[03:49] nubae: u around tonight? [03:49] Evening Ahmuck [03:50] anyone know offhand if the atom or the nano will work as a thin client? [03:50] er, sorry, wrong channel [03:50] hi sbalneav [03:52] Of course, I would have answered that here too :) [04:14] how's edubuntu coming along? [04:14] i dont' see much list traffic [04:24] I have no idea. [04:24] There was a ton of sound and fury a while ago. A bunch of people wanted a DVD [04:24] LaserJock went to bat for them, and got a DVD approved by the tech board. [04:25] Now... the people who wanted the DVD, don't seem to be working on it. [04:25] Me? I said I'd fix up the handbook, the LTSP manual, and sabayon, and do some bug work. [04:25] And that's what I'm gonna do. [04:28] yes, sadly i looked into my crystal ball and saw the event [04:29] I, and a few others, will keep plugging away at it. [04:29] i did notice a mail on the list and the sender got chastised (not helped) for asking the question. considering the low volume of the list, to get another user, i think i might have replied privately helping and then re-directing [04:30] i'd love to, however i know no coding [04:30] which brought me to another idea, is coding falling away? [04:30] Well, in the "good old days" the people who worked on Unix (or Linux) were all techs [04:31] Back then, your ratio of users/coders was close to 1:1 [04:31] As Linux becomes more mainstream, that ratio keeps getting higher and higher. [04:33] Those that can code get spread thinner and thinner with more and more demands from the users. [04:33] The problem is, for us, education isn't "sexy" [04:35] So, we don't attract as many developers as, say, "big" projects like Firefox, Gnome, KDE, etc, would. [04:50] need some type of funding model === ogra_ is now known as ogra [14:41] Morning all === vorian_ is now known as vorian === vorian is now known as JSwormbot === JSwormbot is now known as vorian [20:11] sbalneav: imho, that edubuntu really hasn't defined it's direction or who it is yet === ogra_ is now known as ogra [20:19] Ahmuck: You know, I keep hearing this. [20:20] I keep hearing how we need plans [20:20] How we need strategy documents [20:20] How we need a DVD [20:20] etc. [20:20] And we've got TONS of plans, documents, etc. [20:21] What I *don't* see, however, is *actual people doing development* [20:21] LaserJock plugs away on his packaging [20:21] I plug away on docs, bugfixes, and my upstream tasks [20:21] Where are the people who *really wanted* the DVD? [20:22] Why aren't they working on it? [20:22] Sigh [20:22] I suppose I'm being bitter. [20:22] Ignore me [20:23] sbalneav: i concur [20:23] sbalneav: i don't know what edubuntu is. originally i thought it was a "classroom" educational system [20:23] i get the impression now, it's a cd that has linux edu programs on it [20:23] Lns: You concurr you should ignore me? :) [20:23] sbalneav: haha..no. i concur with what you said. All talk, very little action [20:23] but there are a plethoria of programs in education, even online flash programs [20:24] Ahmuck: Well, what's a classroom educational system but a cd with programs on it. :) [20:25] server, classroom managment, student management, etc. i guess that's what i thought. [20:25] Well, we could sure *DO* all those things. But we need more butts in more chairs writing more code :) [20:26] But like I said last night, those things aren't 'sexy' [20:26] Case in point: edubuntu handbook. [20:26] The thing is, who's gonna use it even if it is made? Who's going to know how to use it? Are the people who can't install ubuntu+edu apps on top of it and need the edubuntu dvd going to read the docs and learn these systems? [20:27] IMHO Edubuntu should be about teaching people how to use the tools Ubuntu+Edu apps offer, not trying to make it so easy to install. [20:28] I'm working on getting the LTSP portion of it into shape, before I move onto the Edu portion of it. It's a complete slogload of boring, repetitve, soul-sapping work: making sure tags are good, finding spelling and grammar errors, fixing layout issues. Hell, that's not even talking about actually *writing words down that go into the document*, that's all just editing and layout. [20:28] i'm just gonna shut up though, i've already said all this before haha [20:28] In the end, all we can do is just keep on keepin' on. [20:29] * Lns shrugs [20:29] I'm too invested now to give up, so, I'll still be here. [20:29] who's giving up? [20:29] Well, sure. We're just grousing. [20:29] what are we giving up? =p [20:30] We're being Grognards [20:30] :) [20:30] lol [20:30] sbalneav: btw, did you find a good way to syncronise lts-parameters ? like having only a single file that'll be used for the manpage and for the docs ? [20:30] Yes. [20:31] bzr delete lts-parameters.txt, and beat anyone who doesn't update lts.conf.xml with a soggy trout. :) [20:31] But I doub't that will be a popular option :) [20:32] well, just add it to the CODING guidelines after the line about breaking the fingers of whoever uses tabs instead of spaces ;) [20:32] It's *mostly* up to date. I was actually going to grep "[A-Z]*_[A-Z_]*" through the source code, to see if I missed any. [20:33] " - All if() else blocks will have {}'s, even if only 1 line long, or Ollie will break your thumbs. [20:33] - Comments will be /* */ or Scott will break the rest of your fingers. [20:33] [A[A[AB[B[B [20:33] " [20:33] (sorry for the [A... part ;)) [20:33] Our coding guidelines are quite violent :) [20:33] yeah [20:34] I know I have to add LDM_THEME [20:34] stgraber: did you see any other parameters I'm obviously missing? [20:34] have a look at the lts.conf.5 manpage. [20:44] yeah, there are a few missing, added a few recently that got added to ltsp-trunk but not ltsp-docs yet and I'm pretty sure things like PRINTER_LIST and DEFAULT_PRINTER aren't documented either [21:23] If you could either send me a quick note, or even just add 'em to lts-paramaters.txt, that'd be great. [21:26] yeah, I'll just add them