[00:00] wtf [00:00] andrew_sayers: for hardy its not the right answer [00:00] oh [00:00] andrew_sayers: we dont have a hardy build yet. only thing we have is a hardy daily build [00:00] fta: ive seen it in motu and ubuntuone so far [00:00] andrew_sayers: that one is a bit ahead of 3.5 final [00:00] should be more or less stable to run 3.5 [00:00] but of course not risk free [00:00] (daily that is) [00:00] asac: should we just copy over packages from daily to mt PA? [00:00] https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-daily/+archive/ppa [00:01] gnomefreak: no. we should create a -milestones/backports PPA [00:01] asac: How would you compare it to downloading the version from the FF website? [00:01] sounds good. the team should beable to make another PPA [00:01] (Which is apparently the recommendation being given out in #ubuntu) [00:01] andrew_sayers: dont understand the question [00:02] andrew_sayers: you get proper packages if you use our PPA [00:02] andrew_sayers: our changes are not in the official version :) [00:03] i will try to get them done this week if the reinstall goes ok and see if we can still make another one or is it just people that can have 2 [00:03] I'm rewriting https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion, and apparently it's important to have instructions for Hardy users. [00:04] andrew_sayers: wont have any good info until i find out about PPA info on teams but im looking now [00:04] The current proposal is to recommend they install from http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/products/download.html?product=firefox-3.5&os=linux&lang=en-US [00:04] ah, you're the guy responsible for that page :) andrew_sayers [00:04] ok i can make a new PPA for the team [00:04] Well, I've grabbed responsibility, apparently not without causing some ripples :) [00:05] I did a little editing on that page [00:05] andrew_sayers: i dont think we should point users there [00:05] andrew_sayers: sorry we have been a bit more concerned about bugs and Karmic more so than providing packages for hardy :) [00:05] they still will have ffox 3 on their system and use the same profile with both browses [00:06] which might cause profile damage if not all up-downgrade paths are properly tested [00:06] asac: if you make and name the PPA i will start on them tmorrow or thursday since you have enough to do so far for me seamonkey is done and i have time until i get to m-d [00:07] asac: was that problem with the search engines not being shipped with 3.5 fixed? [00:07] i should have at least hardy done by friday barring anything important pop up [00:07] micahg: i have a ton of them in 3.5 by default [00:08] gnomefreak: do you have 3.0 installed? [00:09] ok im going to install now maqybe be done with everything and back to good state by tomorrow late morning or so [00:09] micahg: yes [00:09] i dont use it but its there [00:09] right [00:09] that's why you have search engines [00:09] andrew_sayers: can you wait a few days with the hardy content? [00:09] if you remove 3.0 they will disappear [00:09] andrew_sayers: we are currently trying to figure out where to put our milestone builds [00:09] http://packages.ubuntu.com/jaunty/amd64/firefox-3.5/filelist vs http://packages.ubuntu.com/jaunty/amd64/firefox-3.0/filelist [00:09] andrew_sayers: just tell them we are working on it [00:10] ok im gone asac if you remember please let me know ( we can always make a new team like mozilla backports team or something) [00:11] Okay, sounds good to me. I'll let you guys know when the page is updated, and I'd appreciate someone checking that I've not implied something wrong. [00:11] * gnomefreak ready for a long damn night see you in morning [00:11] andrew_sayers: whatever you do do not recommend getting from mozilla site its too much rtouble in long run [00:11] * gnomefreak out [00:12] asac: it seems like the search engines are still missing from karmic and jaunty ff3.5 builds [00:22] o_O bluekuja is here ;) [00:22] ghost [00:22] :D [00:23] hello alex [00:23] so happy to see u again [00:23] :) [00:25] * BUGabundo wonders who bluekuja is :) [00:25] new nick? [00:25] no [00:26] are you a new member? :) [00:26] me? no [00:26] I was here since 2006 [00:26] here on this #? since 2008 I think [00:26] I was away for an year [00:27] that's why we didnt meet up [00:27] ahhh right [00:27] welcome back then [00:27] ty [00:27] seems today is Welcome Back day [00:28] lol [00:28] who went back apart me? [00:29] Okay, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion now recommends older releases check back in a few days, and warns against installing from the website. [00:30] If I'm not about when FF 3.5 becomes available for Hardy, please add the instructions to the page without waiting for me. [00:31] bluekuja: gnomefreak [00:31] he underwent a few cirugies [00:32] and still have at least one more scheduled [00:32] yeah, I knew [00:32] I hope everything is ok for him [00:32] he will be back! [00:33] he was just here [00:33] (12:12:04 AM) gnomefreak left the room (quit: "Lost terminal"). [00:33] (12:22:39 AM) bluekuja [n=andrea@ubuntu/member/bluekuja] entered the room. [00:33] you missed him by that much [00:33] aww [00:33] yeah [00:33] asac, still here? [00:36] gnight [00:44] Just to be clear, which releases are expected to get FF 3.5 in the long-run? Hardy and Intrepid, but not below? [00:46] andrew_sayers: Dapper Desktop LTS support ended last month [00:46] everything else below hardy is EOL [00:46] andrew_sayers: intrepid might not either [00:46] depending on the work involved [00:47] the only reason to give it to hardy that people have proposed is because hardy is LTS [00:47] andrew_sayers: [00:47] < This archive holds Firefox updates that are currently undergoing security testing. [00:48] ah, you're still here asac [00:48] > This archive holds Firefox (and other mozilla) security & stability updates that are currently undergoing pre-release testing [00:49] andrew_sayers: also we might want to indicate how risky a PPA is [00:49] e.g. daily -> potentially dangerious [00:49] security -> pretty safe (only stability security fixes that already got some pre-QA upstream) [00:50] andrew_sayers: not sure if we should really say "Do not install mozilla builds" in the paragraph title [00:50] maybe use "mozilla builds" as a section [00:51] and then below say, that use of packages is encouraged for ubuntu users, but if they still want to use upstream builds they can go HERE to read instructions [00:51] also they should remember to mention that they used mozilla builds in their bug reports ;) [00:52] micahg: just back for a minute ;) [00:52] asac: what about the search engines? [00:52] I'm not sure whether beginners know the word "build" in that context. I'll go and have a play with it all though :) [00:52] andrew_sayers: yeah. just wanted to give some ideas [00:52] its your page ;) [00:52] So installing from the website might be the only option for determined Intrepid-users? [00:53] andrew_sayers: if they want it now, but dont want dailies, yes. [00:53] I dispute that :p [00:53] But there will be an official Intrepid build eventually? [00:53] for now leave that sectino out so they can see that there is progress [00:53] yes [00:53] same releases as -daily [00:54] hey, i'm searching around for the reason why libmozjs-dev hasn't been updated with xulrunner-1.9.1. Why the conflict? [00:54] rleeds: because its from the rotten old xul 1.8 package still [00:54] 1.9 doesnt have it [00:54] Okay great, I'll make those changes. [00:54] asac, ahh. 1.9 doesn't have it. Where did it go? [00:54] rleeds: i never existed ;) [00:54] it was debian maintain invention [00:54] its now in xulrunner-dev [00:55] asac, so I should just install xulrunner-dev and I can build apps which require it? [00:55] maybe ... maybe not [00:55] depends on the app [00:55] asac, of course. [00:55] and how the build system works etc. [00:55] good apps work with our packages, bad apps dont [00:56] specifically, I'm working with couchdb [00:56] asac: Mike Hommey just posted ff3.5 in experimental soon [00:56] rleeds: the package in karmic works [00:56] i fixed that recently [00:56] asac, Trying to build trunk, though. But thanks. [00:56] rleeds: pick the patch [00:56] upstream them [00:56] its in the package [00:58] andrew_sayers: also 6. in security is bad [00:58] andrew_sayers: we want to encourage users to run that PPA [00:58] andrew_sayers: we have to explain them that there is a bit of an added risk, but running that ppa and reporting regressions that happen after upgrades here [00:58] is a great contribution to ubuntu [00:58] * micahg should run teh security ppa then :) [00:59] definitly [00:59] ;) [01:00] asac, thanks [01:01] asac: That's evil genius. Saying "please test our code" will scare off people that shouldn't be running pre-release stuff much better than "please don't use our code" >:) [01:01] andrew_sayers: i dont want to scare them off ;) [01:01] i just want more users running -security :) [01:01] voluntarily [01:01] folks hunting for ffox 3.5 now are the perfect target i think [01:02] my mother wouldnt be looking for it at least ;) [01:02] Depends on the users though - you want the type that will report bugs to you, not the type that will complain how Ubuntu doesn't work to their friends. [01:02] My brother would, and you don't want him :) [01:02] asac: we're gonna have issues with 3.5 if people remove 3.0 [01:03] andrew_sayers: yes. we should be mildly honest about the facts, but dont tell them to disable the PPA imo [01:03] micahg: i dont think thats an issue for jautny [01:03] its just the search engines right? [01:04] afaik [01:04] for karmic it will be though [01:04] yeah. i think thats acceptable for jaunty and will be solved for karmic [01:04] ok [01:04] then I'll stop bugging you [01:04] no thats ok ;) [01:04] i should think about a real solution so you can remove either and keep your searchplugins intact [01:05] yes [01:05] firefox-common maybe? [01:05] yeah thats one option [01:05] mybe there are more. i am not sure [01:07] you can get really specific [01:07] firefox-search-plugins-default [01:07] and then have an extras package [01:14] asac: Do you have a recommended HERE with instructions for people that want to install the upstream version? [01:23] Anyway, update made. I'll put some instructions together later. [01:25] micahg: yeah. sounds better [04:43] Question, is there a reason when I look at mail reader I have a "Thunderbird" and a "Mozilla Thunderbird/News" as 2 different entries? [04:44] br122: do you have multiple versions installed? [04:44] Not to my knowledge, micahg [04:45] can you post dpkg -l | grep thunderbird to paste.ubuntu.com [04:46] http://paste.ubuntu.com/212381/ [04:47] Is that 2 different versions? [04:47] no [04:47] hmmm [04:49] It should be Mozilla Thudnerbird Mail/News [04:50] br122: what window enviroment? [04:52] Is that the same as desktop environment? [04:52] I'm new to ubuntu [04:52] yes [04:52] sorry [04:52] GNOME if it is, if it isn't.. [04:52] yep [04:52] ok [04:53] and you're on 9.04? [04:55] Yes [04:55] can you try this: locate thunderbird.desktop [04:56] its in /usr/share/applications [04:56] just 1? [04:57] Yea [04:57] hmmm [04:57] weird [04:57] wait [04:57] /usr/share/app-install/desktop/thunderbird.desktop [04:58] there is that one too [04:58] ah [04:58] those 2 are normal [05:00] not sure br122 [05:00] you can open a bug [05:00] ubuntu-bug thunderbird [05:08] Thanks, micahg [06:58] asac: ping [06:58] asac: the plasma-widget-network-manager failed to build === micahg1 is now known as micahg [09:55] eagles0513875: yes. have no time for that atm [09:55] the svn tree is not buildable atm [09:55] upstream sucks ;) [09:56] ill talk with someone upstream [09:57] kde folks alrewady do that === asac_ is now known as asac [10:22] hehe [10:23] i mean the kubuntu dev lead promissed me to talk to him tomorrow [10:23] if i were you i wouldnt hold my breath ;) [10:23] file upstream bugs directly maybe [10:25] ya im trying to get hold of latest svn source and compile myself [10:25] eagles0513875: i gave you instructions [10:25] i have them [10:25] eagles0513875: dont try [10:25] it doesnt build [10:25] its broken [10:25] they moved files without fixing build system [10:25] oh [10:25] after fixing that they have non-existing symbols used [10:26] thats what i mean by "upstream sucks" ;) [10:27] so for me it feels like he did some code writing without testing and committed it so he doesnt loose all progress [10:27] ppa weather: http://identi.ca/notice/6188970 [10:27] ya [11:48] http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2009/07/introducing-google-chrome-os.html [12:10] yeah [12:10] old news ;) [12:10] jk [12:55] asac, it was more for the number of chrome users [12:56] pff, i386 - 315 builds waiting in queue [14:29] asac: you there? [14:58] now a bit travelling ... bbl [15:15] asac, remember when you asked about http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/ff_fonts.png ? i've got an arch user sitting behind me that says he's seen it in FF w/ Xfce and now he's seeing it in Konqueror & Konsole in KDE 4.2.4 [15:26] asac, nevermind. ogra gave me the lp bug # [15:26] (which is fixed) [15:48] bluekuja: you need to replay the changes that were NMUed so they are in the branch/changelog [15:48] bluekuja: also upgrade your bzr branch [15:48] it takes ages to branch [15:50] bluekuja: it adds Dm-Uploaders ... pleaes get that uploaded by the current maintainer [17:31] Is there anything on our Wiki about FF3.5? Something explaining why its called Shiretoko and/or instructions to set it as the default browser? [17:35] Pici: will be back in a few ... for now we have [17:36] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion [17:36] we could add info how to make it default there [17:36] for the branding we have http://www.asoftsite.org/s9y/archives/161-FAQ-Why-is-my-firefox-3.5-still-called-Shiretoko.html [17:36] Pici: ^ [17:36] asac: thank you [17:43] !ff35 [17:43] Firefox 3.5 Final is available for Jaunty by installing the package firefox-3.5 | FF3.5 is referred to as Shiretoko on your UI, see http://is.gd/1reB3 for more info | Hardy & Intrepid: http://is.gd/1jkNY [17:44] Hopefully that helps us fend off some of the more frequently asked questions. [17:48] great [17:48] thx [18:28] fta: Applying patch bz488710_sqlite_systemlib_backout.patch [18:28] patching file configure.in [18:28] Hunk #1 FAILED at 123. [18:28] 1 out of 1 hunk FAILED -- rejects in file configure.in [18:28] Patch bz488710_sqlite_systemlib_backout.patch does not apply (enforce with -f) [18:28] make: *** [debian/stamp-patched] Error 1 [18:28] thats on .intrepid branch [18:28] too bad [18:28] fta: you think you could update your patch there? [18:28] http://launchpadlibrarian.net/28795908/buildlog_ubuntu-intrepid-i386.xulrunner-1.9_1.9.0.12%2Bbuild1%2Bnobinonly-0ubuntu0.8.10.1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz [18:29] https://code.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/xulrunner/xulrunner-1.9.intrepid [18:30] asac, my patch? [18:31] fta: yeah. you did that patch afaik ;) [18:31] mozilla bug 488710 [18:31] Mozilla bug 488710 in Storage "Upgrade to sqlite 3.6.7 on the 1.9.0 branch" [Normal,Verified: fixed] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=488710 [18:32] asac, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/xulrunner/xulrunner-1.9.intrepid/revision/154 [18:32] it's yours [18:33] heh [18:33] yeah [18:33] just saw that i committed [18:33] guess i confused it with the hunspell one [18:33] it's a 1 line patch anyway [18:42] asac, back [18:43] asac, I gonna remove the Dm stuff [18:43] it's not needed yet [18:43] plus the maintainer is MIA [18:44] ok [18:44] fta: ok i will do that then i guess ;) [18:44] asac, the NMU was only a rebuild [18:44] so i gonna add that changelog entry [18:44] and that's all [18:44] no changes needed [18:45] asac, am i right? [18:46] I guess something changed python-side and doko rebuilt the package to get those changes with a new rebuild [18:46] that's it [18:47] let me fix those and it's rdy [18:50] i dont know ;) [18:50] i just saw that there was an upload [18:50] which wasnt in the log [18:54] yep [18:54] bzr upgraded [18:54] removed Dm stuff [18:54] now pushing new changelog and it's rdy [18:58] asac, done [18:58] asac, package should be ready now === dpm__ is now known as dpm [19:01] asac, http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/ppa-queues2.png [19:15] asac, ping when done [19:15] bluekuja: dont block on me. i cant upload till weekend as i dont have a debian system here anyway ... so finish everything i will look on weekend [19:16] oh aww [19:16] asac: are themes in 3.5 part of the official branding? [19:16] the default theme [19:16] micahg: yes [19:16] asac, building on pbuilder no? [19:16] ok [19:17] you don't have unstable on pbuilder [19:17] no [19:17] and also no time [19:17] oki npp [19:17] my own debian work has to wait too ;) [19:17] ok [19:17] asac: so bug 396786 I should mark triaged and note will be fixed in karmic when made default browser and branded? [19:17] Launchpad bug 396786 in firefox-3.5 "Default theme missing in Firefox 3.5" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/396786 [19:19] micahg: i dont see that bug [19:19] micahg: ah you asked if its part of official branding [19:19] no its not [19:19] its there [19:19] you have default theme? [19:19] he says he cannot switch back [19:19] I have the 3.0.11 default theme [19:19] greyed out [19:20] yes, if the user wanted to toggle between new and original theme like in 3.0.11 [19:20] does it just not show up as an option? [19:20] micahg: i tested it and i could switch back and forth when using some random theme [19:21] so i believe that whatever theme he tries is the problem [19:21] what theme is showing up for you? [19:21] default [19:21] I don't have a default listed for 3.5 in mine [19:21] I'm running the jaunty build [19:22] micahg: where are you looking ? [19:22] tools -> Addons -> Themes [19:24] micahg: you have a screenshot what you see? [19:24] All I see is the default 3.0.11 theme [19:24] I can giv eyou a screenshot later [19:24] I have to get ready for work now [19:25] ok [19:53] * armin76 waves to asac [19:54] ola armin76 [19:55] micahg: so what ar ethe most pressing issues now? searchplugins, extensions and what? [20:05] * gnomefreak is *pissed* [20:07] dont be [20:07] i lost all ~6 gigs of backup including all my mp3 [20:07] that usually leads to suboptimal results ;) [20:07] oh [20:07] :) [20:08] well. then. [20:08] exception granted ;) [20:09] :) thanks. now i just need to figure out how to set this up right again [20:09] i worked all night on this, i slept for about an hour this afternoon to make up for last night [20:10] * gnomefreak knowsd why installer fails at least [20:12] !daily [20:12] Daily builds of the CD images of the current development version of Ubuntu are available at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/ and http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ [20:15] asac: alternate installer is text based or live? [20:15] * gnomefreak thinking text [20:19] somw of these are nice https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Karmic/Backgrounds/Default [20:24] there is no useful info on how to use rsync (man page is too cryptic [20:44] asac, one question [20:44] asac, if upstream ships a debian dir on orig [20:45] can I delete it and use an orig. without it? [20:45] if upstream releases the tarball with debian/ you can strip it off, but have to indicate it in the version [20:45] also you have to mention it in copyright [20:45] and README.source [20:45] and make the get-orig-source accordingly [20:46] ok, i gonna keep having it on orig like old revisions [20:46] it's not a problem [20:57] asac: in preferred applications i have custom firefox-3.5 %s it keeps opening a new window and i want it to open in tabs is there something i can add to it to make it do it? i have it set to open tabs in preffereneces but it doesnt [20:59] i might know what is going on :( [20:59] fixed it. [21:00] ok im gone for a while this download is going to be a while [21:08] micahg: do you know how to use rsync to update a file from a site? [21:08] * gnomefreak cant find the rsync expert [21:09] asac: did we find a place for the 3.5 hardy intrepid builds? [21:10] * gnomefreak can start on them tomorrow at the soonest. maybe we should add another PPA to the team [21:13] gnomefreak you need to configure "pen links in new tab" in the preferences dialog [21:13] (in firefox) [21:13] yeah i got it working i had 3.0 open and had links set to 3.5 [21:30] reed left again :( [21:34] asac: maybe we should make a note the FF3.5 on Jaunty requires FF3.0 [21:42] it doesnt require it it shouldnt at least [21:42] FF depends on xulrunner not other versions of FF [21:42] well [21:43] it will install by default [21:43] due to the ubufox recommendation [21:43] and ubufox requires ff3.0 [21:43] it won't be a problem on karmic with ubufox fixed [21:43] but it will on jaunty [21:43] yes 3.0 is installed by default and can be removed IIRC without removing half the system since we started depending on xulrunner [21:43] yes [21:44] but we're getting a flurry of bugs because of the ff3.5 connection with ubufox [21:44] that doesn't even work [21:44] micahg: that is a fix in ubufox but as i recall ubufox was moved to suggestions [21:44] thats for the info now i need to add ubufox to my xulrunner and firefox builds [21:45] gnomefreak: not in jaunty [21:45] in hardy [21:45] since im building for hardy/intrepid i will half to add ubufox since hardys doesnt support anything > than 3.0 [21:45] now there's two problems with the recommendation [21:46] 1. KDE users go nuts because ubufox drags gnome libs [21:46] firefox alone brings in gnome libs [21:46] 2. ff3.5 will install ff3.0 on jaunty because of ubufox [21:46] gnomefreak: ff brings gtk [21:46]