[00:03] <lool> We don't have kernel support for that I'm afraid
[00:05]  * lool &
[00:08] <patriconway> oh, well I was just wondering, verizon is selling them for 9 dollars
[00:09] <patriconway> does the mid support any phones?
[04:54] <persia> jumentous, So, you need a new background-launcher interface.  How far is kourou from your goal?
[04:54] <jumentous> persia, would prefer not to do it from scratch as i dont really know any gtk, and kourou is close
[04:55] <persia> In that case, I'd definitely recommend extending kourou.  It's a fairly tight codebase, and should be easy to enhance.
[04:55] <jumentous> kourou is close, it actually looked better in the intrepid mobile edition as it had icon outlining etc
[04:55] <jumentous> but i was looking through current ubuntu-mid and it has things like background chooser
[04:55] <persia> kourou was the intrepid mobile edition launcher.
[04:55] <jumentous> which seems to set options in gconf but are never read which is how i found the spec
[04:57] <jumentous> i know just had a nicer look with outlining 
[04:57] <persia> When you say "current ubuntu-mid", which do you mean?
[04:57] <jumentous> with quick google image search this: http://sinecera.de/apps_0.3.png is close
[04:57] <jumentous> (i have no idea what thats from)
[04:57] <persia> neither do I.
[04:58] <jumentous> which appears to use kourou as the launcher, however it may not 
[04:59] <jumentous> jaunty, just installing ubuntu-mid
[04:59] <persia> Right.  intrepid and jaunty are kourou.
[04:59] <jumentous> with default settings things like outlines of icons are gone
[04:59] <jumentous> no idea why
[05:00] <jumentous> haven't tried to change configs yet so might be able to bring it back
[05:00] <persia> Try fiddling with gconf, or looking at the kourou code.
[05:00] <jumentous> its unlikely they would remove it
[05:00] <jumentous> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ubuntumobile.jpg
[05:00] <jumentous> -- icon outlines 
[05:01] <persia> Oh, that's not kourour.
[05:01] <persia> s/r\././
[05:02] <persia> That's mobile-basic-flash or some such, and more likely just a mockup of how mobile-basic-flash was supposed to appear.
[05:03] <jumentous> ah, maybe thats it
[05:03] <jumentous> i played with mobile-basic-flash in previous versions 
[05:04] <jumentous> but a while ago 
[05:04] <jumentous> why was mobile-basic-flash scrapped in favour of kourou? (checking if mobile-basic-flash is even in jaunty)
[05:05] <jumentous> its not 
[05:05] <persia> Because it was unfixably bad.
[05:06] <persia> It didn't comply with any of the specs about how launchers behave, and it was quicker to develop a replacement than to even find the source of the problem in mobile-basic-flash
[05:13] <jumentous> ok, so options are live with kourou, fix kourou, rethink completely (and nothing coming from mer) 
[05:13] <jumentous> well, at least now i know
[05:13] <jumentous> thanks persia
[05:17] <persia> Good luck :)
[22:02]  * NCommander coughs loader
[22:02] <ogra> heh
[22:02] <NCommander> Not my week
[22:02] <NCommander> So not my week
[22:02] <StevenK> Which meeting are we stepping on?
[22:02] <ogra> make sure to tell everybody
[22:02] <NCommander> StevenK, Community Council
[22:02] <ogra> CC
[22:02] <NCommander> ogra, I'll put it on planet
[22:02] <NCommander> #startmeeting
[22:02] <MootBot> Meeting started at 16:02. The chair is NCommander.
[22:02] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[22:02] <StevenK> Heh, they won't like it
[22:02] <NCommander> Neat
[22:02] <NCommander> that works
[22:03] <NCommander> [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2009/20090707
[22:03] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2009/20090707 
[22:03] <NCommander> [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Roadmap
[22:03] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Roadmap 
[22:03] <NCommander> [topic] Announcements
[22:03] <MootBot> New Topic:  Announcements 
[22:03] <NCommander> So a quick heads up for those not here this morning; the meeting is normally at 13:00 UTC today. We're having it now cause I blotched the last meeting reminder email, and no one caught it until it was too late :-/
[22:04] <NCommander> all future meetings will be at 13:00UTC
[22:04] <NCommander> [topic] Action Item Review
[22:04] <MootBot> New Topic:  Action Item Review 
[22:04] <NCommander> [topic] NCommander to investigate https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vnc4/+bug/338148 (co) 
[22:04] <MootBot> New Topic:  NCommander to investigate https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vnc4/+bug/338148 (co)  
[22:04] <NCommander> c/o
[22:05] <NCommander> I might nudge an xorg guy to look at this, its an interesting package
[22:05] <NCommander> [topic] GrueMaster to retest on i386 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/337809 
[22:05] <MootBot> New Topic:  GrueMaster to retest on i386 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/337809  
[22:05] <NCommander> GrueMaster, ?
[22:06] <NCommander> I'll c/o it for now
[22:06] <NCommander> [topic] StevenK and lool to collobrate on -translations and to report back next wee
[22:06] <MootBot> New Topic:  StevenK and lool to collobrate on -translations and to report back next wee 
[22:06] <NCommander> ^k
[22:06] <StevenK> Please carry it over, still waiting for Kyle. I've prodded him.
[22:06] <ogra> NCommander, did you make sure everyone is around ? 
[22:07] <ogra> you should do a roll call
[22:07] <davidm> I'm here
[22:07] <davidm> gump
[22:07] <NCommander> lool, StevenK, GrueMaster, paulliu, persia, plars ping
[22:08] <NCommander> oh, and dyfet 
[22:08] <plars> aqui
[22:08] <paulliu> NCommander: hi
[22:08]  * NCommander is seeing who's here for the meeting
[22:08] <dyfet> hi
[22:08] <NCommander> so everyone except GrueMaster and lool is here
[22:09] <NCommander> Ok then ...
[22:10] <NCommander> [topic] Specification Review
[22:10] <MootBot> New Topic:  Specification Review 
[22:10] <NCommander> [topic] mobile-arm-karmic-subarches-in-debian-cd (ogra)
[22:10] <MootBot> New Topic:  mobile-arm-karmic-subarches-in-debian-cd (ogra) 
[22:10] <ogra> approved
[22:10] <ogra> no work done yet
[22:10]  * NCommander is going to skip lool and GrueMaster's specs
[22:11] <NCommander> [topic] mobile-unr-karmic-connman  (paulliu)
[22:11] <MootBot> New Topic:  mobile-unr-karmic-connman  (paulliu) 
[22:11] <paulliu> Sorry. I still need some time to work for this.
[22:11] <NCommander> [topic] karmic-freescale-desktop (ogra/NCommander)
[22:11] <MootBot> New Topic:  karmic-freescale-desktop (ogra/NCommander) 
[22:11] <ogra> WIP
[22:12] <ogra> ftbfs list cleared up the last days
[22:12] <ogra> as much as i could
[22:12] <ogra> thats all ... we're still having to discuss the bootloader we'll use
[22:13] <NCommander> I have a few things to add
[22:13] <ogra> go ahead
[22:13] <NCommander> The only FTBFS's in main that we care about ATM is mostly KDE, which is currently broken due to strangeness with pkgbinarymangler. It's on my TODO list, but no idea when I'm going to get it
[22:13] <ogra> bootloader is more important atm
[22:13] <NCommander> Right, I'm just bringing it up
[22:14] <NCommander> I have my B2 fully setup running off a USB root, and checked d-i on it; archdetect properly detects it as a imx51 board, so d-i will not need to be modified for Babbage2
[22:14] <ogra> well
[22:14] <ogra> it doesnt detect it as B2
[22:14] <ogra> that sill need an update
[22:14] <ogra> *will
[22:14] <NCommander> ogra, it detects it as an imx51, as far as I understand it, we're having on imx51 kernel, not two
[22:15] <NCommander> *one
[22:15] <NCommander> subarchitecture only really affects kernel installation and flash-kernel, and the later should properly detect it as an imx51 (it uses the same type of check as archdetect on determining the SoC)
[22:15] <ogra> well, so what do you do if somone runs that image on a B1 ?
[22:15] <davidm> NCommander, yes we will only have one iMX51 kernel
[22:15] <NCommander> That image isn't going to boot on a B1
[22:15] <ogra> right
[22:16] <ogra> cpuinfo gives you the info you ned
[22:16] <ogra> it should get updated
[22:16] <NCommander> ogra, cpuinfo is identical B1/B2
[22:16] <NCommander> (for Processor, which is all that's checked)
[22:16] <ogra> it wasnt for me
[22:16] <ogra> i dont have it right now because my board is gone
[22:16] <ogra> but there were differences
[22:17] <NCommander> Hardware        : Freescale MX51 Babbage Board on the B2
[22:17] <ogra> and we should make sure you are not accidentially installing a B2 image on a B1 
[22:17] <ogra> there is more than the HW line in cpuinfo :)
[22:17] <NCommander> Ugh, there's not a good clean way to that
[22:18] <NCommander> ogra, right, that I know, but currently, that's all thats checked for archdetect
[22:18] <NCommander> and flash-kernel
[22:18] <ogra> d-i uses the whole of it
[22:18] <ogra> not only the HW line
[22:18] <NCommander> Not as far as I remember, but lets take this offline
[22:18] <ogra> right
[22:18] <NCommander> [aciton] ogra and NCommander to take d-i arch detection discussion offline
[22:18] <NCommander> [action] ogra and NCommander to take d-i arch detection discussion offline
[22:18] <MootBot> ACTION received:  ogra and NCommander to take d-i arch detection discussion offline 
[22:18] <ogra> heh
[22:19] <NCommander> [topic] karmic-marvell-desktop
[22:19] <MootBot> New Topic:  karmic-marvell-desktop 
[22:19] <NCommander> ENOHARDWARE
[22:19] <ogra> ame here
[22:19] <NCommander> ame?
[22:19] <ogra> but we have code :)
[22:19] <ogra> *same
[22:19] <NCommander> code is good
[22:19] <NCommander> [topic] mobile-qa-karmic-arm (plars)
[22:19] <MootBot> New Topic:  mobile-qa-karmic-arm (plars) 
[22:19] <plars> have overview testplan, but not much other than that
[22:20] <plars> are we going to have a build for alpha 3?
[22:20] <NCommander> ^- davidm 
[22:21] <plars> the reason I ask, is that most of the testcases for desktop should work here, but a lot of what I need to do is validate that they are working correctly in karmic for ARM
[22:21] <ogra> plars, we will
[22:21] <davidm> plars, it is not looking good, the kernel team is still struggling to get a kernel.
[22:21] <ogra> but we wont have many people to test it
[22:22] <plars> I have hardware to test it, except no b2
[22:22] <ogra> davidm, as i understood we'll have the imx51 kernel in time
[22:22] <ogra> but nobody has HW to do testing
[22:22] <davidm> ogra, the kernel team is working on it. They have 4-5 folks working it now.
[22:22] <NCommander> Last I heard, they merged the patches in, but the kernel doesn't boot
[22:22] <ogra> i know :)
[22:23] <ogra> if it boots on the lange 5.2 i can test 
[22:23] <davidm> They are asking for help from Freescale, it starts to boot and locks
[22:23] <ogra> kernel team has both arches
[22:23] <NCommander> I'll make sure the kernel team pokes me if they have something to test
[22:24] <NCommander> [topic] mobile-arm-karmic-easy-redboot-management (ogra)
[22:24] <MootBot> New Topic:  mobile-arm-karmic-easy-redboot-management (ogra) 
[22:24] <ogra> WIP
[22:24] <ogra> though not sure we'll still use redboot :)
[22:25] <NCommander> ogra, are we going to need a u-boot version of this spec, or do the tools we need pre-exist
[22:25] <ogra> they exist in debian already
[22:25] <ogra> we have them 
[22:25] <NCommander> neat
[22:25] <NCommander> [topic] mobile-arm-karmic-softboot-loader (NCommander)
[22:25] <MootBot> New Topic:  mobile-arm-karmic-softboot-loader (NCommander) 
[22:25] <ogra> uboot-mkimage is the only thing we need
[22:26] <NCommander> Virtually no progress on this one :-/.I'm going to draft what we need/want for it, and kick the list upstream (I've had an informal discussion on the topic, but I'd like to formalize it, have lool look at it, then send it their way)
[22:27] <NCommander> [topic] mobile-unr-karmic-application-res (paulliu)
[22:27] <MootBot> New Topic:  mobile-unr-karmic-application-res (paulliu) 
[22:27] <paulliu> WIP. iagno patch is on the half way. Anjal is packaging.
[22:27] <NCommander> [topic] mobile-unr-karmic-compliance-autotesting (plars)
[22:27] <MootBot> New Topic:  mobile-unr-karmic-compliance-autotesting (plars) 
[22:27] <plars> some progress here
[22:28] <plars> I have started running through apps and finding how to get to all the dialogs
[22:28] <plars> and started work on a test driver
[22:28]  * ogra has a tip for NCommander to sort the LP list by asignee next time :)
[22:28] <NCommander> ogra, I sort by priority
[22:28] <plars> which I should be able to feed xml descriptions for how to get to each dialog context, and it will automagically run through it
[22:28] <NCommander> ogra, I didn't even realize you could sort it :-/
[22:28] <plars> if I can get it working, it should speed up the process of completing this one
[22:29] <NCommander> [topic] mobile-unr-karmic-wubi  (StevenK)
[22:29] <MootBot> New Topic:  mobile-unr-karmic-wubi  (StevenK) 
[22:29] <StevenK> Pretty much done.
[22:29] <StevenK> Requires a bit of testing, and then can be marked as Implemented.
[22:30]  * ogra wants mobile-unr-karmic-wubi-arm
[22:30] <NCommander> StevenK, I can probably help you w/ it
[22:30]  * NCommander notes ogra needs a new joke
[22:30] <ogra> heh
[22:30] <ogra> just for that comment it was worth it
[22:30] <NCommander> ogra, be careful or your going to get an AI on it :-P
[22:31] <NCommander> [topic] mobile-arm-karmic-offline-installer-gui (ogra)
[22:31] <MootBot> New Topic:  mobile-arm-karmic-offline-installer-gui (ogra) 
[22:31] <ogra> hehe
[22:31] <ogra> WIP
[22:31] <ogra> project-rootstock registered
[22:31] <ogra> no more work done, to much papaerwork and ftbfs work this week 
[22:31] <NCommander> "rootstock"?
[22:31] <ogra> yeah
[22:31] <ogra> thats the name
[22:32] <NCommander> I guess its continuing the fine tradition of strange names this team has ...
[22:32] <ogra> https://launchpad.net/project-rootstock
[22:32] <NCommander> I take it /rootstock is registered?
[22:32] <plars> how many names is that for this project now?
[22:32] <ogra> well, my diest doesnt allow much beer anymore :)
[22:32] <ogra> *diet 
[22:33] <NCommander> er, *stalk
[22:33] <ogra> so i switched to wine names
[22:33] <ogra> no, LP has a silly regex
[22:33] <ogra> ^root isnt allowed
[22:33] <NCommander> interesting ...
[22:33] <ogra> so i had to prefix it with project
[22:33] <NCommander> [topic] mobile-karmic-general-resolution-for-touchscreen-handling (ogra)
[22:33] <MootBot> New Topic:  mobile-karmic-general-resolution-for-touchscreen-handling (ogra) 
[22:33] <ogra> drafting *sigh*
[22:34] <NCommander> [topic] mobile-karmic-lxde-ubuntu-desktop (dyfet)
[22:34] <MootBot> New Topic:  mobile-karmic-lxde-ubuntu-desktop (dyfet) 
[22:34] <dyfet> Was approved and referencing lubuntu package list for possible seed candidate, but otherwise no further update on this spec since last week
[22:34] <NCommander> I'm skipping mobile-unr-karmic-translations as we went over it in Action Item Review
[22:34] <NCommander> [topic] Open Discussion
[22:34] <MootBot> New Topic:  Open Discussion 
[22:34]  * ogra still has a task to make up a call with the german lxde team
[22:34] <ogra> didnt manage that yet
[22:34] <NCommander> [action] ogra still has a task to make up a call with the german lxde team
[22:35] <MootBot> ACTION received:  ogra still has a task to make up a call with the german lxde team 
[22:35] <ogra> argh ...
[22:35] <dyfet> ogra: I have exchanged some email with them, but if you want to call, certainly do so too :)
[22:35] <ogra> ok, now its official :)
[22:35] <ogra> dyfet, well, if the mail is sufficient thats fine
[22:35] <ogra> they hoped to meet me at linuxtag
[22:35] <ogra> which i didnt manage to go to
[22:36] <ogra> the call is only a fallback idea from davidm 
[22:36] <dyfet> ah...well, they still havent formally requested to take over the spec, so the call might be helpful for that...
[22:36] <ogra> ok, i'll do it then
[22:38] <NCommander> so anything else?
[22:38]  * ogra starts snoring ...
[22:38] <ogra> sliently ...
[22:38]  * NCommander notes there is no snore-over-IRC protocol 
[22:39] <ogra> we shold fix that
[22:39] <ogra> especially for GrueMaster :)
[22:39] <NCommander> #[action] ogra to draft karmic-mobile-snore-over-irc specification
[22:39] <ogra> lol
[22:39] <StevenK> Boo, hiss
[22:40] <NCommander> StevenK, BTW, you might be able to test parts of Wubi in wine
[22:40] <NCommander> (I realize from the perspective of actually booting its a bit useless, but you can test the install bits I'm sure)
[22:40] <StevenK> Hmmmmm
[22:41] <NCommander> It should get as far as making an image, and then creating a c:\boot.ini(?) file 
[22:41] <NCommander> or appending said file
[22:41] <StevenK> I can try it, sure.
[22:41] <NCommander> (I figure its worth a shot)
[22:42] <NCommander> ok, I think that's everything
[22:42] <NCommander> Closing in 3
[22:42] <NCommander> 2
[22:42] <NCommander> 1
[22:42] <NCommander> 0
[22:42] <NCommander> #endmeeting
[22:42] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 16:42.
[22:42] <NCommander> (woo, we finished early for once)
[22:53] <asjo> (I just wandered in here, so feel free to direct me elsewhere:) I was wondering if anyone can tell me/point me to what the status of the poulsbo graphics drivers are? Especially for Karmic. [Didn't check and bought a psb-equipped netbook...]
[22:59] <davidm> asac, no luck with Karmic, because the 3D is binary Intel is the only source of them and they are not supporting Karmic at the current time.
[22:59] <davidm> asjo, ^^^
[22:59] <davidm> asac, sorry tab completion error.
[23:00] <asjo> davidm, thanks. How annoying. However, 2D would be better than nothing, is the situation any different for that?
[23:02] <davidm> We normally get the entire driver from Intel and they are not supporting Karmic at the current time.  You might be able to forward port the old 2D driver but it's based on an older version of Xorg so it would be hard I think.
[23:04] <asjo> davidm, I should do more research before buying... The best starting point for that would be the PPA for intrepid, or?
[23:05] <StevenK> Jaunty is in the PPA, too
[23:05] <StevenK> Supporting both 2D and 3D.
[23:05] <davidm> asjo, StevenK is the best resource for knowing what is in the PPAs
[23:07] <asjo> StevenK: cool - are those the latest and ge
[23:07] <asjo> greatest sources, or is there somewhere else I could go looking?
[23:08] <StevenK> asjo: They're the latest and greatest I could get my hands on.
[23:08] <asjo> StevenK: Thanks!
[23:08] <StevenK> asjo: No problem!