| Ahmuck | nubae: u around tonight? | 03:49 |
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| sbalneav | Evening Ahmuck | 03:49 |
| Ahmuck | anyone know offhand if the atom or the nano will work as a thin client? | 03:50 |
| Ahmuck | er, sorry, wrong channel | 03:50 |
| Ahmuck | hi sbalneav | 03:50 |
| sbalneav | Of course, I would have answered that here too :) | 03:52 |
| Ahmuck | how's edubuntu coming along? | 04:14 |
| Ahmuck | i dont' see much list traffic | 04:14 |
| sbalneav | I have no idea. | 04:24 |
| sbalneav | There was a ton of sound and fury a while ago. A bunch of people wanted a DVD | 04:24 |
| sbalneav | LaserJock went to bat for them, and got a DVD approved by the tech board. | 04:24 |
| sbalneav | Now... the people who wanted the DVD, don't seem to be working on it. | 04:25 |
| sbalneav | Me? I said I'd fix up the handbook, the LTSP manual, and sabayon, and do some bug work. | 04:25 |
| sbalneav | And that's what I'm gonna do. | 04:25 |
| Ahmuck | yes, sadly i looked into my crystal ball and saw the event | 04:28 |
| sbalneav | I, and a few others, will keep plugging away at it. | 04:29 |
| Ahmuck | i did notice a mail on the list and the sender got chastised (not helped) for asking the question. considering the low volume of the list, to get another user, i think i might have replied privately helping and then re-directing | 04:29 |
| Ahmuck | i'd love to, however i know no coding | 04:30 |
| Ahmuck | which brought me to another idea, is coding falling away? | 04:30 |
| sbalneav | Well, in the "good old days" the people who worked on Unix (or Linux) were all techs | 04:30 |
| sbalneav | Back then, your ratio of users/coders was close to 1:1 | 04:31 |
| sbalneav | As Linux becomes more mainstream, that ratio keeps getting higher and higher. | 04:31 |
| sbalneav | Those that can code get spread thinner and thinner with more and more demands from the users. | 04:33 |
| sbalneav | The problem is, for us, education isn't "sexy" | 04:33 |
| sbalneav | So, we don't attract as many developers as, say, "big" projects like Firefox, Gnome, KDE, etc, would. | 04:35 |
| Ahmuck | need some type of funding model | 04:50 |
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| sbalneav | Morning all | 14:41 |
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| Ahmuck | sbalneav: imho, that edubuntu really hasn't defined it's direction or who it is yet | 20:11 |
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| sbalneav | Ahmuck: You know, I keep hearing this. | 20:19 |
| sbalneav | I keep hearing how we need plans | 20:20 |
| sbalneav | How we need strategy documents | 20:20 |
| sbalneav | How we need a DVD | 20:20 |
| sbalneav | etc. | 20:20 |
| sbalneav | And we've got TONS of plans, documents, etc. | 20:20 |
| sbalneav | What I *don't* see, however, is *actual people doing development* | 20:21 |
| sbalneav | LaserJock plugs away on his packaging | 20:21 |
| sbalneav | I plug away on docs, bugfixes, and my upstream tasks | 20:21 |
| sbalneav | Where are the people who *really wanted* the DVD? | 20:21 |
| sbalneav | Why aren't they working on it? | 20:22 |
| sbalneav | Sigh | 20:22 |
| sbalneav | I suppose I'm being bitter. | 20:22 |
| sbalneav | Ignore me | 20:22 |
| Lns | sbalneav: i concur | 20:23 |
| Ahmuck | sbalneav: i don't know what edubuntu is. originally i thought it was a "classroom" educational system | 20:23 |
| Ahmuck | i get the impression now, it's a cd that has linux edu programs on it | 20:23 |
| sbalneav | Lns: You concurr you should ignore me? :) | 20:23 |
| Lns | sbalneav: haha..no. i concur with what you said. All talk, very little action | 20:23 |
| Ahmuck | but there are a plethoria of programs in education, even online flash programs | 20:23 |
| sbalneav | Ahmuck: Well, what's a classroom educational system but a cd with programs on it. :) | 20:24 |
| Ahmuck | server, classroom managment, student management, etc. i guess that's what i thought. | 20:25 |
| sbalneav | Well, we could sure *DO* all those things. But we need more butts in more chairs writing more code :) | 20:25 |
| sbalneav | But like I said last night, those things aren't 'sexy' | 20:26 |
| sbalneav | Case in point: edubuntu handbook. | 20:26 |
| Lns | The thing is, who's gonna use it even if it is made? Who's going to know how to use it? Are the people who can't install ubuntu+edu apps on top of it and need the edubuntu dvd going to read the docs and learn these systems? | 20:26 |
| Lns | IMHO Edubuntu should be about teaching people how to use the tools Ubuntu+Edu apps offer, not trying to make it so easy to install. | 20:27 |
| sbalneav | I'm working on getting the LTSP portion of it into shape, before I move onto the Edu portion of it. It's a complete slogload of boring, repetitve, soul-sapping work: making sure tags are good, finding spelling and grammar errors, fixing layout issues. Hell, that's not even talking about actually *writing words down that go into the document*, that's all just editing and layout. | 20:28 |
| Lns | i'm just gonna shut up though, i've already said all this before haha | 20:28 |
| sbalneav | In the end, all we can do is just keep on keepin' on. | 20:28 |
| * Lns shrugs | 20:29 | |
| sbalneav | I'm too invested now to give up, so, I'll still be here. | 20:29 |
| Lns | who's giving up? | 20:29 |
| sbalneav | Well, sure. We're just grousing. | 20:29 |
| Lns | what are we giving up? =p | 20:29 |
| sbalneav | We're being Grognards | 20:30 |
| sbalneav | :) | 20:30 |
| Lns | lol | 20:30 |
| stgraber | sbalneav: btw, did you find a good way to syncronise lts-parameters ? like having only a single file that'll be used for the manpage and for the docs ? | 20:30 |
| sbalneav | Yes. | 20:30 |
| sbalneav | bzr delete lts-parameters.txt, and beat anyone who doesn't update lts.conf.xml with a soggy trout. :) | 20:31 |
| sbalneav | But I doub't that will be a popular option :) | 20:31 |
| stgraber | well, just add it to the CODING guidelines after the line about breaking the fingers of whoever uses tabs instead of spaces ;) | 20:32 |
| sbalneav | It's *mostly* up to date. I was actually going to grep "[A-Z]*_[A-Z_]*" through the source code, to see if I missed any. | 20:32 |
| stgraber | " - All if() else blocks will have {}'s, even if only 1 line long, or Ollie will break your thumbs. | 20:33 |
| stgraber | - Comments will be /* */ or Scott will break the rest of your fingers. | 20:33 |
| stgraber | [A[A[AB[B[B | 20:33 |
| stgraber | " | 20:33 |
| stgraber | (sorry for the [A... part ;)) | 20:33 |
| sbalneav | Our coding guidelines are quite violent :) | 20:33 |
| stgraber | yeah | 20:33 |
| sbalneav | I know I have to add LDM_THEME | 20:34 |
| sbalneav | stgraber: did you see any other parameters I'm obviously missing? | 20:34 |
| sbalneav | have a look at the lts.conf.5 manpage. | 20:34 |
| stgraber | yeah, there are a few missing, added a few recently that got added to ltsp-trunk but not ltsp-docs yet and I'm pretty sure things like PRINTER_LIST and DEFAULT_PRINTER aren't documented either | 20:44 |
| sbalneav | If you could either send me a quick note, or even just add 'em to lts-paramaters.txt, that'd be great. | 21:23 |
| stgraber | yeah, I'll just add them | 21:26 |
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