sound nice i'd say ... oh well; upgrade from a vt and save your work before doing it :)21:41
nixternalholy shite21:42
* nixternal changes channel21:42
* a|wen doesn't really watch tv even though it is turned on21:42
nixternali just happened to look up, this young skateboarder breaks his wrist and it is nasty, then a month or so later he breaks his ankle and his foot was twisted 180 degrees21:43
neversfeldeI can't find the page with the standard answers for bug triage. Does someone know whre I can find it?21:43
a|wenneversfelde: two secs21:44
neversfeldeyou get 4 if you want :)21:44
nixternalneversfelde: that's where greasemonkey and firefox is a proven winner :)21:44
a|wenneversfelde: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Responses21:44
neversfeldethank you21:44
a|weneven though it was 36 secs ;)21:44
neversfeldemhhh :)21:45
a|wentime to update some pbuilder-chroots...21:48
* ScottK waves to a|wen22:25
a|wenhi ScottK!22:25
* ScottK was starting to wonder maybe you weren't coming back ...22:25
a|wenno no ... just started directly on a three week intensive course at university 24 hours after arriving back in DK, so not much time for other stuff22:26
ScottKAh.  Well welcome home then.22:27
a|wenthx :)22:27
ScottKa|wen: One question I've been holding for you: Do you know if https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/339313 is fixed in the NM Plasmoid upload SRU that's (still) pending?22:30
ubottuUbuntu bug 339313 in ubuntu-release-notes "Kubuntu Jaunty: Cannot Connect To Wireless Network with WEP shared key" [Undecided,Fix released]22:30
a|wenlooks like it got through to updates ... or do we have yet another update pending?22:31
ScottKThen I guess it got out.22:32
a|wenafaik there was some fixes for wep as well, so it most likely is fixed as well22:33
a|wenreading thorugh the bug it looks like it was fixed (but deleting the wireless network might be needed, as with hidden networks)22:34
a|wenhow are the specs coming along? do we have any summary page to have an idea of what we are supposed to be doing?22:38
ScottKa|wen: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo22:40
ScottKWe still need people to work on stuff.22:40
a|wenlooks pretty good, we are starting to get some green on the page... but we are in serious need of some artwork gurus it looks22:45

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