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| neilv | hi. i reported a DoS security bug against ubuntu's packaging of apache. there's been no apparent activity, a week later. is this typical? | 01:15 |
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| Ampelbein | neilv: have you subscribed the security-team? | 01:15 |
| neilv | they are subscribed. i flagged it as a security bug from the start | 01:16 |
| neilv | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apache2/+bug/394350 | 01:16 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 394350 in apache2 "RLimitCPU has no effect in Apache" [Undecided,Incomplete] | 01:16 |
| Ampelbein | hmm, you seem to have done everything correctly. try #ubuntu-hardened or #ubuntu-server and see if a security-team member is around. | 01:18 |
| neilv | thanks | 01:18 |
| rjmoore | hello!!! | 06:40 |
| rjmoore | i know that this is not a support channel but do you think someone could help me figure out a problem with the repositories?? | 06:40 |
| pitti | Good morning | 07:09 |
| asac_ | mvo: did you change apt to hold back stuff that breaks something rather than removing? | 10:03 |
| asac_ | i rmember that seb wanted you to do that last sprint | 10:03 |
| mvo | asac I have not changed that code, its a fiddling beast. if you have a good example situation I can look at it again | 10:03 |
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| mvo | now would be a good time I guess | 10:03 |
| asac | mvo: please look at NM ppa | 10:03 |
| asac | mvo: i have added a breaks libmbca0 to mobile-broadband-provider-info | 10:04 |
| asac | but it seems taht apt is holding the upgrade back now | 10:04 |
| asac | instead of removing | 10:04 |
| asac | mvo: should i have used a conflicts rather? | 10:04 |
| asac | https://edge.launchpad.net/~network-manager/+archive/ppa | 10:05 |
| asac | 11:00 [freenode] [torgny_j(n=quassel@94.191.168.84.bredband.tre.se)] The following packages have been kept back: | 10:05 |
| asac | 11:00 [freenode] [torgny_j(n=quassel@94.191.168.84.bredband.tre.se)] mobile-broadband-provider-info network-manager-gnome udev-extras | 10:05 |
| asac | i forgot to remove libmbca0 from the Recommends of network-manager-gnome | 10:05 |
| asac | i how thats not the reason ;) | 10:05 |
| mvo | asac: what is the output of -o Debug::pkgProblemResolver=true ? | 10:07 |
| asac | mvo: i asked him | 10:10 |
| asac | what does "Enhances: " mean? | 10:10 |
| mvo | asac: not a lot currently, its something like a reverse suggests | 10:10 |
| mvo | asac: but its not used by apt | 10:10 |
| mvo | (or any other tool) | 10:10 |
| asac | good. then why are folks using it ;) | 10:10 |
| asac | just to confuse me ;) | 10:11 |
| mvo | probably | 10:23 |
| seb128 | pitti, hey | 11:15 |
| seb128 | pitti, can you build ppa builds priorities too? | 11:15 |
| seb128 | bump priority rather | 11:15 |
| pitti | seb128: hey | 11:17 |
| pitti | seb128: yes, I can | 11:17 |
| seb128 | pitti, https://edge.launchpad.net/~rodrigo-moya/+archive/ppa | 11:17 |
| seb128 | pitti, can you bump the json-glib build there? | 11:18 |
| asac | 11:27 < asac> ppa weather: http://identi.ca/notice/6188970 | 11:18 |
| asac | ;) | 11:18 |
| seb128 | pitti, some people need that to do a demo at GUADEC after lunch | 11:18 |
| pitti | seb128: done | 11:18 |
| seb128 | pitti, thanks | 11:18 |
| pitti | wow, the PPAs have a huge backlog | 11:19 |
| asac | right | 11:19 |
| asac | http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/ppa-builders.png | 11:19 |
| asac | http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/ppa-builders2.png | 11:19 |
| asac | now we have 6 builders again at least on i386 | 11:19 |
| seb128 | pitti, can you do the same for the karmic version there? | 11:23 |
| pitti | seb128: bumped | 11:24 |
| seb128 | pitti, danke | 11:24 |
| pitti | seb128: jaunty all built | 11:24 |
| seb128 | excellent | 11:24 |
| seb128 | pitti, btw gnome bug #586708 might be the bump you were looking for about gvfs | 11:25 |
| ubottu | Gnome bug 586708 in general "User Choice of VFAT Mount Option" [Enhancement,Unconfirmed] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=586708 | 11:25 |
| asac | mvo: http://paste.ubuntu.com/212636/ | 11:26 |
| asac | mvo: so situation is: old mobile-broadband-provider-info depends on libmbca0 ... new one breaks libmbca0; new udev-extras seems to conflict with hotkey-setup | 11:27 |
| asac | mvo: what does the number mean after the package name? | 11:30 |
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| chrisccoulson | pitti - just looking at the GDM source - do you agree that the only reason GDM needs to depend on gnome-session right now is because it needs to tell the session manager what autostart directory to use, and other session managers don't support this? | 12:07 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: well, gdm itself is half of a GNOME session now | 12:08 |
| pitti | so it certainly needs gnome-session-bin | 12:08 |
| pitti | but we don't need gnome-session's dependencies and shipped .desktop files | 12:08 |
| pitti | (which is what they split out in Debian, AFAIK) | 12:08 |
| chrisccoulson | i'm just wondering if it's possible to use other session managers to load the GDM session, but they would need to support the "--autostart" option to specify what autostart directory to use | 12:09 |
| chrisccoulson | the only reason i mention it is because it looks like xubuntu will have to have both gnome-session and xfce4-session by default now, unless i'm misunderstanding something | 12:10 |
| chrisccoulson | if that's the case, perhaps the right thing to do is to adapt xfce4-session so that it can load the GDM session | 12:11 |
| pitti | ah, perhaps yes; I haven't looked into it that deeply | 12:11 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: but as a first mitigation, I think merging with Debian and just depending on -bin should work | 12:11 |
| pitti | then this at least stops pulling in gnome-panel, nautilus, compiz, etc. | 12:11 |
| seb128 | gdm is the GNOME display manager, I don't see the issue with depending on gnome-session | 12:12 |
| chrisccoulson | i had a look at the xfce4-source, and it seems possible to do that - as long as that is the only reason GDM needs gnome-session | 12:12 |
| seb128 | xfce can use xdm they want or something else | 12:12 |
| chrisccoulson | hi seb128 | 12:13 |
| seb128 | hey chrisccoulson | 12:13 |
| chrisccoulson | having a good week? | 12:13 |
| seb128 | yes! | 12:14 |
| seb128 | yes! | 12:14 |
| seb128 | out of the internet connection there | 12:14 |
| seb128 | GUADEC core is over now though | 12:15 |
| didrocks | hey o/ | 12:19 |
| didrocks | same internet connection at RMLL :( | 12:19 |
| seb128 | hello didrocks | 12:23 |
| seb128 | didrocks, how is that going? | 12:23 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128 - were you involved with any tracker discussions at GUADEC? ;) | 12:27 |
| seb128 | not really, they have a hacking session this afternoon but I'm flying back today | 12:28 |
| seb128 | anything you wanted to know about it? | 12:28 |
| seb128 | I don't think there is much new out of what has been on planet recently | 12:28 |
| chrisccoulson | it was just more for general interest really | 12:28 |
| seb128 | ok | 12:33 |
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| asac | udev (142-2) breaks dmsetup (<= 2:1.02.27-4ubuntu5) | 12:38 |
| asac | pitti: do you in which way it breaks it? | 12:38 |
| * asac tries to get udev >= 142 to jaunty | 12:39 | |
| mdz | I just re-enabled desktop effects (had been unstable earlier in karmic), and now gnome-session is continuously respawning metacity (which fails because compiz is running) | 12:40 |
| seb128 | mdz, right several people have been running into this issue | 12:42 |
| mdz | seb128, is bug 389686 the best one for this issue? | 12:44 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 389686 in metacity "compiz --replace fails to kill metacity, resulting in cpu overload" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/389686 | 12:44 |
| seb128 | mdz, I've not looked to bugs too much this week but I think you can use this one, the other comments I did read are confusing "gconf is using too much cpu" | 12:45 |
| mvo | asac: the number is the score that apt assigns to the package (how important it thinks it is) | 12:45 |
| asac | yeah | 12:45 |
| asac | so seems udev-extras isnt important enough to make hotkey-setup go away | 12:46 |
| asac | same for libmbca0 breaks | 12:46 |
| asac | mvo: so conflicting is better than breaks maybe? | 12:46 |
| mdz | seb128, ok, I'm marking that one triaged and moving it to gnome-session (since that seems a more likely culprit than metacity) | 12:47 |
| seb128 | mdz, thanks | 12:47 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, do you think you could have a look to this one? | 12:48 |
| chrisccoulson | yeah, i can take a look at that. although, gnome-session hasn't really changed yet in karmic | 12:49 |
| chrisccoulson | but, i suppose that doesn't mean it isn't a gnome-session bug | 12:49 |
| seb128 | right | 12:49 |
| mvo | asac: what do you want to archieve that libca0 gets removed from the users system? the effect should be the same, in both cases the score is calculated the same way | 12:54 |
| asac | mvo: well. new mobile-broadband-provider-info would break libmbca0 parser | 12:55 |
| asac | so it doesnt work again | 12:55 |
| seb128 | lunch time bbl | 12:55 |
| asac | also the new nm-gnome applet doesnt need libmbca0 anymore | 12:55 |
| asac | so it can go away | 12:55 |
| asac | mvo: we could just keep libmbca0 installed ... that wouldnt hurt, because noone is using it. but it wouldnt be just to not conflict/breaks on it i think | 12:56 |
| mvo | asac: well, if there is a new version that supports the new format the lib should be updated. | 12:56 |
| mvo | asac: it will be picked up as a automatic deepndency if nothing is using it anymore | 12:56 |
| asac | mvo: there is no version | 12:56 |
| mvo | asac: so that should be fine, at most the next release upgrade will rmeove it automatically | 12:56 |
| asac | its supposed to die imo | 12:57 |
| asac | so only solution is to make libmbca0 an empty package? | 12:57 |
| chrisccoulson | mdz - i can't test this metacity respawing issue until i get home, but, jut out of interest - what is the output of "gconftool-2 -g /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager" just after you've enabled desktop effects? | 12:58 |
| asac | mvo: and let it slowly die by dist upgrader? | 12:58 |
| chrisccoulson | does it still say metacity? | 12:58 |
| mvo | well, or making sure that its not used by anything anymore and using the break or conflict | 12:58 |
| mvo | but the score of 1 indicates that something is still depending on it | 12:58 |
| mdz | chrisccoulson, it says compiz right now (after letting it spin for a long time and then running killall metacity) | 12:59 |
| chrisccoulson | mdz - thanks. i'll take more of an in depth look at it later, but the fact that it stops if you run "killall metacity" makes it look like it's actually a metacity bug - it's probably asking to be restarted | 13:01 |
| mdz | chrisccoulson, ok, feel free to move it back, I was guessing | 13:02 |
| asac | mvo: are you talking about libmbca0? nothing uses it afaik | 13:02 |
| asac | mvo: at least after the upgrade | 13:02 |
| chrisccoulson | no problem. i'll leave it as it is for now | 13:02 |
| asac | mvo: only thing i forgot is a recommends in the -gnome package | 13:02 |
| chrisccoulson | thanks | 13:02 |
| asac | mvo: is that a problem? | 13:02 |
| asac | e.g. do recommends bring a score of 1? | 13:02 |
| mvo | asac: in the past it did not, but I fixed that recently, not sure if you version is affected or not. I think I need to re-create the situation in a chroot to check - do you get this on your machine or is it from a user bugreport? | 13:04 |
| asac | mvo: so you say recommends now bring in a score? that would explain it | 13:05 |
| asac | no need to reproduce if it doesnt go away after removing recommends ill let you know | 13:05 |
| pitti | asac: breaks> no idea, I'm afraid; Keybuk? | 13:26 |
| Keybuk | hmm? | 13:27 |
| pitti | asac| udev (142-2) breaks dmsetup (<= 2:1.02.27-4ubuntu5) | 13:28 |
| pitti | asac| pitti: do you in which way it breaks it? | 13:28 |
| pitti | -*- asac tries to get udev >= 142 to jaunty | 13:28 |
| asac | Keybuk: do i need to backport devmapper 2:1.02.27-4ubuntu6 from karmic or was the break introduced because it needed a rebuild? | 13:41 |
| Keybuk | asac: the udev rules format changed | 13:57 |
| Keybuk | and we moved from using vol_id to blkid | 13:57 |
| * hyperair grumbles about gdm's user switcher being incredibly bulky | 14:18 | |
| hyperair | at least fusa was shrinkable in its preferences | 14:20 |
| nerd_bloke | Would it make sense for a developer to add an Alpha 5 milestone to this bug, Update manager stopped showing the number of updates available https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/330439 ? Avoid hitting the KK UI Freeze like it did with JJ... | 14:50 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 330439 in update-manager "[jaunty] update manager stopped showing the number of updates available" [Medium,Triaged] | 14:50 |
| mvo | nerd_bloke: I have a look | 14:53 |
| chrisccoulson | mdz - i'm failry certain that the metacity respawning issue looks like a metacity bug rather than a gnome-session one, so I've re-assigned it back now. i can't test it until i get home from work, but i've had a look at the code and i've got a rough idea of what is happening now | 14:54 |
| mdz | chrisccoulson, thanks for looking at it | 14:55 |
| chrisccoulson | you're welcome | 14:56 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, you are doing some good work as usual ;-) being accepted as motu yet? ;-) | 14:57 |
| seb128 | been | 14:57 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128 - not yet. i've put myself on the motu-council meeting agenda for 23/7 | 15:04 |
| nerd_bloke | mvo: thanks | 15:04 |
| chrisccoulson | the next meeting is actually friday, but i couldn't make that one else i'd be late for work;) | 15:04 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, ok | 15:06 |
| SiDi_ | Does anyone know if we have (even officious) stats about the adoption rate of security updates over time ? | 15:28 |
| SiDi_ | http://www.techzoom.net/publications/firefox-update-dynamics/ | 15:37 |
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| * hyperair fumes | 16:16 | |
| hyperair | who was the brilliant one who decided that it would be a good idea to stop gdm while upgrading?! | 16:17 |
| * hyperair (im)patiently waits for apt to finish its stuff before gdm can come back on | 16:17 | |
| pitti | hyperair: see #ubuntu-devel /topic; it was a bug | 16:20 |
| pitti | and u-d-a@ | 16:20 |
| hyperair | hmm | 16:20 |
| Laney | is there a bug about mass storage devices no longer automounting? | 16:20 |
| hyperair | i see | 16:20 |
| * Laney assumes yes | 16:20 | |
| hyperair | mass storage devices not automounting? | 16:21 |
| hyperair | it does for me now =\ | 16:21 |
| pitti | WFM | 16:21 |
| pitti | it doesn't auto-popup nautilus, though | 16:21 |
| pitti | that's a bug | 16:21 |
| Laney | nope, didn't mount at all | 16:21 |
| hyperair | i disabled that anyway, so i didn't notice anything | 16:21 |
| Laney | just tried with my phone though, I'll check with a usb key later | 16:22 |
| * hyperair curses | 16:29 | |
| hyperair | i can't even launch a browser now because it won't give me anything but a bloody black screen | 16:29 |
| pitti | have to run out early today, cu tomorrow | 16:34 |
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| asac | pitti: there? so NM maintainer aims for Fedora 12 (end of october/begin of nov) for 0.8 release. so if we want to do that, we need to accept that we will get a final version SRU post-release | 18:22 |
| asac | if thats ok, i will ensure that he doesnt break abi after our final release cut (like he did for intrepid) ... and then i would now start preparing the 0.8 bits | 18:24 |
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