[02:46] <jjesse> what packages do i need installed to get usb-creator to run, also is there a port for kubuntu?
[02:57] <neversfelde> Riddell: there is something wrong with the photos on http://dot.kde.org/2009/07/06/akademy-awards-2009
[02:59] <neversfelde> jjesse: a karmic package is in rgreenings ppa https://edge.launchpad.net/~roderick-greening/+archive/ppa
[03:21] <jjesse> neversfelde: bummer not running karmic, trying to create a karmic kubuntu install usb drive
[03:36] <jjesse> ok figured it out, python-gnome was the package, there is a bug about this on launchpad about adding  a depedency w/ no love in over 4 months ;(
[07:40] <NCommander> rofl, we have ia64 CDs :-)
[08:32] <Ke> why not?
[08:32] <Ke> once tukwila comes out, no one is going to buy x86 anymore!
[09:05] <Riddell>  /join #funroom
[09:05] <Riddell> doh
[13:08] <glatzor> hello Riddell and Tonio_. What is the state of the kde support of policykit-1? the latest 0.5 series of packagekit depends on it.
[13:09] <glatzor> in the 0.5 series it is possible to request confirmation for installing not trusted packages
[13:09] <ScottK> This is important then.
[13:09] <NCommander> so ... we have ia64 Kubuntu Live and alternate CDs
[13:10] <NCommander> bahahahahah ;-)
[13:10] <ScottK> NCommander: Now get debug stuff on armel working .....
[13:10] <NCommander> ScottK, I hope to soon (the ia64 stuff been fixed for awhile, it just landed recently though)
[13:11] <ScottK> I see.  Well that's cool.
[13:11] <NCommander> ScottK, yeah. I'll be at debconf so hopefully I can talk w/ the pkg-kde guys in person on this
[13:15] <ScottK> NCommander: Debug building on armel is a problem in Debian too?
[13:15] <NCommander> ScottK, no idea, but they're having their fair share of armel issues last I checked
[13:17] <Lure> seele: congrats on award - great to see usability gets positive feedback and it was hard to not see the energy you add into various KDE projects
[13:26] <rgreening> Riddell: are results of council voting published or are we waiting for next meeting?
[14:39] <maco> what's this guy talking about with ham & spam icons in kontact? i see options for adding "not spam" (green checkmark) and "spam" (recycling bin) buttons to toolbar, but that's it http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reports/6789/1/
[14:47] <rgreening> kwwii_: ping... got an icon 4 me :P
[15:00] <Lure> maco: I think this was some plugin in kde3 - I think kubuntu had it configured even by default
[15:02] <maco> Lure, he's using kde4 though
[15:03] <neversfelde> probably the bogofilter plugin
[15:03] <Lure> maco: I think Tonio_ was configuring this, so he might know the name (it is not spamassassin, but something else...)
[15:04] <Lure> neversfelde: correct, that is it
[15:06] <neversfelde> are there known plasma problems in karmic? I can't use the folderview widget.
[15:11] <maco> i have bogofilter setup in kmail though...and the icons i get are a green checkmark and a recycling bin, not ham and spam
[15:19] <claydoh> maco: the green checkmark is the 'ham' and the 'spam' button looks too much like the trash icon, it haqs a green recyle design on it, while the trash is mostly silver
[15:19] <maco> claydoh, i assumed that, but i'm wondering why the person in the article claims that kontact uses icons of ham and of spam
[15:20] <maco> he says normal folks wont know that a picture of ham means wanted mail and that a pic of spam means unwanted mail
[15:20] <maco> but those icons dont appear to be anywhere in it
[15:20] <claydoh> because the text lables are spam and ham I would think
[15:21] <claydoh> which iirc aren't text labels supposed to be on by default for us?
[15:21] <claydoh> maco: could i get a link to the article? I arrived too late as usual
[15:22] <maco> ah ok didnt see that youd just joined
[15:22] <maco> http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reports/6789/1/
[15:22] <claydoh> maco: thnks :)
[15:23] <maco> i disagree on the "email" section.... kmail can sort with newest thread on top and newest method within thread at bottom. evolution cannot and confuses the heck out of me for it. also, evo doesnt do dimap.
[15:23] <maco> i dont understand how he claims that evolution has better sorting
[15:24] <claydoh> I haven't looked at evolution in quite some time
[15:27] <maco> unless it had a massive overhaul in the last 6 months....
[15:31] <claydoh> but all the comments on the article's original location are pro Kontact more or less :)
[15:31] <claydoh> I think the last time i actually tried out evolution for more than a day was back in the KDE 2.2 timeframe :)
[15:42] <maco> claydoh, yeah, i know his conclusion is yay-kontact, but i'm just confused by the ham/spam thing and think he didnt look around kmail enough
[16:02] <asac> how can i checkout http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/playground/base/plasma/applets/networkmanager/ ?
[16:03] <asac> e.g. what would be the url to use with svn?
[16:07] <rgreening> asac: 1 sec... I'll get it...
[16:08] <rgreening> asac: try this... svn co svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk/playground/base/plasma/applets/networkmanager/
[16:09] <rgreening> asac: or this if you are behind a fw which has restricted ports...: svn co svn://websvn.kde.org:443/home/kde/trunk/playground/base/plasma/applets/networkmanager/
[16:13] <rgreening> Riddell: did shtylman get update-notifier-kde updated? We need to push this as the icons are still broken in current published version.
[16:13] <asac> thx
[16:13] <rgreening> asac: np :)
[16:21] <maco> wait that reminds me
[16:21] <maco> asac, that bug that was in the release notes for jaunty where wpa2 didnt work with kde's network manager ....is that fixed?
[16:21] <maco> (i'm still using /etc/network/interfaces)
[16:38] <asac> any clue where knmdbus might be hidden?
[16:38] <asac> e.g. the sources?
[16:38] <asac> maco: well. thats the point
[16:39] <asac> seems its not
[16:39] <asac> well. even regressed
[16:39] <asac> someone is reporting that plasma worked in jaunty, but now not anymore
[16:39] <maco> asac, lovely :(
[16:39] <asac> Tonio__: could you check whether latest svn for plasma network manager works?
[16:39] <asac> Tonio__: i cant seem to find knmdbus
[16:40] <maco> plasma works in karmic for wired internet, but that's all i got
[16:40] <maco> oh hey while you're here
[16:40] <maco> is it intentional that when i comment out my wlan0 stanza in /etc/network/interfaces, i have to reboot to get NM to pick it up again?
[16:41] <maco> i thought restarting NM should be sufficient for it to start managing the device again, but it seems not
[16:41] <asac> maco: yes. you can also sudo killall nm-system-settings
[16:41] <asac> maco: in 0.8 this will move into main daemon again so NM restart will reload it
[16:41] <maco> ah, alright. thanks
[16:41] <asac> so knmdbus is in networkmanager tree itself
[16:42] <asac> now wonder how to teach cmake to add proper -L for the link command that couldnt find it ;)
[16:43] <seele> Lure: thanks
[16:46] <Ramblurr> is the firefox-3.5 package supposed to pull in gnome packages?
[16:46] <maco> maybe firefox's gtk theming stuff?
[16:50] <cbr> why is firefox 3.5 still named Shiretoko?
[16:51] <maco> i think we still have the beta
[16:52] <maco> ummm....or not. help -> about doesnt say beta
[16:54] <cbr> yup, it's final imo
[17:11] <Riddell> rgreening: he made the change in a branch
[17:11] <Riddell> rgreening: the council vote is on the ~kubuntu-members page on launchpad, I guess I should announce it
[17:12] <rgreening> heh
[17:12] <rgreening> Riddell: want to publish the update-notifier change too
[17:12] <Riddell> glatzor: there's libpolkit-qt0 will that be policykit-1?
[17:18] <rgreening> Riddell: was 3 positions, correct?
[17:19] <glatzor> Riddell, I don't think so. I talked with dantti and he hasn't yet worked on the kde library
[17:19] <Riddell> rgreening: yes
[17:19] <rgreening> whee...
[17:19] <glatzor> Riddell, but I was confused by the poilicykit-kde version number, which is 0.9.2
[17:19] <rgreening> I'll take bronze
[17:57] <Riddell> so, what should I talk about tomorrow in my session?
[17:59] <maco> session?
[17:59] <maco> gran canaria, you mean
[17:59] <maco> ?
[18:00] <Riddell> yes
[18:00] <Riddell> why is the Kubuntu community so cool?
[18:09] <asac> anyone can help me geting this one built: https://edge.launchpad.net/~network-manager/+archive/ppa/+files/plasma-widget-network-manager_0.0+svn992686~asac-0ubuntu1~nm1.dsc
[18:09] <asac> i managed to build it using cmake and build, but the package fails apparently because it doesnt build the knmdbus lib
[18:10] <Riddell> asac: you took a new svn snapshot?
[18:10] <asac> yeah
[18:10] <asac> there is no get-orig-source or something
[18:11] <asac> Riddell: i added ~asac to the upstream version
[18:11] <asac> in case the tarball was done wrong ;)
[18:11] <asac> i just tarred the dir  up
[18:13] <Riddell> let me try building
[18:14] <asac> Riddell: the knmdbus lib gets build from lib/dbus
[18:14] <asac> but in the package the make file seems to be not produced for that dir
[18:15] <Riddell> asac: there's nothing in libs/dbus
[18:15] <Riddell> except the CMakeLists.txt file
[18:17] <Riddell> http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/playground/base/plasma/applets/networkmanager/libs/dbus/?view=log  "Move the classes for monitoring NMSystemSettings' connections to the new
[18:17] <Riddell> backend."
[18:17] <Riddell> I wonder where that is then
[18:18] <asac> wow
[18:18] <asac> what did i do ;)
[18:21] <asac> Riddell: most likely backends/dbus
[18:21] <asac> err backends/NetworkManager
[18:21] <asac> too bad. so the build is broken
[18:22] <asac> i wonder why it built here
[18:23] <Riddell> do you have knmdbus from a previous plasma-widget-network-manager version maybe?
[18:24] <Riddell> asac: is there a reason for needing a new version?
[18:24] <asac> Riddell: yes. wpa is broken
[18:24] <asac> i wanted to give that some users to test it
[18:24] <asac> also i hoped to understand how the plasma nm can be build/packaged
[18:24] <asac> so i can keep my eyes on it a bit more in future
[18:25] <asac> NM changed how they handle passphrases a bit
[18:25] <asac> in latest 0.7.1
[18:26] <Riddell> asac: I can ask the author tomorrow when I see him what the status is with that
[18:27] <asac> ok thanks. tell him that it would be great to have a tree that builds ;)
[18:27] <asac> jk
[18:27] <asac> let me know
[18:29] <Riddell> rgreening: update-notifier-kde uploaded
[18:29] <rgreening> :)
[18:55] <Riddell> seele: do you want to say a few words about papercuts at the BoF tomorrow?
[18:58] <Riddell> davidbarth: if you see aurelien tell him he should say something about what he's working on at the Kubuntu session tomorrow
[19:00] <neversfelde> in which package is the weather wallpaper plugin in karmic?
[19:06] <Riddell> neversfelde: kdeplasma-addons I suspect
[19:06] <Riddell> oh actually the plasma-addons-wallpapers one
[19:07] <Riddell> which brings in lots of depds
[19:07] <neversfelde> Riddell: thx
[19:20]  * DaskreeCH knows there will be al ot of interest in having the starfield wallpaper for Koala
[19:31] <DaskreeCH> seele: What is the touchstone for a dialog having an Apply button vs it Only having Ok Cancel?
[19:38] <Riddell> DaskreeCH: seele knows
[19:38] <DaskreeCH> Riddell: erm?
[19:38] <DaskreeCH> About the starfield or the button choice?
[19:49] <Riddell> buttons
[20:31] <seele> sebas: ping
[20:42] <Riddell> 18:55 < Riddell> seele: do you want to say a few words about papercuts at the BoF tomorrow?
[20:49] <hsitter> Riddell: did you find kevin?
[20:50] <Riddell> hsitter: yes, the goods are delivered
[20:50] <hsitter> awesome
[20:50]  * hsitter hands Riddell a cookie
[21:47] <Riddell> kwwii_: alive?
[21:51]  * hsitter thinks rgreening is biased on bug 396698
[21:51] <DaskreeCH> >_>
[21:51] <DaskreeCH> Is that a bug against bad weather or a bad bug about the weather ?
[21:52] <hsitter> depends on the POV I suppose
[21:52]  * hsitter needs to dent that bug
[21:53] <DaskreeCH> gah. I'm hating the english
[21:55] <Riddell> you'd fit right in to Scotland
[21:57] <hsitter> lol
[21:58] <hsitter> that reminds me of my ultimate plan of getting a kilt though ... which I need to archive sometime soon, otherwise I can't drown peacefully
[22:00] <DaskreeCH> hsitter: does that mean you are going to hit the bug or µ-blog it?
[22:01] <hsitter> the latter I suppose
[22:05] <hsitter> uhm
[22:05] <hsitter> arora only speaks english?
[22:07] <hsitter> http://img.ffffound.com/static-data/assets/6/8babdc266adefaa577f400b06ee05f53e559f348_m.jpg
[22:07] <hsitter> it is somehow distrubing to read that at the google read login page
[22:08] <hsitter> *google reader even
[22:10] <Riddell> ?
[22:10] <Riddell> arora speaks whatever it has been translated into
[22:10] <Riddell> hi Monika|K
[22:12] <Monika|K> hi Jon
[22:14] <hsitter> Riddell: yeah, but bug 396309 comment #2
[22:15] <hsitter> also arora on jaunty does not do german, so unless it got a lot of translation recently, I think that is the ultimate reason for not using it as web browser
[22:15] <hsitter> since it is kind of a shot in the back of our head
[22:15] <DaskreeCH> goes against the main principle of Ubuntu?
[22:16] <hsitter> first we fight and moarn about how launchpad makes our l10n fall apart and then we introduce a default web browser that is not even translated into the most essential languages
[22:16] <hsitter> + got no launchpad integration due to Qt-onlyness
[22:17] <hsitter> that really needs to be evaluated
[22:17] <hsitter> but now I gotta go to bed :)
[22:17] <hsitter> nini
[22:17] <DaskreeCH> nini
[22:18]  * DaskreeCH is switching from arora to Konqui as default in his Koala install as it simply doesn't work with his websites
[22:20] <Monika|K> it doesn't really matter what the default browser on Kubuntu is, first thing people do is install Firefox anyway
[22:20] <DaskreeCH> Monika|K: in that case it does matter what the default is eh?
[22:21] <Monika|K> hm? why?
[22:22] <DaskreeCH> if of all our packages one instantly provokes a replace this reaction then the default needs to be looked at
[22:23] <Monika|K> yeah, a really good default browser in KDE would be nice
[22:24] <Monika|K> but what can be as good as Firefox anyway ... import the profile that was used on Windows already ... all the extensions ...
[22:25] <DaskreeCH> Well that's a problem that we have to attack :) But it still means that our default matters
[22:28] <DaskreeCH> Hmm just got hsitter's dent
[22:29] <Monika|K> his dent?
[22:34]  * DaskreeCH nods
[22:34] <DaskreeCH> http://identi.ca/apachelogger
[22:38] <Monika|K> dent: http://www.sosdent.com/images/estimate/dentCrease-lg.jpg