[00:00] Have I gotten my times mixed up? [00:00] bluekuja: apologies, got mixed up. [00:00] np [00:00] see ya [00:00] leaving [00:00] have a good night [02:34] Anyone know anything about Severity's bot? Severity-Logging [02:40] Flannel, it looks spanking new as of today [02:40] its nick isn't registered and it only has one entry in whowas [02:51] Looks like 3.5 finally made it to updates. [02:52] I've seen some bad info on how to make it default though. Some mozillateam guy basically removed the entire FirefoxNewVersion wikipage, and inserted stuff that only covers Jaunty/3.5 [02:52] just overwriting the symlink is wrong, correct? Need to dpkg-divert first? [02:53] That is, to make /usr/bin/firefox point to 3.5 [02:58] thanks Pici [02:58] np [02:59] Flannel, might be worth conferring with the developers [03:00] dpkg-divert makes it so you don't step on the toes of the package manager, it renames the file as far as dpkg is concerned, so you can recreate it manually. [03:00] This was in the old FNV wiki (which I really don't think should've been removed entirely, since the new one is way too special case) [03:01] But yeah. Was just hoping someone else could confirm [03:06] Flannel, has the *matix stuff not taught you anything? we need dev sayso before what we say counts for anything as far as the dodgy-advice-givers are concerned [03:06] Why not ask in #ubuntu-mozillateam ? [03:06] well, unfortunately the mozilla channel is apparently (second/third hand) the ones saying to just link it [03:06] Pici: because their advice is raising red flags in my head [03:07] Some of it at least [03:07] Who? [03:07] I don't know, we could check logs. Give me a sec [03:09] which means you go to a Core Dev [03:13] Hmm [03:16] Alright, seems my LoCo member just extrapolated incorrectly (not surprising). Official stance is "change the link" which doesn't mean simply ln, but would also include the divert I believe [03:16] In ubottu, Jordan_U said: ff3.5 is Firefox 3.5 Final is available for jaunty by installing the package "firefox-3.5". For Hardy see http://is.gd/1jkNY . [03:19] actually, seems preferred way is: "set firefox-3.5 %s in gnome -> preferences -> preferred applications", which should work for "most use cases" [03:24] floodbotk1 does not seem to check ident [03:27] Flannel, that doesn't solve the wiki issue though [03:27] elky: Indeed. [03:27] In my opinion, wiki should be reverted to prior edits, and then this stuff added in. [03:28] Flannel, poke asac if it wasnt him who did the edit [03:28] since that other stuff needs to exist for older versions of Ubuntu, and also in X months when firefox 84.0 comes out and someone wants to upgrade [03:29] Andrew Sayers... probably asac, although his nick isn't on LP [03:30] Hmm, maybe not. Not in mozilla team. [03:30] no, asac is alexander sack or something of the like [03:31] https://launchpad.net/~asac like so [04:23] severity-logging , according to severity1, is simply his work irc account; he has a bot sevbot , but will ask before any further actions related to Ubuntu channels [04:32] bazhang, i assume you suggested that a nick change would be nice [04:32] elky, for namelezz or severity-logging? [04:34] severity-logging [04:34] no; he explained what it was. If you wish I can ask him [04:36] explain that it gives the wrong impression and severity-work or severity-backup would be far less encouraging to people who'd take it as a 'he gets bots, so i should too' invitation [04:37] am doing so now elky just waiting his reply [04:38] Flannel, what the HELL just went down in -ot? :-/ [04:41] Flannel, would 'she came in and asked some slightly trolly questions, then got basically ripped apart on the basis of gender' be an appropriate surmise from a glance? [04:45] elky: What? [04:46] Flannel, -ot. they harrassed shadowgirl out of there by nicking to girl nicks and being absolutely ridiculous, then cheered when she left saying 'only room for one girl here' [04:46] Oh, thats stupid. [04:46] *I* feel uncomfortable there when that crap goes down, and i have the banhammer [04:46] I wasn't paying attention to -ot for about 10 minutes if not more [04:47] Mmm, yeah, looks like I picked the wrong time to look away [04:47] murphy needs to be spanked big time [04:47] him and his damned laws [04:48] I really wouldn't be against short-term bans for those involved [04:49] yes, but i dont want the wrath of the snuxtroll right now [04:50] i'll do it anyway [04:50] He's not even active, also, what would he have to say on the matter? [04:51] long story, but he got sick of me getting pissed off at misogynist comments that pipe up reguarly [04:51] so was it just derek and pokethesmot? [04:51] h00k became SweetNSassyLinux, but yes, those three [04:52] what about atomic [04:52] Nope [04:52] He's been playing a game for half an hour now. [04:53] i saw irack from atomicfail, but trying to quickly read the whole lot i didn't see much else [04:53] irack? let melastlog [04:53] it's about the only thing i do see from him at glance [04:54] Yeah, he was responding to her mentioning apple making a bra [04:54] some TV skit [04:54] fair nuff considering [04:55] wording of removes could've used some work, the harassing wasn't done out of the channel, but close enough. [04:56] it's obvious to those who saw [04:58] keep an eye on aprilhare, he's going to start baiting us with bacon [04:58] and icecream and cake [04:59] Thats an interesting beating... [04:59] Flannel, 48hours sufficient do you think or should we make it a whole week? [04:59] 48 hours should suffice. [05:05] elky, he is at home, and that is his office account, so he has suggested we remove it now and he will re-name and re-enter when he gets to the office at some point in the near future. Is that satisfactory? [05:05] bazhang, we can wait until tomrrow for him to change [05:05] elky, he wont be at work until Friday [05:06] gah, i need to werks, and now derek is PMing me [05:06] bazhang, see, now if it was registered he'd be able to ghost it [05:06] he has no objection to removing now, and re-naming, re-entering then [05:06] bazhang, it's not urgent. [05:07] elky, so leave as is and let him reset on Friday? [05:07] yep [05:07] okay thanks [05:09] Hey elky, I'd like to talk to you about my kick/ban in #ubuntu-offtopic [05:09] I'm not quite sure of the way to go about it. [05:09] he will rename on Friday -work , or similar [05:10] bazhang: Thank him for the cooperation/etc [05:10] the ban is 48hrs for all three of you (pokethesmot and h00k too) [05:10] you can report to -ops with apologies at that time [05:10] very apolgetic and co-operative [05:10] ugh spell fail [05:10] h00k, this is what i've told derek. [05:10] Flannel, done so thanks [05:10] have to head out for a bit, so just wanted to clear that up. [05:11] I didn't mean it to be offensive, it wasn't meant to chase her out of the channel. I apologize. [05:12] h00k, come back in 48 hours and repeat the apology. until then, the ban stands. [05:16] pokethesmot has now been advised the same. [05:17] h00k, this isn't a channel to idle in. if you have nothing further to say then we ask that you part it until the 48hrs is up so we can keep tally of who actually needs talking to. [05:17] elky: as I said, I'll apologize now and I'll be back in 48 hours to do the same, had she responded on the defense or showed that she was taking it offensively, I would have immediately stopped and apologized [05:17] elky: I'm sorry, I was typing. [05:18] h00k: Sounds good. We appreciate it [05:18] h00k, it's not all about her. [05:18] h00k: See you back in 48 to discuss it further. [05:19] he really should take his own part message as advice [05:19] Eh, He'll be better after he cools off. [05:19] Right now, he just wanted to have his apology recognized. Discussion can come later. [05:19] well if he had have thought, he'd not have been in the firing line to begin with. [05:20] Flannel, that's wonderful, but i'm really not in the mood for validating those particular guys right now. [05:21] elky: I don't see how its validating. Full discussion can come once things have cooled down [05:22] Of the three, he'd be the good apple among the bad ones, I don't really have any reason to think he did it out of malice, and when she left, his comment did seem to indicate he was surprised. [05:23] I'm not saying he was thinking at the time, but of the three, he's the one most likely to think in the future [05:24] and I don't think stonewalling him here so he gets more frustrated accomplishes anything [05:25] Flannel, i realise that he's the lesser contributor to the incident. i don't however see why he should be pampered with praise. Give a mouse a crumb and soon it'll want the whole cookie. [05:27] Treating him like a regular human isn't pampering him with praise. This is his first entry in the BT, I don't see any reason to treat him like scum. [05:29] That was not treating him less than human. [05:31] I acknowledged his apology by saying he could repeat it in 48 hours. He was not ignored and he was not mistreated. [05:43] Space, if you take the rude word out of your ident, you wont get forwarded here. [05:44] bah [06:34] how can i get unbanned? [06:34] shadowwolf: This is the channel to discuss bans and their removals [06:35] ok.... well how can i get unbanned? [06:37] shadowwolf: Do you know why you were banned? [06:37] well not me personally, but my server... yes [06:37] And why was that? [06:38] because someone who used my server threatened to kill [06:39] That was the final action, yes. But this was also after a long period of people on your server causing trouble [06:39] ohh...... well it wasnt me [06:40] Actually, you were a part of it; or at least your nick. [06:40] that wasnt me, however [06:40] nick+ident+ip = you [06:40] Regardless, What steps have you taken to fix the problems? [06:40] shadowwolf: if it wasn't you personally, it was you by allowing your computer / network to be abused [06:41] i dont know how i can? [06:41] shadowwolf: Not allowing people who misbehave to use it would be an easy way. [06:41] wait, so it wasn't you, but you know all the details? [06:41] correct [06:41] hi [06:42] indus: hi there, please hang on a moment [06:42] folks, ff 3.5 is in jaunty but ubottu shows its still being built [06:42] so how do you know all the details? [06:42] ikonia: hi [06:42] indus: thank you, noted [06:43] indus, thanks, was that all? [06:43] yes thank you [06:44] im [06:44] ikonia said hang on a moment [06:44] so i shall [06:44] im sorry i missed thar [06:44] indus: If that's it, you don't need to hang on :) [06:44] indus: no - it's fine [06:44] heh ok. but i have one question [06:44] i missed what you guys were telling me [06:45] the menu entry for ff still beta and shiretoko ,any ideas why? [06:45] my server was messing up [06:45] indus: this isn't a support channel [06:45] indus: I'm sure you can discuss it in #ubuntu or #ubuntu-mozzila-team [06:45] I believe it's #ubuntu-mozillateam [06:45] hmm ok thanks [06:46] thank you Flannel [06:46] buut anyway... iI know the details because i read all of the conversations when they were done [06:47] you know how to log conversations for other users, but not how to limit other users access ? [06:48] no, i kust scrolled down the conversatlons... they left it up [06:48] indus: if there is nothing else you need you are requested to leave the channel [06:48] you actually let them use your nickname? [06:49] well yes because i didnt realize it could cause harm [06:49] ikonia: ok i cant stay ? [06:49] * mneptok stares blankly [06:49] mow that i know... they will no konger use my nick [06:49] indus: it's requested not please [06:49] ikonia: rude, but i guess its your channel [06:49] !idle | indus [06:49] indus: Please keep in mind that this channel is for operator/abuse questions only; we ask you to part when you have no further business here in order to keep track of users with pending inquiries. [06:50] indus: it's not rude [06:50] sorry bye folks, but does sound rude :) [06:50] more rude than watching someone elses discussion? i think not. [06:51] but anyway... is there any way i can get unbanned [06:52] shadowwolf1: you're using an IRC client on a Nintendo DS [06:52] is that correct? [06:52] yes [06:52] is that a problem? [06:52] 23:37 < shadowwolf> well not me personally, but my server... yes [06:53] a Nintendo DS is a "server?" [06:53] no... there are multiple ds in this household [06:53] and you allow all the people to use your ident and nick on their handhelds? [06:53] so multiple can go on IRC at one time... but they use the same s [06:53] erver [06:54] occassionally yes [06:54] the quicker you just say this was you the easier this will be [06:54] i didnt see any harm in it [06:54] so someone used, your nick, and your ident, and then left the DS around, that you then read the conversation on [06:54] shadowwolf1: i may be young, but i wasn't born yesterday [06:54] just to be clear [06:55] not quite it was more along the lines of them showing me their conversation [06:55] ooh it changes now [06:55] Flannel: apologies, I'll but out [06:55] butt [06:55] ikonia: no, you were doing fine [06:55] it's not my ban [06:56] I'm half caught up in other stuff anyway [06:56] how did it change? [06:56] shadowwolf1: you read the conversation - he left it on the screen, now he's showing you the conversation [06:57] shadowwolf1: until however is responsible for your internet connection can take precautions to stop this happening again it seems sensible to leave the ban [06:57] whoever sorry [06:59] but i can ensure that future users, including me, will obide by your rules [07:00] how ? [07:00] how? [07:00] I'm out [07:00] bye ikonia [07:00] bye [07:01] because all users on a ds automatically log onyo #dsorganize, i can see who has loggedvp on and off [07:01] w/ this i can ytake control of users [07:01] shadowwolf1: and how does that make them follow the rules? [07:02] i know who will and wont follow the rules [07:02] some friends messed with IRC for fun but othersvp like me use it as a learning experience [07:02] i find it hard to trust your judgement [07:03] what if i dont allow anyone to use this nick again [07:04] can u ban all other nicks? === shadowwolf1 is now known as shadowwolf [07:04] this nick [07:06] well...... is it possible? [07:06] no. [07:06] your IP address is a source of abuse. [07:06] ohhhhh.... [07:06] it should, IMO, be banned. regardless of nick. [07:07] well then what would be the problem w/ lifting the ban... i this server gets banned again theres no lifting of it [07:08] i can promise i wont allow any abuse from this server from here on [07:09] if abuse does happen again... then you could just ban it again, without ever lifting it again [07:09] why would we risk another death threat? [07:11] well if it makes a difference the death threat came from and was directed towards a nick of the same server [07:11] it really doesn't [07:11] and besides... i woukd let it happen again [07:11] wouldnt [07:11] shadowwolf: Are you saying you're going to escort everyone on the server at all times? [07:12] escort? [07:13] oohhhhhhhhh.... of course [07:14] im not letting another one of those incidents happen again [07:14] I really don't see how you'd manage that though, [07:15] how not? i can see when peopke go on and off [07:16] do you sleep? [07:16] yes.... but when im asleep eveertone is asleep [07:17] plus.... i have control of ALL Aof the ds's in this house [07:20] bizarro [07:21] quite. [08:28] ikonia: ping [08:31] linuxguy really seems to enjoy falling on his sword [08:43] likewise grant-a [10:47] I wonder if it's possible to get an ubuntu domained image bin [10:48] find a pastebin service that also does pics and submit it for code review to the sysadmins [10:51] I'll have a look, nice to put a tidy / professional spin on the services [10:51] well, a comprehensive spin which is more important [10:52] all under one url would be alot easier than having to revise info in multiple places [10:52] very true [12:20] ikonia: pm [13:32] Pici: #ubuntu a bit crazy today... [13:32] jussi01: Agreed [14:06] nameless_au said thanks [14:22] glad I cleared out most of my bans yesterday [14:29] wth [14:37] Pici, around? [14:37] elky: Indeedy [14:37] Pici, can you remove the baiting paddy from -ot please [14:38] i'm sick to death of his accusations of bullying smothered with baiting. me removing him now would be fuel. [14:38] elky: I understand [14:40] wow, the change in behaviour is impressive [14:40] we ought to kick him more. [14:41] If only that worked for more people... [14:41] he has been pretty bad of late [14:42] nameless still baiting [14:43] yep [14:44] i take it he's been piped guidelines [14:45] the ice is thinning, thinning... [14:46] woheee [14:46] ubuntu ultimate user! [14:47] who? [14:47] same guy yesterday; was told it was offtopic, then said 'my friend is using Ubuntu; I want to ask some questions for him' [14:47] pratamesh [16:29] fyi, 17:24:46 -!- [-D35P14D4D0-] [n=hgfxy@adsl-99-19-240-97.dsl.applwi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [K-lined] [16:29] thanks RichiH [16:29] that was most likely the runner of the bots in #ubuntu-es half an hour ago [16:29] i klined him along with all the other clone hosts [16:30] much appreciated [16:38] what is with all the jgi today... [17:00] no`u [n=yourmom@53-152-112-92.pool.ukrtel.net] seems to have some issues [17:01] ah hetor` [17:02] trolling about packagers/repos maintainers should be fired [17:02] Jordan_U: Is there anything that we can help you with today? [18:01] !away > marceloleaes [18:11] Hmmm [18:11] that didn't forward [18:12] Hmm [18:12] No such channel? [18:12] To what channel? [18:12] ##fix-your-connection, right? [18:12] +b *!*@h116-000-230-016.ms01.itscom.jp!##fix-your-connection [18:12] ##fix_your_connection iirc [18:12] BT has it with hyphens, let me try [18:13] there we go [18:13] Odd that the BT has it with hyphens (I can never remember,so I always just go check) [18:29] why doesn't 'mv' have recursion? i've got loads of crufty *.url and *.URL files i want to delete [18:34] nalioth: find /some/path -iname "*.url" -delete [18:34] thanks [18:35] dunno why half the man pages show -R can be used with mv [18:35] Mine don't :/ [18:36] ask Uncle Google [18:48] thanks, Pici [18:49] http://searchmonkey.sourceforge.net/index.php/Main_Page is not yet ready for prime time [21:16] can i get unbanned [21:17] @bansearch shadowwolf [21:17] what? [21:17] Seeker`: banned him ;) [21:17] j/k [21:18] @login [21:18] Match: *!*@pool-173-75-59-56.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net by Seeker` in #ubuntu-offtopic on Jun 21 2009 03:46:34 (ID: 14792) [21:18] The operation succeeded. [21:18] @btlogin [21:18] bot is slow [21:18] Seeker`: you already are loged in [21:18] can say that again [21:18] shadowwolf: give me a minute [21:18] k [21:18] !whoami [21:18] use @whoami [21:18] @whoami [21:18] gnomefreak [21:19] * gnomefreak logs in automagicly [21:21] ah yes, would you also be ilovellama? [21:21] nott exactly [21:21] not exactly? [21:21] that was another person using this server [21:22] im using a nintendo ds [21:23] shadowwolf: We had this conversation last night. What has changed since then? [21:23] nothing... but i had to leave [21:23] so im continuing it [21:23] Operators aren't like parents, you can't just go ask another one hoping for a different answer. [21:23] i never got an answer though [21:24] you kept trying to call me a liar [21:24] * gnomefreak is a parent [21:24] shadowwolf: Yeah, you did. You haven't done anything to make us think people using your server won't cause trouble, so we don't see any reason to risk it. [21:25] im not allowing anyone troublesome on IRC via my server [21:26] So, everyone who was using it before won't be using it again, and we won't be having any more issues from you or anyone else using your server? [21:26] like the person using the nick "ilovellama"... theyre not allowed on irc anymore [21:26] "not allowed"? [21:27] yes... they are people who live in my household [21:27] shadowwolf: And the person who was using your nick? what about the handful of others? [21:27] i control what they can and cant do [21:27] Through what methods? [21:28] because the only way they can access IRC is via NintendoDS... i take their DS's away when unsupervised [21:29] and when they are being supervised? [21:29] i watch what they do... even if they're only playing games.... its their punishmment [21:29] who are these other people? [21:30] my lil siblings [21:31] you are allowed to take away their DS? [21:31] yup [21:32] so how do you spend any time chatting if you are so busy supervising all of these lil siblings? [21:32] tthey dont mind... as long as they get a little time on it every day, theyre happy [21:32] i stand behind them when they're on their DS [21:33] so all i hav to do is look over there shoulder every minute or so just to peek at what theyre doing [21:34] sometimes i can just hear their games... like mario kart sound [21:34] i know what they're doing that was as well [21:34] way [21:35] im sorry ill be back in a little, i must eat dinner brb [21:35] I'm mostly satisfied, but I can't watch him in -ot to make sure he doesn't cause trouble for a few more hours [21:36] So, I'm bowing out of making any decision at the moment, etc. Someone else can feel free to. yadda yadda [21:36] I cant do any serious watching atm [21:37] unban him tomorrow and ill keep eye open but way to deep into fixing my set up [22:04] im back [22:04] sorry, where were we Seeker'? [22:07] Seeker`? [22:10] can someone please answer me? [22:14] so how can i get unbanned? [22:15] shadowwolf: you can be unbanned tomorrow [22:16] ? how does thatvwork? [22:16] that work [22:16] shadowwolf: because that is what we have decided [22:17] ? no.... im asking how do you unban someone? [22:17] type in a command [22:18] ohhhh.... how come you can type commands but i can't [22:18] because I am an op [22:18] is there any way for me to become an oP? [22:21] people are asked to be ops when they have been observed to contribute to the community over a length of time [22:21] typically, if you ask to be an op, you wont get it [22:22] ohhhh... that figures [22:22] lol [22:22] well..... i guess that just means i have to be good huh? [22:22] yup [22:22] shadowwolf: anything else? [22:23] ummmm.... you said id be unbanned tomorrow, correct? [22:24] yes [22:25] ok, is there a time as well, or at any time tomorrow? [22:28] sometime in the following 24-30 hours is a good guess. [22:29] ok.... thank you [22:38] Hi, would anyone be able to tell me why I'm banned from #ubuntu-offtopic? [22:42] @bansearch Bejeezus [22:43] Match: *!*jesus*@* by ChanServ in #ubuntu-offtopic on Mar 15 2009 06:41:29 (ID: 11001) [22:43]