| asac | thats one of th reasons why we currently think about how to best reorganize stuff | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| micahg | ok | 00:01 |
| asac | i want to stop the inflationary team creation... but also inflationary ppa creation | 00:01 |
| micahg | let me know if I can help | 00:01 |
| asac | thats why we need to carefully thinka bout the key services we want to provide outside the main archive | 00:01 |
| asac | and reduce them to a minimum | 00:01 |
| asac | i think my laptop battery just got a bad hit | 00:11 |
| asac | jumped down from 65% to 5% and then went off ;) | 00:11 |
| BUGabundo | ehehehe | 00:11 |
| WebcamWonder | fta: There? | 00:26 |
| WebcamWonder | fta: Just an FYI, if it didn't catch your eye, but the thunderbird daily builds are failing b/c of one of the patches no longer directly compatible with the source. And the version currently published is broken in the sense that it doesn't work at all (atleast for me) | 00:30 |
| * micahg was wondering why FF3.5 was so slow, it turned out my cpu was stuck at 500mHz | 00:45 | |
| micahg | ping asac bug 365965 | 07:38 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 365965 in ubufox "Firefox3.5 recommends ubufox but should suggest ubufox" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/365965 | 07:38 |
| micahg | Here's the response I wrote: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/210954/ | 07:39 |
| === ripps_ is now known as ripps | ||
| === asac_ is now known as asac | ||
| asac | gnomefreak seems to be back ;)< | 10:29 |
| asac | gandi: hey | 11:14 |
| gandi | hi | 11:14 |
| asac | gandi: do you have some time today or tomorrow to explain to me how the trees in the l10-mozilla repo are structured? | 11:15 |
| gandi | asac: in a few hours, sure :) | 11:15 |
| asac | gandi: i tried to look at them to see what needs to be done to fix our export | 11:16 |
| asac | gandi: but the layour looks rather random to me ;) | 11:16 |
| asac | gandi: cool | 11:16 |
| asac | i will ping you this afternoon then ;) | 11:16 |
| fta2 | mozilla 496683 | 11:16 |
| ubottu | Mozilla bug 496683 in Build Config "Organize removed-files.in, make it not suck" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=496683 | 11:16 |
| asac | gandi: also, did you talk to the "ro" translators? | 11:16 |
| asac | gandi: (do you remember what this was about at all or should i send a mail?) | 11:16 |
| gandi | asac: I did ask them | 11:17 |
| gandi | but was out of time to have a full chat, I'll do this this week | 11:17 |
| fta2 | asac, http://hg.mozilla.org/comm-central/rev/27b3a0d2aa23 | 11:17 |
| asac | gandi: cool. no hurry. | 11:17 |
| asac | nice | 11:18 |
| asac | fta2: does that mean our testsuite works now? | 11:18 |
| fta2 | eh? it's what makes tb3 ftbfs | 11:18 |
| fta2 | it's too big of a change, i don't have time for this right now, feel free to have a look | 11:19 |
| asac | fta2: oh | 11:19 |
| asac | fta2: yes. thats on my list for ... _now_ ;) | 11:19 |
| fta2 | several people already reported that ftbfs | 11:20 |
| gnomefreak | shhhh you dont see me, i can barely see you :) | 11:21 |
| asac | fta2: ok i updated the -daily PPA description telling them to contact our mailing list or this channel to report issues | 11:22 |
| asac | https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-daily/+archive/ppa | 11:22 |
| asac | gandi: hiiiiii | 11:22 |
| asac | oop | 11:22 |
| asac | gnomefreak: ^^ | 11:22 |
| asac | ;) | 11:22 |
| asac | gnomefreak: good to h ave you back | 11:22 |
| asac | it was just yesterday that i wondered: "hell, didnt gnomefreak say that he will most likely be back in jul - hope all went well" | 11:23 |
| gnomefreak | :) im here for a bit with one eye closed and screen at some very very big res | 11:23 |
| gnomefreak | asac: july 27th is next eye | 11:23 |
| asac | gnomefreak: at least you can _see_ something. did the surgery go well in general? | 11:23 |
| gnomefreak | asac: yep as expected | 11:24 |
| gnomefreak | btw tbird-3 is borked | 11:24 |
| asac | fta2: right | 11:24 |
| gnomefreak | as is mozilla-devscripts | 11:24 |
| asac | gnomefreak: right | 11:24 |
| gnomefreak | ok good known | 11:24 |
| asac | fta2: so you bumped snapshot on branch already good. | 11:24 |
| asac | fta2: did you start on the patch? | 11:25 |
| asac | e.g. is there something i should start with | 11:25 |
| fta2 | asac, no, I just had a look | 11:25 |
| asac | fta2: any hints, while the orig is downloading ;)? | 11:25 |
| asac | or just diverged patch for now? | 11:25 |
| fta2 | it seems they are doing what we need now | 11:25 |
| fta2 | maybe our patch is no longer needed | 11:26 |
| asac | ok i will check that | 11:26 |
| * gnomefreak smacks self | 11:26 | |
| asac | does anyone else experience severe focus problems? | 11:26 |
| fta2 | (btw, the bot has a feature to bump the changelog) | 11:26 |
| asac | fta2: you mean, on .head or on .daily? | 11:26 |
| * gnomefreak didnt put 2 and 2 together last night. m-d is lookijng in old place for upstream. sm moved since it is now synced with tbird | 11:27 | |
| fta2 | to update .head from the .daily | 11:27 |
| gnomefreak | asac: focus? not like i can tell, but what do you mean | 11:27 |
| asac | fta2: if thats what we want its easy enough to do manually (e.g. merge from .daily) | 11:30 |
| asac | i think its ok actually | 11:30 |
| asac | gnomefreak: well if i click somewhere its often not accepted | 11:30 |
| asac | also sometimes i switch apps and i cannot type until i re-switch apps | 11:30 |
| asac | etc. | 11:31 |
| asac | fta2: when does it merge back? | 11:31 |
| asac | when it fails? | 11:31 |
| gnomefreak | i havent seen that yet | 11:32 |
| fta2 | asac, what i meant is the changelog bump in .head is not manual. I was tired to have to visit .daily, edit .head, commit and push, just to change a version and a date. So it's automatic now. | 11:32 |
| fta2 | asac, there's no merge back from .daily to .head, .daily is not supposed to contain any change, expect changelog and the tweaked deps in control | 11:33 |
| gnomefreak | anyone on karmic have a working lower panel in gnome? running apps showing up? | 11:34 |
| gnomefreak | trash is there but no running apps | 11:35 |
| fta2 | asac, btw, o3d doesn't work here (nvidia x64). the plugin is loaded, but it doesn't render anything (and no error in the console, beside the usual canberra-gtk-module) | 11:35 |
| asac | hmm | 11:37 |
| fta2 | asac, http://paste.ubuntu.com/211182/ *sigh* | 11:38 |
| asac | fta2: btw, why dont we build -enable-static for tbird? do you remember the reason? | 11:38 |
| asac | yeah. looking at that | 11:38 |
| asac | too | 11:38 |
| asac | was the idea that we wanted to use the same build way xulrunner uses? | 11:38 |
| fta2 | because we are not building ff statically either | 11:38 |
| asac | yeah | 11:39 |
| asac | thats what i thought | 11:39 |
| fta2 | even before the split with xul | 11:39 |
| asac | but ffox is a xulapp | 11:39 |
| asac | right i remember | 11:39 |
| fta2 | do as you wany ;) | 11:40 |
| fta2 | want | 11:40 |
| asac | let me fire off a normal build now after fixing the patches to see where we stand ;) | 11:40 |
| asac | fta2: its a bit odd. there is no --enable-static/disable-static or --enable-shared, etc. in our rules | 11:41 |
| asac | hmm. gwibber disappeared again. seems it crashes quite regularly now | 11:43 |
| fta2 | for me, it's better, no crash in a week | 11:45 |
| asac | hmm | 11:45 |
| fta2 | but i dent less those days (i mean, even less than before), and it always crashed while i was writing | 11:46 |
| gnomefreak | what is the panel addon called that has the open windows in it? example: open terminal now on lower panel it shows a button for terminal | 12:07 |
| asac | gwibber seems again crashed | 12:08 |
| gnomefreak | mines working ok other than a problem with ident | 12:09 |
| gnomefreak | @firusvg i have given up on !firefox on linux .. my hopes lies with google chrome now | 12:09 |
| gnomefreak | yay clearing the window works now and not sure what the extra tab is for now | 12:11 |
| gnomefreak | asac: what version of gwibber? | 12:16 |
| asac | gnomefreak: latest karmic | 12:25 |
| gnomefreak | hmmm seems karmic has gotten the latest daily | 12:27 |
| gnomefreak | 1.2.0~bzr346-0ubuntu1 | 12:27 |
| gnomefreak | it works here no problems other than errrors on indent.ca retrieving | 12:27 |
| asac | gnomefreak: yes. i uploaded that | 12:27 |
| asac | but now - a few days later i get more and more crashes ;) | 12:28 |
| gnomefreak | not sure why you are crashing unless it depends on mopnoi | 12:28 |
| gnomefreak | mono | 12:28 |
| gnomefreak | nope doesntr | 12:28 |
| gnomefreak | doesnt | 12:29 |
| gnomefreak | g/f thinks im crazy again. she over heard me asking the dog how to fix system | 12:38 |
| gnomefreak | asac: we should look into getting SM2 into Karmic however im waiting for everything to be finished with eyes and having glasses before i dive into it again. a few patch problems last i looked but it is on b3 (should be finished or atleast very close by release | 12:42 |
| asac | gnomefreak: sure. do you know whats the current status of sm2? | 12:55 |
| asac | is it at least at beta? | 12:55 |
| gnomefreak | asac: b3 | 12:55 |
| gnomefreak | as for state its in eh not sure since i havent fixed the FTBFS in ~a month | 12:56 |
| gnomefreak | one of our patches was conflickting | 12:56 |
| asac | ok ;) | 12:58 |
| gnomefreak | asac: one minute ill get you last failure | 12:58 |
| asac | currently working on getting tbird 3 fixed | 12:58 |
| asac | so based on that i might be easy to also fix sm | 12:58 |
| asac | 2 | 12:58 |
| gnomefreak | last known failure for SM2 http://launchpadlibrarian.net/27243867/buildlog_ubuntu-karmic-i386.seamonkey-2.0_2.0~b1~hg20090528r2718%2Bnobinonly-0ubuntu1.9.10_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz | 12:58 |
| gnomefreak | tbird bug here is that no boxes are showing up not sure if that is what you are working on or not | 12:59 |
| asac | ok thanks | 12:59 |
| gnomefreak | np | 12:59 |
| asac | gnomefreak: that problem is a minimal nspr/nss version requirement | 13:00 |
| gnomefreak | asac: have you started on the OO.o patch for mozilla? | 13:00 |
| asac | e.g. you need to bump the minimal version for using --system-nspr/nss | 13:00 |
| gnomefreak | asac: than maybe i fixed that in my branch | 13:00 |
| gnomefreak | i have done that once already IIRC | 13:01 |
| * gnomefreak checks branch | 13:01 | |
| gnomefreak | https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~gnomefreak/seamonkey/ubuntu-2.x-9.10 | 13:01 |
| gnomefreak | yep needed another bump damnit | 13:02 |
| asac | gnomefreak: you need nspr dump i guess | 13:02 |
| asac | >= 4.7.5 | 13:03 |
| gnomefreak | ill update it while your on tbird | 13:03 |
| gnomefreak | lets see what else is wrong if anything | 13:03 |
| asac | USE_SYSTEM_NSPR := $(shell pkg-config --exists 'nspr >= 4.7'; a=$$?; if test $$a != 1; then echo 1; fi) | 13:03 |
| asac | make that 4.7.5 | 13:03 |
| asac | gnomefreak: or even 4.8 now on latest trunk i think | 13:03 |
| asac | (which we dont even have packaged yet) | 13:03 |
| asac | nss should be ok now | 13:04 |
| asac | gnomefreak: try 4.7.5... but if it still fails on current karmic you need 4.8 there | 13:04 |
| gnomefreak | k | 13:04 |
| gnomefreak | we should really use the version that is on system instead of naming version | 13:05 |
| asac | gnomefreak: no ... the version in rules is important | 13:06 |
| asac | without that you cannot do builds on systems that dont have high enough version | 13:06 |
| asac | so no backports etc. | 13:06 |
| asac | just adjust it properly and all is fine and the package does the right thing | 13:06 |
| gnomefreak | we dont backport most of our apps anyway | 13:06 |
| asac | e.g. it uses system lib if its good enough | 13:06 |
| gnomefreak | will do | 13:06 |
| asac | gnomefreak: we backport everything | 13:06 |
| asac | e.g. -daily ppa | 13:06 |
| gnomefreak | ah thats right | 13:07 |
| asac | has builds from hardy to karmic | 13:07 |
| asac | based on the same branch | 13:07 |
| asac | so its important that our packages just build everywhere | 13:07 |
| gnomefreak | well i just closed a bug on backporting 3.5 for hardy. that is bad idea in system outside of PPA's IMHO | 13:07 |
| gnomefreak | grrrrr org.freedesktop.devicekit.disks.filesystem-mount-system-internal no | 13:10 |
| gnomefreak | udev-extras? | 13:10 |
| gnomefreak | devicekit makes me think that | 13:11 |
| gnomefreak | although by the sounds of it udev-extras was replaced by udev :( | 13:12 |
| asac | gnomefreak: right. udev-extras is now gone again (at least libgudev moved to udev) | 13:32 |
| gnomefreak | well its not mounting usb drives nor ejecting cd/dvds | 13:39 |
| AnAnt | Hello, isn't firefox-3.5 now final ? | 13:42 |
| gnomefreak | if m-d uses hg clone http://hg.mozilla.org/comm-central/ mozilla why the hell would SM1 not work | 13:43 |
| AnAnt | why is Shiretoko codename still being used ? | 13:43 |
| gnomefreak | looks to be final. are you sure you are not using 3.5.1 | 13:44 |
| gnomefreak | its in umd repo | 13:44 |
| AnAnt | firefox-3.5 (3.5+nobinonly-0ubuntu0.9.04.1) | 13:45 |
| AnAnt | that one still uses Shiretoko | 13:45 |
| asac | AnAnt: thats ok | 13:45 |
| asac | https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-karmic-firefox-3.5 | 13:46 |
| gnomefreak | i dont have 3.5 installed only .1 | 13:46 |
| asac | in short: we only ship the default browser officially branded | 13:46 |
| asac | jaunty default is ffox 3.0 | 13:46 |
| AnAnt | ok | 13:46 |
| asac | karmic is still 3.0, but that will change as soon as the spec above gets implemened | 13:46 |
| * gnomefreak gone for a month and i miss all kinds of stuff | 13:47 | |
| AnAnt | thanks | 13:48 |
| asac | AnAnt: i hope i find time to announce how things go on my blog soon | 13:49 |
| * asac scared: asac@hector:~/ubuntu_bzr/thunderbird-3.0.head$ bzr st | 13:51 | |
| asac | Segmentation fault | 13:51 |
| gnomefreak | either these changes are massive or m-d doesnt like me anymore | 13:55 |
| gnomefreak | same place > 1 hour | 13:55 |
| asac | tbird 3 fixed in branch | 13:56 |
| asac | fta2: can you kick off a ubuntu2 for yesterdays daily? | 13:56 |
| asac | tbird 3 | 13:56 |
| asac | just in case they break something new :) ... so we get at least a good build today | 13:57 |
| gnomefreak | that bug has happened a few times in tbird3 cycle | 13:57 |
| asac | builders are idle ... so good time to kick this | 13:58 |
| gnomefreak | at least the one i saw | 13:58 |
| asac | gnomefreak: thats ok. its a normal to break stuff if new files dont get installed et al | 13:58 |
| asac | but now we have static build which should be a bit better | 13:58 |
| gnomefreak | ah it was all due to shared? | 13:58 |
| gnomefreak | i faintly remember shared/static builds topic with upstream | 14:00 |
| fta2 | asac, done | 14:00 |
| asac | thx a bunch | 14:00 |
| gnomefreak | ok something is wrong here :( i dont want 2.1 | 14:03 |
| gnomefreak | i want 2.0b3 | 14:03 |
| gnomefreak | seamonkey-2.0-2.1~a1~hg20090706r3013+nobinonly | 14:03 |
| gnomefreak | anyone can tell me why m-d grabbed 2.1 instead of recent 2.0 | 14:04 |
| gnomefreak | i dont mind working on 2.1 but would like to fix 2.0 first | 14:06 |
| gnomefreak | ok so m-d grabs latest testing build for 2.0 fails to grab 1.1.17 and onkly grabs stable calendar | 14:10 |
| * gnomefreak needs to rest my head | 14:11 | |
| gnomefreak | letting 1.1.x go for a while to see if maybe its not dying | 14:11 |
| asac | gnomefreak: i think that 2.0 probably moved to its own brtanch | 14:15 |
| asac | so your md rules pull in 2.1 now | 14:15 |
| gnomefreak | they should move the newest one to a new branch and leave old ones where they are. makes sense even outside of m-d | 14:16 |
| gnomefreak | ok 1.1.17 seems to be working at least its connected and pulling in latest | 14:17 |
| * gnomefreak smoke while i think about how to tackel that or even if i have time before doctors appt. | 14:18 | |
| gnomefreak | ok today im wokring on 1.1.17 if it id done when i get home than i might start on 2.0 d rework | 14:26 |
| gnomefreak | md even | 14:26 |
| gnomefreak | mozilla 495057 | 14:30 |
| ubottu | Error: Error getting Mozilla bug #495057: NotPermitted | 14:30 |
| gnomefreak | asac: any idea why i am denied | 14:31 |
| gnomefreak | theres no CVE number for this fix for some reason | 14:31 |
| gnomefreak | ok gone for a while started SM1 build | 14:42 |
| asac | gnomefreak: the bug is security sensitivbe | 14:50 |
| asac | no need to check it | 14:51 |
| asac | what info are you looking for | 14:51 |
| asac | ? | 14:51 |
| gnomefreak | i was hoping for a CVE but i used the MFSA 2009-33 | 14:54 |
| gnomefreak | ok its building,, i need to get ready for dr appt. ill see you in a few hours | 14:56 |
| asac | yeah one MFSA didnt have a CVE | 14:58 |
| asac | checkout what i documented in icedove upload to debian | 14:58 |
| asac | i think i left out the CVE for -33 | 14:58 |
| asac | 75 Ns Jul 06 Martin Pitt (2.8K) Next karmic gdm upgrade WILL BREAK your system | 15:37 |
| asac | fta2: gnomefreak: ^^ | 15:37 |
| eagles0513875 | asac: seems like a regression in the plasma-widget-network-manager cuz wicd connected just fine for me | 15:39 |
| asac | eagles0513875: didnt i say that yesterday? | 15:40 |
| asac | kick plasma .... long live nm-applet | 15:40 |
| eagles0513875 | asac: you wanted me to try and determine if it was a regression or not | 15:40 |
| eagles0513875 | im not even using the nm-applet cuz in hardy that wouldnt even work for me | 15:41 |
| eagles0513875 | im using wicd | 15:41 |
| asac | eagles0513875: i wanted you to check nm-applet not wicd | 15:41 |
| eagles0513875 | ahhh if you would like ill do that now | 15:41 |
| asac | or what did i say? | 15:41 |
| asac | great | 15:41 |
| asac | we want to know if its plasmas fault alone | 15:41 |
| asac | i would htink yes | 15:41 |
| eagles0513875 | yes | 15:41 |
| eagles0513875 | and it is a regression cuz an older svn version that is in jaunty works just fine | 15:42 |
| asac | yeah that would be the case then | 15:42 |
| asac | eagles0513875: after verifying that nm-applet works fine you could check whether there is newer stuff in svn | 15:42 |
| eagles0513875 | ya but we know that since its working with wicd that the wifi card or kernel arent to blame | 15:42 |
| asac | also you could try to downgrade to jaunty widget version and see if that helps | 15:42 |
| asac | eagles0513875: no. testing with wicd is useless | 15:43 |
| asac | even if wicd works it doesnt mean that kernel isnt broken | 15:43 |
| eagles0513875 | ok whats the exact name of the nm-applet package | 15:43 |
| asac | wicd uses only the most basic features of the wifi kernel stack | 15:43 |
| asac | so you cannot compare that | 15:43 |
| asac | eagles0513875: network-manager-gnome | 15:43 |
| eagles0513875 | whats the difference between network-manager-gnome and just plain old network-manager | 15:44 |
| asac | eagles0513875: network-manager is the daemon (the actualy manager) | 15:44 |
| eagles0513875 | gotcha | 15:44 |
| asac | network-manager-gnome is the applet you can use to manage it | 15:44 |
| asac | similar to what plasma should do if it gets ever finished | 15:44 |
| asac | but i think that kde will move to lava- before they finish anything ;) | 15:44 |
| asac | just kidding ;) | 15:48 |
| asac | its just that kde folks always start new things without fixing the old stuff ;) | 15:48 |
| asac | but i think thats the case everywhere | 15:48 |
| eagles0513875 | lol asac you cant make it any more obvious your a gnome user lol | 15:53 |
| asac | i am pretty open minded | 15:54 |
| asac | but i am suffering quite a lot seeing that knetworkmanager and frieds are always lacking behind | 15:54 |
| asac | and nobody from the kubuntu team really taking a lead on that ;) | 15:55 |
| eagles0513875 | certain aspects of kde i love | 15:55 |
| eagles0513875 | if i knew programming really well i would | 15:55 |
| eagles0513875 | but im a novice programmer | 15:55 |
| asac | i dont care about kde and gnome much ;) | 15:55 |
| asac | just about NM | 15:55 |
| asac | and FFocx | 15:55 |
| asac | and other things of course ;) | 15:55 |
| eagles0513875 | let me try the gnoem nm | 15:55 |
| asac | problem is that i begged so much in the past on kubuntu state of network managing and often got back "we dont really care" ;) | 15:56 |
| asac | same for ffox integration in kde | 15:56 |
| asac | i wanted to drive that, but answer i got when asking for info/help was "we dont care much because we have konqueror" ... which imo is dishonest to all users that use ffox | 15:56 |
| asac | eagles0513875: yeah. ensure that plasma widget is killed | 15:56 |
| asac | then start nm-applet | 15:56 |
| asac | from the command line | 15:57 |
| eagles0513875 | i rebooted | 15:57 |
| eagles0513875 | and wicd removed it | 15:57 |
| eagles0513875 | but there is no lil widget or applet for the nm | 15:57 |
| asac | well yeah. you need to get rid of wicd if you want to use NM anyway | 15:57 |
| eagles0513875 | from what i saw it removed it | 15:57 |
| asac | well. wicd also removes network-manager | 15:57 |
| asac | so you dont have network-manger at all now | 15:57 |
| asac | kick wicd. install network-manager and network-manager-gnome ;) | 15:58 |
| eagles0513875 | i installed network-manager-gnome and as it was installing it it remove wicd | 15:58 |
| asac | yeah | 15:58 |
| eagles0513875 | i have network-manager-gnome installed according to apt-cache policy | 15:58 |
| asac | so you need to start nm-applet manually | 15:58 |
| asac | kde folks forced me to not start applet on log-in if you are on kde | 15:58 |
| asac | ;) | 15:58 |
| asac | dont ask me why | 15:58 |
| eagles0513875 | thats strange | 15:58 |
| asac | i would think that users that install nm-applet want to have it running | 15:58 |
| eagles0513875 | hehe so what do i type in network-manager-gnome | 15:59 |
| eagles0513875 | exactly | 15:59 |
| * asac considers to change that back and conflict with plasma-widget-network-manager | 15:59 | |
| asac | eagles0513875: nm-applet | 15:59 |
| asac | thats what you type | 15:59 |
| eagles0513875 | sry for all these questions im so used to the widget working and not having to touch anything | 15:59 |
| eagles0513875 | #well here is a bug | 15:59 |
| eagles0513875 | if i start it from the command line the ctrl+c the applet disappears | 15:59 |
| eagles0513875 | ive seen some programs where i ctrl+c and it stays there | 16:00 |
| asac | thats ok | 16:00 |
| asac | ctrl+c is should kill processes | 16:00 |
| asac | if process prevent that they must have a good reason | 16:00 |
| eagles0513875 | should i background it | 16:00 |
| asac | eagles0513875: if you want to keep it running you could probably also start it using alt+f2 | 16:01 |
| eagles0513875 | coudl as well | 16:01 |
| asac | e.g. whatever kde facility allows you to start commands | 16:01 |
| eagles0513875 | couldnt i use nm-applet & to bg it | 16:01 |
| asac | eagles0513875: but for testing you can just keep the terminal open and keep it running there? | 16:01 |
| asac | try it | 16:01 |
| eagles0513875 | i am | 16:01 |
| asac | if its working fine. if its not, its not something we care about i guess ;) | 16:01 |
| asac | usually it gets started on login | 16:02 |
| eagles0513875 | it seems to want me to setup a keyring which i dont want to | 16:02 |
| asac | only if you want to debug stuff its started from terminal | 16:02 |
| asac | eagles0513875: you need to in order to test it | 16:02 |
| asac | you can delete the keyring later | 16:02 |
| eagles0513875 | it shouldnt be required though | 16:02 |
| asac | eagles0513875: questionable. its a gnome app | 16:02 |
| asac | you can create a system connection and set the passphrase there | 16:02 |
| asac | then it wont use the keyring | 16:03 |
| asac | not sure if NM allows you to get that far though | 16:03 |
| eagles0513875 | it was asking me to create a new keyring | 16:03 |
| eagles0513875 | it connects | 16:03 |
| asac | good | 16:04 |
| asac | maybe NM should default to making connections "system connections" | 16:04 |
| asac | i will think about it and talk to nm developers | 16:05 |
| asac | imo it would be great if we could make a less-gnome dependent app out of it | 16:05 |
| asac | though kde folks probably wouldnt want it because its gtk ;) | 16:05 |
| eagles0513875 | i honestly dont care | 16:06 |
| eagles0513875 | kde 4.3 is nice and improving on performance but im impressed how zippy gnome is | 16:07 |
| asac | yeah. i promissed to try kde ... but it didnt work because compiz/composition still doesnt work here on my GPU | 16:08 |
| asac | jdstrand: there? | 16:09 |
| asac | jdstrand: so the -proposed bits are verified and now we wonder whether you wanted us to first copy that to -updates | 16:09 |
| asac | or directly to -security and from there to -updates | 16:10 |
| jdstrand | asac: I'll go to security | 16:10 |
| asac | jdstrand: see -devel | 16:10 |
| asac | jdstrand: pitti wants to know if you or he will do the roll out ;) | 16:10 |
| jdstrand | yeah, see -devel | 16:10 |
| asac | ack | 16:10 |
| eagles0513875 | asac: intel gpu | 16:12 |
| asac | yeah intel is probably working | 16:14 |
| eagles0513875 | been lucky with nvidia | 16:14 |
| asac | but my intel system has only a tiny disk ;) | 16:14 |
| eagles0513875 | but that is a nasty bug i must say | 16:14 |
| asac | i have ati | 16:14 |
| eagles0513875 | hehe why not install kubuntu onto a pen drive | 16:15 |
| asac | actually one of the chips that i always get told that they work perfect | 16:15 |
| eagles0513875 | and use that as a persistent portable install | 16:15 |
| asac | until i show them that compositing is still borken ;) | 16:15 |
| eagles0513875 | ati is a nightmare graphics wise | 16:15 |
| eagles0513875 | nvidia ftw | 16:15 |
| asac | well. ati is not that bad actually | 16:15 |
| asac | the free driver is improving and rocks on lots of chips nowadays | 16:15 |
| asac | but not on mine :( | 16:15 |
| asac | probably because it was a high-tech gamers card once ;) | 16:15 |
| eagles0513875 | man talking about gaming cards lol | 16:16 |
| eagles0513875 | if you want i wont even go there | 16:16 |
| eagles0513875 | asac: ty for your help man | 16:25 |
| asac | eagles0513875: so you can live with the solution for now? can youplease file a bug against plasma-widget-network-manager so i can make it important and put it on release teams radar? | 16:28 |
| eagles0513875 | file it just on launchpad | 16:28 |
| eagles0513875 | or can you link me to the wpa bug that there was for jaunty | 16:28 |
| asac | eagles0513875: its a regression in karmic, right? | 16:29 |
| asac | eagles0513875: we should have a new bug then. | 16:29 |
| eagles0513875 | ya but there was a similar issue that was in jaunty where one couldnt connect to wpa encrypted wifi | 16:29 |
| asac | yes. most likely | 16:34 |
| asac | but open a new bug for the karmic problem unless you really thinkits the same still | 16:34 |
| eagles0513875 | i cant find the jaunty one so will open a new bug | 16:39 |
| micahg | ping asac | 16:43 |
| eagles0513875 | asac: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-widget-network-manager/+bug/396180 | 16:44 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 396180 in plasma-widget-network-manager "plasma-widget-network-manager regression with connectiong to wpa connections" [Undecided,New] | 16:44 |
| asac | micahg: yep? | 16:46 |
| eagles0513875 | hope that bug helps some if any | 16:46 |
| eagles0513875 | asac: is that bug good enough for ya or you need more info | 16:47 |
| asac | eagles0513875: can you attach the file i asked for (directly after reproducing) | 16:47 |
| asac | i just aksed | 16:48 |
| eagles0513875 | it never showed up for me over here | 16:48 |
| micahg | asac: is this response ok: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/210954/ for bug 365965 | 16:48 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 365965 in ubufox "Firefox3.5 recommends ubufox but should suggest ubufox" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/365965 | 16:48 |
| micahg | last comment | 16:48 |
| asac | let me check | 16:48 |
| asac | didnt i comment on that bug already?` | 16:48 |
| micahg | wb gnomefreak | 16:49 |
| asac | micahg: i think its a dejavu bug | 16:49 |
| asac | the apturl is the problem | 16:50 |
| asac | but i feel reluctant to remove a recommends | 16:50 |
| asac | its recommended for ubuntu to have that | 16:50 |
| micahg | yes, I'm not worried about that part right now | 16:50 |
| eagles0513875 | asac: apologies if you did as im jumping back and forth between a bunch of stuff and soon have to leave | 16:50 |
| micahg | about the guy's last comment about gtk | 16:50 |
| micahg | you can deal with eagles0513875 first | 16:50 |
| asac | eagles0513875: huh? its in the bug isnt it? | 16:50 |
| micahg | I can check with you later | 16:50 |
| eagles0513875 | ya apologies | 16:50 |
| eagles0513875 | micahg: he can help ya | 16:51 |
| eagles0513875 | asac: will dmesg help with anything cuz thats where we see some light on the issue | 16:51 |
| asac | micahg: commented. he is talking bullshit ;) | 16:52 |
| micahg | oh, I was wondering if my proposed response was correct | 16:52 |
| asac | eagles0513875: usually not. you can also attach it after reproducing in case this goes to the kernel, but usually syslog is all we need and also has kernel messages in there | 16:52 |
| eagles0513875 | alright | 16:53 |
| asac | eagles0513875: you might want to attach eventuall error message the plasma widget spits out | 16:53 |
| micahg | ah, basically you're gonna show him it has GTK in it :) | 16:53 |
| asac | not sure where they go | 16:53 |
| eagles0513875 | ill attach both | 16:53 |
| eagles0513875 | cuz the 2 messages have a code and im not sure what they mean | 16:53 |
| asac | eagles0513875: maybe you can kill plasma widget and start it from ccommand line to see what it outputs? otherwise its probably in .xsession-errors, but not sure how kde does things special | 16:53 |
| asac | k | 16:53 |
| asac | micahg: yes | 16:54 |
| eagles0513875 | ill post syslog as well as dmesg | 16:54 |
| asac | micahg: its even easier: ldd /path/to/firefox-bin | 16:54 |
| asac | will show gtk i am sure | 16:54 |
| asac | or is it libxul.so? | 16:54 |
| asac | i guess | 16:54 |
| asac | so if oyu ahve aa upstream build at hand try to run ldd on both files | 16:55 |
| eagles0513875 | also if you would like then once we have necessary info ill file it upstream for ya | 16:56 |
| asac | micahg: ^^ | 16:56 |
| asac | eagles0513875: thats even better. | 16:56 |
| * eagles0513875 zips lips | 16:56 | |
| eagles0513875 | dont mean to interrupt you 2 | 16:56 |
| asac | eagles0513875: i wanted to put some kubuntu guy onto guiding the bug, but its best if you can directly talk to upstreams i guess | 16:56 |
| asac | eagles0513875: thats ok | 16:56 |
| asac | i usually dont reply if i dont have time or want to finish a separate discussion ;) | 16:56 |
| eagles0513875 | asac: :) i would love to contact the upstream dev directly | 16:56 |
| micahg | asac: I don't run upstream builds | 16:57 |
| asac | eagles0513875: first find the svn and see if there are more commits already | 17:00 |
| asac | maybe its fixed | 17:00 |
| eagles0513875 | k | 17:00 |
| asac | if its not fixed in latest commit we can file the bug at kde.org | 17:00 |
| asac | its annoying | 17:02 |
| asac | i cannot even find the svn for plasma network manager | 17:02 |
| asac | what a mess | 17:02 |
| asac | "network manager plasma svn" google | 17:03 |
| asac | nothing | 17:03 |
| asac | my incompetency to not find something on the web is one of the few things that really drives me mad ;) | 17:04 |
| eagles0513875 | lol | 17:04 |
| gnomefreak | ok im eating but it buiolt fine i am going to make a few adjustments push commit and respin for PPA | 17:37 |
| asac | great | 17:38 |
| asac | what was it? | 17:38 |
| gnomefreak | asac: do you have icedove changelog handy? | 18:00 |
| asac | gnomefreak: now ... its in the branch | 18:01 |
| asac | gnomefreak: or on packages.qa.debian.org | 18:01 |
| gnomefreak | asac: nothing was wrong i just need to adjust changelog a little (versioning and such | 18:01 |
| asac | http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/thunderbird/icedove-2.0.0.x/annotate/head%3A/debian/changelog | 18:02 |
| asac | gnomefreak: but seamonkey is usually ffox + tbird | 18:02 |
| asac | as it ships browser and mail | 18:02 |
| gnomefreak | just that one bug fix the .33 | 18:02 |
| gnomefreak | oh you used the mfsa | 18:02 |
| gnomefreak | all of them | 18:02 |
| asac | yeah | 18:04 |
| gnomefreak | pushing to branch atm | 18:05 |
| asac | good | 18:06 |
| asac | is that for karmic? | 18:06 |
| gnomefreak | yes | 18:06 |
| gnomefreak | https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~gnomefreak/seamonkey/seamonkey-1.1.x.karmic | 18:07 |
| gnomefreak | shit | 18:07 |
| gnomefreak | oh well leave it i guess | 18:07 |
| asac | so not yet ready? | 18:09 |
| gnomefreak | asac: do you want me to update the other branches? | 18:09 |
| gnomefreak | asac: its ready | 18:09 |
| asac | gnomefreak: are you sure those are all CVEs? | 18:09 |
| gnomefreak | i forgot to pull the MFSA entry but its done so all i care it can stay | 18:10 |
| asac | please check security/announce | 18:10 |
| gnomefreak | asac: i used each link to get CVE | 18:10 |
| asac | http://www.mozilla.org/security/known-vulnerabilities/seamonkey11.html | 18:10 |
| asac | gnomefreak: you also need the .16 advisories i think | 18:10 |
| asac | e.g. previous upload was .15 | 18:11 |
| gnomefreak | asac: you said you added them to 15 instead of pushing a .16 | 18:11 |
| asac | hmm | 18:11 |
| asac | did i? | 18:11 |
| gnomefreak | yes | 18:11 |
| gnomefreak | that is why we didnt release a .16 | 18:13 |
| asac | hmm | 18:13 |
| asac | seems the changes are on .hardy + .intrepid branch but not on dev | 18:13 |
| asac | gnomefreak: shit ... i didnt push it ;) | 18:13 |
| asac | gnomefreak: so restart from .dev again ;) | 18:13 |
| gnomefreak | why didnt we release a .16 for dev than? | 18:14 |
| asac | you need to backout the patches i prepatched | 18:14 |
| asac | gnomefreak: you were correct. i just forgot to push the bzr branch as it seems | 18:14 |
| asac | so you started on a branch that wasnt up-to-date | 18:14 |
| asac | gnomefreak: can you start with a new .dev and then add your changelog on top and also drop the two patches i landed in ubuntu2 ? | 18:14 |
| gnomefreak | ok what is the dev branch link | 18:14 |
| asac | lp:~mozillateam/seamonkey/seamonkey-1.1.dev | 18:15 |
| * asac bound the branch so he doesnt forget to commit in future | 18:15 | |
| asac | s/commit/push/ | 18:15 |
| asac | sorry for that mess ;) | 18:16 |
| asac | guess its not a good present for you coming back ;) | 18:16 |
| asac | but well. you changed did the changelog, so now you have something more challenging ...e .g. also drop patches | 18:16 |
| gnomefreak | eh its all good. i should have it ready shortly | 18:16 |
| asac | consider that a present ;) | 18:16 |
| gnomefreak | :) | 18:17 |
| gnomefreak | asac: what is the 3rd patch 90_181_485286_attachment_369457.patch i dont see it in changelog | 18:19 |
| asac | gnomefreak: third? | 18:20 |
| gnomefreak | yes | 18:20 |
| asac | * CVE-2009-1169: XSL Transformation vulnerability | 18:21 |
| asac | - add 90_181_485217_attachment_369357.patch | 18:21 |
| asac | - add debian/patches/90_181_485286_attachment_369457.patch | 18:21 |
| gnomefreak | 90_181_485286_attachment_369457.patch | 18:21 |
| asac | look ;) | 18:21 |
| asac | (sorry) | 18:21 |
| gnomefreak | i know the 2 to remove this is a idfferetn one | 18:21 |
| asac | 90_181_485286_attachment_369457.patch == add debian/patches/90_181_485286_attachment_369457.patch | 18:22 |
| asac | or am i wrong? | 18:22 |
| asac | it belongs to the same CVE | 18:22 |
| asac | so should be dropped too | 18:22 |
| gnomefreak | oh ok | 18:23 |
| gnomefreak | ok pushing changes | 18:31 |
| gnomefreak | asac: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~gnomefreak/seamonkey/seamonkey-1.1.x.dev should be loaded soon | 18:33 |
| gnomefreak | ok so jaunty build needs same work? | 18:33 |
| gnomefreak | just intrepid/hardy are without the patches | 18:33 |
| gnomefreak | asac: ok its loaded | 18:34 |
| asac | k | 18:37 |
| asac | i will leave soon ... will maybe check later tonight or tomorrow | 18:37 |
| gnomefreak | k | 18:37 |
| asac | and upload to karmic etc. | 18:37 |
| * gnomefreak not here long either | 18:39 | |
| gnomefreak | lol @ next gdm will break system. mines already frigging broke | 18:41 |
| gnomefreak | what could happen to it now | 18:42 |
| stefanlsd | Do things built for FF 3.5 need to be built against xulrunner-1.9.1-dev ? | 20:12 |
| jetsaredim | anyone know anything about gpg + tb3? | 22:07 |
| asac | hi | 22:09 |
| jetsaredim | ohai | 22:10 |
| asac | jetsaredim: needs to be done ;) | 22:10 |
| asac | needs an owner maybe ;) | 22:10 |
| jetsaredim | well | 22:10 |
| asac | its definitly challenging stuff | 22:10 |
| jetsaredim | it looks like there is built-in support for pkcs12 | 22:10 |
| jetsaredim | which is just another key thingie | 22:10 |
| asac | in tbird? | 22:11 |
| asac | yes | 22:11 |
| jetsaredim | yea | 22:11 |
| asac | thats that x.501? | 22:11 |
| asac | or 9? | 22:11 |
| asac | not sure | 22:11 |
| jetsaredim | so just need to be able to convert gpg key to pkcs12 | 22:11 |
| asac | thats what they support | 22:11 |
| jetsaredim | i think | 22:11 |
| jetsaredim | or are you talking about enigmail? | 22:11 |
| asac | jetsaredim: i am talking about enigmail | 22:11 |
| asac | gpg support wont work without it | 22:11 |
| jetsaredim | i don't even think that the basic extension supports tb2 | 22:12 |
| jetsaredim | err tb3 | 22:12 |
| asac | well i am talking about tbird supporting S-MIME? | 22:12 |
| asac | jetsaredim: it has tbird 3 support | 22:12 |
| jetsaredim | orly? | 22:12 |
| asac | just needs to be packaged | 22:12 |
| jetsaredim | hmm rly | 22:12 |
| asac | nightly is available for tbird 3 so yes | 22:13 |
| asac | http://enigmail.mozdev.org/download/index.php | 22:13 |
| asac | i already started on making enigmail use the xulrunner build system | 22:14 |
| asac | but i ended up lacking headers | 22:14 |
| asac | for mime stuff etc. | 22:14 |
| jetsaredim | hmm | 22:14 |
| asac | so those probably need to be exported in a tbird-dev package | 22:14 |
| jetsaredim | yae | 22:14 |
| jetsaredim | hrm | 22:14 |
| asac | like we did for tbird 2 | 22:14 |
| asac | but upstream situation didnt get much better | 22:14 |
| asac | e.g. make install doesnt install headers i think | 22:15 |
| asac | at least i think | 22:15 |
| asac | but i should check | 22:15 |
| * asac kicks off a tbird package build | 22:15 | |
| jetsaredim | i don't think it would | 22:15 |
| asac | need to check ;) | 22:15 |
| jetsaredim | yea | 22:15 |
| asac | takes about 20-30 minutes | 22:15 |
| jetsaredim | yea | 22:15 |
| jetsaredim | no worries - have to run anyway | 22:16 |
| asac | too bad i cleaned my build area a few hours ago | 22:16 |
| jetsaredim | kids need to eat, etc. :) | 22:16 |
| asac | had a proper build there just before | 22:16 |
| asac | jetsaredim: good. cu around ;) | 22:16 |
| jetsaredim | figures ;) | 22:16 |
| asac | kids are obviously more important than enigmail ;) | 22:16 |
| jetsaredim | i need to make some time later this week to update some moz extensions too | 22:16 |
| jetsaredim | i've been a bastard about that - work is crazy | 22:16 |
| asac | our dailies still occupy ppa builders ;) | 22:17 |
| jetsaredim | but boss is going on vacation wed :) | 22:17 |
| asac | jetsaredim: i think what would be really helpful would be to help getting a stat about what extensions need to be updated for ffox 3.0 | 22:17 |
| asac | err ffox 3.5 | 22:17 |
| jetsaredim | yea | 22:17 |
| jetsaredim | well - i think mozgest for one needs to be dumped | 22:17 |
| asac | like a table with columns: latest upstream version | ffox 3.5 support upstream | ffox 3.5 support in archive | 22:17 |
| jetsaredim | in favor of firegestures | 22:18 |
| jetsaredim | yes - that would be helpful :) | 22:18 |
| asac | ok lets talk about that later ;) | 22:18 |
| asac | go and do your kids and food ;) | 22:18 |
| jetsaredim | indeed | 22:18 |
| jetsaredim | i'll be back around 11P est | 22:18 |
| jetsaredim | no rest for the weary | 22:18 |
| jetsaredim | ttyl | 22:19 |
| asac | stupid me ... cleaned build area again while tbird was still running | 22:58 |
| * asac hits his brain ;) | 22:58 | |
| fta | asac, what do you think of http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=13416 ? | 22:58 |
| asac | fta: mozillas point is that the html5 standard was created to improve the open web | 23:05 |
| asac | thats why they dont support patent encumbered codecs at all | 23:05 |
| asac | so more codecs are wrong | 23:05 |
| asac | otherwise i dont know what to say. | 23:05 |
| asac | doesnt it work with our ffmpeg libs? | 23:05 |
| fta | i emphasized *open* | 23:05 |
| asac | they are stripped a bit, but in general we should have them | 23:05 |
| asac | yeah but the common makes the impression that this is a cross platform problem | 23:06 |
| fta | no, ours is from the main branch, ie it's not multi-threaded | 23:06 |
| asac | which it isnt at all | 23:06 |
| asac | yeah. then the answer is probably that they either can make use of the not-multithreaded lib | 23:07 |
| asac | or they include more code in their trunk ;) | 23:07 |
| asac | i dont see why they wouldnt copy the whole ffmpeg into their tree and link statically to it ;) | 23:07 |
| micahg | asac: just upgraded to FF3.5 from universe | 23:07 |
| fta | the libs are loaded on demand | 23:07 |
| asac | nice ;) | 23:07 |
| asac | fta: the libs or the codecs? | 23:07 |
| asac | codecs are often also .so | 23:08 |
| fta | asac, /usr/lib/chromium-browser/*.so.* | 23:08 |
| asac | fta: i dont see why they couldnt do that when shipping their .so things in pkglibdir | 23:08 |
| asac | they must rename the libs anyway if they are a fork | 23:08 |
| fta | it's not even part of the build, i had to add that | 23:08 |
| asac | yeah. thats what they should fix. otherwise even their build wont work i guess | 23:09 |
| asac | or does chrome build work? | 23:09 |
| fta | no idea, but the 1st message seems to indicate that it doesn't | 23:09 |
| fta | asac, could you run glxinfo 32 and 64 on your X1900 as tell me if there's a difference? | 23:14 |
| fta | more precisely, do you have the ARB_vertex_buffer_object and EXT_framebuffer_object extensions? | 23:15 |
| asac | fta: glxinfo 32? | 23:17 |
| fta | 32 bit version of glxinfo | 23:17 |
| asac | is that in ia32-libs? | 23:17 |
| fta | i don't think so | 23:17 |
| asac | can i just unpack the package or do i also need more depends? | 23:18 |
| BUGabundo | guud evening | 23:19 |
| BUGabundo | hey asac fta | 23:19 |
| asac | ola | 23:19 |
| fta | good question, let me know :) | 23:19 |
| BUGabundo | read john email? | 23:19 |
| asac | fta: why do you ask me to do such hard things :( | 23:19 |
| * asac gets mesa-utils 32 | 23:20 | |
| asac | so last package with that source is feisty ;) | 23:20 |
| BUGabundo | asac: didu see gnomefreak request? | 23:20 |
| asac | ok source is mesa | 23:20 |
| asac | request? | 23:20 |
| BUGabundo | asac: to package tb ? | 23:21 |
| asac | fta: diff -u /tmp/glx32.txt /tmp/glx64.txt | pastebinit | 23:22 |
| asac | http://paste.ubuntu.com/211567/ | 23:22 |
| asac | BUGabundo: to package tb? | 23:22 |
| asac | thought we had a package ;) | 23:22 |
| BUGabundo | err | 23:22 |
| BUGabundo | asac: please see the email :\ | 23:22 |
| fta | asac, lol, is this box usable at all? | 23:23 |
| asac | fta: in which sense? | 23:23 |
| fta | asac, you're soft rendering everything | 23:23 |
| asac | fta: look at the diff command | 23:24 |
| asac | 64 bit has direct rendering | 23:24 |
| asac | -direct rendering: No (If you want to find out why, try setting LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose) | 23:24 |
| asac | +direct rendering: Yes | 23:24 |
| asac | the diff is 32 vs. 64 | 23:24 |
| asac | uname -a | 23:24 |
| asac | Linux hector 2.6.30-10-generic #12-Ubuntu SMP Mon Jun 22 16:30:32 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux | 23:24 |
| asac | so yeah. on .31 its currently unusable ;) | 23:25 |
| asac | (though i havent tried -2 yet) | 23:25 |
| BUGabundo | Can you please as Alexander to update | 23:25 |
| BUGabundo | Seamonkey 1.1.15-1.1.17. I havent made any update to it | 23:25 |
| BUGabundo | since it hit repos. | 23:25 |
| fta | so problem with .31 here | 23:25 |
| asac | BUGabundo: yeah. i think he wants me to review his branch and sponsor the upload | 23:25 |
| asac | i have that on my list | 23:25 |
| asac | latest tomorrow morning | 23:25 |
| asac | fta: huh? s/so/same/? | 23:26 |
| asac | or are you saying the o3d problems are .30? | 23:26 |
| fta | s/so/no/ | 23:26 |
| BUGabundo | thanks asac | 23:26 |
| asac | ah | 23:26 |
| asac | fta: using fglrx? | 23:26 |
| fta | no, nvidia and intel | 23:26 |
| BUGabundo | fta no 3.5 daily ? | 23:27 |
| asac | builders are burried in work ;) | 23:27 |
| fta | BUGabundo, I thought you didn't want those? | 23:27 |
| BUGabundo | eheh I don't! | 23:28 |
| BUGabundo | just found t strange :) | 23:28 |
| asac | fta: so stopped 3.5 dailies? | 23:28 |
| fta | no | 23:28 |
| asac | or just no commmits? | 23:28 |
| fta | no commit i guess | 23:28 |
| asac | good ;) | 23:29 |
| BUGabundo | right asac. I remember reading it | 23:29 |
| asac | at least no useless buildd digestions ;) | 23:29 |
| fta | asac, even on 64bit, you seems to have Slow/None | 23:31 |
| asac | i have basic 3d thats it | 23:32 |
| asac | most likely the reason why there is still no compiz for me | 23:32 |
| asac | even though 5xx are in general ment to work with ati ;) | 23:32 |
| asac | but i gave up as i couldnt play doom 4 et al since hardy anyway | 23:33 |
| asac | (before it always worked great with fglrx) | 23:33 |
| fta | i had a regression like that on my netbook, it was udev-extras missing | 23:33 |
| fta | bug 384934 | 23:33 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 384934 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "[i945gme] Xorg very slow after upgrade" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/384934 | 23:33 |
| asac | hmm. i doubt thats the case for ati | 23:34 |
| asac | what does udev-extras do for you? | 23:34 |
| fta | it was missing permissions to access the dri | 23:34 |
| fta | rules were in udev-extras, not installed in UNR | 23:34 |
| asac | yeah | 23:35 |
| asac | but thats ok for me | 23:35 |
| asac | we already checked that | 23:35 |
| asac | i also tried to make the permissions bad | 23:35 |
| asac | and it really got much worse | 23:35 |
| asac | i think what i have is really the best i can get now | 23:35 |
| fta | and i can play openarena on my slow netbook | 23:35 |
| asac | maybe .31 will give another boost | 23:35 |
| asac | as ati is really progressing fast aftrer they published their raw specs | 23:35 |
| asac | openarena? | 23:36 |
| asac | is that similar to quake 4 and ET quakewars? | 23:36 |
| asac | doom was bullshit ... I was playing quake 4 when hardy broke my setup and never came back ;) | 23:36 |
| asac | (but i havent tried fglrx in final jaunty i have to admit) | 23:36 |
| asac | now i have nexuiz ;) | 23:37 |
| asac | :-P | 23:37 |
| asac | not as good as unreal I ;) ... but still something to run, jump and shoot | 23:37 |
| asac | that reminds me that i even have unreal I on this machine if i am not mistaken | 23:37 |
| asac | enemy-territory/ etqw/ quake4/ ut2004/ | 23:38 |
| asac | so no unreal I ;) | 23:38 |
| asac | but all those 4 are dead ;) | 23:39 |
| asac | how much i would love to play et ;) | 23:39 |
| asac | let me start it ;) | 23:39 |
| asac | heh | 23:40 |
| asac | it was fast enough that i managed to navigate my mouse to the Quit button | 23:40 |
| asac | which wasnt possible in the past ;) | 23:40 |
| asac | let me check what kernel folks fixed in -2 | 23:41 |
| fta | openarena uses the quake 4 engine, iirc | 23:41 |
| asac | slow slow launchpad ;) | 23:41 |
| asac | fta: so its proprietary or did ID release that engine to opensource (couldnt believe it as its still pretty new) | 23:41 |
| asac | quake 4 engine is pretty decent | 23:42 |
| fta | it's in universe | 23:42 |
| asac | Open Arena: a completely free game for the FOSS Quake 3 engine | 23:42 |
| asac | yeah | 23:42 |
| asac | so its not 4 | 23:42 |
| asac | (would have been shocking ;)) | 23:42 |
| fta | oh, ok | 23:43 |
| fta | good enough for me | 23:43 |
| fta | i can frag as much as i want | 23:43 |
| asac | quake 4 is pretty good. they invented infinite textures in that engine | 23:43 |
| asac | hehe | 23:43 |
| asac | yeah | 23:43 |
| asac | probably | 23:43 |
| asac | maybe i should check that too | 23:43 |
| asac | but i guess it would work even with my bad driver ;) | 23:43 |
| asac | maybe enemy territory is based on that enigine? | 23:44 |
| asac | (wolfenstein) | 23:44 |
| asac | me installs openarena to see how the game play is - which is the most important part i guess | 23:44 |
| * asac notes: first check .31-2 kernel | 23:45 | |
| asac | second. check openarena ;) | 23:45 |
| asac | doesnt look like the last two linux uploads changed something for me from changelog | 23:47 |
| asac | i will try anyway. maybe it was caused by something else now fixed | 23:47 |
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