[01:00] #startmeeting [01:00] Meeting started at 19:00. The chair is cprofitt. [01:00] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [01:00] Hello all welcome to the Ubuntu Community Learning Project Meeting [01:02] hey [01:02] hey popey [01:02] he doctormo [01:02] hello [01:02] pleia2, are you here? [01:02] Vantrax|Work, Vantrax [01:04] i is kinda here [01:04] We have no official agenda -- and it appears as though many are not here. [01:04] yeah [01:04] Would anyone like to motion to close the meeting and we can wait until next week [01:04] i guess i can update everyone on the theme [01:04] that would work too... [01:04] http://learn.bodhizazen.net/moodle/theme/preview.php?preview=learn_ubuntu [01:04] LINK received: http://learn.bodhizazen.net/moodle/theme/preview.php?preview=learn_ubuntu [01:05] its almost there [01:05] or we can wait until next week... your choice [01:05] the menus have to be manually coded after we work out what menu's we want [01:05] those are just the ones that were already there [01:05] it looks like grey stripes? [01:07] oro?? [01:08] have you logged in before trying the link? [01:08] no [01:08] you have to log into http://learn.bodhizazen.net/moodle/ [01:08] then use the link or go admin theme, theme selector, preview [01:08] I am not sure I have a login to this new site... [01:08] one min [01:08] ditto [01:09] http://learn.bodhizazen.net/moodle/ [01:09] LINK received: http://learn.bodhizazen.net/moodle/ [01:09] there you go [01:09] ive updated it to show on login for the moment [01:09] it still needs work, but its getting closer [01:10] er on the main page [01:10] seems a bit broken in firefox [01:10] calendar is way off screen [01:10] nice overall Vantrax the blue underline on the mouse over is not the best... [01:11] as i said, im still debugging [01:11] moodle themes are very hard to debug >.< [01:11] popey, wow... I did not even see the calendar... good catch [01:11] it will take some time to get it right [01:11] Vantrax, why is there a link to OWA [01:11] for Newberry college? [01:11] unfortunately we dont have anyone that knows how to do this [01:12] cprofitt: the theme came from them [01:12] got it... [01:12] so we have to rip and replace. [01:12] what is it in... PHP? [01:12] im still updating it, just put it there so you guys could see what is going on [01:12] php, html, css [01:12] I like the colors ... [01:12] and the branding doctormo did is nice [01:12] yeah, it works well [01:12] it will look great soon [01:12] the funny thing is it looks alot better in the preview mode >.< [01:12] obviously we will have to rework some stuff... [01:12] :-D thanks [01:13] by we you mean me >.< [01:13] Vantrax|Work, if you can send me an admin password I can try to poke around at it... [01:13] sure [01:13] looks good [01:13] it will [01:14] I get the feeling I want to have my hand in the fixing and further design for this too [01:14] feel free doctormo [01:15] im happy to have you take over:P [01:15] gives me headaches [01:15] heh [01:15] considering my css, svg, design background I might be able to do it quickly. But I need a hand with the php [01:17] Vantrax|Work, can the theme be modified via the web or do you need ssh access? [01:17] sure, im reasonably good at php hacking from doing joomla themes [01:17] ssh access [01:17] k [01:17] i do an scp copy then change the permissions [01:18] Vantrax|Work: is all the files were modifing on our launchpad project page yet? [01:18] no, they are living in my ubuntuone folder shared out [01:18] they can be added to LP if you want [01:18] Vantrax|Work: I'll need code commited to bzr and ssh access, that'll give me everythign I need to get going. [01:18] Do you want me to organise lp? [01:18] sure [01:19] i dont know LP that well, and dont know bzr at all [01:20] Well.. the work looks good so far Vantrax|Work [01:20] Vantrax|Work: something that this should hope to introduce is the workflow for this kind of collab [01:20] and I like the way it is working with doctormo's artwork [01:20] OK cprofitt, you can add those as actions then [01:21] doctormo: true, lets do that later outside ubuntu meeting [01:21] doctormo to add Vantrax's code to launchpad project and Vantrax|Work to organise ssh access to website. [01:21] [ACTION]doctormo to get SSH access and code put in bzr, he will work with Vantrax to get this all setup [01:21] ACTION received: doctormo to get SSH access and code put in bzr, he will work with Vantrax to get this all setup [01:22] are there any other topics... or should we motion to close the meeting until next week? [01:22] cprofitt: No lets call this impromptu meeting to a close [01:22] #endmeeting [01:22] Meeting finished at 19:22. === asac_ is now known as asac [11:05] Hey amachu. [11:05] Hi [11:05] TheMuso: Hi, got stuck up with a work and it caused a five minute delay.. [11:06] Np, we don't have our candidate here yet anyway. [11:06] elky: persia: lifeless: Hi [11:06] um... is it today? [11:06] Yes. [11:06] * elky looks at the calendar [11:07] we might want to fix that before next week then :) [11:07] hey 07 th looked so long for me after the beginning of a month [11:07] and its next week :-) [11:08] hehe [11:08] elky: you are right [11:08] :-) [11:08] what did the wiki say, though? [11:08] elky: on 14th [11:08] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/RegionalBoards/AsiaOceania [11:08] TheMuso: on 14th [11:09] ah ok [11:09] well, we are short of quorum anyway [11:09] I could have swarn it was this week, since its been 2 weeks. [11:09] * TheMuso usually goes by the 2 week rule. [11:09] TheMuso, it has been, but i suspect it was not used in specifying the date [11:09] right [11:10] TheMuso: me too :-) [11:10] oh well so bye for now then. :) [11:10] bye bye [11:10] :-) [11:10] cyas :) === mdeslaur_ is now known as mdeslaur === txwikinger3 is now known as txwikinger [14:12] #startmeeting [14:12] Meeting started at 08:12. The chair is NCommander. [14:12] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [14:12] * NCommander coughs [14:12] #endmeeting [14:12] Meeting finished at 08:12. [14:14] that was a fast meeting :} [14:15] XD [14:17] mr_pouit, its a matter of time, and the inconsistanty of it === dholbach_ is now known as dholbach [15:25] hello, i've read an email on the "osm-talk" mailinglist about the offline-openstreetmap-dvd for ngos [15:25] anybody here who is active in this project?= [16:00] hey all [16:00] o/ [16:00] howdy all [16:00] hi [16:00] so mathiaz is running a few minutes late [16:00] he asked me to get started running the meeting today [16:01] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Meeting [16:01] the agenda is ^ [16:01] kirkland: Do the #startmeeting thing. [16:01] #startmeeting [16:01] Meeting started at 10:01. The chair is kirkland. [16:01] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [16:01] Or did you want to leave that to mathiaz? [16:02] soren: i don't really know the mootbot commands [16:02] morning [16:02] kirkland: Noone does. Just pretend. [16:02] [TOPIC] agenda [16:02] New Topic: agenda [16:02] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Meeting [16:02] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/ReportingPage [16:03] * kirkland looks for action items [16:03] ACTION: jmdault to start packaging asterisk 1.6+dkms [16:04] jmdault: how's that coming? [16:04] jmd -> nothing [16:04] anyone else workingo n packaging asterisk 1.6+dkms? [16:05] ACTION: nijaba to add rules detailing what makes a relevant tip and what’s not [16:05] looks like there has been some good discussion on the tips on the ubuntu-server@ list [16:05] nijaba is at a conference today, and won't be here in attendance [16:06] if you have ideas for tips, please get them to nijaba [16:06] i think the current rules are "2 lines less than 80 characters" [16:06] these would be randomly, optionally appended to the motd using update-motd [16:06] was it agreed whether it just be about packages in main? [16:07] ajmitch: let me review the thread [16:07] morning [16:08] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/server-tips [16:08] ajmitch: looks like exceptions can be made at the discretion of this team meeting [16:09] ajmitch: ie, if there's something about universe (or some group of universe tips), those should be brought to this meeting or the mailing list [16:09] ok [16:10] ACTION: ttx to add Roadmap Review to next meeting agenda [16:10] ttx is on vacation at the moment, and isn't around to discuss this with us [16:10] that's the end of last week's items [16:10] did anyone else have any followups from last week's discussion? [16:11] [TOPIC] RoadMap [16:11] New Topic: RoadMap [16:11] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Roadmap [16:11] there's a few easy merges still out there [16:12] anyone here hoping to become a MOTU this year? [16:12] oooh...me [16:12] oh wait.. [16:12] -> RoAkSoAx [16:12] * kirkland smacks zul :-) [16:12] zul: you don't qualify [16:12] I am :) [16:12] * RoAkSoAx hoping to become MOTU this year [16:13] * sommer has thought about it, but gets distracted :) [16:13] merges are one of the best ways to really pump up your visibility [16:13] asterisk doesn't count as an easy merge anymore, I think heimdal was done at some point recently? [16:13] Karmic's merge window is rapidly closing [16:13] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicReleaseSchedule [16:13] we've already hit debian import freeze [16:14] merges will be pretty much done by Feature Freeze (August 27) [16:14] as for Testing .... [16:14] anyone here running Karmic? [16:14] real hardware or vm's? [16:14] i am, vm [16:14] vm here too [16:15] I am, real hardware [16:15] ivoks: RoAkSoAx: ajmitch: reporting bugs? [16:15] probably we are all :) [16:15] there's plenty out there :-) [16:15] ivoks: i have it on my Thinkpad x61 ;-) [16:15] kirkland: of course [16:15] cool, great, keep up the good work [16:15] i'm not reporting; i'm fixing them :) [16:16] I'm testing HA packages :) [16:16] * kirkland high-fives ivoks [16:16] that's all for the agenda [16:16] [TOPIC] Name one cool Ubuntu thing you did last week [16:16] New Topic: Name one cool Ubuntu thing you did last week [16:17] ivoks: what did you fix last week? [16:17] drbd [16:17] still not uploaded into karmic, but it's on ppa [16:17] ivoks: for the record, one liner about drbd, please [16:17] and lots of pacemaker* openais* corosync* stuff [16:17] RoAkSoAx: what about you? [16:18] drbd; debian is interested in dkms (http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/debian-ha-maintainers/2009-July/000126.html); we have a dkms enabled package in PPA [16:18] kirkland, Fixed Heartbeat and now it is working, and I'm doing further testing [16:18] and i'll probably upload it by the end of the week [16:18] RoAkSoAx: nice [16:18] ivoks: very good [16:18] ajmitch: ? [16:19] kirkland: I've played with puppet and started to work on directory integration [16:19] looking at PHP 5.3 & starting to help out the debian team with various bits & pieces [16:19] kirkland: looks good so far :) [16:19] mathiaz: cool, that sounds great [16:19] ajmitch: PHP is always a big merge [16:19] soren: zul: ? [16:20] kirkland: I know, I'm trying to reduce that :) [16:20] ajmitch: that would be a huge help [16:20] kirkland: i triaged alot of bugs amongst other things [16:20] zul: nice, wanna help triage some KVM bugs? :-) [16:21] kirkland: if i had time ;) [16:21] kirkland: Sorry, what? [16:21] anyone else out there actively following this meeting that wants to mention something cool they worked on last week? [16:21] soren: one cool Ubuntu-Server thing you did last week. [16:21] napravi jos jednoga [16:21] kirkland: Eucalyptus. A lot. [16:21] ups... :) [16:22] soren: nice [16:22] THat sums up last week pretty well, actually :) [16:22] so soren and I sprinted with the Eucalyptus folks last week [16:22] i worked on two new tools for the Ubuntu server, powernap and powerwake [16:22] i should be blogging an announcement about that this week [16:23] [TOPIC] Open Discussion [16:23] New Topic: Open Discussion [16:23] mathiaz: i gather you're back now?\ [16:23] mathiaz: i think we've covered the agenda [16:23] kirkland: yes [16:23] kirkland: great [16:23] so I have something [16:23] zul: hit me [16:24] so ajmitch and a bunch of users have been asking for php 5.3 in karmic ajmitch has more information about what needs to be done so Ill let him take it from here [16:24] right [16:25] as you probably saw, it's been uploaded to debian experimental for some testing [16:25] 5.3 introduces a few big changes, and probably some bugs, such as the suhosin patch not updated for 5.3 yet [16:26] currently we're down to just 1 patch difference from debian, aside from the changes to debian/{rules,control}, but it's undecided whether we should stick with 5.2.10 in karmic, or go with 5.3 [16:27] anyone have any preferences on that? :) [16:28] ajmitch: is 5.3 GA upstream at php.net? [16:28] i always considered non-LTS releases as a playground for testing new stuff, so i'd support going for 5.3 [16:28] ajmitch: why should we move to 5.3? [16:28] ajmitch: or is it a beta/dev release? [16:28] i dont have a problem with it the only thing is the suhosin patch is not applied [16:28] yet [16:29] it's now a stable release on php.net [16:29] zul: what would be the timeframe to get the suhosin patch updated to 5.3? [16:29] mathiaz: because of the number of new features that have been added that people are already asking for [16:29] ajmitch: okay, that's a good thing; as mathiaz said, what's the motivation for 5.3? [16:29] mathiaz: dunno [16:29] is it fair to say that shipping without suhosin would be a feature regression? [16:30] apart from the super-awesome ones like goto, it adds namespaces, closures, late static bindings, plus a few pecl extensions moved into the core [16:30] mathiaz: yes imho [16:30] ajmitch: ok - so code that would run on jaunty would not work on karmic if we move to 5.3? [16:30] iirc we enable the core part of suhosin & have the rest available as an extension at the moment [16:31] mathiaz: it ought to work on karmic, they've deprecated but not removed things in 5.3 [16:31] ajmitch: ok. I'm unfamiliar with the suhosin patch [16:31] I haven't seen what's needed to be changed for the suhosin patch, it's not a small patch [16:32] ajmitch: thus my naive questions - does the suhosin patch introduce new construct? [16:32] ajmitch: or is it just performance improvements? [16:32] suhosin patch is for security & restricts PHP some more, catches some bugs [16:32] I haven't seen a mention on the debian list of when it may be added back in [16:33] ajmitch: would some scripts break if the suhosin patch is not applied? [16:33] No, they shouldn't [16:33] jdstrand: mdeslaur: what's your opinion on shipping php without the suhosin patch? [16:34] I believe that the patch would likely be enabled again in debian by feature freeze, though couldn't guarantee that [16:35] ajmitch: hm ok. [16:35] ajmitch: i wonder if a php ppa might be the best place for it until that point? [16:35] ajmitch: for instance, i'm providing daily upstream builds of qemu, qemu-kvm, and libvirt for testing [16:35] kirkland: sounds logical [16:35] ajmitch: i'm using those to refine the packaging, and do some testing [16:36] right - that seems like a reasonable plan to my - 5.3 in a PPA [16:36] ajmitch: without forcing that on someone [16:36] it would be disappointing to see it go [16:36] ajmitch: my goal being to migrate from there into karmic as soon as its ready [16:36] until the suhosin patch is reenabled in which case it can be pushed to karmic [16:36] I was going to throw it in my PPA first, as I said, it's still in experimental [16:36] ajmitch: right [16:37] so the plan would be to wait for the suhosin patch to be renenabled and if done so before FF push 5.3 in karmic? [16:37] ok [16:38] is there an ubuntu-php-team ? [16:39] not that I saw, which is why i'm trying to start doing stuff in the debian team instead [16:39] ajmitch: right - that's a great way to collaborate [16:39] I was also thinking about setting up a team PPA [16:40] I know at least one of the debian maintainers is active on launchpad in looking at PHP bugs [16:40] would it be possible to provide packages for older ubuntu releases? [16:40] to push the 5.3 package in the team PPA and ask people to test it there [16:40] ivoks: with a PPA - sure [16:40] of course, with a ppa [16:40] ivoks: it should be, though some other things may need to be backported [16:40] ivoks: or using -backports [16:40] I wouldn't want to shit php without the suhosin patch... [16:40] s/shit/ship/ [16:40] mathiaz: re feature regression> http://www.hardened-php.net/suhosin/a_feature_list.html lists the stuff that would be lost in dropping the patch [16:41] mdeslaur: jdstrand: great. thanks for your input. [16:41] mdeslaur: jdstrand: the plan is to wait for the suhosin patch to be ported to 5.3 before uploading to karmic [16:42] whoa...freudian slip on my part there [16:42] mdeslaur: understandable ;) [16:43] right, I'll look at getting an ubuntu team setup for the PPA [16:43] ajmitch: awesome - thanks:) [16:43] that would be great, indeed [16:44] and then announce it on the planet [16:44] IIRC it worked well for the ubuntu-ha team [16:44] ivoks: ^^?? [16:44] that'd require me to actually setup a blog, what a shocking thought [16:45] yeah... we had more members of ubuntu-ha than i hoped for [16:45] ajmitch: abuse ubuntu-server blog :D [16:45] ivoks: and you're using multiple PPAs to handle package? [16:45] yes [16:45] one for stable drbd for all ubuntu versions [16:45] and one development ppa for all other stuff [16:46] ivoks: awesome! may be the ubuntu-php team could be modeled after that in the medium-term [16:46] sure [16:47] i'm just not aware how to create access restrictions to ppas [16:47] and who was right to upload to ppa anyway? all members of the team or just administrators? [16:47] ivoks: right - that's a good questions [16:47] ivoks: I don't know the answer yet. [16:48] ivoks: I think it would be great to use a LP mailing list to gather users and anounce new package upload to be tested [16:48] ivoks: but still restrict who can upload to the PPAs. [16:48] we annonunced it on ubuntu-ha ml [16:49] ivoks: right - and who can subscribe to the ubuntu-ha ml? [16:49] members of ubuntu-ha [16:49] ivoks: right - who could also upload to the ubuntu-ha PPAs? [16:50] I think only administrators can upload to PPA [16:50] that's what i don't know... i hope that not all members are able to upload to ppa [16:50] i really hope only admins can do that :) [16:50] I think all members, from what I recall? [16:50] #launchpad would know [16:50] ivoks: I don't know either - #launchpad is the best place to ask [16:50] right [16:50] RoAkSoAx: I think all members [16:51] that could be an issue :) [16:51] dholbach: do you have examples of other teams that handle that correctly? [16:51] gonna ask on #launchpad [16:52] mathiaz: correctly? just create a team that has just uploaders in it, create a PPA for them and you're done :) [16:52] dholbach: right - that's what I though [16:52] create an ubuntu-{ha,php}-maintainers team [16:52] and an ubuntu-{ha,php} team [16:53] the former with PPAs, the latter with mailing lists. [16:53] we should really fix the design then [16:53] ACL's on PPA [16:54] yep [16:54] gonna create the ubuntu-ha-maintainers team then [16:54] okay, guys, are we wrapping this up? [16:54] * nealmcb1 returns from a two-week vacation in the wilds of Utah and Colorado and slowly gets back in the routine.... [16:55] kirkland: I hope so, it's nearly 4AM :) [16:55] i think we have a consensus, php in a ppa, get suhosin, then merge 5.3 into karmic [16:55] ajmitch: heh [16:55] [TOPIC] Next Meeting [16:55] New Topic: Next Meeting [16:55] same time/place? [16:55] yep, 3AM ajmitch time [16:56] different time would be lovely, but I'm probably one of the few in this area of the world [16:56] it's been discussed before & too few people would be around at other times, I think? [16:56] ajmitch: yeah - :/ [16:56] it's 11 am here and it's still early for me :) xD [16:56] how about moving it +2? [16:56] no big problem either way, I don't want to disrupt it for people [16:57] ivoks: that would not fit well with europeans - they eat at this time [16:57] i'm european :) [16:57] who eats at 7PM? [16:57] that's not healty :) [16:57] ivoks: soren and ttx apparently [16:57] * ajmitch would go with same time/place next week [16:59] ok [16:59] -#endmeeting [16:59] #endmeeting [16:59] Meeting finished at 10:59. [17:00] hi [17:00] hello [17:01] * charlie-tca__ waves [17:01] hi charlie, bdmurray! [17:02] i had to travel and couldn't prepare the proper minutes for last meeting, however i've just pasted the log at the wiki [17:02] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/Meeting/Minutes/2009-06-09 [17:05] thanks for doing that! [17:05] the main topics discussed last time were UDS related topics ( process for new bugsquad members, mentorship, kernel bug handling, ubuntu-bug usage, symptom bug based reporting) and the LP improvements [17:05] good morning bugsquad :) [17:06] * andresmujica waves mrooney [17:07] so, did we start already? [17:07] just waiting for quorum: [17:08] let's start then [17:08] #startmeeting [17:08] Meeting started at 11:08. The chair is andresmujica. [17:08] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [17:08] we stil have some topics here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/Meeting [17:09] [TOPIC] LoCo Bug Jams -- bcurtiswx [17:09] New Topic: LoCo Bug Jams -- bcurtiswx [17:10]