[00:12] <ripps> kernel 2.6.31-1 broke my ati drivers
[00:12] <ripps> Also, why does gdm want to remove fast-user-switch-applet?
[00:13] <BUGabundo> ripps: no more used on karmic
[00:13] <ripps> So, just let it be removed?
[00:14] <BUGabundo> I will not say anything
[00:14] <BUGabundo> it didn't ask me yet
[00:14] <Ian_Corne> err
[00:14] <Ian_Corne> BUGabundo: it will be used iirc
[00:14] <Ian_Corne> but it's not compatible with the new GDM yet
[00:15] <ghindo> Hrm, I'm still on GDM 2.20...should I force an upgrade?
[00:16] <Ian_Corne> well you're using karmic  to test new stuff?
[00:16] <ripps> Does anybody here know how to fix my radeon drivers? I can't use dri, it the xorg.log says something about radeon.o is 2.0.0, but 1.17.0 or newer  is needed; disabling dri
[01:54] <DanaG> When is Xorg going to be able to handle keycodes > 255?
[02:53] <poseidon> Is there a package I can install to get acmkdir?
[03:00] <poseidon> did a google search.  saw a few comments about acmkdir not being in the debian repos either
[05:56] <DanaG> dtchen: oh yeah, did you get a chance to dig up that ALSA upstream bug-report link?
[06:11] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/394985
[06:11] <DanaG> yargh.
[06:17] <ripps> Okay, my list of things that are bugging me right now: 1) I have to enter a password to use my wifi.  2) I have to enter the exact same password a second time to mount my ntfs harddisks.  3) I have to unplug and replug my wacom to get it working.
[06:18] <SeveredCross> ripps: You can blame DeviceKit for #2.
[06:18] <SeveredCross> Not sure about #1, I don't have that issue.
[06:18] <SeveredCross> Actually, DeviceKit/PolicyKit.
[06:18] <ripps> SeveredCross: It's a gnome-keyring thing
[06:18] <ripps> I'm actually just unlocking my keyring
[06:18] <SeveredCross> Ah. Hmm, mine never asks me to unlock my keyring after login.
[06:19] <SeveredCross> For mounting disks, I get asked by DeviceKit every time.
[06:19] <ripps> SeveredCross: do you use autologin?
[06:19] <SeveredCross> Nope.
[06:19] <ripps> SeveredCross: see, gnome-keyring takes your password there
[06:19] <ripps> Since I have autologin, it needs credentials
[06:19] <SeveredCross> Ah-ha, that would explain it
[06:20] <ripps> And I'm okay with that to an extent, it's the fact that have to type my password twice from two seperate prompts when I login
[06:21] <ripps> I think you can unsecure the gnome-keyring, and have it work without a password, but I forgot how to do that.
[06:23] <Ian_Corne> it asks that when you give a password for the first time :p
[06:23] <DanaG> ugh, anything I send with notify-send stays up for like 5 or 10 seconds.
[06:24] <DanaG> I thought it was only supposed to stay up for 1/2 a second!
[06:25] <Ian_Corne> aha :p
[06:25] <Ian_Corne>        -t, --expire-time=TIME
[06:25] <Ian_Corne>               Specifies  the  timeout  in  milliseconds at which to expire the
[06:25] <Ian_Corne>               notification.
[06:26] <DanaG> -t 750
[06:26] <DanaG> 750 milliseconds is what I specify.
[06:27] <DanaG> 11 SECONDS is what I get.
[06:28] <Ian_Corne> yeah doesn't seem to work :p
[06:28] <ripps> DanaG: it seems notify-osd ignores the time specified by notify-send
[06:28] <DanaG> Yeah, but multiplying it by like 20... is absurd.
[06:29] <ripps> DanaG: It does 10 seconds, every time
[06:29] <DanaG> I thought they said the minimum should be like 500 milliseconds.
[06:30] <DanaG> I have a script that does this on a keypress:           notify-send -t 750 "Ambient Light Sensor" "OFF" -i stock_brightness #gnome-brightness-applet
[06:30] <ripps> DanaG: I think that can only be specified via code or dbus... or something... I'm not entirely clear on the specification...
[06:30] <DanaG> If I want to toggle the thing twice... I have to wait 20 seconds before I know the final state AND it goes away.
[06:31] <ripps> DanaG: I'm not entirely sure if the timing can be controled yet, but if it can, I'm pretty sure it would have to be done directly. Your best to file a bug or ask a ubuntu-dev
[06:32] <ripps> Ian_Corne: do you know how to remove a gnome-keyring password once I've made it?
[06:33] <SeveredCross> ripps: Seahorse.
[06:35] <DanaG> man notify-osd
[06:35] <DanaG> No manual entry for notify-osd
[06:35] <DanaG> thaaanks.
[06:36] <ripps> Notify-osd is still in a stat of flux, things are still changing and features being changed and added. So right now, it's kinda hard to get a bead on it's api
[06:38] <DanaG> 10 seconds is still pretty ridiculous for something triggered by a key.
[06:39] <Ian_Corne> ripps: sorry i don't know
[06:40] <Ian_Corne> there's a menu in applications->accesories->passwords and encry...
[06:41] <DanaG> oh yeah, and the notification title "Ambient Light Sensor" gets wrapped to two lines.  Any way to make it fit on one line, without making it look stupid (as in "Amb. Light Sensor" looks stupid)?
[06:41] <DanaG> oh, just Amb (with no dot) works.
[06:42] <Ian_Corne> bbl
[06:42] <DanaG> or just "Brightness Sensor"
[06:45] <DanaG> eh, looks best as "AmbientLightSensor" -- no spaces, but the proper name.
[06:45] <DanaG> Anyway... any chance of getting Ubuntu to patch find_task_by_vpid back into the kernel, temporarily?
[06:46] <DanaG> For now, I'll just build my own ALSA for the 2.6.30 kernel.
[06:49] <DanaG> Nifty thing with new GDM: you can make volume control keys work there.
[06:49] <DanaG> Just have to enable the media-keys plugin in the gconf thingy.
[06:52] <DanaG> hmm, ALSA calls my USB sound card an "Audio Advantage Roadie", but Turtle Beach calls it SRM, not Roadie.
[06:52] <DanaG> I believe the only difference between the two was the color of the case, though.
[07:23] <DanaG> ugh, ALSA git server is being dog-slow.
[07:23] <DanaG> 20 kilobytes per second.
[07:24] <Ian_Corne> :p
[07:28] <DanaG> well, now it's 100 kilobytes per second.  Better, but still sucky.
[07:30] <DanaG> eh, I give up.
[07:30] <DanaG> I wish Ubuntu would temporarily patch that missing symbol back into the kernel.
[07:30] <DanaG> .. so then I could use 2.6.31 with fglrx.
[07:30] <Ian_Corne> hmm
[07:31] <DanaG> anyway, bye for now.
[09:33] <eagles0513875> i have tried to install the 2.6.30-10 kernel that is in karmic repos but for some reason its not showing up in the gurb list
[09:34] <hifi> 2.6.31 is already in the karmic repos, don't you want it?
[09:34] <eagles0513875> hifi: im having issues with the plasma widget connecting to my wpa2 mixed encryption wiwi network
[09:34] <eagles0513875> most likely its a regression in the widget and nothing to do with the kernel
[10:01] <pvandewyngaerde> i cannot install the daily builds, i tried two already, and i always get permission denied errors
[10:17] <yofel> pvandewyngaerde: permission denied for what? download cd/burn it/boot/install/...
[10:25] <yofel> argh, bug 388953 is annoying *-.-
[10:38] <cbr> uhm, why is my karmic pretty broken?
[10:39] <cbr> at times KDE doesn't start although KDM does.. X just crashes.. when i log in @ VT, it gives errors about /dev/null not being accessible.. the wicd network manager doesn't work.. yet on some boots some of these things work again
[10:55] <pvandewyngaerde> yofel:  downloaded iso image,  using it in a new virtualbox machine , ubuntu and kubuntu: see also  bug 394646
[12:46] <anteaterNethack> in gdm the option for just using the users .xsession instead of a registered window manager does not exist anymore.  is creating a *.desktop file the right way to go?
[12:46] <bazhang> anteaterNethack, in karmic? or jaunty
[12:46] <anteaterNethack> karmic.
[12:47] <anteaterNethack> it was there by default in jaunty.
[12:47] <anteaterNethack> (i am using an xmonad that lives in my home.)
[12:47] <bazhang> best wait for an answer in here then, in lieu of #ubuntu
[12:48] <anteaterNethack> yes.
[12:49]  * gnomefreak blames mono
[12:49] <anteaterNethack> i'll just fix it the way dr_willis said in #ubuntu in the meantime.
[12:50]  * gnomefreak working on lower panel atm, swomeone knows whats wrong with it let me know save me some time :)
[12:53] <anteaterNethack> karmic works pretty well for a pre-release.  i had not had any other problems.
[12:55] <gnomefreak> eh a few issues that i expected just caught me off guard since ive been gone for a while
[12:56] <anteaterNethack> i only updated last week.
[12:56] <anteaterNethack> ok, i'll have to restart my X now, to see if the fix worked.  see you!
[13:05] <pvandewyngaerde> i cannot install it
[13:17] <anteaterNethack> re.
[13:35] <nh2> hi, is there any way I can try multi pointer X (mpx) without spending days on it?
[13:35] <nh2> I'd like to see what it can do with two mice
[14:03] <Le-Chuck_ITA> Hi there, after latest upgrades I can see black rectangular holes on my screen, on ATI
[14:03] <Le-Chuck_ITA> like the vga cursor
[14:03] <Le-Chuck_ITA> on the Xorg screen
[14:10] <Medo42> I'm using the Xubuntu karmic alpha and gdm stopped working.
[14:12] <Medo42> I can start an x session manually as root when I kill gdm, with "sudo startx", but gdm only shows a black screen with movable "busy" mouse cursor.
[14:12] <gnomefreak> Medo42: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart?
[14:13] <gnomefreak> does that help
[14:13] <Medo42> No, same result.
[14:14] <gnomefreak> X drivers maybe
[14:14] <Medo42> I also tried going back to the 2.6.30 kernel without any change
[14:15] <Medo42> And as I said, I can start x manually as root and get an xfce session, so x seems to be working fine.
[14:25] <Medo42> I'll try to reinstall gdm
[14:30] <Medo42> Did not help
[14:32] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[14:34] <Medo42> Hi. I'm giving up for now.
[14:34] <tgpraveen> BluesKaj: h
[14:35] <tgpraveen> hi
[14:38] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I told you that I see sort of a black vga cursor disturbing my X, but there is more
[14:38] <Le-Chuck_ITA> you should see my console (tty1...n)
[14:38] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I have pieces of X windows over there :)
[14:39] <Le-Chuck_ITA> please tell me you already know. If I have to report such a bug it will be a great headache
[14:39] <Le-Chuck_ITA> some of them you use a camera to get pics of the console...
[14:39] <Le-Chuck_ITA> OMG my english is died
[14:43] <rww> Le-Chuck_ITA: There's more information and a fix at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/394263
[14:44] <Le-Chuck_ITA> great
[14:44] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I love you
[14:44] <Le-Chuck_ITA> ah it's just kernel, good
[14:45] <rww> there's a problem with the radeon driver and kernel mode-setting that causes a bunch of problems, including tty1...n not working, blocks on the screen, accelleration not working... that modprobe.d entry disables KMS which fixes all of that.
[14:45] <gnomefreak> and i thought nvidia was in bad shape
[14:45] <Le-Chuck_ITA> rww: if you have an ATI, I never understood the plethora of driver options available. Basically I should stay with wathever ubuntu choses for me?
[14:46]  * gnomefreak be back later to check on build
[14:46] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I mean the choice of the driver, not the options of a specific driver
[14:47] <Le-Chuck_ITA> rww thanks!
[14:47] <rww> Le-Chuck_ITA: it depends on your card. If the Hardware Drivers utility tells you that you can use the non-free ATI driver, that might be worth a look if you need 3D acceleration (compiz) and don't have it by default. Otherwise, yeah, I'd stay with the default
[14:48] <rww> (and the non-free ATI driver doesn't support a bunch of cards now, so don't bother with it if Hardware Drivers doesn't list it)
[14:48] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I have 3d accelleration by default, *very* fast for an old laptop, the only problem is some wrong video frequency that sometimes makes  my screen dark for a couple of seconds
[14:49] <Le-Chuck_ITA> and I can live with it
[14:49] <rww> Le-Chuck_ITA: then I'd stay with what you have :)
[14:49] <Le-Chuck_ITA> what is KMS?
[14:50] <rww> Le-Chuck_ITA: KMS = kernel mode-setting = setting up the graphics card inside the kernel at the beginning of boot, rather than when Xorg starts
[14:50] <Le-Chuck_ITA> is this the thing that caused my consoles not to be 80x25 anymore?
[14:52] <rww> Le-Chuck_ITA: possibly. I never got it working right (it breaks my consoles), so I don't know if it does that.
[14:53] <Le-Chuck_ITA> rww: reboot time, thanks again
[14:53] <rww> gnomefreak: well nvidia's free drivers don't even attempt KMS yet, as far as I know ;)
[14:54] <rww> oh, i lie, apparently they reverse-engineered it in nouveau. nifty.
[14:55] <gnomefreak> rww: not sure but i guess from last comment they do
[14:55] <gnomefreak> they dont work nor does the 173 driver in our PPA or repos but upstream works
[14:56] <Le-Chuck_ITA> rww: kms *is* responsible for the high-resolution ttys
[14:56] <Le-Chuck_ITA> rww: now I know because I rebooted and they are back to good old 80x25. The high resolution ones are extremely slow on all computers I've seen them on. I hope some day the developers will change their mind on this.
[14:59] <Le-Chuck_ITA> Another question: is Xorg *very* crashy for you since a week or less?
[14:59] <Le-Chuck_ITA> it tends to crash while I type
[15:00] <rww> Le-Chuck_ITA: nope, it's working fine here. Is it still happening after putting in that modprobe.d line?
[15:01] <Le-Chuck_ITA> rww: it's happening on two different pcs. The modprobe line solved all the new problems except this one
[15:01] <Le-Chuck_ITA> but the other pc has an intel card. I suspect it's gdm
[15:01] <rww> Le-Chuck_ITA: That'd be the other thing that changed last week, yeah.
[15:01] <Le-Chuck_ITA> idea, will try to use startx and see
[15:22] <eagles0513875> gnomefreak: can i ask ya a question
[15:25] <bmunger> I can't get either the Live CD or Alternate cd to install using usb.. what's the trick?
[15:26] <bmunger> And netboot will not work either
[15:27] <eagles0513875> bmunger: if you upgrade from jaunty to karmic it works
[15:27] <bmunger> I had bad luck with upgrades
[15:27] <bmunger> on any os
[15:29] <eagles0513875> well from jaunty to karmic it works cuz i did it day before yesterday
[15:36] <tgpraveen> hi all
[15:39] <bmunger> any idea when the livecd installer will be fixed for kubuntu?
[15:40] <tgpraveen> is banshee and empathy the default yet on the cd?
[15:54] <bmunger> ok i cant use jaunty to update to karmic because only thing thats available are dvd images and its too big for my usb disk
[15:54] <bmunger> tried jaunty netboot and that doesnt work either
[15:55] <yofel> bmunger: the jaunty cd's would be here: http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/9.04/
[15:55] <bmunger> why isnt it on cdimage.ubuntu.com ?
[15:55] <maco> any of you use GoodReads + Firefox 3.5?
[15:56] <yofel> bmunger: no idea ^^
[15:56] <bmunger> ok
[15:56] <bmunger> going to try today's karmic live cd and if it doesnt work i will try the jaunty cd
[15:57] <yofel> bmunger: what about the alpha2 cd?
[15:57] <bmunger> if i remember they said the only working one was alternate..and alternate doesnt work on anything but real cdrom drives
[15:58] <bmunger> but maybe i will try that next instead
[15:59] <yofel> who said that, there are desktop isos of alpha2 here http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/karmic/alpha-2/
[16:10] <yofel> cool, it seems that after 2 jears of using ubuntu Suspend now seems to work flawless on my thinkpad :)
[16:28] <JMFTheVCI> Found a nice bug today. If I use Synaptic and click on Reload it works - *unless* I am using a VPN connection (AT&T) then it chashes my system. This is with the 2.6.31.1 kernel. With the 2.6.30.10 kernel it does not crash in these circumstances. This is repeatable.
[16:29] <JMFTheVCI> Worth reporting? The AT&T dialer is a company specifc item of software and is not in the ubuntu repos.
[16:34] <charlie-tca> Anyone get VirtualBox-OSE to work in 2.6.31.1 kernel?
[16:35] <JMFTheVCI> Try 2.6.31.2 which is just out.
[16:35] <JMFTheVCI> I have seen that 2.6.31.1 is buggy.
[16:41] <SwedeMike> I tought 2.6.31 was only at rc2 stage?
[16:42] <charlie-tca> I don't know where it is at, but it is in karmic 64bit, at least
[16:42] <JMFTheVCI> It might well be. I have all repositories active. I do know that I have had issues with 31.1 so 31.2 is worth a try. 2.6.30.10 has been stable so far.
[16:43] <JMFTheVCI> (I am a 32-bit only so can't make x64 judgements.)
[16:45] <charlie-tca> I'll give it a try.
[18:00]  * Bmw1000c brb
[18:01] <DanaG> dtchen: I'm looking through the ALSA git server... and it hasn't been updated since June 6th.  Do you know what's going on with that?
[18:02] <DanaG> ... and where I can get the ALSA with those mute GPIO patches?
[18:05] <gnomefreak> eagles0513875: do you still need me?
[18:38] <holzmodem> is it true, that the kernel > 2.6.30 no longer support loading custom DSDT file thru initramfs?
[18:43] <maco> holzmodem, might be something to ask in #ubuntu-kernel
[18:53] <badmox_> hi i have an problem with upgrading to 9.10 alpha update-manager -d does not work
[18:55] <gnomefreak> most likley it hasnt been updated to add the -d flag for 9.10
[18:55] <Leftmost> I'm attempting to set up a VPN connection with Network Manager, but the Add button in the connection editor is greyed out. network-manager-vpnc is installed and Network Manager has been restarted since. Ideas?
[18:56] <gnomefreak> oh bw gdm is going to break on gdm update
[18:57] <gnomefreak> s/bw/btw
[18:57] <gnomefreak> 2.26.1-0ubuntu3 is broken one
[18:57] <gnomefreak> as of a few hours ago
[19:10] <charlie-tca> Time to reinstall karmic here. Upgrade to 2.6.31.2 kernel and newest gdm failed totally
[19:11] <SeveredCross> I haven't gotten the 2.6.31 kernel yet...
[19:11] <SeveredCross> Hmm.
[19:11] <SeveredCross> gdm works for me.
[19:11] <charlie-tca> doesn' t really seem like a good idea to get it yet
[19:11] <yofel> SeveredCross: which gdm version?
[19:11] <SeveredCross> 2.26.1-0ubuntu2.
[19:11] <charlie-tca> What ever the 1600 UTC update was
[19:12] <SeveredCross> I had to reboot, but it works.
[19:12] <yofel> SeveredCross: the newest is ubuntu3
[19:12] <charlie-tca> I think 2.26.1-0ubuntu3
[19:12] <SeveredCross> Huh, I guess I haven't gotten it yet.
[19:12] <SeveredCross> An apt-get upgrade shows nothing.
[19:12] <SeveredCross> Dist-upgrade same.
[19:12] <SeveredCross> And I just refreshed the repos.
[19:12] <charlie-tca> just came out 4 hours agao
[19:12] <yofel> but you need to switch to ttyX to upgrade it
[19:12] <yofel> or your system will be crap
[19:12] <charlie-tca> yeah, did that. Followed the message all the way, and gdm would not restart anyway
[19:13] <yofel> hm, well, I'll try it now as well, wish me luck!
[19:13] <charlie-tca> ah, well. I fresh install again is probably good :-)
[19:13] <charlie-tca> s/I/A
[19:14] <Twigathy> hm, well using update-manager gdm nuked itself. So I switched to a vt, ran dpkg --configure -a, then apt-get upgrade and all was well :)
[19:15] <hggdh> Twigathy, yes, known, solved with gdm-2.26.1-0ubuntu3
[19:16] <charlie-tca> Yeah, ran mine in tty1
[19:16]  * hggdh was the first to be hit by this, last week
[19:17] <Twigathy> I hit it too, but it saved my session and restarted gdm rather than killing the session
[19:17] <Twigathy> This is a second gdm update with weird killyness :)
[19:20] <hggdh> yes, the first two updates to 2.26.1 had this issue; it did not affect everybody, though. This was fixed today, with 0ubuntu3 (still one issue remaining)
[19:20] <yofel> so, gdm back up after I started it manually :)
[19:25] <charlie-tca> I must be just lucky? ;-)
[19:30] <yofel> hm... what the hell is gdm-simple-greeter?
[19:30] <yofel> and who's idea was it to make apport pop up a minute after login...
[19:31] <hggdh> yofel, g-s-g is the one reamining issue, and what about  apport?
[19:32] <yofel> hggdh: apport just pops up a minute after minute and steals the keyboard while I'm typing in irssi -> 1) very annoying 2) Since I'm typing on the keyboard I don't know what will happen
[19:33] <yofel> s/minute after minute/minute after login
[19:33] <hggdh> yofel, announcing crashes?
[19:34] <yofel> hggdh: how about popping up in the notification area?
[19:34] <hggdh> yofel, I think it might be a good idea, but -- is apport announcing crashes?
[19:35] <yofel> (and no, I don't want to continue the discussion about update-notifier)
[19:35] <yofel> hggdh: yes
[19:35] <yofel> I don't neccessary have something against popping up, but it should NOT steal my keyboard
[19:37] <eagles0513875> gnomefreak: sry was afk just had one question about the plasma-widget-network-manager the version form svn that is in jaunty was it patched or something to fix wpa connection issues
[19:37] <hggdh> yofel, this is a good bug to report
[19:39] <DanaG> odd... that fix for mute LED doesn't apply to my card.
[19:39] <yofel> will do that then
[19:39] <DanaG> Oh, and it only works one way: software toggles LED, but pushing button does not toggle software state!
[19:39] <hggdh> thanks. I agree with you. I do not like keyboard stealing
[19:41] <DanaG> http://forum.soft32.com/linux/31-rc1-iwlagn-4965-wireless-due-RFKILL-problem-ftopict487802.html
[19:50] <DanaG>     	https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=515266
[19:50] <DanaG> NotPermitted... damnit.
[19:51] <robin0800> the update to 2.6.31.2 seems to have fixed my compiz problem
[19:54] <billybigrig> anyone have a working webcam with 2.6.31?
[20:02] <bmunger> I have a Dell Latitude D600 system which is a Pentium M 1.7GHz with 1GB ram and Intel graphics.. it sure does drag in Kubuntu Karmic.  Even with compositing turned off it runs poorly.  Does anyone have any performance suggestions?
[20:47] <billybigrig> should be enough to run karmic and compiz
[20:47] <billybigrig> i don't use intel though, so i don't know
[20:48] <billybigrig> what video driver are you using?
[20:49] <BluesKaj> billybigrig ??
[20:49] <bmunger> billybigrig, probably i915 if i had to guess, how do i tell?
[20:50] <reto`> bmunger: you might try the xcfe desktop. but for me ubuntu (GNOME) is running quite fast on a netbook hp mini 1.6ghz 2gb ram...
[20:51] <billybigrig> BluesKaj: ?
[20:51] <billybigrig> bmunger: lspci
[20:51] <billybigrig> lspci
[20:51] <billybigrig> err lspci | grep Intel
[20:52] <BluesKaj> nm billybigrig , just wondered where the question came from :)
[20:52] <yofel> more like: lspci | grep VGA
[20:52] <billybigrig> haha im having a mental block today i think
[20:52] <billybigrig> yofel: haha thanks
[20:52] <yofel> :P
[20:54] <BluesKaj> or , lspci | grep -i vga
[21:06] <bmunger> yofel: whoops, I was wrong, its ATI RV250
[21:06] <bmunger> which should run better than Intel right?
[21:07] <bmunger> Mobility FireGL 9000
[21:07] <yofel> well... don't know much ati - i've got intel and nvidia
[21:07] <yofel> do you use the open source driver or fglrx?
[21:07] <bmunger> reto`: Yea I thought about using XFCE, but I was using this machine to demo KDE 4.3
[21:08] <bmunger> yofel: Probably open source, I didn't see it listed as needing a driver
[21:08] <bmunger> billybigrig, you have any idea either?
[21:09] <yofel> bmunger: what does 'glxinfo | grep render' give you?
[21:09] <kklimonda> hey, when I upgrade JJ to KK can I switch to grub2 completely?
[21:09] <yofel> kklimonda: yes
[21:10] <kklimonda> yofel: in semi-automatic way, without editing "weird" files?
[21:10] <yofel> kklimonda: use 'upgrade-from-grub-legacy'
[21:10] <bmunger> Mesa DRI R200
[21:11] <bmunger> wow says the module is missing, probably using vesa, just installed the xorg module for fglrx
[21:12] <kklimonda> yofel: thanks
[21:16] <bmunger> yofel: I installed the xorg fglrx module and restarted, now when it loads X it stays black and I cant switch to another terminal
[21:16] <Sarvatt> fglrx isnt working with 2.6.31 yet
[21:17] <bmunger> oh great, I just screwed myself then.
[21:17] <yofel> I guess X segfaulted. There should be an option to repair X in recovery mode
[21:17] <bmunger> alright
[21:17] <yofel> like I said, I don't know much about atk
[21:17] <Sarvatt> do you have 2.6.30-10 to fall back to?
[21:17] <bmunger> yea I think so
[21:17] <yofel> *ati
[21:17] <Sarvatt> best to stick with that for now
[21:18] <bmunger> sounds good I will give that a shot
[21:18] <bmunger> 30-8 is last I have
[21:18] <bmunger> should work
[21:19] <Sarvatt> wait R200, fglrx doesnt even support that
[21:19] <Sarvatt> sorry, should have read the whole chat log
[21:19] <bmunger> oh
[21:19] <Sarvatt> fglrx only supports R600+ now
[21:19] <bmunger> probably why that kernel doesnt help
[21:20] <Sarvatt> what kernel were you on?
[21:20] <bmunger> newest
[21:20] <bmunger> 31.2 i think
[21:20] <Sarvatt> 2.6.31-1 had radeon KMS enabled by default which doesnt have dri support in karmic yet
[21:20] <Sarvatt> so you'd want to boot with radeon.modeset=0 added to grub
[21:21] <Sarvatt> that should be fixed and you should have dri support in 2.6.31-2 but it might not be, i would add it just incase
[21:21] <bmunger> would that help with performance
[21:22] <Sarvatt> you can add it to /etc/default/grub
[21:22] <Sarvatt> in the part that says GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="something"
[21:22] <Sarvatt> just add radeon.modeset=0 to the end of it, then run sudo update-grub2 afterwards
[21:22] <Sarvatt> yeah it'll help performance ALOT
[21:23] <bmunger> removing fglrx first
[21:23] <Sarvatt> yep
[21:24] <Sarvatt> can just remove xorg.conf entirely, shouldnt need one anymore
[21:24] <Sarvatt> you'd want to uninstall fglrx from your system though
[21:28] <bmunger> Ok made the changes, rebooting
[21:29] <bmunger> it says unknown option about the modeset
[21:30] <Sarvatt> yeah thats normal, it still works
[21:30] <bmunger> ok
[21:31] <bmunger> performance is still the same
[21:31] <Sarvatt> upload a dmesg and /var/log/Xorg.0.log to pastebin?
[21:31] <dupondje> lotsa new updates today :)
[21:33] <bmunger> Sarvatt: dmesg: http://paste.ubuntu.com/211517/
[21:34] <Sarvatt> dmesg looks fine
[21:34] <bmunger> Sarvatt: Xorg: http://paste.ubuntu.com/211519/
[21:38] <Sarvatt> that looks fine too, its most likely just that the card is slow and thats the best performance you can hope to get on it right now
[21:38] <Sarvatt> one last thing, can you do a cat /proc/mtrr and pastebin that?
[21:38] <bmunger> ok
[21:39] <bmunger> Sarvatt: mtrr: http://paste.ubuntu.com/211523/
[21:40] <bmunger> I know about the mtrr issue with jaunty intel
[21:40] <Sarvatt> yep the performance is as good as you can get right now :(
[21:40] <bmunger> doesn't seem to be the same here
[21:40] <bmunger> dang
[21:40] <bmunger> it's not so nice
[21:40] <Sarvatt> are you sure it isnt any better? it should have been really messed up on 2.6.31-1
[21:40] <bmunger> I was showing it off and it just ran like crap
[21:41] <Sarvatt> does glxinfo say its using R200 or software rasterizer?
[21:41] <bmunger> well when I installed it from alpha 2, I went directly to the terminal, bypassing X, then updated and rebooted
[21:42] <bmunger> says direct rendering
[21:42] <bmunger> if thats what you mean
[21:42] <Sarvatt> the opengl renderer string
[21:43] <Sarvatt> you can have direct rendering with software rasterizer
[21:43] <Sarvatt> what you may want to do is install driconf and lower the options so its faster
[21:43] <Turl> hi, any special channel for networking/ufw support?
[21:44] <bmunger> Mesa DRI R200 AGP 4x
[21:44] <Sarvatt> set it to never sync to vblank, lower it to 16 bit depth in there
[21:44] <Sarvatt> and maybe change the TCL to prefer hardware first
[21:48] <iPoRn> any of you, have any problems trying to run "gnome-app-install" ?
[22:00] <hggdh> iPoRn, like?
[22:01] <cabrey> X seems to be crash happy. is this a known thing with UXA + intel driver?
[22:01] <cabrey> i've already submitted a few bugs for karmic, but I don't want flood launchpad...
[22:01] <iPoRn> i can't run it
[22:01] <iPoRn> it stops when finishes to read the sources.list
[22:02] <hggdh> hum. Better than what I just got -- a look on apport and g-a-i
[22:02] <hggdh> s/look/loop/
[22:02] <iPoRn> it loads all of the applications, and then it just stops with the "box" on the Sound & Video
[22:03] <hggdh> iPoRn, this is a different issue from mine. Are you up-to-date on karmic?
[22:03] <iPoRn> yes
[22:03] <iPoRn> but, i have this problem for near a month or so...
[22:04] <hggdh> perhaps time to report it?
[22:07]  * hggdh just reported mine
[22:08] <iPoRn> wasnt the command on bash: bug application ?
[22:10] <iPoRn> forget it ;x
[22:16] <Shane_Fagan> Hey im having a little problem. I was installing updates to the kernel and ubuntu went to the login screen for some reason and now I cant install the update.
[22:17] <hggdh> Shane_Fagan, on karmic?
[22:17] <Shane_Fagan> Yep
[22:18] <Shane_Fagan> Ill pastebin the error im getting
[22:18] <hggdh> probably the gdm update -- 2.26.1 had an issue (solved on -0ubuntu3) where it unilaterally closed or opened a *new* gdm session
[22:18] <Shane_Fagan> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/211534/
[22:19] <Shane_Fagan> Oh but it broke updates to the kernel
[22:19] <Shane_Fagan> So how would I be able to fix that
[22:19] <hggdh> hold on, let me see the pastebin
[22:19] <hggdh> Shane_Fagan, kernel 2.27 is *not* karmic
[22:19] <hggdh> 2.6.27, I mean
[22:19] <Shane_Fagan> I am on karmic
[22:20] <billybigrig> iPoRn: ubuntu-bug APPNAME
[22:20] <Shane_Fagan> That was just an old one I think that wasnt removed
[22:21] <iPoRn> allready submited the bug
[22:21] <Shane_Fagan> current kernel on my system is 2.6.31-1 generic
[22:21] <hggdh> Shane_Fagan, what do you have on /etc/initramfs-tools/update-initramfs.conf?
[22:21] <rww> Shane_Fagan: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2009-July/000586.html was posted to ubuntu-devel-announce today. If you're using karmic, you really should be subscribed to that list.
[22:22] <hggdh> so far it does not sound like a critical issue, Shane_Fagan. What happens after this error?
[22:22] <Shane_Fagan> I am on that list
[22:23] <Shane_Fagan> Nothing I think it already removed it
[22:23] <charlie-tca__> hggdh: I have to say if a person is running Xubuntu karmic, that gdm upgrade will cause the xserver not to start
[22:23] <Shane_Fagan> It says its not there in the error
[22:23] <rww> sudo touch /lib/modules/2.6.27-7-generic/volatile/
[22:23] <rww> sorry, mkdir, not touch
[22:23] <Shane_Fagan> Hmmm ill restart and see if that fixes it
[22:24] <hggdh> charlie-tca__, that's even worse than I thought, then...
[22:24] <charlie-tca__> seems to be an issue with the xubuntu gdm screen and the upgrade
[22:24] <hggdh> a reboot resolves it?
[22:25] <charlie-tca__> two fresh installs later, no reboot fixes it
[22:25] <hggdh> ugh!
[22:25] <charlie-tca__> The only fix I got is not to install gdm 2.26.1-0ubuntu3
[22:25] <Shane_Fagan> rww: That didnt work
[22:26] <charlie-tca__> At least it seems to limited to Xubuntu
[22:26] <Shane_Fagan> Hmm brb just going to try restarting
[22:26] <hggdh> Shane_Fagan, do you still have 2.6.27 installed?
[22:27] <billybigrig> charlie-tca__: who said not to install 0ubuntu3?
[22:27] <charlie-tca__> I did, If you are running Xubuntu
[22:27] <charlie-tca__> I did two fresh installs before I figured it out
[22:28] <hggdh> charlie-tca__, I have xfce and gnome; I was able to restart nicely on gnome. I will try xfce now
[22:28] <charlie-tca__> You are using the gnome gdm screen then
[22:28] <hggdh> and you?
[22:28] <hggdh> oh
[22:28] <hggdh> of cource
[22:28] <charlie-tca__> Xubuntu gdm screen
[22:28] <hggdh> course
[22:30] <shane_fagan> Ok no luck the restart didnt fix the problem
[22:30] <hggdh> shane_fagan, per the pastebin, your issue seems to be related to the initramfs config file
[22:30] <shane_fagan> Sure
[22:31] <hggdh> so. What do you have there?
[22:32] <shane_fagan> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/211541/
[22:33] <hggdh> shane_fagan, this is *not* what should be there!
[22:33] <hggdh> this seems like a partial sources.list
[22:33] <shane_fagan> Hmmm i didnt change anything
[22:33] <shane_fagan> Pastebin yours so i can have a look
[22:33] <robin0800> bmunger just looked at your X org log both pageflip and backing store are disabled try enabling them
[22:33] <hggdh> what version of initramfs-tools are you running?
[22:34] <shane_fagan> The update of that failed
[22:35] <hggdh> shane_fagan, http://pastebin.ca/1486141
[22:35] <hggdh> that's bizarre...
[22:37] <shane_fagan> If I add that on to my one do you think it will work?
[22:38] <hggdh> it is a good chance. I wonder what else may be hosed, though
[22:39] <shane_fagan> Nope still errors
[22:39] <shane_fagan> Hmmm the linux kernel update too isnt right
[22:39] <shane_fagan> it should be 2.6.31-2 generic
[22:40] <shane_fagan> im on -1
[22:40] <robin0800> shane_fagan that ones got a few bugs
[22:41] <shane_fagan> Yep
[22:41] <shane_fagan> Ill file a bug I think and see if a kernel developer can help
[22:42] <robin0800> shane_fagan can't you upgrade to 2
[22:42] <shane_fagan> No the gdm update made that update fail
[22:43] <hggdh> shane_fagan, the error on initramfs does not seem to be related
[22:44] <shane_fagan> I know but when gdm logged me out it broke the 2.6.31-2-generic update
[22:45] <shane_fagan> Because it was halfway through the install of the linux update when gdm logged me out
[22:45] <robin0800> shane_fagan you could try sudo dpkg --configure -a
[22:45] <shane_fagan> Did that already didnt help
[22:46] <shane_fagan> Here is the output for sudo dpkg --configure -a   http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/211554/
[22:47] <robin0800> shane_fagan sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude safe-upgrade
[22:48] <hggdh> shane_fagan, still the same error. Did you replace your /etc/initramfs/update-initramfs.conf?
[22:48] <shane_fagan> robin0800: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/211556/
[22:49] <shane_fagan> hggdh: No i didnt
[22:49] <hggdh> you will not be able to install the kernel until you do so. Your version is hosed, absolutely
[22:49] <kklimonda> erm, is it possible to set a font in evolution? o.O
[22:49] <hggdh> kklimonda, yes
[22:49] <hggdh> (or should)
[22:50] <kklimonda> hggdh: for email subjects too?
[22:50] <hggdh> ah
[22:50] <hggdh> not sure, give me a sec
[22:51] <kklimonda> the one that is default looks kinda like... poo ;)
[22:51] <hggdh> kklimonda, no, the only changes are in Edit/Preferences/Mail Prefs/General
[22:52] <hggdh> you cannot set the subject's font by itself
[22:52] <kklimonda> hggdh: I can't set it at all :/
[22:52] <casinaroyale> I just did an update and I get an error saying "The configuration defaults for GNOME Power Manager  have not been installed correctly. Contact system administrator"
[22:52] <kklimonda> btw, will KK get virtualbox 3.0?
[22:53] <kklimonda> casinaroyale: i love those "contact sysadmin" messagess
[22:53] <casinaroyale> kklimonda: I only wish I could say that
[22:54] <hggdh> kklimonda, just checked on Evo, and even on gconf only these two fonts can be set
[22:54] <kklimonda> hggdh: good lord..
[22:54] <kklimonda> this default font is the ugliest font i've seen in my life o.O
[22:55] <hggdh> kklimonda, what happens on Edit/Prefs/Mail Prefs/General?
[22:55] <hggdh> (the default is Gnome's)
[22:55] <kklimonda> I have changed them both
[22:55] <kklimonda> it worked for messages
[22:55] <kklimonda> but not for subjects..
[22:56] <kklimonda> which is weird
[22:56] <hggdh> indeed
[22:56] <shane_fagan> hggdh: Give me your entire initramfs config file please
[22:57] <hggdh> shane_fagan, just the update-initramfs.conf -- see http://pastebin.ca/1486141
[22:57] <kklimonda> hggdh: it uses default fixed width font no matter what you set in Mail Prefs/General :/
[22:58] <hggdh> kklimonda, OK. I was trying on Evo git. Let me run evo 2.26
[22:58] <kklimonda> which would be fine.. but for some reason it doesn't use the font size that is set..
[22:59] <Q-FUNK> the 2.6.31 kernel oopses during bootup, near the end of the initrd loading. (both -1 and -2 oops).  how would I go about logging what happens to help the kernel team debug this?
[22:59] <hggdh> (and bllody evo git is barfing when I change the font :-(
[23:00] <kklimonda> hggdh: btw - do you know if evo devs are working on some major overhaul of gui? :/
[23:01] <hggdh> kklimonda, there is work in progress for taking out bonobo, and there is anjal -- an evolution for the netbook. But I am not aware of a gui overhaul
[23:02] <hggdh> *very* not cool. Now my Evo 2.26.3 crashed
[23:09] <Q-FUNK> ah, it seems that the last 2.6.30 works, so the regression must be since 2.6.31
[23:10] <hggdh> kklimonda, but I *did* change the fonts, and I did *not* see the changes
[23:11] <kklimonda> hggdh: I think you have to restart Evolution for changes to take the effect
[23:12] <hggdh> I did... will do it again, though (last one crashed)
[23:12] <kklimonda> hggdh: also as I said - the font used to display subjects in messages list can't be changed and the default one is used..
[23:12] <kklimonda> (the one set in gnome settings..)
[23:14] <hggdh> kklimonda, I confirm. Care to open a bug?
[23:15] <hggdh> but I wonder if this has been reported already... will look upstream
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[23:18] <BUGabundo> guud evening
[23:18] <hggdh> hey BUGabundo
[23:18] <BUGabundo> right as usual
[23:18] <BUGabundo> hggdh: preciso de falar ctg
[23:18] <hggdh> pvt?
[23:19] <BUGabundo> -pt
[23:19] <hggdh> k
[23:22] <kklimonda> hey BUGabundo
[23:22] <yofel> hey BUGabundo
[23:23] <BUGabundo> hey guys! missed you!
[23:23] <BUGabundo> very long day today :(
[23:31] <billybigrig> http://pastebin.com/f6696511a
[23:31] <billybigrig> someone want to look at the bottom, where there's the GSPCA error
[23:31] <billybigrig> thats when i fire up cheese, my webcam light goes on, but the cheese screen is all purple garbage
[23:32] <billybigrig> this has been going on ever since .31 for me and i can't figure out how to get it workign
[23:35] <BUGabundo> new kernel coming down the tubes?
[23:35] <billybigrig> yeah
[23:35] <BUGabundo> billybigrigu need to talk to gspca mantainer
[23:35] <billybigrig> how do i find the maintainer?
[23:35] <BUGabundo> AFAIK most of them broke on .31
[23:35] <BUGabundo> mine too
[23:35] <billybigrig> yeah
[23:35] <billybigrig> .30 worked great
[23:35] <BUGabundo> I think he his known as maltoso
[23:36] <billybigrig> .28 didn't work at all in jaunty
[23:36] <yofel> BUGabundo: new gdm as well, updated already?
[23:36] <BUGabundo> I'll ask my webcm driver dev
[23:36] <billybigrig> i was surprised when it worked right away in karmic
[23:36] <BUGabundo> still in queue yofel
[23:36] <billybigrig> BUGabundo: read the devel-annouce email before upgrading gdm
[23:36] <BUGabundo> let me finish UM updates, and ill check aptitude
[23:36] <yofel> BUGabundo: read the mail from martin on devel-announce about gdm?
[23:36] <BUGabundo> billybigrig 300 emails before I get there :(
[23:36] <billybigrig> haha
[23:37] <billybigrig> logout and trop to tty from gdm
[23:37] <BUGabundo> please post a direct link
[23:37] <billybigrig> then apt-get update, check that your upgrading gdm to ubuntu3
[23:37] <billybigrig> k
[23:37] <billybigrig> theres on in the forums
[23:37] <billybigrig> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1205763
[23:39] <hggdh> BUGabundo, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2009-July/000586.html
[23:40] <BUGabundo> taking a kick look at my mail threads I don't see an email from martin :(
[23:43] <BUGabundo> goodie... shuter upgrade broken
[23:47] <BUGabundo> The following packages have been kept back:  gdm python-ubuntuone-client{a} ubuntuone-client ubuntuone-client-gnome
[23:48] <BUGabundo> yofel: so I guess I still don't get the new GDM
[23:48] <BUGabundo> I better look at the reason behind this
[23:49] <yofel> hm, ubuntuone is held back here as well... but gdm shouldn't... unless you still have fast-user-switch-thing installed
[23:49] <billybigrig> check the version
[23:49] <billybigrig> gdm might still be ubuntu2
[23:49] <billybigrig> wait until it shows ubuntu3 and dist-upgrade
[23:50] <billybigrig> what repo are you using? might be slow in updating
[23:51] <yofel> ah, now ubuntuone is upgradable as well..
[23:53] <BUGabundo> ii  gdm                       2.20.10-0ubuntu5
[23:54] <billybigrig> hmm
[23:54] <BUGabundo>   Installed: 2.20.10-0ubuntu5
[23:54] <BUGabundo>   Candidate: 2.26.1-0ubuntu3
[23:54] <Sarvatt> someone needs to dist-upgrade :D
[23:54] <yofel> BUGabundo: got fast-user-switch still installed?
[23:54] <Sarvatt> (do it from a VT though)
[23:54] <BUGabundo> Sarvatt: been using aptitude safe-upgrade
[23:54] <BUGabundo> no package kept back before, for so long
[23:55] <BUGabundo> yofel: think so. I see it there
[23:55] <Sarvatt> safe-upgrade wont let it remove fast-user-switch-applet that it needs to remove to upgrade
[23:55] <BUGabundo> ahhhh
[23:55] <BUGabundo> but it's the 1st time!
[23:55] <BUGabundo> I've seen it remove lots of other packages
[23:56] <Sarvatt> not packages that were pulled in by ubuntu-desktop
[23:56] <BUGabundo> The following packages have been kept back:
[23:56] <BUGabundo>   gdm python-ubuntuone-client{a} ubuntuone-client ubuntuone-client-gnome
[23:56] <BUGabundo> The following NEW packages will be installed:
[23:56] <BUGabundo>   linux-headers-2.6.31-2{a} linux-headers-2.6.31-2-generic{a} linux-image-2.6.31-2-generic{a}
[23:56] <BUGabundo> The following packages will be REMOVED:
[23:56] <BUGabundo>   geoclue{u} geoclue-hostip{u} geoclue-localnet{u} geoclue-manual{u} libgeoclue0{u}
[23:56] <Sarvatt> those were from an empathy upgrade, nothing essential
[23:57]  * BUGabundo wonder why terminal-root opened on it self during an upgrade !!!
[23:57] <yofel> I personally never use safe-upgrade, I always start aptitude full - easier to resolve conflicts that way
[23:57] <BUGabundo> oh wait, it was terminator. wth
[23:57] <yofel> terminal-root o.O
[23:57] <BUGabundo> yofel: gnome-terminal as root, yes... but no it was terminator
[23:58] <BUGabundo> same read console icon :(
[23:59] <BUGabundo> Sarvatt: http://paste.ubuntu.com/211581/ aptitude full is sooo not a good idea :|
[23:59] <Sarvatt> bugabundo thats normal and fine