[00:55] <maco> guys, i'm trying to debug a crash...and well, now i cant get it to crash properly.  it just whines that drkonqi can't be found then hangs instead of spitting out a core dump (and yes, I did run ulimit -c 0 already)
[01:31] <ryanakca> maco: Can you use gdb to get the backtrace? http://wiki.kubuntu.org/Backtrace iirc.
[01:32] <maco> ryanakca, i'm trying to run "gdb krecipes" and then type "run" and it just gives me the same Could not find 'drkonqi' executable.
[01:32] <maco> KCrash cannot reach kdeinit, launching directly.
[01:33] <ryanakca> maco: ah, jaunty or karmic?
[01:33] <maco> ryanakca, i'm on karmic, but this app crashes on execute in intrepid & jaunty as well
[01:34] <ryanakca> maco: do you have kdebase-runtime and kdebase-runtime-dbg installed?
[01:34] <maco> ryanakca, aye
[01:35] <ryanakca> maco: Hmm... dunno. can which find it?
[01:35] <maco> ryanakca, no
[01:35] <maco> drkonqi you mean, right?
[01:35] <ryanakca> yes
[01:35] <maco> yeah, which doesnt find it
[01:36] <ryanakca> maybe: sudo ln -s /usr/lib/kde4/libexec/drkonqi /usr/bin/
[01:36] <ryanakca> then try again
[01:38] <maco> yay drkonqi works again
[01:38] <ryanakca> maco: Can you get a backtrace now?
[01:38] <maco> ryanakca, yep, drkonqi's showing it. thanks
[01:38] <ryanakca> Enjoy :)
[01:47] <maco> ryanakca, how does one become a ~kubuntu-member?
[01:53] <ryanakca> maco: Make a "significant" contribution (really, just help out with Kubuntu stuff for a few months), then apply, get asked a few questions at a meeting, and then hopefully you get voted in. It's all up on the wiki somewheres, just a sec
[01:54] <ryanakca> maco: https://wiki.kubuntu.org
[01:54] <maco> ok
[01:54] <ryanakca> oops, https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Membership
[01:54] <maco> that makes more sense ;)
[01:56] <ryanakca> :)
[01:56] <ryanakca> nixternal: [offtopic] What do you think of http://fisherbikes.com/bike/model/advance ?
[02:02] <maco> ryanakca, thats the ~ubuntu-member page...
[02:02] <maco> and i had no idea about that SixXS thing
[02:05] <nhandler> maco: For Kubuntu Membership, take a look at https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Meetings
[02:06] <ryanakca> maco: On the page it says that the Kubuntu Council takes care of our membership
[02:07] <nhandler> That is correct. However, elections are currently going on for the Kubuntu Council. We also don't have a data for the next meeting, so it might be a while before your request gets processed
[02:07] <maco> it also says the MOTU Council can do it
[02:07] <nhandler> maco: Where does it say the MC grants Kubuntu membershpi?
[02:07] <nhandler> * membership
[02:07] <maco> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Membership
[02:08] <maco> The regular way to apply for membership is to provide your information on the Kubuntu Meetings page. Alternatively some Ubuntu teams can grant membership directly through their governance council. Examples are the Regional Boards, the Edubuntu Council, and the MOTU Council.
[02:08] <ryanakca> maco: Probably poorly formulated to mean that the MOTU Council can grant membership to MOTU
[02:08] <maco> i thought MOTU automatically became Ubuntu Members?
[02:09] <nhandler> That is correct
[02:09] <ryanakca> Ah
[02:09] <nhandler> But the MC can make people Ubuntu Contributing Developers as well
[02:09] <nhandler> Those are pretty much the same as normal ubuntumembers
[02:09] <nhandler> However, the MC can't make someone a Kubuntu Member
[02:09] <maco> well then that page is rather misleading
[02:10] <nhandler> maco: Not really, because that quote is really on https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Membership
[02:10] <maco> right....copy pasta that wasn't fully editted?
[02:10] <nhandler> Wait, nm
[02:11] <nhandler> That Kubuntu Membership page probably shouldn't exist at all
[02:11] <maco> but there is a separate ~kubuntu-members group from ~ubuntu-members
[02:11] <nhandler> Correct maco
[02:11] <maco> so that means you have to apply to them individually, doesnt it?
[02:12] <maco> wiki.kubuntu.org and wiki.ubuntu.com are the same content with a different theme...thats why i was looking at Kubuntu/Membership
[02:12] <nhandler> Kubuntu/Membership should probably redirect to the Ubuntu membership wiki
[02:12] <nhandler> And ~kubuntu-members is part of ~ubuntumembers
[02:13] <maco> ah
[02:14] <ryanakca> maco: imho, Kubuntu members is to make the Kubuntu people feel special. It also help for those who stick exclusively to KDE stuff... if they went to apply on the Ubuntu side, they might not get recognized...
[02:14] <nhandler> Riddell: Do you should it would make sense to have https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Membership redirect to https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Membership, and then update the second page to mention how to gain Kubuntu Membership?
[02:14] <nhandler> ryanakca: Kubuntu Membership also grants certain additional benefits
[02:14] <ryanakca> nhandler: iirc, he's on vacation for a week and a bit, might as well
[02:14] <maco> i thought that was jon
[02:15] <ryanakca> nhandler: such as pretty kubuntu.org aliases instead of icky ubuntu.com ones :)
[02:15] <nhandler> ryanakca: You also get access to the Kubuntu bzr branches and PPAs
[02:15] <nhandler> (or at least some of them)
[02:16] <ryanakca> maco: Ah, I just saw that a jon was away earlier... Jonathan, Johnathan, I get confused :)
[02:16] <ryanakca> or no, both are Jonathan. *sigh*
[02:16] <maco> oh! haha jontheechidna
[02:16] <maco> i forgot riddell's first name :P
[02:17] <nhandler> Any more questions about Kubuntu Membership?
[02:17] <vorian> don't forget jjesse too
[02:17] <vorian> 3 jon's
[02:17]  * maco resists urge to whip out Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets at the mention of Riddell
[02:17]  * ryanakca wonders why the Debian Python Apps people can have packaging in their SVN more recent than what upstream has on their site... makes it difficult for others to update that package.
[02:17] <maco> vorian, oh dear
[02:18] <ryanakca> Heh :)
[02:18] <maco> ok my dis-knowledge of C++ is shooting me in the foot
[02:18] <vorian> dis-knowledge;
[02:19] <maco> is "result = db->executeQuery( query );" like "result = db.executeQuery(query)" in Java?
[02:20] <maco> (in other news, i would really really really like to know how upstream released a version that *doesn't launch*)
[02:21] <nhandler> vorian: Do you think that wiki redirect would be fine?
[02:22] <vorian> which one?
[02:22] <ryanakca> maco: Try downloading upstream's tarball, compiling yourself and seeing if it'll launch, probably a packaging bug
[02:22] <nhandler> vorian: Scroll up a little
[02:23] <vorian> hmm
[02:23] <vorian> i think it's fine
[02:24] <vorian> what app is bugging?
[02:24] <nhandler> I'll talk to Riddell, and if he ACK's it, I will go ahead and make the change
[02:25] <ryanakca> vorian: krecipes I think...
[02:26] <vorian> there is a new upstream release
[02:27] <vorian> and the package needs a watch file
[02:27] <vorian> maco: ^
[02:27] <maco> oh, lemme look
[02:28] <vorian> http://krecipes.sourceforge.net/?p=down
[02:31] <ryanakca> vorian: It needs a merge/sync from Debian
[02:32] <vorian> ah, indeed
[02:34] <vorian> although we should see about porting it or getting rid of it
[02:57] <nixternal> ryanakca: Gary Fisher is da Man! They are made by Trek now, so you are getting a really good bike. I wouldn't mind a Gary Fisher 29er MTB, single speed, with disc brakes
[03:57] <txwikinger> Do we have Qt 4.5.2 for jaunty?
[04:02] <maco> vorian, updating it doesnt help the fact that it doesnt work at all on jaunty...
[04:02] <maco> i wonder if it works in hardy
[04:02] <vorian> it should, seeing as it has mucho 3.5 libs and stuff
[04:02] <vorian> it prolly just needs to be removed from the archives
[08:33] <e-jat> bug 394975
[08:33] <e-jat> anyone looking into it ?
[09:08] <smarter> yay, no more exams :)
[09:08]  * smarter might be able to finally do some Kubuntu stuff
[09:13] <jussi01> smarter: ooh, that must feel good
[09:13] <smarter> yay
[09:14] <smarter> now, how am I going to do KDE integration for Arora using qmake? :p
[12:17] <Riddell> ~twitter update running between three rooms controlling three videos. GNOMEs need to volunteer if they don't want badly cut videos
[12:17] <kubotu> status updated
[15:13] <maco> i figured out why i thought knotify was broken.  all notifications show up *only* on workspace 9
[15:16] <DaskreeCH> 9?
[15:39] <maco> DaskreeCH, yes
[15:39] <maco> i have 9 workspaces, and knotify popups only show on #9
[15:39] <DaskreeCH> how do you switch through them?
[15:40] <maco> hold down super and press 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8, or 9
[15:40] <maco> or click on them on the panel's workspace switcher
[15:47] <rgreening> ryanakca: want to test and package this? http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Facebook?content=106752
[15:48] <rgreening> Riddell: this may be good for social networking for Karmic... ^
[16:06] <ryanakca> rgreening: I'm currently at work, send me an email and I'll take a look at it when I get back :)
[17:29] <Riddell> rgreening: nice, packages please :)
[17:29] <rgreening> Riddell: I asked ryanakca to package, and I'll review it
[17:29] <Riddell> groovy
[17:31] <kubu> HI, pals. I came to read a post about kubuntu tutorials. I wonder if some one could tell me how is the process done and when will be the next schedule. Thakyou for all.
[17:32] <Riddell> kubu: we do a tutorials day every 6 months or year, last one was last week logs are here https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuTutorialsDay
[17:33] <hsitter> Riddell: ping
[17:33] <Riddell> hi hsitter
[17:33] <hsitter> hola!
[17:33] <hsitter> Riddell: can you please introduce rickspencer3 to kevin krammer?
[17:33] <hsitter> or vice versa, doesn't really matter ;)
[17:33] <Riddell> oh that's who it is
[17:33] <Riddell> sure
[17:33] <hsitter> Riddell: thanks a lot :)
[17:36] <kubu> thakyou Riddell, i think i am not lucky to participate the passed tutorial. Hope will join you around December or so. Thakyou again.
[17:39] <rickspencer3> hi hsitter
[17:39] <rickspencer3> I thought you were "apachelogger"
[17:40] <hsitter> rickspencer3: hola!
[17:40]  * hsitter did a nick change :D
[17:47] <e-jat> did someone know how to disable facebook plugin in kopete? since this bug 394975 hasnt fix yet :(
[17:48] <e-jat> or just remove the kopete profile?
[17:49]  * hsitter needs to flash his magic with hero
[17:52] <nixternal> raphink: you planning on watching any of the tour in person?
[17:53]  * rickspencer3 sends hsitter a stack of 'change of address' cards
[17:55] <hsitter> Sput: quassel should allow me to be online with different nicks in exactly the same channels ;-)
[17:55] <neversfelde> hsitter: this is the download url for bilbo http://mirror.umoss.org/download.ospdev.net/bilbo/bilbo/0.9.951.0Beta1/bilbo-0.9.95.tar.gz
[17:55] <neversfelde> I really do not know how to make it watchable
[17:56] <hsitter> hm
[17:56] <hsitter> neversfelde: if you flash my magic, then I will make that url watchable
[17:57] <neversfelde> hehe
[17:57] <neversfelde> cookies must be enough
[17:58] <hsitter> no go
[17:58] <hsitter> I want a fancier interface than plain android
[17:59] <neversfelde> Ene mene miste, es rappelt in der Kiste…
[18:05] <nixternal> NINJAS!
[18:07] <hsitter> where?
[18:09] <nixternal> in your pocket
[18:10] <nixternal> see, you didn't even know they were there
[18:10] <nixternal> I am in love with Kubuntu on the mini 10v
[18:10] <nixternal> my big ol' mits aren't having any problems on the keyboard either, but that damn touchpad can get in the way
[18:11] <hsitter> so I suppose we need touchfreeze for netbooks?
[18:11] <ScottK> Hmmm.  Maybe as an option?
[18:11] <nixternal> most definitely
[18:13] <nixternal> hsitter: you work with marco martin at all? seems he may be the one leading the plasma-mid dev stuff
[18:13] <hsitter> nixternal: not yet
[18:13] <nixternal> maybe we should work a bit upstream and see what we can get going
[18:13] <hsitter> nixternal: that was my plan
[18:13] <nixternal> though it seems dev on it is a bit slow, but i have to remember that gcds is going on right now
[18:13] <nixternal> hsitter: groovy
[18:13] <nixternal> hsitter: #kubuntu-netbook silly
[18:14] <nixternal> rickspencer3: if you are following/interested in kubuntu netbook edition dev stuff, #kubuntu-netbook :)
[18:15] <nixternal> ok, gonna chill and have some lunch and let this little bugger charge back up...bbiab
[18:16] <hsitter> nixternal: yet another channel :P
[18:16] <rickspencer3> cool
[18:26] <hsitter> oh dear
[18:26] <hsitter> the hero rom is 85 MiB in size :S
[18:47] <dpm> hsitter: thanks (yet again) for the introductory e-mail to kde-i18n-doc
[18:47] <dpm> and sorry that you've had to take the first flames already
[18:47] <dpm> I definitely owe you a beer
[18:47] <dpm> or two :-)
[18:49] <dpm> the important thing is that Kubuntu translations are going to rock in Karmic
[18:53] <ScottK> dpm: That is.  It will be a very welcome change.  No one has ever asked what they could do to help before (that I recall).
[18:56] <dpm> ScottK: yes, I'm very excited about the outcome.
[18:58] <ScottK> dpm: I think if we can execute well in Karmic, the chances are good we can convince people to come back to translating Kubuntu for Karmic +1.
[19:05] <dpm> ScottK: yes, that's a good point, if we do that well, this will only be the start
[19:05] <dpm> and a good aim as well
[19:06] <ScottK> dpm: Agreed, but we need to show some actual improvments in a release before people will be open to giving it another try.  I think it's also important not to push people to come back before it's a credible suggestion.
[19:08] <dpm> Yes of course, I do keep that in mind, and I do think that's an important point you already made on our UDS session
[19:10] <ScottK> OK.  I'd hate to see good work spoiled by trying to push to fast.
[19:10] <maco> should i start studying spanish/japanese again?
[19:10] <dpm> maco: oh yes, please :)
[19:11] <dpm> ScottK: I agree with you, we need some results first
[19:11] <rgreening> and I, w/ my bad portuguese (filtered through my fluent wife first though)
[19:11] <dpm> I've recently come across https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo Do you guys think it would make sense to add the work we're currently doing on sorting out the translation templates there?
[19:13] <ScottK> dpm: I think so.  Please feel free to add it.
[19:15] <dpm> ok, I'll do
[20:11] <Mamarok> hm, I got a dependency problem agaoin with 4.2.95:
[20:11] <Mamarok> kde-devel: Depends: kde-core (>= 5:50ubuntu1~jaunty1~ppa1) but 5:48ubuntu2~jaunty1~ppa1 is installed.
[20:40] <jussi01> mrgh, stupid kde upgrade restarting my x... forgot that happened
[21:07] <Riddell> nixternal: this one's for you baby http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/4010
[21:09] <nixternal> yay hot tubs!!!
[21:09] <nhandler> Riddell: Do you should it would make sense to have https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Membership redirect tohttps://wiki.kubuntu.org/Membership, and then update the second page to mention how to gain Kubuntu Membership?
[21:10] <nixternal> we seriously need to add "Not affraid of hot tubs at conferences" as a prerequisite for contributing to Kubuntu
[21:10] <nixternal> nhandler: what did you say? do you, should it, would make
[21:10] <Riddell> nixternal: yeah can do
[21:10] <nixternal> you lost me :p
[21:11] <nixternal> nhandler: no redirecting (yet?)
[21:11] <nixternal> we (I and all of you) need to come up with a solid wiki presence
[21:11] <nhandler> nixternal: Yeah, that copy/paste from yesterday got messed up
[21:11] <nixternal> I would like all of our stuff under /Kubuntu/
[21:12] <nixternal> but people keep doing /KubuntuFooBarIsBah and not /Kubuntu/FooBarIsBah/
[21:12] <nhandler> But does it make sense to have a Membership page for Kubuntu that for the most part is identical to the Ubuntu one?
[21:12] <nixternal> ya, it needs to be changed...it was thrown in there as filler iirc
[21:12] <nhandler> I think it would make the most sense to have one Membership wiki page, and then have Kubuntu/Membership redirect to it
[21:12] <nixternal> there are a lot of pages that borrow from the ubuntu ones for filler
[21:14] <neversfelde> can we publish and improve this somewhere: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/ChristianMangold/UsingKubuntuPPAs
[21:14] <neversfelde> many useres are very confused about the short news on kubuntu.org and need help with adding e.g. the backport ppa
[21:16] <nixternal> hrmm, ya we should have it documented somewhere it seems
[21:17] <nixternal> I would like to have /Kubuntu as the root wiki page with stuff like: Development, Contribute, and what not under neath
[21:17] <nixternal> my head isn't in it right now and I am drawing blanks
[21:17] <maco> my brother just called because update manager gave him an error (really a warning, it says "w:") he starts reading it to me, gets halfway through the archive.ubuntu.com/... URL and goes "wait, do i have to be online to get updates?"
[21:17] <nixternal> I am watching the tour de france, and looking forward to a really long and fast paced ride in 2 hours :)
[21:18] <nixternal> maco: hahaha, classic!
[21:18] <nixternal> OH!!!
[21:18] <nixternal> My dad is going to use Ubuntu!
[21:18] <nixternal> well, Kubuntu
[21:18] <nixternal> he is going to get a Dell Mini 10v for the craft shows he does
[21:18] <nixternal> though he says Koolbuntu and not Kubuntu, but this is a first
[21:19] <nixternal> he is a windows lover, big time...you diss it, it is like you just slapped his mother
[21:19] <nixternal> it has taken me 15 years to make him look at Linux, and finally I have succeeded!
[21:19] <neversfelde> congratulations
[21:19] <maco> did you pull the "daddy, aren't you proud of what i work on? don't you want to see what i've been doing?"
[21:19] <neversfelde> my mother uses vista, because she likes the firefox
[21:19] <neversfelde> :/
[21:20] <maco> neversfelde, the big back button?
[21:20] <nixternal> my mom on the other hand, I have to break her of her love of AOL...she uses the cheap stuff now but has had AOL for about 13 years and doesn't get the idea of switching email is easier than she thinks
[21:20] <nixternal> I had her on Kubuntu for about 15 minutes...once she found out no AOL she cussed me out :D
[21:21] <neversfelde> maco: my mother does not use any other things than her 3 favourite bookmarks
[21:21] <nixternal> neversfelde: same with my mom, aol and yahoo games, aol for email
[21:21] <nixternal> that's it
[21:21] <neversfelde> HEHE
[21:21] <neversfelde> sorry
[21:22] <nixternal> ya, you didn't have to yell that little chuckle :p
[21:22] <neversfelde> the perfect Linux user
[21:22] <nixternal> ya, aol is the only killer
[21:28]  * a|wen waves
[21:29] <nixternal> stop waving and start working :)
[21:30] <neversfelde> wb a|wen
[21:31] <a|wen> trying to catch up on things first of all, he ... hi nixternal and neversfelde :)
[21:31] <nixternal> howdy a|wen
[21:32] <a|wen> is karmic usable enough to consider upgrading soon ... or still a lot of flux?
[21:33] <neversfelde> I think it is very stable atm
[21:33] <nixternal> I have been using Karmic on all of my machines...on Ubuntu their new GDM is straight garbage, on Kubuntu everything is great
[21:34] <nixternal> with the mini 10v I have to add 'nomodeset' to the kernel line in grub
[21:34] <neversfelde> I had some problems with grub 1.96, but nothing which you can't repair
[21:34] <a|wen> cool... i have my eee that i need to get into the testing play as well soon
[21:35] <neversfelde> a super grub disk is not so bad to have :)
[21:35] <a|wen> and as it is summer holiday now it is okay to have your machine break for a day or two
[21:35] <neversfelde> :)
[21:37] <maco> havent had any major issues
[21:37] <maco> watch out during gdm/kdm upgrades since they'll restart X... and um, if you use openvpn, use karmic's 2.6.30 not 2.6.31
[21:38] <a|wen> wasn't it only gdm that had the restarting issue?
[21:38] <neversfelde> yay, ksshaskpass in jaunty backports
[21:40] <maco> a|wen, kdm did it to me twice
[21:40] <maco> i was very confused
[21:40] <maco> well, it didnt really restart...just stop
[21:40] <maco> dtchen says that with gdm it restarted but the new instance was on a different VT so it'd *look* stopped...im not sure if it was the same thing
[21:41] <nixternal> oh man, I am watching this show on Versus that just made me about throw up
[21:41] <a|wen> doesn't sound nice i'd say ... oh well; upgrade from a vt and save your work before doing it :)
[21:42] <nixternal> holy shite
[21:42]  * nixternal changes channel
[21:42]  * a|wen doesn't really watch tv even though it is turned on
[21:43] <nixternal> i just happened to look up, this young skateboarder breaks his wrist and it is nasty, then a month or so later he breaks his ankle and his foot was twisted 180 degrees
[21:43] <neversfelde> I can't find the page with the standard answers for bug triage. Does someone know whre I can find it?
[21:44] <a|wen> neversfelde: two secs
[21:44] <neversfelde> you get 4 if you want :)
[21:44] <nixternal> neversfelde: that's where greasemonkey and firefox is a proven winner :)
[21:44] <a|wen> neversfelde: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Responses
[21:44] <neversfelde> thank you
[21:44] <a|wen> even though it was 36 secs ;)
[21:45] <neversfelde> mhhh :)
[21:48] <a|wen> time to update some pbuilder-chroots...
[22:25]  * ScottK waves to a|wen
[22:25] <a|wen> hi ScottK!
[22:25]  * ScottK was starting to wonder maybe you weren't coming back ...
[22:26] <a|wen> no no ... just started directly on a three week intensive course at university 24 hours after arriving back in DK, so not much time for other stuff
[22:27] <ScottK> Ah.  Well welcome home then.
[22:27] <a|wen> thx :)
[22:30] <ScottK> a|wen: One question I've been holding for you: Do you know if https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/339313 is fixed in the NM Plasmoid upload SRU that's (still) pending?
[22:31] <a|wen> looks like it got through to updates ... or do we have yet another update pending?
[22:32] <ScottK> Then I guess it got out.
[22:33] <a|wen> afaik there was some fixes for wep as well, so it most likely is fixed as well
[22:34] <a|wen> reading thorugh the bug it looks like it was fixed (but deleting the wireless network might be needed, as with hidden networks)
[22:38] <a|wen> how are the specs coming along? do we have any summary page to have an idea of what we are supposed to be doing?
[22:40] <ScottK> a|wen: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo
[22:40] <ScottK> We still need people to work on stuff.
[22:45] <a|wen> looks pretty good, we are starting to get some green on the page... but we are in serious need of some artwork gurus it looks