[00:00] <gnomefreak> wtf
[00:00] <asac> andrew_sayers: for hardy its not the right answer
[00:00] <gnomefreak> oh
[00:00] <asac> andrew_sayers: we dont have a hardy build yet. only thing we have is  a hardy daily build
[00:00] <gnomefreak> fta: ive seen it in motu and ubuntuone so far
[00:00] <asac> andrew_sayers: that one is a bit ahead of 3.5 final
[00:00] <asac> should be more or less stable to run 3.5
[00:00] <asac> but of course not risk free
[00:00] <asac> (daily that is)
[00:00] <gnomefreak> asac: should we just copy over packages from daily to mt PA?
[00:00] <asac> https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-daily/+archive/ppa
[00:01] <asac> gnomefreak: no. we should create a -milestones/backports PPA
[00:01] <andrew_sayers> asac: How would you compare it to downloading the version from the FF website?
[00:01] <gnomefreak> sounds good. the team should beable to make another PPA
[00:01] <andrew_sayers> (Which is apparently the recommendation being given out in #ubuntu)
[00:01] <asac> andrew_sayers: dont understand the question
[00:02] <asac> andrew_sayers: you get proper packages if you use our PPA
[00:02] <gnomefreak> andrew_sayers: our changes are not in the official version :)
[00:03] <gnomefreak> i will try to get them done this week if the reinstall goes ok and see if we can still make another one or is it just people that can have 2
[00:03] <andrew_sayers> I'm rewriting https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion, and apparently it's important to have instructions for Hardy users.
[00:04] <gnomefreak> andrew_sayers: wont have any good info until i find out about PPA info on teams but im looking now
[00:04] <andrew_sayers> The current proposal is to recommend they install from http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/products/download.html?product=firefox-3.5&os=linux&lang=en-US
[00:04] <micahg> ah, you're the guy responsible for that page :) andrew_sayers
[00:04] <gnomefreak> ok i can make a new PPA for the team
[00:04] <andrew_sayers> Well, I've grabbed responsibility, apparently not without causing some ripples :)
[00:05] <micahg> I did a little editing on that page
[00:05] <asac> andrew_sayers: i dont think we should point users there
[00:05] <gnomefreak> andrew_sayers: sorry we have been a bit more concerned about bugs and Karmic more so than providing packages for hardy :)
[00:05] <asac> they still will have ffox 3 on their system and use the same profile with both browses
[00:06] <asac> which might cause profile damage if not all up-downgrade paths are properly tested
[00:06] <gnomefreak> asac: if you make and name the PPA i will start on them tmorrow or thursday since you have enough to do so far for me seamonkey is done and i have time until i get to m-d
[00:07] <micahg> asac: was that problem with the search engines not being shipped with 3.5 fixed?
[00:07] <gnomefreak> i should have at least hardy done by friday barring anything important pop up
[00:07] <gnomefreak> micahg: i have a ton of them in 3.5 by default
[00:08] <micahg> gnomefreak: do you have 3.0 installed?
[00:09] <gnomefreak> ok im going to install now maqybe be done with everything and back to good state by tomorrow late morning or so
[00:09] <gnomefreak> micahg: yes
[00:09] <gnomefreak> i dont use it but its there
[00:09] <micahg> right
[00:09] <micahg> that's why you have search engines
[00:09] <asac> andrew_sayers: can you wait a few days with the hardy content?
[00:09] <micahg> if you remove 3.0 they will disappear
[00:09] <asac> andrew_sayers: we are currently trying to figure out where to put our milestone builds
[00:09] <micahg> http://packages.ubuntu.com/jaunty/amd64/firefox-3.5/filelist vs http://packages.ubuntu.com/jaunty/amd64/firefox-3.0/filelist
[00:09] <gnomefreak> andrew_sayers: just tell them we are working on it
[00:10] <gnomefreak> ok im gone asac if you remember please let me know ( we can always make a new team like mozilla backports team or something)
[00:11] <andrew_sayers> Okay, sounds good to me.  I'll let you guys know when the page is updated, and I'd appreciate someone checking that I've not implied something wrong.
[00:11]  * gnomefreak ready for a long damn night see you in morning
[00:11] <gnomefreak> andrew_sayers: whatever you do do not recommend getting from mozilla site its too much rtouble in long run
[00:11]  * gnomefreak out
[00:12] <micahg> asac: it seems like the search engines are still missing from karmic and jaunty ff3.5 builds
[00:22] <asac> o_O bluekuja is here ;)
[00:22] <bluekuja> ghost
[00:22] <bluekuja> :D
[00:23] <bluekuja> hello alex
[00:23] <bluekuja> so happy to see u again
[00:23] <bluekuja> :)
[00:25]  * BUGabundo wonders who bluekuja is :)
[00:25] <BUGabundo> new nick?
[00:25] <bluekuja> no
[00:26] <bluekuja> are you a new member? :)
[00:26] <BUGabundo> me? no
[00:26] <bluekuja> I was here since 2006
[00:26] <BUGabundo> here on this #? since 2008 I think
[00:26] <bluekuja> I was away for an year
[00:27] <bluekuja> that's why we didnt meet up
[00:27] <BUGabundo> ahhh right
[00:27] <BUGabundo> welcome back then
[00:27] <bluekuja> ty
[00:27] <BUGabundo> seems today is Welcome Back day
[00:28] <bluekuja> lol
[00:28] <bluekuja> who went back apart me?
[00:29] <andrew_sayers> Okay, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion now recommends older releases check back in a few days, and warns against installing from the website.
[00:30] <andrew_sayers> If I'm not about when FF 3.5 becomes available for Hardy, please add the instructions to the page without waiting for me.
[00:31] <BUGabundo> bluekuja: gnomefreak
[00:31] <BUGabundo> he underwent a few cirugies
[00:32] <BUGabundo> and still have at least one more scheduled
[00:32] <bluekuja> yeah, I knew
[00:32] <bluekuja> I hope everything is ok for him
[00:32] <bluekuja> he will be back!
[00:33] <BUGabundo> he was just here
[00:33] <BUGabundo> (12:12:04 AM) gnomefreak left the room (quit: "Lost terminal").
[00:33] <BUGabundo> (12:22:39 AM) bluekuja [n=andrea@ubuntu/member/bluekuja] entered the room.
[00:33] <BUGabundo> you missed him by that much
[00:33] <bluekuja> aww
[00:33] <bluekuja> yeah
[00:33] <bluekuja> asac, still here?
[00:36] <bluekuja> gnight
[00:44] <andrew_sayers> Just to be clear, which releases are expected to get FF 3.5 in the long-run?  Hardy and Intrepid, but not below?
[00:46] <micahg> andrew_sayers: Dapper Desktop LTS support ended last month
[00:46] <micahg> everything else below hardy is EOL
[00:46] <micahg> andrew_sayers: intrepid might not either
[00:46] <micahg> depending on the work involved
[00:47] <micahg> the only reason to give it to hardy that people have proposed is because hardy is LTS
[00:47] <asac> andrew_sayers:
[00:47] <asac> < This archive holds Firefox updates that are currently undergoing security testing.
[00:48] <micahg> ah, you're still here asac
[00:48] <asac> > This archive holds Firefox (and other mozilla) security & stability updates that are currently undergoing pre-release testing
[00:49] <asac> andrew_sayers: also we might want to indicate how risky a PPA is
[00:49] <asac> e.g. daily -> potentially dangerious
[00:49] <asac> security -> pretty safe (only stability security fixes that already got some pre-QA upstream)
[00:50] <asac> andrew_sayers: not sure if we should really say "Do not install mozilla builds" in the paragraph title
[00:50] <asac> maybe use "mozilla builds" as a section
[00:51] <asac> and then below say, that use of packages is encouraged for ubuntu users, but if they still want to use upstream builds they can go HERE to read instructions
[00:51] <asac> also they should remember to mention that they used mozilla builds in their bug reports ;)
[00:52] <asac> micahg: just back for a minute ;)
[00:52] <micahg> asac: what about the search engines?
[00:52] <andrew_sayers> I'm not sure whether beginners know the word "build" in that context.  I'll go and have a play with it all though :)
[00:52] <asac> andrew_sayers: yeah. just wanted to give some ideas
[00:52] <asac> its your page ;)
[00:52] <andrew_sayers> So installing from the website might be the only option for determined Intrepid-users?
[00:53] <asac> andrew_sayers: if they want it now, but dont want dailies, yes.
[00:53] <andrew_sayers> I dispute that :p
[00:53] <andrew_sayers> But there will be an official Intrepid build eventually?
[00:53] <asac> for now leave that sectino out so they can see that there is progress
[00:53] <asac> yes
[00:53] <asac> same releases as -daily
[00:54] <rleeds> hey, i'm searching around for the reason why libmozjs-dev hasn't been updated with xulrunner-1.9.1. Why the conflict?
[00:54] <asac> rleeds: because its from the rotten old xul 1.8 package still
[00:54] <asac> 1.9 doesnt have it
[00:54] <andrew_sayers> Okay great, I'll make those changes.
[00:54] <rleeds> asac, ahh. 1.9 doesn't have it. Where did it go?
[00:54] <asac> rleeds: i never existed ;)
[00:54] <asac> it was debian maintain invention
[00:54] <asac> its now in xulrunner-dev
[00:55] <rleeds> asac, so I should just install xulrunner-dev and I can build apps which require it?
[00:55] <asac> maybe ... maybe not
[00:55] <asac> depends on the app
[00:55] <rleeds> asac, of course.
[00:55] <asac> and how the build system works etc.
[00:55] <asac> good apps work with our packages, bad apps dont
[00:56] <rleeds> specifically, I'm working with couchdb
[00:56] <micahg> asac: Mike Hommey just posted ff3.5 in experimental soon
[00:56] <asac> rleeds: the package in karmic works
[00:56] <asac> i fixed that recently
[00:56] <rleeds> asac, Trying to build trunk, though. But thanks.
[00:56] <asac> rleeds: pick the patch
[00:56] <asac> upstream them
[00:56] <asac> its in the package
[00:58] <asac> andrew_sayers: also 6. in security is bad
[00:58] <asac> andrew_sayers: we want to encourage users to run that PPA
[00:58] <asac> andrew_sayers: we have to explain them that there is a bit of an added risk, but running that ppa and reporting regressions that happen after upgrades here
[00:58] <asac> is a great contribution to ubuntu
[00:58]  * micahg should run teh security ppa then :)
[00:59] <asac> definitly
[00:59] <asac> ;)
[01:00] <rleeds> asac, thanks
[01:01] <andrew_sayers> asac: That's evil genius.  Saying "please test our code" will scare off people that shouldn't be running pre-release stuff much better than "please don't use our code" >:)
[01:01] <asac> andrew_sayers: i dont want to scare them off ;)
[01:01] <asac> i just want more users running -security :)
[01:01] <asac> voluntarily
[01:01] <asac> folks hunting for ffox 3.5 now are the perfect target i think
[01:02] <asac> my mother wouldnt be looking for it at least ;)
[01:02] <andrew_sayers> Depends on the users though - you want the type that will report bugs to you, not the type that will complain how Ubuntu doesn't work to their friends.
[01:02] <andrew_sayers> My brother would, and you don't want him :)
[01:02] <micahg> asac: we're gonna have issues with 3.5 if people remove 3.0
[01:03] <asac> andrew_sayers: yes. we should be mildly honest about the facts, but dont tell them to disable the PPA imo
[01:03] <asac> micahg: i dont think thats an issue for jautny
[01:03] <asac> its just the search engines right?
[01:04] <micahg> afaik
[01:04] <micahg> for karmic it will be though
[01:04] <asac> yeah. i think thats acceptable for jaunty and will be solved for karmic
[01:04] <micahg> ok
[01:04] <micahg> then I'll stop bugging you
[01:04] <asac> no thats ok ;)
[01:04] <asac> i should think about a real solution so you can remove either and keep your searchplugins intact
[01:05] <micahg> yes
[01:05] <micahg> firefox-common maybe?
[01:05] <asac> yeah thats one option
[01:05] <asac> mybe there are more. i am not sure
[01:07] <micahg> you can get really specific
[01:07] <micahg> firefox-search-plugins-default
[01:07] <micahg> and then have an extras package
[01:14] <andrew_sayers> asac: Do you have a recommended HERE with instructions for people that want to install the upstream version?
[01:23] <andrew_sayers> Anyway, update made.  I'll put some instructions together later.
[01:25] <asac> micahg: yeah. sounds better
[04:43] <br122> Question, is there a reason when I look at mail reader I have a "Thunderbird" and a "Mozilla Thunderbird/News" as 2 different entries?
[04:44] <micahg> br122: do you have multiple versions installed?
[04:44] <br122> Not to my knowledge, micahg
[04:45] <micahg> can you post dpkg -l | grep thunderbird to paste.ubuntu.com
[04:46] <br122> http://paste.ubuntu.com/212381/
[04:47] <br122> Is that 2 different versions?
[04:47] <micahg> no
[04:47] <micahg> hmmm
[04:49] <micahg> It should be Mozilla Thudnerbird Mail/News
[04:50] <micahg> br122: what window enviroment?
[04:52] <br122> Is that the same as desktop environment?
[04:52] <br122> I'm new to ubuntu
[04:52] <micahg> yes
[04:52] <micahg> sorry
[04:52] <br122> GNOME if it is, if it isn't..
[04:52] <micahg> yep
[04:52] <micahg> ok
[04:53] <micahg> and you're on 9.04?
[04:55] <br122> Yes
[04:55] <micahg> can you try this: locate thunderbird.desktop
[04:56] <br122> its in /usr/share/applications
[04:56] <micahg> just 1?
[04:57] <br122> Yea
[04:57] <micahg> hmmm
[04:57] <micahg> weird
[04:57] <br122> wait
[04:57] <br122> /usr/share/app-install/desktop/thunderbird.desktop
[04:58] <br122> there is that one too
[04:58] <micahg> ah
[04:58] <micahg> those 2 are normal
[05:00] <micahg> not sure br122
[05:00] <micahg> you can open a bug
[05:00] <micahg> ubuntu-bug thunderbird
[05:08] <br122> Thanks, micahg
[06:58] <eagles0513875> asac: ping
[06:58] <eagles0513875> asac: the plasma-widget-network-manager failed to build
[09:55] <asac_> eagles0513875: yes. have no time for that atm
[09:55] <asac_> the svn tree is not buildable atm
[09:55] <asac_> upstream sucks ;)
[09:56] <eagles0513875> ill talk with someone upstream
[09:57] <asac_> kde folks alrewady do that
[10:22] <eagles0513875> hehe
[10:23] <asac> i mean the kubuntu dev lead promissed me to talk to him tomorrow
[10:23] <asac> if i were you i wouldnt hold my breath ;)
[10:23] <asac> file upstream bugs directly maybe
[10:25] <eagles0513875> ya im trying to get hold of latest svn source and compile myself
[10:25] <asac> eagles0513875: i gave you instructions
[10:25] <eagles0513875> i have them
[10:25] <asac> eagles0513875: dont try
[10:25] <asac> it doesnt build
[10:25] <asac> its broken
[10:25] <asac> they moved files without fixing build system
[10:25] <eagles0513875> oh
[10:25] <asac> after fixing that they have non-existing symbols used
[10:26] <asac> thats what i mean by "upstream sucks" ;)
[10:27] <asac> so for me it feels like he did some code writing without testing and committed it so he doesnt loose all progress
[10:27] <asac> ppa weather: http://identi.ca/notice/6188970
[10:27] <eagles0513875> ya
[11:48] <fta2> http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2009/07/introducing-google-chrome-os.html
[12:10] <asac> yeah
[12:10] <asac> old news ;)
[12:10] <asac> jk
[12:55] <fta2> asac, it was more for the number of chrome users
[12:56] <fta2> pff, i386 - 315 builds waiting in queue
[14:29] <bluekuja> asac: you there?
[14:58] <asac> now a bit travelling ... bbl
[15:15] <maco> asac, remember when you asked about http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/ff_fonts.png ? i've got an arch user sitting behind me that says he's seen it in FF w/ Xfce and now he's seeing it in Konqueror & Konsole in KDE 4.2.4
[15:26] <maco> asac, nevermind. ogra gave me the lp bug #
[15:26] <maco> (which is fixed)
[15:48] <asac> bluekuja: you need to replay the changes that were NMUed so they are in the branch/changelog
[15:48] <asac> bluekuja: also upgrade your bzr branch
[15:48] <asac> it takes ages to branch
[15:50] <asac> bluekuja: it adds Dm-Uploaders ... pleaes get that uploaded by the current maintainer
[17:31] <Pici> Is there anything on our Wiki about FF3.5? Something explaining why its called Shiretoko and/or instructions to set it as the default browser?
[17:35] <asac> Pici: will be back in a few ... for now we have
[17:36] <asac> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion
[17:36] <asac> we could add info how to make it default there
[17:36] <asac> for the branding we have http://www.asoftsite.org/s9y/archives/161-FAQ-Why-is-my-firefox-3.5-still-called-Shiretoko.html
[17:36] <asac> Pici: ^
[17:36] <Pici> asac: thank you
[17:43] <Pici> !ff35
[17:44] <Pici> Hopefully that helps us fend off some of the more frequently asked questions.
[17:48] <asac> great
[17:48] <asac> thx
[18:28] <asac> fta: Applying patch bz488710_sqlite_systemlib_backout.patch
[18:28] <asac> patching file configure.in
[18:28] <asac> Hunk #1 FAILED at 123.
[18:28] <asac> 1 out of 1 hunk FAILED -- rejects in file configure.in
[18:28] <asac> Patch bz488710_sqlite_systemlib_backout.patch does not apply (enforce with -f)
[18:28] <asac> make: *** [debian/stamp-patched] Error 1
[18:28] <asac> thats on .intrepid branch
[18:28] <asac> too bad
[18:28] <asac> fta: you think you could update your patch there?
[18:28] <asac> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/28795908/buildlog_ubuntu-intrepid-i386.xulrunner-1.9_1.9.0.12%2Bbuild1%2Bnobinonly-0ubuntu0.8.10.1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[18:29] <asac> https://code.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/xulrunner/xulrunner-1.9.intrepid
[18:30] <fta> asac, my patch?
[18:31] <asac> fta: yeah. you did that patch afaik ;)
[18:31] <asac> mozilla bug 488710
[18:32] <fta> asac, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/xulrunner/xulrunner-1.9.intrepid/revision/154
[18:32] <fta> it's yours
[18:33] <asac> heh
[18:33] <asac> yeah
[18:33] <asac> just saw that i committed
[18:33] <asac> guess i confused it with the hunspell one
[18:33] <fta> it's a 1 line patch anyway
[18:42] <bluekuja> asac, back
[18:43] <bluekuja> asac, I gonna remove the Dm stuff
[18:43] <bluekuja> it's not needed yet
[18:43] <bluekuja> plus the maintainer is MIA
[18:44] <asac> ok
[18:44] <asac> fta: ok i will do that then i guess ;)
[18:44] <bluekuja> asac, the NMU was only a rebuild
[18:44] <bluekuja> so i gonna add that changelog entry
[18:44] <bluekuja> and that's all
[18:44] <bluekuja> no changes needed
[18:45] <bluekuja> asac, am i right?
[18:46] <bluekuja> I guess something changed python-side and doko rebuilt the package to get those changes with a new rebuild
[18:46] <bluekuja> that's it
[18:47] <bluekuja> let me fix those and it's rdy
[18:50] <asac> i dont know ;)
[18:50] <asac> i just saw that there was an upload
[18:50] <asac> which wasnt in the log
[18:54] <bluekuja> yep
[18:54] <bluekuja> bzr upgraded
[18:54] <bluekuja> removed Dm stuff
[18:54] <bluekuja> now pushing new changelog and it's rdy
[18:58] <bluekuja> asac, done
[18:58] <bluekuja> asac, package should be ready now
[19:01] <fta> asac, http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/ppa-queues2.png
[19:15] <bluekuja> asac, ping when done
[19:15] <asac> bluekuja: dont block on me. i cant upload till weekend as i dont have a debian system here anyway ... so finish everything i will look on weekend
[19:16] <bluekuja> oh aww
[19:16] <micahg> asac: are themes in 3.5 part of the official branding?
[19:16] <micahg> the default theme
[19:16] <asac> micahg: yes
[19:16] <bluekuja> asac, building on pbuilder no?
[19:16] <micahg> ok
[19:17] <bluekuja> you don't have unstable on pbuilder
[19:17] <asac> no
[19:17] <asac> and also no time
[19:17] <bluekuja> oki npp
[19:17] <asac> my own debian work has to wait too ;)
[19:17] <bluekuja> ok
[19:17] <micahg> asac: so bug 396786 I should mark triaged and note will be fixed in karmic when made default browser and branded?
[19:19] <asac> micahg: i dont see that bug
[19:19] <asac> micahg: ah you asked if its part of official branding
[19:19] <asac> no its not
[19:19] <asac> its there
[19:19] <micahg> you have default theme?
[19:19] <asac> he says he cannot switch back
[19:19] <micahg> I have the 3.0.11 default theme
[19:19] <micahg> greyed out
[19:20] <micahg> yes, if the user wanted to toggle between new and original theme like in 3.0.11
[19:20] <micahg> does it just not show up as an option?
[19:20] <asac> micahg: i tested it and i could switch back and forth when using some random theme
[19:21] <asac> so i believe that whatever theme he tries is the problem
[19:21] <micahg> what theme is showing up for you?
[19:21] <asac> default
[19:21] <micahg> I don't have a default listed for 3.5 in mine
[19:21] <micahg> I'm running the jaunty build
[19:22] <asac> micahg: where are you looking ?
[19:22] <micahg> tools -> Addons -> Themes
[19:24] <asac> micahg: you have a screenshot what you see?
[19:24] <micahg> All I see is the default 3.0.11 theme
[19:24] <micahg> I can giv eyou a screenshot later
[19:24] <micahg> I have to get ready for work now
[19:25] <asac> ok
[19:53]  * armin76 waves to asac 
[19:54] <asac> ola armin76
[19:55] <asac> micahg: so what ar ethe most pressing issues now? searchplugins, extensions and what?
[20:05]  * gnomefreak is *pissed*
[20:07] <asac> dont be
[20:07] <gnomefreak> i lost all ~6 gigs of backup including all my mp3
[20:07] <asac> that usually leads to suboptimal results ;)
[20:07] <asac> oh
[20:07] <gnomefreak> :)
[20:08] <asac> well. then.
[20:08] <asac> exception granted ;)
[20:09] <gnomefreak> :) thanks. now i just need to figure out how to set this up right again
[20:09] <gnomefreak> i worked all night on this, i slept for about an hour this afternoon to make up for last night
[20:10]  * gnomefreak knowsd why installer fails at least
[20:12] <gnomefreak> !daily
[20:15] <gnomefreak> asac: alternate installer is text based or live?
[20:15]  * gnomefreak thinking text
[20:19] <gnomefreak> somw of these are nice https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Karmic/Backgrounds/Default
[20:24] <gnomefreak> there is no useful info on how to use rsync (man page is too cryptic
[20:44] <bluekuja> asac, one question
[20:44] <bluekuja> asac, if upstream ships a debian dir on orig
[20:45] <bluekuja> can I delete it and use an orig. without it?
[20:45] <asac> if upstream releases the tarball with debian/ you can strip it off, but have to indicate it in the version
[20:45] <asac> also you have to mention it in copyright
[20:45] <asac> and README.source
[20:45] <asac> and make the get-orig-source accordingly
[20:46] <bluekuja> ok, i gonna keep having it on orig like old revisions
[20:46] <bluekuja> it's not a problem
[20:57] <gnomefreak> asac: in preferred applications i have custom firefox-3.5 %s  it keeps opening a new window and i want it to open in tabs is there something i can add to it to make it do it? i have it set to open tabs in preffereneces but it doesnt
[20:59] <gnomefreak> i might know what is going on :(
[20:59] <gnomefreak> fixed it.
[21:00] <gnomefreak> ok im gone for a while this download is going to be a while
[21:08] <gnomefreak> micahg: do you know how to use rsync to update a file from a site?
[21:08]  * gnomefreak cant find the rsync expert
[21:09] <gnomefreak> asac: did we find a place for the 3.5 hardy intrepid builds?
[21:10]  * gnomefreak can start on them tomorrow at the soonest. maybe we should add another PPA to the team
[21:13] <asac>     gnomefreak you need to configure "pen links in new tab" in the preferences dialog
[21:13] <asac> (in firefox)
[21:13] <gnomefreak> yeah i got it working i had 3.0 open and had links set to 3.5
[21:30] <gnomefreak> reed left again :(
[21:34] <micahg> asac: maybe we should make a note the FF3.5 on Jaunty requires FF3.0
[21:42] <gnomefreak> it doesnt require it it shouldnt at least
[21:42] <gnomefreak> FF depends on xulrunner not other versions of FF
[21:42] <micahg> well
[21:43] <micahg> it will install by default
[21:43] <micahg> due to the ubufox recommendation
[21:43] <micahg> and ubufox requires ff3.0
[21:43] <micahg> it won't be a problem on karmic with ubufox fixed
[21:43] <micahg> but it will on jaunty
[21:43] <gnomefreak> yes 3.0 is installed by default and can be removed IIRC without removing half the system since we started depending on xulrunner
[21:43] <micahg> yes
[21:44] <micahg> but we're getting a flurry of bugs because of the ff3.5 connection with ubufox
[21:44] <micahg> that doesn't even work
[21:44] <gnomefreak> micahg: that is a fix in ubufox but as i recall ubufox was moved to suggestions
[21:44] <gnomefreak> thats for the info now i need to add ubufox to my xulrunner and firefox builds
[21:45] <micahg> gnomefreak: not in jaunty
[21:45] <gnomefreak> in hardy
[21:45] <gnomefreak> since im building for hardy/intrepid i will half to add ubufox since hardys doesnt support anything > than 3.0
[21:45] <micahg> now there's two problems with the recommendation
[21:46] <micahg> 1.  KDE users go nuts because ubufox drags gnome libs
[21:46] <gnomefreak> firefox alone brings in gnome libs
[21:46] <micahg> 2. ff3.5 will install ff3.0 on jaunty because of ubufox
[21:46] <micahg> gnomefreak: ff brings gtk
[21:46] <gnomefreak> micahg: nothing we can do about that we tried QT support and failed. IIRC we used upstreams patches
[21:46] <micahg> ubufox brings in more gnome stuff
[21:47] <micahg> gnomefreak: I'm not talking about that
[21:47] <micahg> it's about making it so apt-get install firefox-3.5 doesn't drag in ubufox
[21:47] <micahg> by default
[21:47] <gnomefreak> micahg: making QT support for mozilla will leave kde standard without gnome libs
[21:47] <micahg> that will solve most of these bugs
[21:47] <micahg> yes
[21:47] <gnomefreak> it will and i thought it was removed from depends
[21:48] <micahg> but that's not the most pressing issue
[21:48]  * BUGabundo the beared guy, say moooo o/
[21:48] <gnomefreak> Recommends: ubufox
[21:48] <micahg> we had 2 people complain about gtk but about 10 complain about ubufox
[21:48] <micahg> yes
[21:48] <micahg> recommends are brought in by default
[21:48] <micahg> AFAIK
[21:48] <gnomefreak> i cant remember if apt installs recommends or suggestions by default
[21:48] <micahg> recommends
[21:48] <micahg> suggestions are offered
[21:49] <micahg> but not installed
[21:49] <gnomefreak> that is it. ok asac can we demote ubufox to suggestions?
[21:49] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: we need to talk
[21:49] <BUGabundo> shoot my friend
[21:49] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: your rsync wiki is hard to follow can you make a rsync for dummies?
[21:50] <BUGabundo> LOLOLOL
[21:50] <BUGabundo> the new one? or the old one?
[21:50] <gnomefreak> i dont knwo one of them i only saw one with your name in title
[21:51] <gnomefreak> none of the ones i saw on wiki were helpful at all for me. i want simple examples thats all
[21:51] <BUGabundo> ok
[21:51] <BUGabundo> let me get it and simplify it
[21:52] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: thanks. i only need examples for downloading and updating file
[21:55] <BUGabundo> gnomefreak: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BUGabundo/ISORsync
[21:55] <BUGabundo> here are TWO scripts
[21:55] <BUGabundo> the old one at the bottom, consisting on several files, one per image
[21:55] <BUGabundo> and a new one from cwillu at the top
[21:55] <BUGabundo> basicly any of them rsycns an iso
[21:56] <BUGabundo> they do both the same thing, one is one image per file (hard to maintain)
[21:56] <BUGabundo> the other a single file to get *all* images
[21:56] <gnomefreak> looking but trying to figure out why scripts are needed :)
[21:56] <BUGabundo> that gets me around 14GiBs of data
[21:56] <BUGabundo> easy
[21:56] <BUGabundo> will tell you in ONE line
[21:56] <BUGabundo> tell ME what image you want gnomefreak!
[21:57] <gnomefreak> daily ISO text based anad live
[21:57] <gnomefreak> i can give links if you want
[21:57] <BUGabundo> no need
[21:57] <BUGabundo> 32 bits, 64bits? cd? dvd ?
[21:58] <BUGabundo> gnomefreak: its *just* this: rsync -zvvhhP --stats rsync://cdimage.ubuntu.com/PATHTOIMAGE
[21:58] <gnomefreak> 32 cd
[21:58] <BUGabundo> as easy as that!
[21:58] <BUGabundo>  rsync -vvhhP --stats  rsync://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/daily-live/current/karmic-desktop-i386.iso
[21:58] <BUGabundo>  rsync -vvhP --stats  rsync://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/daily-live/current/karmic-desktop-i386.iso
[21:58] <BUGabundo> for the 32 bits livecd
[21:59] <BUGabundo> just change the URL as need!
[21:59] <gnomefreak> thanks. shoudl it be -vvhhP or vvhP
[21:59] <BUGabundo> *remember* that you need the ../cdimage/.. in there!
[21:59] <BUGabundo> web links don't work
[21:59] <BUGabundo> gnomefreak: one H
[21:59] <BUGabundo> its a type
[21:59] <BUGabundo> you can't make it *more* human readable
[21:59] <BUGabundo> LOL
[21:59] <gnomefreak> ok thanks
[21:59] <BUGabundo> gnomefreak: *remember* that you need the ../cdimage/.. in there!
[22:00] <gnomefreak> ok makes sence
[22:00] <gnomefreak> sense
[22:00] <BUGabundo> gnomefreak: then *just* to be sure, I md5 the iso
[22:00] <BUGabundo> wget -O - http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/MD5SUMS  | grep desktop-i386
[22:01] <BUGabundo> md5sum karmic-desktop-i386.iso
[22:01] <BUGabundo> or the name of any image
[22:01] <gnomefreak> yeah i do that all the time :)
[22:02] <BUGabundo> ok
[22:02] <BUGabundo> so _now_ that you get how this works
[22:02] <BUGabundo> take another look at the top script https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BUGabundo/ISORsync
[22:02] <BUGabundo> gnomefreak: and tell ME what you DON'T understand
[22:03] <gnomefreak> ok will let know in a few
[22:04] <BUGabundo> ok John
[22:04] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: in upper script you should add comments at top on how to use it :) i would say its bash
[22:05] <BUGabundo> LOLOL
[22:05] <BUGabundo> why?
[22:05] <BUGabundo> that script is not for main consuption
[22:06] <BUGabundo> and NO ONE really gets 14GiBs of images daily do they?
[22:06] <gnomefreak> no i know but what command do you use to run it
[22:06] <gnomefreak> bash scriptname iso link?
[22:06] <gnomefreak> or just run the upper commands?
[22:07] <BUGabundo> ./scriptname.sh ?
[22:07] <BUGabundo> gnomefreak: don't lauthg : Qy5O9fAC.asc.part
[22:08] <BUGabundo> LOLOL
[22:08] <BUGabundo> I saved it from Paste.u.c
[22:08] <BUGabundo> it had that name, I kept it
[22:08] <BUGabundo> lolo
[22:08] <BUGabundo> tooooo lazy to change it
[22:08] <gnomefreak> thats it? and it will knwo from patch what ISO i have i guess
[22:09] <gnomefreak> i dont see that part
[22:09] <BUGabundo> IF you have it in the same path
[22:09] <BUGabundo> gnomefreak: what part?
[22:09] <gnomefreak> Qy5O9fAC.asc.part
[22:09] <BUGabundo> eheh
[22:10] <BUGabundo> that the name I have for the bash script :)
[22:10] <gnomefreak> oh its not on the wiki like that also missing the !bin/bash
[22:10] <gnomefreak> shewbang is the name for that IIRC
[22:12] <gnomefreak> shebang even
[22:13] <BUGabundo> is it?
[22:13] <BUGabundo> LOLOL
[22:13] <BUGabundo> didn't even notice
[22:13] <gnomefreak> do_download()
[22:13] <gnomefreak> { # $1 = base url, not including http://:  cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/daily-live/current
[22:13]  * BUGabundo checks local file
[22:14] <gnomefreak> that is the first lijnes
[22:14] <BUGabundo> #!/bin/bash
[22:14] <BUGabundo> do_download()
[22:14] <BUGabundo> {
[22:14] <gnomefreak> lines
[22:14] <BUGabundo> lolol
[22:14] <BUGabundo> I have it here
[22:15] <gnomefreak> :) should have it on wiki too ;)
[22:16] <BUGabundo> gnomefreak: it's a wiki... feel free to _fix_ it
[22:16] <BUGabundo> eheh
[22:16] <BUGabundo> anyone _who_ needs to actually run that, should be able to notice that too
[22:17] <BUGabundo> gnomefreak: posting to twitter instead identica??
[22:17] <gnomefreak> rigt now i have 15 windows open if i forget remind me
[22:17] <BUGabundo> that's a BIG NO NO in my book :(
[22:17] <gnomefreak> shit no i am woirking on setting it back up
[22:17] <BUGabundo> only 15? LOL
[22:17] <gnomefreak> it will be fixed when i start clearing windows
[22:18] <BUGabundo> ok ok
[22:19]  * cwillu has slept 20 hours in the last week and a half
[22:20] <BUGabundo> wow cwillu! finally caught up
[22:20] <BUGabundo> * cwillu *
[22:20]  * cwillu collapses into a shuddering pile of flesh on the floor
[22:21] <BUGabundo> ahahah
[22:21] <BUGabundo> such a lier!
[22:21]  * cwillu ☠ openembedded
[22:23] <gnomefreak> ok going for a smoke. asac: did you get a chance to review and push SM 1.1.17 ill be back in a few
[22:24] <BUGabundo> gnomefreak: you should *really* stop smoking! its bad for you
[22:24] <gnomefreak> but its fun for me too ;)
[22:24] <cwillu> ⟳
[22:25] <micahg> cwillu: how do you get those funny characters?
[22:25] <cwillu> character map
[22:25] <micahg> ah
[22:26] <BUGabundo> eheh
[22:27] <cwillu> BUGabundo, behold, the bane of my existence :)
[22:27] <cwillu> BUGabundo, http://imgur.com/yjvIP&kBddd&ZhYaP&zqjuu
[22:28] <cwillu> (it's actually not so bad, I'm just not a hardware guy, and this involves converting 5v logic down to 1.8v logic and similar silly talk
[22:29] <BUGabundo> eheh
[22:29] <BUGabundo> sooo what's _that_ ?
[22:29]  * cwillu points out the 3 other images on that link, in the sidebar
[22:30] <micahg> We're getting blog blasted now...http://blog.smartcube.co.za/2009/07/08/what-shiretoko-isnt-firefox/
[22:30] <gnomefreak> ok getting ready to get that smoke. BUGabundo it seems i was posting to both. now i go smoke than script time
[22:31] <fta> asac, queue's not improving.. 95/379/66
[22:36] <gnomefreak> ok BUGabundo the commands you gave me above (rsync) are for downloading the ISO and the script is to update it right?
[22:39] <gnomefreak> ok i need to go im feeling dizzy from pain killers
[22:40] <BUGabundo> gnomefreak: err well no
[22:41] <BUGabundo> rsync will download if no image is found
[22:41] <BUGabundo> and will just get what's diff if info is lacking!
[22:41] <BUGabundo> script and command are the *same thing gnomefreak
[22:49] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: thanks i will test this later tonight depending on how i feel or tomorrow and let you know of any issues
[22:50] <BUGabundo> ok John! hope you get better
[22:55] <fta> Mook_sb, which part(s) of gstreamer should i build for sb on hardy? http://publicsvn.songbirdnest.com/vendor/trunk/ all 4??
[22:55] <fta> Mook_sb, or better, could the features requiring a new gst be made optional?
[22:55] <Mook_sb> umm, we build all 5; I don't know which bits on hardy are new enough
[22:55] <Mook_sb> and really, I have no idea on this, you want MikeS
[22:56] <Mook_sb> (as I understand it, it's mostly about bug fixes and not new things, other than possibly gstmozillasrc + the windows bits)
[22:58] <fta> hm
[22:58] <fta> maybe i should just forget about hardy
[22:58] <Mook_sb> I could be horribly, horribly wrong, though!
[22:59] <fta> i don't know how many people are using the dailies anyway..
[23:00] <Mook_sb> is it back to building, btw?
[23:01] <fta> today's build failed, i fixed it
[23:01] <BUGabundo> damn it
[23:01] <fta> but for hardy, it's broken since that gst patch landed
[23:01] <BUGabundo> the micahg idea to pin Firefox 3.5 down doesn't work!
[23:01] <BUGabundo> I get PPA updates on it :(
[23:02] <fta> BUGabundo, ?
[23:02] <fta> it=?
[23:02] <fta> oh
[23:02] <micahg> hmmm
[23:02] <fta> BUGabundo, my solution is all fine
[23:02] <micahg> BUGabundo: try pinning the ppa lower
[23:02] <BUGabundo> paste bin yours pleaseeeeeeeee
[23:03] <micahg> it'll update stuff you install from the ppa, but not stuff you install from the main repos
[23:03] <micahg> BUGabundo: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/213220/
[23:04] <fta> http://paste.ubuntu.com/213224/
[23:04] <BUGabundo> LOLOOL
[23:04] <BUGabundo> those pastes are almost followed
[23:05] <fta> but you need to downgrade 1st
[23:05] <fta> if you don't, my solution won't work either
[23:06] <fta> i never succeeded at teaching apt/pref to downgrade automatically :P
[23:08] <gnomefreak> once we find a PPA to use i will be building 3.5 for hardy so its not a daily build since everyone is comming from everywhere about 3.5 for hardy
[23:09] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: is the following correct added into script
[23:09] <gnomefreak> do_download cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/daily/current                       karmic alternate-i386.iso
[23:09] <BUGabundo> just a very stupid question: if debian repos can have several packages versions, and apt works, *why* can't we do the same on PPAs ?
[23:09] <gnomefreak> some reason it grabs the md5 but fails to find that one
[23:10] <BUGabundo> gnomefreak: try direct link !
[23:10] <BUGabundo> I can't right now, my BW is maxed out, I'm on 3G
[23:10] <BUGabundo> getting updates at an wooping speed of 141KiB/s
[23:11] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: this is output when running script http://pastebin.mozilla.org/661613
[23:11] <gnomefreak> rsync: link_stat "/daily/current/karmic" (in cdimage) failed: No such file or directory (2) bothers me
[23:11] <BUGabundo> ehhe
[23:11] <gnomefreak> maybe no updates for it?
[23:11] <BUGabundo> there's not such thung
[23:12] <BUGabundo> you have the wrong link
[23:12] <gnomefreak> there has to be. it found the md5 for it
[23:13] <BUGabundo> gnomefreak: diff wgets :)
[23:13] <gnomefreak> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/karmic-alternate-i386.iso  is the link for it
[23:13] <BUGabundo> one is for md5 the other to iso
[23:13] <BUGabundo> errr
[23:13] <BUGabundo> I told you twice to not forget the /cdimage/ in the PATH
[23:14] <gnomefreak> do_download cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/daily/current                       karmic alternate-i386.iso  is in the script
[23:14] <gnomefreak> i didnt forget it
[23:14] <BUGabundo> rsync://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/daily/current/karmic-alternate-i386.iso
[23:14] <gnomefreak> the HTTP above is the link to the ISO so i know it is there
[23:15] <BUGabundo> ok
[23:15] <gnomefreak> ok here is a line that was already in script
[23:15] <gnomefreak> #do_download cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/daily-live current                       karmic-desktop-amd64.iso
[23:15] <BUGabundo> and did you try direct rsync from cli?
[23:16] <gnomefreak> there is no / after current and karmic... is 22 spaces out from it
[23:17] <BUGabundo> rsync -vvhP --stats rsync://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/daily-live/current/karmic-alternate-i386.iso
[23:17] <gnomefreak> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/661615
[23:17] <gnomefreak> oh wait daliy-live cant be with alternate iso
[23:18] <gnomefreak> dalit live is the desktop installer?
[23:18] <gnomefreak> isnt it
[23:18] <gnomefreak> it is daliy/current
[23:19] <BUGabundo> right
[23:19] <BUGabundo> rsync -vvhP --stats rsync://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/daily/current/karmic-alternate-i386.iso
[23:19] <BUGabundo> duh
[23:22] <gnomefreak> hold on a sec
[23:24] <gnomefreak> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/661617 is the first part of script
[23:24] <gnomefreak> its the same as the lines that were there only without -live
[23:25] <asac> argh
[23:25] <asac> this XError annoys me really
[23:25] <asac> he error was 'BadWindow (invalid Window parameter)'. (Details: serial 945 error_code 3 request_code 20 minor_code 0)
[23:25] <asac> micahg: did we get more bugs on that ?
[23:25] <asac> do you know?
[23:26] <micahg> I don't remember seeing more bugs on that one
[23:26] <micahg> jsut comments
[23:26]  * micahg will look
[23:26] <BUGabundo> gnomefreak: jaunty ?
[23:26] <gnomefreak> karmic
[23:26] <gnomefreak> im on jaunty atm
[23:27] <asac> micahg: yeah. i searched already ... no match for BadWindow in ffox 3.5
[23:27] <BUGabundo> gnomefreak: but that pastebin say jaunty
[23:27] <asac> but that might just be the search feature ;)
[23:27] <micahg> I haven't seen any
[23:27] <gnomefreak> # $1 = base url, not including http://:  cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/daily-live/current # $2 = image name: jaunty-desktop-amd64.iso
[23:27] <asac> its super annoying ... i cannot even start ffox 3.5 (nor 3.6)
[23:27] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: you mean that?
[23:27] <micahg> but I do have a lot of bugs for Ff3.5 recommends ubufox
[23:27] <asac> need to use --sync
[23:27] <BUGabundo> gnomefreak: yep
[23:28] <BUGabundo> asac: ahh thtat
[23:28] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: that is a comment so it shouldnt affect it right?
[23:28] <BUGabundo> I get soooo many of those
[23:28] <BUGabundo> and on 3.6 too
[23:28] <micahg> asac: did you see that we've been blog blasted
[23:28] <BUGabundo> asac: told fta about it, he didn't care
[23:28] <BUGabundo> gnomefreak: right
[23:28] <asac> micahg: did you make a  master bug ?
[23:28] <asac> micahg: by whom?
[23:28] <micahg> asac: http://blog.smartcube.co.za/2009/07/08/what-shiretoko-isnt-firefox/
[23:29] <micahg> asac: I've been duping them
[23:29] <micahg> I'll mark it master
[23:29] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: should i change that to the iso im grabbing?
[23:29] <gnomefreak> a # shouldnt matter what it says after it though
[23:30] <fta> BUGabundo: what didn't I care about?
[23:30] <micahg> done
[23:30] <BUGabundo> gnomefreak: no need
[23:30] <BUGabundo> fta: all those startup crashs on FF that require --sync to force open it
[23:31] <fta> hm, i don't remember any of those
[23:31] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: than it is right and should work however it doesnt just grabs the md5sum for it. only thing i can think of is that its  anew download so no updates have been uploaded to server
[23:31] <fta> but i'm easily distracted
[23:31] <micahg> asac: the new problem with recommending ubufox is that it pulls ff3.0 in on jaunty
[23:31] <gnomefreak> asac: demoting ubufox to suggestions should fix the 3.0 drag
[23:32] <BUGabundo> gnomefreak: you should at least get stats on ZERO changes
[23:32] <asac> yeah. that was asked for in the past
[23:32] <asac> maybe we can do that
[23:32] <micahg> asac: bug 365965
[23:32] <asac>  but i wont rush out an update
[23:33] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: here is output of script http://pastebin.mozilla.org/661613
[23:33] <asac> and users can use apt-get install --no-recommends-install
[23:33] <asac> or something
[23:33] <asac> micahg: is that the oldest bug?
[23:33] <BUGabundo> gnomefreak:  total size is 0   speedup is 0.00 rsync error: some files/attrs were not  transferred (see previous errors) (code 23) at main.c(1524) [receiver=3.0.5]
[23:33] <BUGabundo> never seen that error before
[23:33] <micahg> yeah, from Apr 09
[23:33] <asac> micahg: yeah
[23:33] <asac> thats the one
[23:33] <BUGabundo> waut.... are you sure your servers accepts rsync?
[23:33] <micahg> asac: I'll add your thing as a workaround
[23:33] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: me neither
[23:33] <asac> hmm
[23:34] <asac> not so sure anymore
[23:34] <BUGabundo> gnomefreak: is it cdimage ?
[23:34] <asac>  i thoguth there was an older bug ... but well ;)
[23:34] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: yes
[23:34] <asac> micahg: look up the exact option in manpage to be sure
[23:34] <BUGabundo> gnomefreak: try cli version
[23:34] <micahg> just tried it to be sure and it failed :)
[23:34] <micahg> I'll do that
[23:34] <BUGabundo> gnomefreak:  rsync -vvhP --stats rsync://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/daily/current/karmic-alternate-i386.iso
[23:34] <asac> micahg: its --no-install-recommends
[23:34] <micahg> :)
[23:36] <micahg> tested and works :)
[23:39] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: you mean http://pastebin.mozilla.org/661615
[23:40] <BUGabundo> gnomefreak: karmic alternate-i386.iso
[23:40] <BUGabundo> why a BLANK space there????
[23:40] <gnomefreak> oops
[23:40] <BUGabundo> It should be a .
[23:40] <BUGabundo> -
[23:40] <BUGabundo> D'OH
[23:41] <gnomefreak> ill try it but the script should still work
[23:41] <gnomefreak> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/661619 BUGabundo
[23:42] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: i have to go if you figure it out please email me so i can work on it tomorrow im really not feeling good
[23:43] <BUGabundo> gnomefreak: WIN
[23:43] <BUGabundo> its working now
[23:43] <gnomefreak> works like that just not in script
[23:43] <BUGabundo> you already have the ALL image
[23:43] <BUGabundo> did you sed daily-live/daily?
[23:43] <gnomefreak> right looks like command worked
[23:44] <gnomefreak> no sed in script
[23:44] <gnomefreak> ok im gone
[23:45] <micahg> asac: what to do...people don't get it bug 396928
[23:49] <micahg> I thought your last blog post was crystal clear
[23:51] <asac> micahg: its ok
[23:51] <asac> micahg: there will always be folks complaining
[23:51] <micahg> should I respond?
[23:51] <asac> no
[23:51] <asac> seems he actually accepted it
[23:52] <asac> keep it open, so we can merge in new duplicates
[23:52] <asac> if he opens a new bug about user agent, we can answer and explain
[23:52] <asac> then he probably whines a bit, but thats how it is ;)
[23:52] <micahg> I already marked invalid
[23:52] <asac> micahg: you can mark it wont fix
[23:53] <asac> that expresses the state better
[23:53] <micahg> ah
[23:53] <asac> and still honours the fact that the reporter is at least a bit right
[23:53] <asac> which usually calms them down a bit
[23:53] <micahg> true
[23:53] <asac> some users are still ranting around ... for those, its even ok to keep the bugs at confirmed
[23:53] <asac> ;)
[23:53] <micahg> ok
[23:53] <asac> just to keep them silent
[23:53] <micahg> well
[23:53] <micahg> if it gets bad, I'll do that
[23:53] <asac> well
[23:53] <micahg> do I need to comment on the change to won't fix
[23:53] <asac> dont do that on your own
[23:54] <asac> usually those folks bitch around and set the state to confirmed on their own
[23:54] <asac> dont change it back, leave it that way
[23:54] <asac> they will otherwise just cost bandwith ;)
[23:54] <micahg> ok
[23:54] <micahg> what about the won't fix for this bug, should I comment or just change the status?
[23:55] <asac> micahg: you can leave a comment like "wontfix seems to be a better fit for this bug state, changing ..."
[23:55] <asac> or just say nothing
[23:55] <asac> micahg: or keep it at invalid
[23:55] <asac> i mean if he doesnt complain it doesnt matter ;)
[23:56] <asac> but this is typically a a wont fix bug
[23:57] <micahg> ah, I think I just mentally grouped it with that HTML5 bug and marked it invalid
[23:57] <micahg> I'll leave it I guess
[23:57] <asac> yeah
[23:57] <asac> yeah the other is invalid
[23:57] <asac> well, you could also say wont fix
[23:57] <asac> if he files in a "request change to firefox" way
[23:58] <asac> if he says its a problem on our side its invalid though ;)