[07:15] <pitti> Good morning
[07:21] <ajmitch> morning pitti
[07:25] <TheMuso> Hey pitti.
[07:32] <pitti> hey guys! had a nice weekend?
[07:33] <TheMuso> Yes thanks.
[07:36] <pitti> dobey: can you please fix your upstream ubunutone-client bzr/tarballs license-wise and do a new upload to REVU (or just point me to the source package)?
[09:57] <crevette> heya
[10:01] <crevette> hello pitti
[10:02]  * crevette looked at GDM upstream bugs list and cried
[10:03] <crevette> 55 patches unreviewed
[10:33] <huats> morning
[10:34] <seb128_> hey there
[10:34] <seb128_> GUADEC internet is not so good
[10:35] <crevette> hello seb128
[11:18]  * asac has focus issues in karmic
[11:19] <asac> seb128_: hi. hope you enjoy the conference (and the beach ;))
[11:19] <asac> seb128_: wonder if we should file a bug about apt-get upgrade resetting/crashing X - or is that even fixed?
[11:43] <Keybuk> pitti: I have the *best* gdm bug EVAH
[11:43] <Keybuk> it logs me out after 5-10 minutes ;)
[11:45] <pochu> that's the new typing-break from gnome-keyboard-properties :-)
[12:02] <crevette> Keybuk, me too
[12:03] <crevette> could you look on TT1 if you have weird caracters on the console?
[12:03] <Keybuk> yes
[12:04] <crevette> Keybuk, are you logged you or the session has crashed?
[12:06] <Keybuk> crevette: ?
[12:09] <crevette> Keybuk, are you only logged off or the session has crashed?
[12:10] <Keybuk> crevette: what's the difference?
[12:10] <Keybuk> it looks like a crash to me because I get bailed to the console
[12:11] <crevette> when you logged off, you can connect to your existing session (with you applications running ), when it has crashed, a new session is created
[12:12] <Keybuk> there are no apps running as my user
[12:12] <crevette> okay so I think we have the same problem, for me I can stay more than 5 minutes, it seesm it happened when I open a web browser and type some text in the url bar
[12:12] <Keybuk> once it's happened once, it doesn't happen again
[12:15] <geser> Keybuk: welcome to bug 395595
[12:16] <crevette> thanks geser
[12:17] <geser> asac: the upgrade problem is already filed as bug 395313
[12:25] <asac> geser: thanks
[12:46] <pitti> geser, Keybuk: I'm currently tackling bug 395313
[12:46] <pitti> but I didn't see 395595
[12:59] <asac> thats low prio?
[13:00] <pitti> asac: I'll fix the "always restarts gdm/kills session on upgrade" bug
[13:00] <pitti> I also have a handle on bug 395595 I think
[13:00] <asac> great
[13:01] <pitti> give me an hour or two, I'm on gdm bug fixing rave :)
[13:01] <asac> rock on.
[13:01] <asac> i already wondered how to start debugging this ;)
[13:06] <mvo> they ArneGoetje - would you mind if I convert language-selector from glade to gtkbuilder? you will probably not notice anything, its just a exchange of the object that wraps it (SimpleGtkbuilder instead of SmpleGladeApp) and adding a .ui file that is done with glade-3 ?
[13:08] <TheMuso> mvo: How much work/what is the process to change an app from glade to GTK builder?
[13:08] <TheMuso> Is it documented anywhere?
[13:09] <pochu> TheMuso: have a look at http://live.gnome.org/GnomeGoals/RemoveLibGladeUseGtkBuilder
[13:09] <TheMuso> pochu: Thanks
[13:14] <mvo> TheMuso: its pretty painless in my experience
[13:14] <mvo> TheMuso: most of my stuff uses a small wrapper called SimpleGladeApp and I ported that to gtkbuilder. so it mostly .glade->.ui and exchanging that file :)
[13:14] <TheMuso> ah ok
[13:39] <pitti> mvo: current gdm's prerm file is really bad
[13:39] <pitti> mvo: I fixed init script handling in gdm 0ubuntu3
[13:40] <pitti> is there a way for 0ubuntu3 to say "don't call 0ubuntu2's prerm on upgrade"?
[13:40] <pitti> since that will kill gdm install and your X session, leaving you with a broken gdm
[13:42] <mvo> pitti: uh, that is tricky, the old-prerm is called first, so if that kills X ...
[13:42] <pitti> mvo: ah, so no chance to do something in preinst?
[13:42] <pitti> ok, then we have to live with that, I guess
[13:43] <pitti> the next dist-upgrade will screw your system, and then you need to reinstall gdm
[13:43] <mvo> my initial thought was to rm the old-prerm in the preinst, but I don't think it will work
[13:43] <pitti> I'll write to u-d-a@ then
[13:43] <pitti> mvo: I only need to disable invoke-rc.d, so I wouldn't even need to rm
[13:44] <mvo> its the invoke-rc.d gdm stop that kills it?
[13:44] <mvo> we could hack invoke-rc.d so that it has a check for gdm stop, but that would be a heavy hammer
[13:45] <geser> pitti: looking at http://women.debian.org/wiki/English/MaintainerScripts there seems to be no way to do something before the old prerm gets executed
[13:45] <pitti> ok, thanks guys
[13:46] <mvo> aptdaemon will make it all better, a crashing frontend will not affect the install (or at least it should not)
[14:30] <dobey> pitti, Riddell: is there any sane reason why I can't do "blah blah blah, here is the full text of the license: " with CC-By-SA while I can with GPL?
[14:31] <pitti> dobey: I thought the problem was that the orig.tar.gz doesn't ship a copy of the CC license?
[14:31] <pitti> or was it in debian/copyright?
[14:31] <dobey> COPYING.icons
[14:31] <pitti> perhaps he just overlooked that
[14:31] <dobey> pitti: Riddell was saying i needed the full text in debian/copyright
[14:32] <pitti> ah, because we don't ship CC in /usr/share/common-licenses
[14:32] <pitti> for GPL, BSD, etc. we do, thus a reference to those is enough
[14:32] <dobey> pitti: should i put the COPYING.icons in debian/docs then?
[14:32] <pitti> no, the license into debian/copyright
[14:32] <pitti> (verbatim)
[14:32] <dobey> sigh
[14:38] <rickspencer3> pitti: hi ... I suppose we may was well cancel the team meeting for tomorrow ... thoughts/
[14:55] <dobey> E: ubuntuone-client source: not-binnmuable-any-depends-any ubuntuone-client-gnome -> ubuntuone-client
[14:55] <dobey> pitti: what does that even mean?
[14:55] <crevette> http://lintian.debian.org/tags/not-binnmuable-any-depends-any.html
[14:56]  * crevette is a google bot
[15:00] <pitti> dobey: you can ignore it, it doesn't apply for Ubuntu
[15:00] <pitti> dobey: technically, you should't use exact version dependencies for an arch:all pacakge to an arch:any pacakge
[15:01] <pitti> binNMUs are a Debianism only (right now anyway), so don't worry
[15:02] <Laney> lintian -i will give you a full description of what the errors mean too
[15:03] <Laney> dobey: ^
[15:03] <dobey> pitti: it was because one of the packages was any but should have been all, it seems :)
[15:03] <pitti> rickspencer3: not sure, are there so many people on the summit? I thought about having one, even if it's short
[15:03] <rickspencer3> pitti: ok
[15:03] <pitti> dobey: even better, if they don't have arch dependent stuff
[15:04] <pitti> rickspencer3: how are you and how's DS?
[15:04] <dobey> pitti: nope, it's just python and config files
[15:04] <rickspencer3> pitti: you'll need to drive it though ... I have time to cancel it, but not organize it ;)
[15:04] <rickspencer3> we are having fun, and learning, and meeting a lot of people
[15:04] <pitti> rickspencer3: of course, I planned to
[15:04] <rickspencer3> and no one is sunburned ;)
[15:05]  * pitti uploads a "fix me harder" gdm
[15:06] <rickspencer3> pitti: fyi - I'm going to be out the rest of this week
[15:06] <rickspencer3> I'm gong through and deleting meetings
[15:06] <pitti> :)
[15:09] <dobey> pitti, Riddell: just uploaded new ubuntuone-client with those fixes to REVU
[15:19] <pitti> dobey: cool
[15:31] <asac> pitti: last ffox 3.5 proposed bug was now verified: 331654
[15:32] <pitti> asac, bryce, ArneGoetje, ccheney: fancy having a meeting tomorrow or shall we just skip it? (half of the team is on the desktop summit)
[15:35] <asac> either way is fine for me
[15:59] <ccheney> pitti: i'm off tomorrow
[15:59] <pitti> ok, sounds like we should just skip it
[15:59] <ccheney> pitti: or at least i requested off rickspencer3 hasn't approved it yet
[15:59] <pitti> and discuss stuff by mail
[16:00]  * ccheney thinks he is probably pretty busy in gran canaria
[16:00] <pitti> ccheney: right, should be fine to retroactively approve it later :)
[16:00] <rickspencer3> ccheney: i ok'ed it, but notice it didn't go through
[16:00] <rickspencer3> no worries
[16:00] <ccheney> rickspencer3: ok
[16:01] <pitti> dobey: u1-client uploaded, thanks for fixing
[16:01] <rickspencer3> yeah!
[16:02] <pitti> asac: marked as v-done
[16:03] <pitti> asac: so this should go to jaunty-security or -updates?
[16:03] <asac> pitti: to -security and then to -updates i guess (as we usually do for -security)
[16:04] <asac> thx
[16:05] <pitti> ok, I guess the security team needs to do that then, for USN and all?
[16:05] <dobey> pitti: thanks for all the help :)
[16:06] <pitti> dobey: thanks for bearing with us :)
[16:08] <asac> pitti: its universe, so there is no USN
[16:08] <asac> but i will poke jdstrand
[16:08] <pitti> ah, ok
[16:09] <asac> pitti: i think he wants your ack
[16:09] <asac> pitti: maybe he wanted to see this in -updates first and then copy it to -security ;)
[16:09] <asac> but let me check
[16:09] <pitti> asac: sent my ack, and let me know how he wants this to be handled
[16:09] <asac> yep
[16:10] <pitti> see #u-devel
[16:13] <kenvandine> hey pitti
[16:13] <pitti> hey kenvandine
[16:13] <kenvandine> so trying to package this stuff up created by quickly
[16:14] <pitti> kenvandine: empathy dependency trail never ends :(
[16:14] <kenvandine> it isn't including the python files :)
[16:14] <kenvandine> oh crap
[16:14] <kenvandine> geoclue was axed... what now?
[16:14] <pitti> kenvandine: which python files?
[16:14] <pitti> kenvandine: I updated the bug; butterfly
[16:14] <kenvandine> the ones in the python subdir
[16:14] <pitti> not sure wheter we want it
[16:14] <kenvandine> oh... pymsn?
[16:14] <kenvandine> we do...
[16:14] <kenvandine> imho
[16:14] <pitti> kenvandine: can you please file a bug against p-distutils-extra about it with a test case?
[16:14] <kenvandine> that is where the attention is
[16:14] <kenvandine> yeah
[16:14] <kenvandine> actually
[16:14] <kenvandine> maybe i am not up2date :)
[16:15] <pitti> kenvandine: does that subdir have an __init__.py?
[16:15] <kenvandine> doh!
[16:15] <pitti> (also, it sholdn't be called "python", but like the python package name)
[16:15] <kenvandine> i know
[16:15] <kenvandine> just explained that to rick
[16:15] <pitti> but python packages need an __init__.py
[16:16]  * kenvandine should have noticed
[16:16] <pitti> python modules are currently searched only in the source root
[16:16] <pitti> if we want p-d-e to look for modules (not packages) in subdirs, we need to establish a convention
[16:31] <rickspencer3> pitti: hey
[16:32] <rickspencer3> what does this mean:
[16:32] <rickspencer3>    gtk ... [dpkg -S found more than one package: python-gtk2, python-apt, language-selector, apturl, software-properties-gtk; ignoring] [not found]
[16:32] <rickspencer3> ?
[16:32] <pitti> rickspencer3: it means that it cannot figure out the dependency for the "gtk" python module
[16:33] <pitti> rickspencer3: I thought I fixed that in version 2.4?
[16:33] <rickspencer3> pitti: perhaps I need to update
[16:35] <rickspencer3> pitti: it looks like I'm running 2.4
[16:38] <pitti> rickspencer3: did you install from karmic or build from my branch?
[16:38] <rickspencer3> pitti: your branch
[16:39] <pitti> rickspencer3: ok, sounds like a bug then; mind filing one with that output and the code you are building?
[16:39] <rickspencer3> pitti: n/p
[16:39] <rickspencer3> asap, maybe tonight or tomorrow though
[16:40] <rickspencer3> pitti: before I do that, I should install from your last known good
[16:40] <pitti> rickspencer3: you should have the current version
[16:41] <pitti> rickspencer3: doesn't really matter for now, it should work anyway
[16:41] <rickspencer3> https://edge.launchpad.net/%7Epitti/+archive/ppa/+sourcepub/663833/+listing-archive-extra
[16:41] <pitti> rickspencer3: assuming that you have python-gtk installed
[16:47] <robert_ancell> bryce, Is there any pending uploads for -ati drivers and the latest kernel?  I'm getting "(EE) RADEON(0): [dri] RADEONDRIGetVersion failed because of a version mismatch."
[17:52] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: (hi!) out of curiosity, how did you find the renamed option in gnome-screensaver?
[18:06] <pitti> good night everyone!
[18:34] <jbarnes> pitti: ping
[18:35] <jbarnes> pitti: just wondering if you can gdb your i915.o and do a "list *intel_update_watermarks+0xcf"
[19:47] <macvr> hi... does the desktop team/mailing list also involve in the usability issues of UNR?
[19:57] <macvr> ah...just now i was reminded about the mobile team!
[20:17] <chrisccoulson> hi didrocks
[20:18] <chrisccoulson> i just ran gnome-screensaver --debug and watched the console output. gnome-screensaver-dialog pipes its output back to gnome-screensaver, which made debugging a bit easier than i expected
[20:18] <chrisccoulson> when i volunteered to debug it, i was expecting to spend an entire weekend on it ;)
[20:19] <chrisccoulson> i was pleasantly surprised
[21:14] <SiDi> pitti: hello. Do you know what happened to this bug : https://bugs.launchpad.net/gnome-power/+bug/329296 ?
[23:27] <james_w> gdm calling ck-history --frequent isn't pretty IMO