[00:00] wow [00:00] yogg +0 [00:02] wrong channel :) [00:03] LOLOL [00:04] Ian_Corne: team metting ? [00:05] no, world of warcraft talk :p [00:20] ahaahhah === WelshDragon is now known as YDdraigGoch [00:25] wow https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/391398 is a mess [00:25] Ubuntu bug 391398 in gtk+2.0 "Applications segfault with gtk+ version 2.17.2 when selecting listbox values" [High,Confirmed] [00:31] hm... might have triggered that today as well in gnome-terminal settings [00:31] at least klicking on a listbox crashed it [00:34] * BUGabundo has been afraid of using Open Menus for weeks [00:44] oh god, that bug is so annoying [00:48] rww: tell me about [00:48] I used to crash FF several times a day [01:21] hey guys, is banshee replacing rythmbox in karmic?? [01:22] yep [01:33] yofel, you alive? [01:33] yofel, you have any sound issues today after your fresh install? [01:35] billybigrigger: nope, works (still) fine [01:35] hmm [01:36] billybigrigger: define sound problems [01:36] using alsa or pulse? [01:36] no sound in vlc [01:36] all I did was listen to some music [01:36] i go to the audio preferences and pulse isn't even an option [01:36] with what? [01:37] smplayer, give me a moment to test vlc [01:38] when in vlc, goto preferences, then audio [01:38] whats listed in the output dropdown? [01:38] billybigrigger: works fine *after* installing vlc-plugin-pulse [01:39] right [01:39] forgot about that :P [01:39] thanks for the reminder [01:40] took me a few seconds to remember as well... [01:40] annoying... [01:41] nope [01:41] still not working [01:42] *facepalm* [01:42] helps when the speakers are turned up [01:42] doh [01:42] haha i usually keep them on and control with the media keys on the keyboard, i don't know why the speakers were down, haha i feel like a....well....not that bright :) [01:43] hrhr "Did you plug it in?..." [01:48] Anyone know if it is safe now to upgrade jaunty to karmic now? [01:50] Kjell, unlikely in the extreme [02:09] good night [02:28] Kjell, i did and its running just fine [02:29] Kjell, oh wait I take that back, i did a fresh install. almost forgot [02:29] Kjell, but Karmic is still running fine for me. [03:34] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/394985 [03:34] yargh. [03:34] Ubuntu bug 394985 in fglrx-installer "fglrx: Unknown symbol find_task_by_vpid" [High,Confirmed] [03:35] oh, and: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/284319 [03:35] Ubuntu bug 284319 in linux "mute, brightness buttons on new HP 6930p laptop" [Undecided,New] [03:50] amarok2 is really unstable on my setup, can anyone recommend a decent audio player for network radio streams ? [04:35] is there not a kubuntu+1 channel [04:35] There is not [04:36] oh ok [04:36] hi everyone [04:36] i like the new 9.10 login [04:36] hey is anyone else having problems of computer just going to login screen out of no where? [04:37] i am downloading kubuntu 9.10 have not tried it yet [04:38] linuxman410: im having no problems at all, except after login i get some gdm warning [04:38] well other then getting knocked back to login in screen once in a while its not doing to bad..but...just annoying at times. [04:39] well i almost have it downloaded will let you know if i have any troubles [04:40] i ran 9.04 from beta and never had a problem [04:40] i did with the intel fiasco [04:42] anyone got a suggestion as why im getting logged out for no reason.. [04:42] its not cause of any one key ... [04:45] oldude67: I think that's a kinda-known gdm bug; once you've logged out the first time and log back in it no longer happens for me. [04:46] ok well then its a known issue and im sure they're working on fixing it then. ty [04:53] had an update todqy on gdm but dont think it fixed anything yet..so maybe in the next few days or so..no worries [04:53] today^ ugh long day [05:03] ah checking again now and there are more updates lets see if i get booted again..lmao [05:03] i'll check for updates too [05:04] thiebaude, are you having issues as well with login and so forth? [05:29] well updates didnt help yet...still did it again...right after i logged back in from a reboot....it booted me back to login screen again...ugh...wished i was smart enough to help fix the problem then to complain about it.lol === FFForever-Away is now known as FFForever === FFForever is now known as FFForever-Away === FFForever-Away is now known as FFForever === fddfoo is now known as fdd === FFForever is now known as FFForever-Away [08:06] hello, what does karmic do differently with acpi than jaunty? [08:19] sahil: pretty broad question [08:19] sahil: what specifically would you like to know. There are a bunch of acpi changes in the kewer kernels [08:20] you can check through the changelog on kernel.org if you really want to know [08:20] absolutely everything that changed [08:20] mase work: i will, the reason i ask the question is that the koala install goes smoothly and acpi works and with jaunty it doesnt [08:21] with jaunty i have to turn acpi off to boot and install [08:24] k well yeh you can have a look in the kernel logs to see which stuff affects your machine and do a git bisect to confirm it if you really want to know [09:02] anyone is having problems with synaptics touchpad in karmic? [09:03] what kind of problems? [09:04] the touchpad isn't recognized [09:04] mouse pointer won't move [09:04] looks like an hal policy bug [09:05] hmm.. no problems here.. [09:05] can I have a look at your lshal & lspci? [09:07] just a moment [09:07] afv, thanks [09:09] sorry [09:10] http://files.getdropbox.com/u/659315/lshal [09:10] http://files.getdropbox.com/u/659315/lspci [09:10] try with .txt at the end :p [09:13] afv, are you running the latest updates? [09:13] yes [09:13] and hal was updated some hours ago [09:13] mhh, i saw that [09:14] actually, i'm running the latest daily live cd [09:14] it could be that [09:15] hmm.. i don't know :\ [09:40] Hi. is there still an issue with grub2 not letting you boot other distros when you install karmic on a machine ? [09:42] <|ns|nR8> i installed older ubuntu before newer ubuntu with grub2 and it added the newer ubuntu to grub loader automatically [09:42] <|ns|nR8> sorry installer older after [09:43] <|ns|nR8> grub2 gave me troubles with not mounted other os's [09:44] <|ns|nR8> install 9.04 after 9.10 and it works ok [09:48] well, i don't really want to reinstall 9.04 :/ [09:57] SiDi: [09:57] there's no problem anymore [09:57] iirc [09:57] Ian_: oh, ok [09:57] thanks [09:57] i dual boot windows at home np [09:58] for gaming ofc [09:58] don't shoot me! [10:09] Ian_: depends, if you play an FPS i could shoot you :O [10:09] hehe [10:52] bleh :( [10:52] first time I really needed to go back to Windows :( [10:52] stupid flash, seems printing in flash doesn't work ? [11:02] printing in flash? [11:04] yea [11:04] print from a flash page [11:05] http://pbskids.org/curiousgeorge/games/snapshot/snapshot.html <- play it [11:05] then try to print :P [11:06] and what would you like to print? [11:07] the printables? [11:08] if that's it, i can print them with the yellow print button [11:09] Ian_: any idea what kde svn repon the plasma-widget-network-manager would be in [11:09] nope === muibe_ is now known as muibe [11:15] Ian_: No, play the game, take 6 pics, and then you can press print inside the flash [11:16] sorry don't have time for that atm [11:17] :p === yofel_ is now known as yofel [11:29] hey guys [12:06] wtf? top tells me I have a system load of ~779 with my notebook doing nothing... [12:15] yofel: what is the most cpu intensive task [12:19] alex-weej: firefox [12:20] alex-weej: sorry, didn't mean you [13:58] Hey all [13:58] hey [13:59] hi BluesKaj [14:00] has anyone used or been able to enable grub2-splashimages [14:00] hi yofel === akgraner__ is now known as akgraner [14:01] I installed the deb , but it's not working/enabled for some reason...still got the same ol' ugly grub menu [14:02] BluesKaj: mom, billybringer posted a link where that's explained. let me search for it [14:03] you need to enable it in /etc/grub.d/05_... or so [14:03] since theming isn't yet supported in the current version [14:05] yofel, I have some themes working on karmic , not all the available ones work even if they are installed [14:06] BluesKaj: can't find the right one, this explanation is similiar http://www.ubuntu-inside.me/2009/06/howto-change-grub2-grub-pc-splash-image.html [14:07] thanks yofel [14:07] * BluesKaj reads [14:08] BluesKaj: found it after all http://members.iinet.net/~herman546/p20/GRUB2%20Splashimages.html [14:08] looking at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2#Theming *does* help sometimes :P [14:29] yofel, your first URL post did the trick , the others are very similar and give the same instructions , but valuable nonetheless :) [14:29] gonna reboot and check grub [14:52] Pulseaudio can't find my sound card, I tried searching and found someone who fixed a similar problem by upgrading PA, but that didn't help me. Any ideas? [15:05] ok, could my probplem by any chance have something to do with the user not being in any of the following groups? audio, pulse, pulse-access or pulse-rt, [15:06] yes [15:06] it could :) [15:06] try audio first [15:08] Ian_, ok, can't I get you to check which groups the default user is in? [15:16] hmmm, update-grub after changing the grub-splashimage in /etc/grub.d/05_debian_theme like this tutorial claims to : http://www.ubuntu-inside.me/2009/06/howto-change-grub2-grub-pc-splash-image.html [15:17] well, it's not updating the theme [15:23] hello world [15:31] anyone who might know why GDK doesn't load anymore when booting? [15:36] rohdef: GDM? There was a mail saying it would break recently... [15:37] arand, ok, so it's something that will be fixed in some package update? [15:38] let me get the mail text for ya, I think there was some trickery in straightening it out... [15:39] wasn't that only that it gdm will break when updating form ubuntu1 and 2 to ubuntu3 ? [15:40] other than that gdm works fine here, leaving aside the missing gdmsetup [15:40] (working fine here too :)) [15:40] rohdef, when did you update? [15:41] rohdef: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2009-July/000586.html [15:41] today but the problem is older, a week or so [15:41] but maybe somebody could tell me what could drive top to give me load values of: load average: 779.14, 779.26, 779.16 [15:41] thanks [15:41] :| [15:41] "load average: 0.26, 0.25, 0.19" [15:42] afv: yeah, thats normal here as well... [15:43] did you say firefox is the most cpu intensive task? [15:43] how much is it using? [15:44] 10% cpu and 15% RAM [15:44] looks "normal".. [15:44] but thats normal here, and usually doesn't lead to such insane load values [15:50] i don't know then :\ [15:50] some kernel quirk I guess... === Richie is now known as YDdraigGoch === linuxman410 is now known as linuxman410|bbl === ScriptRipper_ is now known as ScriptRipper === linuxman410|bbl is now known as linuxman410 === yofel_ is now known as yofel [17:59] Hello, I am using 9.04 and suddenly all of my user settings are lost. [17:59] It's like I am a new user. [17:59] safe: This channel is for 9.10 support and discussion, please use #ubuntu for all other releases. [17:59] Also, I can't connect to the internet, Skype Pidgin and nm-applet are disappeared (but I think running). [18:17] hey... how about the new updates? any problems? I'm not sure if should try them out... === FFForever-Away is now known as FFForever [19:00] hmm, installed graphicsmagick , but it' doesn't seem to be installed ..tried aptitude, apt , adept, and synaptic ...the results are all the same , not found in /usr/bin/ either [19:02] BluesKaj: What are you looking for in /usr/bin/ ? it looks like it only puts 'gm' in there [19:06] ok Pici , where do i find the executeable ? [19:23] afternoon all [19:24] hi billybigrigger [19:24] yofel, howdy [19:25] DanaG, hey [19:25] y'ello. [19:27] Hello, billybigrigger [19:28] ola senoir's [19:28] pretty quiet on the updates today [19:50] let's hope that after the ubuntuone beta ppa updated its packages bug 395710 won't get any more duplicates... [19:50] Launchpad bug 395710 in ubuntuone-client "Opening "Places/Computer" nautilus crash with Segmentation fault" [Critical,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/395710 === FFForever is now known as FFForever-Away [19:52] anyone here testing the new networkmanager ppa? [19:53] network-manager: [19:53] Installed: 0.8~a~git.20090702t164632.9c8e600-0ubuntu1~nmt1 [19:53] Candidate: 0.8~a~git.20090702t164632.9c8e600-0ubuntu1~nmt1 [19:53] everytime i login i have to disable, then re-enable my wired connection for it to get picked up [19:56] and who here has a raid? [19:56] i see mdadm auto mounts my raid, but i don't see an entry in fstab [19:57] and its mounting to /media/ and not the /media/storage dir i want [20:01] billybigrigger: try making the network settings available to all users? its stopped remembering my saved keyring settings on login now and i have to reenter my password every time so it might be related [20:01] i don't have to enter a pw for my wired connection [20:02] unless im misunderstanding you [20:02] right click connection icon, edit connections, click on the connection and go to edit and check the available to all users box maybe? [20:03] How do I stop this silly: 'These windows do not support "save current setup" and will have to restarted manually next time you log in' messages about Gdm-simple-greeter [20:03] it happens each time I log in. [20:03] Sarvatt, its greyed out [20:03] gnomefreak, hea [20:04] how about a heya!? [20:04] Giles: Its a known issue [20:04] billybigrigger: hi [20:04] Pici: ok thanks. [20:04] Pici: what issue? [20:04] darn its greyed out here too now [20:04] running same version as me? [20:04] gnomefreak: the 'these windows do not support save current setup' message after you login. [20:04] yep [20:05] hmm [20:05] Pici: ha yeah that [20:05] maybe it works differently because of the whole policykit-1 stuff now and not working right yet [20:05] Pici: what about a password dialog to mount my NTFS partition, that pops up most times too. [20:06] you can probably fix that by changing authorizations in system - administration - authorizations Giles [20:06] Giles: that is annoying as hell [20:06] i get a passwort prompt on everything, inserting usb thumb drive, and when i go to access my raid array [20:06] * gnomefreak off to work on this [20:06] i dont, odd [20:07] gnomefreak: whats annoying as hell? [20:07] Sarvatt, checking sys>admin>authorizations [20:08] i've got myself as an explicit authorization for that stuff, but i have no darn clue how it all works [20:08] i see network-manager-settings/system/Modify system connections [20:08] Giles: the auto mount of crap including 2nd hard drive [20:08] anyone no, console no, active console admin authenitcation [20:08] Sarvatt: I don't want it to mount my NTFS partitions at-all [20:08] Sarvatt, whats yours say? [20:09] admin authentication keep indefinitely [20:09] hmmm [20:09] user robert always authorized under explicit [20:10] where did you set your user to always be authorized? [20:10] next to explicit it has a grant button [20:10] Thats great, but why is it trying to mount my NTFS partition at login, I would like it to mount only when I tell it. [20:11] Then I would like it to ask me my pass. [20:11] add it to fstab and noauto? [20:11] ah [20:11] Sarvatt, cool going to test it [20:12] Sarvatt: no its not in my fstab atall. [20:12] Giles, add it [20:12] with the noauto option [20:12] but, why should I need to now, whereas before it wasn't? [20:12] I just upgraded karmic, and it stopped working right. [20:13] Sarvatt: or is this a work-around? [20:14] i have no idea, probably something with the change to devicekit-disks instead of hal, i dont understand how it works but i just added it to fstab to work around it for now [20:14] ok ta. [20:15] Sarvatt, nope [20:15] darn [20:15] still have to disable and re-enable wired connection [20:16] i had to do that on jaunty with my wireless if i didnt allow all users like that in network manager, but the allow all users thing is greyed out now so i cant do that anymore if i add a network [20:16] had to disable and reenable it i mean [20:16] ahh [20:16] man i just sneezed about 20 times in a row [20:17] look at all the pretty colors everyone!!! [20:17] billybigrigger, Swine flu? [20:17] maybe a bit [20:18] wow, what a rush [20:18] ok, so where to go from here Sarvatt file a bug? or keep playing with authorizations? [20:18] its more a pita than anything, like i never get asked for a password prompt [20:18] so i am authorized to enable networking.... [20:20] ohh, nice thunder and lighting storm...brb [20:21] does your network-manager-applet say 0.7.0 too? [20:21] yes [20:21] hmm [20:21] so does bugabundo [20:21] 's [20:21] i think he was going to mention that to asac [20:22] wonder if we're using the old one still [20:22] he said anyway, i don't know who hes talking about [20:22] no no [20:22] apt-policy shows the daily version from ppa [20:22] Sarvatt, 071 here [20:23] yeah we're using the daily builds of 0.8.0, i guess it would say 0.7.1 if we were using the old one still [20:23] yeah [20:26] http://git.gnome.org/cgit/network-manager-applet/commit/?id=6f0e0ae8e12672af6e11ac23172b4d35c1392320 [20:27] yesterday? [20:27] going to try updating it and see if there are any changes [20:27] i just did 30 mins ago, nothing but the banshee ppa [20:29] anyone here using empathy to talk on google talk or msn right now? [20:29] i can't seem to connect to either [20:30] i mean manually updating it [20:30] building a new package [20:30] how do you go about doing that? [20:30] :O [20:30] i didn't know you could do that [20:30] guess you have to be in the loop to know things like that eh Sarvatt ? :P [20:33] billybigrigger: whats ur prob with gtalk voice chat? [20:33] gtalk anything [20:33] network error [20:33] msn aint supported right now [20:33] i'll link the new files when its done building if you want to test it, are you on i386 billybigrigger? [20:33] can't connect to either [20:33] nope [20:33] amd64 [20:33] damn go figure [20:33] hehe [20:34] oops sorry for the language [20:34] don't bother me [20:34] tgpraveen, i can't connect to anything, just for regular im [20:34] hmm. which version [20:36] http://imagebin.ca/view/aKOwejm.html [20:41] tgpraveen, ?? [20:41] checkin [20:41] ahh ok [20:42] billybigrigger: my x64 machine isnt set up right now and ppas are backed up for days. if you want to try it whenever it builds -- https://edge.launchpad.net/~sarvatt/+archive/more-bugs [20:42] billybigrigger: r u using the daily ppa? [20:42] tgpraveen, of empathy? yeah [20:43] deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/amoog/empathy-daily/ubuntu karmic main [20:43] is that the right one? [20:43] yeah [20:43] Sarvatt, ok, ill keep an eye on it i guess :P [20:43] i am on daily ppa too [20:43] my gtalk works fine. i dont use msn [20:43] you can grab the .orig.tar.gz .dsc and .diff.gz and dpkg-source -x blah.dsc then sudo apt-get build-dep network-manager-applet and debuild -uc -us -b from the network-manager-applet directory [20:43] maybe try asking in #telepathy [20:44] hmm [20:45] Sarvatt, i can build that from my home? [20:45] or just add the ppa and apt-get source network-manager-applet instead of grabbing the stuff manually [20:45] yep [20:45] k [20:45] will build manually, im bored :P [20:46] only takes a minute even on this crappy atom cpu :D [20:46] i take it sudo dpkg-source? [20:46] thats to extract it if you manually downloaded it [20:47] apt-get source if its in your sources and you've updated them [20:48] extract all or just the .dsc? [20:49] tgpraveen, #telepathy is dead haha [20:51] billybigrigger: apt-get source *should* have unpacked it already [20:52] where is nm-applet dir? [20:52] if you have the .dsc etc. files then the .dsc is enough [20:52] billybigrigger: what did you download [20:52] ? [20:52] all three [20:52] then dpkg-source -x *.dsc [20:52] and then dpkg-source -x blah.dsc [20:53] then sudo apt-get build-dep network-manager-applet [20:53] now i need to run debuild -uc -us -b from nm-applet dir [20:53] but i can't find the dir [20:53] replacing blah.dsc with the actual .dsc file name [20:53] of course [20:53] good, then you should have a source directory calld network-manager-applet-$version [20:53] cd network-manager [20:53] ahh [20:53] i was looking in /usr/bin and /usr/src [20:54] not ~/network-xxxxxxxxxxxx [20:54] :P [20:54] you might need to sudo apt-get install devscripts too [20:54] doing that now [20:55] i can skip postfix config yes? [20:55] yeah just purge it after :D [20:55] hate how the mta is required for devscripts [20:57] * billybigrigger loves watching the compiler spit out garbe he doesn't understand [20:57] :P [20:57] garbage [20:57] wow, can't type [20:57] no errors [20:57] now i get to reboot and see if its fixed! :P [20:58] you'll have a network-manager-gnome deb in ../ afterwards you can install, just sudo apt-get install network-manager-gnome/karmic when you want to revert back to what you had before [20:58] https://edge.launchpad.net/~sarvatt/+archive/more-bugs/+files/network-manager-applet_0.8~a~git.20090708t182005.7d53772b.orig.tar.gz [20:58] oooops [20:58] :D [20:59] network-manager-gnome_0.8~a~git.20090708t182005.7d53772b-0ubuntu1~nmt1_amd64.deb [20:59] thats the .deb i just compiled? [20:59] yep [20:59] whoopie! [20:59] :P [20:59] k gonna reboot [20:59] oh [20:59] i just kept the funky name and made it quick to test out [21:00] Sarvatt, are you good with analyzing bootchart? [21:00] whats the problem? [21:00] i chopped down my boot times from 1:09 yesterday, and they were at 0:19 now im back up to :30+ [21:00] i have a bunch of lags i don't know how to remove them [21:01] wow, 19 seconds is great [21:01] http://imagebin.ca/view/E5K_pp.html [21:01] ya it was great [21:01] :P [21:01] karmic went up 10 seconds vs jaunty for me [21:01] billybigrigger: Looks like you installed a new kernel version and thus dkms needed to run [21:01] thats because of dkms [21:02] yea what he said :D [21:02] or new drivers for dkms to compile [21:02] happens after multiple reboots [21:02] i was playing around with virtualbox networking yesterday [21:02]