[00:15] <sebas> http://www.gnome.org/~behdad/survey/index.php
[00:15] <sebas> please fill in, all if possible
[00:16] <sebas> http://www.gnome.org/~behdad/survey/index.php?sid=94926&lang=en this one actually
[02:27] <ryanakca> yuriy: Please see my comments on bug 389245
[02:41]  * Aranel I'm back =)
[02:42] <tsimpson> eww, amsg is evil
[02:43] <ryanakca> Hmmm... only got spammed to 16 channels ;)
[02:45] <Aranel> oops :)
[02:45] <tsimpson> I see you have been berated in several channels, so I'll forgive you ;)
[02:46] <Aranel> yeah, surely i had enough punishment :)
[02:53] <DaskreeCH> Bad Aranel! Bad!!
[02:54] <Aranel> just ignore it =P
[02:55] <DaskreeCH> I would but I have quassel so it's a long banner on the bottom of the screen
[02:55] <Aranel> :( sorry about it.
[02:55] <Aranel> anyway, i got rid of it :)
[03:17] <ScottK> Do we have the Akonadi/CouchDB agent packaged yet?  http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/playground/pim/akonadi/desktop-couch/
[03:17] <ScottK> If someone packages it, feel free to ping me for reviews.
[03:18] <maco> did kmail get faster?
[03:18] <maco> that imap sync seemed to take about half the usual time
[03:19] <DaskreeCH> Why are we shipping with Highlight window?
[03:48] <DaskreeCH> Oh has Kopete been backported yet?
[05:45] <EagleScreen> Hello
[05:48] <EagleScreen> I have seen that Arora is the new web browser by default in Kubuntu. I have a question: why is used Arora and not Konqueror with Webkit engine?
[05:49] <ScottK> There is no Konqueror with Webkit yet.
[05:51] <EagleScreen> then what is 'webkitkde' package?
[05:51] <EagleScreen> "webkit KPart for Konqueror"
[05:53] <ScottK> I don't think it's well integrated yet.
[05:53] <ScottK> It's a work in progress.
[05:54] <EagleScreen> any news about Qt version of Firefox?
[05:54] <ScottK> Dead
[05:55] <DaskreeCH> Alive
[05:55] <EagleScreen> Is not Nokia interested in it yet?
[05:55]  * ScottK isn't aware of anyone working on it.
[05:55] <DaskreeCH> It's been moved to the core Mozila repos
[05:56] <DaskreeCH> it's had commits to it 3 days ago last I checked
[05:56] <DaskreeCH> Which was three days ago
[05:56] <EagleScreen> many users think that Qt version of Firefox whould be the best solution for Kubuntu
[05:56] <ScottK> DaskreeCH: Interesting.
[05:57] <DaskreeCH> EagleScreen: Tell them to mail Mozilla
[05:58] <DaskreeCH> I think the best solution would be solid choices
[05:58] <ScottK> So far we've got none great to pick from.
[05:59] <EagleScreen> okay, I understand that Mozilla upstream must work in it, but Kubuntu developpers should pay much atention to Firefox-Qt development
[06:00] <EagleScreen> by the momment, good luck with Arora
[08:44]  * hsitter notes that webkit is currently in the much better support position due to the amount of corporate backup
[08:44] <hsitter> apple, google, OHA, nokia
[08:51] <hsitter> if chromium was any more mature we could port it to Qt and use that as browser :D
[08:51] <hsitter> certainly would give our reliability in these things quite a boost
[08:52] <Ke> and you wouldn't have to implement independent spyware for KDE
[08:53] <hsitter> Ke: well, patched-chromium then
[08:54] <Ke> =o)
[08:54] <hsitter> besides, firefox is spying as much I have been told :P
[08:54] <hsitter> spyware all over \o/
[08:54] <Ke> yes
[08:55] <Ke> would be nice to even know, what are they spying on
[08:56] <hsitter> Ke: general user interaction I suppose
[08:57] <hsitter> which, anonymized properly, makes a lot of sense IMHO
[08:57] <Ke> well still user should have right to decide
[08:58] <hsitter> agreed
[08:59] <hsitter> it's not easy though: a) you can't ask the user, because you will confuse the average user b) you can't turn it on by default, otherwise people like the ones in kubuntu-devel will bitch about you c) you have to turn it on by default to make sense
[08:59] <Ke> yes
[08:59] <hsitter> these kind of data are only useful if you have exposure from both, the average user as well as users with advanced background
[09:00] <hsitter> if you turn off by default, some of the latter "might" turn it on to help, but then you are missing out on the average user again
[09:00] <Ke> still I guess I care more about protecting personal files than my browsing profile
[09:01] <Ke> even security point of view, I would like to know anything outside the browser path is protected
[09:02] <hsitter> well, the talkhome data should never contain any important information
[09:03] <hsitter> general usage is much more important anyway ... like how often does the search bar get used, or another specific feature
[09:03] <hsitter> what is the most popular search engine, and how often does a user do a web search
[09:06]  * hsitter is wondering if clamwin is any good
[09:07] <hsitter> Oo
[09:07] <hsitter> no google * beta :|
[09:28] <hsitter> Riddell: community stuff on the todo are all done I suppse?
[10:10] <Riddell> hsitter: yes
[10:12]  * hsitter is wondering why plasma-mid always crashes on kde-nightly
[10:14] <hsitter> did I ever metion that moinmoin is quite the PITA for editing?
[10:14] <hsitter> way too much scrolling
[10:14] <hsitter> Riddell: did we hear back from quassel and arora devs?
[10:15] <Riddell> hsitter: quassel yes, see mailing list
[10:15] <Riddell> arora a general agreement from them on irc
[10:16] <hsitter> Riddell: I suppose it can be marked done?
[10:16] <hsitter> any notes for them?
[10:17] <Riddell> read the e-mails and decide I guess
[10:17] <hsitter> btw, kde4libs holds a fix that helps with getting filesharing in shape again :P
[10:17] <hsitter> Tm_T: did you tell icefox about the l10n issue in arora?
[10:17] <hsitter> Riddell: well, do we stick with quassel or not
[10:18]  * hsitter notes that we shouldn't switch software that often, especially since we have no migrations in place
[10:18] <hsitter> konqueror => arora means loss of all cookies and need of manual bookmark import
[10:18] <hsitter> not to mention passwords
[10:21] <hsitter> ryanakca: I really think kubuntu-website needs a wiki page linking to the launchpad code, explain how the general process works (implementation => testing => submit for review by sysadmins...)
[10:24] <Riddell> hsitter: stick with quassel for now and make a decision around beta time
[10:24] <hsitter> pretty late :P
[10:24]  * hsitter updates todo
[10:36] <hsitter> Riddell: I think kde-icons-oxygen should be renamed
[10:36] <hsitter> to reflect it's live in kdesupport and general implementation of the xdg icon naming spec rather than KDE
[10:37] <hsitter> oxygen-icon-theme
[10:37] <hsitter> which is in line with tango-icon-theme and human-icon-theme and hicolor-icon-theme
[10:39] <kwwii> I agree
[10:42] <dpm> hsitter: after talking to ScottK, I thought it might be a good idea to put the current work on improving translations to the Kubuntu/Todo/Karmic page. I'm going to put yourself, arne and I as 'Assigned to', are you ok with that?
[10:43] <hsitter> dpm: sure :)
[10:45] <dpm> hsitter: ok, cool. Done -> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo/Karmic#Translations
[14:33] <rgreening> I'm an uncle.. my sister had a baby boy... 11lb 13 oz... :)
[14:34] <neversfelde> rgreening: congratulations
[14:34] <rgreening> ty
[14:34]  * rgreening hands cigars to everyone
[14:35] <vorian> holy crap! that's a huge baby
[14:36] <rgreening> hehe.. yep. the baby is very tall...
[14:36] <rgreening> my sister is 6' and her husband is 6'6"
[14:36] <vorian> that makes sense
[14:37] <rgreening> I expect the baby to be a basketball player :)
[14:37] <vorian> we can only hope :)
[14:37] <rgreening> or extremely uncoordinated... one or the other
[14:37] <rgreening> :P
[14:37] <ScottK> Football lineman then
[14:37] <rgreening> lol
[14:37] <vorian> ha
[15:24] <vorian_> dfasg
[15:54] <ScottK> Riddell: When you updated https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/DependencyGraph it appears you just uploaded the image and not the revised txt file.  Without the source it's a bit hard for the rest of us to maintain it ....
[15:56] <vorian> ScottK: are you adding pim-runtime?
[15:56] <ScottK> vorian: I was hoping to.
[15:57] <ScottK> Lacking the current source, I'm not.
[15:57] <vorian> ya, silly Riddell :P
[15:57] <vorian> ~ninjas
[15:57] <kubotu> apachelogger, Arby, devfil, JontheEchidna, nhandler, Riddell, ScottK, stdin, nixternal, a|wen and vorian ... to the Batcave!
[15:58] <ScottK> vorian: Someone needs to update that for hsitter's new nick
[15:58] <vorian> i think only hsitter can uplate it
[15:58] <hsitter> script add -f ninjas m.reply "{apachelogger OR hsitter}, Arby, devfil, JontheEchidna, nhandler, Riddell, ScottK, stdin, nixternal, a|wen and vorian ... to the Batcave!"
[15:58] <hsitter> kubotu: script add -f ninjas m.reply "{apachelogger OR hsitter}, Arby, devfil, JontheEchidna, nhandler, Riddell, ScottK, stdin, nixternal, a|wen and vorian ... to the Batcave!"
[15:58] <kubotu> okay
[15:58] <hsitter> ninjas
[15:59] <hsitter> kubotu: ninjas
[15:59] <kubotu> {apachelogger OR hsitter}, Arby, devfil, JontheEchidna, nhandler, Riddell, ScottK, stdin, nixternal, a|wen and vorian ... to the Batcave!
[15:59] <vorian> fancy
[15:59]  * hsitter notes that firefox disables one's command emitter
[17:14]  * ScottK marks down sparc as another arch with KDE fully built.
[17:14] <Tm_T> hrrr
[17:14] <Tm_T> got any sparK from it?
[17:15] <ScottK> Not me.  No hardware.
[17:18] <rgreening> Can anyone verify if quassel causes high CPU usage for plasma after a couple of hours running?
[17:18] <rgreening> My plasma goes to 99-100%... kill quassel goes back to normal.
[17:18] <ScottK> rgreening: Which release?
[17:19] <rgreening> using KDE 4.3 RC1 under karmic quassel 0.4.2
[17:19] <neversfelde> rgreening: no problems here
[17:19] <ScottK> On Jaunty nspluginviewer is generally the culprit for high CPU.  No Karmic here, sorry.
[17:19] <neversfelde> and same setup
[17:19] <maco> rgreening, lots of notifications in the meantime?
[17:20] <rgreening> nope maco
[17:20] <maco> oh
[17:20] <maco> ScottK, im getting the ns thing too
[17:20] <rgreening> neversfelde: hmm... do you use Kmain/Kontack... maybe that was the issue. I shut it down before quassel.. but it didn't seem to help.
[17:20] <ScottK> That's Firefox related.
[17:21]  * ScottK hands rgreening an 'l'
[17:21] <rgreening> and a t
[17:21] <rgreening> cause I kant spel
[17:21] <neversfelde> rgreening: yes, I use it :)
[17:21] <rgreening> hmm... what could be causing my CPU for plasma-desktop to shoot up then...
[17:22] <rgreening> Im going to try and not run kmail and see if it happens or not
[17:22] <maco> oh! that was mail?
[17:22] <neversfelde> I had some problems with playwolf and the official kde plasmoid for amarok, had a slow desktop while using them
[17:23] <neversfelde> I killed the config files for plasma and the problem is gone
[17:23] <rgreening> there's something definately running amuck
[17:24] <rgreening> ScottK: I have 3 HP DL380G6's arrive... gonna make a vmware ESX cluster and run ubuntu server vm's... :)
[17:24] <rgreening> yum
[17:24] <ScottK> Sounds fun.
[17:25] <rgreening> its all new to me... so lots of learning
[17:25] <ScottK> rgreening: You could work on Kolab integration and we could have Kubuntu Server Edition for Karmic +1.
[17:25]  * ScottK is not entirely kidding, btw.
[17:26] <rgreening> heh
[17:26] <ScottK> I think there's some potential market utility in a Kubuntu* groupware solution.
[17:27] <rgreening> ScottK: if you want to help direct me... I can look at it. I'll have vm's to play with...
[17:27] <ScottK> rgreening: Install Kolab, notice Debian's Kolab packages are out of date and suck and then work from there.
[17:27] <rgreening> lol
[17:27] <rgreening> bwahahah
[17:28] <ScottK> It's been some time since I looked, but that's how it looked last time I checked.
[17:28] <ScottK> rgreening: How are we doing about getting USB creator uploaded?
[17:28] <rgreening> one good thing about setting up the cluster, is I'll be able to have vm's for various ubuntu release to test/playwith...
[17:29] <rgreening> ScottK: waiting on evand to finish the devicekit-disks back-end (porting from HAL). The HAL back-end is very tempermental and buggy as sin.
[17:30] <ScottK> rgreening: It'd be really good to have this before Alpha 3 ....
[17:30] <rgreening> evand has some stuff in a seperate branch... once he finishes, he'll merge it (maybe later this week or early next week... hopefully.
[17:30] <rgreening> when is a3
[17:30] <ScottK> Two weeks I think.
[17:30] <ScottK> So that works
[17:30] <ScottK> rgreening: That's also when we need your "Here's how you install Kubuntu Netbook Edition" stuff.
[17:30] <rgreening> ok.. I'll push him :)
[17:31] <ScottK> We need it for the ISO QA tracker procedures.
[17:31] <rgreening> ScottK: hmm... I'll try and make some time...
[17:32] <ScottK> rgreening: Take a look at the tests in the ISO tracker now and try to mimic the level of detail there (although since USB stuff is different you may need a little extra detail).
[17:32] <rgreening> ScottK, neversfelde: yeah, had my CPU skyrocket again... plasma-desktop showed it as the culprit, but I killed the nsplugin viewer. it returned to normal. that's not good!
[17:33] <rgreening> ScottK: whats thew link for that again (so I have it for ref).
[17:34]  * ScottK looks around for it.
[17:43] <ScottK> rgreening: I found http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/Install http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/CaseAndPlanGuidelines and https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Testing/Kubuntu/Introduction - due to not testing Kubuntu stuff right now, I couldn't find the link to the exact Kubuntu install procedure.
[17:43] <ScottK> rgreening: Maybe davmor2 knows.
[17:46] <harolddong> is this the place to ask about issues related to the 4.3 rc or is that in #kubuntu?
[17:58] <davmor2> ScottK: that's cause I'm only on short term contracts and by the time I've done the re-rights I run out of time for the other desktops
[17:59] <ScottK> davmor2: No issue, just looking for the link to the current Kubuntu test procedures so rgreening can write the USB stick install bits.
[18:16] <harolddong> is akonadi broken in the rc?
[18:16] <neversfelde> no
[18:17] <neversfelde> not that I know, because it works here. Install kubuntu-desktop
[18:19] <dajomu> Got one papercut (maybe it is one already existing) Ability to change shortcut on krunner. instead of alt+F2 I would prefer alt+space
[18:20] <harolddong> kubuntu-desktop is already installed.  since installing the rc kaddressbook is blank, there is no akonadi app in the menu and mailody says its not wotking correctly
[18:21] <maco> harolddong, is akonadi installed?
[18:21] <harolddong> all of the akonadi packages are installed except the debug one
[18:22] <harolddong> also in koete the metacontacts arent metacontacts anymore..I guess because they are connected to the addressbook
[18:22]  * maco moves her akonadi further away from harolddong
[18:23] <maco> dont touch!
[18:23] <harolddong> at first I th9ought that kaddressbook just got wiped out somehow which would have sucked but now I think its just that the akonadi install in tweaked somehow?
[18:24] <harolddong> where is the addressbook data actually saved?
[18:24] <ScottK> In akonadi
[18:24] <ScottK> Or rather it's mysql database
[18:24]  * ScottK notes KDE is now fully built on ia64.  Thanks to the overdue death of hppa that just leaves armel.
[18:25] <harolddong> where is the database?
[18:26] <harolddong> I'm going to try just backing up settings and deleting the .kde folder
[19:17] <davmor2> ScottK: rgreening: http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/Install   I've added usb install to the bottom.  Just click on the link and add the page :)  hope that helps
[19:18] <ScottK> davmor2: Cool.  Thanks.
[21:11] <vorian> is kalternatives going default?
[21:12] <vorian> or main, rather
[21:19] <_Groo_> hi/2 all
[21:21] <ScottK> vorian: I don't think it's been discussed.
[21:34] <Riddell> _Groo_!
[21:34] <ScottK> Riddell: Hey there.
[21:34] <Riddell> _Groo_: the Amarok people were comlaining about needing liblastfm so I finished it off
[21:34] <Nightrose> Riddell: is sebr or markey or leo anywhere near you?
[21:34]  * Nightrose hugs Riddell for packaging it
[21:34] <Riddell> Nightrose: not currently, they're probably applying liberal after-sun just now
[21:35] <Nightrose> haha
[21:35] <Riddell> _Groo_: although there's a new KDE release candidate should you be in a packaging mood
[21:35] <Nightrose> Riddell: if you don't mind tell seb or leo to ping me tomorrow please
[21:36] <Riddell> ScottK: sparc goodness is your doing?
[21:36] <Nightrose> need to talk about gsoc with them
[21:36] <_Groo_> Riddell: but didnt rc1 out yet in experimental?
[21:36] <Riddell> _Groo_: they just released RC 2
[21:36] <ScottK> Riddell: ia64 too.
[21:36] <Riddell> ScottK: super, congratulations
[21:36] <Riddell> hmm, I seem to have gained ops here too
[21:36] <_Groo_> Riddell: thanks for finishing it.. i didnt had the time the last weeks, im sorry :( my company just finished a contract for 250 000 users and im running to complete the architecture
[21:37] <_Groo_> Riddell: nice :)
[21:37] <_Groo_> Riddell: well im sucessfully running builds for amarok 2.2... smooth out the bugs
[21:37] <_Groo_> Riddell: packaging  bugs i mean
[21:37] <Riddell> _Groo_: good luck with that
[21:38] <_Groo_> Riddell: is kdebindings building yet?
[21:38] <_Groo_> Riddell: well amarok 2.2 svn is building and working just fine :)
[21:39] <Riddell> _Groo_: yes, except for pesky arm https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+source/kdebindings/4:4.2.95-0ubuntu1
[21:39] <_Groo_> Riddell: who cares about arm? ;) just kidding
[21:39] <ScottK> Riddell: NCommander has a proposal to infinity to fix armel.
[21:40] <_Groo_> ho btw ppl, bug radeon ppl! they break kwin3d with latest dri2/kms (which im testing, packaging and doing bug report) and they dont care enough!!! :D
[21:40] <Tm_T> _Groo_: I care, thus it's highly important to us all (;)
[21:40] <ScottK> The problem was that lzma compression was timing out on the buildds
[22:00] <Riddell> Monika|K: new KDE RC release if you're in a packaging mood :)
[22:02] <Monika|K> hm, no time for today and the next two days, got to read/correct a friend's magister thesis ... and I haven't packaged anything, yet
[22:04] <ScottK> nomodeset FTW.
[22:10] <Zorael> So it'll be a while before rc2 hits the kubuntu ppa?
[22:11] <vorian> Zorael: when it's ready
[22:11] <Riddell> they didn't give any advance notice to packagers
[22:14] <ScottK> If anyone sees Tonio around, please give hiim a smack for me.  He's late on his netbook default settings and not that I have one, it's really annoying me...
[22:17] <Riddell> claydoh: do you know this guy?  https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=199611
[22:20] <claydoh> Riddell: no, he looks to be from the KDE forums, his nick sounds familiar. odd bug report tho :)
[22:27] <claydoh> Riddell : I  haven't visited KDE's forums too much lately
[22:28] <Riddell> claydoh: I'm trying just asking him directly
[22:29] <claydoh> Riddell: ask him what?
[22:30] <ScottK> Install in the Dell mini 10v went swimmingly after I disabled KMS.  No wifi though.  I'll work on that later.  Suggestions welcome.
[22:30] <neversfelde> Monika|K: pbuider can run besides :)
[22:31] <Riddell> claydoh: to prove his credentials
[22:33] <claydoh> Riddell: ahh, should have seen that, my work is distractng me ;)
[22:34] <Monika|K> neversfelde if I had already packaged something before
[22:34] <neversfelde> Monika|K: I am sure you would not have a problem with this process :)
[23:15] <_Groo_> ppl could anyone confirm if brasero/k3b 2.0 is borken with latest policykit 0.9.2 and policykit-kde 0.9.2? it only allows to use the burner when using root
[23:22] <_Groo_> is anyone habing this problem?
[23:23]  * Riddell at GCDS and not able to test
[23:27] <hsitter> hum
[23:27] <hsitter> I need to make the rosetta templates list parser a library :D
[23:28] <hsitter> and I need to make it calculate an average age of template to get an appropriate removability