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* BUGabundo there goes U100:00
yofelBUGabundo: what server do you use? I just upgraded U1 fine from archive.ubuntu.com00:00
BUGabundoyofel: PPA ?00:00
BUGabundois there another ?00:01
yofel... forgot that u1 was a ppa...00:01
yofelbut anyway, I got:00:02
yofel *** 0.90.3+r64-0ubuntu1~ppa1~karmic 000:02
yofel        500 http://ppa.launchpad.net karmic/main Packages00:02
BUGabundoso now I have 3 commands to run to check for updates... thanks so much Sarvatt /sarcasm00:02
Sarvattif anything purge ubuntuone-client and reinstall it with the karmic version after00:02
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Sarvattyou need to let it remove fast-user-switch-applet to upgrade GDM, and get ready for X to stop in the middle of the GDM upgrade00:02
BUGabundoubuntuone-client-gnome:  Candidate: 0.90.3+r64-0ubuntu1~ppa1~jaunty00:03
BUGabundoubuntuone-client:  Installed: 0.90.3+r66-0ubuntu1~ppa1~jaunty00:03
Sarvattjust control-alt-f1 then sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade and let it do everything and reboot00:03
yofelSarvatt: shouldn't have gdm ubuntu3 fixed that?00:03
BUGabundowent fine00:03
BUGabundoI'm still here after GDM upgrade00:03
Sarvattyeah it did but only for future upgrades00:03
Sarvattahh ok so its just upgrading from 2.26 0ubuntu1 or 0ubuntu2 that stops it00:03
yofelSarvatt: he still had the *old* gdm installed00:03
BUGabundoseems so00:03
BUGabundoonce again, saved by aptitude00:04
BUGabundo:))00:04
yofelSarvatt: exactly, the posrm scripts kill gdm there :(00:04
BUGabundodarn it. another reboot required00:04
BUGabundocan't beat a one day uptime now :(00:04
Sarvatttheres another kernel coming soon :D00:04
yofelSarvatt: why that?00:05
Sarvatt2.6.31-2.16 fixing up a dm-raid problem in 2.1500:05
billybigrigshould be fixing gspca problems00:05
billybigrig:)00:05
Sarvattcould always use jaunty if a breakage like that is that big a deal :D00:06
billybigrigor the .30 kernel00:06
billybigrigi'd like to know what change from .30 to .31 that killed webcams00:06
BUGabundoor talk to upstream00:07
Sarvatti think its a udev or usb-utils problem, i'm getting errors for usb in general flooding my dmesg00:07
Sarvatt[15250.140159] usb 4-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 9900:07
Sarvatt[15250.552132] usb 4-1: device not accepting address 99, error -7100:07
Sarvatt[15250.552181] hub 4-0:1.0: unable to enumerate USB device on port 100:07
BUGabundoany one noticing huge slow downs on youtube videos on fullscreen? Firefox 3.6, flash 64bits00:15
BUGabundoworks ok on regular size window00:15
kklimondaBUGabundo: I've noticed a big speed up when reinstalled system and installed 32 bit by mistake ;)00:18
BUGabundoLOLOLOLOL00:19
BUGabundoyofel: Get:1 http://ppa.launchpad.net jaunty/main ubuntuone-client-gnome 0.90.3+r66-0ubuntu1~ppa1~jaunty [101kB]00:21
BUGabundogot it from the nigtly PPA00:21
Sarvattswitch your sources from jaunty to karmic...00:22
Zorael^2Anyone here versed in python-fu to whom the traceback at http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/209893/ makes any sense?00:22
BUGabundoSarvatt: U1 ppl say not ready00:22
kklimondaZorael^2: looks like apt's api has changed00:22
Zorael^2kklimonda: I keep getting "wfm" responses about it though00:22
kklimondaZorael^2: from other people who use KK (or the same distro you do?)00:23
kklimonda?00:23
BUGabundoZorael is envy still active as a stand alone?00:23
BUGabundothough it was integreated into jokey00:23
Zorael^2kklimonda: from BUGabundo and this channel, so supposedly the same00:24
Zorael^2BUGabundo: Huh, it was?00:24
BUGabundome !?!?00:24
Zorael^2oyes. :300:24
Zorael^2[Sat Jul 4 2009] [18:41:47] <BUGabundo>        Zorael^2: wfm00:24
kklimondaZorael^2: what version of python-apt do you have?00:25
BUGabundoSarvatt: oh look there's a karmic u1 after all00:25
Zorael^2kklimonda: The one in karmic main, 0.7.10.4ubuntu100:26
SarvattBUGabundo: the ubuntuone-client from deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntuone/nightlies/ubuntu karmic main works fine for me00:26
kklimondaZorael^2: it can't work with python-apt and envy-core from KK - I've just checked sources00:27
Sarvattkarmics libs are so different from jaunty, i'm surprised the jaunty one works :D00:27
Zorael^2kklimonda: okay, thanks. :>00:28
kklimondaZorael^2: python-apt 0.7.10 has broken an API00:28
kklimondaZorael^2:  and envy-core (at least the version from KK) wasn't ported yet00:29
yofelgood night folks00:54
BUGabundobye yofel00:55
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DanaGodd... I seem to have TWO instances of notify-osd running.01:08
DanaGAnd one of them... is really tiny.01:08
BUGabundolol01:09
DanaGOne seems to be running from the login screen.01:09
DanaGRuns as user 'gdm'01:09
DanaGAnd only the network notifications appear in it.01:10
m_tadeuhi everyone01:13
DanaGoh yeah, but on the plus side, I've tweaked it so I can use my volume hotkeys at the login screen.01:13
m_tadeuI have a recovery partiion in which I want to put the ubuntu install disk...is there a howto to do that?01:13
DanaG"unetbootin" is one good option.01:14
BUGabundom_tadeu: sure! delete it and isntall there?01:14
DanaGIt's a googleable term.01:14
m_tadeuthanks....I'm on it01:18
* BUGabundo $ do radom_pool (bath;sleep;breakfast;work);01:25
billybigrigBUGabundo: whats up with your quit messages haha01:27
BUGabundobillybigrig: sleep deprevived makes typos01:27
BUGabundo:)01:27
BUGabundogone01:27
m_tadeushould the partition have a specific type? or it can be ext3?01:27
BUGabundom_tadeu: should sufice01:28
m_tadeuhowcome I was able to boot from a karmic64 in an intel core duo?01:39
RAOFm_tadeu: Because your core duo is really a core duo 2 and hense supports x86-64?01:43
m_tadeuRAOF: I didn't know about that feature01:45
RAOFAll intel processors for the last 5 years or so have supported x86-64.  Now there's the exception of some Atom processors though, I think.01:46
m_tadeutought they all had 32bit registers01:46
RAOFIn IA32 mode, yes.  Long mode is an x86-64 extension to IA32.01:47
m_tadeucool :)01:47
RAOFSorry; what I _actually_ meant there is... "in protected mode, yes".  Long mode is an extension in the same way protected mode was an extension to real mode.01:48
m_tadeuI see :)01:49
m_tadeunow....I used unetbootin to set my recovery partition with karmic....when I press f11 I get "Boot error"...where can I check for problems?01:52
nhasianhey hey what's going on today?01:58
billybigriggerhmm03:07
billybigriggeranyone here by chance have a working scanner with xsane?03:07
DanaGdtchen: updated my bug comments.  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/28431904:02
ubottuUbuntu bug 284319 in linux "mute, brightness buttons on new HP 6930p laptop" [Undecided,New]04:02
poseidonAnyone know of a package to pull in the acmkdir tool?04:03
poseidonI can't find it anywhere.  Even in the debian pdo.  It is part of the gnu autotoolset (included in source tarbell)04:16
sahakhello04:59
sahakis gdm autologin no longer possible in Ubuntu 9.10?04:59
DanaGTake a look at /etc/gdm/custom.conf perhaps.05:11
DanaGhow long was that guy here?05:11
DanaG8:58 to 9:06.05:11
xsacha-tvhi, there is no Screen Resolution under Prefs in 9.10? How do I fixed misaligned screen? thx06:21
|ns|nR8what type of videocard do you have06:21
|ns|nR8nvidia ?06:22
xsacha-tvnvidia 8400gs06:22
|ns|nR8have you installed the nvidia driver ?06:22
xsacha-tvyeah nvidia-glx-18006:22
|ns|nR8enabled it in hardware ?06:22
xsacha-tvYEP06:22
xsacha-tv:) sorry caps06:23
|ns|nR8ok..how i adjust the resolution is install nvidia-settings06:23
|ns|nR8and run that06:23
xsacha-tvi looked through that before but cant see how to adjust a misaligned screen06:23
xsacha-tvi can change resolution, sure, but it's already on 1920x108006:24
|ns|nR8LCD?06:24
|ns|nR8ah ok06:24
xsacha-tvyeah06:24
xsacha-tvi cant see edges of my screen (all four edges get cut off)06:25
|ns|nR8can the refresh rate be adjusted ?06:25
|ns|nR8or is its max 6006:25
xsacha-tv6006:25
xsacha-tvit gives me 60,50,30,25,24 but i dont think i want less than 6006:26
|ns|nR8um06:26
mase_workif you have an lcd your referesh rate is meaningless06:26
mase_workyou want the video device and the monitor to be synced06:26
mase_workaside from that it doesn't matter06:27
mase_workotherwise you will get tearing06:27
xsacha-tvon windows it only gives option of 60 so i dont think my monitor even supports the others06:27
xsacha-tvanyway, any idea how to align screen?06:27
mase_work60 is fine06:27
xsacha-tvin 9.04 i think i could do it in Prefs->Screen Resolution06:28
|ns|nR8its in pref, display06:28
|ns|nR8on 9.0406:28
xsacha-tvoh ok, well it doesnt offer any help either :( but it said my LCD screen was 7 inch before :P06:29
|ns|nR8thats a nice resolution for 7 inch screen06:29
|ns|nR8hehe06:29
mase_worknot sure you would be able to read much :)06:30
xsacha-tvit says Dimensions: 1920x1080 (160x90 millimeters) 305DPI06:31
xsacha-tvin nvidia-settings06:31
mase_workyour lucky :)06:31
xsacha-tvwhy?06:31
mase_worki would like a 305dpi screen06:31
|ns|nR8so maybe yu need to set correct monitor type06:31
xsacha-tvi dont have a 305dpi screen, do you think that's why it didnt align properly?06:31
xsacha-tvmy screen is 32"06:31
xsacha-tvcould i use xrandr?06:35
mase_workxsacha-tv: you can try. This is ubuntu+1 so your not guaranteed that it will actually work.06:36
mase_work:)06:36
mase_workalso did you say that you were using an nvidia card ?06:36
xsacha-tvyes06:36
mase_workif so are you using the binary driver ? because nvidia may not have updated it to handle the new Xorg. I don't have an nvidia card so they may have06:37
xsacha-tvmm im using glx-180. i tried the opensource driver and it has same issue06:37
mase_workthe opensource nvidia stuff isn't really that good either so i wouldn't use that as a benchmark06:38
mase_workdoes it work in jaunty ?06:38
* DanaG has 147DPI... it's nice.06:38
xsacha-tvhavent tried06:38
xsacha-tvit worked in another linux distro though (chakra)06:39
xsacha-tvhmm ill go searching for an auto button somewhere in my tvs maze of menus :P06:42
xsacha-tvnup, none :(06:47
mase_workxsacha-tv: you might be better off with a stable distro or something like chakra which is a rolling release06:54
mase_workif you really want to live on the edge06:54
xsacha-tvmase_work, alright :(06:59
xsacha-tvbut i dont think you can align screen in any ubuntu distro?06:59
xsacha-tvmight be a good idea for future to put aligner in the Prefs->Display07:00
mase_workalign screen ? i am not really having any issues with my screens so i am not entirely sure what you mean07:00
mase_worki have a pretty basic [---][--] setup07:00
xsacha-tvi've had this problem before on other monitors but i was just able to press the Auto adjust button. this tv doesnt have an adjust option07:01
mase_workk, not really sure sorry07:01
xsacha-tvi tried to find solution on google but it seems there is none (or maybe xrandr?). problem since 2005: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2158307:02
xsacha-tv2006: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-238779.html they just suggest Auto button on monitor :(07:02
mase_workyeh dunno sorry. i can't say i have encountered that07:03
xsacha-tvk07:03
DanaGoh yeah, nvidia lies about refresh rates.07:12
xsacha-tvhey DanaG :)07:13
DanaGwhaa?07:14
xsacha-tvxvidtune says my modeline is: "1920x1080"   148.50   1920 2008 2052 2200   1080 1084 1089 1125 +hsync +vsync   but it doesnt let me adjust cause it cant query monitor07:18
FFForeveranyone know of a evernote app for linux?07:18
eagles0513875anyone else having the issue where when you restart it just restarts and doesnt even bring up the grub count down so you can hit esc to choose which kernel you want to use07:26
hifijust when I was going to tell xsacha the solution for alignment07:31
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|ns|nR8i installed 9.10 but it didnt add my windows installations to grub10:07
tgpraveen!pulse-audio10:09
ubottuSorry, I don't know anything about pulse-audio10:09
tgpraveen!pulse10:09
ubottuPulseAudio is a sound server intended as a drop-in replacement for !ESD - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PulseAudio for information and installation instructions10:09
tgpraveenhow do i know the version of pulse audio in karmic10:10
tgpraveen?10:10
Hobbsee!info pulseaudio karmic10:10
ubottupulseaudio (source: pulseaudio): PulseAudio sound server. In component main, is optional. Version 1:0.9.15-4ubuntu1 (karmic), package size 540 kB, installed size 3432 kB10:10
Hobbsee^10:10
tgpraveenthx10:23
yofelgood morning folks10:26
WiclaHey. Anyone else having problems with xorg after restoring from suspend? gdm works fine but after being logged it's a "dark layer" (looks like very low brightness) but VTY:s still works normally and killing and restarting Xorg solves the problem11:18
billybigrigger|ns|nR8, you still alive?11:58
|ns|nR8yep11:58
billybigriggerhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2#Dual-booting11:58
|ns|nR8its k i figured it out thanks11:59
|ns|nR8ubuntu just restarted with volume on flat out...got welcome tune 1000watts rms plus12:00
|ns|nR8im still shaking12:00
|ns|nR8thats gotta a bug12:01
billybigriggeri have a problem similar12:02
billybigriggereverytime a new video file i have queued plays, like a playlist in vlc, the audio is cranked max each time a new item in the playlist starts12:03
|ns|nR8im getting an error about gdm simple greeter12:05
|ns|nR8at each boot now12:05
billybigriggeryes me to12:05
|ns|nR8after updating12:05
|ns|nR8prolly be fixed after a few more updates12:06
|ns|nR8cool wasnt just me12:06
billybigrigger/usr/share/gdm/autostart/LoginWindow and delete the metacity file.12:07
|ns|nR8that fixes it ? or just removes the error ?12:08
billybigriggernot sure, i think it fixes it12:09
|ns|nR8has your username in top right got the red square ?12:09
|ns|nR8mine hasnt12:09
billybigriggera red square? no mine doesn't12:11
|ns|nR8it hasnt got shutdown/restart in top right click menu12:11
|ns|nR8thats annoying12:11
billybigriggerits in system12:14
|ns|nR8yeah i noticed12:14
billybigriggerfast user switching applet has been removed recently12:14
|ns|nR8know why ?12:15
billybigriggersomething to do with the new gdm i think12:15
|ns|nR8ah k12:16
billybigriggerdoesn't support it or something i can't remember why12:16
|ns|nR8spose i can live with out it for awhile12:16
billybigriggeri remember someone saying it was going to make its way back soon, so it's temporary12:17
billybigriggerbut i'm not %100 on that12:17
|ns|nR8cool12:17
|ns|nR8its not remember authentication on montable drives either12:18
|ns|nR8spose i can live with that aswell12:18
|ns|nR8hmm12:20
|ns|nR8my wireless aint working now12:20
|ns|nR8after updating either12:20
|ns|nR8bloody hell12:20
|ns|nR8alright..this is a bit too buggy for my liking12:21
billybigriggerhaha welcome to +`12:23
billybigriggererr12:23
billybigrigger+1 even12:23
|ns|nR8haha12:23
|ns|nR8its always too buggy till at least beta12:23
|ns|nR8thought id try my luck again12:24
billybigriggeri haven't had any showstopper bugs in A212:24
billybigriggerwebcam doesn't work, and videos are being set with hue -100012:24
EmeryI see12:26
EmeryAnyone having problems with 9.10 ?12:29
gnomefreakgdm is broken and will be that way for a while12:29
gnomefreakEmery: that maybe where your problems are12:30
Emeryhaha Greaaaaaaaat12:30
Emerydefine "broken"12:30
gnomefreakEmery: different for everyone but after talking with one of the core devs he said until gnome fixes it it is broken12:31
Emerythat tells me nothing though..12:31
gnomefreakEmery: Emery i cant tell you what problems you are seeing but gdm is pretty much broken until upstream gnome fix it12:33
EmeryI'm in the process of upgrading12:33
EmeryI'm sure it's fixable12:33
gnomefreakEmery: the devs cant fix it i highly doubt a user can12:34
gnomefreakEmery: if it was fixable i would have fixed mine already12:34
Emerywho says you have to use gdm12:34
Emeryyou can use any dm and access gnome12:34
gnomefreakEmery: i didnt say gnome was broken i said gdm is broken12:35
Emeryi never said it was12:35
gnomefreakyou said you dont have to use gdm. i said gdm is broken so changing to say xdm or kdm or what not they are not broken12:36
Emeryyeah so i'm going to use those12:36
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amikropHello. I don't have sound on random boots.13:09
amikropBut then, if I reboot it is solved.13:09
amikropNow is a boot in which I don't have sound.13:09
amikropSo, it could be an opportunity to find out what goes wrong.13:09
amikropAny commands or actions generally, I should do, to see what's wrong?13:10
amikropThanks, in advance.13:10
Emeryalsa-conf ?13:10
amikropEmery: I have pulsedauio everywhere in my System->Preferences->Sound13:11
Emeryhave you tried alsa ?13:11
billybigriggerhave you looked at pavucontrol?13:11
amikropEmery: in previous ubuntu versions13:12
Emerytry alsa13:12
amikropEmery: ok13:12
billybigriggeror check your pulse audio control sliders13:12
billybigriggerpavucontrol13:12
amikropbillybigrigger: how can I do that?13:12
billybigrigger:)13:12
amikropok13:12
Emeryhe said when he boots it's sometimes not working13:12
Emerywont be because the sound is off13:13
amikropEmery: I 'll do a pavucontrol and if it fails I 'll fall back to alsa.13:13
billybigriggerahh misread13:13
amikropEmery: oh, you say it is a pulseaudio bug?13:13
Emeryno billybigrigger misheard i was correcting him13:13
amikropwhy should I change to alsa, is pulseaudio buggy?13:14
billybigriggerseems to work ok this cycle for me :P13:14
Emerywell it's not working for you... i'm not saying you should .. just try it13:14
Emerymight work for you13:14
Emeryi've never had sound problems13:15
amikropI set ALSA in preferences->sound clicked test, it didn't make a sound and it froze13:15
amikrop* freezed13:15
Emeryconfigure alsa13:15
amikropok, any way I can kill the window? :P13:15
Emeryalsa-driver13:16
Emeryalsa-lib13:16
Emeryalsa-utils13:16
Emeryinstall those13:16
amikropok13:16
Emerythen i think it's ... alsa-conf13:16
Emerycan't remmeber the command13:16
amikrophow can I kill the sound preferences window that it frize?13:16
amikrop* freezed :P13:16
Emeryfroze*13:16
Emerylol13:17
Emeryopen terminal13:17
amikropfroze, ok :P13:17
Emeryps -a13:17
Emerykill -9 pid13:17
amikrop$ kill -9 pid13:17
amikropbash: kill: pid: arguments must be process or job IDs13:17
amikropoh, ok13:17
yofelamikrop: it should be gnome-sound-properties so: killall -s 9 gnome-sound-properties13:17
Emeryamikrop,13:17
Emerypid number13:17
Emerynot pid13:17
Emerylol13:17
amikropok :P13:18
amikropyofel: thanks, it worked :)13:18
amikropok, I will try alsa, then. hmm, it's quite complicated, oss, alsa, pulseaudio...13:18
Emeryamikrop, remember the commands i told you13:18
Emerywill come in handy13:18
amikropthey're all 3 installed and available and they all have different configuration and tools :S13:19
amikrop(the 3 sound systems)13:19
amikropwill Karmic have only 1 available and fully supported?13:19
amikropI mean the final Karmic13:19
yofelhm, wasn't pulseaudio only a mixer that used alsa for hardware-access ?13:19
Emeryin terminal13:19
Emeryalsaconf13:19
amikropEmery: $ alsaconf13:24
amikropbash: alsaconf: command not found13:24
amikropEmery: $ alsamixer13:24
amikropalsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory13:24
Emeryhttp://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php/Quick_Install13:25
amikropEmery: ok, alsamixer worked with sudo, but it all seems OK13:26
amikropit seems configured, volumes are in high levels13:27
yofel amikrop what does pavucontrol say?13:27
amikroptried Sound Preferences, "Test" with ALSA, but didn't work, again13:29
amikropyofel: I am installing it now13:29
Emeryamikrop, if you get it working post how on the forums13:29
Emerybound to be other people with the problem13:29
amikropok13:29
Emery=]13:29
amikrophmm, I ran pavucontrol13:29
yofeliirc when I used alsa in jaunty I had to remove pulseaudio first, but pulse should work13:29
amikroppavucontrol looks ok13:30
yofelamikrop: you could try to run pulseaudio as a system deamon, see /etc/default/pulseaudio13:31
billybigriggeramikrop, play with the volume sliders13:31
amikropyofel: E: pid.c: Daemon already running.13:31
amikropbillybigrigger: they are in high level13:31
billybigriggeryea13:31
billybigriggerbring them down and up13:31
billybigriggeri guess bugabundo says it works for him sometimes13:32
billybigriggeri think he needs to lay off the pipe personally. but....13:32
billybigriggerhaha don't tell him that13:32
Emerypeace pipe13:32
amikrop:P13:32
yofelI use pulse as a system deamon here and it work flawless13:32
amikropyofel: me too, apart from some boots :P13:33
amikropyou know, especially when I remove the wire that connects my laptop to the speakers13:34
amikropand reboot13:34
amikropthen it might not work13:34
amikropbut a reboot fixes it13:34
amikropor I change my speakers with others13:34
amikropit seems it wants a reboot to recognize the new situation13:35
amikropsomething like that13:35
yofelo.O13:35
billybigriggerwhat kernel just out of curiosity?13:35
amikrop2.6.28-11-generic13:35
billybigriggerwow13:36
amikropwhat? :P13:36
billybigriggeryou know we're testing 2.6.31-2 right now?13:36
amikropno13:36
billybigriggernot saying that is your problem13:36
billybigriggerbut...13:36
billybigrigger:P13:36
amikrop:)13:36
billybigriggerfyi13:36
amikropok ;)13:36
billybigriggermaybe you should update your system?13:37
amikropmaybe ;)13:37
amikroplet's see if a reboot fixes it this time13:37
yofelhm, that reminds me that I should clean up my system... I've got like 13 kernels installed...13:38
billybigriggeri cleaned out a bunch of kernels yesterday :P13:38
yofelso, got rid of everything except 30-10 and 31-2 :)13:41
billybigriggeri think im gonna do a fresh install today13:52
billybigriggeri afraid haha13:53
Emeryi'm still upgrading to 9.10 37 mins remaining13:55
yofelme too I think, I want my dead keys back :(14:08
c_korncan someone confirm bug 384582 ?14:25
ubottuLaunchpad bug 384582 in vlc "vlc-1.0.0~rc2: Wallpaper is shown when compiz enabled, fullscreen and moving mouse" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/38458214:25
billybigriggernope14:30
billybigriggerfullscreen playing a video14:30
billybigriggermoving my mouse does not show background14:30
billybigriggervlc:14:30
billybigrigger  Installed: 1.0.0~rc2-1ubuntu114:30
billybigrigger  Candidate: 1.0.0~rc2-1ubuntu114:30
yofelnope, works fine here as well14:31
yofelc_korn: what graphic driver?14:31
billybigriggernvidia-glx-180:14:32
billybigrigger  Installed: 185.18.14-0ubuntu314:32
billybigrigger  Candidate: 185.18.14-0ubuntu314:32
yofelI remember to have that with some early version of nvidia 180, like <180.44 but now it works fine14:32
c_kornI use nvidia 185.18.14 drivers14:35
yofelc_korn: which card?14:37
|ns|nR8VLC 1.0 is out14:37
yofelcool XD14:37
c_kornnvidia nvs quadro 140m14:39
Ian_Cornewhat's new about vlc 1?14:39
yofelc_korn: ok... thats the same as me o.O14:40
c_korn:P14:40
c_korndo you also have the same drivers installed?14:40
yofelyes14:40
c_kornthe ones from nvidia?14:41
yofelthe ones from the repository14:41
yofel  Installed: 185.18.14-0ubuntu314:41
|ns|nR8new features listed on http://www.videolan.org/14:41
yofelc_korn: what kernel do you use? the one from nvidia shouldn't work with 2.6.31 yet iirc14:42
gnomefreakyofel: it does here for 173 drivers since they are borked in repos14:46
gnomefreakjust have to rebuild them when running .run file14:46
billybigrigger185.18.14 works fine with 2.6.31-214:47
yofelbillybigrigger: the one from the repos with the .31 patch yes, but the one from nvidia?14:48
gnomefreak173 should be only broken one atm since it has moved to legacy14:48
billybigriggeryofel, ahh i getcha14:48
billybigriggeri don't use nvidia.com's14:48
yofelbillybigrigger: me neither, if anything the x-swat ppa is enough14:48
Emerygnomefreak, is it the greeter that is broken in the gdm ?14:49
yofelhuh? what's broken in gdm? (except the missing gdmsetup)14:50
gnomefreakEmery: no well not sure if it is i dont have it enabled. but gdm is broken gdm for this topic meaning gnome14:50
Picigdm will restart during its upgrade14:50
billybigriggeryofel, weres the link to xswat? i should check it out14:50
Emeryi'm not sure gnomefreak  said it was .. yet it works fine for me14:50
gnomefreakPici: few other issues but that was as of last night when i pinged pitti about it14:50
yofelbillybigrigger: give me a moment, but right now the driver from the karmic repos is the newest14:51
billybigriggeryofel, nevermind  then :P14:51
yofelbillybigrigger: for future reference: https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/x-updates14:51
Picignomefreak: ah, I was just referring to the email that pitti sent to ubuntu-devel-announce14:51
gnomefreaki disabled logs a while ago so i dont have it handy14:52
gnomefreak!logs14:52
ubottuOfficial channel logs can be found at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ - For LoCo channels, http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/freenode/14:52
yofelPici: yeah, but that should be fixed now since ubuntu314:53
gnomefreakgnomefreak: it breaks gdm pretty much completely14:54
gnomefreakthats what i got last night14:54
gnomefreakasking about lower panel bug i have14:54
Cajunmgcan you run a windows based progam on ubuntu?14:54
gnomefreakyou _need_ to install it in screen, or a VT (also was said14:55
gnomefreak)*14:55
yofelCajunmg: you can try with 'wine' but general: no14:55
Cajunmgok14:55
CajunmgI'm  newbi  whats "wine"?14:55
yofelCajunmg: www.winehq.org14:56
gnomefreakEmery: the full convo is at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2009/07/07/%23ubuntu-devel.html  just look for my nick there14:56
PiciCajunmg: I think #ubuntu would be a better place to ask questions. #ubuntu+1 is only for discussion and support of the in-development version of Ubuntu14:56
Emerygnomefreak, well it works for me so..14:56
gnomefreakAround the 6:00 section14:56
gnomefreakEmery: thats good but that is what i got from core dev that is what im going on14:57
Emerypretty useless to me then ;)14:57
* gnomefreak brb i need to think. i cant find the snipit of code im looking for.14:58
Cajunmgthanks15:00
yofelcan anybody here boot todays daily? I don't even get to the language selector15:00
billybigriggeryofel, im cleaning up my home and about to try it15:01
billybigriggerthanks for the heads up, might as well burn the A2 disk while im at it :P15:01
* Ian_Corne doesn't like empathy so far15:03
billybigrigger32 or 64bit?15:03
* billybigrigger high fives Ian_Corne 15:03
yofelbillybigrigger: 64bit15:03
Ian_Cornei like the idea behind it15:03
Ian_Cornebut the interface is just blergh15:03
billybigriggerinterface?15:03
billybigriggerhow about features?15:03
gnomefreakyofel: try the one from 2 days ago15:03
yofelgnomefreak: where do I get that?15:04
billybigriggeri can't even send / recieve files with msn15:04
billybigriggergnomefreak, 0705?15:04
Ian_Cornetrue billybigrigger15:04
Ian_Cornebut i don't use msn for that anyways15:04
Ian_Corneas that blows :D15:04
gnomefreakyofel: food question billybigrigger yes or earlier15:04
billybigriggerall i see for daily is 0706 and 070715:04
yofelwell, I'll give the one from yesterday a try15:05
* billybigrigger waits for yofel15:05
billybigrigger:P15:05
gnomefreakheres junes http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/karmic/alpha-2/ but still looking15:06
gnomefreakits getting a slideshow :)15:06
yofel^^15:06
billybigriggerthats the a2 disk i was orginally planning on using15:06
billybigriggerbut though i'd give daily a go15:06
billybigriggerIan_Corne, don't ya know, all the hot chicks are on msn15:07
billybigriggerhaha15:07
Ian_Corneyes15:07
Ian_Cornebut they don't need files sending15:07
Ian_Cornethey need webcamming!15:07
Ian_Corne:p15:07
billybigriggeryes, and that doesn't work either15:07
billybigriggerbut i need a working webcam with .31 first before anything :P15:07
Ian_Corneaha15:08
Ian_Cornei'll try mine15:08
Ian_Cornewebcamp app?15:08
billybigrigger.30 works great15:08
billybigriggercheese15:08
billybigriggeri don't know of any others15:08
Ian_Cornekk15:08
gnomefreakyofel: sorry cant find julys atm15:08
billybigriggerwow15:09
yofelhm, the webcam in my eeePC 1000H works with 31-215:10
billybigrigger9.4mb/sec file transfers blow15:10
Ian_Cornei got a ee pc 1000h too :p15:10
yofel:)15:10
billybigriggeronly 22GB to go15:10
Ian_Corneyofel: do you use an applet to enable/disable those thng?15:10
* billybigrigger glances at his POS ms vx-100015:11
Ian_Corneyeah it works billybigrigger15:11
billybigriggeri think its my pos :P15:11
tgpraveenbillybigrigger: webcam and file transfer are coming very15:11
tgpraveensoon to empathy15:11
tgpraveenmost probably in time for karmic15:12
yofeliirc the only IM that supported my webcam was kopete...15:12
yofelnot that I use it anyway15:12
billybigriggertgpraveen, nice15:13
billybigriggertgpraveen, good news :P15:13
macoemesen supports webcam, doesnt it?15:13
macoor was it amsn?15:13
billybigriggertgpraveen, might make the transition to empathy alot nicer if it did support that15:13
billybigriggermy internet girlfriend in asia would love that15:13
billybigriggerhaha15:13
tgpraveenbillybigrigger: "internet gf" hehe15:13
billybigriggerwho am i kidding, i don't have an internet gf :(15:14
billybigriggerwill one of those come in karmic aswell?15:14
tgpraveenanyways video chat on google and msn should most likely make it and jabber is alredy there15:14
billybigriggernice15:14
tgpraveenbillybigrigger: it wont be in main maybe in universe ;-)15:15
* billybigrigger high fives tgpraveen 15:15
Ian_Cornewtb esc closes chat + less of a chatroom window for IM convo's15:16
billybigriggertgpraveen so when you say coming soon...and probably in time for karmic?15:16
billybigriggerare we talking day before feature freeze?15:17
billybigrigger:P15:17
billybigriggerand random poll, how big is everyone's /boot partition15:18
Ian_Cornepartition?15:18
Ian_Cornepffft15:18
billybigriggerlast time i installed was on jaunty release, never set one up for a dev cycle15:18
tgpraveenbillybigrigger: well empathy is gnome app so it will follow gnome's release cycle15:18
yofeldon't have a /boot partition anymore since grub215:18
Ian_Cornedu -sch /boot/15:18
Ian_Corne54M/boot/15:18
billybigriggernot even for testing kernels?15:18
tgpraveenright now google video caht support is pretty much in. just needs a little testing.15:18
billybigriggermaybe i should ditch msn for google :P15:19
Ian_Cornewhat's the benefit of a /boot partition?15:19
billybigriggeri think that would be the last ms product i have to ditch15:19
yofelIan_Corne: encrypted root is the only thing I know of15:19
Ian_Corneand why doesn't empathy show me a window on the taskbar when i have a new msg15:19
billybigriggerIan_Corne, it should15:19
billybigriggerIan_Corne, should have a *nice* notification, and icon should flash in the panel15:20
Ian_Corneit flashes the applet icon and i get a notify msg15:20
Ian_Corneyeah but that's it15:20
billybigriggerIan_Corne, get away from the term taskbar, that's a windows thing :P15:20
Ian_Cornei can't alt tab to it :(15:20
yofelI still have a /boot on my thinkpad that's going to be reinstalled now, and I'll get rid of /boot there15:20
tgpraveenbillybigrigger: u should ditch and join google. btw i hope u dont use msn for email gmail is just miles ahead.15:20
tgpraveenand as for msn video chat there is a branch on git for it but right we15:21
billybigriggertgpraveen, i have a hotmail account but i use it for a fake account15:21
yofelI only created it since grub1 didn't support boot from ext4 back then15:21
tgpraveenright now it is in development so dont expect to work much15:21
billybigriggertgpraveen, whats being more actively developed? msn or google compatibility?15:21
tgpraveenwell google uses a somewhat open protocol so it was easy to develop for and hence that is almost done15:22
Ian_Cornei only use msn because my friends use it :(15:22
tgpraveenmsn is right now being worked upon15:22
billybigriggerIan_Corne, same15:22
macobecause it has a long way to go15:22
billybigriggerand its hard enough to get them to switch to anything outside they're comfort zone15:22
billybigriggererr their15:23
yofelok, the daily from yesterday won't boot as well...15:23
* yofel goes downloading the a2 iso15:24
tgpraveenbillybigrigger: yeah such things are a problem that is why the best protocol in the world is XMPP as it is unfederated but well nobody uses it15:24
tgpraveen:-(15:24
Emeryis it possible to install KDE3.5 from gnome ?15:24
billybigriggerEmery, 3.5?15:24
Emeryyes .. 3.515:24
billybigriggerwhy not 4.3?15:25
Emerybecause i want 3.515:25
billybigriggerhah fair enough15:25
macoyou can probably get 3.5 librarires15:25
yofelI finally managed to get my last friends get themselves an jabber account and finally ditched ICQ XD15:25
billybigriggerEmery, not a kde guy, but i imagine15:25
macobut any app that exists for kde 4 and 3.5 is only in the repos for 415:25
macoi guess you could compile them all...15:25
Emerymaybe i should try debian repos15:25
billybigriggerhigh five for icq, thats almost as old as irc :P haha well not really but...15:25
macoEmery, keeping in mind that debian is not binary compatible with ubuntu, sure, you could rebuild debian's source packages15:26
billybigriggerahh poop15:34
billybigriggeranyone know how to resize a vbox image?15:34
billybigriggeri was dumb and made a 40gb disk for my virtual server15:34
billybigriggerand i don't have an extra 40gb to store it on my storage drive15:35
billybigriggerand re-configuring is out of the question15:35
GFH[Work]karmic is going to use 2.6.30, correct?15:47
billybigrigger.3115:47
GFH[Work]billybigrigger, oo, shinier. thank you15:48
gnomefreakGFH[Work]: no we are on 3.1 already15:49
gnomefreakfinal or not im not sure15:49
GFH[Work]o_O 3.1?15:50
gnomefreaksorry .3115:50
itswhatevanyone know if there is something new with compiz and viewport switching w wheel button4 & button5?15:50
itswhatevnamely, it doesn't switch15:50
GFH[Work]gnomefreak, heh, kernel.org says it's still in RC15:50
gnomefreakGFH[Work]: that is what we are using atm so maybe it will be final15:51
tgpraveencurrently rc2 is out which is what we are using16:07
billybigriggeri thought it was made clear we would use .31?16:10
billybigriggeri should dig up that thread16:10
tgpraveenyes16:12
tgpraveenwe wil but riught now it is at rc2 so we can use that only16:12
tgpraveenwe will update as and when it will be released16:12
hggdhbillybigrigger, 2.6.31 is currently at prepatch rc2 (see http://kernel.org). .31 final has not yet been released upstream16:21
billybigriggerof course16:21
billybigriggerbut im saying i thought the decision was made by dev's to use .31 final, even if .32 was out in time16:22
hggdhoh. Yes, it would make sense, since .32 will probably be released very late in the karmic cycle16:22
BluesKajgrub2 looks exactly like the old grub to me ..I thought it would be fancier , maybe grub2-splashimages is in order16:30
PiciIts blue16:31
BluesKaji had a blue one but it broke16:32
yofelI had a debian splashimage when i upgraded from grub-legacy to grub2, but after a fresh install of Alpha2 it indeed looks like the old one16:32
BluesKajhad to regress16:32
BluesKajbut adept shows grub2 is installed16:33
* Twigathy does the updates dance, crosses fingers and hopes for the best :)16:34
billybigriggerhey guys16:51
billybigriggercheck this out if you want a pretty grub216:51
billybigriggerhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2#Splash%20Images16:51
billybigriggerthere's a bit on themeing there too16:51
billybigriggerthe good site is this one though16:52
billybigriggerhttp://members.iinet.net/~herman546/p20/GRUB2%20Splashimages.html16:52
Bmw1000ccool16:53
yofelniiiice XD16:53
Bmw1000cbut my grub is configured with timeout 0, so i dont actually see grub wprompt lol16:53
BluesKajnope, grub2 still looks like old one ..not a big deal,  but some colours would be nice17:08
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bmungerwhen will firefox 3.5 come to karmic?17:26
Picibmunger: its already there?17:26
nhasianbmunger, its already in the repos.17:26
nhasian!firefox-3.517:27
ubottuFirefox 3.5 Final is currently being built and tested for Jaunty. If you *need* to install it, the firefox-3.5 *beta* package from the repositories will be updated when testing is complete. See also http://is.gd/1jkNY17:27
bmungerI thought that was the beta.. shouldnt it be part of the "firefox" package?17:27
bmungerok nm17:27
Pici!forget ff3517:27
ubottuI'll forget that, Pici17:27
Picibmunger: It will eventually, the mozillateam hasn't done that yet though.17:28
bmungersounds good..just seems like its been a while and i was starting to wonder if it wasnt going to be part of karmic release17:29
gnomefreakPici: its done there is just an issue with the about screen.17:31
gnomefreakshould be in repos next day or so17:31
gnomefreak3.5 is final in jaunty and karmi17:32
gnomefreakc17:32
gnomefreakim gone17:32
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bullgard4What GNOME version is provided by Karmic?18:11
charlie-tca__!gnome karmic18:11
ubottuSorry, I don't know anything about gnome karmic18:11
charlie-tca__!gnome18:11
ubottuGNOME is the default !desktop environment on Ubuntu. To install it from Kubuntu or Xubuntu, type « sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop » in a !terminal.18:11
yofelright now it should be 2.2718:12
hggdhbullgard4, 2.2718:12
hggdhwill be 2.2818:12
bullgard4hggdh: Thank you.18:12
yofel!info gnome karmic18:14
ubottugnome (source: meta-gnome2): The GNOME Desktop Environment, with extra components. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:2.22.2~4ubuntu6 (karmic), package size 1 kB, installed size 44 kB18:14
yofelo.O18:14
kklimondaI always check the version of gnome-panel18:15
kklimonda!info gnome-panel karmic18:15
ubottugnome-panel (source: gnome-panel): launcher and docking facility for GNOME. In component main, is optional. Version 1:2.26.2-1ubuntu4 (karmic), package size 416 kB, installed size 1236 kB18:15
kklimondaheh..18:15
yofeleven thats the wrong one ^^18:15
yofel!info gnome-power-manager karmic18:16
ubottugnome-power-manager (source: gnome-power-manager): power management tool for the GNOME desktop. In component main, is optional. Version 2.27.1-0ubuntu4 (karmic), package size 2568 kB, installed size 10936 kB18:16
yofelyay, found one18:16
billybigriggeryofel, you get A2 installed?18:16
yofelbillybigrigger: yes18:16
billybigriggergood good18:17
billybigriggerhow to install gnome-do again? i copied my apt sources, thought there was a ppa for it?18:17
billybigriggerjust install from repos?18:17
yofelI use gnome-do from repos18:18
billybigriggergnome-do:18:18
billybigrigger  Installed: (none)18:18
billybigrigger  Candidate: 0.8.1.3+dfsg-118:18
Sarvattyea theres a ppa with the newer version that works right when you start it at system startup with compiz enabled18:22
billybigriggerwhich one?18:25
billybigriggeri search ppas for gnome do and it comes up with a ton18:26
billybigriggerSarvatt, ?18:28
Bmw1000chow can i prevent "--no-floppy" from appearing everytime in grub.cfg everytime i update my kernel?18:28
Bmw1000c*how can i prevent "--no-floppy" from appearing in grub.cfg everytime i update my kernel?18:29
Sarvattreinstall grub Bmw1000c18:30
Sarvattreinstall it to your MBR I mean, you have an older version installed in the MBR18:30
Sarvattsudo grub-install /dev/sdwhatever18:30
Bmw1000cthanks man, i'll give a try18:30
Sarvattthe older version in your MBR doesnt support --no-floppy, real common problem18:31
Sarvattbillybigrigger: https://edge.launchpad.net/~do-core/+archive/ppa18:34
amikropIt's crazy, I am on 99.71% in Transmission on a torrent, and it keeps falling back to 99.58%. Is that estimated time, or data downloaded?18:43
BluesKajamikrop, checkout your upload , and what sources are drawing from you ...you could be being used as a bounce for some tracker hack18:45
amikropBluesKaj: I have set an upload limit to 018:46
BluesKaj0 usually means unlimited18:46
amikropBluesKaj: ok, I made it 118:47
amikropBluesKaj: And it says Up: 1Kbps18:47
amikropBluesKaj: before, it said Up: 018:47
BluesKajamikrop, what ports are you using ?...if you want more security , use ports above 50000..it's not real secure but most traffic is in the lower numbered ports18:49
BluesKajamikrop, whatever tracker you are using may have a restriction on ppl who won't share by uploading at a certain rate , say 25kbs or so and will prevent a finish just to keep you online18:52
amikropBluesKaj: ok, I will put 30kbps18:52
amikropupload18:52
amikropBluesKaj: actually, I removed the limit18:53
BluesKajamikrop, which torrent client ?18:53
amikropTransmission18:53
BluesKajlook in the peers section for other users and make sure there some listed as having 100% of the torrent , if not then you may be stuck.18:55
rippsIs startupmanager compatible with grub2?19:01
billybigriggerdon't think so19:02
billybigriggerafaik the version of G2 we have is not compatible with themeing19:02
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yofelok... after reinstalling ubuntu I get flickering in fullscreen vlc as well19:26
yofelc_korn: ping19:27
yofelthough that's not limited to vlc, happens in fullscreen firefox as well19:27
billybigriggeryofel, you having any problems with your fresh install?19:28
c_kornyofel: ok, I did not test firefox fullscreen yet. wait a sec19:28
yofelc_korn: I get the flickering when I try to scroll using the middle mouse button19:28
c_kornyofel: you are right. it also flickers in firefox when clicking right mouse button19:29
yofelbillybigrigger: err... I get c_korns flicker bug, but else it's pretty much ok19:29
c_kornso you can confirm the bug?19:29
billybigriggeryofel, no random x crashes back to gdm?19:29
yofelc_korn: well yes, but I think it's somewhere else, compiz maybe?19:30
yofelbillybigrigger: nope19:30
c_kornyes, it is not vlc related. and it does not occur when compiz is disabled19:30
yofelbut why didn't I get the flickering on my old installation o.O19:30
c_kornI will mark the bug as invalid19:31
* yofel goes tinkering with the compiz settings19:31
yofelc_korn: found it19:40
yofelc_korn: open up ccsm19:40
yofelc_korn: general-options -> General19:40
yofelc_korn: disable "Undirect Fullscreen Windows" and the flickering is gone19:41
c_kornyofel: indeed. that fixes it. thank you very much.19:42
c_kornwhat does the option do actually?19:42
c_kornand needs compiz to be fixed or the apps or drivers?19:43
yofelc_korn: see tooltip - otherwise: no idea ^^19:43
billybigriggerhmm19:43
billybigriggerhow do i change the label of a raid mount?19:43
billybigriggerever since this clean install, my raid disks get mounted to...19:43
billybigriggerbillybigrigger@cabo:/media$ ls19:44
billybigrigger3a20a314-04f1-4510-b51b-94307eb7fe6f  cdrom  cdrom0  floppy  floppy019:44
c_kornyofel: ok, I leave a hint and ask some devels19:44
billybigriggers/disks/array19:44
judgenCan i install hardy packages on karmic?19:49
billybigriggerwhat pacakges?19:51
billybigriggeri don't see why not19:51
billybigriggeras long as all the dependancies are met19:51
judgenbillybigrigger, I want to use wxvlc19:51
billybigriggerdon't know what that is19:51
judgenvlc with wxwindows interface instead of QT19:52
yofelbillybigrigger: the old version of vlc with wxWidgets19:52
billybigriggeroh19:52
yofelhm, you'll have to downgrade vlc then, but should be possible19:52
judgenyofel, seems the older version is not in repos in karmic, can i add the hardy repos and use that?19:53
yofeljudgen: wouldn't work since apt would use the newer version from karmic19:54
yofelyou'll need to get the packages and install them manually with dpkg19:54
yofelapt doesn't support downgrading19:54
judgenyofel, where can i get the packages then?19:56
yofelpackages.ubuntu.com should have them19:56
judgenAlso totem seems to be laggy as hell over here... (excuse the language)19:56
judgenI cant play anything almost19:57
yofelno idea, don't use totem, it sets the HUE wrong19:57
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yofelhuh? why is apport disabled since I reinstalled alpha2. Wasn't it supposed to be enabled by default in dev-releases?19:59
billybigriggershould be enabled19:59
billybigriggerlet me check mine19:59
billybigriggerhmm20:00
billybigriggermines disabled too20:00
billybigriggerbetter file a bug yofel20:00
yofelwill do that, give me a sec20:00
yofelbillybigrigger: bug 39670720:05
ubottuLaunchpad bug 396707 in apport "[karmic] apport disabled by default in karmic alpha 2" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/39670720:05
bmungerlooks like suspend to ram doesnt work either.. fails to resume20:06
yofelbmunger: works fine here (nvidia)20:06
bmungerprobably this buggy ati20:06
yofelbillybigrigger: if you get it as well, can you set the bug to confirmed?20:08
billybigriggeryup doing so now yofel20:11
judgeni cant find a mirror...20:12
SKBhello :>20:12
yofelhi SKB20:12
judgenhehe i think it worked... i just disabled the karmic mirrors =)20:16
billybigriggeryofel, bug 39670720:16
ubottuLaunchpad bug 396707 in apport "[karmic] apport disabled by default in karmic alpha 2" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/39670720:16
billybigriggermeh, i confirmed it20:16
kklimondayofel: it's not a bug20:16
yofelkklimonda: why?20:17
billybigriggeryofel, are you getting wierd pauses in your boot?20:17
yofelbillybigrigger: no20:17
billybigriggeri bet my bootup is close to a minute, installing bootchart to see why20:17
billybigriggerhmm20:17
kklimondayofel: developers has decided that it's just too early to enable apport by default20:17
billybigrigger?20:17
kklimondayofel: it may be enabled in alpha320:17
billybigriggerserious?20:17
yofelo.O20:17
billybigriggerhmmm20:17
PiciA minute? Mine is 20 seconds.20:17
billybigriggerPici, well i have bootchart to tell my why now :P20:18
billybigriggerbrb20:18
yofelwell, I'll close the bug then...20:18
billybigrigger1:0420:22
billybigrigger1:06 actually20:22
SKBa minute ? :o20:22
billybigriggeryup20:23
yofelwth?20:23
yofelyou starting a virt-server btw or what?20:23
billybigriggerhttp://imagebin.ca/view/aJcM-F.html20:24
judgenhehe wxvlx works now.. but synaptic removed rhythmbox and totem.20:25
yofelseems to me like a broken devkit-disks...20:25
judgennot that i need totem20:25
billybigriggeryofel, yes20:29
billybigriggerraid acting wierd too20:29
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m_tadeuhi everyone...is it possible to upgrade from 9.04 to karmic?20:38
SKByes20:38
m_tadeuhow do I do that?20:38
Picihttp://www.ubuntu.com/testing/karmic/alpha2#Upgrading%20from%20Ubuntu%209.0420:39
SKBif you want to break your pc write "update-manager -d" if i recall correctly20:39
PiciSKB: heh20:39
SKBno sound here20:39
SKBand nautilus is buggy20:40
m_tadeuhehehe....I'm testing in my pc and my laptop with minor problems20:40
yofelyay, managed to crash gthumb o.O20:41
yofeland now firefox crashed too...20:44
* yofel goes into a crashing frenzy and laughs like a maniac...20:44
SKBhave fun20:44
yofel:P20:44
SKBi can't access my trash "Error while spawning nautilus:20:45
SKBOperation not supported" :D20:45
m_tadeummm....where can I find update-manager?20:45
yofelm_tadeu: huh?20:46
m_tadeusorry....idiot question20:47
yofel^^20:47
m_tadeuwas looking on update-manager-core20:47
rippsSo, there is no configuration tool for the new gdm yet? Is someone working on one?21:11
gnomefreakripps: not sure i was looking for it today but couldnt find it and i never got around to asking seb about it21:17
Teknohow can I edit grub2 menu21:18
yofelTekno: check /etc/default/grub and /etc/grub.d21:18
billybigriggerTekno, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub221:18
Teknok21:18
yofelhm, nice wiki page :)21:18
billybigrigger:P21:19
billybigriggerthanks, had some help from drs30521:19
Teknohumm21:20
TeknoI just need to see what kernels are installed21:20
billybigriggercheck /boot21:24
billybigriggeror if you have deleted some from /boot, then run update-grub21:24
billybigriggerupdate-grub2 actually21:25
gnomefreaktheres no /boot/grub2/menu.lst? i dont know im still running grub 0.9*21:25
billybigriggernope21:26
billybigriggergrub2 is a complete rewrite21:26
gnomefreaki dont wanna learn a new grub21:26
billybigriggerhaha, building that wiki i sure learnt alot21:26
gnomefreaki guess i have alot of work tomorrow than21:26
billybigriggershould be a grub guru come beta when all the noobs have a million questions :P21:27
SKBis new grub eye candy ?21:27
billybigriggernope21:27
billybigriggerthe version we have in repos doesn't support themeing yet21:27
SKBno need to upgrade then :>21:27
gnomefreakyou should still be able to add themes to it21:27
gnomefreaknevermind21:27
gnomefreakbillybigrigger: well get to fixing it to support themes21:28
gnomefreak:)21:28
billybigriggermaintainer needs to get a new version from svn in21:28
billybigriggerim sure the version in grub svn supports it now21:28
* yofel wants a grub menu with a nice ubuntu logo :P21:29
* SKB prefers 1 sec time out and no eye candy tbh.21:30
yofelcan live with that too, but not with alpha and too buggy kernels :P21:31
SKBi guess i have to recompile nautilus :\21:32
yofelSKB: huh?21:32
SKBNautilus cannot handle "computer" locations21:32
SKBthat is annoying21:32
yofelah, that one ^^21:32
SKBsine 9.0421:32
SKBsince21:32
SKBbtw how the trash can applet is called?21:33
billybigriggerSKB, places>computer works here21:33
SKBit doesn't work since 9.04 for me21:34
SKBalso automount fails since then too :<21:34
gnomefreakcomputer works in karmic here21:35
SKBhere too21:35
SKBi guess21:36
gnomefreaki mean places>computer21:36
gnomefreakauto mount of usb stick and 2nd HD works here jsut dvd/cd writer issues21:36
yofelautomount is strange here, some things work without pw, some only with, one usb-hd gives u/ehci errors but works fine in jaunty...21:36
SKBi had a bad upgrade back in jaunty21:37
billybigriggermy raid won't automount21:40
billybigrigger:(21:40
billybigriggeri need to figure this out too21:41
billybigriggerhttp://imagebin.ca/view/aJcM-F.html21:41
billybigriganyone know where devicekit logs?21:47
billybigrighmmm21:49
BUGabundoola22:01
billybigrigsup BUGabundo22:01
yofelhi BUGabundo22:01
charlie-tca__hey, BUGabundo22:01
billybigrigyofel: what are you boot times with your fresh a2 install?22:01
billybigrigBUGabundo: popular guy! haha22:01
yofelbillybigrig: 20s without login22:02
BUGabundobillybigrig seems so22:02
billybigrigyofel: charted?22:02
BUGabundohey billybigrig yofel kklimonda charlie-tca__22:02
BUGabundocharlie-tca__: you here tonight?22:02
kklimondahey BUGabundo22:02
yofelbillybigrig: http://imagebin.ca/view/FyUmXZ.html22:02
charlie-tca__appears so for now22:02
BUGabundothat's uncommon22:02
billybigrigyofel: you have a raid setup?22:02
BUGabundoguys need some one to do me a quick test22:02
yofelbillybigrig: no, notebook22:03
billybigrighmmm, still could have a raid setup :P22:03
BUGabundoanyone wants to change sources.list to pt.archive.ubuntu.com and check if the mirror key is valid?22:03
charlie-tca__I would, but I am broken now22:03
BUGabundogot probs today with it, hope its not be compremised22:03
billybigrigBUGabundo: i would but im ssh'd in, and would have to do it manually22:04
billybigrigi will if no one can do it through synaptic mirror chooser22:04
billybigrigeff it, ill do it :P i see no takers22:04
billybigrigpastebin your sources.list and ill just copy it22:05
SKBhehe good luck22:05
BUGabundobillybigrig not my sources! it was a VB minimal install22:06
BUGabundobillybigrig just replace/add to yours pt.archive.ubuntu.pt22:06
Le-Chuck_ITApeople this is a bit urgent22:06
Le-Chuck_ITAI don't have a /boot/grub/menu.lst anymore22:07
BUGabundohey Le-Chuck_ITA22:07
Le-Chuck_ITAafter running update-grub in karmic22:07
Le-Chuck_ITAHi bugabundo22:07
BUGabundobtw I have the new GDM... no auto login :((22:07
Le-Chuck_ITAis the above normal?22:07
Le-Chuck_ITABUGabundo: me too and suffering :)22:07
Le-Chuck_ITAI fear that if I reboot I won't be able to boot again22:07
SKBLe-Chuck_ITA:  grub2?22:07
Le-Chuck_ITAyes22:07
Le-Chuck_ITAdefault in karmic I think22:07
SKBit doesn' tuse menu.lst anymore22:07
billybigrigu shouldnt have one22:07
Le-Chuck_ITAaaah22:07
Le-Chuck_ITAAt office I had one22:08
Le-Chuck_ITAand running update-grub22:08
Le-Chuck_ITAkept overwriting it22:08
Le-Chuck_ITAdunno22:08
Le-Chuck_ITAthanks a lot :)22:08
SKBhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub222:08
Le-Chuck_ITAbut is there a text-readable description of what will happen on the screen or just the configuration files?22:08
billybigrig?22:08
billybigrigupdate-grub222:09
billybigrigshould have on-screen text22:09
Le-Chuck_ITAbut is grub2 default in karmic? I think I can tell from the blue boot screen22:09
Le-Chuck_ITAah grub.cfg22:09
Le-Chuck_ITAok22:09
billybigrigno22:09
SKBdon't edit that22:09
billybigrigdon't edit gub.cfg22:09
Le-Chuck_ITAno I won't :)22:09
billybigrigLe-Chuck_ITA: read that wiki entry, everything you need to know is there22:10
Le-Chuck_ITAedit /etc/default/grub instead22:10
Le-Chuck_ITAthanks a lot, everything is clear now22:11
Le-Chuck_ITAnot that I read it all22:11
BUGabundoSKB: new here?22:11
Le-Chuck_ITAI am not superman :)22:11
SKByep22:11
BUGabundowlecome then SKB22:19
BUGabundohope you enjoy us here :)22:19
SKB:>22:19
SKBthanks22:20
billybigrighttp://imagebin.ca/view/aJcM-F.html22:20
billybigrigsomeone want to tell me where i can track down this devkit-disks-pa problem?22:20
billybigrigthats causing my 1 min boot22:20
yofelbillybigrig: dmesg and syslog tell nothing?22:20
billybigrigno dmsg22:21
billybigrignothing found for devkit-disks in dmesg or syslog22:24
billybigrigim not too familiar with devkit so..im kinda hooped here, don't know where to start troubleshooting22:25
yofelme neither :(22:25
Zorael^2Is there any command to divine *which* of my installed ppas a package is available from? apt-cache policy just says http://ppa.launchpad.net22:26
eagles0513875hey BUGabundo recommendation on this22:28
BUGabundome me me22:28
eagles0513875https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-widget-network-manager/+bug/396180 BUGabundo upstream it22:28
ubottuUbuntu bug 396180 in plasma-widget-network-manager "plasma-widget-network-manager regression with connectiong to wpa connections" [High,Confirmed]22:28
BUGabundoZorael $ apt-cache policy PACKAGENAME22:28
BUGabundoeagles0513875: I don't do much KDE :(22:29
Zorael^2BUGabundo: yeah, but doesn't tell me much when it's from a launchpad ppa22:29
BUGabundoZorael yes it does!22:29
eagles0513875BUGabundo: ok :( but lets say it was a gnome bug for instance and it was a regression from an early svn version of the gnome network manager and you were encountering this issue would you also file the bug upstream22:29
Zorael^2BUGabundo: Such as "500 http://ppa.launchpad.net karmic/main Packages"22:30
eagles0513875Zorael: near the bottom when you do that it lists the repository it is in22:30
billybigrigZorael what package?22:30
Zorael^2eagles0513875: Yeah, but in the case of launchpad ppas, it just says it's from a launchpad ppa, not /which/ ppa22:30
Zorael^2billybigrig: In this case it was bluetooth22:31
Zorael^2regardless of package, apt-cache policy just prints the domain of the ppa, not subdirectories which I need to know to figure out which ppa the package is from22:32
Zorael^2apt-cache showpkg did the trick~22:34
billybigrigso there ya go, answered your own question22:34
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billybigrig:P22:34
BUGabundoZorael then you check your sources ! LOL22:34
BUGabundoI think mine does say what PPA it is22:35
Zorael^2BUGabundo: I have 14 ppas set up, sometimes it's clear which one a given package is from, this time it wasn't22:35
BUGabundoonly 14?22:35
Zorael^2yep!22:35
billybigrigdeb http://ppa.launchpad.net/banshee-team/banshee-daily/ubuntu karmic main22:35
billybigrigdeb http://ppa.launchpad.net/breathe-dev/ppa/ubuntu karmic main22:35
BUGabundoyou still have much to learn my young friend22:35
billybigrigdeb http://ppa.launchpad.net/network-manager/trunk/ubuntu karmic main22:35
billybigrigdeb http://ppa.launchpad.net/amoog/empathy-daily/ubuntu karmic main22:35
billybigrigdeb http://ppa.launchpad.net/do-core/ppa/ubuntu karmic main22:36
billybigrigthey all show up in apt sources22:36
eagles0513875billybigrigger: STOP22:36
BUGabundobillybigrig STOP !!!22:36
eagles0513875miss type22:36
eagles0513875billybigrig: no need to list them lol22:36
billybigrigyou guys are slow, and i didnt mean to paste 5 lines22:36
billybigrig:P22:36
BluesKajoh yes you did22:36
eagles0513875lol22:36
billybigrigpffft22:37
gnomefreakapt-cache policy packagename will tell you where it is from22:37
BUGabundobillybigrig I'm lagged22:37
billybigrigBUGabundo: must be22:37
BUGabundo$ pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list http://paste.ubuntu.com/212264/22:37
Zorael^2Consider any package (mplayer). You get an upgrade to it and it's a sucky one, and apt-cache policy says it's from a launchpad ppa with "500 http://ppa.launchpad.net karmic/main Packages"22:37
BUGabundognomefreak: already told him that :))22:37
gnomefreakbillybigrig: in the future use pastebin to paste things22:37
Zorael^2Now you want to hunt down that guy who owns the ppa and get him to fix the bug, but you don't know *which* ppa it's from, just "500 http://ppa.launchpad.net karmic/main Packages"22:38
Zorael^2ppa.launchpad.net/banshee-team? network-manager? fluffybunniesunited?22:38
Zorael^2and you don't get to use showpkg :)22:38
Zorael^2nor common sense!22:38
BUGabundoZorael humm how about open synaptic and see Version you have?22:39
Zorael^2I don't have synaptic installed, I'm in a terminal. ;322:40
yofelBUGabundo: that's not cli :P22:40
billybigrigis anyone here familiar with devkit-disks?22:41
billybigrigdammit, everytime i ask for some help with this everyone buggers off and is silent haha22:42
gnomefreakZorael^2: apt-cache policy packagename22:42
billybigriggnomefreak: he is right22:43
Zorael^2gnomefreak: That just says "500 http://ppa.launchpad.net karmic/main Packages", not *which* ppa22:43
gnomefreakbillybigrig: also we dont support PPA's in this channel22:43
billybigrigpolicy doesn't show WHAT PPA it came from22:43
gnomefreaklook at the package name22:43
billybigrigjust ppa.launchpad.net22:43
billybigriggnomefreak: what do you mean? don't support ppas? im not asking22:43
billybigrighttp://pastebin.ca/148741722:44
billybigrignowhere does apt-cache policy show theppa22:44
billybigrigi know i have the banshee ppa enabled too22:45
billybigrigZorael i see what your saying22:45
gnomefreakok billybigrig what package?22:45
Zorael^2:322:45
billybigrigbanshee22:45
yofelbillybigrig: you might something looking through 'devkit-disks --dump'22:45
billybigrigand i know i have it from the banshee ppa22:45
billybigrigyofel: thansk22:45
gnomefreakok does policy show the foillowing version?22:45
billybigrigyofel: i have a look there thanks22:45
gnomefreak!info banshee karmic22:45
ubottubanshee (source: banshee): Media Management and Playback application. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.4.3-5 (karmic), package size 2572 kB, installed size 8460 kB22:46
billybigrig1.5.1+git20090706.r1.5e9f054-0ubuntu122:46
gnomefreakthan its PPA version you have22:46
yofelbillybigrig: thats about the only thing that I could find that actually tells me something :(22:46
gnomefreakbillybigrig: use /msg ubottu info packagename in future22:46
billybigrigi think we've lost the qustion here22:46
gnomefreakalso packages.ubuntu.com can help22:47
billybigrigzoreal^2 is looking to find where the ppa22:47
billybigrignot me22:47
billybigrigand apt-cache policy does NOT show WHICH ppa the package came from22:48
billybigrigend of story, thats all he was wondering22:48
gnomefreakand i explained how to do that. another way is to comment in sources.list as to what the ppa has in it. example (# gwibber PPA)22:49
Zorael^2Well, apt-cache showpkg did the trick. policy isn't verbose enough; it just says it's from a ppa, not what ppa.22:53
billybigriggnomefreak: anyway to comment in what the ppa is if you add through synaptic?22:53
billybigrigdon't think so eh?22:53
billybigriganywho22:53
gnomefreakbillybigrig: do they show up in /etc/apt/sources.list?22:54
billybigrigyofel: devkit-disks --dump doesn't show anything interesting22:54
billybigriggnomefreak: yeah, but if you add the ppa through synaptic, you then have to go into cl and edit sources.list22:54
gnomefreakbillybigrig: if not add them in file or make note and stick it on monitor :)22:54
gnomefreakdoesnt it show what it is in software sources?22:55
gnomefreaksystem>admin>software sources22:55
gnomefreakit is updated with synaptic and any other way you add repos22:55
gnomefreakeither way PPA help should be in #ubuntu-offtopic22:56
billybigrigfair enough22:57
billybigrigwanna help me get my boot times down from 1:06?22:58
billybigrig:P22:58
BUGabundobillybigrig ask Bmw1000c! he has a 10sec one22:58
billybigrighttp://imagebin.ca/view/aJcM-F.html22:58
billybigrigfresh install of A2 this afternoon22:58
billybigrigdevkit-disks seems to be the problem, but im not to familiar with devkit22:59
Bmw1000clool22:59
Bmw1000cyes i have22:59
Zorael^2Well, the case was for a cli command. I found it (again, showpkg), but kept getting suggestions to use policy, and then we ended up explaining why it didn't work. fwiw, KDE, so no Synaptic nor System/Admin menus.22:59
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billybigriganyone know how i can find out whats causing that devkit-disk process from hanging?23:01
billybigrigerr causing to hang?23:02
billybigrignothing refering to devkit-disks in any of the logs i've searched23:02
=== giesen_ is now known as giesen
dupondjePidgin doesn't use PulseAudio ?23:23
BUGabundodupondje: no. it uses it23:23
dupondjebut its not possible to set the volume of it ?23:24
dupondjefor only pidgin in pulseaudio volume manger ?23:24
BUGabundoah??23:25
BUGabundoa new app is coming out to manage volume23:25
BUGabundopavucontrol doesn't do all it needs to do23:25
BUGabundoapps will have sound profile23:25
dupondjegnome-volume-control-pulse23:25
BUGabundoI see Pidgin on my pavucontrol, when it pings23:25
BUGabundodupondje: no idea what that is :)23:26
dupondjeBUGabundo: but u need to catch it when it pings ...23:29
dupondjecause I would like put put volume of that way lower23:29
BUGabundoyep23:29
BUGabundoI've complainded a lot A LOT about it23:29
dupondje:p23:30
billybigriggerhttp://imagebin.ca/view/KnkS5il.html23:41
yofelbillybigrig: how did you get that?23:41
billybigrigfloppy module23:44
billybigrighttps://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/38457923:44
ubottuUbuntu bug 384579 in linux "Linux thinks there’s a floppy drive when there’s not. Probing slows down bootup by almost a minute." [Medium,In progress]23:44
dupondjenite :)23:44
billybigrigblacklisted the floppy module and its good to go now23:44
SKBbillybigrig: i fixed that from BIOS :P23:46
yofelo.O23:46
SKBin bios was an option about fdd and all i did is turned off fdd23:47
billybigrigjust as easy to blacklist the floppy module :P23:47
billybigrigand bug report it23:48
SKBnot for me :P23:48
billybigrigso it gets fixed :P23:48
SKBi am not playing with kernel atm :P23:48

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