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AnAntHello, has anyone done any artwork for the new GDM that's in karmic ?07:54
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kwwii_moin moin11:50
SiDihiya11:51
kwwii_hi SiDi11:51
SiDiwhats up ?11:52
thorwilmoin!11:52
SiDihow is Guadec ?11:52
kwwii_btw, there is no ssh here so I cannot login to my normal chat...it is still running on my server :p11:52
kwwii_so if anyone has chatted to me in the last few days or the next few to my normal kwwii it will not be read until I get back11:52
kwwii_Guadec was good, akademy was better :p11:52
thorwilthat's just what any impostor would claim :)11:53
SiDiyou still can /msg nickserv and chanserv11:53
SiDimake yourself op and kick me to proof your identity !11:53
* SiDi hides11:54
kwwii__SiDi: sure, but as long as my irssi is running on the server it will keep kicking me off11:54
kwwii__boah11:57
kwwii__not fast enough11:57
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kwwiiw00t11:58
kwwiiwe'll see how long this lasts :p11:58
thorwilit's good that we have no drop-outs in real life. running around with 1 one or more underscores would look silly!11:58
kwwii:p11:58
kwwiihaving to carry them with you everywhere11:58
macvrkwwii: how is the default theme going to handle 16px xdg folders?12:10
macvrkwwii_: ^12:11
AnAnthello12:11
AnAnthas anyone done any artwork for the new GDM that's in karmic ?12:11
kwwii__macvr: I am not sure if we are going to have icons for the xdg folders12:11
kwwii__AnAnt: no, we have not touched gdm design-wise yet12:12
macvrkwwii__: ah... too bad , i think it was one of the papercuts12:12
macvrAnAnt: there are already a few on the wiki page12:12
kwwii__macvr: yes, but it was refused because it meant a bit more work12:13
macvrkwwii__: \o/12:13
kwwii__macvr: if anyone from the community worked on the icons we could include them12:13
macvrkwwii__: the human theme? i could give it a shot12:13
kwwii__macvr: until now people just showed them with the emblem on top which is really not good enough12:14
kwwii__if it is an overlay it needs to be different than the emblem12:14
kwwii__ie. the emblems in the human theme (with the orange circles)12:15
macvrkwwii__: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/BreatheIconSet/Submissions?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=folder-music1.png  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/BreatheIconSet/Submissions?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=folder-videos1.png12:16
macvrkwwii__: how do those look?12:16
macvrjust the emblems , not the folder12:17
kwwii__macvr: it is a good start12:17
kwwii__btw, I am looking into using the humanity icon theme in karmic12:18
kwwii__so if anyone wants to install it, etc please test it out and let me know what you thinkthere are several humanity icons which need improvement so we need to pick those out and work on them12:18
macvrkwwii__: we could use these emblems on the humanity theme12:18
kwwii__macvr: I do not think they would fit as-is but th eidea is good12:18
macvrkwwii__: as is surely they wont fit12:19
macvrkwwii__: but if you give me an idea what you are expecting, i  could do it12:19
AnAntkwwii__: is there any info that I can find about making themes for the new GDM ?12:20
macvrkwwii__: is this the Humanity theme you are talking about >> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Karmic/elebuntu_Icons12:21
kwwii__AnAnt: there is very little info available that I know of12:24
kwwii__macvr: yes, it is also here as a package: http://sinecera.de/humanity-icon-theme_0.1_all.deb12:25
kwwii__macvr: well, it needs a good design which fits well with the other icons....it would go different ways depending on how it looks12:25
macvrkwwii__: : ok... i'll look at the icon set and try to come up with something that fits...12:26
macvrkwwii__: hei! it already has xdg folders in the 24px and 48px folders...12:31
macvrguess you dont have to worry about that papercut after all! ;p [fix released] ;p12:32
SiDimacvr: updates break more often than you believe :D12:46
SiDiand when they break it requires action12:47
SiDiand you prefer seeing what broke instead of just constating the breakage on next boot12:47
macvrSiDi: yes for us , since we are testing a lot of stuff , but generally it is not that bad12:47
SiDithere are a lot of hw upgrades that do break during releases ~12:47
SiDiand mirrors can fall down, some updates do require human action, too12:48
macvrSiDi: during releases is different... we are talking about updates12:48
macvrSiDi: you have got it all wrong!12:48
SiDiduring releases = during the release cycle = SRU12:48
SiDii dont macvr12:48
macvrSiDi: the update is already downloaded12:48
macvrSiDi: it is just the time when we update is at shutdown12:49
SiDimacvr: first, downloading without user's agreement is very bad practice :D12:49
SiDiand you cant reliably think that an update will never need human action12:50
macvrSiDi: what the hell are you talking about! i never said that!12:50
SiDiapache/java/kernel/grub updates at least do require it12:50
macvrSiDi: the user chooses to install , at which time the update is downloaded , but for updates requiring reboot , it is deferred till shutdown12:51
macvrSiDi: recheck my mail ;p12:51
SiDimacvr: this is completely useless then12:51
SiDibetter proceed the update in background to avoid losing time12:51
SiDisince it wont bring the reboot (thus the features) faster12:51
SiDiUpdates require reboot to take effect, they dont require reboot compulsorily just after they're done12:51
macvrSiDi: the discussion is only for updates requiring reboots , rest are done immediately12:52
macvrSiDi: it is not to have the prompt , "PLS REBOOT"!12:52
macvrjust to not^12:52
SiDiwell, it prompts it discretely12:53
macvrSiDi: most often updates done immediately , sometimes break...12:53
SiDibetter having a discrete prompt than something that would actually delay the risky period to a moment when you would have no control over whats going on and when you wouldnt be able to focus on it12:53
SiDimacvr: nothing never broke for me12:53
macvrtake for example firefox, if it is not rebooted it shows lot of weird behavior12:53
SiDionly FF updates make it bug12:53
SiDiand FF != system :D12:54
SiDido you propose to do FF upgrades only at shutdown time ? that'd make more sense ;)12:54
macvrSiDi: you have to read the discussion fully! ;p12:54
SiDimeh12:54
macvrSiDi:  atleast read my mail... ;p i have said that firefox should update *only* when it is shutdown12:55
macvrie: FF is closed12:55
macvrSiDi: i find Alex's "stories" amusing ;p12:56
SiDior.. Mozilla stops releasing crappy browsers12:56
macvr+! to that12:56
macvr+112:56
macvrSiDi: how is the chromium testing out?12:57
macvrSiDi: i didnt try it yet... waiting for a proper linux release12:58
SiDiits not bad12:59
SiDithere are things that badly piss me off12:59
SiDibut its mostly minor features, i'll code them myself if they lack at release time12:59
macvrSiDi: does it have extensibility like FF?12:59
SiDiChrome on windows doesnt yet13:00
macvr:(13:00
SiDibut if built-in features are good enough, i'll use third-party tools to replace my plugins ^.^13:00
macvrjetpack?13:00
SiDijetpack is mozilla13:01
SiDii'll use tor for adblock, and wget for DTA13:02
SiDii only need dta to bypass bad QoS settings in my network anyway13:02
macvrheard that chrome is going to use similar platform13:02
macvrso that extensions can be used for both13:02

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