/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2009/07/07/#ubuntu-ops.txt

PriceyHave I gotten my times mixed up?00:00
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FlannelAnyone know anything about Severity's bot?  Severity-Logging02:34
elkyFlannel, it looks spanking new as of today02:40
elkyits nick isn't registered and it only has one entry in whowas02:40
FlannelLooks like 3.5 finally made it to updates.02:51
FlannelI've seen some bad info on how to make it default though.  Some mozillateam guy basically removed the entire FirefoxNewVersion wikipage, and inserted stuff that only covers Jaunty/3.502:52
Flanneljust overwriting the symlink is wrong, correct?  Need to dpkg-divert first?02:52
FlannelThat is, to make /usr/bin/firefox point to 3.502:53
Flannelthanks Pici02:58
Picinp02:58
elky_workFlannel, might be worth conferring with the developers02:59
Flanneldpkg-divert makes it so you don't step on the toes of the package manager, it renames the file as far as dpkg is concerned, so you can recreate it manually.03:00
FlannelThis was in the old FNV wiki (which I really don't think should've been removed entirely, since the new one is way too special case)03:00
FlannelBut yeah.  Was just hoping someone else could confirm03:01
elkyFlannel, has the *matix stuff not taught you anything? we need dev sayso before what we say counts for anything as far as the dodgy-advice-givers are concerned03:06
PiciWhy not ask in #ubuntu-mozillateam ?03:06
Flannelwell, unfortunately the mozilla channel is apparently (second/third hand) the ones saying to just link it03:06
FlannelPici: because their advice is raising red flags in my head03:06
FlannelSome of it at least03:07
PiciWho?03:07
FlannelI don't know, we could check logs.  Give me a sec03:07
elkywhich means you go to a Core Dev03:09
FlannelHmm03:13
FlannelAlright, seems my LoCo member just extrapolated incorrectly (not surprising).  Official stance is "change the link" which doesn't mean simply ln, but would also include the divert I believe03:16
ubottuIn ubottu, Jordan_U said: ff3.5 is Firefox 3.5 Final is available for jaunty by installing the package "firefox-3.5". For Hardy see http://is.gd/1jkNY .03:16
Flannelactually, seems preferred way is: "set firefox-3.5 %s in gnome -> preferences -> preferred applications", which should work for "most use cases"03:19
bazhangfloodbotk1 does not seem to check ident03:24
elkyFlannel, that doesn't solve the wiki issue though03:27
Flannelelky: Indeed.03:27
FlannelIn my opinion, wiki should be reverted to prior edits, and then this stuff added in.03:27
elkyFlannel, poke asac if it wasnt him who did the edit03:28
Flannelsince that other stuff needs to exist for older versions of Ubuntu, and also in X months when firefox 84.0 comes out and someone wants to upgrade03:28
FlannelAndrew Sayers... probably asac, although his nick isn't on LP03:29
FlannelHmm, maybe not.  Not in mozilla team.03:30
elkyno, asac is alexander sack or something of the like03:30
elkyhttps://launchpad.net/~asac like so03:31
bazhangseverity-logging , according to severity1, is simply his work irc account; he has a bot sevbot , but will ask before any further actions related to Ubuntu channels04:23
elkybazhang, i assume you suggested that a nick change would be nice04:32
bazhangelky, for namelezz or severity-logging?04:32
elkyseverity-logging04:34
bazhangno; he explained what it was. If you wish I can ask him04:34
elkyexplain that it gives the wrong impression and severity-work or severity-backup would be far less encouraging to people who'd take it as a 'he gets bots, so i should too' invitation04:36
bazhangam doing so now elky just waiting his reply04:37
elkyFlannel, what the HELL just went down in -ot? :-/04:38
elkyFlannel, would 'she came in and asked some slightly trolly questions, then got basically ripped apart on the basis of gender' be an appropriate surmise from a glance?04:41
Flannelelky: What?04:45
elkyFlannel, -ot. they harrassed shadowgirl out of there by nicking to girl nicks and being absolutely ridiculous, then cheered when she left saying 'only room for one girl here'04:46
FlannelOh, thats stupid.04:46
elky*I* feel uncomfortable there when that crap goes down, and i have the banhammer04:46
FlannelI wasn't paying attention to -ot for about 10 minutes if not more04:46
FlannelMmm, yeah, looks like I picked the wrong time to look away04:47
elkymurphy needs to be spanked big time04:47
elkyhim and his damned laws04:47
FlannelI really wouldn't be against short-term bans for those involved04:48
elkyyes, but i dont want the wrath of the snuxtroll right now04:49
elkyi'll do it anyway04:50
FlannelHe's not even active, also, what would he have to say on the matter?04:50
elkylong story, but he got sick of me getting pissed off at misogynist comments that pipe up reguarly04:51
elkyso was it just derek and pokethesmot?04:51
Flannelh00k became SweetNSassyLinux, but yes, those three04:51
elkywhat about atomic04:52
FlannelNope04:52
FlannelHe's been playing a game for half an hour now.04:52
elkyi saw irack from atomicfail, but trying to quickly read the whole lot i didn't see much else04:53
Flannelirack? let melastlog04:53
elkyit's about the only thing i do see from him at glance04:53
FlannelYeah, he was responding to her mentioning apple making a bra04:54
Flannelsome TV skit04:54
elkyfair nuff considering04:54
Flannelwording of removes could've used some work, the harassing wasn't done out of the channel, but close enough.04:55
elkyit's obvious to those who saw04:56
elkykeep an eye on aprilhare, he's going to start baiting us with bacon04:58
elkyand icecream and cake04:58
FlannelThats an interesting beating...04:59
elkyFlannel, 48hours sufficient do you think or should we make it a whole week?04:59
Flannel48 hours should suffice.04:59
bazhangelky, he is at home, and that is his office account, so he has suggested we remove it now and he will re-name and re-enter when he gets to the office at some point in the near future. Is that satisfactory?05:05
elkybazhang, we can wait until tomrrow for him to change05:05
bazhangelky, he wont be at work until Friday05:05
elkygah, i need to werks, and now derek is PMing me05:06
elkybazhang, see, now if it was registered he'd be able to ghost it05:06
bazhanghe has no objection to removing now, and re-naming, re-entering then05:06
elkybazhang, it's not urgent.05:06
bazhangelky, so leave as is and let him reset on Friday?05:07
elkyyep05:07
bazhangokay thanks05:07
h00kHey elky, I'd like to talk to you about my kick/ban in #ubuntu-offtopic05:09
h00kI'm not quite sure of the way to go about it.05:09
bazhanghe will rename on Friday -work , or similar05:09
Flannelbazhang: Thank him for the cooperation/etc05:10
elky<elky> the ban is 48hrs for all three of you (pokethesmot and h00k too)05:10
elky<elky> you can report to -ops with apologies at that time05:10
bazhangvery apolgetic and co-operative05:10
bazhangugh spell fail05:10
elkyh00k, this is what i've told derek.05:10
bazhangFlannel, done so thanks05:10
bazhanghave to head out for a bit, so just wanted to clear that up.05:10
h00kI didn't mean it to be offensive, it wasn't meant to chase her out of the channel.  I apologize.05:11
elkyh00k, come back in 48 hours and repeat the apology. until then, the ban stands.05:12
elkypokethesmot has now been advised the same.05:16
elkyh00k, this isn't a channel to idle in. if you have nothing further to say then we ask that you part it until the 48hrs is up so we can keep tally of who actually needs talking to.05:17
h00kelky: as I said, I'll apologize now and I'll be back in 48 hours to do the same, had she responded on the defense or showed that she was taking it offensively, I would have immediately stopped and apologized05:17
h00kelky: I'm sorry, I was typing.05:17
Flannelh00k: Sounds good.  We appreciate it05:18
elkyh00k, it's not all about her.05:18
Flannelh00k: See you back in 48 to discuss it further.05:18
elkyhe really should take his own part message as advice05:19
FlannelEh, He'll be better after he cools off.05:19
FlannelRight now, he just wanted to have his apology recognized.  Discussion can come later.05:19
elkywell if he had have thought, he'd not have been in the firing line to begin with.05:19
elkyFlannel, that's wonderful, but i'm really not in the mood for validating those particular guys right now.05:20
Flannelelky: I don't see how its validating.  Full discussion can come once things have cooled down05:21
FlannelOf the three, he'd be the good apple among the bad ones, I don't really have any reason to think he did it out of malice, and when she left, his comment did seem to indicate he was surprised.05:22
FlannelI'm not saying he was thinking at the time, but of the three, he's the one most likely to think in the future05:23
Flanneland I don't think stonewalling him here so he gets more frustrated accomplishes anything05:24
elkyFlannel, i realise that he's the lesser contributor to the incident. i don't however see why he should be pampered with praise. Give a mouse a crumb and soon it'll want the whole cookie.05:25
FlannelTreating him like a regular human isn't pampering him with praise.  This is his first entry in the BT, I don't see any reason to treat him like scum.05:27
elky_workThat was not treating him less than human.05:29
elky_workI acknowledged his apology by saying he could repeat it in 48 hours. He was not ignored and he was not mistreated.05:31
elky_workSpace, if you take the rude word out of your ident, you wont get forwarded here.05:43
elky_workbah05:44
shadowwolfhow can i get unbanned?06:34
Flannelshadowwolf: This is the channel to discuss bans and their removals06:34
shadowwolfok.... well how can i get unbanned?06:35
Flannelshadowwolf: Do you know why you were banned?06:37
shadowwolfwell not me personally, but my server... yes06:37
FlannelAnd why was that?06:37
shadowwolfbecause someone who used my server threatened to kill06:38
FlannelThat was the final action, yes.  But this was also after a long period of people on your server causing trouble06:39
shadowwolfohh...... well it wasnt me06:39
FlannelActually, you were a part of it; or at least your nick.06:40
shadowwolfthat wasnt me, however06:40
ikonianick+ident+ip = you06:40
FlannelRegardless, What steps have you taken to fix the problems?06:40
naliothshadowwolf: if it wasn't you personally, it was you by allowing your computer / network to be abused06:40
shadowwolfi dont know how i can?06:41
Flannelshadowwolf: Not allowing people who misbehave to use it would be an easy way.06:41
elkywait, so it wasn't you, but you know all the details?06:41
shadowwolfcorrect06:41
indushi06:41
ikoniaindus: hi there, please hang on a moment06:42
indusfolks, ff 3.5 is in jaunty  but ubottu shows its still being built06:42
elkyso how do you know all the details?06:42
indusikonia: hi 06:42
ikoniaindus: thank you, noted06:42
elkyindus, thanks, was that all?06:43
indusyes thank you06:43
shadowwolf1im 06:44
indusikonia said hang on a moment06:44
indusso i shall06:44
shadowwolf1im sorry i missed thar06:44
Flannelindus: If that's it, you don't need to hang on :)06:44
ikoniaindus: no - it's fine06:44
indusheh ok. but i have one question06:44
shadowwolf1i missed what you guys were telling me06:44
industhe menu entry for ff still beta and shiretoko ,any ideas why?06:45
shadowwolf1my server was messing up06:45
ikoniaindus: this isn't a support channel 06:45
ikoniaindus: I'm sure you can discuss it in #ubuntu or #ubuntu-mozzila-team06:45
FlannelI believe it's #ubuntu-mozillateam06:45
indushmm ok thanks06:45
ikoniathank you Flannel 06:46
shadowwolf1buut anyway... iI know the details because i read all of the conversations when they were done06:46
ikoniayou know how to log conversations for other users, but not how to limit other users access ?06:47
shadowwolf1no, i kust scrolled down the conversatlons... they left it up06:48
ikoniaindus: if there is nothing else you need you are requested to leave the channel06:48
elkyyou actually let them use your nickname?06:48
shadowwolf1well yes because i didnt realize it could cause harm06:49
indusikonia: ok i cant stay ? 06:49
* mneptok stares blankly06:49
shadowwolf1mow that i know... they will no konger use my nick06:49
ikoniaindus: it's requested not please06:49
indusikonia: rude, but i guess its your channel06:49
ikonia!idle | indus 06:49
ubottuindus: Please keep in mind that this channel is for operator/abuse questions only; we ask you to part when you have no further business here in order to keep track of users with pending inquiries.06:49
ikoniaindus: it's not rude06:50
indussorry bye folks, but does sound rude :)06:50
elkymore rude than watching someone elses discussion? i think not.06:50
shadowwolf1but anyway... is there any way i can get unbanned06:51
mneptokshadowwolf1: you're using an IRC client on a Nintendo DS06:52
mneptokis that correct?06:52
shadowwolf1yes06:52
shadowwolf1is that a problem?06:52
mneptok23:37 < shadowwolf> well not me personally, but my server... yes06:52
mneptoka Nintendo DS is a "server?"06:53
shadowwolf1no... there are multiple ds in this household06:53
mneptokand you allow all the people to use your ident and nick on their handhelds?06:53
shadowwolf1so multiple can go on IRC at one time... but they use the same s06:53
shadowwolf1erver06:53
shadowwolf1occassionally yes06:54
ikoniathe quicker you just say this was you the easier this will be06:54
shadowwolf1i didnt see any harm in it06:54
ikoniaso someone used, your nick, and your ident, and then left the DS around, that you then read the conversation on 06:54
mneptokshadowwolf1: i may be young, but i wasn't born yesterday06:54
ikoniajust to be clear06:54
shadowwolf1not quite it was more along the lines of them showing me their conversation06:55
ikoniaooh it changes now06:55
ikoniaFlannel: apologies, I'll but out06:55
ikoniabutt06:55
Flannelikonia: no, you were doing fine06:55
Flannelit's not my ban06:55
FlannelI'm half caught up in other stuff anyway06:56
shadowwolf1how did it change?06:56
ikoniashadowwolf1: you read the conversation - he left it on the screen, now he's showing you the conversation 06:56
ikoniashadowwolf1: until however is responsible for your internet connection can take precautions to stop this happening again it seems sensible to leave the ban06:57
ikoniawhoever sorry 06:57
shadowwolf1but i can ensure that future users, including me, will obide by your rules06:59
ikoniahow ?07:00
elkyhow?07:00
ikoniaI'm out07:00
Flannelbye ikonia07:00
ikoniabye07:00
shadowwolf1because all users on a ds automatically log onyo #dsorganize, i can see who has loggedvp on and off07:01
shadowwolf1w/ this i can ytake control of users07:01
Flannelshadowwolf1: and how does that make them follow the rules?07:01
shadowwolf1i know who will and wont follow the rules07:02
shadowwolf1some friends messed with IRC for fun but othersvp like me use it as a learning experience07:02
elkyi find it hard to trust your judgement07:02
shadowwolf1what if i dont allow anyone to use this nick again07:03
shadowwolf1can u ban all other nicks?07:04
=== shadowwolf1 is now known as shadowwolf
shadowwolfthis nick07:04
shadowwolfwell...... is it possible?07:06
mneptokno.07:06
mneptokyour IP address is a source of abuse.07:06
shadowwolfohhhhh....07:06
mneptokit should, IMO, be banned. regardless of nick.07:06
shadowwolfwell then what would be the problem w/ lifting the ban... i this server gets banned again theres no lifting of it07:07
shadowwolfi can promise i wont allow any abuse from this server from here on07:08
shadowwolfif abuse does happen again... then you could just ban it again, without ever lifting it again07:09
elkywhy would we risk another death threat?07:09
shadowwolfwell if it makes a difference the death threat came from and was directed towards a nick of the same server07:11
Flannelit really doesn't07:11
shadowwolfand besides... i woukd let it happen again07:11
shadowwolfwouldnt07:11
Flannelshadowwolf: Are you saying you're going to escort everyone on the server at all times?07:11
shadowwolfescort?07:12
shadowwolfoohhhhhhhhh.... of course07:13
shadowwolfim not letting another one of those incidents happen again07:14
FlannelI really don't see how you'd manage that though,07:14
shadowwolfhow not? i can see when peopke go on and off07:15
mneptokdo you sleep?07:16
shadowwolfyes.... but when im asleep eveertone is asleep07:16
shadowwolfplus.... i have control of ALL Aof the ds's in this house07:17
bazhangbizarro07:20
naliothquite.07:21
jussi01ikonia: ping08:28
Flannellinuxguy really seems to enjoy falling on his sword08:31
elkylikewise grant-a08:43
ikoniaI wonder if it's possible to get an ubuntu domained image bin10:47
elkyfind a pastebin service that also does pics and submit it for code review to the sysadmins10:48
ikoniaI'll have a look, nice to put a tidy / professional spin on the services10:51
elkywell, a comprehensive spin which is more important10:51
elkyall under one url would be alot easier than having to revise info in multiple places10:52
ikoniavery true10:52
jussi01ikonia: pm12:20
jussi01Pici: #ubuntu a bit crazy today...13:32
Picijussi01: Agreed13:32
bazhangnameless_au said thanks14:06
bazhangglad I cleared out most of my bans yesterday14:22
bazhangwth14:29
elkyPici, around?14:37
Picielky: Indeedy14:37
elkyPici, can you remove the baiting paddy from -ot please14:37
elkyi'm sick to death of his accusations of bullying smothered with baiting. me removing him now would be fuel.14:38
Picielky: I understand14:38
elkywow, the change in behaviour is impressive14:40
elkywe ought to kick him more.14:40
PiciIf only that worked for more people...14:41
bazhanghe has been pretty bad of late14:41
bazhangnameless still baiting14:42
elkyyep14:43
elkyi take it he's been piped guidelines14:44
elkythe ice is thinning, thinning...14:45
Myrttiwoheee14:46
Myrttiubuntu ultimate user!14:46
elkywho?14:47
bazhangsame guy yesterday; was told it was offtopic, then said 'my friend is using Ubuntu; I want to ask some questions for him'14:47
bazhangpratamesh14:47
RichiHfyi, 17:24:46 -!- [-D35P14D4D0-] [n=hgfxy@adsl-99-19-240-97.dsl.applwi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [K-lined]16:29
bazhangthanks RichiH 16:29
RichiHthat was most likely the runner of the bots in #ubuntu-es half an hour ago16:29
RichiHi klined him along with all the other clone hosts16:29
bazhangmuch appreciated16:30
bazhangwhat is with all the jgi today...16:38
Myrttino`u [n=yourmom@53-152-112-92.pool.ukrtel.net] seems to have some issues17:00
bazhangah hetor`17:01
bazhangtrolling about packagers/repos maintainers should be fired17:02
PiciJordan_U: Is there anything that we can help you with today?17:02
Flannel!away > marceloleaes 18:01
FlannelHmmm18:11
Flannelthat didn't forward18:11
FlannelHmm18:12
FlannelNo such channel?18:12
PiciTo what channel?18:12
Flannel##fix-your-connection, right?18:12
Flannel+b *!*@h116-000-230-016.ms01.itscom.jp!##fix-your-connection18:12
Pici##fix_your_connection iirc18:12
FlannelBT has it with hyphens, let me try18:12
Flannelthere we go18:13
FlannelOdd that the BT has it with hyphens (I can never remember,so I always just go check)18:13
naliothwhy doesn't 'mv' have recursion?  i've got loads of crufty *.url and *.URL files i want to delete18:29
Picinalioth: find /some/path -iname "*.url" -delete 18:34
nalioththanks18:34
naliothdunno why half the man pages show -R can be used with mv18:35
PiciMine don't :/18:35
naliothask Uncle Google18:36
nalioththanks, Pici 18:48
naliothhttp://searchmonkey.sourceforge.net/index.php/Main_Page   is not yet ready for prime time18:49
shadowwolfcan i get unbanned 21:16
Seeker`@bansearch shadowwolf 21:17
shadowwolfwhat?21:17
gnomefreakSeeker`: banned him ;)21:17
gnomefreakj/k21:17
Seeker`@login21:18
ubottuMatch: *!*@pool-173-75-59-56.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net by Seeker` in #ubuntu-offtopic on Jun 21 2009 03:46:34 (ID: 14792)21:18
ubottuThe operation succeeded.21:18
Seeker`@btlogin21:18
gnomefreakbot is slow21:18
gnomefreakSeeker`: you already are loged in21:18
Seeker`can say that again21:18
Seeker`shadowwolf: give me a minute21:18
shadowwolfk21:18
gnomefreak!whoami21:18
ubottuuse @whoami21:18
gnomefreak@whoami21:18
ubottugnomefreak21:18
* gnomefreak logs in automagicly21:19
Seeker`ah yes, would you also be ilovellama?21:21
shadowwolfnott exactly21:21
Seeker`not exactly?21:21
shadowwolfthat was another person using this server21:21
shadowwolfim using a nintendo ds21:22
Flannelshadowwolf: We had this conversation last night.  What has changed since then?21:23
shadowwolfnothing... but i had to leave21:23
shadowwolfso im continuing it21:23
FlannelOperators aren't like parents, you can't just go ask another one hoping for a different answer.21:23
shadowwolfi never got an answer though21:23
shadowwolfyou kept trying to call me a liar21:24
* gnomefreak is a parent 21:24
Flannelshadowwolf: Yeah, you did.  You haven't done anything to make us think people using your server won't cause trouble, so we don't see any reason to risk it.21:24
shadowwolfim not allowing anyone troublesome on IRC via my server21:25
FlannelSo, everyone who was using it before won't be using it again, and we won't be having any more issues from you or anyone else using your server?21:26
shadowwolflike the person using the nick "ilovellama"... theyre not allowed on irc anymore21:26
Seeker`"not allowed"?21:26
shadowwolfyes... they are people who live in my household21:27
Flannelshadowwolf: And the person who was using your nick? what about the handful of others?21:27
shadowwolfi control what they can and cant do21:27
FlannelThrough what methods?21:27
shadowwolfbecause the only way they can access IRC is via NintendoDS... i take their DS's away when unsupervised21:28
Flanneland when they are being supervised?21:29
shadowwolfi watch what they do... even if they're only playing games.... its their punishmment21:29
Seeker`who are these other people?21:29
shadowwolfmy lil siblings21:30
Seeker`you are allowed to take away their DS?21:31
shadowwolfyup21:31
Seeker`so how do you spend any time chatting if you are so busy supervising all of these lil siblings?21:32
shadowwolftthey dont mind... as long as they get a little time on it every day, theyre happy21:32
shadowwolfi stand behind them when they're on their DS21:32
shadowwolfso all i hav to do is look over there shoulder every minute or so just to peek at what theyre doing21:33
shadowwolfsometimes i can just hear their games... like mario kart sound21:34
shadowwolfi know what they're doing that was as well21:34
shadowwolfway21:34
shadowwolfim sorry ill be back in a little, i must eat dinner brb21:35
FlannelI'm mostly satisfied, but I can't watch him in -ot to make sure he doesn't cause trouble for a few more hours21:35
FlannelSo, I'm bowing out of making any decision at the moment, etc.  Someone else can feel free to. yadda yadda21:36
Seeker`I cant do any serious watching atm21:36
gnomefreakunban him tomorrow and ill keep eye open but way to deep into fixing my set up21:37
shadowwolfim back22:04
shadowwolfsorry, where were we Seeker'?22:04
shadowwolfSeeker`?22:07
shadowwolfcan someone please answer me?22:10
shadowwolfso how can i get unbanned?22:14
Seeker`shadowwolf: you can be unbanned tomorrow22:15
shadowwolf? how does thatvwork?22:16
shadowwolfthat work22:16
Seeker`shadowwolf: because that is what we have decided22:16
shadowwolf? no.... im asking how do you unban someone?22:17
Seeker`type in a command22:17
shadowwolfohhhh.... how come you can type commands but i can't22:18
Seeker`because I am an op22:18
shadowwolfis there any way for me to become an oP?22:18
Seeker`people are asked to be ops when they have been observed to contribute to the community over a length of time22:21
Seeker`typically, if you ask to be an op, you wont get it22:21
shadowwolfohhhh... that figures22:22
shadowwolflol22:22
shadowwolfwell..... i guess that just means i have to be good huh?22:22
Seeker`yup22:22
Myrttishadowwolf: anything else?22:22
shadowwolfummmm.... you said id be unbanned tomorrow, correct?22:23
Seeker`yes22:24
shadowwolfok, is there a time as well, or at any time tomorrow?22:25
Myrttisometime in the following 24-30 hours is a good guess.22:28
shadowwolfok.... thank you22:29
BejeezusHi, would anyone be able to tell me why I'm banned from #ubuntu-offtopic?22:38
Seeker`@bansearch Bejeezus 22:42
ubottuMatch: *!*jesus*@* by ChanServ in #ubuntu-offtopic on Mar 15 2009 06:41:29 (ID: 11001)22:43
BejeezusAh22:43
BejeezusSo it's simply because I have jesus in my name?22:43
Seeker`becuase of your ident22:43
Seeker`yup22:43
Seeker`Bejeezus: change your ident and you can join -offtopic22:45
ikoniaSeeker`: I thought jesus was an ok ident, 22:58
gnomefreakits a latin name (at least in mexico)22:59
ikoniayup23:01
Seeker`ikonia: not my ban23:04
ikoniaohj23:04
ikoniaoh23:04

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