/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2009/07/08/#kubuntu-devel.txt

ryanakcaCould an italophone please look over http://paste.ubuntu.com/212325/ ?02:25
vorianramalama03:03
skreech\o/03:56
skreechkdm broke on Jaunty03:56
skreechBah nevr mind it's probably the kernel03:58
skreechYup the kernel04:03
skreechSecond question though. Why does KDM insist on logging out users logged in on the tty even if none exist?04:04
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hsitterskreech: some weird bug, I never came to understand that one though06:03
hsitterit might be related to the graphics driver ... which would be weird, but still I have only heard of this on ATI chipsets06:04
* hsitter goes to dentist06:04
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Riddell~twitter update buenos dias from the new GCDS location09:48
kubotustatus updated09:48
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asacRiddell: hey. remember to talk to our plasma widget-nm upstream ;)10:21
Riddellmm, havn't seen him this morning10:23
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rgreeningRiddell: arora is getting more annoying by the day... 1) no open with context menu for links 2) no support for embedding or opening external programs (always wants to save). I believe both of these are mime releated issues.. grr..13:49
Riddellrgreening: we should start filing bugs for the most important issues13:55
Riddellrgreening: although in the first instance maybe ask icefox on #arora about stuff like that13:56
rgreeningRiddell: do we have a ninja owning arora :)13:56
Riddellhow do you mean?  smarter works on it13:56
rgreeningi.e. the plan to make it default13:56
Riddellit already is :)13:56
Riddellwe'll decide around beta whether to keep that13:56
rgreeninglol13:56
rgreeningok13:57
rgreeningI'll chat with icefox.. see where the next release stands and if any of those issues are bieng addressed13:57
* smarter waves13:58
smarterI started playing with kwallet dbus api(as we're trying to avoid linking with KDE)13:58
smarterthe goal would be to have a fd.o standard for keyring13:59
smarterand a single lib/tool to query the current keyring app13:59
Riddellthat's been talked about several times, nobody has gone and done it yet though13:59
smarteryup13:59
rgreeningsmarter: color me impressed :P14:00
smarterrgreening: I can't seem to parse that sentence :]14:01
rgreeninglol14:02
rgreeningits a saying... I am impressed basically, just more colorfully so :P14:02
smarteroh, ok ;)14:03
rgreeningI think its a great idea14:03
rgreeningthe more we can have common specs underneath, the better.14:03
sebas  Riddell: I'm in the hacklab, second floor now, catch me there14:29
Riddellsebas: I disagree, you're not in any of the rooms (and davidbarth moved so hard to meet you up with him anyway)14:47
sebasRiddell: eeh, I'm upstairs, but anyway, I don't *need* to meet14:48
sebasSorry if it's hard to catch me though, I was in a board meeting with the GNOMEs14:48
sebasIt's not like I prefer meeting to hacking or something14:48
=== Riddell changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | We need paperKuts! https://launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts
macohave any of you seen weirdness in Akregator where if you sort ascending by date, articles are single spaced, but if you sort descending, they're double spaced?15:28
a|wenmaco: i've experienced that some enties with line-break in the title will make all the entries double-space ... this only happens if the entry is part of the first page of visible entries15:34
macooooooh that's interesting, thanks!15:35
macothat's what it is!15:35
a|wenthat was a lucky hit :) ... probably a bug in any case i suspect15:35
macoprobably tries to make them uniform in height15:37
macoi'd just strip the \n15:38
macoor only include the first line15:38
a|wenyeah ... though it works fine when it moves down the list; the line-break is transformed to a long space, so why not do that always15:39
* ScottK hands a|wen bugs.kde.org15:40
a|wenwas pulling myself together for it ... but i'm still mildly stated not friends with their search-function15:42
macoits bugzilla. what more to say?15:42
a|wenexactly15:43
RiddellSput, EgS: either of you at GCDS?16:00
ScottKRiddell: I know Sput is in .au right now.16:03
a|wenmaco: which version of KDE did you experience it in?16:04
a|wenmaco: kde bug https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=199441 ... if you have experienced it in a newer version of KDE than me, please add a comment16:05
ubottuKDE bug 199441 in general "Inconsistent line-height of posts/entries in Akregator" [Normal,Unconfirmed]16:05
EgSRiddell: none of us16:05
RiddellEgS: that's fine, it was just someone who wanted to find you and report bugs in person :)16:11
ScottKSafer at a distance anyway.16:14
nixternalScottK: took a look at minirok...not gonna do it, relies on gstreamer for one and it is a bit buggy on the kde side...not much of a smaller foot print imho16:17
ScottKOK.  Good to know.16:18
nixternali did see something interesting that gave me an idea16:18
ScottKUh oh.16:18
nixternalthere is a video player plasmoid written with phonon, and that might be a pretty cool thing to look into...a plasmoid video and audio player...shouldn't be all that difficult, and it just needs to support the common methods16:19
ScottKSounds like worth looking into.16:19
ScottKHaving that embedded in the 'desktop' would be cool.16:19
nixternalright16:19
nixternalthe video part is done, minus some minor bug fixes16:20
nixternalthe audio portion would be really easy I think16:20
nixternalhell, with 5 lines of code you have an audio player16:20
nixternaladd some last.fm support, podcast support, and the simple stuff like that16:20
nixternaldaap16:20
nixternalall of the code is already out there too, which is nice16:20
macoa|wen, karmic's 4.2.95. comment added16:50
a|wenthx maco16:51
Riddellyuriy: you got a round of applause during my session for the openoffice KDE work16:57
yuriyRiddell: :) and shtylman i hope17:13
Riddellyes indeed17:13
nixternalI want a round of applause :(17:15
nixternalsomeone clap, do it now!!17:15
nixternalwhistle loudly too17:15
nixternalI still want to know why you guys were talking bad about me at gcds during the ev meeting :p17:16
Riddellhuh?  we were?17:16
Riddellnixternal: no round of applause yet but the openbossa guys (who are doing the plasma netbook stuff) are very excited about kubuntu netbook and are feeling the kubuntu love that you and ScottK have been working on it and interested in it17:18
ScottKRiddell: Please invite them to come hang out with us in #kubuntu-netbook.17:19
Riddellgood idea, I'll do that when I bump into them17:19
ScottKOn a related note, the carrying case for my mini 10v arrived today.  Still no actual netbook though.17:19
nixternallol17:20
nixternalI need a carrying case17:20
nixternalexit17:20
nixternalerr, that was weird17:20
nixternalhttp://www.rei.com/product/74854117:22
nixternalthat is the one I want17:22
ScottKIt's almost got a Debian swirl on it.17:23
nixternalya it does, they make really nice bags17:24
nixternalI have one of their larger bags that I used during my commute on a bik17:24
nixternalyou can't beat messenger bags17:24
nixternalOK, lunch time..I am starving...lots of rice today, mmmmmmm chinese food17:25
macoScottK, cool!17:29
Riddellasac: wstephenson says networkmanager widget is going through rewrite and has been broken for last month or so, not a good time to package it17:40
Riddellasac: he says he isn't aware of the passphrase changes in 0.7.1 and could you please forward him the relevant NM commits17:40
Riddellwstephenson@kde.org17:41
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asacRiddell: thanks. i think i know him from #nm channel ... thought he was only working on knetworkmanager (at least last time he said he had no business in it)17:49
Riddellhe's doing the plasma-widget-nm, someone else did knetworkmanager which is pretty unmaintained now17:53
Riddellhsitter: we should update the kde-l10n-xx packages18:01
hsitterRiddell: aye, grab the pagkes and run batl10n :)18:02
hsitterRiddell: that said, does KDE only release l10n packages after they are done removing/moving/renaming... the translation domains?18:02
Riddellwell it's RC time, nothing should be changing locatio now18:03
hsitterok18:03
Riddellwhat does batl10n do?18:03
hsitterRiddell: recompress the new tars, get old package, move old debian to new source, runs dch, debuilds, moves to seperate directory for upload18:04
hsitterI suppose there is a manpage18:04
Tm_Tdo we (Kubuntu) have any UbuntuOne development going on?18:09
ScottKTm_T: We (Kubuntu) don't, AFAIK, but we did have a session with the UbuntuOne people at UDS and I know they have some interest.18:11
ScottKThey also recently advertised for an Akonadi developer.18:11
Tm_TScottK: sounds good, I get more and more questions "when UBuntuOne will run in Kubuntu?"18:11
ScottKI'd ask them.18:12
Tm_TScottK: I'll try ask it again, haven't got any proper answer yet (or I have missed them)18:18
NightroseTm_T: there is a bug report on launchpad with the current status18:28
Tm_TNightrose: hmm, thanks (:18:28
Riddellactually they just demoed akonadi talking to couchDB (used by ubuntu one)18:42
hsitteruhm18:42
Tm_TRiddell: hmm, did jono dent it?18:43
kwwii_Riddell: just got your sms, I am back at home already18:43
Tm_T(what a word, dent)18:43
kwwii_Riddell: I did not take the photo, I just yelled at everyone to get in place :p18:43
hsitterRiddell: arora got no translation in place18:43
hsitternothing at all18:43
Tm_Thsitter: well, current git is broken and I don't know how I go back in revisions using git18:44
* hsitter doesn't know how to do that in any VCS :P18:44
Tm_Thsitter: in svn it's easy, just -r <revisionnumber>18:45
hsitterso, rather than going back, you should probably fix it :P18:45
Tm_Tbroke after some merge so no idea about it myself (:)18:45
hsitterTm_T: well, ask the google18:45
Tm_Thsitter: nah, I rather struggle with broken svn trunk builds18:46
hsitterthat can be fixed at least :P18:46
* Tm_T is using his gsm as net connection18:46
hsitterTm_T: do you know some arora dev?18:47
Tm_Thsitter: not yet (;18:47
Tm_Tor, atleast I don't know I know18:48
hsittergo find one and ask whether they will have translations by end of september18:48
hsittercause if not, I will kick it off the seed and free up space :P18:48
hsitterspace ftw!18:48
Riddellkwwii_: any idea who did take it then?18:48
Riddellhsitter: dpkg -L arora | grep local18:49
Riddellthat includes  /usr/share/arora/locale/de_DE.qm18:49
Riddellso it has translations in theory18:49
hsitterhm18:49
hsitterI am wondering where it is in the source18:50
hsitteranyway18:50
hsitterI am downloading current live18:50
hsittergotta give it a real live test18:50
Tm_Thsitter: I used my old charm in #arora18:50
hsitterRiddell: also got the qm files on jaunty, but arora is not willing to speak german to me18:51
hsitterOH18:51
hsitterOHHHHHH18:51
hsitterHelp -> Switch language18:52
Tm_Thsitter: should follow system settings, right?18:52
hsitterTm_T: screw that question ... new question is: will arora be able to actually use the system language18:52
ScottKIt'd be handy if Rosetta would speak .qm too18:52
Tm_Thsitter: well, I twisted it to distros and package maintaining18:53
hsitterso we can reduce the quality huh? :P18:53
ScottKhsitter: Yes.18:53
ScottKActually so that all the languages didn't take up CD space.18:53
hsitterthat being said18:54
hsitterplease make the arora package use LZMA18:55
hsitterhail lzma for decreased update time \o/18:55
Tm_Thsitter: http://code.google.com/p/arora/wiki/Translating18:56
Tm_Tthere you go son18:56
hsitter-(~/ISOs:$)-> env|grep LANG18:57
hsitterLANG=de_AT.UTF-818:57
hsitterLANGUAGE=de_AT:de18:57
hsitterTm_T: ^18:57
Tm_Thsitter: yes?18:57
hsitterwhy did my arora speak english18:57
Tm_Thsitter: you're saying it doesn't follow?18:57
hsitterlive cd will tell18:57
hsitterthat is, if it works in virtualbox18:58
hsitterwhich is doubtable18:58
Tm_Thsitter: hummm18:58
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Tm_T2057.10 < icefox> We have a Language class in Arora that is suppose to  correctly detect it, if it isn't working properly it should  be pretty easy to open up and see what is wrong18:58
hsitterRiddell: kdm autologin is broken on current live18:59
hsitteroh18:59
hsitteractually X is crashing18:59
hsitter\o/18:59
ScottKhsitter: You can't haz kernel mode setting no doubt.18:59
hsitteryeps19:00
hsitterso, karmic is broken beyond repair19:00
ScottKNo, just disable kms when you boot.19:00
hsitterScottK: how to19:00
ScottKSee the response to jjesse's latest on kubuntu-deve19:01
ScottKl19:01
hsitterIMHO one of those students who do analysis of floss should probably take a look at the pattern in which ubuntu foundations break :P19:01
* ScottK notices he forgot to eat today. See you all a bit later.19:06
hsittermeh, now the mouse is not working19:08
hsitter-.-19:08
hsitterTm_T: I have found the issue19:35
hsitterTm_T: it doesn't work if lang != local file19:36
hsitterso19:36
hsitterif I was using de_DE it would work19:36
Tm_Taww19:36
hsitterbut since I am on de_AT it doesn't19:36
hsitterso, I suppose the language class should have some fallback system19:37
Riddelldoes Qt really not handle this?19:48
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kwwii_Riddell: not sure who she was, but the (I think malaysian) girl took several fotos with her camera...I could have swore I saw her today at the airport20:13
kwwii_the race thing is just a total guess though, so nobody take it personaly20:14
kb9vqfHey, anyone here remember how the old KDE3.5 l10n packages were generated?20:36
kb9vqfIs there a master source package somewhere that I can download?20:37
* kb9vqf doesn't want to maintain several hundred l10n packages20:37
hsitterwell, not several hundred :P20:38
hsitterkb9vqf: there is no master source package20:38
hsitterthough, debian AFAIK maintained it in that way20:38
kb9vqfbummer20:38
kb9vqfmaybe I'll import from Debian then20:38
hsitterso you could take a look at that and adopt it for your ppa20:38
* kb9vqf was joking about the several hundred...it just looks that way at first glance20:39
kb9vqfthanks!20:39
ryanakcanhandler: http://wiki.ryanak.ca/kubuntu/ , look at You are here: :)21:12
nhandlerWhere am I?21:14
nhandlerOh, lol21:14
nhandlerryanakca: Is it working? It says Ryanak wiki and links to wiki.kubuntu.org. Would it work properly when live and correctly determine when to use wiki.ubuntu.com and wiki.kubuntu.org?21:15
ryanakcanhandler: No, the link will always go to wiki.kubuntu.org, but the name will say "Ubuntu" or "Kubuntu" ... If you *really* want me to, I can try to figure out how to use javascript inside of href="" tags though, just reopen the bug and assign me :)21:16
beda_I was trying to install kubuntu-daily build (karmic) but got this message. "Udevd [1974]: Worker 2120 unexpectedly returned with 0" You know why?21:17
beda_there was some I/O error on device sr0 as well21:17
nhandlerryanakca: Yeah, I think that would be nice ;) Sorry for the extra work21:17
ryanakcanhandler: no worries :)21:17
nhandlerryanakca: Done21:19
beda_kinda quiet here...21:22
a|wenbeda_: many of the regulars are at the desktop summit ... so very quiet atm.21:25
beda_ahh...21:25
a|wenbeda_: haven't heard about that error ... you might try in #ubuntu+1 or the like (udev is lower-level stuff, so not something we can do anything about)21:26
beda_ok21:26
beda_thanks21:26
a|wenat least I don't know anything about udev...21:29
hsitterseriously21:48
hsittertriaging kdepim is a big PITA21:48
hsitterI can't even reproduce half the crap due to lack of equipment21:49
nixternalhsitter: what do you need to triage? I might have the equip to help, unless you say a palm or some crap21:51
hsitterpalm21:51
hsitterkolab servers21:51
nixternalhaha, I figured as much21:52
hsitterthat kind of stuff21:52
nixternalyou can probably confirm every palm issue and send it upstream to be honest21:52
nixternallast I tried, which was within in the past 6 months, it was a mess21:52
nixternaland I am sure it still is21:52
* nixternal notes you don't have those problems with Irssi :p21:53
hsitterirssi vs. palm?21:53
nixternalno, smarter an ELITE_x21:53
nixternals/an/and21:53
ELITE_x^^21:53
* a|wen actually has an old palm in the basement21:54
hsittergo fix kpilot then :P21:55
hsitternixternal: and you go triage bugs :P21:55
a|wenwell all my current computers lack a serial port :P21:55
smarternixternal: I won't have those problems either if I had a quasselcore running on a distant server :p21:56
nixternalhsitter: what should I triage?21:57
nixternalgive me a list and I will do it21:57
hsitterbug 370526 is eww21:57
ubottuLaunchpad bug 370526 in kdepim "blank windows: X Error: BadWindow" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/37052621:57
nixternalright now, I would rather write code to be honest than deal with the slow ass Launchpad21:57
beda_Anyone working on kpackagekit (GUI mainly) I know Tonio_ is but he is not here?21:57
hsitternixternal: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdepim/+bugs?field.searchtext=&orderby=-importance&search=Search&field.status:list=NEW&assignee_option=any&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.bug_supervisor=&field.bug_commenter=&field.subscriber=&field.status_upstream-empty-marker=1&field.omit_dupes.used=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.has_patch.used=&field.has_cve.used=&field.tag=&field.tags_combinator=ANY21:57
nixternaljesus21:57
nixternalcan you tinyurl that please21:58
hsitterwith chrome launchpad is actually quite fast :P21:58
hsitternixternal: poor irssi, huh? :P21:58
ELITE_xahaha21:58
ELITE_xgood one21:58
ELITE_x:P21:58
hsitternixternal: http://tinyurl.com/kr3yc221:58
nixternalthat was a good one21:58
nixternalbut it is IRC ettiquette to actually shorten a URL instead of filling the screen21:58
hsitteryeah, because irssi users have problems opening it otherwise :P21:59
Monika|Kthere are clients where you can click on URLs ;)21:59
nixternalgui clients get in the way21:59
hsitterbesides21:59
* hsitter blames launchpad21:59
hsitterwhy does it add empty query fields21:59
nixternalthat means I have to use kdepim to triage this stuff22:00
hsitterwell, I don't use it either :P22:01
hsitterthough it is highly depressing22:01
Monika|KYou could triage Bug 39715522:01
nixternalhaha22:01
ubottuLaunchpad bug 397155 in kdebase "Plasma doesn't start after restart of X server" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/39715522:01
* hsitter leaves nixternal alone with kdepim and changes his urly to kde4libs22:02
nixternaldude, X doesn't even restart after restart of X server :p22:02
hsitterpoor X22:02
Monika|Kwhat?22:02
hsitterthough22:02
hsitterhold on!22:02
hsitterdidn't we like turn restart off by default?22:02
nixternalwell, he doesn't use ctrl+alt+backspace according to the report22:03
nixternalhe does it through ctrl+alt+del22:03
nixternalwhich made me chuckle22:03
Monika|KI have activated Ctrl+Alt+Backspace22:03
Monika|Kand it happens after reboot, too22:03
nixternalerr, that is Monika|K so she22:03
nixternal;p22:03
* nixternal tries ctrl+alt+del22:03
* hsitter notes that sometimes X restarts can cause quite awful issues, when not the whole session's apps quit22:03
hsitterwhich happens at times22:03
hsitterin general22:03
nixternalwhew, that scared me22:03
hsitterIMHO such stuff is to be expected22:04
nixternalthe screen went black for a second, before anything popped up22:04
Monika|Kbut then it shouldn't happen after a normal reboot, harald, should it?22:04
nixternalMonika|K: no it shouldn't22:04
hsitterno22:04
hsitterblame nvidia22:04
Monika|Kit's an ATI card22:04
hsitterblame ATI then22:04
Monika|KI do22:04
nixternalIn /var/log/Xorg.0.log there are no lines with (EE). Should I attach it anyway? Which other log files are relevant?22:04
Monika|Kdidn't solve the problem22:04
hsittercookies for intel I say22:05
nixternalMonika|K: ^^ yes, attach it, and also ~/.xsession-errors22:05
Monika|Kno Cookies for Intel22:05
Monika|Klots of pixely errors on my Netbook with Intel card22:05
* nixternal is guessing it is related to the dual screen config, though I do not have that issue at the moment (GO INTEL!)22:05
hsitterI don't get bug 27623922:06
ubottuLaunchpad bug 276239 in kde4libs "ctrl-c (copy) not work in kde4" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/27623922:06
hsittercopy always works for me22:06
hsitteralways worked for me22:06
hsittereven in the crazy times I used fluxbox and gnome22:06
hsittereven when I was on brokensuse and uglyredhat :P22:06
Monika|Khm, I am on Kubuntu 8.04 ... I can't access my ext4 file system for the 9.04 from here, can I?22:07
smarterhsitter: does ctrl+maj+z (undo) works for you?22:08
smarterit stopped working here after I upgraded to 4.3(beta1 iirc)22:08
hsitterwork where?22:08
nixternal"Hey we are in version 4.2.4 and this problem is not solved yet, why so?"   <- hsitter I hate when people do this....22:08
smarterhsitter: try kate22:08
nixternalresponse should be: "BECAUSE YOU HAVEN'T PAID YOUR BILL!"22:08
macosmarter, whats maj?22:08
hsitternixternal: +122:08
smarteroh22:08
smartershift22:08
hsitterlemme use that response and invalidfy :P22:09
smarterIt's majuscule in French, sorry ;)22:09
macoah22:09
* hsitter is wondering if maco doesn't speak french22:09
hsittersmarter: so where is that supposed to work, because it is really depending on the application22:09
macohsitter,  i decided spanish was easy and switched to a totally different language family for a challenge22:10
hsittersome apps doen't even support ctrl+shift+z but just ctrl+z22:10
macoi thought ctrl+z was the norm22:10
hsittermaco: I see :)22:10
hsitterwell22:10
hsitterwhat is norm anyway :P22:10
smarterhmm, I meant redo22:10
smarterso, launch Kate, type stuff, ctrl+z, ctrl+shift+z22:10
nixternalthought redo was ctrl+y22:10
hsittersmarter: get your shortcut setup right :P22:11
smarterctrl+maj+z, is for KDE, ctrl+y is for $restoftheworld22:11
hsitteroh22:11
nixternalright22:11
hsitterxmas songs \o/22:11
hsitteronly 6 months till xmas22:11
hsitterhrrrhrr22:11
macowhy is there kde v. restoftheworld?22:12
smarterno idea22:12
smarterso, does it work for you or not? :p22:13
hsitterwell, I am not on 4.322:14
hsitterthough, it is pretty much the same as with klipper22:14
hsitterworking + always worked22:15
smarteranyone on 4.3?22:16
smarterctrl+c is a bit of a black magic here, sometimes it copies, sometimes it doesn't, sometimes you get random stuff22:17
nixternalsmarter: I have witnessed that in the past actually22:26
nixternalhaven't tried recently, or don't remember trying recently at least22:26
smarterthe redo thing?22:26
smarterwell, just open kate :p22:26
nixternalno, ctrl+c pasting weird things at times22:27
heHATEmeyizidy22:38
hsitterwhy would I care about bug 381447 ?22:39
ubottuLaunchpad bug 381447 in kde4libs "kded can't find "kded/networkstatus.desktop"" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/38144722:39
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Monika|Kattached the files22:48
ryanakcanhandler: Try again :)22:53
ScottK-desktopMonika|K: (It didn't appear anyone answered this): No you can't access an ext4 partition from 8.04.  If you could you wouldn't want to ask ext4 a year and a half ago was pretty buggy.23:32
Monika|Kthanks for the answer, Scott23:33
Monika|Kit's not unstable anymore in 9.04, is it?23:34
ScottK-desktopIt's not perfect, but it's a supported file system.23:34

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