[00:00] <evonise`emp> its installing now btw... lets pray :)
[00:00] <evonise`emp> and how about a dirty cd/dvd player?
[00:01] <evonise`emp> it also says: calculating files to skip :s
[00:01] <PsynoKhi0> that's normal
[00:01] <evonise`emp> 25% :ooo
[00:01] <evonise`emp> go on :D!
[00:02] <evonise`emp> DAMN
[00:02] <evonise`emp> 25% :/
[00:02] <evonise`emp> anyone else has an idea :D??
[00:03] <onewart> have you tried the alternative (text-based) install disc?
[00:03] <evonise`emp> onewart yes
[00:03] <onewart> what is your processor type?
[00:03] <evonise`emp> not exactly the same problem, but it freezed
[00:04] <evonise`emp> AMD Athlon XP 2000+ (1666 MHz)
[00:04] <onewart> are you able to book the "live" version?
[00:04] <onewart> s/book/boot/
[00:04] <evonise`emp> onewart book?
[00:04] <onewart> sorry, boot
[00:04] <evonise`emp> i can enter the live version
[00:04] <onewart> like to try it out?
[00:05] <evonise`emp> yes sure
[00:05] <evonise`emp> i can start he live version if thats what u mean
[00:05] <evonise`emp> ill do it
[00:05] <onewart> you don't have to.  i was just wondering..
[00:05] <evonise`emp> oh ok
[00:05] <evonise`emp> yes then i can heh..
[00:05] <onewart> you formatted the drive to? ext3?
[00:06] <evonise`emp> yes, as standard
[00:06] <evonise`emp> "use the whole disk"
[00:06] <evonise`emp> it said something about ext3 yes
[00:06] <onewart> it's hanging on copying files, huH?
[00:06] <evonise`emp> btw i made this bug report yesterday: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/396244
[00:06] <evonise`emp> ye mostly
[00:06] <SiDi> how much RAM ?
[00:06] <evonise`emp> 512 mb
[00:07] <SiDi> are you sure the CD is working ok ?
[00:07] <SiDi> and the drive too ?
[00:07] <evonise`emp> the cd is working fine i think, i chceked almost everything
[00:07] <evonise`emp> the drive not..
[00:07] <evonise`emp> duno how to check
[00:08] <onewart> well you'd think the drive is working since the live desktop loaded...
[00:08] <evonise`emp> this bug report is (i think) my problem: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/253321
[00:08] <onewart> i notice that you tested memory and that passed
[00:08] <evonise`emp> yes true, the live stuf fworks good
[00:08] <evonise`emp> well it tested memory for about 1,5 hrs
[00:08] <evonise`emp> was still going on and i wanted to go to bed :p, no errors during that time
[00:09] <onewart> 3 passes is enough
[00:09] <evonise`emp> dunno how long that takes
[00:09] <onewart> so you're probably fine
[00:09] <evonise`emp> well.. define fine :p
[00:09] <evonise`emp> cus its still not working
[00:09] <onewart> i mean.. the memory is probably fine if it passed 3 cycles
[00:09] <evonise`emp> hah ok
[00:10] <evonise`emp> im in the live boot now, can i check anything?
[00:10] <onewart> have you had problems with the hard drive in the past?
[00:10] <SiDi> see the comment about cd drive
[00:10] <evonise`emp> lol there is sound now
[00:10] <evonise`emp> SiDi, i did that workaround
[00:10] <SiDi> maybe your drive is having problems when asked to read too much
[00:10] <evonise`emp> SiDi at least i tried
[00:10] <SiDi> evonise`emp: would you mind trying to install another distro ?
[00:11] <SiDi> a non debian based
[00:11] <evonise`emp> SiDi u mean this comment: Aleksey1977 wrote on 2008-12-31
[00:11] <SiDi> yeh
[00:11] <evonise`emp> SiDi, as long as it can do internet/email..
[00:11] <SiDi> evonise`emp: i mean for testing the drive ;)
[00:11] <evonise`emp> and as long as its faster than xp -.-
[00:11] <evonise`emp> ah yes sure
[00:11] <evonise`emp> haha
[00:11] <evonise`emp> cant i check anything now? im in the live cd boot
[00:12] <evonise`emp> isntall logs or something? (somebody told me that)
[00:12] <SiDi> usually when it hangs at the beginning it means you're out of ram, but with 512 it shouldnt happen
[00:12] <evonise`emp> ok,,
[00:12] <SiDi> maybe you could launch the install in command line
[00:12] <SiDi> its "ubiquity" afaik
[00:12] <onewart> you could try installing from a usb drive
[00:12] <onewart> assuming you have one
[00:13] <SiDi> onewart: thats cheating ! :P
[00:13] <onewart> hah
[00:13] <SiDi> (netinstall from a minimal ISO too, they weight 9MB, shouldnt be too stressing for your drive / ram)
[00:13] <evonise`emp> onewart i watned to do that :p
[00:13] <evonise`emp> ye SiDi, i remember that from fedora, but is taht possible with ubuntu?
[00:13] <SiDi> yeh
[00:14] <evonise`emp> onewart, i wanted to do that with usb, i made the usb-stick, then it turned out my pc couldnt boot from a usb stick -.-
[00:14] <evonise`emp> SiDi how :D
[00:14] <SiDi> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[00:14] <evonise`emp> ok ocol
[00:15] <evonise`emp> im burning it
[00:15] <SiDi> okey
[00:15] <onewart> you'll want to choose the package su
[00:15] <SiDi> i think im going to go sleep though
[00:15] <onewart> ugh
[00:15] <SiDi> its over 1 am :(
[00:16] <evonise`emp> true SiDi :)
[00:16] <SiDi> i wake up in 6 hours
[00:16] <evonise`emp> thanks anyway mate
[00:16] <SiDi> no problem
[00:16] <evonise`emp> hah i wont :D im a bad sleeper
[00:16] <SiDi> see you and good luck
[00:16] <evonise`emp> SiDi thanks mate, good night
[00:18] <Name141> PsynoKhi0: I have Windows
[00:18] <onewart> Windows sucks!
[00:18] <onewart> but that's why you're here, right?! ;)
[00:18] <Name141> onewart: make *buntu work right with my hardware then
[00:19] <PsynoKhi0> onewart: it's good when you want to use an exe file to install ubuntu on a USB drive :)
[00:19] <psuboy> Hi...I am a linux nubie...but it is really going well
[00:19] <psuboy> I love Xubuntu...
[00:19] <Name141> PsynoKhi0: isn't this the same as going in the live disk and telling it to make it to a flash drive?
[00:20] <psuboy> I am having 2 issues i wanted to know if anyone had a solution
[00:20] <evonise`emp> PsynoKhi0 and onewart, im gonna try that mini.iso now :)
[00:20] <onewart> PsynoKhi0: well actually, you could use the package usb-creator and create the bootable usb drive ;P
[00:20] <onewart> from linux, of course
[00:20] <Name141> onewart: I'm about ready to load up hardy.  Or say "oh well" to Linux
[00:20] <psuboy> the first is that playing mp3 files crashes my machine
[00:20] <PsynoKhi0> onewart: from a live cd?
[00:21] <evonise`emp> onewart PsynoKhi0, shall i do command line install?
[00:21] <psuboy> using listen music player
[00:21] <onewart> yeah "cli"
[00:21] <evonise`emp> onewart, cli, is that easy?
[00:21] <psuboy> I have thought of converting to ogg format..
[00:22] <onewart> i've actually never used it ;p
[00:22] <PsynoKhi0> evonise`emp: I don't know really, but at least you will bypass your cd-rom drive for now
[00:22] <onewart> psuboy: try "sudo aptitude install quod-libet"
[00:22] <evonise`emp> PsynoKhi0 ok :)
[00:22] <onewart> you may like that player more, and it might work!
[00:22] <psuboy> ok
[00:22] <onewart> errr
[00:22] <onewart> it's "sudo aptitude install quodlibet"
[00:22] <psuboy> quod-libet is a converter or mp3 player
[00:22] <onewart> audio manager and player
[00:23] <onewart> i prefer it over listen
[00:23] <evonise`emp> brb..
[00:23] <psuboy> cool...I was actually pretty impressed with listen when I popped in a cd but the mp3 was disasterous
[00:23] <PsynoKhi0> Name141: I think the pendrive install skips grub and is more geared towards usb flash, as opposed to installing from the live cd
[00:24] <psuboy> I am amazed at how easy I got my lamp server up
[00:24] <Name141> PsynoKhi0: eh?
[00:24] <PsynoKhi0> that would treat you flash as a standard drive
[00:24] <onewart> psuboy: do you have your mp3s organized in folders?
[00:24] <onewart> psuboy: or are they really messy?
[00:24] <psuboy> no...all in one...would it be better to organize...i do not have that may
[00:24] <psuboy> I would say messy
[00:25] <psuboy> I pulled them off a crashed windows hard drive to a thumb drive and then just kind of dumped them in the music folder
[00:25] <onewart> psuboy: well quodlibet does have a library, but i don't like "loading" things into a library, so i use View -> File System
[00:27] <onewart> psuboy: regardless, i'd more interested to see whether quodlibet crashes when you attempt to play an mp3
[00:27] <psuboy> Ok...I will load it and see...
[00:27] <PsynoKhi0> Name141: the standard install from the live cd has the "stationary, plater harddrive" in mind, where as pendrive linux has instructions specifically for removable USB storage
[00:28] <psuboy> then try organizing...will report back...
[00:28] <onewart> psuboy: well organizing is entirely up to you and your preferences
[00:28] <PsynoKhi0> then again it might not be a issue for you, just keep that in mind
[00:28] <psuboy> ok...
[00:28] <onewart> psuboy: just select View -> File System, then find and play an mp3
[00:28] <Name141> PsynoKhi0: So I will have the ability to install directly to the flash drive in a real install that will accept updates, etc?
[00:29] <psuboy> yea...I just play one mp3 ...it plays fine but I can not do anything else...takes up all my memory  and then i can not quit...need to shut down machine..not to elegantly I might add
[00:30] <PsynoKhi0> Name141: with the pendrive howto? yes, that the purpose of the "persistent" install
[00:30] <psuboy> I only have 1/4 Gig of memory...but I cant believe that is the issue...
[00:30] <onewart> psuboy: you said you were able to play a cd just fine, but not an mp3?
[00:30] <psuboy> ritght...
[00:30] <Name141> PsynoKhi0: I don't understand what "persistent" means even.
[00:31] <PsynoKhi0> Name141: a LiveCD isn't persistent
[00:31] <Name141> OK..
[00:31] <PsynoKhi0> you lose your settings and the modifications you've done when you reboot
[00:31] <Name141> So persistent means "changeable"
[00:31] <Name141> Yes.
[00:32] <onewart> psuboy: try this... "sudo aptitude install xubuntu-restricted-extras"
[00:32] <PsynoKhi0> persistent means it saves settings and vomes back in the state you left it
[00:32] <PsynoKhi0> vomes -> comes
[00:32] <psuboy> ok...I am kind of new...that is a whole package?
[00:33] <PsynoKhi0> Name141: can you boot form your USB drive?
[00:33] <PsynoKhi0> from*
[00:33] <Name141> PsynoKhi0: Can I use the disk rather than the ISO?
[00:33] <Name141> PsynoKhi0: I don't have the ISO anymore.  Yes I can boot from the Flash Drive
[00:33] <onewart> that's a series of packages relating to  audio/video codecs
[00:34] <PsynoKhi0> Name141: there is still something bothering my with having it done from windows though
[00:34] <PsynoKhi0> let me check
[00:34] <Name141> PsynoKhi0: It looks like I can only use the ISO /
[00:34] <Name141> ?
[00:34] <psuboy> OK...I suspected the codec I loaded may be the issue...I will try that...thanks for your ideas and help Onewart!  :-)
[00:36] <onewart> psuboy: you're welcome!
[00:38] <PsynoKhi0> Name141: ok so... no ISO... no internet connection?
[00:39] <Name141> PsynoKhi0: Capped internet.
[00:40] <evonise`emp> PsynoKhi0 hi!
[00:40] <evonise`emp> PsynoKhi0, i did the text based install
[00:41] <evonise`emp> PsynoKhi0 onewart, but now when i boot it, it doesnt show a gui
[00:41] <evonise`emp> only text based linux
[00:41] <onewart> ok
[00:41] <onewart> sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[00:41] <PsynoKhi0> :)
[00:41] <evonise`emp> :d
[00:41] <evonise`emp> isnt that installed standard?
[00:41] <onewart> you were using a ubuntu mini iso
[00:41] <PsynoKhi0> Name141: tough cookie...
[00:41] <evonise`emp> ye true :o
[00:41] <onewart> which does not contain anything...really
[00:42] <evonise`emp> it also asks me to log in.. i can turn that off right
[00:42] <evonise`emp> xubuntu desktop?
[00:42] <evonise`emp> not ubuntu?
[00:43] <PsynoKhi0> ubuntu-desktop will get you the standard gnome install
[00:43] <evonise`emp> k illtry
[00:43] <onewart> we're in an xubuntu channel.....
[00:43] <PsynoKhi0> xubuntu-desktop will be
[00:43] <PsynoKhi0> WJUAIJDFEFef
[00:43] <PsynoKhi0> WAIT
[00:43] <evonise`emp> :O
[00:43] <onewart> xubuntu uses XFCE4, which owns
[00:43] <evonise`emp> did that..
[00:43] <evonise`emp> lol
[00:43] <PsynoKhi0> ...
[00:43] <evonise`emp> its not wroking
[00:44] <evonise`emp> btw, its dutch now
[00:44] <evonise`emp> kon pakket ubuntu niet vinden
[00:44] <evonise`emp> couldnt find packet ubuntu
[00:44] <evonise`emp> -.- im stupid nvm
[00:44] <evonise`emp> so ubuntu or xubuntu :D?
[00:44] <PsynoKhi0> xubuntu
[00:44] <evonise`emp> either will work rihgt?
[00:44] <evonise`emp> why x- ?
[00:44] <evonise`emp> :p
[00:45] <onewart> because we're in an xubuntu channel!!!
[00:45] <PsynoKhi0> ubuntu is heavier on your specs
[00:45] <evonise`emp> i c
[00:45] <PsynoKhi0> and because yes, it's a xubuntu channel, what do you expect ppl to recommend?
[00:45] <evonise`emp> wth it will dl 1409 mb
[00:45] <evonise`emp> haha PsynoKhi0 :D!
[00:45] <PsynoKhi0> xubuntu is the lightest variant of the official ubuntu versions
[00:46] <evonise`emp> ok, but what is +- 1400 ??
[00:46] <evonise`emp> i mean the cd was 700 mb p
[00:46] <evonise`emp> ;o
[00:46] <PsynoKhi0> compressed
[00:46] <onewart> you used the mini.iso
[00:46] <onewart> which was like 9mb
[00:46] <evonise`emp> yes i know
[00:46] <onewart> you have to download the rest ;)
[00:46] <evonise`emp> i know that
[00:46] <evonise`emp> but the normal cd is 700 mb
[00:46] <evonise`emp> and what i download now is 1400
[00:46] <PsynoKhi0> COMPRESSED
[00:46] <PsynoKhi0> gee
[00:46] <evonise`emp> YE WHY :D
[00:47] <evonise`emp> i read that..
[00:47] <PsynoKhi0> it's 700 compressed, once installed it takes above 2 gig
[00:47] <PsynoKhi0> you d/l them uncompresses
[00:47] <PsynoKhi0> -s +d
[00:47] <evonise`emp> ye why doenst it download compressed, takes shroter time?
[00:48] <evonise`emp> thats the only thing im wondering about, i understood the rest..
[00:49] <PsynoKhi0> could be cause I'm an idiot thinking about something else
[00:50] <evonise`emp> maybe
[00:51] <evonise`emp> anyway, thanks for the support, didnt tell u that :)
[00:51] <PsynoKhi0> also in the xubuntu channel you shouldn't feel complied to agree with everything people say...
[00:51] <PsynoKhi0> :D
[00:51] <onewart> xfce4 > gnome
[00:52] <onewart> ;)
[00:52] <evonise`emp> ill remember that ;)
[00:52] <evonise`emp> lol and in ubuntu channel, they will say the other way?
[00:52] <onewart> perhaps...
[00:58] <evonise`emp> onewart, since i did sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop, and after alot of extracting, my laptop screen is black for about 5 mintes, although it is stil doing something
[00:59] <evonise`emp> that normal?
[00:59] <PsynoKhi0> press an arrow key
[00:59] <evonise`emp> oh lol
[01:00] <PsynoKhi0> screensaver :D
[01:00] <evonise`emp> i c now :)
[01:00] <evonise`emp> wtf :D
[01:00] <onewart> hehe
[01:11] <onewart> evonise`emp you have xubuntu up yet?
[01:16] <PsynoKhi0> Name141: still stuck?
[01:29] <evonise`emp> onewart, PsynoKhi0, it is working :D
[01:30] <evonise`emp> although half english half dutch, i dont understand
[01:31] <onewart> Applications -> System -> Language Support
[01:31] <onewart> fool around in there ;)
[01:31] <PsynoKhi0> evonise`emp: nice :)
[01:32] <evonise`emp> thanks guys!
[01:32] <PsynoKhi0> so your CD drive was the issue
[01:32] <evonise`emp> really apreciated
[01:32] <evonise`emp> ye i think so
[01:32] <onewart> evonise`emp: you're welcome.. stick with linux; it's great :)
[01:32] <evonise`emp> im going to bed guys
[01:32] <evonise`emp> onewart as long as it works :D
[01:33] <evonise`emp> ill try it out as much as possible
[01:33] <onewart> sweet!  take care! goodnight
[01:34] <evonise`emp> yes, sweet indeed ^^
[01:34] <evonise`emp> cya, you too
[01:34] <evonise`emp> bye
[01:35] <evonise`emp> u2 PsynoKhi0 ;)
[01:36] <PsynoKhi0> am off too, nite
[01:38] <QuantumKaos> overdated laptops and xubuntu's too slow?
[01:38] <coffeej> I need help getting gspca set up
[01:39] <_Pete_> QuantumKaos: I guess that's how you define "slow" ?
[01:40] <QuantumKaos> _Pete_:"that's" what?
[01:41] <_Pete_> QuantumKaos: http://quadcore.homeunix.net/phpsysinfo/index.php?disp=dynamic
[01:41] <_Pete_> this is slow for me
[01:42] <QuantumKaos> i dont get it, what is that?
[01:42] <_Pete_> it is quadcore cpu with 8G memory and raid0 array
[01:43] <QuantumKaos> so what?
[01:43] <_Pete_> so as it is quite fast
[01:43] <_Pete_> more fast would be better
[01:44] <QuantumKaos> i was suggesting zenwalk in alternative to xubuntu cuz xubuntu is way slower then zenwalk, zenwalk runs like if i had a quadcore on my 486 laptop :D
[02:07] <psuboy> PSUBoy humbly bows to Onewart for fixing his mp3 player
[02:07] <psuboy> It must have been the codec I loaded to play mp3s
[02:08] <psuboy> it is running like a champ now!
[02:08] <onewart> psuboy: you're welcome! now enjoy linux!
[02:09] <psuboy> I have to tell you I am digging it
[02:09] <psuboy> It was long overdue...I am glad I erased windows and went 100% w/ xumbuntu...
[02:10] <onewart> psuboy: i still dual boot with Vista, but i never use it =p
[02:10] <psuboy> well, I have to use vista for work...we are a Windows shop
[02:11] <psuboy> but I hate it...I find myself sneeking away to peek at the linux blogs
[02:11] <onewart> psuboy: check Applications -> System -> Hardware Drivers and make sure you're graphics card's driver is in use
[02:11] <psuboy> ok
[02:11] <onewart> psuboy: then poke around here Applications -> Settings -> Window Manager Tweaks
[02:12] <onewart> psuboy: under Compositor I really enjoy some of the transparency and shadow options
[02:13] <psuboy> yep...great idea...I already...played around a bit...you can do some cool stuff...
[02:16] <psuboy> Onewart.. you are right on target....my driver is not activated...It is telling me I should use the proprietary  Nivida 3D accelerated graphics card
[02:16] <onewart> and you should ;)
[02:17] <psuboy> so I am pulling all my graphics off my ram right now?
[02:17] <onewart> no, you're using a basic 2d driver, not accelerated 3d
[02:17] <onewart> actually, you may be using a basic 3d
[02:17] <psuboy> ahhh
[02:18] <onewart> but it's not accelerated; that's the key!
[02:18] <psuboy> even so...everything is still so good
[02:19] <onewart> for video playback, i'd suggest VLC
[02:20] <onewart> instead of Movie Player
[02:20] <onewart> just a personal preference, though
[02:27] <psuboy> it is struggling to load the driver
[02:28] <onewart> psuboy: what do you mean?
[02:29] <psuboy> I tried to load the driver and it downloaded very slow...then it started loading..I thought ok...seems fine..then I got an error
[02:29] <psuboy> the Jockey backend crashed.
[02:30] <psuboy> so it just tried again and it said it is removing driver...now I am going to try to add again.
[02:30] <onewart> psuboy: hmm. that is odd.
[02:31] <psuboy> yea...seemed like it was going to work then it just died...I am going to watch this time
[02:34] <psuboy> Ok...reboot time...see you in a bit...
[02:41] <psuboy> Onewart...I feel like I just took off my beer goggles
[02:41] <psuboy> I was definitely in 2D
[02:41] <onewart> well now you need a beer =P
[02:42] <psuboy> dang...I do ...alas the fridge is empty...I may have to make a martini
[02:42] <psuboy> the system has sped way up also...
[02:42] <psuboy> there is no lag...it is like I just bought a brand new computer
[02:42] <onewart> yeah, it was your lack of accelerated graphics
[02:43] <onewart> by the way, linux never slows down
[02:43] <onewart> it always performs exactly the same ;)
[02:43] <psuboy> it is truly awesome...
[02:43] <psuboy> to think...I was ready to put this box on the curb with a free to a good home sticker on it.
[02:44] <onewart> hah!
[02:44] <psuboy> i can not get the smile off my face...
[02:45] <onewart> linux is the primary o/s on all of the computers in my office, not just the old ones
[02:45] <psuboy> well, this is just the first for me...I am making it a server and getting an newer laptop...
[02:46] <onewart> what sort of server?
[02:46] <psuboy> lamp
[02:46] <psuboy> I already have it set up
[02:46] <onewart> cool.
[02:47] <psuboy> trying to teach myself php and mysql
[02:47] <onewart> i have a virtual server through www.linode.com
[02:47] <onewart> fuck PHP
[02:47] <onewart> ruby & ruby on rails is the way to go ;P
[02:47] <psuboy> oh yea...I have heard of it
[02:48] <onewart> for database driven web applications it's amazing
[02:48] <onewart> some say the learning curve is steep, but once you get it, it's great.  trust me
[02:48] <psuboy> oh yea...my office does asp /.net with MS SQL
[02:48] <onewart> ish @ microsoft products
[02:49] <psuboy> yep I know...
[02:49] <onewart> save yourself the headache, and learn ruby on rails
[02:49] <onewart> the syntax is easier to understand
[02:49] <onewart> and the database logic is already pre-programmed
[02:49] <psuboy> SQL is pretty solid but every thing microsoft is klunky
[02:50] <psuboy> can i set up ruby on rails on this machine?
[02:50] <onewart> of course ;)
[02:51] <onewart> i'd recommend a few ebooks
[02:51] <psuboy> I just see so much php...plus php and mysql = pretty easy...at least so far...I am just starting all of this..
[02:51] <onewart> Sitepoint's Simply Rails 2
[02:51] <psuboy> ok
[02:51] <onewart> Apress's Beginning Rails from Novice to Professional
[02:52] <onewart> Addison-Wesley's The Rails Way
[02:52] <onewart> and possibly Pragmatic Programmer's Agile Web Development with Rails, 3rd
[02:53] <onewart> I'm just learning ruby on rails myself
[02:53] <onewart> i used to be a perl developer
[02:53] <psuboy> any web tutorials...
[02:53] <onewart> yeah
[02:53] <onewart> http://guides.rubyonrails.org/
[02:54] <onewart> the channel #rubyonrails is great too
[02:55] <psuboy> I programed in college way way back..but am trying to so some self teach
[02:55] <onewart> I just graduated from college this spring
[02:55] <psuboy> I will have to check it out...
[02:56] <psuboy> awesome...tough time...what do you do?
[02:56] <onewart> i started my own rinky-dink web development and computer repair business
[02:56] <onewart> i'm in rural Wisconsin
[02:57] <psuboy> Badger?
[02:57] <psuboy> I am a PSU alum
[02:57] <onewart> Well, no, i went to the University of Minnesota
[02:57] <psuboy> better!  :-)
[02:58] <psuboy> my company is looking for programers now
[02:58] <_Pete_> how much do you pay?
[02:58] <psuboy> ASP, Ajax, MS-SQL, some jave, jquery
[02:58] <psuboy> decent not the highest
[02:58] <_Pete_> and what is that?
[02:58] <psuboy> general web dev
[02:59] <psuboy> I am not in dev...I manage the installations
[02:59] <psuboy> I am guessing entry in 40s but that is just a pure guess
[02:59] <_Pete_> what is 40s?
[03:00] <psuboy> I just brought a guy in last spring at about 35 and he is not a programmer
[03:01] <_Pete_> I am
[03:01] <psuboy> $40K / year salary... but that is a pure guess in the dark
[03:01] <_Pete_> so what do you offet?
[03:01] <_Pete_> r
[03:01] <psuboy> what type of software?
[03:01] <forces> :O
[03:02] <psuboy> if interested check out this url...
[03:02] <forces> where can I send my C.V.?
[03:02] <psuboy> i think there is a software engineer job...
[03:02] <_Pete_> psuboy: http://www.linkedin.com/pub/petri-airio/5/960/540
[03:02] <psuboy> hang on one sec...
[03:03] <psuboy> http://www.schoolwires.com/20071062295925423/blank/browse.asp?A=383&BMDRN=2000&BCOB=0&C=55511
[03:03] <psuboy> or...www.schoolwires.com/careers
[03:04] <psuboy> you can submit a resume there...
[03:05] <psuboy> we are located in State College PA...next to Penn State
[03:05] <_Pete_> and where the hell is that?
[03:05] <onewart> lol
[03:05] <psuboy> well it is heaven not hell  :-)
[03:05] <psuboy> too funny pete
[03:06] <_Pete_> its not
[03:06] <_Pete_> only stupid to assume all are in USA
[03:06] <_Pete_> like you migth be
[03:09] <psuboy> so any how...onewart...if you are interested it is a pretty good company...Inc 500 two years in a row...
[03:10] <psuboy> very high client satisfaction...and nice people to work with
[03:13] <onewart> psuboy: cool.  if i give up on my dreams of being a successful entrepreneur and my own boss, i'll consider schoolwires.  i've booked-marked the site
[03:13] <bittin> somone here knows anything about wvdail?
[03:13] <onewart> errr. bookmarked rather
[03:13] <_Pete_> onewart: :D
[03:14] <psuboy> cant say I blame you...I think building your own deal is tops
[03:15] <_Pete_> sounds like pyramidscheme
[03:16] <onewart> someone got me to attend a pyramid scheme one time
[03:16] <onewart> it was hilarious
[03:16] <onewart> they're great scam artists
[03:17] <_Pete_> indeed
[03:17] <n2diy> can I go down stairs, and log in here, from my test box? Or do I need to log out of up here first?
[03:17] <_Pete_> I want those 160,0000000
[03:17] <onewart> i want to be one of the 0.02% who makes that much!
[03:18] <psuboy> you need to start it...and then you need to live with the fact that you just screwed someone over...
[03:18] <_Pete_> then you have more luck that psuboy offers
[03:19] <psuboy> I offer nothing...
[03:19] <_Pete_> why did you post those joblinks then?
[03:19] <psuboy> Just an opportunity if someone wants it...not working in my department...
[03:20] <onewart> psuboy: i appreciate your generosity :)
[03:20] <psuboy> they are real...if hired you would not work for me...I am in a different area
[03:20] <psuboy> of the company
[03:22] <psuboy> so the jobs don't really impact me directly...I was just letting people know about them..same as I tell people about the great experience I am having with Linux :-)
[03:23] <_Pete_> and how indirectly they impact you?
[03:23] <onewart> psuboy: your experience with ruby on rails will be even more powerful than your experience with linux
[03:23] <onewart> y;)
[03:24] <psuboy> Pete, if hired we would work for the same company...in the same office...
[03:25] <bittin> somone know how to get mobile broadband to work with wvdail?
[03:25] <onewart> bittin: sorry, i'm not familiar with wvdial
[03:25] <_Pete_> psuboy: did you read my CV?
[03:25] <psuboy> no
[03:25] <onewart> bittin: did you try the general ubuntu channel? #ubuntu
[03:25] <_Pete_> and willing to move me to there
[03:25] <bittin> onewart: yes
[03:26] <psuboy> Pete, why would I read it?
[03:26] <psuboy> I am not doing the hiring...
[03:26] <_Pete_> psuboy: because you were seeking job seekers?
[03:28] <psuboy> Pete, sorry for the confusion...I am not looking to hire ...it is just with a company that I work for
[03:28] <psuboy> as far as relocation I think it would depend on what you bring to the table
[03:28] <_Pete_> see the url above
[03:29] <psuboy> but that is not my call...I know we have done some relocation but not much
[03:29] <_Pete_> but do you still realize where I live?
[03:30] <psuboy> no...I closed my session by accident and lost the url...
[03:31] <_Pete_> ok then
[03:31] <psuboy> I take it you are not in the USA
[03:31] <_Pete_> I live in Finalnd
[03:31] <_Pete_> Finland
[03:31] <psuboy> cool...
[03:32] <_Pete_> but still if you have good offer
[03:32] <_Pete_> I will consider it
[03:32] <psuboy> it may be...you can apply..the offer is for a software engineer...
[03:33] <_Pete_> that's the one I am entitled now
[03:33] <psuboy> Finland is a long way off from USA...
[03:33] <_Pete_> It's also where linux is from
[03:34] <psuboy> Where it started.. yep. I know...
[03:35] <psuboy> and our football is not the same. :-)
[03:35] <bittin> here is the error: http://pastebin.se/198471
[03:35] <_Pete_> dont know about footballs
[03:35] <_Pete_> but kendo I do
[03:35] <psuboy> :-)
[03:36] <psuboy> well, I gotta run...nice talking with you...Onewart...thanks for the great help...I really appreciate it...Pete...good luck mate!
[03:36] <onewart> psuboy: take care man!
[03:37] <_Pete_> kendo = http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1Ak-YEROQA
[03:59] <bittin> no iam going to bed and trying to fix it when iam more non tired
[04:03] <Calcio> Hi.. How can I see my HD using Xubuntu with Live CD?
[04:05] <Calcio> I'd like see my files.
[04:08] <onewart> Calcio: well first you should open a terminal and type "sudo fdisk -l" to show your current partitions
[04:08] <onewart> Calico: second, assuming your files are on an NTFS partition, you'll need to mount that from the command line.
[04:09] <onewart> Calcio: from the same terminal do "sudo mkdir /media/windows"
[04:09] <onewart> Calcio: followed by "sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/sda* /media/windows"
[04:09] <onewart> /dev/sda* is according to the results of fdisk -l
[04:09] <onewart> hope that helps!
[04:10] <Calcio> Ok. I'm going try
[04:16] <Calcio> the command mount -t returned error.
[04:20] <onewart> what's the output of "fdisk -l"?
[04:25] <Calcio> /dev/sda1 * NTFS; /dev/sda2 win95 LBA; /dev/sda5 NTFS;
[04:26] <onewart> ok
[04:26] <onewart> "sudo mkdir /media/windows1"
[04:26] <onewart> "sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/sda1 /media/windows1"
[04:27] <onewart> you could do the same for /dev/sda5
[04:27] <onewart> but with another directory, of course!
[04:29] <Calcio> I need do it, to see my files through xubuntu on Win?
[04:33] <onewart> ubuntu's live CD offers an easier way to see your files on windows
[04:33] <onewart> without all the command-line stuff
[04:34] <onewart> however, after you mount the partition in the command line, it is accessible through the Thunar file manager...
[04:36] <Calcio> How do it without the command-line?
[04:37] <onewart> if you're considering using linux, you should familiarize yourself with the command-line operations
[04:37] <onewart> i personally don't know of a way to mount a windows partition in xubuntu without running those 2 lines of commands
[04:38] <Calcio> Ok I try it again!
[04:41] <Calcio> sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/sda1 /media/windows1 ..Does have a space beetwin sda1 and /media?
[04:42] <crazygir> when you create a tun/tap interface associated with a nic, is that device then dedicated to this tun/tap device?
[04:44] <Calcio> I do It... And Now?
[04:46] <onewart> no open up Thunar
[04:46] <onewart> file manager
[04:46] <Calcio> In te Manager File I see the folder Windows and Windows1, however I don't see my files of Windows 2000
[04:47] <Calcio> blz
[07:33] <wolfgang> join #unetbootin
[07:33] <wolfgang> grrr
[07:33] <wolfgang> sorry
[07:34] <wolfgang> anyone got this program working on xubuntu?
[08:04] <wolfgang> unetbootin on xubuntu it wont create the urb bootable correctly
[09:26] <Adola> Hi!  How do you leave a message for someone via terminal?
[09:35] <SiDi> wall
[09:35] <SiDi> or write <username>
[09:36] <_Pete_> or cat /dev/pts*
[09:42] <Adola> Thansk :)
[09:42] <Adola> How does the user recieve them?
[09:42] <TheSheep> they pop up on their terminal wherever the cursor currently is
[09:42] <TheSheep> usually mangling whatever there was before
[09:43] <TheSheep> better send an e-mail
[09:43] <Adola> Hehehe
[09:43] <Adola> I'm having an SSH war.
[09:43] <Adola> He's ssh'd into me, and I him.
[09:43] <TheSheep> 'talk username' can be useful
[09:44] <TheSheep> it's a simple chat client
[09:44] <Adola> I'm waiting for him to make my account.
[09:44] <Adola> This should be funneh :P
[09:47] <Adola> TheSheep: How does he add users?
[09:47] <Adola> Using CLI?
[09:47] <TheSheep> man useradd
[09:48] <Adola> Thanks
[09:57] <_Pete_> Adola: add me too
[09:58] <_Pete_> with root access
[09:58] <Adola> _Pete_: Heheheh :P
[09:59] <Adola> I'm going to try "write" and "talk"  Any thing else to bug him?
[09:59] <Adola> (He's portforwarding right now)
[10:00] <_Pete_> dd if=/dev/random of=/dev/<hisdrivr>
[10:01] <_Pete_> that will bug pretty much
[10:01] <Adola> Well, "write" only works if it's enabled, and "talk" only works if something's installed.
[10:02] <Adola> _Pete_: What does that do?
[10:02] <_Pete_> erase the disk being on of=
[10:03] <Adola> Oh dear....I don't think that's acceptable!
[10:03] <wolfgang> you wahts happening pete
[10:06] <TheSheep>  _Pete_: please don't give dangerous advice
[10:35] <_Pete_> TheSheep: good point
[10:35] <_Pete_> but you learn n
[10:36] <_Pete_> by doing
[12:26] <ubuntuuser1> hi. What's the difference between /etc/xdg/xfce and /etc/xdg/xubuntu ?
[12:33] <ubuntuuser1> Hi. Does anyone know the difference between /etc/xdg/xfce and /etc/xdg/xubuntu?
[12:49] <ubuntuuser1> Hi. Does anyone know the difference between /etc/xdg/xfce and /etc/xdg/xubuntu? What does xfce on a xubuntu-machine with them?
[12:49] <TheSheep> !repeat
[13:04] <knome> ubottu, xubuntu is meant to be used with xubuntu.
[13:04] <knome> ups.
[13:05] <knome> ubuntuuser1, ^
[13:05] <ubuntuuser1> what do you mean?
[13:06] <knome> you asked the difference between /et/xdg/blah
[13:06] <ubuntuuser1> well?
[13:06] <knome> and the answer is that the xubuntu one is meant to be used with xubuntu.
[13:07] <knome> the xfce one is a quite basic one
[13:08] <ubuntuuser1> but what does it mean
[13:08] <ubuntuuser1> xfce starts and gets its data from /etc/xdg/xfce ?
[13:09] <ubuntuuser1> or from /etc/xdg/xubuntu ?
[13:09] <knome> if you are that interested, you probably should open the files in your text editor
[13:09] <ubuntuuser1> if done it
[13:09] <ubuntuuser1> i've done it
[13:10] <knome> i think they are both used, xfce for xfce settings and xubuntu to bring custom settings
[13:10] <knome> ubuntuuser1, *WHAT* are you trying to achieve here, may i ask?
[13:11] <ubuntuuser1>  i tried to lock some preferences for a user by using the XfconfBackendPerchannelXml. but i didn't know whether to edit the files in /etc/xdg/xubuntu or those in /etc/xdg/xfce .
[13:11] <knome> i'd say edit the files in xubuntu, if you need to
[13:12] <ubuntuuser1> why "if you need to" ?
[13:12] <ubuntuuser1> is there another way?
[13:13] <ubuntuuser1> for example the xfce-project says that for kios-mode you have to edit those files in /etc/xdg/xfce ...
[13:14] <knome> adding it to either the places is not going to break your pc up.
[13:14] <knome> if it doesn't work, you can remove the extra configuration lines.
[13:14] <knome> happy?
[13:14] <ubuntuuser1> well - not really
[13:14] <ubuntuuser1> i wanted to understand how the system works ....
[13:16] <ubuntuuser1> what did you mean with custom settings? something like default settings? settings that are set when a new user is created?
[13:18] <knome> yes.
[13:19] <ubuntuuser1> ok and then they will be copied in the user-profile-folder and the settings that are "more powerfull" are located in /etc/xdg/xfce ?
[13:23] <ubuntuuser1> is there no documentation of that?
[13:24] <ubuntuuser1> i looked around but found nothing...
[13:33] <matthijs> hi, i have a wireless internet card of linksys inserted into my laptop, how can i install its drivers?
[13:33] <TheSheep> matthijs: you shouldn't need to install anything
[13:34] <TheSheep> matthijs: if it's supported, it should work
[13:34] <matthijs> i have a linksys WPC300N V2
[13:34] <matthijs> how can i see if it is supported?
[13:35] <matthijs> i just inserted it, after an install of xubuntu
[13:37] <matthijs> TheSheep, also i just installed xubuntu, from the mini iso and then the xubuntu-desktop install, and sound doesnt seem to work
[15:13] <crazygir> when you've setup a /dev/net/tun device, then configure tun0.. do you have to configure a second /dev/net/tunX device to have tun1, or does the tun module handle that?
[15:56] <Raggs> is it possible to make the main panel in xfce transparent/
[16:05] <SiDi_> Raggs: if you enabled the compositor transparency yes
[16:05] <SiDi_> Apps -> params -> Window tweaks
[16:05] <SiDi_> Last tab
[16:05] <SiDi_> enable it, then right click a panel -> properties -> Transparency
[16:06] <Raggs> that also makes the icons on the panel transparent
[16:11] <Raggs> thanks for the help SiDi_  gotta run
[16:55] <mikubuntu> this seems to be a fairly recent phenomenom; lately when i click on a power point presentation, instead of offering to open with open office or save file, all i get is the offer to save the file.  what gives?
[17:02] <mikubuntu> http://imagebin.org/55019
[17:12] <muse> mikubuntu: that will be browser related. Check your browser preferences/settings, locate and configure file extension handling.
[17:14] <mikubuntu> tried, but doesn't address the filetype apparently (firefox apps prefs)
[17:14] <muse> can you not add a new filetype?
[17:31] <muse> mikubuntu: looks like this could be a problem with that particular file not having the correct MIME in the HTTP response.
[17:31] <muse> try another pps not from that site
[17:55] <mikubuntu> muse, ok, will have to wait til one comes in again, i delete them all
[18:06] <CRM> Pidgin keeps wanting me to accept new certificates: "nexus.passport.com". Is it safe to let Pidgin go ahead ?
[18:28] <TheSheep> CRM: depends on what you are doing
[18:43] <CRM> TheSheep: Just started it one day, and it asked me to accept the new certificate, and I did yesterday, but today it's asking again.
[18:43] <TheSheep> what are you connecting with?
[18:44] <CRM> Pidgin, msn
[19:31] <Oysterboy> Hey there
[19:32] <Oysterboy> would this be the best channel for netbook remix questions?
[19:32] <charlie-tca__> no
[19:32] <Oysterboy> then which one?
[19:32] <charlie-tca__> I am looking
[19:33] <Oysterboy> thanks
[19:36] <charlie-tca__> still looking
[19:37] <Oysterboy> thanks, couldnt find one specifically for the remix, figured xubuntu was the closest to it
[19:37] <charlie-tca__> I'm thinking #ubuntu-ports
[19:38] <Oysterboy> ok
[19:38] <Oysterboy> ill try it out
[19:38] <Oysterboy> thanks
[19:38] <charlie-tca__> Or ask the question and see if we can answer it
[19:39] <Oysterboy> im havin an issue with booting it from a USB
[19:39] <Oysterboy> just gives me "Boot Error"
[19:39] <Oysterboy> tried other distros of Ubuntu with this machine and boots fine from a usb
[19:56] <Kangarooo> hello does brightside works in xubuntu? I installed but can't find where to manage its options..
[19:57] <charlie-tca__> I didn't think we needed it anymore... let me see
[19:58] <charlie-tca__> we shouldn't. There is an option in Applications -> Settings -> Window Manager now to do that
[19:58] <Kangarooo> http://thedailyubuntu.blogspot.com/2008/01/brightside-screen-corner-actions-and.html I installed sudo apt-get install brightside but can't modify its option..
[19:58] <charlie-tca__> but, back to the original question. I don't know, since I quit using it with Jaunty
[19:58] <Kangarooo> I want to use brightside on xubuntu :(
[19:59] <charlie-tca__> It should work. try in a terminal "brightside --help" and see if it comes up
[20:01] <charlie-tca__> As I recall, it used to be in System. Perhaps gnome no longer lets it have the menu entry, but you should be able to do it in terminal
[20:02] <Kangarooo> charlie-tca__: well a new menu entry didn't made brightside installation
[20:24] <charlie-tca__> Is there an entry in /usr/share/applications ?