[00:15] fta asac any one noticing huge slow downs on youtube videos on fullscreen? Firefox 3.6, flash 64bits [00:15] works ok on regular size window [00:15] no [00:15] i use 32-bits [00:15] with nspw [00:18] BUGabundo: I'd say check your video driver [00:18] nvidia [00:19] did your last kernel update do anything to video? [00:19] no idea [00:34] Did 3.5 get put into the universe repo today? [00:35] err [00:35] been tehre since for ever [00:37] BUGabundo: the final release [00:38] oh.... forget about it! [00:38] ? [00:39] FFEMTcJ: yes, in Jaunty [00:44] jaunty-security and -updates got it now [00:44] just sudo aptitude install firefox-3.5 ? [00:44] nothing else needed? [00:44] welll [00:45] apt-get update may help ;) [00:45] did that already [00:45] fta: if you havent installed then yes. otherwise apt-get update + upgrade [00:45] sorry [00:45] FFEMTcJ: ^^ [00:45] ahaah [00:46] Thank you for fixing the thunderbird build! :) [00:47] bug 396252 [00:47] Launchpad bug 396252 in firefox-3.5 "Firefox 3.5 (Shiretoko): middle-click on link opens _two_ tabs" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/396252 [00:47] welcome! [00:48] Who fixed it by the way? I am curious now! [00:48] asac: lovelly bug [00:48] but doesn't beat my Fullscreen one [00:49] its still showing up as shiretoko? [00:49] WebcamWonder: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/thunderbird/thunderbird-3.0.head [00:49] FFEMTcJ: thats normal [00:49] FFEMTcJ: we dont change UI in security/stable updates [00:50] o [00:50] and the brading is a top level UI thing [00:50] Ahh, alrighty, thanks a lot :) [00:50] the other reason is that we only have the default browser branded [00:50] in that way we dont have to obey trademark restrictions with the other build [00:50] so it wont have the firefox logo until karmic [00:50] and also we want users to be able to distinguish both builds when they run them next to each other [00:50] right [00:51] we explicitly put effort into allowing hem to be run next to each other [00:51] fta remember the flash grabbing bug? now it only grabs keyboard! mouse works ok! [00:51] how can i make 3.5 default? [00:51] FFEMTcJ: set firefox-3.5 %s in gnome -> preferences -> preferred applications [00:51] that should make it the default for most use cases [00:51] k [00:52] ty [00:53] branding is not important [00:53] ;) [00:53] err [00:53] asac: tell that to the debian guys :) [00:53] we provide that package as a service so ffox addicts can access it most easily ;) the other option is to not provide that package at all [00:53] BUGabundo: branding is not important is basically what they say ;) [00:54] been using debian all day at new 2nd job [00:54] * BUGabundo misses ubuntu [00:54] well. debian isnt that bad [00:54] i used it for ages [00:54] i like the pure gnome desktop ;) [00:54] even if it lacks behind a bit [00:55] a bit? [00:55] :) [00:56] well. look at how gnome evolves [00:56] its not like they make considerable jumps in one or two release cycles [00:56] so if you are just one or two behind you are not that far behind ;) [00:56] i probably could live with hardy till its EOL if all the things i want to do work fine ;) [00:56] and i wasnt supposed to run this karmic stuff ;) [00:57] eeheh [00:57] why not wait 3 years and then get a "wow" effect. thats all completely better ;) [00:57] karmacian by job :) [00:57] heh [00:57] really? [00:57] yeah well. [00:57] I think small steps, lots of them, are better [00:58] i would run latest most likely in any case ;) [00:58] its just that i could imagine to not do it and still being happy :) [00:58] id personally rather get rid of 3.0 and go competely to 3.5, but i guess i gotta wait for that..lol [00:58] FFEMTcJ: why? [00:58] I stop using 3.5 once it hit beta [00:59] now using 3.6 and happy with its few bugs! [00:59] FFEMTcJ: we have -daily ppa [00:59] thats a godo thing [00:59] not too risky, but still fun [00:59] and one of my fab addons is since last week fixed so YAY [00:59] so if you have 3.5 and 3.6 (trunk( dailies [00:59] and 3.6 breaks for a day, you can at least keep using 3.5 for that day ;) [00:59] * BUGabundo wants to pin down 3.5 to archive but doesn't know how :( [00:59] BUGabundo: why are you scared for 3.5 dailies? [01:00] they are less likely to break now that its "released" than before [01:00] 3g bw! [01:00] I don't use 3.5 anymore, but like to keep it [01:00] BUGabundo: you can give the archive a high priortiy [01:00] BUGabundo: or give the ppa a low one [01:00] how? [01:00] there is documentation on the web ;) [01:00] fta tried and failed [01:00] i always need to check myself [01:00] oh really mr google? [01:00] :) [01:01] so for me: [01:01] BUGabundo: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/211603/ [01:01] Package: fakeroot [01:02] Pin: origin ubuntu.intergenia.de [01:02] Pin-Priority: 1001 [01:02] worked [01:02] thanks micahg. will try [01:02] it prevents me from pulling the fakerrot from fta ppa [01:02] ubuntu.intergenia is the hostname of the archive mirror i am using [01:02] asac: poor gwibber devs (and poor my inbox) [01:02] BUGabundo: that'll make the Ubuntu repos higher [01:02] by default they;re 500 [01:03] BUGabundo: http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html [01:03] micahg: but does 450 vs 500 alreay hold back stuff? [01:03] yep [01:03] i thought there are barriers in man preferences [01:03] it goes by higher priority [01:03] 499 vs 500 would AFAIK [01:04] micahg: http://paste.ubuntu.com/211605/ [01:04] hmmm [01:05] interesting [01:05] i think at least 501 [01:05] man apt_preferences [01:05] Package: firefox-3.5 [01:05] Pin: origin ppa.launchpad.net [01:05] Pin-Priority: 450 [01:05] BUGabundo: [01:05] that should install the one from the repo over the dily [01:05] daily [01:06] if so YAY [01:06] asac, it's no longer needed [01:06] that what I want! [01:06] well, I upgraded to 3.5 and it's not offering 3.5.1 dailies [01:06] fta: what? [01:06] but I get updates to everything else in dailies [01:06] it prevents me from pulling the fakerrot from fta ppa [01:06] oh good [01:06] micahg: slow PPA builders [01:06] was it he library path? [01:06] fta: did you remove it from ppa? [01:06] micahg: fixed now [01:07] it worked? [01:07] asac, yes [01:07] BUGabundo: why dont you want dailies? [01:07] BUGabundo: I don't want the 3.5 dailies :) [01:07] BUGabundo: at least add the -security ppa then [01:07] oh wait. that will break your pinning ;) [01:07] lol [01:07] micahg: haven't checked yet [01:08] asac: (01:00:11 AM) freenode: 3g bw! (01:00:21 AM) freenode: I don't use 3.5 anymore, but like to keep it [01:08] I use 3.6 and chromium any way [01:10] micahg: $ sudo aptitude update E: Invalid record in the preferences file, no Package header [01:11] can you post your preferences file to past.ubuntu [01:11] *paste [01:11] micahg: nevermind [01:11] ah [01:11] I was being sooooooooooooooo dense [01:11] won't even tell you what I did wrong [01:11] save [01:11] don't want to have you laught all night along on my account [01:11] asac: nope! worse [01:14] worse than not saving is only not writing [01:14] so most likely on a wrong pc ;) [01:14] in a ssh shell ;) [01:14] Pin: origin ubuntu.intergenia.de <= does it work? [01:14] fta: yes [01:15] i thought is was more like Pin: release o=LP-PPA-ubuntu-mozilla-daily [01:15] at least for fakeroot it worked bak a few days [01:15] fta: maybe thats a different format ... origin is just stupid by hostname [01:15] asac: or writing the wrong stuff and not read it [01:15] i wasnt capable to figure something more enhanced ;) [01:15] i was happy when i could continue working ;) [01:16] fta: there are multiple ways to pin, as the perl mongers say TMTOWTDI [01:16] for me, origin means the Origin field, as in http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-mozilla-daily/ppa/ubuntu/dists/karmic/Release [01:17] fta: run apt-cache policy [01:17] 500 http://ppa.launchpad.net karmic/main Packages [01:17] release v=9.10,o=LP-PPA-chromium-daily,a=karmic,l=Ubuntu,c=main [01:17] origin ppa.launchpad.net [01:17] there you go :) [01:18] but origin ppa.launchpad.net is not enough, i have several ppas [01:18] $ apt-cache policy firefox-3.5 | pastebinit [01:18] http://paste.ubuntu.com/211609/ [01:18] true, you can pin multiple items at once if you want [01:18] but for me, pinning ppa.lp.net works great [01:18] I only want to override official archives for a few things [01:18] I'll test tomorrow and see if it works [01:19] *if* we get a daily for 3.5 eheh [01:19] BUGabundo, http://paste.ubuntu.com/211610/ [01:19] so its pinned [01:19] mine, yes, not yours [01:20] well I already had it !!! [01:20] http://pastebin.com/f69befa2e [01:20] it won't downgrade on it self [01:20] just not upgrae [01:20] _ I hope _ [01:20] well, it's not pinned, it just prefers universe [01:20] fta: maybe you need to use something like [01:20] BUGabundo: yours will upgrade itself [01:20] release v=*,o=LP-PPP-....,a=karmic,l=Ubuntu,c=* [01:21] e.g all? [01:21] otherwise i dont know why yours doesnt work [01:21] 3.5+nobinonly-0ubuntu1 450 [01:21] *** 3.5.1~hg20090706r26039+nobinonly-0ubuntu2~umd1 450 [01:21] ask mvo tomorrow ;) [01:21] something is not fine here [01:21] both have 450? [01:21] mine is ok [01:21] where's the from BUGabundo? [01:22] micahg: $ apt-cache policy firefox-3.5 | pastebinit http://paste.ubuntu.com/211609/ [01:23] ah [01:23] hmm [01:23] mine is 0, but I didn't pin the package [01:24] ok bed time for me! 1:30 am and I'll be up at 7:30 to leave for work [01:24] cu [01:25] * BUGabundo $ do radom_pool (bath;sleep;breakfast;work); [01:25] sleep is for the weak ;) [01:26] I know [01:26] but I must [01:26] me too ;) [01:26] I like my pillow [01:26] hehe [01:26] sure it would be much better if some one else was there with me [01:26] i usually dont want to sleep, but i always want to sleep longer :) [01:26] but... that's next [01:26] naa [01:26] I'm an easy wake up [01:27] but sleep hard [01:27] :;) [01:27] if that even makes sense after translated [01:41] fta: is http://paste.ubuntu.com/211620/ better? [01:41] (thats with .31) [01:43] you still have those Slow... [01:44] anyway openarena works perfect on highest resolution [01:44] 1920*1200 [01:44] doesnt help me with my commercial games though :( [01:45] let me start ut2004 [01:45] which is probably the one with least graphics need [01:47] for me, the problem with openarena is the sound :( [01:48] yeah [01:48] no good ;) [01:48] fta: right openarena sound had some strange noise [01:48] thought that was ok ;) [01:57] http://tech.slashdot.org/story/09/07/06/1759225/Examining-the-HTML-5-Video-Codec-Debate?from=rss [01:58] fta: ^^ [02:05] i mean, i loose sound after a few minutes in o-a [02:07] hmm didnt see that [02:07] i will play it now and then sleep [02:07] good night ;) [02:07] may the sound be with me ;) [02:10] good night [02:43] asac: what is the daily repo? [04:05] FFEMTcJ: in case no one mentioned it already... https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-daily/+archive/ppa [05:32] anyone know what the name of the text node mouse? it enables you to use mouse in TTY and text mode? [05:40] found it its is called gpm :) [05:41] cool [05:42] eagles0513875: you needed me for something 12 hours ago or so? [05:42] morning micahg [05:42] almost morning for me :) [05:43] : [05:43] its 12:24AM here i slept aound an hour [05:44] (11:42:18 PM) gnomefreak: morning micahg [05:44] sorry 12:42 [05:44] .:00:44:10:. < gnomefreak > sorry 12:42 [05:46] switching to X i hope [05:48] well that sucks. i fixed X but still have 5 TTY's running [05:51] * gnomefreak really hates working on mozilla-devscripts anyone feel like adding and changing some code? [05:52] updates finish i have to restart and fix X again [06:00] micahg: do you use gwibber by chance? [06:00] no sorry [06:00] micahg: ah its all good i cant wait for asac in morning [06:46] hi team [06:46] any ideas why ff 3.5 in repos final still says shiretoko and the menu entry says beta? [07:52] indus: what do you mean menu says beta? === micahg1 is now known as micahg [08:13] hi [08:13] when is the official release of Firefox 3.5 will be released in Ubuntu Hardy ? [08:14] kaushal: you're best shot of getting an answer is probably after noon UTC [08:27] does FF3.5 require xulrunner-1.9.1 ? [08:29] yes [09:53] hello ya menu entry mouseover says beta [09:54] ff 3.5 [09:55] yesterday evening i got final version but it still says shiretoko [09:56] but it took me to the welcome page ' you have been upgraded to 3.5 [09:56] anyone? === asac_ is now known as asac [10:03] morning asac [10:03] the bug i posted someone posted a syslog already ill post the 2 dmesg errors i get [10:07] eagles0513875: taht doesnt help [10:07] i mean i dont need syslog from someone who possibly might see a different issue [10:07] it needs to be my syslog [10:07] well. if its your bug then yes [10:07] gotcha will duplicate it a bit later once i finish what im working on at the moment [10:07] i will ignore the logs from other folks that think thy see the same problem [10:08] k [10:37] can anyone comment? [10:37] yesterday evening i got final version ff 3.5 but it still says shiretoko [10:38] indus: thats all ok [10:38] no official branding in jaunty [10:39] we only brand our default browser officially [10:39] also we explicitly want both to be installable side by side [10:39] asac: ok thank you,but mouse over still says beta [10:39] and having same branding would be confusing [10:39] indus: where? [10:39] asac: in menu [10:40] apps>internet>shiretoko [10:40] says beta [10:40] indus: what does it say exactly? [10:40] indus: can you file a bug about the beta thing please [10:40] thanks [10:40] and give me the bug id ;) [10:40] aargh iam at work now but iam 99 % sure firefox web browser beta [10:41] k [10:41] please file a bug so we can fix and document it (and it doesnt get forgotten) [10:41] indus: but its the final version [10:41] ;) [10:41] be assured [10:41] asac:yes i know cos i got redirected to page 'congrats etc' [10:42] good [10:42] asac: also,is blue logo(old one ) intentional , and 2nd question [10:42] 11:38 < asac> no official branding in jaunty [10:42] 11:39 < asac> we only brand our default browser officially [10:42] 11:39 < asac> also we explicitly want both to be installable side by side [10:42] when ff 3.5 is so much better than 3.0,Why keep 3.0 in jaunty [10:43] and same branding would make them undistinguishable on your desktop [10:43] asac: ya that is true [10:43] asac: maybe have blue logo with a big grin saying its faster and better :) [10:43] its our promise to not just upgrade to new upstream version in stable updates [10:44] there are lots of improvements [10:44] but there are surely regressions and some extensions might not be compatible yet etc. [10:44] asac: ok i guess thats another topic for discussion so ill leave it for now [10:44] so users that install a stable ubuntu release dont expect that suddenly in the morning stuff starts to break that worked before [10:44] asac: shall i file the bug in launchpad now? [10:44] indus: for the "beta" in tooltip, yes. [10:45] asac: i think ill wait because i didnt restart my PC after that, and the menu entries do misbehave sometimes [10:45] yeah [10:45] asac: ill file in evening once i get home and check [10:45] indus: dont need to wait [10:45] its a bug [10:46] just file it [10:46] and give us bug id ;) [10:46] i verified that in code [10:46] asac: aah cool ok [10:46] asac: i go file now brb [10:53] ok done [10:54] asac: #396460 [10:55] asac: please assign to correct package etc iam bad at that still [10:57] bug #396460 [10:57] Launchpad bug 396460 in firefox "Firefox 3.5 'final' tooltip in menu says beta" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/396460 [10:58] asac: how do i fix this bug [10:59] indus: no need to i assigned it to me so it will get eventually fixed [11:00] asac: just want to know the process so i can fix bugs [11:00] asac:bug #396460 [11:00] Launchpad bug 396460 in firefox "Firefox 3.5 'final' tooltip in menu says beta" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/396460 [11:01] updated description [11:01] hmm i did i aswear [11:02] asac: cant i change the bug description? [11:04] dont [11:04] done [11:04] ok cu laters [11:28] http://www.asoftsite.org/s9y/archives/161-FAQ-Why-is-my-firefox-3.5-still-called-Shiretoko.html [11:39] hi again [11:39] reposting my query again [11:39] when is the official release of Firefox 3.5 will be released in Ubuntu Hardy ? [11:40] kaushal: there was never a package called firefox-3.5 in hardy [11:41] adding packages to stable releases is far out of ubuntu policies [11:41] kaushal: if you are asking about where we provide backports, thats not understood yet. [11:41] fta2: there? [11:42] asac, yes [11:42] kaushal: we have 3.5 dailies ... those should be pretty stable [11:42] fta2: so where can i upload the backports to? do we want to create a subppa for mozillateam? or go to webtech ... or what ;)? [11:42] * asac wants to stick his head in the sand :) [11:43] asac: i did not understand about 3.5 dailies [11:43] what does that mean ? [11:43] kaushal: https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-daily/+archive/ppa [11:43] thats the ppa where you get dailies of firefox 3.5 [11:43] now that 3.5 is final [11:43] it should be more or less stable [11:43] but of course its not _stable_ in the sense that only QAed stuff gets released there [11:44] asac: so it would be backported in hardy about 2-3 weeks [11:44] ? [11:45] kaushal: where do you read 2-3 weeks? [11:45] ah just a wild guess [11:45] well. if we can agree on a place to put that, it can happen withing a few minutes [11:46] cool [11:46] but agreeing on a place is kind of hard atm ;) [11:46] :) [11:48] so fta2 is the final authority :-) [11:50] asac, i'm not sure. we need to talk to the lp guys see if we can hae a redirect, then re-organize everything, it's a mess at the moment [11:50] yeah let me do that now [11:52] asked [11:53] where? [11:53] i sent some msg [11:53] fta2: hmm i think hardy apt didnt support redirects [11:53] lets hope it was fixed in hardy [11:54] i remember something surrouding hardy [12:14] who knows python tuples? im confused [12:18] what do you wnt to know? [12:19] tuples are mutable and immutabple however the values can not be changed at all you would have to change the varible [12:19] how can it be mutable in that case [12:21] tuble ecample (missing some chars) fun = happy happy can not be changed you have to change fun to change happy [12:30] btw 3.5 is broken [12:33] i take that back ubufox is broken [12:37]