[00:00] <Ian_Corne> wow
[00:00] <Ian_Corne> yogg +0
[00:02] <Ian_Corne> wrong channel :)
[00:03] <BUGabundo> LOLOL
[00:04] <BUGabundo> Ian_Corne: team metting ?
[00:05] <Ian_Corne> no, world of warcraft talk :p
[00:20] <BUGabundo> ahaahhah
[00:25] <BUGabundo> wow https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/391398 is a mess
[00:31] <yofel> hm... might have triggered that today as well in gnome-terminal settings
[00:31] <yofel> at least klicking on a listbox crashed it
[00:34]  * BUGabundo has been afraid of using Open Menus for weeks
[00:44] <rww> oh god, that bug is so annoying
[00:48] <BUGabundo> rww: tell me about
[00:48] <BUGabundo> I used to crash FF several times a day
[01:21] <pace_t_zulu> hey guys, is banshee replacing rythmbox in karmic??
[01:22] <bazhang> yep
[01:33] <billybigrigger> yofel, you alive?
[01:33] <billybigrigger> yofel, you have any sound issues today after your fresh install?
[01:35] <yofel> billybigrigger: nope, works (still) fine
[01:35] <billybigrigger> hmm
[01:36] <yofel> billybigrigger: define sound problems
[01:36] <billybigrigger> using alsa or pulse?
[01:36] <billybigrigger> no sound in vlc
[01:36] <yofel> all I did was listen to some music
[01:36] <billybigrigger> i go to the audio preferences and pulse isn't even an option
[01:36] <billybigrigger> with what?
[01:37] <yofel> smplayer, give me a moment to test vlc
[01:38] <billybigrigger> when in vlc, goto preferences, then audio
[01:38] <billybigrigger> whats listed in the output dropdown?
[01:38] <yofel> billybigrigger: works fine *after* installing vlc-plugin-pulse
[01:39] <billybigrigger> right
[01:39] <billybigrigger> forgot about that :P
[01:39] <billybigrigger> thanks for the reminder
[01:40] <yofel> took me a few seconds to remember as well...
[01:40] <yofel> annoying...
[01:41] <billybigrigger> nope
[01:41] <billybigrigger> still not working
[01:42] <billybigrigger> *facepalm*
[01:42] <billybigrigger> helps when the speakers are turned up
[01:42] <billybigrigger> doh
[01:42] <billybigrigger> haha i usually keep them on and control with the media keys on the keyboard, i don't know why the speakers were down, haha i feel like a....well....not that bright :)
[01:43] <yofel> hrhr "Did you plug it in?..."
[01:48] <Kjell> Anyone know if it is safe now to upgrade jaunty to karmic now?
[01:50] <bazhang> Kjell, unlikely in the extreme
[02:09] <yofel> good night
[02:28] <nhasian> Kjell, i did and its running just fine
[02:29] <nhasian> Kjell, oh wait I take that back, i did a fresh install.  almost forgot
[02:29] <nhasian> Kjell, but Karmic is still running fine for me.
[03:34] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/394985
[03:34] <DanaG> yargh.
[03:35] <DanaG> oh, and: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/284319
[03:50] <BluesKaj> amarok2 is really unstable on my setup, can anyone recommend a decent audio player for network radio streams ?
[04:35] <linuxman410> is there not a kubuntu+1 channel
[04:35] <Pici> There is not
[04:36] <linuxman410> oh ok
[04:36] <thiebaude> hi everyone
[04:36] <thiebaude> i like the new 9.10 login
[04:36] <oldude67> hey is anyone else having problems of computer just going to login screen out of no where?
[04:37] <linuxman410> i am downloading kubuntu 9.10 have not tried it yet
[04:38] <thiebaude> linuxman410: im having no problems at all, except after login i get some gdm warning
[04:38] <oldude67> well other then getting knocked back to login in screen once in a while its not doing to bad..but...just annoying at times.
[04:39] <linuxman410> well i almost have it downloaded will let you know if i have any troubles
[04:40] <linuxman410> i ran 9.04 from beta and never had a problem
[04:40] <thiebaude> i did with the intel fiasco
[04:42] <oldude67> anyone got a suggestion as why im getting logged out for no reason..
[04:42] <oldude67> its not cause of any one key ...
[04:45] <RAOF> oldude67: I think that's a kinda-known gdm bug; once you've logged out the first time and log back in it no longer happens for me.
[04:46] <oldude67> ok well then its a known issue and im sure they're working on fixing it then. ty
[04:53] <oldude67> had an update todqy on gdm but dont think it fixed anything yet..so maybe in the next few days or so..no worries
[04:53] <oldude67> today^ ugh long day
[05:03] <oldude67> ah checking again now and there are more updates lets see if i get booted again..lmao
[05:03] <thiebaude> i'll check for updates too
[05:04] <oldude67> thiebaude, are you having issues as well with login and so forth?
[05:29] <oldude67> well updates didnt help yet...still did it again...right after i logged back in from a reboot....it booted me back to login screen again...ugh...wished i was smart enough to help fix the problem then to complain about it.lol
[08:06] <sahil> hello, what does karmic do differently with acpi than jaunty?
[08:19] <mase_work> sahil: pretty broad question
[08:19] <mase_work> sahil: what specifically would you like to know. There are a bunch of acpi changes in the kewer kernels
[08:20] <mase_work> you can check through the changelog on kernel.org if you really want to know
[08:20] <mase_work> absolutely everything that changed
[08:20] <sahil> mase work: i will, the reason i ask the question is that the koala install goes smoothly and acpi works and with jaunty it doesnt
[08:21] <sahil> with jaunty i have to turn acpi off to boot and install
[08:24] <mase_work> k well yeh you can have a look in the kernel logs to see which stuff affects your machine and do a git bisect to confirm it if you really want to know
[09:02] <nanomad> anyone is having problems with synaptics touchpad in karmic?
[09:03] <afv> what kind of problems?
[09:04] <nanomad> the touchpad isn't recognized
[09:04] <nanomad> mouse pointer won't move
[09:04] <nanomad> looks like an hal policy bug
[09:05] <afv> hmm.. no problems here..
[09:05] <nanomad> can I have a look at your lshal & lspci?
[09:07] <afv> just a moment
[09:07] <nanomad> afv, thanks
[09:09] <afv> sorry
[09:10] <afv> http://files.getdropbox.com/u/659315/lshal
[09:10] <afv> http://files.getdropbox.com/u/659315/lspci
[09:10] <afv> try with .txt at the end :p
[09:13] <nanomad> afv, are you running the latest updates?
[09:13] <afv> yes
[09:13] <afv> and hal was updated some hours ago
[09:13] <nanomad> mhh, i saw that
[09:14] <nanomad> actually, i'm running the latest daily live cd
[09:14] <nanomad> it could be that
[09:15] <afv> hmm.. i don't know :\
[09:40] <SiDi> Hi. is there still an issue with grub2 not letting you boot other distros when you install karmic on a machine ?
[09:42] <|ns|nR8> i installed older ubuntu before newer ubuntu with grub2 and it added the newer ubuntu to grub loader automatically
[09:42] <|ns|nR8> sorry installer older after
[09:43] <|ns|nR8> grub2 gave me troubles with not mounted other os's
[09:44] <|ns|nR8> install 9.04 after 9.10 and it works ok
[09:48] <SiDi> well, i don't really want to reinstall 9.04 :/
[09:57] <Ian_> SiDi:
[09:57] <Ian_> there's no problem anymore
[09:57] <Ian_> iirc
[09:57] <SiDi> Ian_: oh, ok
[09:57] <SiDi> thanks
[09:57] <Ian_> i dual boot windows at home np
[09:58] <Ian_> for gaming ofc
[09:58] <Ian_> don't shoot me!
[10:09] <SiDi> Ian_: depends, if you play an FPS i could shoot you :O
[10:09] <Ian_> hehe
[10:52] <dupondje> bleh :(
[10:52] <dupondje> first time I really needed to go back to Windows :(
[10:52] <dupondje> stupid flash, seems printing in flash doesn't work ?
[11:02] <Ian_> printing in flash?
[11:04] <dupondje> yea
[11:04] <dupondje> print from a flash page
[11:05] <dupondje> http://pbskids.org/curiousgeorge/games/snapshot/snapshot.html <- play it
[11:05] <dupondje> then try to print :P
[11:06] <Ian_> and what would you like to print?
[11:07] <Ian_> the printables?
[11:08] <Ian_> if that's it, i can print them with the yellow print button
[11:09] <eagles0513875> Ian_: any idea what kde svn repon the plasma-widget-network-manager would be in
[11:09] <Ian_> nope
[11:15] <dupondje> Ian_: No, play the game, take 6 pics, and then you can press print inside the flash
[11:16] <Ian_> sorry don't have time for that atm
[11:17] <dupondje> :p
[11:29] <ActionParsnip> hey guys
[12:06] <yofel> wtf? top tells me I have a system load of ~779 with my notebook doing nothing...
[12:15] <ActionParsnip> yofel: what is the most cpu intensive task
[12:19] <yofel> alex-weej: firefox
[12:20] <yofel> alex-weej: sorry, didn't mean you
[13:58] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[13:58] <afv> hey
[13:59] <yofel> hi BluesKaj
[14:00] <BluesKaj> has anyone used or been able to enable grub2-splashimages
[14:00] <BluesKaj> hi yofel
[14:01] <BluesKaj> I installed the deb , but it's not working/enabled for some reason...still got the same ol' ugly grub menu
[14:02] <yofel> BluesKaj: mom, billybringer posted a link where that's explained. let me search for it
[14:03] <yofel> you need to enable it in /etc/grub.d/05_... or so
[14:03] <yofel> since theming isn't yet supported in the current version
[14:05] <BluesKaj> yofel, I have some themes working on karmic , not all the available ones work even if they are installed
[14:06] <yofel> BluesKaj: can't find the right one, this explanation is similiar http://www.ubuntu-inside.me/2009/06/howto-change-grub2-grub-pc-splash-image.html
[14:07] <BluesKaj> thanks yofel
[14:07]  * BluesKaj reads
[14:08] <yofel> BluesKaj: found it after all http://members.iinet.net/~herman546/p20/GRUB2%20Splashimages.html
[14:08] <yofel> looking at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2#Theming *does* help sometimes :P
[14:29] <BluesKaj> yofel, your first URL post did the trick , the others are very similar and give the same instructions , but valuable nonetheless :)
[14:29] <BluesKaj> gonna reboot and check grub
[14:52] <rohdef> Pulseaudio can't find my sound card, I tried searching and found someone who fixed a similar problem by upgrading PA, but that didn't help me. Any ideas?
[15:05] <rohdef> ok, could my probplem by any chance have something to do with the user not being in any of the following groups? audio, pulse, pulse-access or pulse-rt,
[15:06] <Ian_> yes
[15:06] <Ian_> it could :)
[15:06] <Ian_> try audio first
[15:08] <rohdef> Ian_,  ok, can't I get you to check which groups the default user is in?
[15:16] <BluesKaj> hmmm, update-grub after changing the grub-splashimage in /etc/grub.d/05_debian_theme like this tutorial claims to : http://www.ubuntu-inside.me/2009/06/howto-change-grub2-grub-pc-splash-image.html
[15:17] <BluesKaj> well, it's not updating the theme
[15:23] <Whitor> hello world
[15:31] <rohdef> anyone who might know why GDK doesn't load anymore when booting?
[15:36] <arand> rohdef: GDM? There was a mail saying it would break recently...
[15:37] <rohdef> arand, ok, so it's something that will be fixed in some package update?
[15:38] <arand> let me get the mail text for ya, I think there was some trickery in straightening it out...
[15:39] <yofel> wasn't that only that it gdm will break when updating form ubuntu1 and 2 to ubuntu3 ?
[15:40] <yofel> other than that gdm works fine here, leaving aside the missing gdmsetup
[15:40] <afv> (working fine here too :))
[15:40] <afv> rohdef, when did you update?
[15:41] <arand> rohdef:  https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2009-July/000586.html
[15:41] <rohdef> today but the problem is older, a week or so
[15:41] <yofel> but maybe somebody could tell me what could drive top to give me load values of: load average: 779.14, 779.26, 779.16
[15:41] <rohdef> thanks
[15:41] <afv> :|
[15:41] <afv> "load average: 0.26, 0.25, 0.19"
[15:42] <yofel> afv: yeah, thats normal here as well...
[15:43] <afv> did you say firefox is the most cpu intensive task?
[15:43] <afv> how much is it using?
[15:44] <yofel> 10% cpu and 15% RAM
[15:44] <afv> looks "normal"..
[15:44] <yofel> but thats normal here, and usually doesn't lead to such insane load values
[15:50] <afv> i don't know then :\
[15:50] <yofel> some kernel quirk I guess...
[17:59] <safe> Hello, I am using 9.04 and suddenly all of my user settings are lost.
[17:59] <safe> It's like I am a new user.
[17:59] <Pici> safe: This channel is for 9.10 support and discussion, please use #ubuntu for all other releases.
[17:59] <safe> Also, I can't connect to the internet, Skype Pidgin and nm-applet are disappeared (but I think running).
[18:17] <reto`> hey... how about the new updates? any problems? I'm not sure if should try them out...
[19:00] <BluesKaj> hmm, installed graphicsmagick , but it' doesn't seem to be installed ..tried aptitude, apt , adept, and synaptic ...the results are all the same , not found in /usr/bin/ either
[19:02] <Pici> BluesKaj: What are you looking for in /usr/bin/ ? it looks like it only puts 'gm' in there
[19:06] <BluesKaj> ok Pici , where do i find the executeable ?
[19:23] <billybigrigger> afternoon all
[19:24] <yofel> hi billybigrigger
[19:24] <billybigrigger> yofel, howdy
[19:25] <billybigrigger> DanaG, hey
[19:25] <DanaG> y'ello.
[19:27] <charlie-tca__> Hello, billybigrigger
[19:28] <billybigrigger> ola senoir's
[19:28] <billybigrigger> pretty quiet on the updates today
[19:50] <yofel> let's hope that after the ubuntuone beta ppa updated its packages bug 395710 won't get any more duplicates...
[19:52] <billybigrigger> anyone here testing the new networkmanager ppa?
[19:53] <billybigrigger> network-manager:
[19:53] <billybigrigger>   Installed: 0.8~a~git.20090702t164632.9c8e600-0ubuntu1~nmt1
[19:53] <billybigrigger>   Candidate: 0.8~a~git.20090702t164632.9c8e600-0ubuntu1~nmt1
[19:53] <billybigrigger> everytime i login i have to disable, then re-enable my wired connection for it to get picked up
[19:56] <billybigrigger> and who here has a raid?
[19:56] <billybigrigger> i see mdadm auto mounts my raid, but i don't see an entry in fstab
[19:57] <billybigrigger> and its mounting to /media/<ARRAY UUID> and not the /media/storage dir i want
[20:01] <Sarvatt> billybigrigger: try making the network settings available to all users? its stopped remembering my saved keyring settings on login now and i have to reenter my password every time so it might be related
[20:01] <billybigrigger> i don't have to enter a pw for my wired connection
[20:02] <billybigrigger> unless im misunderstanding you
[20:02] <Sarvatt> right click connection icon, edit connections, click on the connection and go to edit and check the available to all users box maybe?
[20:03] <Giles> How do I stop this silly: 'These windows do not support "save current setup" and will have to restarted manually next time you log in' messages about Gdm-simple-greeter
[20:03] <Giles> it happens each time I log in.
[20:03] <billybigrigger> Sarvatt, its greyed out
[20:03] <billybigrigger> gnomefreak, hea
[20:04] <billybigrigger> how about a heya!?
[20:04] <Pici> Giles: Its a known issue
[20:04] <gnomefreak> billybigrigger: hi
[20:04] <Giles> Pici: ok thanks.
[20:04] <gnomefreak> Pici: what issue?
[20:04] <Sarvatt> darn its greyed out here too now
[20:04] <billybigrigger> running same version as me?
[20:04] <Pici> gnomefreak: the 'these windows do not support save current setup' message after you login.
[20:04] <Sarvatt> yep
[20:05] <billybigrigger> hmm
[20:05] <gnomefreak> Pici: ha yeah that
[20:05] <Sarvatt> maybe it works differently because of the whole policykit-1 stuff now and not working right yet
[20:05] <Giles> Pici: what about a password dialog to mount my NTFS partition, that pops up most times too.
[20:06] <Sarvatt> you can probably fix that by changing authorizations in system - administration - authorizations Giles
[20:06] <gnomefreak> Giles: that is annoying as hell
[20:06] <billybigrigger> i get a passwort prompt on everything, inserting usb thumb drive, and when i go to access my raid array
[20:06]  * gnomefreak off to work on this
[20:06] <Sarvatt> i dont, odd
[20:07] <Giles> gnomefreak: whats annoying as hell?
[20:07] <billybigrigger> Sarvatt, checking sys>admin>authorizations
[20:08] <Sarvatt> i've got myself as an explicit authorization for that stuff, but i have no darn clue how it all works
[20:08] <billybigrigger> i see network-manager-settings/system/Modify system connections
[20:08] <gnomefreak> Giles: the auto mount of crap including 2nd hard drive
[20:08] <billybigrigger> anyone no, console no, active console admin authenitcation
[20:08] <Giles> Sarvatt: I don't want it to mount my NTFS partitions at-all
[20:08] <billybigrigger> Sarvatt, whats yours say?
[20:09] <Sarvatt> admin authentication keep indefinitely
[20:09] <billybigrigger> hmmm
[20:09] <Sarvatt> user robert always authorized under explicit
[20:10] <billybigrigger> where did you set your user to always be authorized?
[20:10] <Sarvatt> next to explicit it has a grant button
[20:10] <Giles> Thats great, but why is it trying to mount my NTFS partition at login, I would like it to mount only when I tell it.
[20:11] <Giles> Then I would like it to ask me my pass.
[20:11] <Sarvatt> add it to fstab and noauto?
[20:11] <Sarvatt> ah
[20:11] <billybigrigger> Sarvatt, cool going to test it
[20:12] <Giles> Sarvatt: no its not in my fstab atall.
[20:12] <billybigrigger> Giles, add it
[20:12] <billybigrigger> with the noauto option
[20:12] <Giles> but, why should I need to now, whereas before it wasn't?
[20:12] <Giles> I just upgraded karmic, and it stopped working right.
[20:13] <Giles> Sarvatt: or is this a work-around?
[20:14] <Sarvatt> i have no idea, probably something with the change to devicekit-disks instead of hal, i dont understand how it works but i just added it to fstab to work around it for now
[20:14] <Giles> ok ta.
[20:15] <billybigrigger> Sarvatt, nope
[20:15] <Sarvatt> darn
[20:15] <billybigrigger> still have to disable and re-enable wired connection
[20:16] <Sarvatt> i had to do that on jaunty with my wireless if i didnt allow all users like that in network manager, but the allow all users thing is greyed out now so i cant do that anymore if i add a network
[20:16] <Sarvatt> had to disable and reenable it i mean
[20:16] <billybigrigger> ahh
[20:16] <billybigrigger> man i just sneezed about 20 times in a row
[20:17] <billybigrigger> look at all the pretty colors everyone!!!
[20:17] <robin0800> billybigrigger, Swine flu?
[20:17] <billybigrigger> maybe a bit
[20:18] <billybigrigger> wow, what a rush
[20:18] <billybigrigger> ok, so where to go from here Sarvatt file a bug? or keep playing with authorizations?
[20:18] <billybigrigger> its more a pita than anything, like i never get asked for a password prompt
[20:18] <billybigrigger> so i am authorized to enable networking....
[20:20] <billybigrigger> ohh, nice thunder and lighting storm...brb
[20:21] <Sarvatt> does your network-manager-applet say 0.7.0 too?
[20:21] <billybigrigger> yes
[20:21] <Sarvatt> hmm
[20:21] <billybigrigger> so does bugabundo
[20:21] <billybigrigger> 's
[20:21] <billybigrigger> i think he was going to mention that to asac
[20:22] <Sarvatt> wonder if we're using the old one still
[20:22] <billybigrigger> he said anyway, i don't know who hes talking about
[20:22] <billybigrigger> no no
[20:22] <billybigrigger> apt-policy shows the daily version from ppa
[20:22] <robin0800> Sarvatt, 071 here
[20:23] <Sarvatt> yeah we're using the daily builds of 0.8.0, i guess it would say 0.7.1 if we were using the old one still
[20:23] <billybigrigger> yeah
[20:26] <Sarvatt> http://git.gnome.org/cgit/network-manager-applet/commit/?id=6f0e0ae8e12672af6e11ac23172b4d35c1392320
[20:27] <billybigrigger> yesterday?
[20:27] <Sarvatt> going to try updating it and see if there are any changes
[20:27] <billybigrigger> i just did 30 mins ago, nothing but the banshee ppa
[20:29] <billybigrigger> anyone here using empathy to talk on google talk or msn right now?
[20:29] <billybigrigger> i can't seem to connect to either
[20:30] <Sarvatt> i mean manually updating it
[20:30] <Sarvatt> building a new package
[20:30] <billybigrigger> how do you go about doing that?
[20:30] <billybigrigger> :O
[20:30] <billybigrigger> i didn't know you could do that
[20:30] <billybigrigger> guess you have to be in the loop to know things like that eh Sarvatt ? :P
[20:33] <tgpraveen> billybigrigger: whats ur prob with gtalk voice chat?
[20:33] <billybigrigger> gtalk anything
[20:33] <billybigrigger> network error
[20:33] <tgpraveen> msn aint supported right now
[20:33] <Sarvatt> i'll link the new files when its done building if you want to test it, are you on i386 billybigrigger?
[20:33] <billybigrigger> can't connect to either
[20:33] <billybigrigger> nope
[20:33] <billybigrigger> amd64
[20:33] <Sarvatt> damn go figure
[20:33] <billybigrigger> hehe
[20:34] <Sarvatt> oops sorry for the language
[20:34] <billybigrigger> don't bother me
[20:34] <billybigrigger> tgpraveen, i can't connect to anything, just for regular im
[20:34] <tgpraveen> hmm. which version
[20:36] <billybigrigger> http://imagebin.ca/view/aKOwejm.html
[20:41] <billybigrigger> tgpraveen, ??
[20:41] <tgpraveen> checkin
[20:41] <billybigrigger> ahh ok
[20:42] <Sarvatt> billybigrigger: my x64 machine isnt set up right now and ppas are backed up for days. if you want to try it whenever it builds -- https://edge.launchpad.net/~sarvatt/+archive/more-bugs
[20:42] <tgpraveen> billybigrigger: r u using the daily ppa?
[20:42] <billybigrigger> tgpraveen, of empathy? yeah
[20:43] <billybigrigger> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/amoog/empathy-daily/ubuntu karmic main
[20:43] <billybigrigger> is that the right one?
[20:43] <tgpraveen> yeah
[20:43] <billybigrigger> Sarvatt, ok, ill keep an eye on it i guess :P
[20:43] <tgpraveen> i am on daily ppa too
[20:43] <tgpraveen> my gtalk works fine. i dont use msn
[20:43] <Sarvatt> you can grab the .orig.tar.gz .dsc and .diff.gz and dpkg-source -x blah.dsc then sudo apt-get build-dep network-manager-applet and debuild -uc -us -b from the network-manager-applet directory
[20:43] <tgpraveen> maybe try asking in #telepathy
[20:44] <billybigrigger> hmm
[20:45] <billybigrigger> Sarvatt, i can build that from my home?
[20:45] <Sarvatt> or just add the ppa and apt-get source network-manager-applet instead of grabbing the stuff manually
[20:45] <Sarvatt> yep
[20:45] <billybigrigger> k
[20:45] <billybigrigger> will build manually, im bored :P
[20:46] <Sarvatt> only takes a minute even on this crappy atom cpu :D
[20:46] <billybigrigger> i take it sudo dpkg-source?
[20:46] <Sarvatt> thats to extract it if you manually downloaded it
[20:47] <Sarvatt> apt-get source if its in your sources and you've updated them
[20:48] <billybigrigger> extract all or just the .dsc?
[20:49] <billybigrigger> tgpraveen, #telepathy is dead haha
[20:51] <yofel> billybigrigger: apt-get source *should* have unpacked it already
[20:52] <billybigrigger> where is nm-applet dir?
[20:52] <yofel> if you have the .dsc etc. files then the .dsc is enough
[20:52] <yofel> billybigrigger: what did you download
[20:52] <yofel> ?
[20:52] <billybigrigger> all three
[20:52] <yofel> then dpkg-source -x *.dsc
[20:52] <billybigrigger> and then dpkg-source -x blah.dsc
[20:53] <billybigrigger> then sudo apt-get build-dep network-manager-applet
[20:53] <billybigrigger> now i need to run debuild -uc -us -b from nm-applet dir
[20:53] <billybigrigger> but i can't find the dir
[20:53] <Sarvatt> replacing blah.dsc with the actual .dsc file name
[20:53] <billybigrigger> of course
[20:53] <yofel> good, then you should have a source directory calld network-manager-applet-$version
[20:53] <Sarvatt> cd network-manager <hit tab>
[20:53] <billybigrigger> ahh
[20:53] <billybigrigger> i was looking in /usr/bin and /usr/src
[20:54] <billybigrigger> not ~/network-xxxxxxxxxxxx
[20:54] <billybigrigger> :P
[20:54] <Sarvatt> you might need to sudo apt-get install devscripts too
[20:54] <billybigrigger> doing that now
[20:55] <billybigrigger> i can skip postfix config yes?
[20:55] <Sarvatt> yeah just purge it after :D
[20:55] <Sarvatt> hate how the mta is required for devscripts
[20:57]  * billybigrigger loves watching the compiler spit out garbe he doesn't understand
[20:57] <billybigrigger> :P
[20:57] <billybigrigger> garbage
[20:57] <billybigrigger> wow, can't type
[20:57] <billybigrigger> no errors
[20:57] <billybigrigger> now i get to reboot and see if its fixed! :P
[20:58] <Sarvatt> you'll have a network-manager-gnome deb in ../ afterwards you can install, just sudo apt-get install network-manager-gnome/karmic when you want to revert back to what you had before
[20:58] <billybigrigger> https://edge.launchpad.net/~sarvatt/+archive/more-bugs/+files/network-manager-applet_0.8~a~git.20090708t182005.7d53772b.orig.tar.gz
[20:58] <billybigrigger> oooops
[20:58] <Sarvatt> :D
[20:59] <billybigrigger> network-manager-gnome_0.8~a~git.20090708t182005.7d53772b-0ubuntu1~nmt1_amd64.deb
[20:59] <billybigrigger> thats the .deb i just compiled?
[20:59] <Sarvatt> yep
[20:59] <billybigrigger> whoopie!
[20:59] <billybigrigger> :P
[20:59] <billybigrigger> k gonna reboot
[20:59] <billybigrigger> oh
[20:59] <Sarvatt> i just kept the funky name and made it quick to test out
[21:00] <billybigrigger> Sarvatt, are you good with analyzing bootchart?
[21:00] <Sarvatt> whats the problem?
[21:00] <billybigrigger> i chopped down my boot times from 1:09 yesterday, and they were at 0:19 now im back up to :30+
[21:00] <billybigrigger> i have a bunch of lags i don't know how to remove them
[21:01] <Sarvatt> wow, 19 seconds is great
[21:01] <billybigrigger> http://imagebin.ca/view/E5K_pp.html
[21:01] <billybigrigger> ya it was great
[21:01] <billybigrigger> :P
[21:01] <Sarvatt> karmic went up 10 seconds vs jaunty for me
[21:01] <Pici> billybigrigger: Looks like you installed a new kernel version and thus dkms needed to run
[21:01] <Sarvatt> thats because of dkms
[21:02] <Sarvatt> yea what he said :D
[21:02] <Pici> or new drivers for dkms to compile
[21:02] <billybigrigger> happens after multiple reboots
[21:02] <billybigrigger> i was playing around with virtualbox networking yesterday
[21:02] <Pici> Its going to happen often on an alpha due to all the new packages we're getting.
[21:02] <Sarvatt> we had 2 or 3 kernel upgrades yesterday
[21:02] <billybigrigger> but its the same bootchart over and over
[21:02] <billybigrigger> hmm
[21:03] <billybigrigger> well ill see this time around
[21:03] <billybigrigger> nothing updated but network-manager-applet since last reboot
[21:03] <billybigrigger> brb
[21:03] <Pici> dkms shouldn't need compile every boot.
[21:03] <billybigrigger> no it shouldnt
[21:03] <Sarvatt> hopefully its gone this time, something with how you edited vbox probably if not
[21:03] <billybigrigger> http://pastebin.ca/1488779
[21:04] <billybigrigger> think the last entry is giving me problems?
[21:04] <billybigrigger> i think thats the only thing i was playing with yesterday
[21:04] <billybigrigger> which is something else i need to fix, my virtual server won't run with networking...so im hooped for all my mail from mailing lists :(
[21:05] <Sarvatt> i saw virtualbox 3 building on some PPAs yesterday
[21:05] <billybigrigger> nice
[21:05] <billybigrigger> i've been waiting for that
[21:05] <Pici> Probably
[21:05] <billybigrigger> im glad it made karmic :P
[21:06] <Sarvatt> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/virtualbox-ose
[21:06] <billybigrigger> so how far past import freeze do we still have to get pkgs added?
[21:06] <Sarvatt> click on the Other versions of 'virtualbox-ose' in untrusted archives. dropdown
[21:06] <billybigrigger> which ppa should i add?
[21:06] <Sarvatt> it'll get updated man, import freeze just means no automatic imports anymore and people have to manually do it :D
[21:06] <billybigrigger>   [PPA Archive]  PPA for VirtualBox  owned by Felix Geyer  ?
[21:07] <Sarvatt> no idea!
[21:07] <billybigrigger> hehe
[21:07] <Sarvatt> https://edge.launchpad.net/~debfx/+archive/virtualbox maybe?
[21:07] <billybigrigger> well ill remove this ose-guest module and see if thats the problem
[21:07] <billybigrigger> yeah thats felix's
[21:07] <billybigrigger> thats the one i was thinking
[21:08] <billybigrigger> more on that later :P brb
[21:11] <billybigrigger> nope
[21:12] <billybigrigger> nm-applet still being picky
[21:12] <billybigrigger> 0:19 boot again though
[21:12] <billybigrigger> after removing that one troubled vbox module from dkms
[21:13] <billybigrigger> tgpraveen, is there anything special i have to do for gtalk to work? what settings are you using for it? i can't connect, msn is working now though
[21:22] <yofel> asked that already, but does any of you guys have an idea what could cause the kernel to report me load values of  779.03, 779.08, 779.08
[21:23] <gnomefreak> is nautilus still crashing for anyone?
[21:23] <yofel> gnomefreak: with new ubuntuone, no
[21:23] <gnomefreak> it was ubuntuone causing nautilus crash?
[21:23] <yofel> at least if you mean a crash when you open computer:/// or trash:///
[21:24] <gnomefreak> i cant say that is right since nautilus crashes on the installer
[21:24] <yofel> well, thats the only crash I was getting
[21:24] <gnomefreak> i wasnt able to debug it last night but maybe ill try over weekend
[21:27] <beda_> hello folks.
[21:27] <beda_> I was trying to install kubuntu-daily build (karmic) but got this message. "Udevd [1974]: Worker 2120 unexpectedly returned with 0" You know why?
[21:27] <beda_> there was some I/O error on device sr0 as well
[21:29] <GHellings> I'm trying out Karmic to see how it's handling my SoundBlaster X-Fi card... so far, no luck.
[21:30] <GHellings> It's only recognizing the device as [HD-Audio Generic] and producing no sound output.
[21:31] <billybigrigger> tgpraveen, add me to gtalk so i can test this
[21:31] <billybigrigger> thefrozencanuck@gmail.com
[21:31] <billybigrigger> then you can delete me
[21:32] <billybigrigger> haha why does gnome-do crash with "Do.exe" cause a problem
[21:32] <yofel> billybigrigger: mono?
[21:33] <yofel> I just had to kill it because gnome-do from their ppa has a memleak an was using >1G RAM :(
[21:33] <Sarvatt> billybigrigger: look at the comment log here -- http://cgit.freedesktop.org/NetworkManager/NetworkManager/commit/?id=c9067d8fedf6f6f2d530fd68bbfca7ce68638d38
[21:34] <Sarvatt> everything: use libgudev instead of HAL; merge NM and nm-system-settings
[21:34] <Sarvatt> The only thing that doesn't work yet is the system-settings service's "auto eth" connections for ethernet devices that don't have an existing connection.
[21:34] <gnomefreak> billybigrigger: for email addresses its best  to use AT and DOT so bots scanning wont add it and bring spam to it
[21:34] <Sarvatt> so maybe make an explicit connection instead of using the auto one?
[21:34] <billybigrigger> gnomefreak, thanks for the tip, never thought of that :P
[21:34] <Dimitree> where is the Login appearance option in Administration ?
[21:35] <Sarvatt> gone now
[21:35] <billybigrigger> Dimitree, new gdm doesn't have one
[21:35] <Dimitree> billybigrigger, i get an error on each restart about that gdm that it must be manually restarted or something ... what should i do ?
[21:36] <billybigrigger> have you updated lately?
[21:36] <Sarvatt> ignore it until its fixed
[21:36] <Dimitree> ok Sarvatt
[21:36] <billybigrigger> oh, talking about the gdm greeter bug?
[21:36] <Sarvatt> the joys of using an early alpha :)
[21:36] <billybigrigger> i thought it was making you restart each time you login
[21:37] <billybigrigger> Sarvatt, ok, i made a manual entry in nm, will try now
[21:37] <beda_> so nobody knows what this error is all about ""Udevd [1974]: Worker 2120 unexpectedly returned with 0"
[21:37] <Sarvatt> i just built a new network manager snapshot too but i saw that in the changelogs
[21:38] <Dimitree> Any idea if the update removed my custom DVB-S2 drivers, or the Kaffeine build for 9.10 is broken ?
[21:39] <Sarvatt> udev isnt loading v4l things right for me either (no webcam modules being loaded)
[21:40] <beda_> Sarvatt: what is udev anyway?
[21:42] <Sarvatt> it handles loading/unloading modules in the kernel
[21:42] <billybigrigger> Sarvatt, 10-4
[21:42] <beda_> Sarvatt: hmm... did you get a "Buffer I/O erro on device..." as well?
[21:43] <billybigrigger> my gspca/sonixj webcam isn't working
[21:43] <Sarvatt> billybigrigger: it worked?
[21:43] <billybigrigger> Sarvatt, what did?
[21:43] <billybigrigger> i havent rebooted
[21:43] <billybigrigger> yet
[21:43] <billybigrigger> Sarvatt, i can help ya with that webcam problem if you'd like :P or be happy to test, i would like my cam working in .31
[21:44] <Sarvatt> oh thought you were talking about the network thing
[21:44] <billybigrigger> 10-4 on the udev problem
[21:48]  * BUGabundo the beared guy, say moooo o/
[21:49] <robin0800> BUGabundo, it should be honk honk for swine flu
[21:49] <BUGabundo> ahah
[21:49] <BUGabundo> so how is the SSH exploit hitting you guys?
[21:51] <SwedeMike> BUGabundo: still a rumour.
[21:52] <charlie-tca__> BUGabundo: do you know any Xubuntu Karmic users using localized desktops? (with other than English)
[21:52] <BUGabundo> no charlie-tca__
[21:52] <BUGabundo> I new two but one is no more
[21:52] <charlie-tca__> Thanks
[21:52] <BUGabundo> and lost track of the other
[21:52] <BUGabundo> :(
[21:52] <charlie-tca__> :-(
[21:53] <charlie-tca__> Well, karmic on Xubuntu is not very good right now
[21:53] <BUGabundo> :(
[21:53] <BUGabundo> why?
[21:53] <charlie-tca__> Anyone else got Xubuntu Karmic?
[21:54] <charlie-tca__> apparently the new gdm changes are causing many things to quit for us
[21:54] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca__: *if* I have the time tomorrow I'll try a VM
[21:54] <charlie-tca__> The cd's only install the gnome desktop
[21:54] <BUGabundo> I need to connect to over 100 REHL machines for mantaneince :(
[21:55] <charlie-tca__> I can't use SSH, SSHFS, brasero won't work, blank cd-r is not recognized, network connection is slow
[21:55] <robin0800> charlie-tca__, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/9.10/alpha-2/
[21:55] <charlie-tca__> the little things
[21:56] <charlie-tca__> robin0800: I know, but I run an install everyday here
[21:56] <charlie-tca__> Also running karmic on this machine
[21:56] <robin0800> charlie-tca__, lucky you
[21:56] <charlie-tca__> yeah
[21:57] <charlie-tca__> Somebody got to test this stuff ;-)
[21:57] <charlie-tca__> and, it seems it is *still* alpha
[21:58] <charlie-tca__> But at least today I could actually log in
[21:58] <billybigrigger> Sarvatt, nope
[21:58] <billybigrigger> Sarvatt, can't even get a connection when i add one manually
[21:58] <GHellings> Regular Karmic desktop has been quitting semi-regularly on me, charlie-tca__
[21:58] <billybigrigger> dhcp works, but still doesn't connect upon gnome login
[21:59] <charlie-tca__> I got it made then. It hasn't quit on me at all
[21:59] <yofel> hasn't quit on me as well
[21:59] <GHellings> And no sound, to boot!
[21:59] <robin0800> nor me
[22:00] <Bmw1000c> BUGabundo pvt
[22:00] <GHellings> Of course, sound didn't work in 9.04 either, so I was really only holding out a fool's hope. :)
[22:00] <charlie-tca__> of course
[22:00] <charlie-tca__> Was that a fresh install?
[22:00] <GHellings> No, I'm going to try that later today.
[22:01] <charlie-tca__> That's what I did. It seems to be working here anyway
[22:01] <GHellings> I have the X-Fi, with it's still beta-at-best driver.
[22:01] <GHellings> And the driver doesn't seem to be recognizing the card.
[22:02] <charlie-tca__> yeah... Google just took gmail out of beta after, what, 4 years?
[22:03] <GHellings> More like 7 or 9
[22:03] <charlie-tca__> Just think, got nowhere to go but improve now!
[22:03] <charlie-tca__> :-)
[22:04] <GHellings> I wish all betas were as stable as GMail. Or as functional!
[22:19] <BUGabundo> DanaG: ping was it you who had trouble with webcam ? or was it billybigrigger ?
[22:20] <billybigrigger> me
[22:20] <billybigrigger> ever since .31
[22:20] <BUGabundo> ok
[22:20] <BUGabundo> talking to my driver dev
[22:20] <BUGabundo> let me see if I can make him cam her
[22:20] <BUGabundo> *come here
[22:21] <billybigrigger> your driver dev? did you hire him? :)
[22:21] <BUGabundo> naaaa
[22:22] <BUGabundo> he has been doing a great work with 05e3:0503
[22:22] <BUGabundo> an now we have a now version with gspca
[22:22] <billybigrigger> oh
[22:22] <billybigrigger> Bus 003 Device 002: ID 045e:00f7 Microsoft Corp. LifeCam VX-1000
[22:22] <dupondje> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/aptitude/+bug/391035
[22:23] <dupondje> can somebody confirm ?
[22:23] <billybigrigger> nope
[22:23] <billybigrigger> my downloads are always shown
[22:24] <dupondje> weird
[22:24] <dupondje> here it starts showing
[22:24] <dupondje> and suddenly
[22:24] <dupondje> it stops
[22:24] <yofel> what I get sometimes is that after the update is finished it doesn't get redrawn, but I think thats something with compiz
[22:25] <yofel> or kwin since it only happens in yakuake
[22:25] <yofel> but I get the feeling that I heard somebody saying that a while ago too
[22:26] <billybigrigger> gnome needs something like yakuake
[22:26] <billybigrigger> i liked it, but not worth install all those qt libs
[22:26] <yofel> billybigrigger: there's tilda and guake, but neither really suits me
[22:26] <billybigrigger> and i found out gnome-terminal had tabs so it sits in gnome dock now :P works just as good
[22:27] <billybigrigger> BUGabundo, you have any problems with the daily build of nm-applet not connecting your wired connection upon gnome login?
[22:27] <yofel> tilda and guake both look like gnome-terminal maximized with F11 but only taking up the top half of the screen -> urgh
[22:27] <BUGabundo> nol: welcome
[22:28] <BUGabundo> nol meet #ubuntu+1 folks
[22:28] <nol> hi
[22:28] <BUGabundo> folks meet nol, the hard working guy behing my webcam driver
[22:28]  * BUGabundo takes a look at the build of the driver
[22:28]  * GHellings greets nol
[22:29] <yofel> hi nol
[22:32] <BUGabundo> eheh such a great welcome
[22:33] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: let nol fix his latest mess, and let see if he can help you out too
[22:33] <charlie-tca__> Hello, nol
[22:33] <billybigrigger> ola nol
[22:36] <billybigrigger> ok so i don't even know where to begin
[22:36] <billybigrigger> what webcam do you have BUGabundo ?
[22:36] <billybigrigger> and what module does it use?
[22:36] <DanaG> networkmanager PPA? Where?
[22:37] <billybigrigger> DanaG, lemme dig it up
[22:37] <billybigrigger> http://ppa.launchpad.net/network-manager/trunk/ubuntu
[22:37] <DanaG> Right now, I just have the ModemManager one.
[22:37] <billybigrigger> hah my bad
[22:38] <nol> BUGabundu has a Genesys Logic 05e3:0503
[22:38] <nol> We are testing a driver intended to be included in GSPCA
[22:39] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: oh come on! stop giving away kewl secret stuff!
[22:39] <BUGabundo> I want to keep NM 0-8 just for me :))
[22:39] <dupondje> argh
[22:39] <BUGabundo> DanaG: there are 3 PPAs
[22:39] <billybigrigger> oops
[22:39] <billybigrigger> haha
[22:39] <billybigrigger> my bad boogoboontooo
[22:39] <BUGabundo> one with 0.8 +mondem manager
[22:39] <dupondje> stupid gdm, why does it sometimes logouts without any reason :'(
[22:39] <BUGabundo> one with 0.7+modem manager
[22:39] <BUGabundo> and one with jut 0.7.1
[22:40]  * BUGabundo Kernel build directory is /lib/modules/2.6.31-1-generic/build
[22:40] <BUGabundo> make -C /lib/modules/2.6.31-1-generic/build SUBDIRS=/home/bugabundo/temp/gspca_final/gspca-45dd40f72cb0/v4l  modules
[22:40] <billybigrigger> http://pastebin.ca/1488874
[22:40] <billybigrigger> thats what i get when i load up cheese and the webcam light goes on
[22:40] <billybigrigger> but nothing but green shows up
[22:42] <billybigrigger> will paste my /var/log/udev now, that parts that pertain to gspca anyway
[22:42] <DanaG> oh yeah, I added nm-applet to the gdm init, so now it has networking.
[22:43] <DanaG> Oh, and you can enable the media-keys thing there, too.
[22:43] <soc> mhh, doies someone get that dpkg error too?
[22:43] <billybigrigger> http://pastebin.ca/1488880 <<---/var/log/udev
[22:44] <billybigrigger> nol, lsmod shows gspca_sonixj           24064  0
[22:44] <billybigrigger> gspca_main             26592  1 gspca_sonixj
[22:44] <billybigrigger> this helping at all?
[22:45] <billybigrigger> lsusb shows Bus 003 Device 002: ID 045e:00f7 Microsoft Corp. LifeCam VX-1000
[22:45] <DanaG> http://vidner.net/martin/software/cnetworkmanager/
[22:45] <nol> there is a fix today about sonixj in the gspca repository
[22:45] <DanaG> spiffy.
[22:45] <billybigrigger> nol, really?
[22:46] <BUGabundo> see billybigriggerl? are I a great resource to know ? ahah
[22:46] <nol> yes
[22:46] <billybigrigger> :P
[22:46] <billybigrigger> BUGabundo, eff eh
[22:46] <billybigrigger> effin eh
[22:46] <billybigrigger> anywho
[22:46] <billybigrigger> what does it fix?
[22:50] <nol> http://linuxtv.org/hg/~jfrancois/gspca/
[22:50] <nol> something about sensor initialisation, don't know if it can help you
[22:52] <BUGabundo> shee nol soooo many more errors now! see pvt
[22:52] <billybigrigger> that sounds like my problem
[22:53] <BUGabundo> WOOT
[22:53] <BUGabundo> now you only need the next kernel build
[22:53] <billybigrigger> i just can't find out where in my log it reported about senor problem
[22:53] <billybigrigger> BUGabundo, if it makes .31-3
[22:53] <billybigrigger> oh nevermind
[22:53] <billybigrigger> i should think before i speak :P
[22:53] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: daily kernel ?
[22:53] <billybigrigger> gpsca is built into the kernel :P
[22:53] <billybigrigger> ooooh
[22:53] <billybigrigger> daily kernel, sounds verry....interesting :P
[22:55] <billybigrigger> so that fix has already been added to the kernel?
[22:55] <billybigrigger> or is it waiting to be pushed?
[22:57] <billybigrigger> nol, so whats the quickest way i can get that fix?
[22:57] <billybigrigger> or do i have to wait for that fix to be added to gpsca, then the kernel, then ubuntu's kernel?
[22:58] <BUGabundo> it was TODAYS change!
[22:58] <billybigrigger> oh
[22:59] <billybigrigger> today's change to gpsca though
[22:59] <billybigrigger> it still has to make its way to the kernel, i don't see anything on the kernel snapshot for today at kernel.org
[23:29] <billybigrigger> wow i sure know how to kill a conversation today
[23:31] <skkulduger> Hooray! :)
[23:31] <skkulduger> Ok having a little issue with the installer essentially within 10 minutes of it starting Ubiquity crashes
[23:32] <skkulduger> trying to crash it again to get a backtrace. This is the daily CD from two days ago
[23:35] <skkulduger> I knew I should have gotten the alternate installer >_>
[23:36] <billybigrigger> oh
[23:36] <billybigrigger> i could have told you daily cd doesn't work :P
[23:36] <skkulduger> THanks!
[23:36] <billybigrigger> better off getting june's A2 cd
[23:36] <billybigrigger> im sure yofel could too
[23:36] <billybigrigger> :P
[23:36] <skkulduger> WEll I got one from last week and it worked but I don't have it with me now :(
[23:36] <skkulduger> What doesn't work specfically?
[23:37] <yofel> billybigrigger: yup :P
[23:38] <skkulduger> :-) What doesn't work?
[23:39] <yofel> skkulduger: when I tried the daily yesterday it didn't even boot
[23:39] <yofel> didn't even start to boot
[23:41] <Skkullduger> http://paste.ubuntu.com/213271/
[23:41] <Skkullduger> Looks like trying to update the GUI got it messed up
[23:53] <afv> anyone having problems with firefox-3.5 and flash?
[23:55] <BUGabundo> afv: define probs?
[23:55] <afv> yes
[23:55] <afv> crashing after visiting (or during the visit) to a site with flash..
[23:55] <afv> and errors like this ones (but i don't know if it is related)
[23:56] <afv> (firefox-3.5:21833): Gdk-WARNING **: XID collision, trouble ahead
[23:56] <afv> (firefox-3.5:21833): GLib-GObject-WARNING **: /build/buildd/glib2.0-2.21.3/gobject/gsignal.c:2387: instance `0xa76df500' has no handler with id `5439'
[23:56] <afv> (firefox-3.5:21833): Gdk-CRITICAL **: gdk_x11_xatom_to_atom_for_display: assertion `xatom != None' failed
[23:56] <skkuldugger> I have a healthy disrepsect for Arora now :)
[23:56] <afv> it also crashed viewing fullscreen flash videos but solved running with "LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/libGL.so.1 firefox-3.5"