asacandrew_sayers: for hardy its not the right answer00:00
asacandrew_sayers: we dont have a hardy build yet. only thing we have is  a hardy daily build00:00
gnomefreakfta: ive seen it in motu and ubuntuone so far00:00
asacandrew_sayers: that one is a bit ahead of 3.5 final00:00
asacshould be more or less stable to run 3.500:00
asacbut of course not risk free00:00
asac(daily that is)00:00
gnomefreakasac: should we just copy over packages from daily to mt PA?00:00
asacgnomefreak: no. we should create a -milestones/backports PPA00:01
andrew_sayersasac: How would you compare it to downloading the version from the FF website?00:01
gnomefreaksounds good. the team should beable to make another PPA00:01
andrew_sayers(Which is apparently the recommendation being given out in #ubuntu)00:01
asacandrew_sayers: dont understand the question00:01
asacandrew_sayers: you get proper packages if you use our PPA00:02
gnomefreakandrew_sayers: our changes are not in the official version :)00:02
gnomefreaki will try to get them done this week if the reinstall goes ok and see if we can still make another one or is it just people that can have 200:03
andrew_sayersI'm rewriting https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion, and apparently it's important to have instructions for Hardy users.00:03
gnomefreakandrew_sayers: wont have any good info until i find out about PPA info on teams but im looking now00:04
andrew_sayersThe current proposal is to recommend they install from http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/products/download.html?product=firefox-3.5&os=linux&lang=en-US00:04
micahgah, you're the guy responsible for that page :) andrew_sayers00:04
gnomefreakok i can make a new PPA for the team00:04
andrew_sayersWell, I've grabbed responsibility, apparently not without causing some ripples :)00:04
micahgI did a little editing on that page00:05
asacandrew_sayers: i dont think we should point users there00:05
gnomefreakandrew_sayers: sorry we have been a bit more concerned about bugs and Karmic more so than providing packages for hardy :)00:05
asacthey still will have ffox 3 on their system and use the same profile with both browses00:05
asacwhich might cause profile damage if not all up-downgrade paths are properly tested00:06
gnomefreakasac: if you make and name the PPA i will start on them tmorrow or thursday since you have enough to do so far for me seamonkey is done and i have time until i get to m-d00:06
micahgasac: was that problem with the search engines not being shipped with 3.5 fixed?00:07
gnomefreaki should have at least hardy done by friday barring anything important pop up00:07
gnomefreakmicahg: i have a ton of them in 3.5 by default00:07
micahggnomefreak: do you have 3.0 installed?00:08
gnomefreakok im going to install now maqybe be done with everything and back to good state by tomorrow late morning or so00:09
gnomefreakmicahg: yes00:09
gnomefreaki dont use it but its there00:09
micahgthat's why you have search engines00:09
asacandrew_sayers: can you wait a few days with the hardy content?00:09
micahgif you remove 3.0 they will disappear00:09
asacandrew_sayers: we are currently trying to figure out where to put our milestone builds00:09
micahghttp://packages.ubuntu.com/jaunty/amd64/firefox-3.5/filelist vs http://packages.ubuntu.com/jaunty/amd64/firefox-3.0/filelist00:09
gnomefreakandrew_sayers: just tell them we are working on it00:09
gnomefreakok im gone asac if you remember please let me know ( we can always make a new team like mozilla backports team or something)00:10
andrew_sayersOkay, sounds good to me.  I'll let you guys know when the page is updated, and I'd appreciate someone checking that I've not implied something wrong.00:11
* gnomefreak ready for a long damn night see you in morning00:11
gnomefreakandrew_sayers: whatever you do do not recommend getting from mozilla site its too much rtouble in long run00:11
* gnomefreak out00:11
micahgasac: it seems like the search engines are still missing from karmic and jaunty ff3.5 builds00:12
asaco_O bluekuja is here ;)00:22
bluekujahello alex00:23
bluekujaso happy to see u again00:23
* BUGabundo wonders who bluekuja is :)00:25
BUGabundonew nick?00:25
bluekujaare you a new member? :)00:26
BUGabundome? no00:26
bluekujaI was here since 200600:26
BUGabundohere on this #? since 2008 I think00:26
bluekujaI was away for an year00:26
bluekujathat's why we didnt meet up00:27
BUGabundoahhh right00:27
BUGabundowelcome back then00:27
BUGabundoseems today is Welcome Back day00:27
bluekujawho went back apart me?00:28
andrew_sayersOkay, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion now recommends older releases check back in a few days, and warns against installing from the website.00:29
andrew_sayersIf I'm not about when FF 3.5 becomes available for Hardy, please add the instructions to the page without waiting for me.00:30
BUGabundobluekuja: gnomefreak00:31
BUGabundohe underwent a few cirugies00:31
BUGabundoand still have at least one more scheduled00:32
bluekujayeah, I knew00:32
bluekujaI hope everything is ok for him00:32
bluekujahe will be back!00:32
BUGabundohe was just here00:33
BUGabundo(12:12:04 AM) gnomefreak left the room (quit: "Lost terminal").00:33
BUGabundo(12:22:39 AM) bluekuja [n=andrea@ubuntu/member/bluekuja] entered the room.00:33
BUGabundoyou missed him by that much00:33
bluekujaasac, still here?00:33
andrew_sayersJust to be clear, which releases are expected to get FF 3.5 in the long-run?  Hardy and Intrepid, but not below?00:44
micahgandrew_sayers: Dapper Desktop LTS support ended last month00:46
micahgeverything else below hardy is EOL00:46
micahgandrew_sayers: intrepid might not either00:46
micahgdepending on the work involved00:46
micahgthe only reason to give it to hardy that people have proposed is because hardy is LTS00:47
asac< This archive holds Firefox updates that are currently undergoing security testing.00:47
micahgah, you're still here asac00:48
asac> This archive holds Firefox (and other mozilla) security & stability updates that are currently undergoing pre-release testing00:48
asacandrew_sayers: also we might want to indicate how risky a PPA is00:49
asace.g. daily -> potentially dangerious00:49
asacsecurity -> pretty safe (only stability security fixes that already got some pre-QA upstream)00:49
asacandrew_sayers: not sure if we should really say "Do not install mozilla builds" in the paragraph title00:50
asacmaybe use "mozilla builds" as a section00:50
asacand then below say, that use of packages is encouraged for ubuntu users, but if they still want to use upstream builds they can go HERE to read instructions00:51
asacalso they should remember to mention that they used mozilla builds in their bug reports ;)00:51
asacmicahg: just back for a minute ;)00:52
micahgasac: what about the search engines?00:52
andrew_sayersI'm not sure whether beginners know the word "build" in that context.  I'll go and have a play with it all though :)00:52
asacandrew_sayers: yeah. just wanted to give some ideas00:52
asacits your page ;)00:52
andrew_sayersSo installing from the website might be the only option for determined Intrepid-users?00:52
asacandrew_sayers: if they want it now, but dont want dailies, yes.00:53
andrew_sayersI dispute that :p00:53
andrew_sayersBut there will be an official Intrepid build eventually?00:53
asacfor now leave that sectino out so they can see that there is progress00:53
asacsame releases as -daily00:53
rleedshey, i'm searching around for the reason why libmozjs-dev hasn't been updated with xulrunner-1.9.1. Why the conflict?00:54
asacrleeds: because its from the rotten old xul 1.8 package still00:54
asac1.9 doesnt have it00:54
andrew_sayersOkay great, I'll make those changes.00:54
rleedsasac, ahh. 1.9 doesn't have it. Where did it go?00:54
asacrleeds: i never existed ;)00:54
asacit was debian maintain invention00:54
asacits now in xulrunner-dev00:54
rleedsasac, so I should just install xulrunner-dev and I can build apps which require it?00:55
asacmaybe ... maybe not00:55
asacdepends on the app00:55
rleedsasac, of course.00:55
asacand how the build system works etc.00:55
asacgood apps work with our packages, bad apps dont00:55
rleedsspecifically, I'm working with couchdb00:56
micahgasac: Mike Hommey just posted ff3.5 in experimental soon00:56
asacrleeds: the package in karmic works00:56
asaci fixed that recently00:56
rleedsasac, Trying to build trunk, though. But thanks.00:56
asacrleeds: pick the patch00:56
asacupstream them00:56
asacits in the package00:56
asacandrew_sayers: also 6. in security is bad00:58
asacandrew_sayers: we want to encourage users to run that PPA00:58
asacandrew_sayers: we have to explain them that there is a bit of an added risk, but running that ppa and reporting regressions that happen after upgrades here00:58
asacis a great contribution to ubuntu00:58
* micahg should run teh security ppa then :)00:58
rleedsasac, thanks01:00
andrew_sayersasac: That's evil genius.  Saying "please test our code" will scare off people that shouldn't be running pre-release stuff much better than "please don't use our code" >:)01:01
asacandrew_sayers: i dont want to scare them off ;)01:01
asaci just want more users running -security :)01:01
asacfolks hunting for ffox 3.5 now are the perfect target i think01:01
asacmy mother wouldnt be looking for it at least ;)01:02
andrew_sayersDepends on the users though - you want the type that will report bugs to you, not the type that will complain how Ubuntu doesn't work to their friends.01:02
andrew_sayersMy brother would, and you don't want him :)01:02
micahgasac: we're gonna have issues with 3.5 if people remove 3.001:02
asacandrew_sayers: yes. we should be mildly honest about the facts, but dont tell them to disable the PPA imo01:03
asacmicahg: i dont think thats an issue for jautny01:03
asacits just the search engines right?01:03
micahgfor karmic it will be though01:04
asacyeah. i think thats acceptable for jaunty and will be solved for karmic01:04
micahgthen I'll stop bugging you01:04
asacno thats ok ;)01:04
asaci should think about a real solution so you can remove either and keep your searchplugins intact01:04
micahgfirefox-common maybe?01:05
asacyeah thats one option01:05
asacmybe there are more. i am not sure01:05
micahgyou can get really specific01:07
micahgand then have an extras package01:07
andrew_sayersasac: Do you have a recommended HERE with instructions for people that want to install the upstream version?01:14
andrew_sayersAnyway, update made.  I'll put some instructions together later.01:23
asacmicahg: yeah. sounds better01:25
br122Question, is there a reason when I look at mail reader I have a "Thunderbird" and a "Mozilla Thunderbird/News" as 2 different entries?04:43
micahgbr122: do you have multiple versions installed?04:44
br122Not to my knowledge, micahg04:44
micahgcan you post dpkg -l | grep thunderbird to paste.ubuntu.com04:45
br122Is that 2 different versions?04:47
micahgIt should be Mozilla Thudnerbird Mail/News04:49
micahgbr122: what window enviroment?04:50
br122Is that the same as desktop environment?04:52
br122I'm new to ubuntu04:52
br122GNOME if it is, if it isn't..04:52
micahgand you're on 9.04?04:53
micahgcan you try this: locate thunderbird.desktop04:55
br122its in /usr/share/applications04:56
micahgjust 1?04:56
br122there is that one too04:58
micahgthose 2 are normal04:58
micahgnot sure br12205:00
micahgyou can open a bug05:00
micahgubuntu-bug thunderbird05:00
br122Thanks, micahg05:08
eagles0513875asac: ping06:58
eagles0513875asac: the plasma-widget-network-manager failed to build06:58
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asac_eagles0513875: yes. have no time for that atm09:55
asac_the svn tree is not buildable atm09:55
asac_upstream sucks ;)09:55
eagles0513875ill talk with someone upstream09:56
asac_kde folks alrewady do that09:57
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asaci mean the kubuntu dev lead promissed me to talk to him tomorrow10:23
asacif i were you i wouldnt hold my breath ;)10:23
asacfile upstream bugs directly maybe10:23
eagles0513875ya im trying to get hold of latest svn source and compile myself10:25
asaceagles0513875: i gave you instructions10:25
eagles0513875i have them10:25
asaceagles0513875: dont try10:25
asacit doesnt build10:25
asacits broken10:25
asacthey moved files without fixing build system10:25
asacafter fixing that they have non-existing symbols used10:25
asacthats what i mean by "upstream sucks" ;)10:26
asacso for me it feels like he did some code writing without testing and committed it so he doesnt loose all progress10:27
asacppa weather: http://identi.ca/notice/618897010:27
asacold news ;)12:10
fta2asac, it was more for the number of chrome users12:55
fta2pff, i386 - 315 builds waiting in queue12:56
bluekujaasac: you there?14:29
asacnow a bit travelling ... bbl14:58
macoasac, remember when you asked about http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/ff_fonts.png ? i've got an arch user sitting behind me that says he's seen it in FF w/ Xfce and now he's seeing it in Konqueror & Konsole in KDE 4.2.415:15
macoasac, nevermind. ogra gave me the lp bug #15:26
maco(which is fixed)15:26
asacbluekuja: you need to replay the changes that were NMUed so they are in the branch/changelog15:48
asacbluekuja: also upgrade your bzr branch15:48
asacit takes ages to branch15:48
asacbluekuja: it adds Dm-Uploaders ... pleaes get that uploaded by the current maintainer15:50
PiciIs there anything on our Wiki about FF3.5? Something explaining why its called Shiretoko and/or instructions to set it as the default browser?17:31
asacPici: will be back in a few ... for now we have17:35
asacwe could add info how to make it default there17:36
asacfor the branding we have http://www.asoftsite.org/s9y/archives/161-FAQ-Why-is-my-firefox-3.5-still-called-Shiretoko.html17:36
asacPici: ^17:36
Piciasac: thank you17:36
ubottuFirefox 3.5 Final is available for Jaunty by installing the package firefox-3.5 | FF3.5 is referred to as Shiretoko on your UI, see http://is.gd/1reB3 for more info | Hardy & Intrepid: http://is.gd/1jkNY17:43
PiciHopefully that helps us fend off some of the more frequently asked questions.17:44
asacfta: Applying patch bz488710_sqlite_systemlib_backout.patch18:28
asacpatching file configure.in18:28
asacHunk #1 FAILED at 123.18:28
asac1 out of 1 hunk FAILED -- rejects in file configure.in18:28
asacPatch bz488710_sqlite_systemlib_backout.patch does not apply (enforce with -f)18:28
asacmake: *** [debian/stamp-patched] Error 118:28
asacthats on .intrepid branch18:28
asactoo bad18:28
asacfta: you think you could update your patch there?18:28
ftaasac, my patch?18:30
asacfta: yeah. you did that patch afaik ;)18:31
asacmozilla bug 48871018:31
ubottuMozilla bug 488710 in Storage "Upgrade to sqlite 3.6.7 on the 1.9.0 branch" [Normal,Verified: fixed] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=48871018:31
ftaasac, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/xulrunner/xulrunner-1.9.intrepid/revision/15418:32
ftait's yours18:32
asacjust saw that i committed18:33
asacguess i confused it with the hunspell one18:33
ftait's a 1 line patch anyway18:33
bluekujaasac, back18:42
bluekujaasac, I gonna remove the Dm stuff18:43
bluekujait's not needed yet18:43
bluekujaplus the maintainer is MIA18:43
asacfta: ok i will do that then i guess ;)18:44
bluekujaasac, the NMU was only a rebuild18:44
bluekujaso i gonna add that changelog entry18:44
bluekujaand that's all18:44
bluekujano changes needed18:44
bluekujaasac, am i right?18:45
bluekujaI guess something changed python-side and doko rebuilt the package to get those changes with a new rebuild18:46
bluekujathat's it18:46
bluekujalet me fix those and it's rdy18:47
asaci dont know ;)18:50
asaci just saw that there was an upload18:50
asacwhich wasnt in the log18:50
bluekujabzr upgraded18:54
bluekujaremoved Dm stuff18:54
bluekujanow pushing new changelog and it's rdy18:54
bluekujaasac, done18:58
bluekujaasac, package should be ready now18:58
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ftaasac, http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/ppa-queues2.png19:01
bluekujaasac, ping when done19:15
asacbluekuja: dont block on me. i cant upload till weekend as i dont have a debian system here anyway ... so finish everything i will look on weekend19:15
bluekujaoh aww19:16
micahgasac: are themes in 3.5 part of the official branding?19:16
micahgthe default theme19:16
asacmicahg: yes19:16
bluekujaasac, building on pbuilder no?19:16
bluekujayou don't have unstable on pbuilder19:17
asacand also no time19:17
bluekujaoki npp19:17
asacmy own debian work has to wait too ;)19:17
micahgasac: so bug 396786 I should mark triaged and note will be fixed in karmic when made default browser and branded?19:17
ubottuLaunchpad bug 396786 in firefox-3.5 "Default theme missing in Firefox 3.5" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/39678619:17
asacmicahg: i dont see that bug19:19
asacmicahg: ah you asked if its part of official branding19:19
asacno its not19:19
asacits there19:19
micahgyou have default theme?19:19
asache says he cannot switch back19:19
micahgI have the 3.0.11 default theme19:19
micahggreyed out19:19
micahgyes, if the user wanted to toggle between new and original theme like in 3.0.1119:20
micahgdoes it just not show up as an option?19:20
asacmicahg: i tested it and i could switch back and forth when using some random theme19:20
asacso i believe that whatever theme he tries is the problem19:21
micahgwhat theme is showing up for you?19:21
micahgI don't have a default listed for 3.5 in mine19:21
micahgI'm running the jaunty build19:21
asacmicahg: where are you looking ?19:22
micahgtools -> Addons -> Themes19:22
asacmicahg: you have a screenshot what you see?19:24
micahgAll I see is the default 3.0.11 theme19:24
micahgI can giv eyou a screenshot later19:24
micahgI have to get ready for work now19:24
* armin76 waves to asac 19:53
asacola armin7619:54
asacmicahg: so what ar ethe most pressing issues now? searchplugins, extensions and what?19:55
* gnomefreak is *pissed*20:05
asacdont be20:07
gnomefreaki lost all ~6 gigs of backup including all my mp320:07
asacthat usually leads to suboptimal results ;)20:07
asacwell. then.20:08
asacexception granted ;)20:08
gnomefreak:) thanks. now i just need to figure out how to set this up right again20:09
gnomefreaki worked all night on this, i slept for about an hour this afternoon to make up for last night20:09
* gnomefreak knowsd why installer fails at least20:10
ubottuDaily builds of the CD images of the current development version of Ubuntu are available at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/ and http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/20:12
gnomefreakasac: alternate installer is text based or live?20:15
* gnomefreak thinking text20:15
gnomefreaksomw of these are nice https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Karmic/Backgrounds/Default20:19
gnomefreakthere is no useful info on how to use rsync (man page is too cryptic20:24
bluekujaasac, one question20:44
bluekujaasac, if upstream ships a debian dir on orig20:44
bluekujacan I delete it and use an orig. without it?20:45
asacif upstream releases the tarball with debian/ you can strip it off, but have to indicate it in the version20:45
asacalso you have to mention it in copyright20:45
asacand README.source20:45
asacand make the get-orig-source accordingly20:45
bluekujaok, i gonna keep having it on orig like old revisions20:46
bluekujait's not a problem20:46
gnomefreakasac: in preferred applications i have custom firefox-3.5 %s  it keeps opening a new window and i want it to open in tabs is there something i can add to it to make it do it? i have it set to open tabs in preffereneces but it doesnt20:57
gnomefreaki might know what is going on :(20:59
gnomefreakfixed it.20:59
gnomefreakok im gone for a while this download is going to be a while21:00
gnomefreakmicahg: do you know how to use rsync to update a file from a site?21:08
* gnomefreak cant find the rsync expert21:08
gnomefreakasac: did we find a place for the 3.5 hardy intrepid builds?21:09
* gnomefreak can start on them tomorrow at the soonest. maybe we should add another PPA to the team21:10
asac    gnomefreak you need to configure "pen links in new tab" in the preferences dialog21:13
asac(in firefox)21:13
gnomefreakyeah i got it working i had 3.0 open and had links set to 3.521:13
gnomefreakreed left again :(21:30
micahgasac: maybe we should make a note the FF3.5 on Jaunty requires FF3.021:34
gnomefreakit doesnt require it it shouldnt at least21:42
gnomefreakFF depends on xulrunner not other versions of FF21:42
micahgit will install by default21:43
micahgdue to the ubufox recommendation21:43
micahgand ubufox requires ff3.021:43
micahgit won't be a problem on karmic with ubufox fixed21:43
micahgbut it will on jaunty21:43
gnomefreakyes 3.0 is installed by default and can be removed IIRC without removing half the system since we started depending on xulrunner21:43
micahgbut we're getting a flurry of bugs because of the ff3.5 connection with ubufox21:44
micahgthat doesn't even work21:44
gnomefreakmicahg: that is a fix in ubufox but as i recall ubufox was moved to suggestions21:44
gnomefreakthats for the info now i need to add ubufox to my xulrunner and firefox builds21:44
micahggnomefreak: not in jaunty21:45
gnomefreakin hardy21:45
gnomefreaksince im building for hardy/intrepid i will half to add ubufox since hardys doesnt support anything > than 3.021:45
micahgnow there's two problems with the recommendation21:45
micahg1.  KDE users go nuts because ubufox drags gnome libs21:46
gnomefreakfirefox alone brings in gnome libs21:46
micahg2. ff3.5 will install ff3.0 on jaunty because of ubufox21:46
micahggnomefreak: ff brings gtk21:46
gnomefreakmicahg: nothing we can do about that we tried QT support and failed. IIRC we used upstreams patches21:46
micahgubufox brings in more gnome stuff21:46
micahggnomefreak: I'm not talking about that21:47
micahgit's about making it so apt-get install firefox-3.5 doesn't drag in ubufox21:47
micahgby default21:47
gnomefreakmicahg: making QT support for mozilla will leave kde standard without gnome libs21:47
micahgthat will solve most of these bugs21:47
gnomefreakit will and i thought it was removed from depends21:47
micahgbut that's not the most pressing issue21:48
* BUGabundo the beared guy, say moooo o/21:48
gnomefreakRecommends: ubufox21:48
micahgwe had 2 people complain about gtk but about 10 complain about ubufox21:48
micahgrecommends are brought in by default21:48
gnomefreaki cant remember if apt installs recommends or suggestions by default21:48
micahgsuggestions are offered21:48
micahgbut not installed21:49
gnomefreakthat is it. ok asac can we demote ubufox to suggestions?21:49
gnomefreakBUGabundo: we need to talk21:49
BUGabundoshoot my friend21:49
gnomefreakBUGabundo: your rsync wiki is hard to follow can you make a rsync for dummies?21:49
BUGabundothe new one? or the old one?21:50
gnomefreaki dont knwo one of them i only saw one with your name in title21:50
gnomefreaknone of the ones i saw on wiki were helpful at all for me. i want simple examples thats all21:51
BUGabundolet me get it and simplify it21:51
gnomefreakBUGabundo: thanks. i only need examples for downloading and updating file21:52
BUGabundognomefreak: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BUGabundo/ISORsync21:55
BUGabundohere are TWO scripts21:55
BUGabundothe old one at the bottom, consisting on several files, one per image21:55
BUGabundoand a new one from cwillu at the top21:55
BUGabundobasicly any of them rsycns an iso21:55
BUGabundothey do both the same thing, one is one image per file (hard to maintain)21:56
BUGabundothe other a single file to get *all* images21:56
gnomefreaklooking but trying to figure out why scripts are needed :)21:56
BUGabundothat gets me around 14GiBs of data21:56
BUGabundowill tell you in ONE line21:56
BUGabundotell ME what image you want gnomefreak!21:56
gnomefreakdaily ISO text based anad live21:57
gnomefreaki can give links if you want21:57
BUGabundono need21:57
BUGabundo32 bits, 64bits? cd? dvd ?21:57
BUGabundognomefreak: its *just* this: rsync -zvvhhP --stats rsync://cdimage.ubuntu.com/PATHTOIMAGE21:58
gnomefreak32 cd21:58
BUGabundoas easy as that!21:58
BUGabundo rsync -vvhhP --stats  rsync://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/daily-live/current/karmic-desktop-i386.iso21:58
BUGabundo rsync -vvhP --stats  rsync://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/daily-live/current/karmic-desktop-i386.iso21:58
BUGabundofor the 32 bits livecd21:58
BUGabundojust change the URL as need!21:59
gnomefreakthanks. shoudl it be -vvhhP or vvhP21:59
BUGabundo*remember* that you need the ../cdimage/.. in there!21:59
BUGabundoweb links don't work21:59
BUGabundognomefreak: one H21:59
BUGabundoits a type21:59
BUGabundoyou can't make it *more* human readable21:59
gnomefreakok thanks21:59
BUGabundognomefreak: *remember* that you need the ../cdimage/.. in there!21:59
gnomefreakok makes sence22:00
BUGabundognomefreak: then *just* to be sure, I md5 the iso22:00
BUGabundowget -O - http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/MD5SUMS  | grep desktop-i38622:00
BUGabundomd5sum karmic-desktop-i386.iso22:01
BUGabundoor the name of any image22:01
gnomefreakyeah i do that all the time :)22:01
BUGabundoso _now_ that you get how this works22:02
BUGabundotake another look at the top script https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BUGabundo/ISORsync22:02
BUGabundognomefreak: and tell ME what you DON'T understand22:02
gnomefreakok will let know in a few22:03
BUGabundook John22:04
gnomefreakBUGabundo: in upper script you should add comments at top on how to use it :) i would say its bash22:04
BUGabundothat script is not for main consuption22:05
BUGabundoand NO ONE really gets 14GiBs of images daily do they?22:06
gnomefreakno i know but what command do you use to run it22:06
gnomefreakbash scriptname iso link?22:06
gnomefreakor just run the upper commands?22:06
BUGabundo./scriptname.sh ?22:07
BUGabundognomefreak: don't lauthg : Qy5O9fAC.asc.part22:07
BUGabundoI saved it from Paste.u.c22:08
BUGabundoit had that name, I kept it22:08
BUGabundotooooo lazy to change it22:08
gnomefreakthats it? and it will knwo from patch what ISO i have i guess22:08
gnomefreaki dont see that part22:09
BUGabundoIF you have it in the same path22:09
BUGabundognomefreak: what part?22:09
BUGabundothat the name I have for the bash script :)22:10
gnomefreakoh its not on the wiki like that also missing the !bin/bash22:10
gnomefreakshewbang is the name for that IIRC22:10
gnomefreakshebang even22:12
BUGabundois it?22:13
BUGabundodidn't even notice22:13
gnomefreak{ # $1 = base url, not including http://:  cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/daily-live/current22:13
* BUGabundo checks local file22:13
gnomefreakthat is the first lijnes22:14
BUGabundoI have it here22:14
gnomefreak:) should have it on wiki too ;)22:15
BUGabundognomefreak: it's a wiki... feel free to _fix_ it22:16
BUGabundoanyone _who_ needs to actually run that, should be able to notice that too22:16
BUGabundognomefreak: posting to twitter instead identica??22:17
gnomefreakrigt now i have 15 windows open if i forget remind me22:17
BUGabundothat's a BIG NO NO in my book :(22:17
gnomefreakshit no i am woirking on setting it back up22:17
BUGabundoonly 15? LOL22:17
gnomefreakit will be fixed when i start clearing windows22:17
BUGabundook ok22:18
* cwillu has slept 20 hours in the last week and a half22:19
BUGabundowow cwillu! finally caught up22:20
BUGabundo* cwillu *22:20
* cwillu collapses into a shuddering pile of flesh on the floor22:20
BUGabundosuch a lier!22:21
* cwillu ☠ openembedded22:21
gnomefreakok going for a smoke. asac: did you get a chance to review and push SM 1.1.17 ill be back in a few22:23
BUGabundognomefreak: you should *really* stop smoking! its bad for you22:24
gnomefreakbut its fun for me too ;)22:24
micahgcwillu: how do you get those funny characters?22:25
cwillucharacter map22:25
cwilluBUGabundo, behold, the bane of my existence :)22:27
cwilluBUGabundo, http://imgur.com/yjvIP&kBddd&ZhYaP&zqjuu22:27
cwillu(it's actually not so bad, I'm just not a hardware guy, and this involves converting 5v logic down to 1.8v logic and similar silly talk22:28
BUGabundosooo what's _that_ ?22:29
* cwillu points out the 3 other images on that link, in the sidebar22:29
micahgWe're getting blog blasted now...http://blog.smartcube.co.za/2009/07/08/what-shiretoko-isnt-firefox/22:30
gnomefreakok getting ready to get that smoke. BUGabundo it seems i was posting to both. now i go smoke than script time22:30
ftaasac, queue's not improving.. 95/379/6622:31
gnomefreakok BUGabundo the commands you gave me above (rsync) are for downloading the ISO and the script is to update it right?22:36
gnomefreakok i need to go im feeling dizzy from pain killers22:39
BUGabundognomefreak: err well no22:40
BUGabundorsync will download if no image is found22:41
BUGabundoand will just get what's diff if info is lacking!22:41
BUGabundoscript and command are the *same thing gnomefreak22:41
gnomefreakBUGabundo: thanks i will test this later tonight depending on how i feel or tomorrow and let you know of any issues22:49
BUGabundook John! hope you get better22:50
ftaMook_sb, which part(s) of gstreamer should i build for sb on hardy? http://publicsvn.songbirdnest.com/vendor/trunk/ all 4??22:55
ftaMook_sb, or better, could the features requiring a new gst be made optional?22:55
Mook_sbumm, we build all 5; I don't know which bits on hardy are new enough22:55
Mook_sband really, I have no idea on this, you want MikeS22:55
Mook_sb(as I understand it, it's mostly about bug fixes and not new things, other than possibly gstmozillasrc + the windows bits)22:56
ftamaybe i should just forget about hardy22:58
Mook_sbI could be horribly, horribly wrong, though!22:58
ftai don't know how many people are using the dailies anyway..22:59
Mook_sbis it back to building, btw?23:00
ftatoday's build failed, i fixed it23:01
BUGabundodamn it23:01
ftabut for hardy, it's broken since that gst patch landed23:01
BUGabundothe micahg idea to pin Firefox 3.5 down doesn't work!23:01
BUGabundoI get PPA updates on it :(23:01
ftaBUGabundo, ?23:02
ftaBUGabundo, my solution is all fine23:02
micahgBUGabundo: try pinning the ppa lower23:02
BUGabundopaste bin yours pleaseeeeeeeee23:02
micahgit'll update stuff you install from the ppa, but not stuff you install from the main repos23:03
micahgBUGabundo: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/213220/23:03
BUGabundothose pastes are almost followed23:04
ftabut you need to downgrade 1st23:05
ftaif you don't, my solution won't work either23:05
ftai never succeeded at teaching apt/pref to downgrade automatically :P23:06
gnomefreakonce we find a PPA to use i will be building 3.5 for hardy so its not a daily build since everyone is comming from everywhere about 3.5 for hardy23:08
gnomefreakBUGabundo: is the following correct added into script23:09
gnomefreakdo_download cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/daily/current                       karmic alternate-i386.iso23:09
BUGabundojust a very stupid question: if debian repos can have several packages versions, and apt works, *why* can't we do the same on PPAs ?23:09
gnomefreaksome reason it grabs the md5 but fails to find that one23:09
BUGabundognomefreak: try direct link !23:10
BUGabundoI can't right now, my BW is maxed out, I'm on 3G23:10
BUGabundogetting updates at an wooping speed of 141KiB/s23:10
gnomefreakBUGabundo: this is output when running script http://pastebin.mozilla.org/66161323:11
gnomefreakrsync: link_stat "/daily/current/karmic" (in cdimage) failed: No such file or directory (2) bothers me23:11
gnomefreakmaybe no updates for it?23:11
BUGabundothere's not such thung23:11
BUGabundoyou have the wrong link23:12
gnomefreakthere has to be. it found the md5 for it23:12
BUGabundognomefreak: diff wgets :)23:13
gnomefreakhttp://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/karmic-alternate-i386.iso  is the link for it23:13
BUGabundoone is for md5 the other to iso23:13
BUGabundoI told you twice to not forget the /cdimage/ in the PATH23:13
gnomefreakdo_download cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/daily/current                       karmic alternate-i386.iso  is in the script23:14
gnomefreaki didnt forget it23:14
gnomefreakthe HTTP above is the link to the ISO so i know it is there23:14
gnomefreakok here is a line that was already in script23:15
gnomefreak#do_download cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/daily-live current                       karmic-desktop-amd64.iso23:15
BUGabundoand did you try direct rsync from cli?23:15
gnomefreakthere is no / after current and karmic... is 22 spaces out from it23:16
BUGabundorsync -vvhP --stats rsync://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/daily-live/current/karmic-alternate-i386.iso23:17
gnomefreakoh wait daliy-live cant be with alternate iso23:17
gnomefreakdalit live is the desktop installer?23:18
gnomefreakisnt it23:18
gnomefreakit is daliy/current23:18
BUGabundorsync -vvhP --stats rsync://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/daily/current/karmic-alternate-i386.iso23:19
gnomefreakhold on a sec23:22
gnomefreakhttp://pastebin.mozilla.org/661617 is the first part of script23:24
gnomefreakits the same as the lines that were there only without -live23:24
asacthis XError annoys me really23:25
asache error was 'BadWindow (invalid Window parameter)'. (Details: serial 945 error_code 3 request_code 20 minor_code 0)23:25
asacmicahg: did we get more bugs on that ?23:25
asacdo you know?23:25
micahgI don't remember seeing more bugs on that one23:26
micahgjsut comments23:26
* micahg will look23:26
BUGabundognomefreak: jaunty ?23:26
gnomefreakim on jaunty atm23:26
asacmicahg: yeah. i searched already ... no match for BadWindow in ffox 3.523:27
BUGabundognomefreak: but that pastebin say jaunty23:27
asacbut that might just be the search feature ;)23:27
micahgI haven't seen any23:27
gnomefreak# $1 = base url, not including http://:  cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/daily-live/current # $2 = image name: jaunty-desktop-amd64.iso23:27
asacits super annoying ... i cannot even start ffox 3.5 (nor 3.6)23:27
gnomefreakBUGabundo: you mean that?23:27
micahgbut I do have a lot of bugs for Ff3.5 recommends ubufox23:27
asacneed to use --sync23:27
BUGabundognomefreak: yep23:27
BUGabundoasac: ahh thtat23:28
gnomefreakBUGabundo: that is a comment so it shouldnt affect it right?23:28
BUGabundoI get soooo many of those23:28
BUGabundoand on 3.6 too23:28
micahgasac: did you see that we've been blog blasted23:28
BUGabundoasac: told fta about it, he didn't care23:28
BUGabundognomefreak: right23:28
asacmicahg: did you make a  master bug ?23:28
asacmicahg: by whom?23:28
micahgasac: http://blog.smartcube.co.za/2009/07/08/what-shiretoko-isnt-firefox/23:28
micahgasac: I've been duping them23:29
micahgI'll mark it master23:29
gnomefreakBUGabundo: should i change that to the iso im grabbing?23:29
gnomefreaka # shouldnt matter what it says after it though23:29
ftaBUGabundo: what didn't I care about?23:30
BUGabundognomefreak: no need23:30
BUGabundofta: all those startup crashs on FF that require --sync to force open it23:30
ftahm, i don't remember any of those23:31
gnomefreakBUGabundo: than it is right and should work however it doesnt just grabs the md5sum for it. only thing i can think of is that its  anew download so no updates have been uploaded to server23:31
ftabut i'm easily distracted23:31
micahgasac: the new problem with recommending ubufox is that it pulls ff3.0 in on jaunty23:31
gnomefreakasac: demoting ubufox to suggestions should fix the 3.0 drag23:31
BUGabundognomefreak: you should at least get stats on ZERO changes23:32
asacyeah. that was asked for in the past23:32
asacmaybe we can do that23:32
micahgasac: bug 36596523:32
ubottuLaunchpad bug 365965 in ubufox "[MASTER] Firefox3.5 recommends ubufox but should suggest ubufox" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/36596523:32
asac but i wont rush out an update23:32
gnomefreakBUGabundo: here is output of script http://pastebin.mozilla.org/66161323:33
asacand users can use apt-get install --no-recommends-install23:33
asacor something23:33
asacmicahg: is that the oldest bug?23:33
BUGabundognomefreak:  total size is 0   speedup is 0.00 rsync error: some files/attrs were not  transferred (see previous errors) (code 23) at main.c(1524) [receiver=3.0.5]23:33
BUGabundonever seen that error before23:33
micahgyeah, from Apr 0923:33
asacmicahg: yeah23:33
asacthats the one23:33
BUGabundowaut.... are you sure your servers accepts rsync?23:33
micahgasac: I'll add your thing as a workaround23:33
gnomefreakBUGabundo: me neither23:33
asacnot so sure anymore23:34
BUGabundognomefreak: is it cdimage ?23:34
asac i thoguth there was an older bug ... but well ;)23:34
gnomefreakBUGabundo: yes23:34
asacmicahg: look up the exact option in manpage to be sure23:34
BUGabundognomefreak: try cli version23:34
micahgjust tried it to be sure and it failed :)23:34
micahgI'll do that23:34
BUGabundognomefreak:  rsync -vvhP --stats rsync://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/daily/current/karmic-alternate-i386.iso23:34
asacmicahg: its --no-install-recommends23:34
micahgtested and works :)23:36
gnomefreakBUGabundo: you mean http://pastebin.mozilla.org/66161523:39
BUGabundognomefreak: karmic alternate-i386.iso23:40
BUGabundowhy a BLANK space there????23:40
BUGabundoIt should be a .23:40
gnomefreakill try it but the script should still work23:41
gnomefreakhttp://pastebin.mozilla.org/661619 BUGabundo23:41
gnomefreakBUGabundo: i have to go if you figure it out please email me so i can work on it tomorrow im really not feeling good23:42
BUGabundognomefreak: WIN23:43
BUGabundoits working now23:43
gnomefreakworks like that just not in script23:43
BUGabundoyou already have the ALL image23:43
BUGabundodid you sed daily-live/daily?23:43
gnomefreakright looks like command worked23:43
gnomefreakno sed in script23:44
gnomefreakok im gone23:44
micahgasac: what to do...people don't get it bug 39692823:45
ubottuLaunchpad bug 396928 in firefox-3.5 "Firefox 3.5 identifies as Shiretoko" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/39692823:45
micahgI thought your last blog post was crystal clear23:49
asacmicahg: its ok23:51
asacmicahg: there will always be folks complaining23:51
micahgshould I respond?23:51
asacseems he actually accepted it23:51
asackeep it open, so we can merge in new duplicates23:52
asacif he opens a new bug about user agent, we can answer and explain23:52
asacthen he probably whines a bit, but thats how it is ;)23:52
micahgI already marked invalid23:52
asacmicahg: you can mark it wont fix23:52
asacthat expresses the state better23:53
asacand still honours the fact that the reporter is at least a bit right23:53
asacwhich usually calms them down a bit23:53
asacsome users are still ranting around ... for those, its even ok to keep the bugs at confirmed23:53
asacjust to keep them silent23:53
micahgif it gets bad, I'll do that23:53
micahgdo I need to comment on the change to won't fix23:53
asacdont do that on your own23:53
asacusually those folks bitch around and set the state to confirmed on their own23:54
asacdont change it back, leave it that way23:54
asacthey will otherwise just cost bandwith ;)23:54
micahgwhat about the won't fix for this bug, should I comment or just change the status?23:54
asacmicahg: you can leave a comment like "wontfix seems to be a better fit for this bug state, changing ..."23:55
asacor just say nothing23:55
asacmicahg: or keep it at invalid23:55
asaci mean if he doesnt complain it doesnt matter ;)23:55
asacbut this is typically a a wont fix bug23:56
micahgah, I think I just mentally grouped it with that HTML5 bug and marked it invalid23:57
micahgI'll leave it I guess23:57
asacyeah the other is invalid23:57
asacwell, you could also say wont fix23:57
asacif he files in a "request change to firefox" way23:57
asacif he says its a problem on our side its invalid though ;)23:58

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