[03:49] <Ahmuck> nubae: u around tonight?
[03:49] <sbalneav> Evening Ahmuck
[03:50] <Ahmuck> anyone know offhand if the atom or the nano will work as a thin client?
[03:50] <Ahmuck> er, sorry, wrong channel
[03:50] <Ahmuck> hi sbalneav
[03:52] <sbalneav> Of course, I would have answered that here too :)
[04:14] <Ahmuck> how's edubuntu coming along?
[04:14] <Ahmuck> i dont' see much list traffic
[04:24] <sbalneav> I have no idea.
[04:24] <sbalneav> There was a ton of sound and fury a while ago.  A bunch of people wanted a DVD
[04:24] <sbalneav> LaserJock went to bat for them, and got a DVD approved by the tech board.
[04:25] <sbalneav> Now... the people who wanted the DVD, don't seem to be working on it.
[04:25] <sbalneav> Me?  I said I'd fix up the handbook, the LTSP manual, and sabayon, and do some bug work.
[04:25] <sbalneav> And that's what I'm gonna do.
[04:28] <Ahmuck> yes, sadly i looked into my crystal ball and saw the event
[04:29] <sbalneav> I, and a few others, will keep plugging away at it.
[04:29] <Ahmuck> i did notice a mail on the list and the sender got chastised (not helped) for asking the question.  considering the low volume of the list, to get another user, i think i might have replied privately helping and then re-directing
[04:30] <Ahmuck> i'd love to, however i know no coding
[04:30] <Ahmuck> which brought me to another idea, is coding falling away?
[04:30] <sbalneav> Well, in the "good old days" the people who worked on Unix (or Linux) were all techs
[04:31] <sbalneav> Back then, your ratio of users/coders was close to 1:1
[04:31] <sbalneav> As Linux becomes more mainstream, that ratio keeps getting higher and higher.
[04:33] <sbalneav> Those that can code get spread thinner and thinner with more and more demands from the users.
[04:33] <sbalneav> The problem is, for us, education isn't "sexy"
[04:35] <sbalneav> So, we don't attract as many developers as, say, "big" projects like Firefox, Gnome, KDE, etc, would.
[04:50] <Ahmuck> need some type of funding model
[14:41] <sbalneav> Morning all
[20:11] <Ahmuck> sbalneav: imho, that edubuntu really hasn't defined it's direction or who it is yet
[20:19] <sbalneav> Ahmuck: You know, I keep hearing this.
[20:20] <sbalneav> I keep hearing how we need plans
[20:20] <sbalneav> How we need strategy documents
[20:20] <sbalneav> How we need a DVD
[20:20] <sbalneav> etc.
[20:20] <sbalneav> And we've got TONS of plans, documents, etc.
[20:21] <sbalneav> What I *don't* see, however, is *actual people doing development*
[20:21] <sbalneav> LaserJock plugs away on his packaging
[20:21] <sbalneav> I plug away on docs, bugfixes, and my upstream tasks
[20:21] <sbalneav> Where are the people who *really wanted* the DVD?
[20:22] <sbalneav> Why aren't they working on it?
[20:22] <sbalneav> Sigh
[20:22] <sbalneav> I suppose I'm being bitter.
[20:22] <sbalneav> Ignore me
[20:23] <Lns> sbalneav: i concur
[20:23] <Ahmuck> sbalneav: i don't know what edubuntu is.  originally i thought it was a "classroom" educational system
[20:23] <Ahmuck> i get the impression now, it's a cd that has linux edu programs on it
[20:23] <sbalneav> Lns: You concurr you should ignore me? :)
[20:23] <Lns> sbalneav: haha..no. i concur with what you said. All talk, very little action
[20:23] <Ahmuck> but there are a plethoria of programs in education, even online flash programs
[20:24] <sbalneav> Ahmuck: Well, what's a classroom educational system but a cd with programs on it. :)
[20:25] <Ahmuck> server, classroom managment, student management, etc.  i guess that's what i thought.
[20:25] <sbalneav> Well, we could sure *DO* all those things.  But we need more butts in more chairs writing more code :)
[20:26] <sbalneav> But like I said last night, those things aren't 'sexy'
[20:26] <sbalneav> Case in point: edubuntu handbook.
[20:26] <Lns> The thing is, who's gonna use it even if it is made? Who's going to know how to use it? Are the people who can't install ubuntu+edu apps on top of it and need the edubuntu dvd going to read the docs and learn these systems?
[20:27] <Lns> IMHO Edubuntu should be about teaching people how to use the tools Ubuntu+Edu apps offer, not trying to make it so easy to install.
[20:28] <sbalneav> I'm working on getting the LTSP portion of it into shape, before I move onto the Edu portion of it.  It's a complete slogload of boring, repetitve, soul-sapping work: making sure tags are good, finding spelling and grammar errors, fixing layout issues.  Hell, that's not even talking about actually *writing words down that go into the document*, that's all just editing and layout.
[20:28] <Lns> i'm just gonna shut up though, i've already said all this before haha
[20:28] <sbalneav> In the end, all we can do is just keep on keepin' on.
[20:29]  * Lns shrugs
[20:29] <sbalneav> I'm too invested now to give up, so, I'll still be here.
[20:29] <Lns> who's giving up?
[20:29] <sbalneav> Well, sure.  We're just grousing.
[20:29] <Lns> what are we giving up? =p
[20:30] <sbalneav> We're being Grognards
[20:30] <sbalneav> :)
[20:30] <Lns> lol
[20:30] <stgraber> sbalneav: btw, did you find a good way to syncronise lts-parameters ? like having only a single file that'll be used for the manpage and for the docs ?
[20:30] <sbalneav> Yes.
[20:31] <sbalneav> bzr delete lts-parameters.txt, and beat anyone who doesn't update lts.conf.xml with a soggy trout. :)
[20:31] <sbalneav> But I doub't that will be a popular option :)
[20:32] <stgraber> well, just add it to the CODING guidelines after the line about breaking the fingers of whoever uses tabs instead of spaces ;)
[20:32] <sbalneav> It's *mostly* up to date.  I was actually going to grep "[A-Z]*_[A-Z_]*" through the source code, to see if I missed any.
[20:33] <stgraber> " - All if() else blocks will have {}'s, even if only 1 line long, or Ollie will break your thumbs.
[20:33] <stgraber>  - Comments will be /* */ or Scott will break the rest of your fingers.
[20:33] <stgraber> [A[A[AB[B[B
[20:33] <stgraber> "
[20:33] <stgraber> (sorry for the [A... part ;))
[20:33] <sbalneav> Our coding guidelines are quite violent :)
[20:33] <stgraber> yeah
[20:34] <sbalneav> I know I have to add LDM_THEME
[20:34] <sbalneav> stgraber: did you see any other parameters I'm obviously missing?
[20:34] <sbalneav> have a look at the lts.conf.5 manpage.
[20:44] <stgraber> yeah, there are a few missing, added a few recently that got added to ltsp-trunk but not ltsp-docs yet and I'm pretty sure things like PRINTER_LIST and DEFAULT_PRINTER aren't documented either
[21:23] <sbalneav> If you could either send me a quick note, or even just add 'em to lts-paramaters.txt, that'd be great.
[21:26] <stgraber> yeah, I'll just add them