[00:53] <cprofitt> pleia2, what is the plan for tonight?
[00:53] <pleia2> I am not sure we have one :)
[00:54] <cprofitt> ok
[01:02] <cprofitt> pleia2, do I start the meeting or not?
[01:04] <cprofitt> Vantrax, Vantrax|Work doctormo pleia2 do we want to cancel the meeting?
[01:04] <pleia2> yeah, I think so :\
[01:05] <pleia2> cancel I mean
[01:06] <cprofitt> k
[01:06] <cprofitt> pleia2, can you plan the one for next week?
[01:07] <cprofitt> as far as wiki and fridge, etc.
[01:08] <Vantrax|Work> i vote yes
[01:09] <Vantrax|Work> to cancel
[01:09]  * cprofitt noted Vantrax 
[01:09] <Vantrax|Work> we need to work out what linkages we want on the website
[01:09]  * cprofitt noted Vantrax|Work 
[01:10] <Vantrax|Work> so i can do menus etc
[01:10] <cprofitt> Vantrax|Work, we need to get the legal and hosting issue settled too
[01:10] <cprofitt> I know we will want links to the following
[01:10] <cprofitt> https://help.ubuntu.com/
[01:10] <cprofitt> https://wiki.ubuntu.com
[01:11] <pleia2> yep, I'll plan for a meeting next week
[01:11] <cprofitt> http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=100
[01:11] <cprofitt> an obligatory link to Canonical, Ubuntu.com and Moodle.com
[01:12] <cprofitt> thanks pleia2
[01:14] <doctormo> cprofitt: Aye ok
[01:14] <cprofitt> thanks doctormo
[01:14] <doctormo> Vantrax|Work: How did updating bzr go? We should work on that make sure your set up right
[01:16] <Vantrax|Work> ill get to it:P
[03:02] <doctormo> Vantrax|Work: :-D don't worry, I have a volunteer work load that would make other people fall over dead.
[03:02] <doctormo> cprofitt, pleia2, Vantrax|Work: Starting Wednesday 15th July the Ubuntu Massachusetts LoCo will be offering Systems Administration and Programming Lessons in the South End Tech Center in Boston
[03:02] <doctormo> http://www.ubuntu-massachusetts.com/events/4/
[03:02] <pleia2> doctormo: awesome :)
[03:03] <cprofitt> doctormo, nice!!
[03:03] <cprofitt> NY will be going for approval... but I will not be able to attend the meeting...
[03:03] <pleia2> eek
[03:03] <cprofitt> so I am hoping that ausimage remembers -- he had me schedule it despite my being out of town
[03:03] <doctormo> cprofitt: when is the meeting?
[03:04] <cprofitt> the 20th
[03:21] <Severity2> yep
[04:01] <doctormo> http://doctormo.wordpress.com/2009/07/07/ubuntu-loco-systems-admin-lessons-in-massachusetts/
[04:01] <doctormo> cprofitt, Vantrax|Work, pleia2: do you like my updated systems-admin icon?
[04:02] <pleia2> the one in that link? very much
[04:02] <Vantrax|Work> nice:P
[04:02] <Vantrax|Work> fits the theme well
[04:02] <Vantrax|Work> everything is starting to come together
[04:02] <Vantrax|Work> we need to sort the licensing stuff out soon tho, anyone heard from dinda on the FSF?
[04:04] <doctormo> Vantrax|Work: Not I
[04:05] <cprofitt> doctormo, looks good
[04:05] <cprofitt> Vantrax|Work, nothing from FSF or dinda
[04:06] <doctormo> At some point we're going to have to go out on our own
[04:06] <doctormo> To reach out the SFLC or to make a call
[04:06] <doctormo> (btw it's the Software Freedom Law Center, not the FSF)
[04:08] <cprofitt> k
[04:09] <doctormo> cprofitt, pleia2, greg-g, Vantrax|Work: Is it worth contacting the SFLC given that I already have a contact there?
[04:09] <pleia2> doctormo: waiting for the canonical contact, you mean?
[04:10] <Vantrax|Work> I would say it is worth doing, but thats up to the board imo
[04:10] <cprofitt> doctormo, if we have a way of contacting them... I would say yes
[04:10] <pleia2> and dinda said the canonical law person went on vacation last week
[04:10] <cprofitt> we also need to determine where the site will eventually be hosted
[04:10] <cprofitt> Canonical or Bodhi-Server
[04:11] <cprofitt> there are pros and cons to both of the hosting scenarios
[04:11] <doctormo> Yes, I think we should stick with our own
[04:11] <doctormo> We should have a way of funding the server so bodi isn't stuck with the costs
[04:12] <Vantrax|Work> depends what canonical will come to the party is
[04:12] <Vantrax|Work> doctormo: thats already done
[04:12] <doctormo> And we should have a backup domain to use until we can get the learn.ubuntu.com
[04:12] <Vantrax|Work> we already have one, but can get another
[04:12] <doctormo> I'm just not sure we should be leaning on or using Canonical resources when there is so much unsure and it's not a set of resourced they typically offer that we need.
[04:13] <doctormo> I think we'd just be fighting them on it
[04:13] <Vantrax|Work> depends what they come to the table with
[04:13] <Vantrax|Work> im willing to work with them to see what can be done as long as they are flexible
[04:13] <greg-g> doctormo: for what?
[04:13] <doctormo> greg-g: We're still mulling the licensing issues.
[04:14] <greg-g> doctormo: why?
[04:14] <doctormo> greg-g: We want to ask the SFLC for advice.
[04:14] <doctormo> greg-g: Don't ask me, I say it's settled, others aren't sure enough
[04:15] <greg-g> well, my advice is not waste your time, worry about actually creating content intead, but that is just me
[04:16] <cprofitt> greg-g, the issue is we can not, in fairness, have people create content if the terms of that 'product' are not specific
[04:16] <cprofitt> if we are going to ask people to turn over their 'ownership' as has been suggested... we need to let them know that... ahead of time so that they do not feel ambushed
[04:17] <greg-g> "all of the work you submit is licensed under CC:BY-SA, thanks" done :)
[04:17] <cprofitt> I agree greg-g
[04:17] <cprofitt> doctormo, agrees
[04:17] <cprofitt> I am not sure about Vantrax|Work and bodhi though
[04:17] <Vantrax|Work> i agree with that
[04:18] <doctormo> cprofitt: Transfere of ownership is off the cards, it's a bad idea and we've heard it's a bad idea from multiple sources
[04:18] <Vantrax|Work> but there were some good points raised worth checking out tho
[04:18] <doctormo> Vantrax|Work: Do you have a list of good points?
[04:18] <Vantrax|Work> no atm, it was in the log ..<
[04:19] <Vantrax|Work> i just remember i didnt have any objection to the queries being checked out
[04:19] <greg-g> I would use other successful projects as a guide, ie: Wikipedia
[04:19] <Vantrax|Work> yep
[04:19] <cprofitt> well the main issue, was that until bodhi was comfortable from his legal liability standpoint that if ownership was not transferred he was not going to host
[04:20] <Vantrax|Work> which is understandable, while moot if canonical hosts
[04:20] <greg-g> cprofitt: I tried to explain to him that copyright transfer wouldn't really gain him any protection
[04:20] <cprofitt> greg-g, as did I...
[04:20] <doctormo> cprofitt: Which means we will have to find a new hoster
[04:20] <greg-g> and if anything, would create unwanted hurdles (transfer the copyright to whom? Bodhi? some new entity which needs to be legally created, etc etc, yuck)
[04:20] <cprofitt> but I am not sure if he is comfortable yet
[04:21] <doctormo> cprofitt: Agreed, but this is a bodi problem, not nec' an ubuntu-learning project problem
[04:21] <cprofitt> doctormo, correct... unless bodhi is satisfied with the non-transfer and the avoidance of NC
[04:21] <doctormo> We should at least be creation materials in the wiki
[04:21] <greg-g> so yeah, I should stay out of it :)
[04:22] <doctormo> greg-g: No your input is important, because you know your stuff
[04:22] <cprofitt> greg-g, your input is valuable
[04:22] <cprofitt> and appreciated
[04:23] <doctormo> I'm concerned that we've gone off on this wild goose chase to pander bodi's uncertainties simply because he wouldn't listen to the experience and knowlege of the people involved here.
[04:23]  * greg-g nods
[04:23] <greg-g> well, in that case, since I apparently haven't been repeating myself too much (as to bore you) I will stick around ;)
[04:24] <doctormo> I feel like because he wanted NC and because of misunderstandings with liabilities we're stuck here twiddling our thumbs over none issues.
[04:24] <Vantrax|Work> doctormo: play nice:P We have a hosting option with Canonical to explore atm, the key issue is our access too it
[04:24] <doctormo> But that's completly my personal opinion and It's not politically sensitive.
[04:24] <Vantrax|Work> we also have made progress in our theming
[04:25] <doctormo> Vantrax|Work: I'd love to begin work on the theming, let me know when I can.
[04:25] <Vantrax|Work> so things arent sitting still
[04:25] <Vantrax|Work> i just have to update the trunk >.<
[04:25] <doctormo> yes
[04:28] <cprofitt> I think I would feel the same way as bodhi... nervous about liability
[04:29] <cprofitt> so despite my legal understanding differing from his; I have to respect his desire to keep his family safe from litigation issues
[04:29] <Vantrax|Work> okies so how do i push the change back up
[04:30] <doctormo> Vantrax|Work: You want `bzr commit` then `bzr push`
[04:30] <Vantrax|Work> doctormo: ^
[04:30] <Vantrax|Work> what folder should I be in?
[04:31] <doctormo> The folder with the '.bzr' directory, the one that was created when you  did 'bzr pull'
[04:31] <doctormo> er bzr checkout
[04:31] <pleia2> bodhi was also supposed to schedule talking to elmo (canonical sysadmin) - does anyone know if he's done that?
[04:31] <Vantrax|Work> /Projects/learn_ubuntu/trunk$ bzr commit
[04:31] <Vantrax|Work> bzr: ERROR: Cannot lock LockDir(http://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Eubuntu-learning-board/ubuntu-learning-moodle/trunk/.bzr/branch/lock): Transport operation not possible: http does not support mkdir()
[04:32] <pleia2> if one of us could take that off his plate it would be nice, so not everything is waiting on him
[04:32] <Vantrax|Work> Ill sort out chatting to elmo
[04:32] <pleia2> Vantrax|Work: thanks
[04:32] <Vantrax|Work> our issue is we need access to it as moodle doesnt have webadmin for a fair bit of stuff:P
[04:33] <pleia2> so on the sites I admin on canonical servers, I have ssh access
[04:33] <Vantrax|Work> that should be fine, long as i can scp, ssh, and have access to change file permissions
[04:34] <pleia2> you'd have to work with them on specifics, for planet they have bzr configured, on the ubuntu-women.org core html files I have full access to edit because I'm in the u-w group
[04:34] <Vantrax|Work> that should be ok
[04:35] <Vantrax|Work> doctormo: if you still have my ubuntu one shared folder open its all in the theme folder
[04:36] <Vantrax|Work> i reformatted most of the code so it should be easy to follow
[04:37] <Vantrax|Work> where does elmo hide out?
[04:38] <doctormo> Vantrax|Work: sorry, damn old bzr code, I'm going to try and convince you to commit this right, since I believe it will be useful in the future
[04:38] <pleia2> Vantrax|Work: #canonical-sysadmin
[04:38] <pleia2> Vantrax|Work: I'm not sure about elmo, but most of them are around UTC time, so I've had good luck catching them in their morning
[04:39] <pleia2> er, their timezone I mean, most of them are in europe somewhere
[04:40] <Vantrax|Work> im in aus, im sure i can find em
[04:40] <Vantrax|Work> ill just lurk till he is around
[04:40]  * pleia2 nods
[04:42] <doctormo> Vantrax|Work: Found the problem :-D you need to set your launchpad id by running `bzr launchpad-login [username]`
[04:42] <Vantrax|Work> i had to do that to download it the first time, doesnt bzr remember it?
[04:43] <Vantrax|Work> same error
[04:43] <Vantrax|Work>  Transport operation not possible: http does not support mkdir()
[04:43] <Vantrax|Work> im guessing thats more the problem
[04:44] <doctormo> Vantrax|Work: Are you sure running the launchpad-login command caused the http error?
[04:44] <Vantrax|Work> no, that didnt
[04:44] <Vantrax|Work> the login worked
[04:44] <Vantrax|Work> it was the rerunning commit
[04:45] <Vantrax|Work> ive used SVN systems before, this just seems painful
[04:46] <doctormo> Vantrax|Work: It's not, it's much easier than svn, it's just the 'windows xp is awesome' effect
[04:47] <Vantrax|Work> ... windows xp sucks
[04:47] <doctormo> Vantrax|Work: Not if it's the only thing you've ever used and the new thing is somethign that works in a fundermentally different way
[04:47] <Vantrax|Work> true
[04:51] <doctormo> Vantrax|Work: the user you logged in with is the same user that your on the board with right?
[04:52] <Vantrax|Work> yep
[04:52] <Vantrax|Work> bzr launchpad-login matthew.lye
[04:52] <Vantrax|Work> goes through np
[04:52] <Vantrax|Work> same that I used to download the trunk
[04:52] <doctormo> `bzr push lp:ubuntu-learning-moodle`
[04:52] <doctormo> try that, it's the full thing
[04:53] <Vantrax|Work> hrm, i need to redo my keys I think...
[04:58] <Vantrax|Work> ok so no auth error now but the push command says: bzr push lp:ubuntu-learning-moodle
[04:58] <Vantrax|Work> No new revisions to push.
[05:05] <doctormo> did you do bzr commit first.. oh wait the bzr commit is the problem
[05:05] <doctormo> `bzr bind lp:ubuntu-learning-moodle`
[05:05] <doctormo> that should bind it correctly
[05:06] <doctormo> then run your commit, then the push as above.
[05:07] <doctormo> Vantrax|Work: ^^
[05:10] <Vantrax|Work> aborting commit write group: BzrCommandError(empty commit message specified)
[05:10] <Vantrax|Work> ??
[05:11] <Vantrax|Work> ok i think thats worked
[05:11] <Vantrax|Work> tell me if it did
[05:11] <doctormo> Vantrax|Work: it should bring up vim or nano for you to enter a commit message, you have to supply one
[05:12] <Vantrax|Work> it did, I did, should show up now
[05:13] <Vantrax|Work> it says Committed revision 2.
[05:14] <Vantrax|Work> yep its there
[05:14] <Vantrax|Work> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-learning-board/ubuntu-learning-moodle/trunk
[05:15] <Vantrax|Work> why is it showing me differently to you?
[05:15] <Vantrax|Work> doctormo: ^
[05:16] <doctormo> Vantrax|Work: and now you pushed to rev2 right?
[05:16] <Vantrax|Work> its showing up
[05:17] <Vantrax|Work> i tried the push and it said:  bzr push lp:ubuntu-learning-moodle
[05:17] <Vantrax|Work> No new revisions to push.
[05:17] <doctormo> Looks good
[05:18] <Vantrax|Work> it seems not to know who i am tho...
[05:21] <doctormo> Vantrax|Work: Possibly a config problem, I have the following in http://pastebin.com/m1998e95 in ~/.bazaar/ directory (3 files)
[05:21] <doctormo> which help
[05:22] <doctormo> off to bed, thanks for commiting :-)
[05:22] <Vantrax|Work> np
[05:22] <Vantrax|Work> glad we could get it working
[05:34] <nhandler> Vantrax|Work: Use: bzr whoami 'Matthew Lye <matthew.lye@ubuntu.com>'
[05:36] <Vantrax|Work> does that fix that nhandler?
[05:37] <Vantrax|Work> thanks for peaking in btw:P]
[14:21] <nhandler> Vantrax: That command should fix it. It should also cause it to link to your Launchpad profile. You can type 'bzr whoami' to see what is currently set. And you should know, I am always watching ;)