[00:15] http://www.gnome.org/~behdad/survey/index.php [00:15] please fill in, all if possible [00:16] http://www.gnome.org/~behdad/survey/index.php?sid=94926&lang=en this one actually [02:27] yuriy: Please see my comments on bug 389245 [02:27] Launchpad bug 389245 in kubuntu-website "[wiki] top title doesn't have separators and is redundant" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/389245 [02:41] * Aranel I'm back =) [02:42] eww, amsg is evil [02:43] Hmmm... only got spammed to 16 channels ;) [02:45] oops :) [02:45] I see you have been berated in several channels, so I'll forgive you ;) [02:46] yeah, surely i had enough punishment :) [02:53] Bad Aranel! Bad!! [02:54] just ignore it =P [02:55] I would but I have quassel so it's a long banner on the bottom of the screen [02:55] :( sorry about it. [02:55] anyway, i got rid of it :) [03:17] Do we have the Akonadi/CouchDB agent packaged yet? http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/playground/pim/akonadi/desktop-couch/ [03:17] If someone packages it, feel free to ping me for reviews. [03:18] did kmail get faster? [03:18] that imap sync seemed to take about half the usual time [03:19] Why are we shipping with Highlight window? [03:48] Oh has Kopete been backported yet? === fran_ is now known as fran === fran is now known as fran_ [05:45] Hello [05:48] I have seen that Arora is the new web browser by default in Kubuntu. I have a question: why is used Arora and not Konqueror with Webkit engine? [05:49] There is no Konqueror with Webkit yet. [05:51] then what is 'webkitkde' package? [05:51] "webkit KPart for Konqueror" [05:53] I don't think it's well integrated yet. [05:53] It's a work in progress. [05:54] any news about Qt version of Firefox? [05:54] Dead [05:55] Alive [05:55] Is not Nokia interested in it yet? [05:55] * ScottK isn't aware of anyone working on it. [05:55] It's been moved to the core Mozila repos [05:56] it's had commits to it 3 days ago last I checked [05:56] Which was three days ago [05:56] many users think that Qt version of Firefox whould be the best solution for Kubuntu [05:56] DaskreeCH: Interesting. [05:57] EagleScreen: Tell them to mail Mozilla [05:58] I think the best solution would be solid choices [05:58] So far we've got none great to pick from. [05:59] okay, I understand that Mozilla upstream must work in it, but Kubuntu developpers should pay much atention to Firefox-Qt development [06:00] by the momment, good luck with Arora [08:44] * hsitter notes that webkit is currently in the much better support position due to the amount of corporate backup [08:44] apple, google, OHA, nokia [08:51] if chromium was any more mature we could port it to Qt and use that as browser :D [08:51] certainly would give our reliability in these things quite a boost [08:52] and you wouldn't have to implement independent spyware for KDE [08:53] Ke: well, patched-chromium then [08:54] =o) [08:54] besides, firefox is spying as much I have been told :P [08:54] spyware all over \o/ [08:54] yes [08:55] would be nice to even know, what are they spying on [08:56] Ke: general user interaction I suppose [08:57] which, anonymized properly, makes a lot of sense IMHO [08:57] well still user should have right to decide [08:58] agreed [08:59] it's not easy though: a) you can't ask the user, because you will confuse the average user b) you can't turn it on by default, otherwise people like the ones in kubuntu-devel will bitch about you c) you have to turn it on by default to make sense [08:59] yes [08:59] these kind of data are only useful if you have exposure from both, the average user as well as users with advanced background [09:00] if you turn off by default, some of the latter "might" turn it on to help, but then you are missing out on the average user again [09:00] still I guess I care more about protecting personal files than my browsing profile [09:01] even security point of view, I would like to know anything outside the browser path is protected [09:02] well, the talkhome data should never contain any important information [09:03] general usage is much more important anyway ... like how often does the search bar get used, or another specific feature [09:03] what is the most popular search engine, and how often does a user do a web search [09:06] * hsitter is wondering if clamwin is any good === m4v_ is now known as m4v [09:07] Oo [09:07] no google * beta :| [09:28] Riddell: community stuff on the todo are all done I suppse? === kwwii_ is now known as kwwii === asac_ is now known as asac [10:10] hsitter: yes [10:12] * hsitter is wondering why plasma-mid always crashes on kde-nightly [10:14] did I ever metion that moinmoin is quite the PITA for editing? [10:14] way too much scrolling [10:14] Riddell: did we hear back from quassel and arora devs? [10:15] hsitter: quassel yes, see mailing list [10:15] arora a general agreement from them on irc [10:16] Riddell: I suppose it can be marked done? [10:16] any notes for them? [10:17] read the e-mails and decide I guess [10:17] btw, kde4libs holds a fix that helps with getting filesharing in shape again :P [10:17] Tm_T: did you tell icefox about the l10n issue in arora? [10:17] Riddell: well, do we stick with quassel or not [10:18] * hsitter notes that we shouldn't switch software that often, especially since we have no migrations in place [10:18] konqueror => arora means loss of all cookies and need of manual bookmark import [10:18] not to mention passwords [10:21] ryanakca: I really think kubuntu-website needs a wiki page linking to the launchpad code, explain how the general process works (implementation => testing => submit for review by sysadmins...) [10:24] hsitter: stick with quassel for now and make a decision around beta time [10:24] pretty late :P [10:24] * hsitter updates todo [10:36] Riddell: I think kde-icons-oxygen should be renamed [10:36] to reflect it's live in kdesupport and general implementation of the xdg icon naming spec rather than KDE [10:37] oxygen-icon-theme [10:37] which is in line with tango-icon-theme and human-icon-theme and hicolor-icon-theme [10:39] I agree [10:42] hsitter: after talking to ScottK, I thought it might be a good idea to put the current work on improving translations to the Kubuntu/Todo/Karmic page. I'm going to put yourself, arne and I as 'Assigned to', are you ok with that? [10:43] dpm: sure :) [10:45] hsitter: ok, cool. Done -> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo/Karmic#Translations === micmord is now known as lipk === txwikinger2 is now known as txwikinger_work [14:33] I'm an uncle.. my sister had a baby boy... 11lb 13 oz... :) [14:34] rgreening: congratulations [14:34] ty [14:34] * rgreening hands cigars to everyone [14:35] holy crap! that's a huge baby [14:36] hehe.. yep. the baby is very tall... [14:36] my sister is 6' and her husband is 6'6" [14:36] that makes sense [14:37] I expect the baby to be a basketball player :) [14:37] we can only hope :) [14:37] or extremely uncoordinated... one or the other [14:37] :P [14:37] Football lineman then [14:37] lol [14:37] ha === firephoto_ is now known as firephoto [15:24] dfasg === vorian_ is now known as vorian [15:54] Riddell: When you updated https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/DependencyGraph it appears you just uploaded the image and not the revised txt file. Without the source it's a bit hard for the rest of us to maintain it .... [15:56] ScottK: are you adding pim-runtime? [15:56] vorian: I was hoping to. [15:57] Lacking the current source, I'm not. [15:57] ya, silly Riddell :P [15:57] ~ninjas [15:57] apachelogger, Arby, devfil, JontheEchidna, nhandler, Riddell, ScottK, stdin, nixternal, a|wen and vorian ... to the Batcave! [15:58] vorian: Someone needs to update that for hsitter's new nick [15:58] i think only hsitter can uplate it [15:58] script add -f ninjas m.reply "{apachelogger OR hsitter}, Arby, devfil, JontheEchidna, nhandler, Riddell, ScottK, stdin, nixternal, a|wen and vorian ... to the Batcave!" [15:58] kubotu: script add -f ninjas m.reply "{apachelogger OR hsitter}, Arby, devfil, JontheEchidna, nhandler, Riddell, ScottK, stdin, nixternal, a|wen and vorian ... to the Batcave!" [15:58] okay [15:58] ninjas [15:59] kubotu: ninjas [15:59] {apachelogger OR hsitter}, Arby, devfil, JontheEchidna, nhandler, Riddell, ScottK, stdin, nixternal, a|wen and vorian ... to the Batcave! [15:59] fancy [15:59] * hsitter notes that firefox disables one's command emitter === vorian is now known as JSwormbot === JSwormbot is now known as vorian [17:14] * ScottK marks down sparc as another arch with KDE fully built. [17:14] hrrr [17:14] got any sparK from it? [17:15] Not me. No hardware. [17:18] Can anyone verify if quassel causes high CPU usage for plasma after a couple of hours running? [17:18] My plasma goes to 99-100%... kill quassel goes back to normal. [17:18] rgreening: Which release? [17:19] using KDE 4.3 RC1 under karmic quassel 0.4.2 [17:19] rgreening: no problems here [17:19] On Jaunty nspluginviewer is generally the culprit for high CPU. No Karmic here, sorry. [17:19] and same setup [17:19] rgreening, lots of notifications in the meantime? [17:20] nope maco [17:20] oh [17:20] ScottK, im getting the ns thing too [17:20] neversfelde: hmm... do you use Kmain/Kontack... maybe that was the issue. I shut it down before quassel.. but it didn't seem to help. [17:20] That's Firefox related. [17:21] * ScottK hands rgreening an 'l' [17:21] and a t [17:21] cause I kant spel [17:21] rgreening: yes, I use it :) [17:21] hmm... what could be causing my CPU for plasma-desktop to shoot up then... [17:22] Im going to try and not run kmail and see if it happens or not [17:22] oh! that was mail? [17:22] I had some problems with playwolf and the official kde plasmoid for amarok, had a slow desktop while using them [17:23] I killed the config files for plasma and the problem is gone [17:23] there's something definately running amuck [17:24] ScottK: I have 3 HP DL380G6's arrive... gonna make a vmware ESX cluster and run ubuntu server vm's... :) [17:24] yum [17:24] Sounds fun. [17:25] its all new to me... so lots of learning [17:25] rgreening: You could work on Kolab integration and we could have Kubuntu Server Edition for Karmic +1. [17:25] * ScottK is not entirely kidding, btw. [17:26] heh [17:26] I think there's some potential market utility in a Kubuntu* groupware solution. [17:27] ScottK: if you want to help direct me... I can look at it. I'll have vm's to play with... [17:27] rgreening: Install Kolab, notice Debian's Kolab packages are out of date and suck and then work from there. [17:27] lol [17:27] bwahahah [17:28] It's been some time since I looked, but that's how it looked last time I checked. [17:28] rgreening: How are we doing about getting USB creator uploaded? [17:28] one good thing about setting up the cluster, is I'll be able to have vm's for various ubuntu release to test/playwith... [17:29] ScottK: waiting on evand to finish the devicekit-disks back-end (porting from HAL). The HAL back-end is very tempermental and buggy as sin. [17:30] rgreening: It'd be really good to have this before Alpha 3 .... [17:30] evand has some stuff in a seperate branch... once he finishes, he'll merge it (maybe later this week or early next week... hopefully. [17:30] when is a3 [17:30] Two weeks I think. [17:30] So that works [17:30] rgreening: That's also when we need your "Here's how you install Kubuntu Netbook Edition" stuff. [17:30] ok.. I'll push him :) [17:31] We need it for the ISO QA tracker procedures. [17:31] ScottK: hmm... I'll try and make some time... [17:32] rgreening: Take a look at the tests in the ISO tracker now and try to mimic the level of detail there (although since USB stuff is different you may need a little extra detail). [17:32] ScottK, neversfelde: yeah, had my CPU skyrocket again... plasma-desktop showed it as the culprit, but I killed the nsplugin viewer. it returned to normal. that's not good! [17:33] ScottK: whats thew link for that again (so I have it for ref). [17:34] * ScottK looks around for it. [17:43] rgreening: I found http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/Install http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/CaseAndPlanGuidelines and https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Testing/Kubuntu/Introduction - due to not testing Kubuntu stuff right now, I couldn't find the link to the exact Kubuntu install procedure. [17:43] rgreening: Maybe davmor2 knows. [17:46] is this the place to ask about issues related to the 4.3 rc or is that in #kubuntu? [17:58] ScottK: that's cause I'm only on short term contracts and by the time I've done the re-rights I run out of time for the other desktops [17:59] davmor2: No issue, just looking for the link to the current Kubuntu test procedures so rgreening can write the USB stick install bits. === dpm_ is now known as dpm [18:16] is akonadi broken in the rc? [18:16] no [18:17] not that I know, because it works here. Install kubuntu-desktop [18:19] Got one papercut (maybe it is one already existing) Ability to change shortcut on krunner. instead of alt+F2 I would prefer alt+space [18:20] kubuntu-desktop is already installed. since installing the rc kaddressbook is blank, there is no akonadi app in the menu and mailody says its not wotking correctly [18:21] harolddong, is akonadi installed? [18:21] all of the akonadi packages are installed except the debug one [18:22] also in koete the metacontacts arent metacontacts anymore..I guess because they are connected to the addressbook [18:22] * maco moves her akonadi further away from harolddong [18:23] dont touch! [18:23] at first I th9ought that kaddressbook just got wiped out somehow which would have sucked but now I think its just that the akonadi install in tweaked somehow? [18:24] where is the addressbook data actually saved? [18:24] In akonadi [18:24] Or rather it's mysql database [18:24] * ScottK notes KDE is now fully built on ia64. Thanks to the overdue death of hppa that just leaves armel. [18:25] where is the database? [18:26] I'm going to try just backing up settings and deleting the .kde folder [19:17] ScottK: rgreening: http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/Install I've added usb install to the bottom. Just click on the link and add the page :) hope that helps [19:18] davmor2: Cool. Thanks. === kubotu_ is now known as kubotu === dpm__ is now known as dpm [21:11] is kalternatives going default? [21:12] or main, rather [21:19] <_Groo_> hi/2 all [21:21] vorian: I don't think it's been discussed. [21:34] _Groo_! [21:34] Riddell: Hey there. [21:34] _Groo_: the Amarok people were comlaining about needing liblastfm so I finished it off [21:34] Riddell: is sebr or markey or leo anywhere near you? [21:34] * Nightrose hugs Riddell for packaging it [21:34] Nightrose: not currently, they're probably applying liberal after-sun just now [21:35] haha [21:35] _Groo_: although there's a new KDE release candidate should you be in a packaging mood [21:35] Riddell: if you don't mind tell seb or leo to ping me tomorrow please [21:36] ScottK: sparc goodness is your doing? [21:36] need to talk about gsoc with them [21:36] <_Groo_> Riddell: but didnt rc1 out yet in experimental? [21:36] _Groo_: they just released RC 2 [21:36] Riddell: ia64 too. [21:36] ScottK: super, congratulations [21:36] hmm, I seem to have gained ops here too [21:36] <_Groo_> Riddell: thanks for finishing it.. i didnt had the time the last weeks, im sorry :( my company just finished a contract for 250 000 users and im running to complete the architecture [21:37] <_Groo_> Riddell: nice :) [21:37] <_Groo_> Riddell: well im sucessfully running builds for amarok 2.2... smooth out the bugs [21:37] <_Groo_> Riddell: packaging bugs i mean [21:37] _Groo_: good luck with that [21:38] <_Groo_> Riddell: is kdebindings building yet? [21:38] <_Groo_> Riddell: well amarok 2.2 svn is building and working just fine :) [21:39] _Groo_: yes, except for pesky arm https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+source/kdebindings/4:4.2.95-0ubuntu1 [21:39] <_Groo_> Riddell: who cares about arm? ;) just kidding [21:39] Riddell: NCommander has a proposal to infinity to fix armel. [21:40] <_Groo_> ho btw ppl, bug radeon ppl! they break kwin3d with latest dri2/kms (which im testing, packaging and doing bug report) and they dont care enough!!! :D [21:40] _Groo_: I care, thus it's highly important to us all (;) [21:40] The problem was that lzma compression was timing out on the buildds [22:00] Monika|K: new KDE RC release if you're in a packaging mood :) [22:02] hm, no time for today and the next two days, got to read/correct a friend's magister thesis ... and I haven't packaged anything, yet [22:04] nomodeset FTW. [22:10] So it'll be a while before rc2 hits the kubuntu ppa? [22:11] Zorael: when it's ready [22:11] they didn't give any advance notice to packagers [22:14] If anyone sees Tonio around, please give hiim a smack for me. He's late on his netbook default settings and not that I have one, it's really annoying me... [22:17] claydoh: do you know this guy? https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=199611 [22:17] KDE bug 199611 in feeds "Information about http://hanswchen wordpress com" [Normal,New] [22:20] Riddell: no, he looks to be from the KDE forums, his nick sounds familiar. odd bug report tho :) [22:27] Riddell : I haven't visited KDE's forums too much lately [22:28] claydoh: I'm trying just asking him directly [22:29] Riddell: ask him what? [22:30] Install in the Dell mini 10v went swimmingly after I disabled KMS. No wifi though. I'll work on that later. Suggestions welcome. [22:30] Monika|K: pbuider can run besides :) [22:31] claydoh: to prove his credentials [22:33] Riddell: ahh, should have seen that, my work is distractng me ;) [22:34] neversfelde if I had already packaged something before [22:34] Monika|K: I am sure you would not have a problem with this process :) [23:15] <_Groo_> ppl could anyone confirm if brasero/k3b 2.0 is borken with latest policykit 0.9.2 and policykit-kde 0.9.2? it only allows to use the burner when using root === Blizzzek is now known as Blizzz [23:22] <_Groo_> is anyone habing this problem? [23:23] * Riddell at GCDS and not able to test [23:27] hum [23:27] I need to make the rosetta templates list parser a library :D [23:28] and I need to make it calculate an average age of template to get an appropriate removability === maco_ is now known as maco