[07:54] <AnAnt> Hello, has anyone done any artwork for the new GDM that's in karmic ?
[11:50] <kwwii_> moin moin
[11:51] <SiDi> hiya
[11:51] <kwwii_> hi SiDi
[11:52] <SiDi> whats up ?
[11:52] <thorwil> moin!
[11:52] <SiDi> how is Guadec ?
[11:52] <kwwii_> btw, there is no ssh here so I cannot login to my normal chat...it is still running on my server :p
[11:52] <kwwii_> so if anyone has chatted to me in the last few days or the next few to my normal kwwii it will not be read until I get back
[11:52] <kwwii_> Guadec was good, akademy was better :p
[11:53] <thorwil> that's just what any impostor would claim :)
[11:53] <SiDi> you still can /msg nickserv and chanserv
[11:53] <SiDi> make yourself op and kick me to proof your identity !
[11:54]  * SiDi hides
[11:54] <kwwii__> SiDi: sure, but as long as my irssi is running on the server it will keep kicking me off
[11:57] <kwwii__> boah
[11:57] <kwwii__> not fast enough
[11:58] <kwwii> w00t
[11:58] <kwwii> we'll see how long this lasts :p
[11:58] <thorwil> it's good that we have no drop-outs in real life. running around with 1 one or more underscores would look silly!
[11:58] <kwwii> :p
[11:58] <kwwii> having to carry them with you everywhere
[12:10] <macvr> kwwii: how is the default theme going to handle 16px xdg folders?
[12:11] <macvr> kwwii_: ^
[12:11] <AnAnt> hello
[12:11] <AnAnt> has anyone done any artwork for the new GDM that's in karmic ?
[12:11] <kwwii__> macvr: I am not sure if we are going to have icons for the xdg folders
[12:12] <kwwii__> AnAnt: no, we have not touched gdm design-wise yet
[12:12] <macvr> kwwii__: ah... too bad , i think it was one of the papercuts
[12:12] <macvr> AnAnt: there are already a few on the wiki page
[12:13] <kwwii__> macvr: yes, but it was refused because it meant a bit more work
[12:13] <macvr> kwwii__: \o/
[12:13] <kwwii__> macvr: if anyone from the community worked on the icons we could include them
[12:13] <macvr> kwwii__: the human theme? i could give it a shot
[12:14] <kwwii__> macvr: until now people just showed them with the emblem on top which is really not good enough
[12:14] <kwwii__> if it is an overlay it needs to be different than the emblem
[12:15] <kwwii__> ie. the emblems in the human theme (with the orange circles)
[12:16] <macvr> kwwii__: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/BreatheIconSet/Submissions?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=folder-music1.png  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/BreatheIconSet/Submissions?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=folder-videos1.png
[12:16] <macvr> kwwii__: how do those look?
[12:17] <macvr> just the emblems , not the folder
[12:17] <kwwii__> macvr: it is a good start
[12:18] <kwwii__> btw, I am looking into using the humanity icon theme in karmic
[12:18] <kwwii__> so if anyone wants to install it, etc please test it out and let me know what you thinkthere are several humanity icons which need improvement so we need to pick those out and work on them
[12:18] <macvr> kwwii__: we could use these emblems on the humanity theme
[12:18] <kwwii__> macvr: I do not think they would fit as-is but th eidea is good
[12:19] <macvr> kwwii__: as is surely they wont fit
[12:19] <macvr> kwwii__: but if you give me an idea what you are expecting, i  could do it
[12:20] <AnAnt> kwwii__: is there any info that I can find about making themes for the new GDM ?
[12:21] <macvr> kwwii__: is this the Humanity theme you are talking about >> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Karmic/elebuntu_Icons
[12:24] <kwwii__> AnAnt: there is very little info available that I know of
[12:25] <kwwii__> macvr: yes, it is also here as a package: http://sinecera.de/humanity-icon-theme_0.1_all.deb
[12:25] <kwwii__> macvr: well, it needs a good design which fits well with the other icons....it would go different ways depending on how it looks
[12:26] <macvr> kwwii__: : ok... i'll look at the icon set and try to come up with something that fits...
[12:31] <macvr> kwwii__: hei! it already has xdg folders in the 24px and 48px folders...
[12:32] <macvr> guess you dont have to worry about that papercut after all! ;p [fix released] ;p
[12:46] <SiDi> macvr: updates break more often than you believe :D
[12:47] <SiDi> and when they break it requires action
[12:47] <SiDi> and you prefer seeing what broke instead of just constating the breakage on next boot
[12:47] <macvr> SiDi: yes for us , since we are testing a lot of stuff , but generally it is not that bad
[12:47] <SiDi> there are a lot of hw upgrades that do break during releases ~
[12:48] <SiDi> and mirrors can fall down, some updates do require human action, too
[12:48] <macvr> SiDi: during releases is different... we are talking about updates
[12:48] <macvr> SiDi: you have got it all wrong!
[12:48] <SiDi> during releases = during the release cycle = SRU
[12:48] <SiDi> i dont macvr
[12:48] <macvr> SiDi: the update is already downloaded
[12:49] <macvr> SiDi: it is just the time when we update is at shutdown
[12:49] <SiDi> macvr: first, downloading without user's agreement is very bad practice :D
[12:50] <SiDi> and you cant reliably think that an update will never need human action
[12:50] <macvr> SiDi: what the hell are you talking about! i never said that!
[12:50] <SiDi> apache/java/kernel/grub updates at least do require it
[12:51] <macvr> SiDi: the user chooses to install , at which time the update is downloaded , but for updates requiring reboot , it is deferred till shutdown
[12:51] <macvr> SiDi: recheck my mail ;p
[12:51] <SiDi> macvr: this is completely useless then
[12:51] <SiDi> better proceed the update in background to avoid losing time
[12:51] <SiDi> since it wont bring the reboot (thus the features) faster
[12:51] <SiDi> Updates require reboot to take effect, they dont require reboot compulsorily just after they're done
[12:52] <macvr> SiDi: the discussion is only for updates requiring reboots , rest are done immediately
[12:52] <macvr> SiDi: it is not to have the prompt , "PLS REBOOT"!
[12:52] <macvr> just to not^
[12:53] <SiDi> well, it prompts it discretely
[12:53] <macvr> SiDi: most often updates done immediately , sometimes break...
[12:53] <SiDi> better having a discrete prompt than something that would actually delay the risky period to a moment when you would have no control over whats going on and when you wouldnt be able to focus on it
[12:53] <SiDi> macvr: nothing never broke for me
[12:53] <macvr> take for example firefox, if it is not rebooted it shows lot of weird behavior
[12:53] <SiDi> only FF updates make it bug
[12:54] <SiDi> and FF != system :D
[12:54] <SiDi> do you propose to do FF upgrades only at shutdown time ? that'd make more sense ;)
[12:54] <macvr> SiDi: you have to read the discussion fully! ;p
[12:54] <SiDi> meh
[12:55] <macvr> SiDi:  atleast read my mail... ;p i have said that firefox should update *only* when it is shutdown
[12:55] <macvr> ie: FF is closed
[12:56] <macvr> SiDi: i find Alex's "stories" amusing ;p
[12:56] <SiDi> or.. Mozilla stops releasing crappy browsers
[12:56] <macvr> +! to that
[12:56] <macvr> +1
[12:57] <macvr> SiDi: how is the chromium testing out?
[12:58] <macvr> SiDi: i didnt try it yet... waiting for a proper linux release
[12:59] <SiDi> its not bad
[12:59] <SiDi> there are things that badly piss me off
[12:59] <SiDi> but its mostly minor features, i'll code them myself if they lack at release time
[12:59] <macvr> SiDi: does it have extensibility like FF?
[13:00] <SiDi> Chrome on windows doesnt yet
[13:00] <macvr> :(
[13:00] <SiDi> but if built-in features are good enough, i'll use third-party tools to replace my plugins ^.^
[13:00] <macvr> jetpack?
[13:01] <SiDi> jetpack is mozilla
[13:02] <SiDi> i'll use tor for adblock, and wget for DTA
[13:02] <SiDi> i only need dta to bypass bad QoS settings in my network anyway
[13:02] <macvr> heard that chrome is going to use similar platform
[13:02] <macvr> so that extensions can be used for both