[02:22] <kfogel> sinzui: I really like the wording in the new "Your project isn't as free as you think it is" email.  Or did you customize that one just now?  (The one about discriminating against a field of use.)
[02:35] <thumper> hi kfogel
[02:36] <thumper> kfogel: thanks for that email, it really was a doozey
[02:55] <ScottK> Is there a link?
[02:56] <wgrant> I hope we'll see the mailing list made public - and the IRC channel properly moved here - soonish.
[02:57] <ScottK> Which month is it the partially opening LP was promised?  This one, right?
[02:57] <wgrant> ScottK: Late July or early August.
[02:58] <ScottK> OK.  Thanks.
[03:31] <thumper> wgrant: some of the devs will be moving here
[03:31] <thumper> wgrant: and once we have open sourced, pretty much all conversation will be here
[03:32] <wgrant> thumper: Ah, good.
[03:32] <kfogel> thumper: you're welcome
[03:32] <kfogel> wgrant: mailing list will become public, but the current archives won't, of course (lots of company information in them).
[03:32] <thumper> kfogel: so some action on that this week maybe?
[03:32] <wgrant> kfogel: Of course.
[03:32] <thumper> kfogel: I'll look forward to the list being public
[03:33] <thumper> someone at some stage removed my other email address from the "authorised" list
[03:33] <kfogel> thumper: let's pretend we're not moving to a privchat
[03:33] <thumper> and I'm always sending email from the wrong email address
[03:33] <thumper> at least with the launchpad mailman, I can use either :)
[04:00] <sinzui> kfogel: I did customize that email. I send it to all projects that choose Other Open Source, but discriminate against commercial or derivatives. 90% of the cases are to CC-NC or CC-ND projects.
[04:01] <wgrant> A lot of people don't realise that NC and ND are non-free.
[04:02] <sinzui> indeed. I think most projects would not choose them if they know the OSI or FSF reject them
[04:09] <kfogel> sinzui: makes me wonder if we should anticipate this at the UI level and save ourselves some human time.
[04:10] <sinzui> kfogel: most of the problem has disappeared since we added the good CC licenses
[04:10] <wgrant> What fraction of projects are still doing it?
[04:10] <sinzui> translations-only projects are my new top problem.
[04:11]  * sinzui looks for answer
[04:12] <sinzui> wgrant: kfogel: These is not easy way to know. we do not index the  the additional license info field. I think the answer is about 50 projects
[04:14] <wgrant> sinzui: Not too bad.
[04:15] <wgrant> But a little disturbing that people don't research their licenses.
[04:16] <sinzui> cc-0 seems to have addressed the majority of users who just want their code to be public and do not want to bother with the legal issues
[04:18] <wgrant> Was there a Public Domain option before CC-0 was added?
[04:23] <sinzui> Well I just scanned all 128 problem projects. there are about 16 projects that are using the problem CC licenses.
[04:41] <sinzui> wgrant: these was and is a Public Domain. The license comes from US law and has troubles in other countries. CC-0 tries to addresses that
[07:09] <jtv> hi folks
[07:10]  * wgrant welcomes jtv to the newly-populated channel.
[07:11]  * jtv wais wgrant
[07:11]  * kfogel says good night to wgrant, jtv
[07:11] <jtv> good night Karl!
[07:12] <kfogel> g'night
[07:12] <wgrant> Night kfogel.
[07:12] <wgrant> Damn.
[10:25] <jtv> Anyone else having trouble running the Code tests?
[11:33] <jtv> danilos, here's that change for the POExport view: https://pastebin.canonical.com/19361/
[11:33] <thumper> jtv: what's up?
[11:34] <jtv> thumper: relative humidity is waaaay up.
[11:35] <thumper> jtv: I was meaning the code tests
[11:35] <jtv> thumper: oh that, probably just a local problem with my system.  Never mind now.
[11:35] <thumper> ok
[11:35] <thumper> night
[11:35] <jtv> thumper: good night
[11:38] <jtv> danilos, got the paste?
[11:40] <danilos> jtv: can you try again? :)
[11:40] <jtv> danilos: https://pastebin.canonical.com/19361/
[11:42] <danilos> jtv: thanks a lot
[11:46] <jtv> np
[12:08] <danilos> jtv: anyway, shall we have a call?
[12:09] <jtv> danilos: definitely, I was only waiting for you to finish with stub
[12:09] <danilos> jtv: or a chat, whatevah you prefer
[12:19] <danilos> jtv: call me back :)