| gnomefreak | wtf | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| asac | andrew_sayers: for hardy its not the right answer | 00:00 |
| gnomefreak | oh | 00:00 |
| asac | andrew_sayers: we dont have a hardy build yet. only thing we have is a hardy daily build | 00:00 |
| gnomefreak | fta: ive seen it in motu and ubuntuone so far | 00:00 |
| asac | andrew_sayers: that one is a bit ahead of 3.5 final | 00:00 |
| asac | should be more or less stable to run 3.5 | 00:00 |
| asac | but of course not risk free | 00:00 |
| asac | (daily that is) | 00:00 |
| gnomefreak | asac: should we just copy over packages from daily to mt PA? | 00:00 |
| asac | https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-daily/+archive/ppa | 00:00 |
| asac | gnomefreak: no. we should create a -milestones/backports PPA | 00:01 |
| andrew_sayers | asac: How would you compare it to downloading the version from the FF website? | 00:01 |
| gnomefreak | sounds good. the team should beable to make another PPA | 00:01 |
| andrew_sayers | (Which is apparently the recommendation being given out in #ubuntu) | 00:01 |
| asac | andrew_sayers: dont understand the question | 00:01 |
| asac | andrew_sayers: you get proper packages if you use our PPA | 00:02 |
| gnomefreak | andrew_sayers: our changes are not in the official version :) | 00:02 |
| gnomefreak | i will try to get them done this week if the reinstall goes ok and see if we can still make another one or is it just people that can have 2 | 00:03 |
| andrew_sayers | I'm rewriting https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion, and apparently it's important to have instructions for Hardy users. | 00:03 |
| gnomefreak | andrew_sayers: wont have any good info until i find out about PPA info on teams but im looking now | 00:04 |
| andrew_sayers | The current proposal is to recommend they install from http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/products/download.html?product=firefox-3.5&os=linux&lang=en-US | 00:04 |
| micahg | ah, you're the guy responsible for that page :) andrew_sayers | 00:04 |
| gnomefreak | ok i can make a new PPA for the team | 00:04 |
| andrew_sayers | Well, I've grabbed responsibility, apparently not without causing some ripples :) | 00:04 |
| micahg | I did a little editing on that page | 00:05 |
| asac | andrew_sayers: i dont think we should point users there | 00:05 |
| gnomefreak | andrew_sayers: sorry we have been a bit more concerned about bugs and Karmic more so than providing packages for hardy :) | 00:05 |
| asac | they still will have ffox 3 on their system and use the same profile with both browses | 00:05 |
| asac | which might cause profile damage if not all up-downgrade paths are properly tested | 00:06 |
| gnomefreak | asac: if you make and name the PPA i will start on them tmorrow or thursday since you have enough to do so far for me seamonkey is done and i have time until i get to m-d | 00:06 |
| micahg | asac: was that problem with the search engines not being shipped with 3.5 fixed? | 00:07 |
| gnomefreak | i should have at least hardy done by friday barring anything important pop up | 00:07 |
| gnomefreak | micahg: i have a ton of them in 3.5 by default | 00:07 |
| micahg | gnomefreak: do you have 3.0 installed? | 00:08 |
| gnomefreak | ok im going to install now maqybe be done with everything and back to good state by tomorrow late morning or so | 00:09 |
| gnomefreak | micahg: yes | 00:09 |
| gnomefreak | i dont use it but its there | 00:09 |
| micahg | right | 00:09 |
| micahg | that's why you have search engines | 00:09 |
| asac | andrew_sayers: can you wait a few days with the hardy content? | 00:09 |
| micahg | if you remove 3.0 they will disappear | 00:09 |
| asac | andrew_sayers: we are currently trying to figure out where to put our milestone builds | 00:09 |
| micahg | http://packages.ubuntu.com/jaunty/amd64/firefox-3.5/filelist vs http://packages.ubuntu.com/jaunty/amd64/firefox-3.0/filelist | 00:09 |
| gnomefreak | andrew_sayers: just tell them we are working on it | 00:09 |
| gnomefreak | ok im gone asac if you remember please let me know ( we can always make a new team like mozilla backports team or something) | 00:10 |
| andrew_sayers | Okay, sounds good to me. I'll let you guys know when the page is updated, and I'd appreciate someone checking that I've not implied something wrong. | 00:11 |
| * gnomefreak ready for a long damn night see you in morning | 00:11 | |
| gnomefreak | andrew_sayers: whatever you do do not recommend getting from mozilla site its too much rtouble in long run | 00:11 |
| * gnomefreak out | 00:11 | |
| micahg | asac: it seems like the search engines are still missing from karmic and jaunty ff3.5 builds | 00:12 |
| asac | o_O bluekuja is here ;) | 00:22 |
| bluekuja | ghost | 00:22 |
| bluekuja | :D | 00:22 |
| bluekuja | hello alex | 00:23 |
| bluekuja | so happy to see u again | 00:23 |
| bluekuja | :) | 00:23 |
| * BUGabundo wonders who bluekuja is :) | 00:25 | |
| BUGabundo | new nick? | 00:25 |
| bluekuja | no | 00:25 |
| bluekuja | are you a new member? :) | 00:26 |
| BUGabundo | me? no | 00:26 |
| bluekuja | I was here since 2006 | 00:26 |
| BUGabundo | here on this #? since 2008 I think | 00:26 |
| bluekuja | I was away for an year | 00:26 |
| bluekuja | that's why we didnt meet up | 00:27 |
| BUGabundo | ahhh right | 00:27 |
| BUGabundo | welcome back then | 00:27 |
| bluekuja | ty | 00:27 |
| BUGabundo | seems today is Welcome Back day | 00:27 |
| bluekuja | lol | 00:28 |
| bluekuja | who went back apart me? | 00:28 |
| andrew_sayers | Okay, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion now recommends older releases check back in a few days, and warns against installing from the website. | 00:29 |
| andrew_sayers | If I'm not about when FF 3.5 becomes available for Hardy, please add the instructions to the page without waiting for me. | 00:30 |
| BUGabundo | bluekuja: gnomefreak | 00:31 |
| BUGabundo | he underwent a few cirugies | 00:31 |
| BUGabundo | and still have at least one more scheduled | 00:32 |
| bluekuja | yeah, I knew | 00:32 |
| bluekuja | I hope everything is ok for him | 00:32 |
| bluekuja | he will be back! | 00:32 |
| BUGabundo | he was just here | 00:33 |
| BUGabundo | (12:12:04 AM) gnomefreak left the room (quit: "Lost terminal"). | 00:33 |
| BUGabundo | (12:22:39 AM) bluekuja [n=andrea@ubuntu/member/bluekuja] entered the room. | 00:33 |
| BUGabundo | you missed him by that much | 00:33 |
| bluekuja | aww | 00:33 |
| bluekuja | yeah | 00:33 |
| bluekuja | asac, still here? | 00:33 |
| bluekuja | gnight | 00:36 |
| andrew_sayers | Just to be clear, which releases are expected to get FF 3.5 in the long-run? Hardy and Intrepid, but not below? | 00:44 |
| micahg | andrew_sayers: Dapper Desktop LTS support ended last month | 00:46 |
| micahg | everything else below hardy is EOL | 00:46 |
| micahg | andrew_sayers: intrepid might not either | 00:46 |
| micahg | depending on the work involved | 00:46 |
| micahg | the only reason to give it to hardy that people have proposed is because hardy is LTS | 00:47 |
| asac | andrew_sayers: | 00:47 |
| asac | < This archive holds Firefox updates that are currently undergoing security testing. | 00:47 |
| micahg | ah, you're still here asac | 00:48 |
| asac | > This archive holds Firefox (and other mozilla) security & stability updates that are currently undergoing pre-release testing | 00:48 |
| asac | andrew_sayers: also we might want to indicate how risky a PPA is | 00:49 |
| asac | e.g. daily -> potentially dangerious | 00:49 |
| asac | security -> pretty safe (only stability security fixes that already got some pre-QA upstream) | 00:49 |
| asac | andrew_sayers: not sure if we should really say "Do not install mozilla builds" in the paragraph title | 00:50 |
| asac | maybe use "mozilla builds" as a section | 00:50 |
| asac | and then below say, that use of packages is encouraged for ubuntu users, but if they still want to use upstream builds they can go HERE to read instructions | 00:51 |
| asac | also they should remember to mention that they used mozilla builds in their bug reports ;) | 00:51 |
| asac | micahg: just back for a minute ;) | 00:52 |
| micahg | asac: what about the search engines? | 00:52 |
| andrew_sayers | I'm not sure whether beginners know the word "build" in that context. I'll go and have a play with it all though :) | 00:52 |
| asac | andrew_sayers: yeah. just wanted to give some ideas | 00:52 |
| asac | its your page ;) | 00:52 |
| andrew_sayers | So installing from the website might be the only option for determined Intrepid-users? | 00:52 |
| asac | andrew_sayers: if they want it now, but dont want dailies, yes. | 00:53 |
| andrew_sayers | I dispute that :p | 00:53 |
| andrew_sayers | But there will be an official Intrepid build eventually? | 00:53 |
| asac | for now leave that sectino out so they can see that there is progress | 00:53 |
| asac | yes | 00:53 |
| asac | same releases as -daily | 00:53 |
| rleeds | hey, i'm searching around for the reason why libmozjs-dev hasn't been updated with xulrunner-1.9.1. Why the conflict? | 00:54 |
| asac | rleeds: because its from the rotten old xul 1.8 package still | 00:54 |
| asac | 1.9 doesnt have it | 00:54 |
| andrew_sayers | Okay great, I'll make those changes. | 00:54 |
| rleeds | asac, ahh. 1.9 doesn't have it. Where did it go? | 00:54 |
| asac | rleeds: i never existed ;) | 00:54 |
| asac | it was debian maintain invention | 00:54 |
| asac | its now in xulrunner-dev | 00:54 |
| rleeds | asac, so I should just install xulrunner-dev and I can build apps which require it? | 00:55 |
| asac | maybe ... maybe not | 00:55 |
| asac | depends on the app | 00:55 |
| rleeds | asac, of course. | 00:55 |
| asac | and how the build system works etc. | 00:55 |
| asac | good apps work with our packages, bad apps dont | 00:55 |
| rleeds | specifically, I'm working with couchdb | 00:56 |
| micahg | asac: Mike Hommey just posted ff3.5 in experimental soon | 00:56 |
| asac | rleeds: the package in karmic works | 00:56 |
| asac | i fixed that recently | 00:56 |
| rleeds | asac, Trying to build trunk, though. But thanks. | 00:56 |
| asac | rleeds: pick the patch | 00:56 |
| asac | upstream them | 00:56 |
| asac | its in the package | 00:56 |
| asac | andrew_sayers: also 6. in security is bad | 00:58 |
| asac | andrew_sayers: we want to encourage users to run that PPA | 00:58 |
| asac | andrew_sayers: we have to explain them that there is a bit of an added risk, but running that ppa and reporting regressions that happen after upgrades here | 00:58 |
| asac | is a great contribution to ubuntu | 00:58 |
| * micahg should run teh security ppa then :) | 00:58 | |
| asac | definitly | 00:59 |
| asac | ;) | 00:59 |
| rleeds | asac, thanks | 01:00 |
| andrew_sayers | asac: That's evil genius. Saying "please test our code" will scare off people that shouldn't be running pre-release stuff much better than "please don't use our code" >:) | 01:01 |
| asac | andrew_sayers: i dont want to scare them off ;) | 01:01 |
| asac | i just want more users running -security :) | 01:01 |
| asac | voluntarily | 01:01 |
| asac | folks hunting for ffox 3.5 now are the perfect target i think | 01:01 |
| asac | my mother wouldnt be looking for it at least ;) | 01:02 |
| andrew_sayers | Depends on the users though - you want the type that will report bugs to you, not the type that will complain how Ubuntu doesn't work to their friends. | 01:02 |
| andrew_sayers | My brother would, and you don't want him :) | 01:02 |
| micahg | asac: we're gonna have issues with 3.5 if people remove 3.0 | 01:02 |
| asac | andrew_sayers: yes. we should be mildly honest about the facts, but dont tell them to disable the PPA imo | 01:03 |
| asac | micahg: i dont think thats an issue for jautny | 01:03 |
| asac | its just the search engines right? | 01:03 |
| micahg | afaik | 01:04 |
| micahg | for karmic it will be though | 01:04 |
| asac | yeah. i think thats acceptable for jaunty and will be solved for karmic | 01:04 |
| micahg | ok | 01:04 |
| micahg | then I'll stop bugging you | 01:04 |
| asac | no thats ok ;) | 01:04 |
| asac | i should think about a real solution so you can remove either and keep your searchplugins intact | 01:04 |
| micahg | yes | 01:05 |
| micahg | firefox-common maybe? | 01:05 |
| asac | yeah thats one option | 01:05 |
| asac | mybe there are more. i am not sure | 01:05 |
| micahg | you can get really specific | 01:07 |
| micahg | firefox-search-plugins-default | 01:07 |
| micahg | and then have an extras package | 01:07 |
| andrew_sayers | asac: Do you have a recommended HERE with instructions for people that want to install the upstream version? | 01:14 |
| andrew_sayers | Anyway, update made. I'll put some instructions together later. | 01:23 |
| asac | micahg: yeah. sounds better | 01:25 |
| br122 | Question, is there a reason when I look at mail reader I have a "Thunderbird" and a "Mozilla Thunderbird/News" as 2 different entries? | 04:43 |
| micahg | br122: do you have multiple versions installed? | 04:44 |
| br122 | Not to my knowledge, micahg | 04:44 |
| micahg | can you post dpkg -l | grep thunderbird to paste.ubuntu.com | 04:45 |
| br122 | http://paste.ubuntu.com/212381/ | 04:46 |
| br122 | Is that 2 different versions? | 04:47 |
| micahg | no | 04:47 |
| micahg | hmmm | 04:47 |
| micahg | It should be Mozilla Thudnerbird Mail/News | 04:49 |
| micahg | br122: what window enviroment? | 04:50 |
| br122 | Is that the same as desktop environment? | 04:52 |
| br122 | I'm new to ubuntu | 04:52 |
| micahg | yes | 04:52 |
| micahg | sorry | 04:52 |
| br122 | GNOME if it is, if it isn't.. | 04:52 |
| micahg | yep | 04:52 |
| micahg | ok | 04:52 |
| micahg | and you're on 9.04? | 04:53 |
| br122 | Yes | 04:55 |
| micahg | can you try this: locate thunderbird.desktop | 04:55 |
| br122 | its in /usr/share/applications | 04:56 |
| micahg | just 1? | 04:56 |
| br122 | Yea | 04:57 |
| micahg | hmmm | 04:57 |
| micahg | weird | 04:57 |
| br122 | wait | 04:57 |
| br122 | /usr/share/app-install/desktop/thunderbird.desktop | 04:57 |
| br122 | there is that one too | 04:58 |
| micahg | ah | 04:58 |
| micahg | those 2 are normal | 04:58 |
| micahg | not sure br122 | 05:00 |
| micahg | you can open a bug | 05:00 |
| micahg | ubuntu-bug thunderbird | 05:00 |
| br122 | Thanks, micahg | 05:08 |
| eagles0513875 | asac: ping | 06:58 |
| eagles0513875 | asac: the plasma-widget-network-manager failed to build | 06:58 |
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| asac_ | eagles0513875: yes. have no time for that atm | 09:55 |
| asac_ | the svn tree is not buildable atm | 09:55 |
| asac_ | upstream sucks ;) | 09:55 |
| eagles0513875 | ill talk with someone upstream | 09:56 |
| asac_ | kde folks alrewady do that | 09:57 |
| === asac_ is now known as asac | ||
| eagles0513875 | hehe | 10:22 |
| asac | i mean the kubuntu dev lead promissed me to talk to him tomorrow | 10:23 |
| asac | if i were you i wouldnt hold my breath ;) | 10:23 |
| asac | file upstream bugs directly maybe | 10:23 |
| eagles0513875 | ya im trying to get hold of latest svn source and compile myself | 10:25 |
| asac | eagles0513875: i gave you instructions | 10:25 |
| eagles0513875 | i have them | 10:25 |
| asac | eagles0513875: dont try | 10:25 |
| asac | it doesnt build | 10:25 |
| asac | its broken | 10:25 |
| asac | they moved files without fixing build system | 10:25 |
| eagles0513875 | oh | 10:25 |
| asac | after fixing that they have non-existing symbols used | 10:25 |
| asac | thats what i mean by "upstream sucks" ;) | 10:26 |
| asac | so for me it feels like he did some code writing without testing and committed it so he doesnt loose all progress | 10:27 |
| asac | ppa weather: http://identi.ca/notice/6188970 | 10:27 |
| eagles0513875 | ya | 10:27 |
| fta2 | http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2009/07/introducing-google-chrome-os.html | 11:48 |
| asac | yeah | 12:10 |
| asac | old news ;) | 12:10 |
| asac | jk | 12:10 |
| fta2 | asac, it was more for the number of chrome users | 12:55 |
| fta2 | pff, i386 - 315 builds waiting in queue | 12:56 |
| bluekuja | asac: you there? | 14:29 |
| asac | now a bit travelling ... bbl | 14:58 |
| maco | asac, remember when you asked about http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/ff_fonts.png ? i've got an arch user sitting behind me that says he's seen it in FF w/ Xfce and now he's seeing it in Konqueror & Konsole in KDE 4.2.4 | 15:15 |
| maco | asac, nevermind. ogra gave me the lp bug # | 15:26 |
| maco | (which is fixed) | 15:26 |
| asac | bluekuja: you need to replay the changes that were NMUed so they are in the branch/changelog | 15:48 |
| asac | bluekuja: also upgrade your bzr branch | 15:48 |
| asac | it takes ages to branch | 15:48 |
| asac | bluekuja: it adds Dm-Uploaders ... pleaes get that uploaded by the current maintainer | 15:50 |
| Pici | Is there anything on our Wiki about FF3.5? Something explaining why its called Shiretoko and/or instructions to set it as the default browser? | 17:31 |
| asac | Pici: will be back in a few ... for now we have | 17:35 |
| asac | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion | 17:36 |
| asac | we could add info how to make it default there | 17:36 |
| asac | for the branding we have http://www.asoftsite.org/s9y/archives/161-FAQ-Why-is-my-firefox-3.5-still-called-Shiretoko.html | 17:36 |
| asac | Pici: ^ | 17:36 |
| Pici | asac: thank you | 17:36 |
| Pici | !ff35 | 17:43 |
| ubottu | Firefox 3.5 Final is available for Jaunty by installing the package firefox-3.5 | FF3.5 is referred to as Shiretoko on your UI, see http://is.gd/1reB3 for more info | Hardy & Intrepid: http://is.gd/1jkNY | 17:43 |
| Pici | Hopefully that helps us fend off some of the more frequently asked questions. | 17:44 |
| asac | great | 17:48 |
| asac | thx | 17:48 |
| asac | fta: Applying patch bz488710_sqlite_systemlib_backout.patch | 18:28 |
| asac | patching file configure.in | 18:28 |
| asac | Hunk #1 FAILED at 123. | 18:28 |
| asac | 1 out of 1 hunk FAILED -- rejects in file configure.in | 18:28 |
| asac | Patch bz488710_sqlite_systemlib_backout.patch does not apply (enforce with -f) | 18:28 |
| asac | make: *** [debian/stamp-patched] Error 1 | 18:28 |
| asac | thats on .intrepid branch | 18:28 |
| asac | too bad | 18:28 |
| asac | fta: you think you could update your patch there? | 18:28 |
| asac | http://launchpadlibrarian.net/28795908/buildlog_ubuntu-intrepid-i386.xulrunner-1.9_1.9.0.12%2Bbuild1%2Bnobinonly-0ubuntu0.8.10.1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz | 18:28 |
| asac | https://code.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/xulrunner/xulrunner-1.9.intrepid | 18:29 |
| fta | asac, my patch? | 18:30 |
| asac | fta: yeah. you did that patch afaik ;) | 18:31 |
| asac | mozilla bug 488710 | 18:31 |
| ubottu | Mozilla bug 488710 in Storage "Upgrade to sqlite 3.6.7 on the 1.9.0 branch" [Normal,Verified: fixed] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=488710 | 18:31 |
| fta | asac, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/xulrunner/xulrunner-1.9.intrepid/revision/154 | 18:32 |
| fta | it's yours | 18:32 |
| asac | heh | 18:33 |
| asac | yeah | 18:33 |
| asac | just saw that i committed | 18:33 |
| asac | guess i confused it with the hunspell one | 18:33 |
| fta | it's a 1 line patch anyway | 18:33 |
| bluekuja | asac, back | 18:42 |
| bluekuja | asac, I gonna remove the Dm stuff | 18:43 |
| bluekuja | it's not needed yet | 18:43 |
| bluekuja | plus the maintainer is MIA | 18:43 |
| asac | ok | 18:44 |
| asac | fta: ok i will do that then i guess ;) | 18:44 |
| bluekuja | asac, the NMU was only a rebuild | 18:44 |
| bluekuja | so i gonna add that changelog entry | 18:44 |
| bluekuja | and that's all | 18:44 |
| bluekuja | no changes needed | 18:44 |
| bluekuja | asac, am i right? | 18:45 |
| bluekuja | I guess something changed python-side and doko rebuilt the package to get those changes with a new rebuild | 18:46 |
| bluekuja | that's it | 18:46 |
| bluekuja | let me fix those and it's rdy | 18:47 |
| asac | i dont know ;) | 18:50 |
| asac | i just saw that there was an upload | 18:50 |
| asac | which wasnt in the log | 18:50 |
| bluekuja | yep | 18:54 |
| bluekuja | bzr upgraded | 18:54 |
| bluekuja | removed Dm stuff | 18:54 |
| bluekuja | now pushing new changelog and it's rdy | 18:54 |
| bluekuja | asac, done | 18:58 |
| bluekuja | asac, package should be ready now | 18:58 |
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| fta | asac, http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/ppa-queues2.png | 19:01 |
| bluekuja | asac, ping when done | 19:15 |
| asac | bluekuja: dont block on me. i cant upload till weekend as i dont have a debian system here anyway ... so finish everything i will look on weekend | 19:15 |
| bluekuja | oh aww | 19:16 |
| micahg | asac: are themes in 3.5 part of the official branding? | 19:16 |
| micahg | the default theme | 19:16 |
| asac | micahg: yes | 19:16 |
| bluekuja | asac, building on pbuilder no? | 19:16 |
| micahg | ok | 19:16 |
| bluekuja | you don't have unstable on pbuilder | 19:17 |
| asac | no | 19:17 |
| asac | and also no time | 19:17 |
| bluekuja | oki npp | 19:17 |
| asac | my own debian work has to wait too ;) | 19:17 |
| bluekuja | ok | 19:17 |
| micahg | asac: so bug 396786 I should mark triaged and note will be fixed in karmic when made default browser and branded? | 19:17 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 396786 in firefox-3.5 "Default theme missing in Firefox 3.5" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/396786 | 19:17 |
| asac | micahg: i dont see that bug | 19:19 |
| asac | micahg: ah you asked if its part of official branding | 19:19 |
| asac | no its not | 19:19 |
| asac | its there | 19:19 |
| micahg | you have default theme? | 19:19 |
| asac | he says he cannot switch back | 19:19 |
| micahg | I have the 3.0.11 default theme | 19:19 |
| micahg | greyed out | 19:19 |
| micahg | yes, if the user wanted to toggle between new and original theme like in 3.0.11 | 19:20 |
| micahg | does it just not show up as an option? | 19:20 |
| asac | micahg: i tested it and i could switch back and forth when using some random theme | 19:20 |
| asac | so i believe that whatever theme he tries is the problem | 19:21 |
| micahg | what theme is showing up for you? | 19:21 |
| asac | default | 19:21 |
| micahg | I don't have a default listed for 3.5 in mine | 19:21 |
| micahg | I'm running the jaunty build | 19:21 |
| asac | micahg: where are you looking ? | 19:22 |
| micahg | tools -> Addons -> Themes | 19:22 |
| asac | micahg: you have a screenshot what you see? | 19:24 |
| micahg | All I see is the default 3.0.11 theme | 19:24 |
| micahg | I can giv eyou a screenshot later | 19:24 |
| micahg | I have to get ready for work now | 19:24 |
| asac | ok | 19:25 |
| * armin76 waves to asac | 19:53 | |
| asac | ola armin76 | 19:54 |
| asac | micahg: so what ar ethe most pressing issues now? searchplugins, extensions and what? | 19:55 |
| * gnomefreak is *pissed* | 20:05 | |
| asac | dont be | 20:07 |
| gnomefreak | i lost all ~6 gigs of backup including all my mp3 | 20:07 |
| asac | that usually leads to suboptimal results ;) | 20:07 |
| asac | oh | 20:07 |
| gnomefreak | :) | 20:07 |
| asac | well. then. | 20:08 |
| asac | exception granted ;) | 20:08 |
| gnomefreak | :) thanks. now i just need to figure out how to set this up right again | 20:09 |
| gnomefreak | i worked all night on this, i slept for about an hour this afternoon to make up for last night | 20:09 |
| * gnomefreak knowsd why installer fails at least | 20:10 | |
| gnomefreak | !daily | 20:12 |
| ubottu | Daily builds of the CD images of the current development version of Ubuntu are available at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/ and http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ | 20:12 |
| gnomefreak | asac: alternate installer is text based or live? | 20:15 |
| * gnomefreak thinking text | 20:15 | |
| gnomefreak | somw of these are nice https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Karmic/Backgrounds/Default | 20:19 |
| gnomefreak | there is no useful info on how to use rsync (man page is too cryptic | 20:24 |
| bluekuja | asac, one question | 20:44 |
| bluekuja | asac, if upstream ships a debian dir on orig | 20:44 |
| bluekuja | can I delete it and use an orig. without it? | 20:45 |
| asac | if upstream releases the tarball with debian/ you can strip it off, but have to indicate it in the version | 20:45 |
| asac | also you have to mention it in copyright | 20:45 |
| asac | and README.source | 20:45 |
| asac | and make the get-orig-source accordingly | 20:45 |
| bluekuja | ok, i gonna keep having it on orig like old revisions | 20:46 |
| bluekuja | it's not a problem | 20:46 |
| gnomefreak | asac: in preferred applications i have custom firefox-3.5 %s it keeps opening a new window and i want it to open in tabs is there something i can add to it to make it do it? i have it set to open tabs in preffereneces but it doesnt | 20:57 |
| gnomefreak | i might know what is going on :( | 20:59 |
| gnomefreak | fixed it. | 20:59 |
| gnomefreak | ok im gone for a while this download is going to be a while | 21:00 |
| gnomefreak | micahg: do you know how to use rsync to update a file from a site? | 21:08 |
| * gnomefreak cant find the rsync expert | 21:08 | |
| gnomefreak | asac: did we find a place for the 3.5 hardy intrepid builds? | 21:09 |
| * gnomefreak can start on them tomorrow at the soonest. maybe we should add another PPA to the team | 21:10 | |
| asac | gnomefreak you need to configure "pen links in new tab" in the preferences dialog | 21:13 |
| asac | (in firefox) | 21:13 |
| gnomefreak | yeah i got it working i had 3.0 open and had links set to 3.5 | 21:13 |
| gnomefreak | reed left again :( | 21:30 |
| micahg | asac: maybe we should make a note the FF3.5 on Jaunty requires FF3.0 | 21:34 |
| gnomefreak | it doesnt require it it shouldnt at least | 21:42 |
| gnomefreak | FF depends on xulrunner not other versions of FF | 21:42 |
| micahg | well | 21:42 |
| micahg | it will install by default | 21:43 |
| micahg | due to the ubufox recommendation | 21:43 |
| micahg | and ubufox requires ff3.0 | 21:43 |
| micahg | it won't be a problem on karmic with ubufox fixed | 21:43 |
| micahg | but it will on jaunty | 21:43 |
| gnomefreak | yes 3.0 is installed by default and can be removed IIRC without removing half the system since we started depending on xulrunner | 21:43 |
| micahg | yes | 21:43 |
| micahg | but we're getting a flurry of bugs because of the ff3.5 connection with ubufox | 21:44 |
| micahg | that doesn't even work | 21:44 |
| gnomefreak | micahg: that is a fix in ubufox but as i recall ubufox was moved to suggestions | 21:44 |
| gnomefreak | thats for the info now i need to add ubufox to my xulrunner and firefox builds | 21:44 |
| micahg | gnomefreak: not in jaunty | 21:45 |
| gnomefreak | in hardy | 21:45 |
| gnomefreak | since im building for hardy/intrepid i will half to add ubufox since hardys doesnt support anything > than 3.0 | 21:45 |
| micahg | now there's two problems with the recommendation | 21:45 |
| micahg | 1. KDE users go nuts because ubufox drags gnome libs | 21:46 |
| gnomefreak | firefox alone brings in gnome libs | 21:46 |
| micahg | 2. ff3.5 will install ff3.0 on jaunty because of ubufox | 21:46 |
| micahg | gnomefreak: ff brings gtk | 21:46 |
| gnomefreak | micahg: nothing we can do about that we tried QT support and failed. IIRC we used upstreams patches | 21:46 |
| micahg | ubufox brings in more gnome stuff | 21:46 |
| micahg | gnomefreak: I'm not talking about that | 21:47 |
| micahg | it's about making it so apt-get install firefox-3.5 doesn't drag in ubufox | 21:47 |
| micahg | by default | 21:47 |
| gnomefreak | micahg: making QT support for mozilla will leave kde standard without gnome libs | 21:47 |
| micahg | that will solve most of these bugs | 21:47 |
| micahg | yes | 21:47 |
| gnomefreak | it will and i thought it was removed from depends | 21:47 |
| micahg | but that's not the most pressing issue | 21:48 |
| * BUGabundo the beared guy, say moooo o/ | 21:48 | |
| gnomefreak | Recommends: ubufox | 21:48 |
| micahg | we had 2 people complain about gtk but about 10 complain about ubufox | 21:48 |
| micahg | yes | 21:48 |
| micahg | recommends are brought in by default | 21:48 |
| micahg | AFAIK | 21:48 |
| gnomefreak | i cant remember if apt installs recommends or suggestions by default | 21:48 |
| micahg | recommends | 21:48 |
| micahg | suggestions are offered | 21:48 |
| micahg | but not installed | 21:49 |
| gnomefreak | that is it. ok asac can we demote ubufox to suggestions? | 21:49 |
| gnomefreak | BUGabundo: we need to talk | 21:49 |
| BUGabundo | shoot my friend | 21:49 |
| gnomefreak | BUGabundo: your rsync wiki is hard to follow can you make a rsync for dummies? | 21:49 |
| BUGabundo | LOLOLOL | 21:50 |
| BUGabundo | the new one? or the old one? | 21:50 |
| gnomefreak | i dont knwo one of them i only saw one with your name in title | 21:50 |
| gnomefreak | none of the ones i saw on wiki were helpful at all for me. i want simple examples thats all | 21:51 |
| BUGabundo | ok | 21:51 |
| BUGabundo | let me get it and simplify it | 21:51 |
| gnomefreak | BUGabundo: thanks. i only need examples for downloading and updating file | 21:52 |
| BUGabundo | gnomefreak: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BUGabundo/ISORsync | 21:55 |
| BUGabundo | here are TWO scripts | 21:55 |
| BUGabundo | the old one at the bottom, consisting on several files, one per image | 21:55 |
| BUGabundo | and a new one from cwillu at the top | 21:55 |
| BUGabundo | basicly any of them rsycns an iso | 21:55 |
| BUGabundo | they do both the same thing, one is one image per file (hard to maintain) | 21:56 |
| BUGabundo | the other a single file to get *all* images | 21:56 |
| gnomefreak | looking but trying to figure out why scripts are needed :) | 21:56 |
| BUGabundo | that gets me around 14GiBs of data | 21:56 |
| BUGabundo | easy | 21:56 |
| BUGabundo | will tell you in ONE line | 21:56 |
| BUGabundo | tell ME what image you want gnomefreak! | 21:56 |
| gnomefreak | daily ISO text based anad live | 21:57 |
| gnomefreak | i can give links if you want | 21:57 |
| BUGabundo | no need | 21:57 |
| BUGabundo | 32 bits, 64bits? cd? dvd ? | 21:57 |
| BUGabundo | gnomefreak: its *just* this: rsync -zvvhhP --stats rsync://cdimage.ubuntu.com/PATHTOIMAGE | 21:58 |
| gnomefreak | 32 cd | 21:58 |
| BUGabundo | as easy as that! | 21:58 |
| BUGabundo | rsync -vvhhP --stats rsync://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/daily-live/current/karmic-desktop-i386.iso | 21:58 |
| BUGabundo | rsync -vvhP --stats rsync://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/daily-live/current/karmic-desktop-i386.iso | 21:58 |
| BUGabundo | for the 32 bits livecd | 21:58 |
| BUGabundo | just change the URL as need! | 21:59 |
| gnomefreak | thanks. shoudl it be -vvhhP or vvhP | 21:59 |
| BUGabundo | *remember* that you need the ../cdimage/.. in there! | 21:59 |
| BUGabundo | web links don't work | 21:59 |
| BUGabundo | gnomefreak: one H | 21:59 |
| BUGabundo | its a type | 21:59 |
| BUGabundo | you can't make it *more* human readable | 21:59 |
| BUGabundo | LOL | 21:59 |
| gnomefreak | ok thanks | 21:59 |
| BUGabundo | gnomefreak: *remember* that you need the ../cdimage/.. in there! | 21:59 |
| gnomefreak | ok makes sence | 22:00 |
| gnomefreak | sense | 22:00 |
| BUGabundo | gnomefreak: then *just* to be sure, I md5 the iso | 22:00 |
| BUGabundo | wget -O - http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/MD5SUMS | grep desktop-i386 | 22:00 |
| BUGabundo | md5sum karmic-desktop-i386.iso | 22:01 |
| BUGabundo | or the name of any image | 22:01 |
| gnomefreak | yeah i do that all the time :) | 22:01 |
| BUGabundo | ok | 22:02 |
| BUGabundo | so _now_ that you get how this works | 22:02 |
| BUGabundo | take another look at the top script https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BUGabundo/ISORsync | 22:02 |
| BUGabundo | gnomefreak: and tell ME what you DON'T understand | 22:02 |
| gnomefreak | ok will let know in a few | 22:03 |
| BUGabundo | ok John | 22:04 |
| gnomefreak | BUGabundo: in upper script you should add comments at top on how to use it :) i would say its bash | 22:04 |
| BUGabundo | LOLOL | 22:05 |
| BUGabundo | why? | 22:05 |
| BUGabundo | that script is not for main consuption | 22:05 |
| BUGabundo | and NO ONE really gets 14GiBs of images daily do they? | 22:06 |
| gnomefreak | no i know but what command do you use to run it | 22:06 |
| gnomefreak | bash scriptname iso link? | 22:06 |
| gnomefreak | or just run the upper commands? | 22:06 |
| BUGabundo | ./scriptname.sh ? | 22:07 |
| BUGabundo | gnomefreak: don't lauthg : Qy5O9fAC.asc.part | 22:07 |
| BUGabundo | LOLOL | 22:08 |
| BUGabundo | I saved it from Paste.u.c | 22:08 |
| BUGabundo | it had that name, I kept it | 22:08 |
| BUGabundo | lolo | 22:08 |
| BUGabundo | tooooo lazy to change it | 22:08 |
| gnomefreak | thats it? and it will knwo from patch what ISO i have i guess | 22:08 |
| gnomefreak | i dont see that part | 22:09 |
| BUGabundo | IF you have it in the same path | 22:09 |
| BUGabundo | gnomefreak: what part? | 22:09 |
| gnomefreak | Qy5O9fAC.asc.part | 22:09 |
| BUGabundo | eheh | 22:09 |
| BUGabundo | that the name I have for the bash script :) | 22:10 |
| gnomefreak | oh its not on the wiki like that also missing the !bin/bash | 22:10 |
| gnomefreak | shewbang is the name for that IIRC | 22:10 |
| gnomefreak | shebang even | 22:12 |
| BUGabundo | is it? | 22:13 |
| BUGabundo | LOLOL | 22:13 |
| BUGabundo | didn't even notice | 22:13 |
| gnomefreak | do_download() | 22:13 |
| gnomefreak | { # $1 = base url, not including http://: cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/daily-live/current | 22:13 |
| * BUGabundo checks local file | 22:13 | |
| gnomefreak | that is the first lijnes | 22:14 |
| BUGabundo | #!/bin/bash | 22:14 |
| BUGabundo | do_download() | 22:14 |
| BUGabundo | { | 22:14 |
| gnomefreak | lines | 22:14 |
| BUGabundo | lolol | 22:14 |
| BUGabundo | I have it here | 22:14 |
| gnomefreak | :) should have it on wiki too ;) | 22:15 |
| BUGabundo | gnomefreak: it's a wiki... feel free to _fix_ it | 22:16 |
| BUGabundo | eheh | 22:16 |
| BUGabundo | anyone _who_ needs to actually run that, should be able to notice that too | 22:16 |
| BUGabundo | gnomefreak: posting to twitter instead identica?? | 22:17 |
| gnomefreak | rigt now i have 15 windows open if i forget remind me | 22:17 |
| BUGabundo | that's a BIG NO NO in my book :( | 22:17 |
| gnomefreak | shit no i am woirking on setting it back up | 22:17 |
| BUGabundo | only 15? LOL | 22:17 |
| gnomefreak | it will be fixed when i start clearing windows | 22:17 |
| BUGabundo | ok ok | 22:18 |
| * cwillu has slept 20 hours in the last week and a half | 22:19 | |
| BUGabundo | wow cwillu! finally caught up | 22:20 |
| BUGabundo | * cwillu * | 22:20 |
| * cwillu collapses into a shuddering pile of flesh on the floor | 22:20 | |
| BUGabundo | ahahah | 22:21 |
| BUGabundo | such a lier! | 22:21 |
| * cwillu ☠ openembedded | 22:21 | |
| gnomefreak | ok going for a smoke. asac: did you get a chance to review and push SM 1.1.17 ill be back in a few | 22:23 |
| BUGabundo | gnomefreak: you should *really* stop smoking! its bad for you | 22:24 |
| gnomefreak | but its fun for me too ;) | 22:24 |
| cwillu | ⟳ | 22:24 |
| micahg | cwillu: how do you get those funny characters? | 22:25 |
| cwillu | character map | 22:25 |
| micahg | ah | 22:25 |
| BUGabundo | eheh | 22:26 |
| cwillu | BUGabundo, behold, the bane of my existence :) | 22:27 |
| cwillu | BUGabundo, http://imgur.com/yjvIP&kBddd&ZhYaP&zqjuu | 22:27 |
| cwillu | (it's actually not so bad, I'm just not a hardware guy, and this involves converting 5v logic down to 1.8v logic and similar silly talk | 22:28 |
| BUGabundo | eheh | 22:29 |
| BUGabundo | sooo what's _that_ ? | 22:29 |
| * cwillu points out the 3 other images on that link, in the sidebar | 22:29 | |
| micahg | We're getting blog blasted now...http://blog.smartcube.co.za/2009/07/08/what-shiretoko-isnt-firefox/ | 22:30 |
| gnomefreak | ok getting ready to get that smoke. BUGabundo it seems i was posting to both. now i go smoke than script time | 22:30 |
| fta | asac, queue's not improving.. 95/379/66 | 22:31 |
| gnomefreak | ok BUGabundo the commands you gave me above (rsync) are for downloading the ISO and the script is to update it right? | 22:36 |
| gnomefreak | ok i need to go im feeling dizzy from pain killers | 22:39 |
| BUGabundo | gnomefreak: err well no | 22:40 |
| BUGabundo | rsync will download if no image is found | 22:41 |
| BUGabundo | and will just get what's diff if info is lacking! | 22:41 |
| BUGabundo | script and command are the *same thing gnomefreak | 22:41 |
| gnomefreak | BUGabundo: thanks i will test this later tonight depending on how i feel or tomorrow and let you know of any issues | 22:49 |
| BUGabundo | ok John! hope you get better | 22:50 |
| fta | Mook_sb, which part(s) of gstreamer should i build for sb on hardy? http://publicsvn.songbirdnest.com/vendor/trunk/ all 4?? | 22:55 |
| fta | Mook_sb, or better, could the features requiring a new gst be made optional? | 22:55 |
| Mook_sb | umm, we build all 5; I don't know which bits on hardy are new enough | 22:55 |
| Mook_sb | and really, I have no idea on this, you want MikeS | 22:55 |
| Mook_sb | (as I understand it, it's mostly about bug fixes and not new things, other than possibly gstmozillasrc + the windows bits) | 22:56 |
| fta | hm | 22:58 |
| fta | maybe i should just forget about hardy | 22:58 |
| Mook_sb | I could be horribly, horribly wrong, though! | 22:58 |
| fta | i don't know how many people are using the dailies anyway.. | 22:59 |
| Mook_sb | is it back to building, btw? | 23:00 |
| fta | today's build failed, i fixed it | 23:01 |
| BUGabundo | damn it | 23:01 |
| fta | but for hardy, it's broken since that gst patch landed | 23:01 |
| BUGabundo | the micahg idea to pin Firefox 3.5 down doesn't work! | 23:01 |
| BUGabundo | I get PPA updates on it :( | 23:01 |
| fta | BUGabundo, ? | 23:02 |
| fta | it=? | 23:02 |
| fta | oh | 23:02 |
| micahg | hmmm | 23:02 |
| fta | BUGabundo, my solution is all fine | 23:02 |
| micahg | BUGabundo: try pinning the ppa lower | 23:02 |
| BUGabundo | paste bin yours pleaseeeeeeeee | 23:02 |
| micahg | it'll update stuff you install from the ppa, but not stuff you install from the main repos | 23:03 |
| micahg | BUGabundo: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/213220/ | 23:03 |
| fta | http://paste.ubuntu.com/213224/ | 23:04 |
| BUGabundo | LOLOOL | 23:04 |
| BUGabundo | those pastes are almost followed | 23:04 |
| fta | but you need to downgrade 1st | 23:05 |
| fta | if you don't, my solution won't work either | 23:05 |
| fta | i never succeeded at teaching apt/pref to downgrade automatically :P | 23:06 |
| gnomefreak | once we find a PPA to use i will be building 3.5 for hardy so its not a daily build since everyone is comming from everywhere about 3.5 for hardy | 23:08 |
| gnomefreak | BUGabundo: is the following correct added into script | 23:09 |
| gnomefreak | do_download cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/daily/current karmic alternate-i386.iso | 23:09 |
| BUGabundo | just a very stupid question: if debian repos can have several packages versions, and apt works, *why* can't we do the same on PPAs ? | 23:09 |
| gnomefreak | some reason it grabs the md5 but fails to find that one | 23:09 |
| BUGabundo | gnomefreak: try direct link ! | 23:10 |
| BUGabundo | I can't right now, my BW is maxed out, I'm on 3G | 23:10 |
| BUGabundo | getting updates at an wooping speed of 141KiB/s | 23:10 |
| gnomefreak | BUGabundo: this is output when running script http://pastebin.mozilla.org/661613 | 23:11 |
| gnomefreak | rsync: link_stat "/daily/current/karmic" (in cdimage) failed: No such file or directory (2) bothers me | 23:11 |
| BUGabundo | ehhe | 23:11 |
| gnomefreak | maybe no updates for it? | 23:11 |
| BUGabundo | there's not such thung | 23:11 |
| BUGabundo | you have the wrong link | 23:12 |
| gnomefreak | there has to be. it found the md5 for it | 23:12 |
| BUGabundo | gnomefreak: diff wgets :) | 23:13 |
| gnomefreak | http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/karmic-alternate-i386.iso is the link for it | 23:13 |
| BUGabundo | one is for md5 the other to iso | 23:13 |
| BUGabundo | errr | 23:13 |
| BUGabundo | I told you twice to not forget the /cdimage/ in the PATH | 23:13 |
| gnomefreak | do_download cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/daily/current karmic alternate-i386.iso is in the script | 23:14 |
| gnomefreak | i didnt forget it | 23:14 |
| BUGabundo | rsync://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/daily/current/karmic-alternate-i386.iso | 23:14 |
| gnomefreak | the HTTP above is the link to the ISO so i know it is there | 23:14 |
| BUGabundo | ok | 23:15 |
| gnomefreak | ok here is a line that was already in script | 23:15 |
| gnomefreak | #do_download cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/daily-live current karmic-desktop-amd64.iso | 23:15 |
| BUGabundo | and did you try direct rsync from cli? | 23:15 |
| gnomefreak | there is no / after current and karmic... is 22 spaces out from it | 23:16 |
| BUGabundo | rsync -vvhP --stats rsync://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/daily-live/current/karmic-alternate-i386.iso | 23:17 |
| gnomefreak | http://pastebin.mozilla.org/661615 | 23:17 |
| gnomefreak | oh wait daliy-live cant be with alternate iso | 23:17 |
| gnomefreak | dalit live is the desktop installer? | 23:18 |
| gnomefreak | isnt it | 23:18 |
| gnomefreak | it is daliy/current | 23:18 |
| BUGabundo | right | 23:19 |
| BUGabundo | rsync -vvhP --stats rsync://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/daily/current/karmic-alternate-i386.iso | 23:19 |
| BUGabundo | duh | 23:19 |
| gnomefreak | hold on a sec | 23:22 |
| gnomefreak | http://pastebin.mozilla.org/661617 is the first part of script | 23:24 |
| gnomefreak | its the same as the lines that were there only without -live | 23:24 |
| asac | argh | 23:25 |
| asac | this XError annoys me really | 23:25 |
| asac | he error was 'BadWindow (invalid Window parameter)'. (Details: serial 945 error_code 3 request_code 20 minor_code 0) | 23:25 |
| asac | micahg: did we get more bugs on that ? | 23:25 |
| asac | do you know? | 23:25 |
| micahg | I don't remember seeing more bugs on that one | 23:26 |
| micahg | jsut comments | 23:26 |
| * micahg will look | 23:26 | |
| BUGabundo | gnomefreak: jaunty ? | 23:26 |
| gnomefreak | karmic | 23:26 |
| gnomefreak | im on jaunty atm | 23:26 |
| asac | micahg: yeah. i searched already ... no match for BadWindow in ffox 3.5 | 23:27 |
| BUGabundo | gnomefreak: but that pastebin say jaunty | 23:27 |
| asac | but that might just be the search feature ;) | 23:27 |
| micahg | I haven't seen any | 23:27 |
| gnomefreak | # $1 = base url, not including http://: cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/daily-live/current # $2 = image name: jaunty-desktop-amd64.iso | 23:27 |
| asac | its super annoying ... i cannot even start ffox 3.5 (nor 3.6) | 23:27 |
| gnomefreak | BUGabundo: you mean that? | 23:27 |
| micahg | but I do have a lot of bugs for Ff3.5 recommends ubufox | 23:27 |
| asac | need to use --sync | 23:27 |
| BUGabundo | gnomefreak: yep | 23:27 |
| BUGabundo | asac: ahh thtat | 23:28 |
| gnomefreak | BUGabundo: that is a comment so it shouldnt affect it right? | 23:28 |
| BUGabundo | I get soooo many of those | 23:28 |
| BUGabundo | and on 3.6 too | 23:28 |
| micahg | asac: did you see that we've been blog blasted | 23:28 |
| BUGabundo | asac: told fta about it, he didn't care | 23:28 |
| BUGabundo | gnomefreak: right | 23:28 |
| asac | micahg: did you make a master bug ? | 23:28 |
| asac | micahg: by whom? | 23:28 |
| micahg | asac: http://blog.smartcube.co.za/2009/07/08/what-shiretoko-isnt-firefox/ | 23:28 |
| micahg | asac: I've been duping them | 23:29 |
| micahg | I'll mark it master | 23:29 |
| gnomefreak | BUGabundo: should i change that to the iso im grabbing? | 23:29 |
| gnomefreak | a # shouldnt matter what it says after it though | 23:29 |
| fta | BUGabundo: what didn't I care about? | 23:30 |
| micahg | done | 23:30 |
| BUGabundo | gnomefreak: no need | 23:30 |
| BUGabundo | fta: all those startup crashs on FF that require --sync to force open it | 23:30 |
| fta | hm, i don't remember any of those | 23:31 |
| gnomefreak | BUGabundo: than it is right and should work however it doesnt just grabs the md5sum for it. only thing i can think of is that its anew download so no updates have been uploaded to server | 23:31 |
| fta | but i'm easily distracted | 23:31 |
| micahg | asac: the new problem with recommending ubufox is that it pulls ff3.0 in on jaunty | 23:31 |
| gnomefreak | asac: demoting ubufox to suggestions should fix the 3.0 drag | 23:31 |
| BUGabundo | gnomefreak: you should at least get stats on ZERO changes | 23:32 |
| asac | yeah. that was asked for in the past | 23:32 |
| asac | maybe we can do that | 23:32 |
| micahg | asac: bug 365965 | 23:32 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 365965 in ubufox "[MASTER] Firefox3.5 recommends ubufox but should suggest ubufox" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/365965 | 23:32 |
| asac | but i wont rush out an update | 23:32 |
| gnomefreak | BUGabundo: here is output of script http://pastebin.mozilla.org/661613 | 23:33 |
| asac | and users can use apt-get install --no-recommends-install | 23:33 |
| asac | or something | 23:33 |
| asac | micahg: is that the oldest bug? | 23:33 |
| BUGabundo | gnomefreak: total size is 0 speedup is 0.00 rsync error: some files/attrs were not transferred (see previous errors) (code 23) at main.c(1524) [receiver=3.0.5] | 23:33 |
| BUGabundo | never seen that error before | 23:33 |
| micahg | yeah, from Apr 09 | 23:33 |
| asac | micahg: yeah | 23:33 |
| asac | thats the one | 23:33 |
| BUGabundo | waut.... are you sure your servers accepts rsync? | 23:33 |
| micahg | asac: I'll add your thing as a workaround | 23:33 |
| gnomefreak | BUGabundo: me neither | 23:33 |
| asac | hmm | 23:33 |
| asac | not so sure anymore | 23:34 |
| BUGabundo | gnomefreak: is it cdimage ? | 23:34 |
| asac | i thoguth there was an older bug ... but well ;) | 23:34 |
| gnomefreak | BUGabundo: yes | 23:34 |
| asac | micahg: look up the exact option in manpage to be sure | 23:34 |
| BUGabundo | gnomefreak: try cli version | 23:34 |
| micahg | just tried it to be sure and it failed :) | 23:34 |
| micahg | I'll do that | 23:34 |
| BUGabundo | gnomefreak: rsync -vvhP --stats rsync://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/daily/current/karmic-alternate-i386.iso | 23:34 |
| asac | micahg: its --no-install-recommends | 23:34 |
| micahg | :) | 23:34 |
| micahg | tested and works :) | 23:36 |
| gnomefreak | BUGabundo: you mean http://pastebin.mozilla.org/661615 | 23:39 |
| BUGabundo | gnomefreak: karmic alternate-i386.iso | 23:40 |
| BUGabundo | why a BLANK space there???? | 23:40 |
| gnomefreak | oops | 23:40 |
| BUGabundo | It should be a . | 23:40 |
| BUGabundo | - | 23:40 |
| BUGabundo | D'OH | 23:40 |
| gnomefreak | ill try it but the script should still work | 23:41 |
| gnomefreak | http://pastebin.mozilla.org/661619 BUGabundo | 23:41 |
| gnomefreak | BUGabundo: i have to go if you figure it out please email me so i can work on it tomorrow im really not feeling good | 23:42 |
| BUGabundo | gnomefreak: WIN | 23:43 |
| BUGabundo | its working now | 23:43 |
| gnomefreak | works like that just not in script | 23:43 |
| BUGabundo | you already have the ALL image | 23:43 |
| BUGabundo | did you sed daily-live/daily? | 23:43 |
| gnomefreak | right looks like command worked | 23:43 |
| gnomefreak | no sed in script | 23:44 |
| gnomefreak | ok im gone | 23:44 |
| micahg | asac: what to do...people don't get it bug 396928 | 23:45 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 396928 in firefox-3.5 "Firefox 3.5 identifies as Shiretoko" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/396928 | 23:45 |
| micahg | I thought your last blog post was crystal clear | 23:49 |
| asac | micahg: its ok | 23:51 |
| asac | micahg: there will always be folks complaining | 23:51 |
| micahg | should I respond? | 23:51 |
| asac | no | 23:51 |
| asac | seems he actually accepted it | 23:51 |
| asac | keep it open, so we can merge in new duplicates | 23:52 |
| asac | if he opens a new bug about user agent, we can answer and explain | 23:52 |
| asac | then he probably whines a bit, but thats how it is ;) | 23:52 |
| micahg | I already marked invalid | 23:52 |
| asac | micahg: you can mark it wont fix | 23:52 |
| asac | that expresses the state better | 23:53 |
| micahg | ah | 23:53 |
| asac | and still honours the fact that the reporter is at least a bit right | 23:53 |
| asac | which usually calms them down a bit | 23:53 |
| micahg | true | 23:53 |
| asac | some users are still ranting around ... for those, its even ok to keep the bugs at confirmed | 23:53 |
| asac | ;) | 23:53 |
| micahg | ok | 23:53 |
| asac | just to keep them silent | 23:53 |
| micahg | well | 23:53 |
| micahg | if it gets bad, I'll do that | 23:53 |
| asac | well | 23:53 |
| micahg | do I need to comment on the change to won't fix | 23:53 |
| asac | dont do that on your own | 23:53 |
| asac | usually those folks bitch around and set the state to confirmed on their own | 23:54 |
| asac | dont change it back, leave it that way | 23:54 |
| asac | they will otherwise just cost bandwith ;) | 23:54 |
| micahg | ok | 23:54 |
| micahg | what about the won't fix for this bug, should I comment or just change the status? | 23:54 |
| asac | micahg: you can leave a comment like "wontfix seems to be a better fit for this bug state, changing ..." | 23:55 |
| asac | or just say nothing | 23:55 |
| asac | micahg: or keep it at invalid | 23:55 |
| asac | i mean if he doesnt complain it doesnt matter ;) | 23:55 |
| asac | but this is typically a a wont fix bug | 23:56 |
| micahg | ah, I think I just mentally grouped it with that HTML5 bug and marked it invalid | 23:57 |
| micahg | I'll leave it I guess | 23:57 |
| asac | yeah | 23:57 |
| asac | yeah the other is invalid | 23:57 |
| asac | well, you could also say wont fix | 23:57 |
| asac | if he files in a "request change to firefox" way | 23:57 |
| asac | if he says its a problem on our side its invalid though ;) | 23:58 |
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