[00:15] <BUGabundo> fta asac any one noticing huge slow downs on youtube videos on fullscreen? Firefox 3.6, flash 64bits
[00:15] <BUGabundo> works ok on regular size window
[00:15] <asac> no
[00:15] <asac> i use 32-bits
[00:15] <asac> with nspw
[00:18] <micahg> BUGabundo: I'd say check your video driver
[00:18] <BUGabundo> nvidia
[00:19] <micahg> did your last kernel update do anything to video?
[00:19] <BUGabundo> no idea
[00:34] <FFEMTcJ> Did 3.5 get put into the universe repo today?
[00:35] <BUGabundo> err
[00:35] <BUGabundo> been tehre since for ever
[00:37] <FFEMTcJ> BUGabundo: the final release
[00:38] <BUGabundo> oh.... forget about it!
[00:38] <FFEMTcJ> ?
[00:39] <micahg> FFEMTcJ: yes, in Jaunty
[00:44] <asac> jaunty-security and -updates got it now
[00:44] <FFEMTcJ> just sudo aptitude install firefox-3.5  ?
[00:44] <FFEMTcJ> nothing else needed?
[00:44] <BUGabundo> welll
[00:45] <BUGabundo> apt-get update may help ;)
[00:45] <FFEMTcJ> did that already
[00:45] <asac> fta: if you havent installed then yes. otherwise apt-get update + upgrade
[00:45] <asac> sorry
[00:45] <asac> FFEMTcJ: ^^
[00:45] <BUGabundo> ahaah
[00:46] <WebcamWonder> Thank you for fixing the thunderbird build! :)
[00:47] <asac> bug 396252
[00:47] <asac> welcome!
[00:48] <WebcamWonder> Who fixed it by the way? I am curious now!
[00:48] <BUGabundo> asac: lovelly bug
[00:48] <BUGabundo> but doesn't beat my Fullscreen one
[00:49] <FFEMTcJ> its still showing up as shiretoko?
[00:49] <asac> WebcamWonder: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/thunderbird/thunderbird-3.0.head
[00:49] <asac> FFEMTcJ: thats normal
[00:49] <asac> FFEMTcJ: we dont change UI in security/stable updates
[00:50] <FFEMTcJ> o
[00:50] <asac> and the brading is a top level UI thing
[00:50] <WebcamWonder> Ahh, alrighty, thanks a lot :)
[00:50] <asac> the other reason is that we only have the default browser branded
[00:50] <asac> in that way we dont have to obey trademark restrictions with the other build
[00:50] <FFEMTcJ> so it wont have the firefox logo until karmic
[00:50] <asac> and also we want users to be able to distinguish both builds when they run them next to each other
[00:50] <asac> right
[00:51] <asac> we explicitly put effort into allowing hem to be run next to each other
[00:51] <BUGabundo> fta remember the flash grabbing bug? now it only grabs keyboard! mouse works ok!
[00:51] <FFEMTcJ> how can i make 3.5 default?
[00:51] <asac> FFEMTcJ: set firefox-3.5 %s in gnome -> preferences -> preferred applications
[00:51] <asac> that should make it the default for most use cases
[00:51] <FFEMTcJ> k
[00:52] <FFEMTcJ> ty
[00:53] <asac> branding is not important
[00:53] <asac> ;)
[00:53] <BUGabundo> err
[00:53] <BUGabundo> asac: tell that to the debian guys :)
[00:53] <asac> we provide that package as a service so ffox addicts can access it most easily ;) the other option is to not provide that package at all
[00:53] <asac> BUGabundo: branding is not important is basically what they say ;)
[00:54] <BUGabundo> been using debian all day at new 2nd job
[00:54]  * BUGabundo misses ubuntu
[00:54] <asac> well. debian isnt that bad
[00:54] <asac> i used it for ages
[00:54] <asac> i like the pure gnome desktop ;)
[00:54] <asac> even if it lacks behind a bit
[00:55] <BUGabundo> a bit?
[00:55] <BUGabundo> :)
[00:56] <asac> well. look at how gnome evolves
[00:56] <asac> its not like they make considerable jumps in one or two release cycles
[00:56] <asac> so if you are just one or two behind you are not that far behind ;)
[00:56] <asac> i probably could live with hardy till its EOL if all the things i want to do work fine ;)
[00:56] <asac> and i wasnt supposed to run this karmic stuff ;)
[00:57] <BUGabundo> eeheh
[00:57] <asac> why not wait 3 years and then get a "wow" effect. thats all completely better ;)
[00:57] <BUGabundo> karmacian by job :)
[00:57] <asac> heh
[00:57] <BUGabundo> really?
[00:57] <asac> yeah well.
[00:57] <BUGabundo> I think small steps, lots of them, are better
[00:58] <asac> i would run latest most likely in any case ;)
[00:58] <asac> its just that i could imagine to not do it and still being happy :)
[00:58] <FFEMTcJ> id personally rather get rid of 3.0 and go competely to 3.5, but i guess i gotta wait for that..lol
[00:58] <BUGabundo> FFEMTcJ: why?
[00:58] <BUGabundo> I stop using 3.5 once it hit beta
[00:59] <BUGabundo> now using 3.6 and happy with its few bugs!
[00:59] <asac> FFEMTcJ: we have -daily ppa
[00:59] <asac> thats a godo thing
[00:59] <asac> not too risky, but still fun
[00:59] <BUGabundo> and one of my fab addons is since last week fixed so YAY
[00:59] <asac> so if you have 3.5 and 3.6 (trunk( dailies
[00:59] <asac> and 3.6 breaks for a day, you can at least keep using 3.5 for that day ;)
[00:59]  * BUGabundo wants to pin down 3.5 to archive but doesn't know how :(
[00:59] <asac> BUGabundo: why are you scared for 3.5 dailies?
[01:00] <asac> they are less likely to break now that its "released" than before
[01:00] <BUGabundo> 3g bw!
[01:00] <BUGabundo> I don't use 3.5 anymore, but like to keep it
[01:00] <asac> BUGabundo: you can give the archive a high priortiy
[01:00] <asac> BUGabundo: or give the ppa a low one
[01:00] <BUGabundo> how?
[01:00] <asac> there is documentation on the web ;)
[01:00] <BUGabundo> fta tried and failed
[01:00] <asac> i always need to check myself
[01:00] <BUGabundo> oh really mr google?
[01:00] <BUGabundo> :)
[01:01] <asac> so for me:
[01:01] <micahg> BUGabundo: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/211603/
[01:01] <asac> Package: fakeroot
[01:02] <asac> Pin: origin ubuntu.intergenia.de
[01:02] <asac> Pin-Priority: 1001
[01:02] <asac> worked
[01:02] <BUGabundo> thanks micahg. will try
[01:02] <asac> it prevents me from pulling the fakerrot from fta ppa
[01:02] <asac> ubuntu.intergenia is the hostname of the archive mirror i am using
[01:02] <BUGabundo> asac: poor gwibber devs (and poor my inbox)
[01:02] <micahg> BUGabundo: that'll make the Ubuntu repos higher
[01:02] <micahg> by default they;re 500
[01:03] <micahg> BUGabundo: http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html
[01:03] <asac> micahg: but does 450 vs 500 alreay hold back stuff?
[01:03] <micahg> yep
[01:03] <asac> i thought there are barriers in man preferences
[01:03] <micahg> it goes by higher priority
[01:03] <micahg> 499 vs 500 would AFAIK
[01:04] <asac> micahg: http://paste.ubuntu.com/211605/
[01:04] <micahg> hmmm
[01:05] <micahg> interesting
[01:05] <asac> i think at least 501
[01:05] <asac> man apt_preferences
[01:05] <BUGabundo> Package: firefox-3.5
[01:05] <BUGabundo> Pin: origin ppa.launchpad.net
[01:05] <BUGabundo> Pin-Priority: 450
[01:05] <micahg> BUGabundo:
[01:05] <micahg> that should install the one from the repo over the dily
[01:05] <micahg> daily
[01:06] <BUGabundo> if so YAY
[01:06] <fta> asac, it's no longer needed
[01:06] <BUGabundo> that what I want!
[01:06] <micahg> well, I upgraded to 3.5 and it's not offering 3.5.1 dailies
[01:06] <asac> fta: what?
[01:06] <micahg> but I get updates to everything else in dailies
 it prevents me from pulling the fakerrot from fta ppa
[01:06] <asac> oh good
[01:06] <BUGabundo> micahg: slow PPA builders
[01:06] <asac> was it he library path?
[01:06] <asac> fta: did you remove it from ppa?
[01:06] <BUGabundo> micahg: fixed now
[01:07] <micahg> it worked?
[01:07] <fta> asac, yes
[01:07] <asac> BUGabundo: why dont you want dailies?
[01:07] <micahg> BUGabundo: I don't want the 3.5 dailies :)
[01:07] <asac> BUGabundo: at least add the -security ppa then
[01:07] <asac> oh wait. that will break your pinning ;)
[01:07] <asac> lol
[01:07] <BUGabundo> micahg: haven't checked yet
[01:08] <BUGabundo> asac: (01:00:11 AM) freenode: 3g bw! (01:00:21 AM) freenode: I don't use 3.5 anymore, but like to keep it
[01:08] <BUGabundo> I use 3.6 and chromium any way
[01:10] <BUGabundo> micahg: $ sudo aptitude update E: Invalid record in the preferences file, no Package header
[01:11] <micahg> can you post your preferences file to past.ubuntu
[01:11] <micahg> *paste
[01:11] <BUGabundo> micahg: nevermind
[01:11] <micahg> ah
[01:11] <BUGabundo> I was being sooooooooooooooo dense
[01:11] <BUGabundo> won't even tell you what I did wrong
[01:11] <asac> save
[01:11] <BUGabundo> don't want to have you laught all night along on my account
[01:11] <BUGabundo> asac: nope! worse
[01:14] <asac> worse than not saving is only not writing
[01:14] <asac> so most likely on a wrong pc ;)
[01:14] <asac> in a ssh shell ;)
 Pin: origin ubuntu.intergenia.de <= does it work?
[01:14] <asac> fta: yes
[01:15] <fta> i thought is was more like Pin: release o=LP-PPA-ubuntu-mozilla-daily
[01:15] <asac> at least for fakeroot it worked bak a few days
[01:15] <asac> fta: maybe thats a different format ... origin is just stupid by hostname
[01:15] <BUGabundo> asac: or writing the wrong stuff and not read it
[01:15] <asac> i wasnt capable to figure something more enhanced ;)
[01:15] <asac> i was happy when i could continue working ;)
[01:16] <micahg> fta: there are multiple ways to pin, as the perl mongers say TMTOWTDI
[01:16] <fta> for me, origin means the Origin field, as in http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-mozilla-daily/ppa/ubuntu/dists/karmic/Release
[01:17] <micahg> fta: run apt-cache policy
[01:17] <fta>  500 http://ppa.launchpad.net karmic/main Packages
[01:17] <fta>      release v=9.10,o=LP-PPA-chromium-daily,a=karmic,l=Ubuntu,c=main
[01:17] <fta>      origin ppa.launchpad.net
[01:17] <micahg> there you go :)
[01:18] <fta> but origin ppa.launchpad.net is not enough, i have several ppas
[01:18] <BUGabundo> $ apt-cache policy firefox-3.5 | pastebinit
[01:18] <BUGabundo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/211609/
[01:18] <micahg> true, you can pin multiple items at once if you want
[01:18] <micahg> but for me, pinning ppa.lp.net works great
[01:18] <micahg> I only want to override official archives for a few things
[01:18] <BUGabundo> I'll test tomorrow and see if it works
[01:19] <BUGabundo> *if* we get a daily for 3.5 eheh
[01:19] <fta> BUGabundo, http://paste.ubuntu.com/211610/
[01:19] <BUGabundo> so its pinned
[01:19] <fta> mine, yes, not yours
[01:20] <BUGabundo> well I already had it !!!
[01:20] <micahg> http://pastebin.com/f69befa2e
[01:20] <BUGabundo> it won't downgrade on it self
[01:20] <BUGabundo> just not upgrae
[01:20] <BUGabundo> _ I hope _
[01:20] <fta> well, it's not pinned, it just prefers universe
[01:20] <asac> fta: maybe you need to use something like
[01:20] <micahg> BUGabundo: yours will upgrade itself
[01:20] <asac> release v=*,o=LP-PPP-....,a=karmic,l=Ubuntu,c=*
[01:21] <asac> e.g all?
[01:21] <asac> otherwise i dont know why yours doesnt work
[01:21] <BUGabundo>      3.5+nobinonly-0ubuntu1 450
[01:21] <BUGabundo>  *** 3.5.1~hg20090706r26039+nobinonly-0ubuntu2~umd1 450
[01:21] <asac> ask mvo tomorrow ;)
[01:21] <BUGabundo> something is not fine here
[01:21] <BUGabundo> both have 450?
[01:21] <fta> mine is ok
[01:21] <micahg> where's the from BUGabundo?
[01:22] <BUGabundo> micahg: $ apt-cache policy firefox-3.5 | pastebinit  http://paste.ubuntu.com/211609/
[01:23] <micahg> ah
[01:23] <micahg> hmm
[01:23] <micahg> mine is 0, but I didn't pin the package
[01:24] <BUGabundo> ok bed time for me! 1:30 am and I'll be up at 7:30 to leave for work
[01:24] <asac> cu
[01:25]  * BUGabundo $ do radom_pool (bath;sleep;breakfast;work);
[01:25] <asac> sleep is for the weak ;)
[01:26] <BUGabundo> I know
[01:26] <BUGabundo> but I must
[01:26] <asac> me too ;)
[01:26] <BUGabundo> I like my pillow
[01:26] <asac> hehe
[01:26] <BUGabundo> sure it would be much better if some one else was there with me
[01:26] <asac> i usually dont want to sleep, but i always want to sleep longer :)
[01:26] <BUGabundo> but... that's next
[01:26] <BUGabundo> naa
[01:26] <BUGabundo> I'm an easy wake up
[01:27] <BUGabundo> but sleep hard
[01:27] <BUGabundo> :;)
[01:27] <BUGabundo> if that even makes sense after translated
[01:41] <asac> fta: is http://paste.ubuntu.com/211620/ better?
[01:41] <asac> (thats with .31)
[01:43] <fta> you still have those Slow...
[01:44] <asac> anyway openarena works perfect on highest resolution
[01:44] <asac> 1920*1200
[01:44] <asac> doesnt help me with my commercial games though :(
[01:45] <asac> let me start ut2004
[01:45] <asac> which is probably the one with least graphics need
[01:47] <fta> for me, the problem with openarena is the sound :(
[01:48] <asac> yeah
[01:48] <asac> no good ;)
[01:48] <asac> fta: right openarena sound had some strange noise
[01:48] <asac> thought that was ok ;)
[01:57] <asac> http://tech.slashdot.org/story/09/07/06/1759225/Examining-the-HTML-5-Video-Codec-Debate?from=rss
[01:58] <asac> fta: ^^
[02:05] <fta> i mean, i loose sound after a few minutes in o-a
[02:07] <asac> hmm didnt see that
[02:07] <asac> i will play it now and then sleep
[02:07] <asac> good night ;)
[02:07] <asac> may the sound be with me ;)
[02:10] <fta> good night
[02:43] <FFEMTcJ> asac: what is the daily repo?
[04:05] <jetsaredim> FFEMTcJ: in case no one mentioned it already... https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-daily/+archive/ppa
[05:32] <gnomefreak> anyone know what the name of the text node mouse? it enables you to use mouse in TTY and text mode?
[05:40] <gnomefreak> found it its is called gpm :)
[05:41] <micahg> cool
[05:42] <gnomefreak> eagles0513875: you needed me for something 12 hours ago or so?
[05:42] <gnomefreak> morning micahg
[05:42] <micahg> almost morning for me :)
[05:43] <gnomefreak> :
[05:43] <gnomefreak> its 12:24AM here i slept aound an hour
[05:44] <micahg> (11:42:18 PM) gnomefreak: morning micahg
[05:44] <gnomefreak> sorry 12:42
[05:44] <gnomefreak> .:00:44:10:. <      gnomefreak > sorry 12:42
[05:46] <gnomefreak> switching to X i hope
[05:48] <gnomefreak> well that sucks. i fixed X but still have 5 TTY's running
[05:51]  * gnomefreak really hates working on mozilla-devscripts anyone feel like adding and changing some code?
[05:52] <gnomefreak> updates finish i have to restart and fix X again
[06:00] <gnomefreak> micahg: do you use gwibber by chance?
[06:00] <micahg> no sorry
[06:00] <gnomefreak> micahg: ah its all good i cant wait for asac in morning
[06:46] <indus> hi team
[06:46] <indus> any ideas why ff 3.5 in repos final still says shiretoko and the menu entry says beta?
[07:52] <micahg1> indus: what do you mean menu says beta?
[08:13] <kaushal> hi
[08:13] <kaushal> when is the official release of Firefox 3.5 will be released in Ubuntu Hardy ?
[08:14] <micahg> kaushal: you're best shot of getting an answer is probably after noon UTC
[08:27] <stefanlsd> does FF3.5 require xulrunner-1.9.1 ?
[08:29] <micahg> yes
[09:53] <indus> hello ya menu entry mouseover says beta
[09:54] <indus> ff 3.5
[09:55] <indus> yesterday evening i got final version but it still says shiretoko
[09:56] <indus> but it took me to the welcome page  ' you have been upgraded to 3.5
[09:56] <indus> anyone?
[10:03] <eagles0513875> morning asac
[10:03] <eagles0513875> the bug i posted someone posted a syslog already ill post the 2 dmesg errors i get
[10:07] <asac> eagles0513875: taht doesnt help
[10:07] <asac> i mean i dont need syslog from someone who possibly might see a different issue
[10:07] <eagles0513875> it needs to be my syslog
[10:07] <asac> well. if its your bug then yes
[10:07] <eagles0513875> gotcha will duplicate it a bit later once i finish what im working on at the moment
[10:07] <asac> i will ignore the logs from other folks that think thy see the same problem
[10:08] <asac> k
[10:37] <indus> can anyone comment?
[10:37] <indus> yesterday evening i got final version ff 3.5  but it still says shiretoko
[10:38] <asac> indus: thats all ok
[10:38] <asac> no official branding in jaunty
[10:39] <asac> we only brand our default browser officially
[10:39] <asac> also we explicitly want both to be installable side by side
[10:39] <indus> asac: ok thank you,but mouse over still says beta
[10:39] <asac> and having same branding would be confusing
[10:39] <asac> indus: where?
[10:39] <indus> asac: in menu
[10:40] <indus> apps>internet>shiretoko
[10:40] <indus> says beta
[10:40] <asac> indus: what does it say exactly?
[10:40] <asac> indus: can you file a bug about the beta thing please
[10:40] <asac> thanks
[10:40] <asac> and give me the bug id ;)
[10:40] <indus> aargh iam at work now but iam 99 % sure firefox web browser beta
[10:41] <asac> k
[10:41] <asac> please file a bug so we can fix and document it (and it doesnt get forgotten)
[10:41] <asac> indus: but its the final version
[10:41] <asac> ;)
[10:41] <asac> be assured
[10:41] <indus> asac:yes i know cos i got redirected to page 'congrats etc'
[10:42] <asac> good
[10:42] <indus> asac: also,is blue logo(old one ) intentional , and 2nd question
[10:42] <asac> 11:38 < asac> no official branding in jaunty
[10:42] <asac> 11:39 < asac> we only brand our default browser officially
[10:42] <asac> 11:39 < asac> also we explicitly want both to be installable side by side
[10:42] <indus> when ff 3.5 is so much better than 3.0,Why keep 3.0 in jaunty
[10:43] <asac> and same branding would make them undistinguishable on your desktop
[10:43] <indus> asac: ya that is true
[10:43] <indus> asac: maybe have blue logo with a big grin saying its faster and better :)
[10:43] <asac> its our promise to not just upgrade to new upstream version in stable updates
[10:44] <asac> there are lots of improvements
[10:44] <asac> but there are surely regressions and some extensions might not be compatible yet etc.
[10:44] <indus> asac: ok i guess thats another topic for discussion so ill leave it for now
[10:44] <asac> so users that install a stable ubuntu release dont expect that suddenly in the morning stuff starts to break that worked before
[10:44] <indus> asac: shall i file the bug in launchpad now?
[10:44] <asac> indus: for the "beta" in tooltip, yes.
[10:45] <indus> asac: i think ill wait because i didnt restart my PC after that, and the menu entries do misbehave sometimes
[10:45] <asac> yeah
[10:45] <indus> asac: ill file in evening once i get home and check
[10:45] <asac> indus: dont need to wait
[10:45] <asac> its a bug
[10:46] <asac> just file it
[10:46] <asac> and give us bug id ;)
[10:46] <asac> i verified that in code
[10:46] <indus> asac: aah cool ok
[10:46] <indus> asac: i go file now brb
[10:53] <indus> ok done
[10:54] <indus> asac: #396460
[10:55] <indus> asac: please assign to correct package etc iam bad at that still
[10:57] <asac> bug #396460
[10:58] <indus> asac: how do i fix this bug
[10:59] <asac> indus: no need to i assigned it to me so it will get eventually fixed
[11:00] <indus> asac: just want to know the process so i can fix bugs
[11:00] <indus> asac:bug  #396460
[11:01] <indus> updated description
[11:01] <indus> hmm i did i aswear
[11:02] <indus> asac: cant i change the bug description?
[11:04] <indus> dont
[11:04] <indus> done
[11:04] <indus> ok cu laters
[11:28] <asac> http://www.asoftsite.org/s9y/archives/161-FAQ-Why-is-my-firefox-3.5-still-called-Shiretoko.html
[11:39] <kaushal> hi again
[11:39] <kaushal> reposting my query again
[11:39] <kaushal> when is the official release of Firefox 3.5 will be released in Ubuntu Hardy ?
[11:40] <asac> kaushal: there was never a package called firefox-3.5 in hardy
[11:41] <asac> adding packages to stable releases is far out of ubuntu policies
[11:41] <asac> kaushal: if you are asking about where we provide backports, thats not understood yet.
[11:41] <asac> fta2: there?
[11:42] <fta2> asac, yes
[11:42] <asac> kaushal: we have 3.5 dailies ... those should be pretty stable
[11:42] <asac> fta2: so where can i upload the backports to? do we want to create a subppa for mozillateam? or go to webtech ... or what ;)?
[11:42]  * asac wants to stick his head in the sand :)
[11:43] <kaushal> asac: i did not understand about 3.5 dailies
[11:43] <kaushal> what does that mean ?
[11:43] <asac> kaushal: https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-daily/+archive/ppa
[11:43] <asac> thats the ppa where you get dailies of firefox 3.5
[11:43] <asac> now that 3.5 is final
[11:43] <asac> it should be more or less stable
[11:43] <asac> but of course its not _stable_ in the sense that only QAed stuff gets released there
[11:44] <kaushal> asac: so it would be backported in hardy about 2-3 weeks
[11:44] <kaushal> ?
[11:45] <asac> kaushal: where do you read 2-3 weeks?
[11:45] <kaushal> ah just a wild guess
[11:45] <asac> well. if we can agree on a place to put that, it can happen withing a few minutes
[11:46] <kaushal> cool
[11:46] <asac> but agreeing on a place is kind of hard atm  ;)
[11:46] <kaushal> :)
[11:48] <kaushal> so fta2 is the final authority :-)
[11:50] <fta2> asac, i'm not sure. we need to talk to the lp guys see if we can hae a redirect, then re-organize everything, it's a mess at the moment
[11:50] <asac> yeah let me do that now
[11:52] <asac> asked
[11:53] <fta2> where?
[11:53] <asac> i sent some msg
[11:53] <asac> fta2: hmm i think hardy apt didnt support redirects
[11:53] <asac> lets hope it was fixed in hardy
[11:54] <asac> i remember something surrouding hardy
[12:14] <gnomefreak> who knows python tuples? im confused
[12:18] <asac> what do you wnt to know?
[12:19] <gnomefreak> tuples are mutable and immutabple however the values can not be changed at all you would have to change the varible
[12:19] <gnomefreak> how can it be mutable in that case
[12:21] <gnomefreak> tuble ecample (missing some chars) fun = happy happy can not be changed you have to change fun to change happy
[12:30] <gnomefreak> btw 3.5 is broken
[12:33] <gnomefreak> i take that back ubufox is broken
[12:37] <asac> gnomefreak: i have the fix committed for ubufox
[12:37] <asac> next uplaod will fix it
[12:37] <asac> current version has maxVCersion 3.0
[12:41] <gnomefreak> asac: thanks. new max version is? 3.5 or 3.6
[12:48] <asac> fta2: are you ok with me uploading devscripts to debian and keeping ubuntu mozillateam as maintaier?
[12:48] <asac> or should i create a branch and change maintainer there?
[12:48] <asac> (we probably would need to have ubuntuX version then etc.)
[12:50] <asac> fta2: you want anything in 0.13 still?
[12:50] <asac> fta2: otherwise i would upload that to debian now i guess
[12:51] <gnomefreak> ok what the hell was that
[12:51]  * gnomefreak thinks of installing something else :( gdm restarted while i was checking email :(
[12:52] <asac> gnomefreak: thats a bug happeneing when you dist-upgrade
[12:52] <asac> gnomefreak: there was a mail about that yesterday
[12:52] <asac> that you made fun off
[12:52] <asac> remember ;)?
[12:52] <gnomefreak> i wwasnt running updates
[12:52] <asac> maybe you have automatic updates enabled?
[12:52] <gnomefreak> i made fun of it?
[12:52] <asac> otherwise something crashed ;)
[12:52] <gnomefreak> nope not me
[12:53] <gnomefreak> gdm crashed is my best guess
[12:53] <asac> 19:41 < gnomefreak> lol @ next gdm will break system. mines already frigging broke
[12:53] <asac> 19:42 < gnomefreak> what could happen to it now
[12:53] <gnomefreak> all i did was hit enter while writing email
[12:53] <gnomefreak> ok i remember that i guess i found out what else could happen
[12:54] <gnomefreak> sadly pitti said we cant fix it
[12:54] <gnomefreak> im guessing Xubuntu is broken as well since it uses gdm
[12:54] <gnomefreak> ls /var/crash
[12:55] <gnomefreak> damn
[12:55] <gnomefreak> noting in /var/crash
[12:55] <asac> gnomefreak: he said you should go to terminal
[12:55] <asac> and update
[12:55] <asac> there
[12:55] <asac> then all is fine
[12:55] <gnomefreak> i tlaked to pitti last night about gdm
[12:55] <gnomefreak> asac: i already have ubuntu3
[12:56] <asac> then all is good
[12:56] <gnomefreak> im still missing the open apps in lower panel system beep sound ect...
[12:57] <asac> well. i have lots of sound nowadays
[12:57] <asac> seems libcanberra took over the world ;)
[12:57] <asac> now i get annoying errors sometimes like in old windows days ;)
[12:57] <asac> *boing* boing boing
[12:58] <gnomefreak> :)
[12:58] <gnomefreak> i hate the new sign in crap when gnome loads
[12:58] <gnomefreak> and it wont save it (only error i get)
[12:59] <gnomefreak> doing updates again to see if maybe there is a ubuntu6
[12:59] <gnomefreak> ubuntu4 even
[12:59] <gnomefreak> yep another gdm update
[13:00] <gnomefreak> and libcanberra updates
[13:01] <kaushal> asac: i would be eagerly waiting for Firefox 3.5 in Hardy for another 2 or 3 days
[13:01] <kaushal> :)
[13:01] <kaushal> since Firefox 3.5 is very fast
[13:02] <gnomefreak> thanks for reminding me. that is the email i was writing when gdm died
[13:02] <asac> kaushal: so the dailies are no option for you to get it now?
[13:02] <gnomefreak> asac: how about we move 3.5 to mozilla PPA for hardy -> intrepid since 3.5 is in jaunty already.
[13:02] <gnomefreak> asac: dailys have 3.5.1
[13:02] <kaushal> asac: you said its not recommended
[13:03] <gnomefreak> i dont think 3.5 is there anymore
[13:03] <asac> kaushal: yeah. maybe you are right. if you look for LTS experience, its probably not the right choice ;)
[13:03]  * gnomefreak guesses i dont have to comment on that bug :) thanks
[13:03] <asac> we are probably too bleeding edge in this team ;)
[13:04] <asac> most run 3.6 (trunk) daily here ... and it usually doesnt break for me
[13:04] <kaushal> asac: Let me know when it is ready in Hardy :)
[13:04] <gnomefreak> asac: if i get time i will spin them for stable PPA but i want to get on SM2 and m-d
[13:04] <asac> fta2: bug 396488 came out of it
[13:04] <asac> fta2: as a mid-long term solution
[13:04] <gnomefreak> oh yeah
[13:05] <gnomefreak> good i dont have to worry about it than :)
[13:05]  * asac prods to get medium importance at least
[13:06] <gnomefreak> kaushal: please telll me you are Heinz
[13:07] <gnomefreak> asac: did you push final 3.5 to Jaunty?
[13:08] <gnomefreak> !info firefox-3.5 jaunty
[13:09] <asac> gnomefreak: yes
[13:10] <gnomefreak> i just read it was b4 but as you see above its final :) so i let them know
[13:12] <gnomefreak> ah revo434 is why they may thinks its still beta
[13:16] <stefanlsd> asac: when we uploaded gears, you mentioned we should build it against xulrunner-dev and not xulrunner-1.9.1-dev.  For FF 3.5, looks like we need 1.9.1, ok that we build against xulrunner-1.9.1-dev?
[13:16] <gnomefreak> we kind of have to
[13:17] <gnomefreak> atleast for Karmic
[13:17] <gnomefreak> is gears working now?
[13:18] <stefanlsd> mm. oki. will do that for now
[13:20] <asac> stefanlsd: so the .xpi doesnt work with 3.5?
[13:20] <asac> what are they doing different during build?
[13:21] <kaushal> gnomefreak: what does that mean ?
[13:21] <stefanlsd> asac: xpi doesnt work with 3.5.   there is some new code upstream in svn that makes it work.   so i was going to update version. not sure what they are doing different. i know gecko 1.9.1 is there...
[13:21] <gnomefreak> asac: are you planning on playing with m-d again (after adding yourself as uploader
[13:21] <gnomefreak> )
[13:22] <asac> stefanlsd: can you find the code that makes it work?
[13:22] <asac> gnomefreak: i am planning to upload it to debian
[13:22] <asac> (for quite some time)
[13:22] <asac> debian bug 528225
[13:23] <asac> err
[13:23] <stefanlsd> asac: i could get a diff between the svn versions, but i suspect its lots of changes
[13:23] <asac> if i go there the bug title is different
[13:23] <asac> isnt it?
[13:23] <asac> stefanlsd: so the branch now doesnt support 3.0 at all
[13:23] <asac> ?
[13:24] <asac> or are there some build mechanisms that make it work if build for 3.0?
[13:25] <gnomefreak> stefanlsd: try adding 3.5 to install.rdf see if you can bypass the xulrunner-dev
[13:25] <gnomefreak> !info flashplugin-installer jaunty
[13:25] <fta2> asac, feel free to upload m-d to debian
[13:29] <stefanlsd> gnomefreak: that doesnt work.
[13:29] <stefanlsd> asac: im checking if the 1.9.1 xpi works on 3.0
[13:30] <stefanlsd> seems like it doesnt tho...
[13:30] <asac> stefanlsd: that wont work i am sure
[13:30] <asac> yeah
[13:30] <asac> the glue is not backwrard compatible
[13:30] <asac> but the 3.0 glue should work with 3.5
[13:30] <asac> thats why i am curious what was changed
[13:30] <asac> most things can be done in a way that they work on both
[13:30] <asac> e.g. like different chrome
[13:31] <asac> stefanlsd: what happens if you try 1.9.0 xpi in 3.5?
[13:31] <stefanlsd> asac: http://code.google.com/p/gears/source/detail?r=3369    - that the diff where they 'added' 3.5 support
[13:33] <fta2> asac, why mirror instead of redirect?
[13:33] <asac> fta2: because mirror is easier to do in lp
[13:33] <asac> just a link
[13:33] <asac> on filesystem
[13:33] <gnomefreak> anyone using 3.0.11 can you please let me know if you see the pics on this site http://www.ortuzek.hu/ajanlo
[13:33] <stefanlsd> 71
[13:33] <stefanlsd>  	
[13:33] <stefanlsd>  	-
[13:33] <stefanlsd>  
[13:33] <stefanlsd>  
[13:33] <stefanlsd>  	        <em:maxVersion>3.0.*</em:maxVersion>
[13:33] <stefanlsd>  
[13:33] <asac> fta2: also apt doesnt support redirects until _jaunty_
[13:33] <stefanlsd>  
[13:34] <stefanlsd>  
[13:34] <asac> didnt
[13:34] <stefanlsd>  
[13:34] <stefanlsd>  
[13:34] <asac> stefanlsd: whats that?
[13:34] <stefanlsd>  
[13:34] <stefanlsd>  
[13:34] <asac> i cant read what you write ;)
[13:34] <stefanlsd>  
[13:34] <stefanlsd>  	71
[13:34] <stefanlsd>  	+
[13:34] <gnomefreak> stefanlsd: change maxversion to use 3.5
[13:34] <stefanlsd>  
[13:34] <stefanlsd>  
[13:34] <stefanlsd>  
[13:34] <stefanlsd>  
[13:34] <stefanlsd>  	        <em:maxVersion>3.5</em:maxVersion>
[13:34] <stefanlsd> bleh. ooops. sorry
[13:34] <stefanlsd> they break it themself in the install.rdf
[13:34] <gnomefreak> asac: looks like maxversion from install.rdf
[13:34] <asac> please PASTE :-P
[13:34] <asac> gnomefreak: thtas not the  problem
[13:34] <gnomefreak> pastebin it
[13:34] <asac> the problem is that they just exit
[13:34] <stefanlsd> nodnod
[13:35] <asac> stefanlsd: can you try to /trunk/gears/base/firefox/module.cc
[13:35] <asac> change that so it accepts both: 3.5, 3.0
[13:35] <gnomefreak> asac: thanks for tbird fix
[13:35] <asac> stefanlsd: e.g. not the #iof else things
[13:35] <asac> stefanlsd: then build for 3.0
[13:35] <asac> i would think it should work after fixing install.rdf maxversion
[13:35] <asac> with that change
[13:36] <stefanlsd> asac: ok. will give it a shot
[13:36] <asac> at least if that commit is really the only commit they needed
[13:45]  * gnomefreak smoke
[13:49] <asac> fta2: want me to sponsor or own this upload?
[13:50] <fta2> asac, well, sponsor if possible. i guess you need nothing from me, right?
[13:52] <gnomefreak> asac: did you want me to push sm changes to mozilla...dev branch or will you grab it from my branch than merge. Also did you want me to spin for jaunty and below?
[13:52] <asac> fta2: need?
[13:53] <asac> gnomefreak: i will merge it before upload
[13:53] <fta2> asac, i mean, everything is in the branch, no need for me to give you a debdiff/diff.gz or whatever
[13:54] <asac> fta2: no. i can just upload whats in the branch. i closed the branch now, maybe check
[13:55] <gnomefreak> asac: fta2 what are the chances or just changing the location link in m-d to grab 2.0 instead of 2.1?
[13:55] <asac> oh wait
[13:55] <asac> your uploaders mail should be the one you use for changelog
[13:56] <asac> done
[13:57] <asac> rev 201
[13:58] <asac> 202
[13:59] <asac> fta2: please check. the bits are ready for upload otherwise
[13:59] <asac> ok out for a few minutes
[14:00] <gnomefreak> in seamonkei-2.0.conf http://pastebin.mozilla.org/661268 changing http://hg.mozilla.org/index.cgi/comm-central/log 2 to new location for 2.0
[14:00] <gnomefreak> seamonkey-2.0.conf
[14:03] <bdrung> asac: is there any bugreport for firefox-3.5 incompatible plugins?
[14:05] <fta2> asac, looks ok
[14:05] <gnomefreak> stefanlsd: is that latest version of gears?
[14:05] <gnomefreak> that maybe wrong thing to change it looks fairly generic
[14:06] <stefanlsd> gnomefreak: yeah. thats pretty much the tip
[14:06] <gnomefreak> i dont get it. it looks like it should grab 2.0 not 2.1
[14:06] <gnomefreak> stefanlsd: just checking
[14:08] <gnomefreak> i dont think mozilla can help me with this file :( fta2 do you see anything in the pastebin that catches your eye on why 2.1 is being grabed and not 2.0?
[14:08] <gnomefreak> that is the meat of the file the rest is just comments
[14:11] <gnomefreak> mozclient.pl doesnt have anything of use so it has to be the .conf file that needs updating
[14:12] <asac> fta2: uploaded
[14:12] <asac> http://ftp-master.debian.org/new.html
[14:13] <asac> with some luck there will be a batch soon
[14:13] <asac> ;)
[14:13] <gnomefreak> everything looks right damnit
[14:13] <asac> bdrung: i think we shouldnt rely on bug reports. instead we should make a table on the wiki were we verify them ;)
[14:14] <asac> at least i am likely to miss those reports ;)
[14:15] <gnomefreak> asac: btw flashgot is done ready for review
[14:15] <gnomefreak> ok rules looks good to damnit
[14:19] <bdrung> asac: before we start updating all those plugins, it would be good if mozilla-devscripts can automatically detect the supported versions.
[14:21] <fta2> gnomefreak, they reorganized their stuff upstream. just had a quick glance, it seems sm is still in comm-central (meaning no release branch) but it's now possible to build it with mozilla-central (to create sm 2.1a1pre) or mozilla-1.9.1 (to create sm 2.0b1pre)
[14:22] <gnomefreak> fta2: how would i build it from 2.1
[14:23] <fta2> not sure yet, and I don't really have time right now, i'm at work
[14:23] <gnomefreak> just changing version of tarball wont help im sure
[14:23] <fta2> no
[14:23] <gnomefreak> fta2: thats fine thanks for looking
[14:24] <gnomefreak> where did i come up with b3 :( goes looking
[14:28] <asac> bdrung: thats extensions then (not plugins)
[14:28] <asac> bdrung: yes. and we also should do some improvements wrt to where we install them etc.
[14:28] <asac> also considering the targetApplications etc.
[14:28] <asac> we had some discussion with the debian ext team about that
[14:28] <asac> stay tuned
[14:30]  * gnomefreak likes the idea
[14:30] <asac> bdrung: so ... the new policy is to install extensions in /usr/share/extension-package-name
[14:30] <bdrung> good to know.
[14:30] <asac> and create links to: /usr/share/mozilla/${APPID}/${extension-uuid}
[14:30] <asac> we should make mozilla-devscript do all that automagically
[14:31]  * gnomefreak liking this more nad more
[14:31] <asac> e.g. parse install.rdf for the extension-uuid ... then parse changelog for all targetapplications and create those links
[14:31] <bdrung> automagically... nice word
[14:31] <gnomefreak> asac: for some reason i am remembering some dont have uuid
[14:31] <asac> all have uuid
[14:31] <bdrung> parse changelog for targetapplications? why not install.rdf?
[14:31] <asac> can be either {UUID-...} format or app@domain.tld ;)
[14:32] <asac> bdrung: did i say changelog? installrdf is what i ment
[14:32] <gnomefreak> yeah
[14:32] <asac> (obviously)
[14:33] <asac> if its a native extension it should go to /usr/lib/extension-package-name and /usr/lib/mozilla/${APPID}/${extension-uuid}
[14:38] <fta2> asac, NEWed
[14:39] <asac> fta2: NEWed? you mean they already processed it;)?
[14:39] <asac> or that its in NEW ;)?
[14:39] <asac> http://ftp-master.debian.org/new.html
[14:39] <asac> not yet visible there.
[14:39] <asac> guess needs a batch or something
[14:40] <fta2> well, i received a NEW mail
[14:40] <asac> yeah
[14:40] <asac> the page above is the new queue
[14:40] <asac> which is pretty digested as it seems ;)
[14:40] <asac> i think they do it in 2monthly batches ;)
[14:40] <asac> so with some luck they process it in a week ;)
[14:42] <bdrung> with some luck the package passes NEW before Ubuntu 10.04 ;)
[14:44] <asac> nah ;)
[14:46] <bdrung> my packages waiting there since 3 weeks
[14:47] <asac> that means that you now have to wait 3 weeks less ;)
[14:48] <gnomefreak> and 3 months more ;)
[14:52] <bdrung> the trembe had an end. the packages were also uploaded to ubuntu directly.
[14:53] <bdrung> i have to install ubuntu now
[15:07] <fta2> lol, http://home.kairo.at/blog/2009-06/weekly_status_report_w26_2009 (the last part)
[15:09] <asac> heh
[15:09] <asac> yeah
[15:11] <gnomefreak> when i read that on the mailing list it sounded like a great idea and i stand by that fully
[15:14] <gnomefreak> the browser aspect is the only think i am worried about
[15:15] <gnomefreak> tbirtbird3 doesnt have the names of the person writing the email ( i loved that feature
[15:15] <gnomefreak> )
[15:19] <gnomefreak> is PA still being used?
[15:21]  * gnomefreak just got the new email for m-d
[15:26] <fta2> asac, moved the bot at 1700
[15:27] <asac> nice
[15:27] <asac> i think we could also build at lunchtime
[15:27] <asac> at least if we need another respin there wouldnt be build still queued ;)
[15:27] <asac> which might feel a bit rouge to others waiting for their builds ;)
[15:28] <eagles0513875> asac: getting syslog now for ya
[15:28] <asac> i lost context
[15:28] <asac> ;)
[15:28] <eagles0513875> thanks for your patience with me bro
[15:32] <gnomefreak> eagles0513875: did you still need me?
[15:32] <eagles0513875> just outa curiosity for jaunty were any patches applied to plasma-widget-networkmanager to fix the wpa connection issue that jaunty had
[15:34] <gnomefreak> thats not the same as networkmanager is it? this one is built by KDE guys i thought
[15:36] <eagles0513875> the plasma-widget-network-manager that is the one built by kde guys
[15:36] <eagles0513875> cuz i think there might be a regression but im not sure if any patches were applied to fix the wpa issue that was in jaunty cuz its resurfaced again for me in karmic with a later svn snapshot
[15:37] <asac> eagles0513875: i dont see anything related in the last few uploads: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-widget-network-manager/
[15:37] <eagles0513875> asac: the issue was after jaunty was released
[15:37] <eagles0513875> regarding wpa connection issues
[15:38] <asac> yes i remembered
[15:38] <gnomefreak> well thats a shitty regression
[15:38] <asac> gnomefreak: wpa being broken? ;)
[15:39] <eagles0513875> ya it is
[15:39] <eagles0513875> cuz im able to connect with wicd as well as the gnome network manager
[15:39] <gnomefreak> asac: yeah
[15:39] <gnomefreak> i just lost my fucking tbird profile :(
[15:39] <eagles0513875> im gonna get a syslog as well as the 2 dmesg messages that might hint on the issue
[15:39] <eagles0513875> :(
[15:39] <asac> eagles0513875: do you know where plasma saves the connection information?
[15:40] <eagles0513875> kwallet
[15:40] <eagles0513875> at least the password
[15:40] <asac> eagles0513875: not the password
[15:40] <asac> the rest
[15:40] <asac> ;)
[15:41] <eagles0513875> no i do not
[15:41] <eagles0513875> let me get ya syslog and the 2 messages thta might be of use from dmesg
[15:50] <eagles0513875> asac: you want me to paste whole thing or last chunk where wifi issues start surfacing
[15:52]  * asac has to log out because he lost his window decorations ;)
[15:55] <asac> eagles0513875: i dont know. i would really suggest to file the bug upstream and catch with them
[15:55] <eagles0513875> asac: whats the key commands to copy and paste over ssh using nano
[15:55] <asac> NM has changed its passphrase approach a bit, so maybe thats causing the problems now
[15:55] <eagles0513875> now the 2 messages arent showing up in dmesg either
[15:55] <asac> (though i am not even sure i already uploaded that to karmic)
[15:55] <asac> i dont know nana
[15:55] <asac> nano
[15:56] <eagles0513875> what bout with vi
[15:56] <asac> i never copied out of an editor
[15:56] <asac> use a terminal
[15:56] <eagles0513875> bah im on windows using ssh
[15:56] <asac> scp
[15:56] <asac> thats a terminal then
[15:57] <eagles0513875> but im having trouble copying whats in the syslog#
[15:57] <asac> i havent used windows so long that i cant remember ... isnt there a sftp tool?
[16:01] <eagles0513875> humm ok
[16:03] <eagles0513875> viva kate
[16:03] <gnomefreak> i would use pastebinit not sure if you can from ssh though
[16:04] <eagles0513875> i need to save the file anyway to upload it to launchpad
[16:04] <gnomefreak> saves alot of copy+paste
[16:04] <gnomefreak> oh to Lp i thought paste bin
[16:04] <eagles0513875> im saving the file to this desktop from the laptop using samba
[16:04] <eagles0513875> nooo
[16:04] <eagles0513875> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-widget-network-manager/+bug/396180
[16:04] <gnomefreak> yay now i have nightlies for ubuntuone
[16:04] <eagles0513875> grats
[16:04] <gnomefreak> thanks :)
[16:05] <gnomefreak> i am thinking about reinstalling Karmic maybe it will fix my lower panel bug
[16:05] <eagles0513875> need to try my luck at packaging with kvirc svn snapshot
[16:06] <eagles0513875> from what i have been hearing that the live cd isnt working
[16:06] <gnomefreak> eagles0513875: i heard same but its on 64 bit that i heard
[16:06] <eagles0513875> i normally use 64bit but i upgraded from jaunty
[16:07] <eagles0513875> asac: putting up syslog now
[16:07] <gnomefreak> oh damn yay mounting is working again
[16:08] <eagles0513875> asac: syslog is up if you give me the go ahead ill file it upstream :)
[16:09] <eagles0513875> feel free to take a look as well gnomefreak
[16:09] <gnomefreak> fast-user-switch-applet: Depends: gdm but it is not going to be installed  wtf is apt talking about
[16:09] <eagles0513875> asac: just realized somethign we need someone on 32bit to see if the same issue exists on 32bit with trying to connect to wpa
[16:10] <gnomefreak> fast-user-switch-applet: Depends: gdm but it is not going to be installed
[16:10] <gnomefreak> opps
[16:10]  * eagles0513875 think apt = on crack :P
[16:10] <gnomefreak> gdm:
[16:10] <gnomefreak>   Installed: 2.26.1-0ubuntu4
[16:10]  * gnomefreak wonders if gdm breakage is causing this
[16:11] <eagles0513875> woohoo plasma workspace crashed on me while installing wicd
[16:19] <gnomefreak> where the hell is the login manager now?
[16:19] <gnomefreak> to change login screen and options
[16:21] <eagles0513875> lol your head must be spinning gnomefreak
[16:22] <gnomefreak> eagles0513875: it is, everything is leaving me :( gnome-art used to install it but it doesnt anymore and its not in the admin menu
[16:22] <eagles0513875> im no gnome expert
[16:22] <eagles0513875> gnomefreak: any advice as to my bug should i just upstream it
[16:23] <gnomefreak> eagles0513875: not sure havent looked sorry. also not a newwork guy thank god
[16:23] <eagles0513875> lol
[16:23] <eagles0513875> its ok
[16:23] <eagles0513875> cuz right now its annoying tthough but the older svn snapshot in jaunty works and the current one in karmic is broken
[16:23] <eagles0513875> or there was a regression
[16:27] <gnomefreak> i might be wrong but karmic isnt using newest svn maybe newest svn would help?
[16:28] <gnomefreak> assuming there is one
[16:29] <gnomefreak> to do list: fix firegpg, fix m-d, update SM2, build SM2.1, backup everything important, maybe reinstall, find loginmanager. anything im forgetting?
[16:29] <eagles0513875> im sure there is for the plasma-widget-network-manager
[16:29] <gnomefreak> get someone to review and upload flashgot
[16:30] <eagles0513875> gnomefreak: rebuild everything :P
[16:30]  * gnomefreak done with important build (SM1.1.17)
[16:31] <gnomefreak> waiting for a nudge into NEW
[16:32]  * gnomefreak running out of pationce on m-d bull shit
[16:32] <gnomefreak> theres no o in that is there :(
[16:33] <gnomefreak> we should really remove bluetooth crap from default install
[16:33] <gnomefreak> its a mem/proc hog even when you dont use it. cant remove it all either
[16:34] <gnomefreak> if you want bluetooth install it :)
[16:34] <eagles0513875> lol
[16:34] <eagles0513875> how big are the packages and dependencies after install though
[16:34] <gnomefreak> not sure but more than i need
[16:37] <eagles0513875> i have to be honest even from a kubuntu users stand point such as myself i dont really need bluetooth cuz the laptops i have dont have bluetooth built in
[16:40] <asac> gnomefreak: we want to extend our bluetooth features actually
[16:41] <eagles0513875> asac: i uploaded the sys log and am waiting for further advice
[16:44] <gnomefreak> asac: extend it by making a meta package :) there is no way to get rid of bluetooth packages without removing other kind of important packages
[16:44] <gnomefreak> some you can remove
[16:45] <eagles0513875> asac: i think though it shouldnt be installed by default unless for instance it finds a blue tooth card in lets say a laptop cuz for me in certain cases both the laptops i have dont have bluetooth built in
[16:46] <gnomefreak> hm that is odd
[16:46] <eagles0513875> what is gnomefreak
[16:47]  * gnomefreak can package rsync but i still cant figure out how the hell to use it for simple actions like downloading and updating downloads
[16:47] <asac> i think the solution is to start bluetoothd through udev
[16:47] <asac> which afaik is currently planned
[16:47] <asac> so its installed, but wont be running if you dont have bt devices
[16:47] <gnomefreak> eagles0513875: i typed something andf it didnt show up or error command in status window
[16:47] <eagles0513875> :)
[16:47] <eagles0513875> hehe
[16:47] <gnomefreak> asac: that is much nicer :)
[16:48] <gnomefreak> i have it disabled in start up however it still runs
[16:49] <eagles0513875> hehe
[16:49] <eagles0513875> asac: im gonna go ahead and upstream the bug :)
[16:49] <gnomefreak> i guess im going to cook and eat lunch now since i have time to waste while tar is going it only has 3 gigs or so to compress
[16:50] <eagles0513875> nice gnome
[16:50] <eagles0513875> wish i could help ya out on this monster of a win machine im on
[16:51] <fta2> asac, https://edge.launchpad.net/builders/ :(
[16:53] <asac> eagles0513875: i uploaded a new snapshot to the NM ppa
[16:54] <asac> you can try it once its built
[16:54] <eagles0513875> ok keep me posted plz :)
[16:55] <eagles0513875> asac: also running the git source of lmms which seems to not be starting it core keeps dumping
[16:56] <fta2> "once its built", lol, 6 hours
[16:56] <fta2> or more, at this rate
[16:56] <asac> eagles0513875: no ... you try once the built has finished
[16:56] <asac> i cannot really keep you updated all the time
[16:56] <asac> http://launchpad.net/~network-manager/+archive
[16:56] <eagles0513875> ok ty
[16:56] <asac> thats where the build will become available
[16:57] <asac> http://launchpad.net/builders
[16:57] <asac> huge backlog
[16:57] <asac> so will take half of a day i guess
[16:57] <eagles0513875> ok
[16:57] <eagles0513875> i have a solution while i wait to get wifi to work
[17:01] <asac> http://identi.ca/notice/6160982
[17:01] <asac> dtchen: ^^
[17:01] <asac> fta2: ^^
[17:01] <asac> dtchen: unping
[17:03] <asac> eagles0513875: sudo apt-get install build-essential fakeroot devscripts; sudo apt-get build-dep plasma-widget-network-manager; dget https://edge.launchpad.net/~network-manager/+archive/ppa/+files/plasma-widget-network-manager_0.0+svn992686~asac-0ubuntu1~nm1.dsc; dpkg-source -x p*.dsc; cd pla*-*/; dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b
[17:03] <asac> cd ..
[17:03] <asac> sudo dpkg -i *.deb
[17:03] <asac> to build it on your own and install it
[17:03] <eagles0513875> ?
[17:03] <asac> go in a empty directory first ;)
[17:03] <eagles0513875> hehe you lost me there for a sec lol
[17:04] <asac> its just copy paste
[17:04] <eagles0513875> asac: to install the widget form source all that wright
[17:04] <asac> yeah
[17:05] <fta2> asac, i know, i graph them
[17:05] <fta2> asac, http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/ppa-builders.png
[17:06] <eagles0513875> ty asac
[17:06]  * fta2 should use R
[17:07] <asac> fta2: you also need a  queue/builders line
[17:09] <fta2> i have it in another graph
[17:10] <fta2> but i'm tired of manually generating them, hence R
[17:10] <fta2> there was a talk at UDS, remember?
[17:10] <asac> about builders metrics?
[17:17] <fta2> no, statistical data analysis, or something like that
[17:18] <asac> i guess it will fail
[17:18] <asac> bummer i hat kde build systems ;)
[17:25] <fta2> asac, http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/ppa-builders2.png
[18:05] <asac> seems a few have really replied to my FAQ about branding explaining to me why its not yet branded ;)
[18:15] <Loki> Hey, I had a quick question, I uninstalled the 3.5.1 package from the PPA, but for some reason when I load the applcation I get a blank X window and it isn't loading for some reason
[18:22] <asac> Loki: you uninstalled?
[18:22] <asac> or downgraded?
[18:22] <Loki> application*
[18:23] <asac> i dont get your question, sorry. maybe rephrase
[18:24] <Loki> Okay, I will rephrase it. I am installing FF 3.5.1 from the ppa to replace/supplement the main install of 3.0, and for some reason when I try to open the 3.5 installation I get a blank X window
[18:25] <Loki> and not a browser window, so I am confused on why, and was hoping for ideas
[18:26] <asac> Loki: try with a fresh profile first
[18:26] <asac> e.g. move $HOME/.mozilla directory to a save place
[18:26] <asac> and start
[18:26] <Loki> did that
[18:26] <asac> ensure that no firefox 3.5 is running
[18:26] <Loki> still did the same issue
[18:26] <Loki> Alright let me make sure no others are running
[18:26] <asac> start it using strace -f -eopen firefox-3.5 2>&1  > /tmp/ffox.log.txt and post that log file after reproducing
[18:27] <asac> Loki: yeah. first check that nothing is runing
[18:27] <asac> then move your .mozilla away and try
[18:27] <Loki> no other FF-3.5 is running
[18:27] <asac> Loki: try to also close the other firefox
[18:28] <asac> before starting it for first time
[18:30] <Loki> all that was in the txt file was *NOTICE* No previous firefox profile found, starting with a fresh one
[18:30] <Loki> and still got a blank X window
[18:31] <asac> ok
[18:31] <asac> Loki: so start it using -safe-moed
[18:31] <asac> -safe-mode
[18:31] <asac> firefox-3.5 -safe-mode
[18:31] <asac> if that doesnt help, go with plan B i gave you above (strace ...)
[18:32] <Loki> That was with strace
[18:32] <asac> Loki: read what i wrote
[18:32] <asac> the whole line
[18:33] <Loki> the log file ONLY had, the profile line in it
[18:34] <asac> well try again then
[18:34] <micahg> asac: it turns out the HTML5 video thingy was because of the user agent
[18:35] <asac> hmm
[18:35] <asac> Loki: the command was wrong
[18:35] <asac> Loki: try &> /tmp/...
[18:35] <asac> instead of the whole 2>&1 thing
[18:39] <Loki> asac: pastebinning it
[18:46] <Loki> http://pastebin.com/d1493c726
[18:54] <asac> Loki: cant see something obvious.  maybe with -eopen gives more hints if you can get that paste binned
[19:00] <Loki> asac: http://pastebin.com/d5e0fa3ca
[19:15] <NCommander> asac, ping?
[19:17] <NCommander> or fta ping
[19:17] <Loki> asac: it is only 2 lines differnce, but seems to be the same
[19:17] <NCommander> I have a changeset for icedove to fix it on armel (merge of ubuntu patches, it works)
[19:21] <debfx> is it a known bug that it's not possible to select the default theme in ff 3.5?
[19:23] <Loki> debfx: do you think that is the issue in my case?
[19:24] <asac> Loki: withjout -eopen it should be really a lot of more lines
[19:24] <asac> like 10 times as much
[19:25] <asac> debfx: no thats not known. i am using the default theme for instance
[19:25] <asac> NCommander: whats up?
[19:25] <debfx> Loki: no, that's unrelated to your issue
[19:25] <NCommander> asac, its the same changes we made for TB2 in Ubuntu for icedove
[19:26] <debfx> asac: when you install another theme, it's not possible to switch back to default
[19:26] <asac> i know
[19:26] <Loki> asac: ah one moment
[19:26] <NCommander> asac, I'm uploading a branch to LP, and submitting a merge proposal, care to look it over? :-)
[19:26] <NCommander> asac, (I can also upload to Debian if you wish ...)
[19:27] <asac> debfx: works for me
[19:27] <asac> installed macOSX theme
[19:27] <asac> (the one suggested when i search for "theme" in the addons -> get extensions tab
[19:27] <asac> )
[19:27] <asac> NCommander: no just the branch is what we want
[19:27] <asac> NCommander: use the version you prepare in the branch name ;)
[19:27] <asac> but what am i telling you that ;)
[19:28]  * NCommander kicks his ARM box
[19:28] <NCommander> Ugh, its like its having a mini-seizure :-/
[19:33] <Loki> asac: http://colobus.isomerica.net/~loki/ff.txt pastebin crashed when i pasted it
[19:45] <fta> asac, i guess you're aware of FIREFOX_3_0_12_BUILD1
[19:49] <debfx> asac: I tested it on jaunty and karmic, maybe related to kde?
[19:51] <asac> fta: yes
[19:56] <asac> debfx: i have no ideas based on this. i would suggest that you file a bug using ubuntu-bug firefox-3.5 command
[19:56] <asac> and then wait
[19:56] <asac> Loki: ^^
[19:56] <asac> debfx: could be KDE .. but more likely related to some other extension/theme you have installed
[19:57] <asac> Loki: most likely we will get more bugs oin this
[19:57] <asac> Loki: do you have network? e.g. a "lo" device at least?
[19:57] <debfx> tested it on a fresh profile
[19:57] <asac> why is your host named like it is (karma...)
[19:58] <asac> debfx: did you try a different theme at least
[19:58] <asac> i mean it could be the theme that you use that borks this
[19:59] <Loki> asac: yes, i have eth0, lo, sixxs
[19:59] <debfx> asac: yeah I used different themes, on a fresh profile it doesn't even show the Theme tab in the add-ons window
[19:59] <Loki> asac: and karma is the server name, and local.wolfnix.net is the domain I have established off of mine for my home network
[20:00] <asac> Loki: thought you only get white window
[20:00] <Loki> asac: I do.
[20:00] <asac> Loki: how can you navigate to any site
[20:00] <Loki> asac: firefox 3.0, and another install of a browser
[20:01] <asac> Loki: but you start with a fresh profile
[20:01] <Loki> asac: yes
[20:01] <asac> there is no reason why firefox-3.5 would go to a site if you start with a fresh profile
[20:01] <Loki> It didn't go to a site?
[20:01] <Loki> karma, is my hostname
[20:02] <asac> so you automatically update your name through dns?
[20:02] <Loki> 6 Townsend West
[20:03] <Loki> what do you mean?
[20:04] <asac> yeah. so file a bug using ubuntu-bug firefox-3.5 command and let me think. maybe i get an idea when i next look at it.
[20:04] <asac> its odd ... dont see any obvious
[20:04] <asac> could be that you have a bad driver
[20:05] <asac> but thats unlikely - even though we had really weird bugs
[20:05] <Loki> Does it matter I had 3.5b4 installed before this?
[20:05] <asac> no
[20:05] <asac> shouldnt
[20:05] <asac> it might matter if you tried to install manually something at some point
[20:05] <asac> but i dont think thats the case for you now
[20:05] <Loki> Nope, it isn't
[20:05] <Loki> For browsers o dpm
[20:06] <asac> maybe you also dont have xulrunner-1.9.1 updated to latests?
[20:06] <Loki> I don't install by hand
[20:06] <asac> check which version you got from it
[20:06] <asac> seems to be ok though
[20:07] <asac> thats why its odd
[20:07] <Loki> ii  xulrunner-1.9.1                        1.9.1.1~hg20090706r26039+nobinonly-0ub XUL + XPCOM application runner
[20:08] <Loki> ii  firefox-3.5                            3.5.1~hg20090706r26039+nobinonly-0ubun safe and easy web browser from Mozilla
[20:09] <asac> when was the last build that worked?
[20:10] <Loki> 3.5~b4~hg20090330r24021+nobinonly-0ubuntu1 (/var/lib/apt/lists/us.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_jaunty_universe_binary-i386_Packages)
[20:10] <asac> Loki: you directly upgraded to ppa?
[20:10] <asac> Loki: does downgrading fix it? (both packages=
[20:10] <Loki> No upgraded to ubuntu's 3.5+nobinonly-0ubuntu0.9.04.1
[20:11] <Loki> That is when i started to get the errors, and then switched to the PPA to try to fix it, still got the same issues
[20:12] <Loki> How do I specifcally install 3.5~b4?
[20:12] <asac> Loki: apt-get install packagename=package-version packagename2=package-version2 packagename3=package-version3
[20:13] <asac> the version is on https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.5
[20:13] <asac> and
[20:13] <asac> the version is on https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xulrunner-1.9.1
[20:22] <Loki> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[20:22] <Loki>   firefox-3.5: Depends: firefox-3.5-branding but it is not going to be installed or
[20:22] <Loki>                         abrowser-3.5-branding but it is not going to be installed
[20:22] <NCommander> asac, merge request filed
[20:23] <NCommander> (LP was being slow)
[20:23] <Loki> fix installing.
[20:23] <Loki> WTF
[20:25] <Loki> asac: the downgraded verison did work
[20:26] <asac> that sounds scary
[20:27] <Loki> I have a question
[20:27] <Loki> I moved my .mozilla to .mozilla.backup
[20:27] <Loki> WHY is it loading it?
[20:28] <NCommander> asac, https://code.launchpad.net/~mcasadevall/thunderbird/icedove-2.0.0.22-2/+merge/8334 - whenever you get a chance, no rush
[20:29] <asac> sure
[20:32] <Loki> asac: why is it loading a mozilla.backup
[20:32] <Loki> :|}
[20:32] <Loki> :|
[20:32] <Loki> Because once i moved it FROM .backup
[20:32] <Loki> it worked...
[20:33] <asac> heh
[20:33] <asac> so it was profile?
[20:33] <asac> i guess you didnt properly stop a running firefox
[20:33] <asac> thats still my bet
[20:33] <Loki> There was no firefoxs running
[20:34] <Loki> for some reason it was loading a profile from ~/.mozilla.backup/
[20:35] <asac> guess a bug in the migration script
[20:35] <asac> fta: ^^
[20:35] <Loki> well after i moved it away from .backup
[20:35] <Loki> it disbaled 3 things
[20:35] <asac> maybe the migrator copies from .backup?
[20:35] <fta> asac, ?
[20:35] <Loki> a old xul, firefox3.0 and ubuntu3.0 branding
[20:36] <asac> no migrator script is ok
[20:36] <fta> it's not looking for ~/.mozilla* but for ~/.mozilla/firefox-3.*
[20:36] <asac> i still think you didnt properly stop all processed
[20:36] <asac> fta: right
[20:37] <asac> fta: i was just told that my card should work with compiz and should be fast ;)
[20:37] <asac> lol
[20:37] <Loki> Well I moved .mozilla to .mozilla.backup it is beside methat it loaded
[20:38] <asac> Loki: yes. but running processes will not see that move
[20:38] <asac> as open files keep the same fd if you move on same partition
[20:38] <asac> anyway
[20:38] <asac> its your profile. some bogus extension
[20:38] <Loki> but there was no processes running, I made sure o.o
[20:39] <Loki> Anyways, it is working now
[20:41] <Loki> and whats odd asac, is i copied the profile back, after stopping all of the processes, it ran fine
[20:41] <Loki> :|
[20:41] <Loki> Anyways, it works now ^^ which is good.
[20:42] <gnomefreak> this is really turning into a frigging nightmare
[20:43] <asac> gnomefreak: dont be desparate
[20:43] <asac> all will be fine ;)
[20:45] <gnomefreak> this is _not_ funny damnit
[20:45] <micahg> what's wrong gnomefreak?
[20:45] <gnomefreak> so not funny. asac fix this shit
[20:46] <gnomefreak> micahg: gdm crashed while copying over an .iso and a 2gig backup when i hit enter after typing in here
[20:46]  * gnomefreak really tired of this
[20:46] <micahg> ugh
[20:46] <micahg> on Karmic or Jaunty?
[20:46] <gnomefreak> karmic
[20:47] <micahg> oh
[20:47] <micahg> how many projects is asac trying to maintain?
[20:47] <gnomefreak> once copied over im booting jaunty and burning to dvd the 2gig backup and the 4gig music
[20:47] <gnomefreak> micahg: firefox* tbird*
[20:47] <gnomefreak> n-m and im sure a few other things
[20:47] <gnomefreak> he needs to fix my gdm
[20:48] <gnomefreak> cant but still needs too :)
[20:50] <gnomefreak> ubufox he maintains as well (i would love to take that off his hands it seems fairly easy to maintain)
[20:51] <micahg> speaking of ubufox...
[20:51] <gnomefreak> what about it?
[20:52] <micahg> asac: is there going to be an ubufox upgrade for 3.5?
[20:52] <gnomefreak> already done
[20:52] <micahg> I've been without ubufix for months
[20:52] <micahg> *ubufox
[20:52] <gnomefreak> it has been fixed im guessing just waiting for upload
[20:52] <micahg> I thought he fished it
[20:52] <gnomefreak> we talked about that 10 or so hours ago :)
[20:52] <micahg> *finished it
[20:53]  * micahg was sleeping 10 hours ago
[20:53] <gnomefreak> asac: FFEMTcJ once 3.0 is removed from Karmic how about pushing 3.6 like we did with 3.5 in Jaunty
[20:53] <gnomefreak> wtf is that
[20:53] <gnomefreak> fta2: ^^^
[20:53] <gnomefreak> sorry FFEMTcJ
[20:54] <micahg> 3.0 is being removed from karmic?
[20:54] <gnomefreak> anyone seen reed lately?
[20:54] <gnomefreak> micahg: yep
[20:54] <micahg> I guess it makes sense
[20:54] <micahg> it will be EOL before karmic is
[20:54] <gnomefreak> blueprint is done and assigned as i revall just waiting for it to happen
[20:54] <micahg> I'm assuming 3.5 will move to main as well
[20:54] <gnomefreak> yes
[20:55] <gnomefreak> it will be default browser
[20:56] <gnomefreak> when i left a month ago we had ~15 or so people in this channel. i come back and we have ~44 people what did i miss some kind of free money?
[20:57]  * gnomefreak could really speak to reed, but it will wait
[20:59]  * gnomefreak smoke and pray this finishes before next gdm crash be back
[21:00] <micahg> gnomefreak: why not run Jaunty and Karmic in a VM ffor testing
[21:05] <gnomefreak> micahg: that would make sense and fix my gdm issues. i like the hard way i guess :)
[21:05]  * gnomefreak needs to learn how to do 2 thinkgs with rsync one of these days
[21:05]  * micahg is afraid to run +1 until beta
[21:05] <micahg> in production
[21:06] <gnomefreak> i have 5 installs of Ubuntu on 4 boxes i can afford to run testing on one of them :)
[21:07] <micahg> sure, as long as you don't care what happens to the box :)
[21:08] <gnomefreak> nto really this box is mainly for packaging and testing anything important is used on a stable box. hell i still have feisty on one and breezy on one
[21:10] <gnomefreak> my laptop cant run anything newer than feisty on it, its older than dirt
[21:10] <micahg> really?
[21:10] <micahg> 10+ years?
[21:10] <gnomefreak> yep its a p1 200mhz 128 ram
[21:11] <micahg> ugh
[21:11] <gnomefreak> yes its like a 95 give or take a year
[21:11] <gnomefreak> it has a 40gig HD in it :)
[21:11] <micahg> you could probably runny debian lenny with blackbox or something
[21:11] <micahg> some real light weight window manager
[21:12] <gnomefreak> yeah but honestly its not worth it. i have it only for trilug meetings
[21:12] <gnomefreak> i had fluxbuntu on it for a long time
[21:12] <micahg> fluxbuntu?
[21:13] <gnomefreak> micahg: ubuntu distro with fluxbox as default
[21:13] <micahg> community supported?
[21:13] <gnomefreak> not sure if they are still working on it
[21:14] <gnomefreak> micahg: yeah ubuntu doesnt support it
[21:14] <micahg> ok
[21:14] <gnomefreak> yep it is still being developed
[21:15] <gnomefreak> i just joined the channel and topic has karmic in it
[21:15] <gnomefreak> #fluxbuntu is the channel
[21:16] <gnomefreak> joejaxx was head of the project not sure if he still is oor not
[21:30] <gnomefreak> anyone know who the grub maintainer is for us (or at least the person that works on it most?
[21:30] <gnomefreak> )
[21:39] <micahg> gnomefreak: looks like cjwatson
[21:41] <gnomefreak> micahg: thanks. be back need to boot jaunty for a bit
[22:01] <BUGabundo> ola
[22:01] <fta> gni
[22:05] <BUGabundo> hey fta
[22:17] <BUGabundo> guys John has returned!!!
[22:17] <BUGabundo> WOOT
[22:18] <gnomefreak> ive been here for 2 days
[22:18] <gnomefreak> maybe 3
[22:21] <BUGabundo> no no!!!
[22:21] <BUGabundo> I didn't see you here yesterday
[22:22] <gnomefreak> i updated seamonkey 1.1.17 yesterday
[22:24] <BUGabundo> woot
[22:24] <gnomefreak> be back in a few something isnt right
[22:24] <BUGabundo> ok
[22:24] <fta> asac, who was the guy skilled with themes a few days ago? do you remember?
[22:26] <asac> hmm
[22:26] <asac> themes?
[22:27] <fta> oh, psyke83
[22:27] <asac> ah
[22:27] <fta> he's not here
[22:27] <asac> what was his complaint again?
[22:27] <fta> bug 327863
[22:28] <asac> yeah
[22:28] <asac> right i remember
[22:28] <fta> but i'm looking for someone who can help with this: http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/darkroom.png
[22:28] <gnomefreak> i cant find a way to format a usb stick there used to be a way to do it
[22:28] <fta> GtkStyle->bg[GTK_STATE_SELECTED] is probably not the right choice
[22:29] <gnomefreak> the dark themes need to be fixed all of them
[22:29] <asac> fta: for what?
[22:29] <BUGabundo> gnomefreak: good old DD ?
[22:29] <asac> for the window border?
[22:29] <fta> the orange thing
[22:29] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: DD?
[22:29] <gnomefreak> used to be a gui to do it
[22:30] <BUGabundo> $ sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb1
[22:30] <BUGabundo> gnomefreak: or GPARTED!
[22:30] <asac> fta: you mean the window decoration frame being orange on the top?
[22:30] <fta> yep, the background behind the tabs
[22:31] <asac> i think its wrong, but its been googles choice
[22:31] <asac> ;)
[22:31] <fta> which is light blue by default
[22:31] <fta> well, they want to improve that
[22:31] <asac> what do they want to use instead?
[22:32] <asac> meaning: whats the question ;)?
[22:33] <fta> what should they use instead of GtkStyle->bg[GTK_STATE_SELECTED] to assign a color to that part of the window that looks nice on both clear and dark themes
[22:33] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: thanks
[22:34] <BUGabundo> gnomefreak: you are most welcome
[22:36] <micahg> asac: what to do if anything about the user agent issue with FF3.5 and html5 video
[22:36] <fta> micahg, ?
[22:37] <micahg> shiretoko flags as not FF3.5 on some sites
[22:37] <micahg> then they don't show the HTML5 video
[22:37] <asac> micahg: its a website problem
[22:37] <asac> they shouldnt test for firefox
[22:37] <asac> but for gecko
[22:38] <micahg> so, they should test for Gecko 1.9.1 in the user agent?
[22:39] <fta> they should not use the user agent at all
[22:39] <asac> micahg: they shouldnt test for user agent at all imo
[22:39] <asac> http://www.bluishcoder.co.nz/2009/02/fallback-options-for-html5-video.html
 has a fallback feature
[22:39] <fta> yep, right
[22:40] <micahg> ok, what's my next step in the bug?
[22:40] <asac> fta: i cant tell which color is better. i think they want to do something new and so thats a empirical thing to find out ... maybe they need to use a special style so that themes can adapt to make chrome look proper
[22:40] <micahg> asac: dailymotion was also trying to push people to d/l FF
[22:40] <micahg> to try the HTML5 video
[22:41] <asac> micahg: which bug is it?
[22:41] <asac> its invalid imo
[22:41] <asac> telling them they should complain to the website author
[22:41] <asac> showing them the link from above maybe
[22:41] <micahg> bug 394321
[22:42] <micahg> I"m sure more bugs will come in, that's why I want to figure out what to tell them.  That links a good start
[22:43] <fta> so it doesn't work for debian either
[22:45] <micahg> fta debian doesn't have 3.5 AFAIK
[22:46] <asac> micahg: i invalidated the bug
[22:46] <asac> and posted the problem to the website
[22:46] <asac> feel free to complain through contact form as well ;)
[22:47] <micahg> ok, but I think they were also evangelising for FF3.5, would the fallback allow that as well?
[22:47] <asac> micahg: of course
[22:47] <asac> they can display they same they currently displayed
[22:49] <BUGabundo> I wish debian had icewaeal 3.5 :(
[22:49] <asac> its in experimental i think
[22:49] <asac> or in mikes people.debian.org account
[22:49] <fta> !info iceweasel experimental
[22:49] <asac> http://glandium.org/blog/?p=376
[22:49] <fta> pfff
[22:49] <fta> !info iceweasel sid
[22:50] <BUGabundo> asac: its not!
[22:50] <gnomefreak> fta: the bot doesnt know debian packages
[22:53] <micahg> http://pastebin.com/f54171f86
[22:54] <micahg> asac: I'm adding your comment to my greasemonkey list
[22:56]  * gnomefreak needs greasemonkey scripts (usful ones)
[22:57] <gnomefreak> why do people use karmic and PPA's if they dont know what they are doing :(
[22:57] <fta> because it's koowl
[22:57] <gnomefreak> he has what 9PPA's i think he said
[22:58] <fta> who?
[22:58] <gnomefreak> someone in karmic channel. BUGabundo you have his nick?
[22:58] <gnomefreak> gdm crashed in the middle of it
[22:59] <BUGabundo> eheeh
[22:59] <BUGabundo> I have the log, yes
[22:59] <micahg> gnomefreak: https://launchpad.net/~gm-dev-launchpad/+archive/ppa
[22:59] <gnomefreak> micahg: thanks
[22:59] <BUGabundo> Zorael^2
[23:00] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: good if he asks about PPA's again send him to -ot
[23:01] <gnomefreak>  n20
[23:02] <gnomefreak> please
[23:03] <gnomefreak> sorry locked up again
[23:08] <asac> http://tech.slashdot.org/story/09/07/07/1925254/Is-IE-Usage-Share-Collapsing
[23:15] <BUGabundo> micahg: fta F11 fullscreen fixed :)
[23:21] <fta> asac, almost nothing built more than 7 hours after today's push :(
[23:22] <BUGabundo> btw
[23:22] <BUGabundo> that PIN to 3.5 seems to work
[23:22] <BUGabundo> I didn't got an update
[23:22] <BUGabundo> :))))
[23:22]  * BUGabundo laughs about no PPA builds
[23:22] <gnomefreak> what broken 3.5 update?
[23:23] <BUGabundo> gnomefreak: 3.5 is not broken
[23:23] <BUGabundo> AFAIK
[23:23] <gnomefreak> oh i thought you pinned it due to it being broken
[23:23] <asac> fta: well. atm almost everything on the builders is at least moz daily ;)
[23:24] <BUGabundo> gnomefreak: no.. last night LONG discussion
[23:24] <BUGabundo> I have several PPAs, but I didn't want to have daily 3.5, just 3.6
[23:24] <BUGabundo> so I needed to pin it down to archive
[23:24] <BUGabundo> micahg finally provided me with the correct way
[23:24] <BUGabundo> and fta got himself on a new mess
[23:25] <FFEMTcJ> jetsaredim: thanks for the link
[23:25] <asac> fta: i asked now ... lets see if i get an answer ;)
[23:26] <asac> but i guess he sleeps now
[23:27] <gnomefreak> good since there are no nightly 3.5 builds its now only 3.5.1
[23:27] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: hint !pinning
[23:27]  * gnomefreak hated writing that
[23:27] <fta> 3.5.1 *is* the nightly of the 3.5 branch
[23:27] <gnomefreak> fixing it
[23:28] <fta> asac, eh?
[23:28] <fta> asac, asked what? to whom?
[23:28] <asac> asked what the builders are doing when they are not avail ;)
[23:29] <gnomefreak> fta: sort of. i would have thought it was a security update but its an alpha package so im not sure what version it is
[23:29] <BUGabundo> gnomefreak: $ pastebinit /etc/apt/preferences http://paste.ubuntu.com/212287/
[23:29] <gnomefreak> alot of people or 1 person alot of times is waiting for PPA builders
[23:29] <fta> asac, i guess it's QA stuff. we had many sessions at UDS about that, i guess it's finally happening
[23:30] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: ill likely crash gdm if i try to open it
[23:30] <gnomefreak> at this time
[23:30] <BUGabundo> gnomefreak: eheh
[23:31] <fta> gnomefreak, 3.5.1~ is not an alpha, it's the future minor update of 3.5, no more alpha/beta/rc in the 3.5 branch
[23:31] <gnomefreak> ok must have been something else i was looking at earlier than sorry
[23:31] <fta> as i see it, it's probably the best and safest thing to run
[23:32] <gnomefreak> can we rename it to firefox once 3.0 is removed
[23:32] <gnomefreak> and use official branding
[23:32] <fta> 3.0 will not be removed, but demoted to universe, iirc (asac, correct me if i'm wrong)
[23:32] <gnomefreak> s/and/ /
[23:33] <asac> fta: we hope we can remove it
[23:33] <gnomefreak> dont see why that would be an issue
[23:33] <asac> fta: at end of karmic cycle ffox 3.5 will be at 3.5.3 or .4
[23:33] <fta> about branding, asac is to blame, if it was only me, it would have been done since RC
[23:33] <asac> so that should be stable enough for everyone
[23:34] <gnomefreak> he doesnt want to brand 2
[23:34] <gnomefreak> official anyway
[23:34] <asac> gnomefreak: idea is to brand it officially when we make it the dfault browser
[23:34] <gnomefreak> asac: good
[23:34]  * gnomefreak not so crazy tonight than :)
[23:35] <asac> fta: so yeah. its QA stuff going on
[23:35] <asac> in the back
[23:44] <gnomefreak> do we have all PPA builders busy? everyone keeps saying that they are waiting for PPA builds
[23:49] <andrew_sayers> What's the recommended course of action for people wanting to install FF 3.5 in e.g. Hardy?
[23:54] <fta> gnomefreak: where are they asking that? and which builds do they want? theirs or ours?
[23:57] <BUGabundo> andrew_sayers: to use the mozilla security ppa
[23:58] <BUGabundo> fta on +1, U1, devel
[23:58] <micahg> BUGabundo: I thoguht asac was still working o nthat
[23:58] <BUGabundo> no idea
[23:58] <BUGabundo> I though it was ready
[23:58] <BUGabundo> maybe I'm wrong
[23:58] <BUGabundo> it has happened before :p
[23:58] <andrew_sayers> BUGabundo: Brilliant, thanks.
[23:59] <micahg> andrew_sayers: AFAIK, the team is still trying to determine the best way to distribute it to hardy
[23:59] <gnomefreak> andrew_sayers: use our PPAftthiers ive sen in in motu and ubuntuone