[00:16] <SiDi> http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/8243/capture2a.png
[00:16] <SiDi> knome: i wish that was possible :/
[00:17] <knome> what?
[00:17] <SiDi> knome: the menubar
[00:19] <knome> SiDi, isn't it? :P
[00:19] <SiDi> knome: ? :O
[00:21] <knome> meh
[00:27] <SiDi> i dont think it can be done for now
[00:27] <SiDi> would need some :first and :last for the GtkMenuBarItem's
[00:32] <knome> right.
[09:53] <zniavre> hello / bonjour
[09:54] <zniavre> there is a tool to test/try metacity theme as twf or gtkperf ?
[14:39] <macvr> thorwil: hi... Is the second folder version not correct either? or is it better than first?
[14:40] <thorwil> macvr: eh, on submissions or discuss?
[14:41] <macvr> submissions & discussion are both same , discussions is just a link from deviant art
[14:42] <macvr> thorwil: Cory had said it was too square , so made it a rectangle
[14:42] <thorwil> this? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/BreatheIconSet/Submissions?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=folder.png
[14:43] <macvr> yup
[14:43] <thorwil> macvr: proportions are better
[14:43] <macvr> :)
[14:44] <thorwil> macvr: i think you are wasting your time continuing with the folder
[14:44] <macvr> thorwil: na... this is my last try...
[14:46] <macvr> thorwil: i just felt that Andrew's folder was too much of a rip-off of the oxygen theme hence i tried this , in smaller sizes it almost looks like the orange oxygen-refit . ... if he doesnt accept i'll just add it as a breathe-refit to deviant art/gnome-look ;p
[14:46] <SiDi> then why not keep the first one ? *hides*
[14:47] <macvr> SiDi: that is a better option :)
[14:52] <macvr> SiDi: http://files.getdropbox.com/u/1325768/ufolder.svg
[14:54] <SiDi> thats a nice 404
[14:54] <macvr> SiDi: oops > http://files.getdropbox.com/u/1325768/folder.png
[15:06] <macvr> ruslanr: how did you send it as a channel notice!
[15:06] <macvr> man i got to know more irc commands:(
[15:07] <SiDi> macvr: epicfailed
[15:07] <SiDi> he actually pm'd you
[15:07] <SiDi> and you said "hey man you pm'd me"
[15:07] <macvr> SiDi: : he didnt pm me!
[15:09] <knome> ...
[16:13] <macvr> thorwil: http://files.getdropbox.com/u/1325768/folder%20%28copy%29.png , your thoughts on this folder , not for breathe , but in general
[16:15] <SiDi_> there is a perspective problem macvr
[16:15] <SiDi_> i find the right side a bit too long
[16:15] <macvr> SiDi_: its not mine... :)
[16:15] <SiDi_> and the little thing in the bottom right dosnt have a good perspective
[16:15] <macvr> but just wanted thorwil's views
[16:17] <SiDi_> ok, tell it that you dont care about me :(
[16:18] <macvr> SiDi: something is wrong with it , its just that thorwil points things out exactly...
[16:18] <macvr> SiDi: nothing against your or your views ;p
[16:19] <macvr> SiDi: i care about mice... :)
[16:21] <macvr> SiDi: btw how is the progress about using your wallpaper as the default for xubuntu9.10 ?
[16:21] <SiDi> macvr: err, there is little chance
[16:21] <SiDi> we care about having users, you see
[16:22] <macvr> SiDi: knome has given you full support , so there might be a chance ;p
[16:22] <SiDi> macvr: im actually working on a theme :p
[16:22] <SiDi> but not for xubuntu
[16:22] <macvr> SiDi:  that blue is too loud
[16:23] <macvr> SiDi: you might wan to reduce the saturation or something
[16:23] <SiDi> macvr: its damn volunteer :]
[16:23] <macvr> ;p
[16:25] <SiDi> http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/3808/capture2z.png macvr
[16:25] <SiDi> only the panel will be changed
[16:25] <SiDi> currently on it
[16:27] <SiDi> macvr: i really don't see where there is too much blue *hides*
[16:27] <macvr> SiDi: i like the color of the progress bars , But the title bar and menu bar are too bright/loud
[16:28] <SiDi> its chromium's colours
[16:28] <SiDi> guess the name of the theme :D
[16:30] <macvr> SiDi: maybe using the inactive window colors > http://www.google.com/chrome , thats much better
[16:31] <SiDi> the linux version has only one color for now
[16:31] <SiDi> but if they do it i'll change my xfwm for inactive windows ^.^
[16:31] <macvr> ;p
[16:51] <thorwil> macvr: shadow is a joke, the gloss is cheap, the perspective not quite right
[16:52] <macvr> thorwil: gloss! i was wondering how the hell it made sense!
[16:52] <macvr> thanx
[16:52] <thorwil> lol
[16:53] <macvr> i was wondering if you might find a way to explain it :) ,\o/
[16:53] <macvr> but it really makes no sense!
[16:54] <thorwil> macvr: oh, and listen to SiDi and be more careful with his feelings!
[16:55] <macvr> thorwil: sure... i'll feed the mice more cheese
[16:58] <SiDi> thorwil: lol.. :)
[17:08] <macvr> SiDi: actually that line got cut it was supposed to be a single line  , but reading it separately, it sounds rude :( , its just that i dont type that fast...
[17:56] <SiDi> does anyone who does gtk theming know about red lines appearing in FF's toolbar ?
[17:56] <SiDi> i cant find out where they come from
[19:39] <psyke83> hi
[20:36] <thorwil> flickr always renames files, right?
[20:42] <dashua> hey psyke83
[20:55] <psyke83> hey
[21:00] <dashua> How's Humanity coming along?
[21:00] <dashua> I saw some talk from artir i.e. to new theming framework for Karmic, but have not yet heard anything official.
[21:00] <dashua> On the forums
[21:06] <SiDi> dashua: hello
[21:06] <SiDi> whats up ?
[21:06] <dashua> Heya SiDi
[21:06] <dashua> Not much
[21:07] <dashua> Reveling in my new theme with Breathe.  It makes me feel warm and fuzzy inside.
[21:08] <SiDi> wow, so much ?
[21:08] <SiDi> dashua: i finished my first gtk theme today :)
[21:08] <dashua> I saw.  It looks good.
[21:08] <dashua> BUT
[21:08] <dashua> It's blue =/
[21:08] <artir> dashua: you can ask kwwii :)
[21:09] <dashua> artir: Oh nice.
[21:10] <SiDi> dashua: yeh, its blue :D
[21:10] <dashua> Hehe
[21:10] <SiDi> i might do a green version with less aggressive colours
[21:10] <SiDi> but im not good with brown
[21:10] <dashua> Green would be nice
[21:11] <dashua> I'm not having much luck here with gnome-shell.  It doesn't want to run for me.
[21:11] <SiDi> i never tried it:)
[21:11] <dashua> I just wanted to test it out.
[21:11] <psyke83> dashua: I sent the updates to Ken, not sure if the updates are getting included or not
[21:11] <SiDi> i didnt use gnome since intrepid actually :s
[21:11] <dashua> =/
[21:12] <dashua> Humanity is a nice improvement from Human (Human-Murrine)
[21:12] <SiDi> well, im having low bandwidth most of the time now
[21:12] <SiDi> so i didnt update my desktop since december
[21:12] <dashua> I'm having some issue now as well.  Verizon is not working well for me.
[21:12] <SiDi> got a link to it, dashua ? :)
[21:12] <SiDi> verizon restricts bandwidth for bittorrent users now, doesnt it ?
[21:13] <dashua> My phone is crackling and constant disconnecting
[21:13] <dashua> The PPA?
[21:13] <SiDi> a link to it so  i can see it:D
[21:13] <dashua> Gnome-shell?
[21:14] <SiDi> no, humanity
[21:14] <dashua> Oh, it's on the forums
[21:14] <dashua> One sec
[21:15] <psyke83> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1168984
[21:15] <dashua> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1168984&highlight=humanity
[21:15] <psyke83> snap :P
[21:15] <dashua> Hehe
[21:15] <psyke83> I think you need to be logged in even to see the previews
[21:16] <dashua> psyke83: Did you see the theme I posted on the wiki?
[21:16] <dashua> Any suggestions?
[21:18] <SiDi> i cant even see the difference with human :p
[21:18] <SiDi> but im too lazy to download it :(
[21:19] <dashua> SiDi: Why are going to the dark with Blue? ;p
[21:19] <SiDi> dashua: cause im on xubuntu ;[
[21:19] <knome> lol
[21:19] <dashua> Chrome does look pretty sweet on Vista/Windows 7
[21:19] <knome> we are not tied to blue and dark
[21:20] <dashua> The Xubuntu default background is actually quite nice
[21:20] <dashua> But it is blue.
[21:20] <SiDi> knome: by dark he meant evil :(
[21:21] <knome> hah
[21:21] <knome> dashua, it can be easily converted to eg. pink as it's svg
[21:21] <dashua> Oh dark side*
[21:21] <dashua> Missed a word
[21:21] <SiDi> knome: a pink mouse ? :D
[21:21] <knome> well some people prefer pink to blue
[21:22] <dashua> SiDi: How does this render for you?  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Karmic/Human-Redux
[21:23] <dashua> Should the menu_item be darker?
[21:23] <macvr> dashua: i suggested SiDi, to maybe using the inactive window colors > http://www.google.com/chrome , thats much better , but he just loves the blue ;p
[21:24] <SiDi> dashua: no :p
[21:24] <psyke83> dashua: Human-Redux, you mean?
[21:24] <SiDi> dashua: but i think you could make the menu background (not menubar) a bit lighter
[21:24] <SiDi> just a little
[21:24] <dashua> That actually looks good.  Aero makes it look even better.
[21:24] <dashua> SiDi: Yeah, Redux
[21:24] <dashua> Ok
[21:24] <SiDi> i like the selected_bg color
[21:24] <SiDi> and the progress bars
[21:25] <SiDi> but the contrast on the progress bar is a bit big compared to the one on the scrollbars
[21:25] <dashua> Yeah, nodoka does those pretty sweet
[21:25] <dashua> Scale too
[21:25] <SiDi> did you try adding a bit of orange to the toggled buttons ? :)
[21:25] <dashua> I may change that over to nodoka as well
[21:25] <dashua> Yes
[21:25] <dashua> The prelights on most are orange
[21:25] <SiDi> macvr: its not about loving or not. it's the awesomish color of chromium's menubar
[21:25] <dashua> salmon
[21:26] <macvr> SiDi: ;p awesome gives me an eyesore ;p
[21:26] <SiDi> http://www.gnome-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=2&id=108046&file1=108046-1.jpg&file2=108046-2.png&file3=&name=Chromium+GTK+%2B+XFWM macvr
[21:27] <dashua> SiDi: http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/17991/screenshot_007_Ffl62Z.png
[21:27] <dashua> This scale is much better than murrine
[21:27] <SiDi> dashua: did you ever experience some red toolbar separators / red line in the tabs widget in firefox while theming ?
[21:27] <psyke83> dashua: it's nice... I would lighten the gradient on the toolbar, make sure the selected_bg_color is consistent (it seems the checkbox, progressbar and scrollbars are all different), and I'm not personally a fan of the nodoka-style tabs (with the colour gradient on the tab), but that's just personal preference of course ;)
[21:27] <SiDi> dashua: ouch, sexy scale indeed
[21:27] <dashua> On entry yeah
[21:27] <dashua> I thought that was a firefox bug
[21:27] <SiDi> dashua: how did you fix it ? :O
[21:28] <dashua> psyke83: Thx
[21:28] <dashua> SiDi: Mozilla was supposed to fix it.  What version of FF?
[21:28] <dashua> 3.5 was supposed to fix that
[21:28] <dashua> It was offset
[21:29] <psyke83> it reminds me of the newhuman-light I was working on before: http://connogriofa.googlepages.com/NewHuman-Light.png
[21:29] <SiDi> 3.5
[21:29] <SiDi> so many human forks ^.^
[21:29] <macvr> psyke83: why does the highlight have a dark line underneath?
[21:30] <dashua> psyke83: That's funny.  I forked it off of my Hanso theme and originally called Redux Hanso-Light
[21:30] <psyke83> macvr: where are you seeing that?
[21:30] <macvr> psyke83: below the orange highlight.. the 1px black line
[21:31] <psyke83> macvr: on the newhuman-light or humanity theme?
[21:31] <SiDi> btw if anyone wanna make a metacity theme for my gtk theme let me knowXD
[21:31] <macvr> psyke83: new human light
[21:32] <macvr> is there a way to remove it , I havent figured it out :(
[21:33] <psyke83> I don't see any dark line, what widget are you seeing it in the widget factory, for example?
[21:34] <macvr> psyke83: the shot you posted > http://connogriofa.googlepages.com/NewHuman-Light.png , just immediately below the title bar orange highlight 1px black line which fades to the outer on either side
[21:35] <psyke83> macvr: on the metacity decoration, directly above the window title "The Widget Factor"? I'm on a CRT monitor, so it may be more difficult for me to see what you're talking about
[21:36] <psyke83> *Factory
[21:36] <macvr> psyke83: yes, exactly
[21:38] <psyke83> that's using the same metacity decoration as DarkRoom (it was called NewHuman at the time I was working on this particular theme), so it's probably defined in the metacity xml somewhere
[21:38] <macvr> psyke83: that line from dark room , i never did figure it out.. in the end gave up..
[21:38] <macvr> yes
[21:38] <psyke83> one sec
[21:47] <psyke83> macvr: line 229 of the metacity xml
[21:47]  * macvr checking
[21:47] <psyke83> it's bg[SELECTED]/.5 (can't quote exactly, one different pc)
[21:47] <psyke83> *on
[21:49] <macvr> psyke83: ah.... thank you...
[21:50] <psyke83> no problem
[21:50] <macvr> i was searching for that line and had given up experimenting, since whenever i change my theme my firefox crashes :(
[21:54] <psyke83> macvr: create a custom application launcher shortcut for "metacity --replace", that's how I test metacity theme changes quickly
[21:54] <psyke83> you should disable compiz, though
[21:55] <macvr> compiz is why i didnt create the launcher :(
[21:55] <macvr> but I'm a small themer , unlike you :)
[21:55] <psyke83> you could try gtk-window-decorator --replace, never tried it, though
[21:55] <psyke83> I'm not experienced with theming either ;)
[21:56] <macvr> ^ ah , should try gtk
[21:58] <macvr> psyke83: ah... looks better without that line :)  I had been itching to remove it for a long time !
[22:26] <dashua_> I apologize for my connectivity.  I'm about to chew some ass.
[22:26] <knome> ass?!
[22:26] <macvr> ^hehe i read it as "chew some GRass"
[22:27] <dashua_> Ha
[22:27] <knome> i don't know which one is worse.. ;)