[00:01] <Sarvatt> are you using nvidia binary drivers afv?
[00:01] <afv> i'm using nvidia drivers, yes
[00:01] <afv> (binary?)
[00:02] <Sarvatt> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=469439
[00:03] <afv> Version: 185.18.14-0ubuntu1~andersk1
[00:03] <afv> thanks, i'll take a look
[00:03] <Sarvatt> what you said is the way to fix it until the fix is released, or disabling video acceleration in flash
[00:04] <afv> the problem is that ff crashes that way too (not in fullscreen)
[00:05] <BUGabundo> nol: webcam now works. woot http://identi.ca/notice/6215580
[00:08] <nol> perfect
[00:08] <nol> tomorrow I submit the patch to jfmoine
[00:09] <BUGabundo> ok
[00:09] <billybigrigger> nol, where was that link again?
[00:09] <pas> hello, I've upgraded to karmic with the simple "update-manager -d" , everything went fine, except on restart I've got neither splash (I know it's by design) nor kernel boot messages. any advice? am I alone with this? should I file a bug?
[00:09] <billybigrigger> to that gspca fix
[00:09] <majnoon> they have a wubi for karmic ??
[00:09] <Sarvatt> afv: right click on any flash video, go to settings and try disabling hardware acceleration
[00:10] <afv> yup, i'll try that
[00:10] <nol> @billybigrigger: http://linuxtv.org/hg/~jfrancois/gspca/archive/tip.tar.gz
[00:10] <arand> pas: could take a look at /boot/grub/menu.lst and see what that one says for your ubu boot
[00:11] <BUGabundo> pas: yeah both known
[00:11] <BUGabundo> nol: we don't use '@' on IRC eheh
[00:11] <billybigrigger> nol, is that a fair fix? or shouldn't i be waiting for it to be fixed in the kernel?
[00:11] <pas> I'm using grub4dos, but I'll copy-paste the boot line if you want
[00:12] <arand> pas: ah, nvm, think the "known issue" mentioned by BUGabundo is the ting.
[00:12] <billybigrigger> tgpraveen, ping
[00:13] <billybigrigger> tgpraveen, you were the one telling my about msn/gtalk video chat the other day weren't you?
[00:13] <pas> I had gone through the list of open bugs on launchpad for karmic, haven't found anything related..
[00:13] <pas> BUGabundo, could you give me the bug url?
[00:14] <BUGabundo> pas: don't have it on hand
[00:14] <BUGabundo> but the splash is a feature
[00:14] <BUGabundo> the other is from you using vga=XXX
[00:14] <BUGabundo> pas: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/391215
[00:14] <pas> ah, that could be. I'll check without that param. thanks
[00:18] <billybigrigger> nol, i get errors trying to make that package
[00:18] <billybigrigger> /home/billybigrigger/gspca-45dd40f72cb0/v4l/firedtv-1394.c:276: error: implicit declaration of function 'hpsb_unregister_highlevel
[00:18] <billybigrigger> a bunch of those
[00:18] <billybigrigger> all related to firedtv-1394.c
[00:19] <BUGabundo> yeah
[00:19] <BUGabundo> you need to change that line to n
[00:19] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: (10:54:29 PM) nol: in v4l/.myconfig, set something_FIREDTV to 'n'...
[00:21] <billybigrigger> CONFIG_DVB_FIREDTV                           := m
[00:21] <billybigrigger> that one? its the only instance of firedtv
[00:21] <billybigrigger> in .myconfig
[00:23] <nol> yes
[00:24] <nol> go to sleep
[00:24] <nol> bye
[00:24] <BUGabundo> eheh
[00:24] <BUGabundo> he means he is going to sleep
[00:24] <BUGabundo> not telling you :p
[00:26] <pas> thanks again. hopefully I won't come back, because everything worked great (or just got really really worse :])
[00:28] <Twigathy> Has anybody played with winepulse? http://art.ified.ca/?page_id=40 adds a pulseaudio backend to wine. Seems rubbish that atm wine is incompatible with pulse without hacking about. Seems a sub-optimal user experience to me!
[00:31] <BUGabundo> Twigathy: I haven't
[00:34] <skkuldugger> BUGabundo: Ho
[00:34] <skkuldugger> hi
[00:34] <BUGabundo> hwy
[00:35] <skkuldugger> Heard anything bout ubiquity crrashing due to the progress bar updating over the past few days?
[00:36] <skkuldugger> oh god you've been bitten by the I must bling my Dent page as well
[00:37] <skkuldugger> Nice pic though :) Identi.ca really rocks now
[00:37] <BUGabundo> heeh
[00:37] <BUGabundo> thanks
[00:41] <billybigrigger> BUGabundo, did you you compile that new gspca driver?
[00:42] <BUGabundo> yes
[00:43] <billybigrigger> and it worked after no problems?
[00:43] <BUGabundo> yep
[00:43] <BUGabundo> see the pic
[00:43] <billybigrigger> hmm
[00:43] <billybigrigger> ya i saw it
[00:43] <BUGabundo> I haven't done the full set of test
[00:43] <billybigrigger> i shouldn't have to reboot should i?
[00:43] <BUGabundo> tooooo tired
[00:43] <BUGabundo> nope
[00:43] <billybigrigger> didn't think so
[00:43] <billybigrigger> after make and make install i still get green screen in cheese
[00:44] <billybigrigger> am i missing something?
[00:44] <billybigrigger> im still getting the same errors
[00:46] <billybigrigger> :(
[00:46] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: yeah it needs a lot of love
[00:47] <BUGabundo> plus that sounds like the nvidia HUE bug
[00:47] <billybigrigger> im not affected by the hue bug anymore
[00:47] <billybigrigger> i reinstalled a2 the other day
[00:47] <billybigrigger> using restricted drivers from repos, im good to go
[00:49] <yofel> hm, here the HUE bug seems gone as well after reinstall. Didn't try totem since the bugtest
[00:50] <billybigrigger> im still getting the same errors with gspca
[00:50] <billybigrigger> obviously nol was wrong about my problem :P
[00:50] <billybigrigger> Jul  8 17:46:33 cabo kernel: [   58.545784] gspca: usb_submit_urb alt 8 err -28
[00:50] <billybigrigger> Jul  8 17:46:33 cabo kernel: [   58.570035] ohci_hcd 0000:00:02.0: leak ed ffff88003781f190 (#81) state 2
[00:50] <billybigrigger> same as before
[00:53] <BUGabundo> reisntal?!?
[00:54] <BUGabundo> this is a 18 months system
[00:54] <BUGabundo> I will not reinstall!!!
[00:55] <yofel> BUGabundo: tried to fix my broken dead keys probelm
[00:55] <BUGabundo> so?
[00:55] <yofel> turned out that purging ~/.gconf and ~/.gconfd helped more -.-
[01:06] <xnox> Hmmm.... Ok I'll try that. It's just .30 kernels worked really well for me.
[01:07] <billybigrigger> well .30 won't be in karmic :P might as well help test .31 if your using karmic no?
[01:08] <mttr> since the last update (yesterday) when at login screen display is now scrambled.. Tried restarting xorg but no luck.
[01:09] <mttr> I can't seem to get into the desktop
[01:10] <xnox> billybigrigger: nope I'm still on Jaunty =) But I have KDE 4.3RC, Xorg Edge PPA and Karmic's kernels. So I guess I'm "half-way there" in terms of testing Karmic. All because I'm one of the "lucky" intel graphics card users =( which had sub-optimal performance under stock jaunty.
[01:11] <billybigrigger> xnox, so why are you asking in ubuntu+1 then? #ubuntu+1 is for karmic related support
[01:12] <xnox> billybigrigger: Kernel Mode Setting is karmic / testing only
[01:13] <billybigrigger> ya, well this is a karmic support channel
[01:13] <xnox> which is definatly not Jaunty
[01:13] <billybigrigger> exactly
[01:13] <billybigrigger> you say intel gfx though?
[01:14] <mttr> So any idea's how to get the xorg working again ?
[01:14] <xnox> well it is perfect with Karmic's kernels and Xorg Edge PPA with UXA enabled
[01:14] <mttr> i'm wandering if testing in virtualbox could be my problem
[01:15] <yofel> xnox: just add i915.modeset=0 to the kernel boot line, should diable KMS
[01:15] <yofel> *disable
[01:16] <Sarvatt> xorg-edgers is broken right now if thats what you're referring to, i put a notice at the top of the page
[01:16] <xnox> yofel: aha! wiki said "nomodeset=0" instead of "i915.modeset=0"
[01:17] <mttr> thanks Sarvatt.. Missed that one.. will looked into that
[01:17] <xnox> Sarvatt: well i do xorg-edgers updates only once a week or so and haven't done one for a while because of KMS
[01:17] <billybigrigger> xnox, maybe you should add that to the wiki page then if it works
[01:17] <yofel> wasn't that just 'nomodeset' without =0 ?
[01:17] <yofel> I never tried nomodeset though
[01:17] <mttr> i had just done a get update and bang it broke..
[01:18] <mttr> it had 460 of updates..
[01:18] <Sarvatt> theres quite a big difference between using karmic and using edgers on jaunty, i really wouldnt recommend using jaunty if you want to mess with KMS
[01:18] <xnox> yofel: thanks for this note. I'll try both and see if I can boot without KMS on 30 kernel
[01:21] <xnox> Sarvatt: well I'm stopping messing with KMS cause it doesn't work for me (and is reported by others with similar syndromes) I will mess with Grub EFI a little more cause that seems to work ;-) and then I'll rest and will test iso or run karmic in VM
[01:22] <Sarvatt> it still works but theres alot of little things that cant handle KMS in jaunty outside of the xorg stuff, like pm-utils in jaunty not having the hooks to remove quirks in the KMS case
[01:22] <billybigrigger> Sarvatt, you think the webcam problems are caused from udev? or a bug in gspca?
[01:23] <Sarvatt> if you have xserver 1.6.2 you need an intel ddx update that hasnt built yet in xorg-edgers though
[01:24] <Sarvatt> actually it just did build for i386 so its safe now
[01:24] <Sarvatt> ati on the other hand...
[01:27] <xnox> thanks everyone! Gonna reboot now.
[01:47] <erichammond> Any ideas on what the bad side effects might be of pinning udev to version 142 in Karmic (so far)? (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-on-ec2/+bug/397187)
[01:49] <erichammond> just wondering if it's obvious I shouldn't waste my time trying it.
[01:53] <Sarvatt> i dont even use udev on my openvz server, only change i had to make in that case was to create /var/run/network in /etc/init.d/networking instead
[01:57] <DanaG> How do you not use udev?
[01:57] <DanaG> That doesn't make sense to me.
[01:57] <Sarvatt> sudo apt-get purge udev :D
[01:57] <DanaG> Then how do you handle devices?
[01:58] <Sarvatt> what devices?
[01:58] <Sarvatt> its a virtualized remote web server
[01:59] <DanaG> A virtual NIC?
[01:59] <DanaG> And such.
[01:59] <DanaG> Oh, wait, the driver makes that.
[02:00] <DanaG> Oh, and it's probably very fixed emulated-hardware.  Good point.
[02:00] <Sarvatt> theres no drivers, no direct kernel access, ifupdown handles it
[02:00] <Sarvatt> openvz sucks :D
[02:01] <DanaG> hmm... how does it send stuff over the network, then?
[02:02] <DanaG>     - Add preferences checkboxes for the disk spindown functionality
[02:02] <DanaG>       (Richard Hughes).
[02:03] <DanaG> spiffy.
[02:03] <erichammond> Sarvatt: Thanks for the tip.  Sounds like it might work for EC2 as well.
[02:03] <Sarvatt> http://wiki.openvz.org/Features
[02:03] <DanaG> Oh yeah, is the xinput2 repo supposed to do keycodes > 255?  It didn't do so for me.
[02:04] <Sarvatt> i've dropped it, they bumped the darn video ABI meaning no more fglrx or nvidia so i'm going back to 1.6 branch for the time being. no way that stuff is going to be ready for karmic
[02:05] <Sarvatt> its supposed to handle it fine from what i saw though
[02:05] <DanaG> Didn't work for me.
[02:05] <DanaG> Still got the "unable to handle keycode 465".
[02:05] <Sarvatt> hmmm
[02:06] <DanaG> I also have gone back to 2.6.30 and base xorg-edgers.
[02:07] <DanaG> It really irks me when kernel developers go removing symbols used by fglrx... the least they could do is warn AMD/ATI at least, say, 1 month ahead of when they plan to do so.
[02:07] <DanaG> Like, one time they removed an "unused" pci_num_buses symbol; now it's find_task_by_vpid
[02:12] <DanaG> iN fact, all it takes to bring the symbol back (that is, on top of the existing 2.6.30 kernel) is one EXPORT statement.
[02:15] <DanaG> Interesting... does amdcccle show FirePro logo for you?  It does for me.
[02:16] <DanaG> Oh, and 20-second boot times == awesome.
[02:18] <billybigrigger> 0:19 here :P
[02:41]  * Aranel I'm back =)
[02:42] <billybigrigger> hmm
[02:42] <billybigrigger> no webcam even in .30-8
[02:45] <billybigrigger> oh
[02:45] <billybigrigger> had gspca_sonixj blacklisted heh
[03:13] <billybigrigger> so am i ever going to see any kms stuff in karmic being an nvidia user
[03:13] <billybigrigger> ?
[03:33] <billybigrigger> whoopie :P
[03:33] <billybigrigger> sauerbraten-data (0.0.20090504-1) unstable; urgency=low
[03:33] <billybigrigger>  Accepted
[04:44] <billybigrigger> does this video open for anyone?
[04:44] <billybigrigger> http://www.thefrozencanuck.ca/burnout.avi
[04:54] <mase_work> billybigrigger: yeh works for me
[04:54] <mase_work> some dude doing a burn out in his truck
[05:00] <billybigrigger> firefox 3.6 crashes evertime i hit the link
[05:00] <billybigrigger> and its me burning off my budies tires :P
[05:00] <billybigrigger> i would never buy a ford haha
[05:01] <billybigrigger> mase_work, what version of firefox?
[05:02] <mase_work> 3.5 i think
[05:02] <billybigrigger> hmm
[05:02] <mase_work> whatever the latest stable is
[05:02] <billybigrigger> ahh
[05:02] <billybigrigger> not 3.6 :P
[05:02] <mase_work> no not 3.6
[05:03] <GatoLoko> the default in karmic is 3.0.11 yet
[05:03] <billybigrigger> yeah
[05:03] <billybigrigger> 3.5 is coming soon
[05:03] <billybigrigger> as default
[05:03] <billybigrigger> 3.6 startup times blow 3.0 out of the water
[05:04] <billybigrigger> startup on minefield feels like its being maximized
[05:04] <billybigrigger> pretty much instant
[05:06] <Zorael> Flash performance is halved in 3.5 and 3.6 compared to 3.0.* on this netbook though
[05:06] <billybigrigger> yup
[05:07] <billybigrigger> there's a workaround i believe
[05:07] <Zorael> do tell!
[05:07] <billybigrigger> oh geez
[05:07] <billybigrigger> lemme did it up
[05:07] <billybigrigger> !log
[05:07] <Zorael> :3
[05:08] <billybigrigger> bug 469439
[05:08] <billybigrigger> ewww
[05:09] <billybigrigger> Mozilla bug 469439
[05:09] <billybigrigger> anyway, what i was talking about was this
[05:09] <billybigrigger> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2009/07/09/%23ubuntu+1.html
[05:10] <billybigrigger> top of the page
[05:10] <billybigrigger> thats the middle of the conversation
[05:10] <billybigrigger> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2009/07/08/%23ubuntu+1.html
[05:10] <billybigrigger> at the very bottom of that one is the beginning
[05:10] <billybigrigger> i don't know if its your same bug
[05:11] <DanaG> handy thing with the new gdm: I have it set so that my volume control keys work there.
[05:11] <Zorael> I'll check it out, thanks
[05:11] <DanaG> I also tweaked the /etc/gdm/Init/Default file does 'nm-applet &'
[05:11] <DanaG> ... so NetworkManager fires up at the login screen.
[05:13] <billybigrigger> wired or wireless?
[05:13] <billybigrigger> my wired connection doesn't start upon login, maybe i'll try that
[05:15] <DanaG> oh yeah,  handy hint:
[05:16] <DanaG> go to connection editor, then go to properties for that connection, and set "available to all users".
[05:16] <DanaG> Oh hey, where's the NM 0.8 PPA?
[05:16] <billybigrigger> its greyed out in 0.8
[05:16] <DanaG> Maybe I'll stick with the normal Karmic one, then.  =þ
[05:17] <billybigrigger> you want the ppa or what?
[05:17] <billybigrigger> last time i gave it out publicly bugabundo took a crap on my head haha
[05:17] <billybigrigger> he wants his secrets
[05:17] <DanaG> eh, if it's as you say, and the 0.8 disables the "for all users" feature, then I don't want it.  =þ
[05:18] <DanaG> http://blogs.gnome.org/dcbw/2009/02/26/suspendresume-vs-networkmanager/
[05:21] <DanaG> HMM, is it just me, or does SCIM seem not to work in karmic?
[05:27] <billybigrigger> dunno
[05:35] <SeveredCross> Anyone notice that X from xorg-edgers is more unstable than a Jenga tower built by 3 year olds?
[05:38] <billybigrigger> lol yes
[05:38] <billybigrigger> nice analogy
[05:39] <billybigrigger> but yeah its know that its unstable
[05:39] <billybigrigger> if you read the ppa page it says not to use it
[05:39] <SeveredCross> I was going to use a different one, but then I remember that #ubuntu+1 tries to keep the language PG-13. ;)
[05:40] <billybigrigger> i don't use edgers so i don't know exactly how unstable but...
[05:47] <Sarvatt> its just ATI thats broken right now in edgers
[05:48] <Sarvatt> driver doesnt compile against xserver 1.6.2 yet and needs to be
[05:48] <SeveredCross> Nothing's broken per se, just unstable.
[05:48] <SeveredCross> I don't know if it's X or GDM.
[05:49] <SeveredCross> Or Metacity for that matter.
[05:49] <SeveredCross> Or Compiz even.
[05:49]  * SeveredCross sighs.
[05:49] <SeveredCross> So many layers.
[05:49]  * SeveredCross goes back to coding.
[06:05] <macvr> hi... i updated to the latest version from alpha2... now a lot of behavior has changed... is there no auto-login now?
[06:25] <billybigrigger> if a package has been built and is showing on launchpad
[06:25] <billybigrigger> how long before it hits repos?
[07:50] <Hilikus> how do i get this package
[07:50] <Hilikus> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+source/liblastfm/0.3.0-0ubuntu1
[07:50] <Hilikus> is it a custom repo or its in the normal one?
[08:28] <billybigrigger>  0.3.0-0ubuntu1
[08:28] <billybigrigger> PUBLISHED: Karmic pocket Release in component universe and section libs
[08:28] <billybigrigger> its in universe
[10:27] <pvandewyngaerde> no firefox 3.5 in karmic yet ?
[10:28] <afv> sudo apt-get install firefox-3.5
[10:28] <pvandewyngaerde> but its not default ?
[10:28] <afv> not yet
[10:28] <pvandewyngaerde> is that in the default repo's ?
[10:28] <Zorael^2> Is the decision to have snd-hda-intel cards use power saving an Ubuntu-specific design decision or an ALSA-wide one?
[10:28] <afv> it is
[10:28] <afv> for pvandewyngaerde
[10:33] <kklimonda> Zorael, alsa provides infrastructure but it's up to distribution developers if they are going to switch it on
[10:33] <kklimonda> Zorael^2, ^^
[10:36] <Zorael> kklimonda: makes sense, just wondering if it's a coordinated efforrt or just something that Ubuntu cooked up
[11:55] <eagles0513875> hey guys im having an issue with the version from git of lmms for some reason something on karmic is causing it to dump its core
[12:00] <Bauldrick> karound to get nvidia module to load in lates kernel(s)?
[12:00] <eagles0513875> mine load just fine
[12:01] <Bauldrick> glx-180?
[12:01] <eagles0513875> ya
[12:01] <eagles0513875> let me check
[12:02] <eagles0513875> ya it is
[12:04] <Bauldrick> ok must be me :) I've tried --reinstall but still doesn't work, any idea to get it working? I just get black screen with flashing "cursor" top left
[12:05] <eagles0513875> not sure but might be an x issue
[12:05] <eagles0513875> gtg for now bbl
[12:05] <Bauldrick> k
[12:56] <andresmh> I installed Karmic on a machine but I am not sure if it was alpha 1 or 2 :-/  How can I check?
[12:58] <pvandewyngaerde> what is in  /etc/issue ?
[13:02] <andresmh> pvandewyngaerde: Ubuntu karmic (development branch) \n \l
[13:02] <andresmh> that's the output of cat /etc/issue
[13:03] <Pici> The alpha milestones are just snapshots of the archives at a certain point in time, if you've updated since then you're running the most recent version of your release.
[13:05] <andresmh> i just installed the alpha and I want to know if I have the alpha1 I might as well download the newest ISO and reinstall
[13:06]  * Twigathy notes update-manager has decided to break :(
[13:06] <Twigathy> although closing and re-opening it worked.
[13:07] <mvo> Twigathy: in what way?
[13:07] <Twigathy> It hung on the little 'I'm busy' cursor
[13:07] <mvo> Twigathy: when installing updates?
[13:07] <mvo> Twigathy: anything in ~/.xsession-errors?
[13:07] <Twigathy> well, I told it to check for updates, it did so, it populated the list and then did nothing more :)
[13:07] <Twigathy> er, sec
[13:08] <Twigathy> nope, nothing in here
[13:08] <Twigathy> *there
[13:08] <Twigathy> weird
[13:08] <mvo> hm, I just tried to reporduce, but it seems to be ok for me
[13:09] <mvo> could you ping me when it happens again and give me the output of ps afx ?
[13:09] <Twigathy> yup, can do
[13:10] <Pici> andresmh: How did you install the Alpha?
[13:13]  * gnomefreak thinks new update-manager is evil
[13:14] <mvo> evil in what way?
[13:14] <gnomefreak> mvo starting automagicly
[13:15] <mvo> right, that is pretty controvercial
[13:16] <gnomefreak> mvo: yeah but i understand the idea behind it. it should be an opt-in feature not an opt-out IMHO
[13:16] <gnomefreak> there should be , in there
[13:17] <mvo> gnomefreak: please pass suggestion on this to the design team
[13:17] <gnomefreak> mvo: where do i find them a channel, a LP page?
[13:18] <andresmh> Pici: I downloaded the ISO and put it on a USB drive. The thing is, I don't remember if I downloaded Alpha1 or Alpha2. It was around the time Alpha2 but not sure exactly when.
[13:18] <gnomefreak> sorry im working on something atm, not really thinking yet today
[13:18] <gnomefreak> andresmh: you installed it already?
[13:19] <mvo> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/bugs/update-notifier-autolaunch <- that was the bugreport that had a lot of discussion on it,
[13:19] <gnomefreak> mvo: thanks
[13:21] <mvo> """Displaying first 80 comments.  View all 418 comments or add a comment. """ *cough*
[13:22] <gnomefreak> mvo: there is alot of comments on it
[13:22] <gnomefreak> i added my $.02
[13:23] <andresmh> gnomefreak: yes, it's installed already
[13:23] <andresmh> there must be something, perhaps a package version, that I can check to see if I have alpha1 or 2
[13:23] <andresmh> no?
[13:24] <gnomefreak> andresmh: update it and you have latest version i dont remember if A2 has been released yet.
[13:24] <gnomefreak> andresmh: i dont think they updated about>ubuntu yet, its normally updated late in cycle
[13:26] <andresmh> when running the update it tells me it wants to upgrade
[13:27] <gnomefreak> andresmh: than upgrade :)
[13:27] <andresmh> i guess that means I have Alpha1? I just feel that if this means I am upgrading to Alpha2 I might as well download the ISO
[13:27] <gnomefreak> although that has been dangerous in the past few weeks
[13:28] <andresmh> my connection at the moment is quite slow so I want to plan my downloads appropiatedly
[13:28] <gnomefreak> andresmh: not really you could have A2 just not fully up to date
[13:28] <andresmh> it's 142MB, that's going to take a while
[13:28] <gnomefreak> that could be just todays updates
[13:29] <gnomefreak> maybe yesterdays too
[13:29] <andresmh> it's a "partial upgrade"
[13:29] <andresmh> why is it dangerous? what could break?
[13:29] <gnomefreak> andresmh: some packages are held back than most likely
[13:29] <gnomefreak> andresmh: gdm problems was the main one. some people see problems while others dont
[13:29] <andresmh> i was just fed up with Intel graphics on Jaunty being so crappy
[13:30] <andresmh> that i decided to move to karmic
[13:30] <gnomefreak> so you upgrade to karmic?
[13:30] <gnomefreak> not really best reason or even a good idea
[13:30] <gnomefreak> safer to change hardware :)
[13:31]  * gnomefreak goes for smoke while i think on how to fix this
[13:37] <gnomefreak> people are not going to like my solution on the u-m issue
[13:39] <gnomefreak> ok solution submitted now i wait for the hate mail
[13:39] <macvr> gnomefreak: when i updated... i'v noticed that several things have changed.... FUSA is gone! no auto login! are these changes to stay or WIP?
[13:39] <gnomefreak> macvr: gdm bugs
[13:40] <macvr> phew!!!
[13:40] <gnomefreak> contray to popular belief gdm is still broken
[13:40] <macvr> gnomefreak: have these been reported?
[13:40] <gnomefreak> 2.27 *should* fix most breakage
[13:41] <macvr> k...
[13:41] <gnomefreak> macvr: these are known and have been for some time. pitti posts updates on the mailing list
[13:42] <gnomefreak> its either devel list or devel-discuss list dont remember
[13:43] <macvr> k...
[14:00] <Ian_> anyone else finding sound alot lower lately?
[14:00] <Ian_> i can't turn the volume up like i used to
[14:01] <Twigathy> try 'alsamixer -c 0' and see if the sound card volume whatsits are turned down
[14:01] <Ian_> everything is set to max
[14:01] <Ian_> except beep
[14:02] <Ian_> but i tried that and it doesn't make a diffrence
[14:02] <Ian_> ubuntu 9.10 on an asus eee 1000H
[14:02] <Ian_> 2 diffrent persons, same laptop, same problem
[14:03] <Ian_> checking if it's kernel related
[14:06] <Ian_> 30-10 same problem
[14:07] <Ian_> aha
[14:07] <Ian_> i was able to turn up my volume for <lineOut> in the older kernel
[14:08] <Ian_> which isn't visible in 31-2
[14:14] <nperry> Right time to test out karmic on my spare laptop.
[14:30] <Bmw1000c> Ian_ how is the performance in your 1000h?
[14:38] <Ian_> err
[14:38] <Ian_> overall good
[14:54] <BluesKaj> hey folks
[14:57] <stevepearce> ello BluesKaj
[14:58] <BluesKaj> hi stevepearce
[15:04] <yofel> hi folks
[15:05] <stevepearce> hi yofel
[15:05] <BluesKaj> hey yofel
[15:06]  * stevepearce is working on upgrading to karmic on metal :-)
[15:06] <stevepearce> backing up some stuff first
[15:07] <stevepearce> namely the contents of /var/cache/apt/archives
[15:10] <debfx> how do I unmark a bug as duplicate?
[15:15] <afv> how to kill firefox? :|
[15:15] <yofel> afv: terminal: killall [-s 9] firefox
[15:15] <yofel> s 9 if it really won't close any more
[15:16] <afv> i was doing "killall firefox-3.5 -9"
[15:16] <afv> but it won't die.. lol
[15:16] <yofel> ^^
[15:16] <afv> "killall -s 9 firefox-3.5" won't do it either
[15:16] <afv> even with sudo
[15:17] <Pici> Well, whats the processes's name?
[15:17] <melvin> WebDav don't seams to work on Karmic. cadaver runs but NetworkConnection says no webdav Folder.
[15:17] <afv> firefox-3.5 ?
[15:19] <BluesKaj> afv,ctrl+alt+escape , a skull will appear use it toclick on the X on FF
[15:19] <afv> there's no FF window
[15:19] <afv> lol
[15:19] <BluesKaj> is it in the panel?
[15:19] <afv> no
[15:20] <BluesKaj> !lol
[15:20] <afv> (i use awn btw, but ff is "closed")
[15:23] <afv> well... i think i'll do it the windows way
[15:23] <melvin> How can i see the ErrorMessage from Nautilus?
[15:57] <Ciss> Hello! how update from 9.04 to 9.10?
[15:58] <stevepearce> Ciss, jump into a terminal and type "sudo update-manager -d"
[15:58] <stevepearce> an option to upgrade to 9.10 will be shown
[15:58] <stevepearce> Ciss, backup first ;)
[15:59] <Ciss> oh :) i understand, thank you:)
[16:00] <Ciss> 9,10 more faster 9.04?
[16:01] <Pici> It crashes faster
[16:01] <Ciss> i know this:)
[16:05] <Pici> Ciss: Just making sure ;).  Boot times are a bit faster, I've seen people reporting about 20 seconds on average
[16:06] <Ciss> my friend also talking about 20-seconds booting on netbook
[16:06] <Ciss> this much faster Windows loading :)
[16:07] <carloslicea> for kubuntu karmic, it's here too, right?
[16:07] <bazhang> yep
[16:07] <carloslicea> ok, now that Wicd support has landed for Solid, shouldn't we be able to have wicd and NetworkManager plasmoid?
[16:08] <carloslicea> (currently if you install wicd it uninstalls NM and the aplet)
[16:08] <carloslicea> (and yes I do prefer Wicd, it works with some networks that NM doesn't =))
[16:09] <carloslicea> is there a way to stop apt-get being as smart and just let me do as I want ?
[16:10] <stevepearce> my upgrade went quite smoothly
[16:10] <stevepearce> except for an apport crash, for a which a bug has just been filled
[16:10] <yofel> carloslicea: use aptitude instead?
[16:11] <Ciss> 9.10 are so crazy and ubstable? or only in some specific situation?
[16:11] <carloslicea> yofel: i belive that the problem lies lower in the hierarchy, like they are marked as being uncompatible
[16:12] <yofel> carloslicea: well, if the packages conflict with each other then there's not much you can do
[16:13] <carloslicea> yofel: they don't only they shouldn't be running both at once
[16:13] <yofel> Ciss: really depends on your hardware and what you're using, one thing that everybody notices is the annoying transision from hal to devicekit
[16:14] <TheFuzzball> Where can I find a list of modules included in 9.10 server?
[16:15] <ikonia> kernel modules ?
[16:16] <carloslicea> yofel: in my opinion it's just trying to be too clever :/
[16:17] <yofel> carloslicea: what exactly is it trying to do?
[16:19] <Ciss> Can i resize my Ubuntu partion? I try to do this operation with Windows Acronis, but no result. Acronis tells me what i cant do any actions with this partion =( i have no any CD/DVD-rom, and this is problem, instead of this i can try to make some operations with console? but i need to un-amount my ubuntu ext3 partion and this is impossible
[16:21] <TheFuzzball> ikonia: yes
[16:21] <ikonia> TheFuzzball: look in the modules directory
[16:21] <carloslicea> yofel: it uninstalls Wicd if i tell it to install the plasmoid
[16:21] <ikonia> TheFuzzball: why do you want to know them all, just modprobe the one you want
[16:22] <carloslicea> yofel: because it pulls NM
[16:22] <TheFuzzball> ikonia: I need to know if it is there, but I suppose modprobe would just say it isn't there...
[16:22]  * TheFuzzball slaps his head
[16:22] <ikonia> correct
[16:25] <Ciss> Can i resize my Ubuntu partion? I try to do this operation with Windows Acronis, but no result =( (i have no cd/dvd rom's)
[16:26] <ikonia> Ciss: gparted can resize your partitions
[16:26] <Ciss> i can resize the main partion?)
[16:27] <Ciss> with ubuntu installed
[16:27] <ikonia> Ciss: if you aren't comfortable at this level I'd strongly advuse you not to use 9.10
[16:27] <ikonia> advise
[16:27] <Ciss> problem is what i have no dvd rom =(
[16:28] <ikonia> Ciss: that doesn't change what I said
[16:28] <Ciss> Ok, man :)
[16:29] <eagles0513875> ikonia: can i get your opinion on something
[16:29] <eagles0513875> if your not busy that is
[16:29] <ikonia> sure
[16:30] <eagles0513875> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-widget-network-manager/+bug/396180
[16:30] <eagles0513875> is there any other information that i could provide for the bug besides the syslog
[16:31] <eagles0513875> ikonia: i talked with someone upstream and they said there is no need to file the but upstream
[16:31] <ikonia> eagles0513875: well saying the word regressionblidnly isn't a good idea
[16:31] <ikonia> eagles0513875: I strongly advise you not to file anything "upstream"
[16:31] <eagles0513875> if you see the first person posted he advised me to do it but i didnt
[16:32] <eagles0513875> ikonia: thing is on jaunty the svn version of the widget that it comes with works for me no problems when connecting to my wpa connection
[16:32] <ikonia> no he didnt
[16:32] <ikonia> he didn't advise you to file anything
[16:32] <ikonia> he said "give me details" and "we" as in ubuntu can file it up stream
[16:32] <ikonia> eagles0513875: ok - so jaunty works, karmic doesn't why do you think that's regression ?
[16:33] <ikonia> eagles0513875: why could it not just be a bug
[16:33] <eagles0513875> ikonia: i tested with the gnome network manager and wicd and im able to connect fine so it rules out a driver issue
[16:34] <ikonia> eagles0513875: again - why do you think this is a "regression" issue
[16:34]  * eagles0513875 ponders on the idea of it being a bug
[16:34] <ikonia> eagles0513875: I think providing the syslog as you have done is enough at this time, just provide any information that the people fixing it as for is the best approach, you may want to include what network card you are using as it could be a driver api interaction
[16:35] <eagles0513875> ok will add that now
[16:35] <ikonia> doesn't hurt to mention the hardware it's failing to interact with
[16:35] <ikonia> maybe the kernel modules being used for the card too
[16:36] <eagles0513875> im using the b43-fwcutter and have been since feisty when they started offering it
[16:36] <ikonia> so mention that
[16:36] <ikonia> that could be useful to know,
[16:36] <eagles0513875> ok
[16:37] <ikonia> try to stop referencing it as a "regression" issue as you have no reason to think that, and nothing to back that up, it just adds un-needed confusion
[16:37] <ikonia> (in my opinio)
[16:37] <ikonia> opinion
[16:38] <eagles0513875> ok that was not intended
[16:39] <ikonia> thats fine, just offering my opinion
[16:39] <ikonia> if you feel strongly about it, leave it in
[16:41] <eagles0513875> ikonia: what would make it a regression
[16:42] <TheFuzzball> Okay, I'm a bit new to this, I have connected to my router through the terminal, the wifi card is working fine and I can ping the router and get a response but when I ping google I get an unknown host message
[16:42] <TheFuzzball> What haven't I done?
[16:42] <ikonia> eagles0513875: understanding/knowing that a component has been regressed
[16:42] <ikonia> TheFuzzball: check your dns
[16:43] <eagles0513875> ok
[16:43] <gaelfx> how does one put the .iso for Karmic UNR onto a usb for live booting?
[16:43] <TheFuzzball> ikonia: nevermind :D I forgot to run dhclient :D
[16:43] <eagles0513875> gaelfx:it cant be done till it has casper in it. i  tried to do it with alpha 1 but couldnt cuz casper was missing if i remember correctly
[16:44] <gaelfx> so I couldn't do it even with unetbootin?
[16:45] <eagles0513875> i dont remember gaelfx
[16:46] <gaelfx> hmm, well, I'll give it a try
[16:46] <BluesKaj> ikonia, it wouldn't hurt to make wicd the default :)
[16:47] <ikonia> BluesKaj: in what way ?
[16:47] <BluesKaj> replace that broken widget-network-manager
[16:49] <eagles0513875> i agree with BluesKaj at least until it moves its way outa playground
[16:51] <FFForever> anyone else have x crash 5-15 mins into the session once then its fine?
[16:51] <FFForever> (and always while typing...)
[16:52] <BluesKaj> ikonia, in my experience with new adopters of karmic ,a lot of ppl are having a problem with the widget-network-manager
[16:53] <ikonia> BluesKaj: don't doubt it for a second
[16:54] <BluesKaj> thank goodness for wicd :)
[16:55] <gaelfx> have any of you ran UNR yet?
[16:55] <eagles0513875> ikonia: i can back up BluesKaj on that one
[16:56] <ikonia> there is nothing to back up, I just said I don't doubt it
[16:56] <BluesKaj> FFForever, yeah, I've had crash while closing or opening browsers and kate mostly
[16:57] <FFForever> BluesKaj, it happens to me after i finish typing something and press enter (never before enter...)
[16:58] <BluesKaj> FFForever, in the konsole as well?
[16:58] <FFForever> BluesKaj, its normally when i am in a gtk app (like pidgin, firefox, etc) i am not in the konsole all 2 often
[17:00] <BluesKaj> hmmm, I thought it was a kde thing , interesting
[17:12] <BluesKaj> FFForever, does plasma recover on it's own ?
[17:12] <FFForever> BluesKaj, i am in gnome and the entire xorg crashes =(
[17:12] <BluesKaj> or is it X
[17:12] <FFForever> but my logs look fine =(
[17:12] <FFForever> X
[17:14] <BluesKaj> FFForever, you may want to look at your graphics driver , there's some overlap with some drivers that will work but not written for some cards
[17:15] <FFForever> BluesKaj, but it only happens once =\
[17:15] <FFForever> i am using nvidia gfx drivers, this only started to happen id say about a 2 weeks ago
[17:15] <BluesKaj> HAL chooses the driver the sort of works
[17:16] <FFForever> how can i find out what gfx driver is currently
[17:16] <BluesKaj> which nvidia card and which driver?
[17:16] <FFForever> loaded
[17:16] <FFForever> 00:12.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation C67 [GeForce 7150M / nForce 630M] (rev a2)
[17:16] <FFForever> and how do i find out witch driver its using?
[17:17] <BluesKaj> package manager
[17:17] <FFForever> i am using the nvidia 180
[17:17] <Ian_> FFForever: check gdm logs
[17:18] <BluesKaj> ok open properties on that driver to see which cards are supported
[17:18] <FFForever> Ian_, witch log?
[17:19] <Ian_> i dunno :p
[17:19] <Ian_> .xsession-errors can also have information
[17:19] <Ian_> /var/log/gdm/
[17:21] <BluesKaj> FFForever, the 180 is the correct driver alright , your card is listed
[17:21] <FFForever> BluesKaj, thanks i was looking in add/remove, synaptic and i didn't see the cards listed...
[17:21] <BluesKaj> that's whay I still use adept
[17:22] <FFForever> i normally use apt :)
[17:22] <BluesKaj> gives more info
[17:22] <BluesKaj> I use the aptitude mostly but for info adept seems to have the most
[17:30] <FFForever> .xsession-errors http://pastebin.com/f3c65a6bd and .xsession-errors.old http://pastebin.com/f6487ec35
[17:31] <FFForever> #
[17:31] <FFForever>  
[17:31] <FFForever> #
[17:31] <FFForever> (firefox:4216): Gdk-WARNING **: XID collision, trouble ahead
[17:31] <FFForever> gnome-session: Fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) on X server :0.0.
[17:31] <FFForever> sorry didn't see the #'s or i would have removed them before pasting..., those lines look troublesome....
[17:33] <FFForever> BluesKaj, is gdk/gnome/gdm broken?
[17:36] <BluesKaj> conflict with X version maybe
[17:37] <FFForever> BluesKaj, but why would it only crash once and when it brings the x back up its fine till i reboot?
[17:38] <BluesKaj> good question , resets with HAL ?
[17:39] <FFForever> don't know =\
[17:39] <FFForever> should i file a bug report?
[17:44] <BluesKaj> FFForever, i think X is resetting itself , not sure, but if it corrects itself then not to worrry ...this is alpha after all
[17:45] <FFForever> BluesKaj, true but it always happens while im in the middle of something :( gets troublesome after 2 weeks lol
[17:46] <BluesKaj> somebody here was talking about the Xwindow system being replaced by something else ...dunno what , maybe this is a symptom of the transition
[17:47] <FFForever> there is something better the X?
[17:47] <BluesKaj> dunno
[17:47] <FFForever> maybe aqua?
[17:47] <BluesKaj> it was late , don't recall
[17:48] <FFForever> BluesKaj, i know what u mean i am running on 3 hours of sleep ^_^
[17:53] <Bmw1000c> guys, hmm, i have an .iso file here but i cant burn it to a dvd
[17:54] <Bmw1000c> now it seems that my dvd drive doesnt want to open
[17:54] <Bmw1000c> lol
[17:55] <BluesKaj> what burning app ?
[17:55] <DanaG> wtf... ubiquity crashed.
[17:55] <Bmw1000c> uhh the gnome defautl one
[17:56] <Bmw1000c> brasero
[17:57] <Bmw1000c> Please insert a recordable CD or DVD.
[17:57] <Bmw1000c> There is no recordable disc inserted
[17:57] <Bmw1000c> well, it may be the disk, but i can't eject it
[17:58] <BluesKaj> do you have device notifier enabled
[17:58] <BluesKaj> ?
[17:59] <BluesKaj> does nautilus see the disk ?
[17:59] <Bmw1000c> yeah
[17:59] <Bmw1000c> Blank DVD-ROM disk
[17:59] <BluesKaj> right click on the disk , eject
[17:59] <Bmw1000c> i've tried that
[17:59] <Bmw1000c> nothing happes
[17:59] <Bmw1000c> happens*
[18:00] <Bmw1000c> sorry, i mean, i tried Unmount
[18:00] <DanaG> migration-assistant needs to mount a partition, but cannot do so because the following mount point could not be unmounted:  /dev/sda1
[18:00] <DanaG> Please close any applications using these mount points. Would you like migration-assistant to try to unmount these partitions again?
[18:00] <Bmw1000c> there is no such option "eject"
[18:00] <DanaG> [Go Back]  [Continue]
[18:00] <DanaG> Is it just me... or is that really horrible wording?
[18:01] <BluesKaj> open/close ?
[18:02] <Bmw1000c> are you talking to me?
[18:02] <DanaG> I'm talking to whoever may be listening.  =þ
[18:02] <Bmw1000c> i was talking to BluesKaj
[18:03] <Bmw1000c> :x
[18:03] <BluesKaj> i have 3 dvdrws that dolphin and device notifier can't recognize , but W7 does so i think there are  burner bugs/ probs in gnome and kde
[18:04] <gaelfx> well, UNR LiveUSB from .iso works with alpha 2 using unetbootin
[18:04] <gaelfx> in case anyone cares
[18:04] <BluesKaj> Bmw1000c, try logging iout and back in again
[18:04] <Bmw1000c> okay
[18:05] <gaelfx> but my wireless connection's strength is remarkably low considering my proximity to the router
[18:05] <BluesKaj> gaelfx, which wifi app ?
[18:05] <Bmw1000c> oh yes, the dvd is out!
[18:06] <Bmw1000c> i'm inserting another one
[18:06] <DanaG> wtf... I hit "go" ... and the installer just crashed.
[18:07] <Bmw1000c> same
[18:07] <Bmw1000c> there is no recordable..
[18:07] <Bmw1000c> and again, eject is gone
[18:08] <Bmw1000c> ok, bug: when a blank dvd is inserted, eject button dissapears
[18:08] <Bmw1000c> and there is not possible to burn it
[18:08] <Bmw1000c> can anyone confirm it?
[18:09] <Bmw1000c> brb
[18:09] <BluesKaj> do you have libdvdcss2 installed and ubuntu-restricted-extras ?
[18:11] <gnata> hi, looks like there is something really wrong with the current karmic
[18:11] <gnata> all the /dev perms are worng
[18:11] <DanaG> ugh, ubiquity keeps randomly disappearing.
[18:12] <gnomefreak> DrMrHorse: nautilus is crashing on it at least was yesterday
[18:12] <gnomefreak> oops
[18:12] <gnomefreak> DanaG: ^^^
[18:12] <Bmw1000c> Package libdvdcss2 is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[18:12] <gnata> is the current up to date karmic suppose to boot?
[18:13] <gnomefreak> gnata: yes
[18:13] <Bmw1000c> ubuntu-restricted-extras is already the newest version.
[18:13] <BluesKaj> !medibuntu | Bmw1000c
[18:14] <gnata> ok I have reinstall it (on a dedicated test machine). let's try a dist-upgrade. yesterday, I ended up with fully wrong perms on /dev
[18:14] <gnata> it was very close not even to boot
[18:15] <gnata> look like an udev transitions is on going or something like that no?
[18:16] <gnomefreak> gnata: _everything_ is going through transitions
[18:17] <BluesKaj> gnata, sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude safe-dist-upgrade
[18:17] <gnata> safe-dist-upgrade ?
[18:17] <BluesKaj> yeah
[18:17] <reto`> karmic is auto-mounting my windows partition... can someone tell me where this is done? I want to turn it off...
[18:18] <Bmw1000c> so, BluesKaj , i do have libdvdcss2 installed. same errors
[18:18] <gnata> man. /me has discover safe-dist-upgrade
[18:18] <Bmw1000c> brb
[18:18] <gnata> thanks
[18:18] <gnata> reto`: in the /etc/ftab or via some gonme/kde.
[18:18] <gnata> ?
[18:19] <billybigrigger> reto`, ya what gnata said, add the option noauto
[18:20] <BluesKaj> reto`, open gpated if you have it and rightclick on the ext/linux partion, choose flags , choose boot.
[18:20] <BluesKaj> gparted
[18:21] <BluesKaj> gnata, you can sudo aptitude install gparted
[18:21] <gnata> gaprted? why should I install garted? just to test ?
[18:21] <BluesKaj> sry wrong guy
[18:21] <reto`> gnata: what's safe-dist-upgrade?
[18:22] <gnata> reto`: man aptitude
[18:22] <gaelfx> gparted should be included by default, in the administration menu
[18:22] <eagles0513875> hey guys im having problems running lmms, the git version which is 0.9.x there seems to be a segmentation fault which causes the core to be dumped im not sure if its the lmms core or something else i know this when i type in lmms from shell any ideas as to how i can remedy the situation
[18:23] <reto`> BluesKaj: are you sure you know what I'm talking about? karmic is mounting my windows partition so I get an icon on the desktop... everything else ok
[18:23] <gnomefreak> reto`: its a known bug
[18:24] <BluesKaj> reto`, ok , consider yourself lucky ... nothing wrong with that :)
[18:24] <BluesKaj> gnata, sry again safe-dist-upgrade doesn't work anymore
[18:25] <gnata> sry?
[18:25] <BluesKaj> sorry
[18:25] <gnata> ? safe-upgrade does exist
[18:26] <BluesKaj> aptitude doesn't have super cow powers
[18:26] <BluesKaj> yeah safe-upgrade is good
[18:26] <gnata> and no esater eggs
[18:27] <BluesKaj> i switched to aptitude after apt got me into some dependency probs a while back
[18:27] <Pici> aptitude moo -v[v[v]] etc
[18:27] <gnata> Pici: eys :)
[18:27] <gnata> yes
[18:29] <gnata> 40apcakges upgraded
[18:30] <gnata> let's see the reesult.
[18:41] <reto`> there is not entry in fstab concerning the ntfs partition...
[18:41] <reto`> gnomefreak: you say it's a known bug... is there a solutionn?
[18:41] <yofel> reto`: devicekit related maybe?
[18:46] <gnomefreak> reto`: not that i have heard of yet
[18:50] <reto`> gnomefreak: do you have a link to the bug report? can't find it anywhere
[18:53] <BluesKaj> does the windows partition show up in nautilus or dolphin or whatever filemanager you use >
[18:53] <gnomefreak> reto`: no AFAIK it is gdm breakage
[18:53] <oldude67> ok logging out has quit but when i try to install stall something or check something via terminal i have to logout to get my desktop back? any help?
[18:53] <gnomefreak> all part of the major gdm breakage
[18:53] <gnomefreak> welcome to the land of alpha releases
[18:54] <oldude67> yeah what did i win.lmao
[18:54] <BluesKaj> wow, seems you gnome guys have your share of probs too. I thought mine were just due to the edgy nature of kde4.3
[18:56] <reto`> BluesKaj: it shows up on the desktop and in nautilus...
[18:57] <oldude67> oh great now apache is flaking out too..just a lovely day in the neighborhood..lmao
[18:58] <BluesKaj> reto`, can't you just dump the icon on the desktop ?
[19:01] <BluesKaj> dump=delete
[19:01] <gnomefreak> unmount it and it will go away
[19:01] <reto`> gnomefreak: yeah... that might work
[19:02] <gnomefreak> if i had to guess its due to the breakage in the gdm error pop-up you get about not saving your settings
[19:02] <gnomefreak> it does work but only that log in
[19:02] <gnomefreak> since it cant save your settings it doesnt know any better
[19:03] <BluesKaj> reto`, what does umount ntfs  say ?
[19:08] <reto`> gnomefreak: ah well... when will gdm get fixed?
[19:11] <BluesKaj> reto`, I have the ntfs volume showing up in dolphin and if I do a "umount ntfs" I get ; "ntfs is not mounted (according to mtab)"
[19:13] <BluesKaj> anyway reto` , thought I'd mention that , for what it's worth
[19:13] <gnomefreak> reto`: not sure im better it will all be better in the 2.27 release but again i dont know
[19:14] <gnomefreak> see bugs file bugs
[19:14] <BluesKaj> bah humbug , filebugs :)
[19:16] <reto`> BluesKaj: I can unmount it but it will be mounted the next time I reboot... as gnomefreak said... gdm is broken and can't save the settings (as fas as I have understood)
[19:17] <BluesKaj> right reto`, that's a bummer :P
[19:20] <reto`> ah well... karmic is not installed on my regular pc... so I will survive it... what annoys me a bit though is another strange bug... which doesn't follow a strict pattern... usually it happens in the terminal when I press the enter key for example to enter some text here: the screen flickers and I'm logged out...
[19:21] <gnomefreak> reto`: gdm bug
[19:21] <gnomefreak> ubuntu5 should have fixed that IIRC
[19:23]  * gnomefreak has other bugs im working on so gdm is not for me :)
[19:24] <reto`> gnomefreak: what are you working on?
[19:24] <gnomefreak> mozilla packages
[19:27] <BluesKaj> bbl..gonna try to rescue some dvdrws in windows ..toc unreadable
[19:28] <reto`> BluesKaj: k... cu
[19:30] <reto`> gnomefreak: where do you reckon I could participate coding a bit? I'm quite new to linux... so no much experience... I've done some assembler, c, c++
[19:30] <gnomefreak> reto`: ask in #ubuntu-motu they might be able to tell you more
[19:31]  * gnomefreak leaving once i finish  this script
[19:40] <Bmw1000c> Could not display "­ftp://***.asuscomm.com"
[19:40] <Bmw1000c> Nautilus cannot handle this kind of locations
[19:40] <Bmw1000c> :(
[19:52] <yofel> Bmw1000c: ftp:// works here in nautilus
[19:58] <Bmw1000c> when opening gnome-app-install, it freezes in "Loading Universal Access"
[19:59] <Bmw1000c> it seems that nothing is working here.. no dvd burning, no nautilus support for ftp
[20:00] <yofel> hm... if I want adobe flash plugin, what package am I supposed to install? adobe-flashplugin/flashplugin-installer/flashplugin-nonfree/... ?
[20:01] <Bmw1000c> flashplugin-nonfree
[20:01] <yofel> flashplugin-installer it seems
[20:01] <ghindo> I'm getting a segfault with Rhythmbox when I try to edit a Smart Playlist - can anybody else confirm this?
[20:05] <yofel> hm, flashplugin-nonfree seems to have gotten replaced by flashplugin-installer and was converted into a meta-package and I don't get the existance of adobe-flashplugin o.O
[20:08] <itswhatev> anybody know how to configure gdm if gdmsetup is no longer included w gdm?
[20:22] <itswhatev> nm http://cambuca.ldhs.cetuc.puc-rio.br/multiuser/yenya/gdm.conf
[20:34] <itswhatev> well.. editing /etc/gdm/custom.conf didn't do the trick
[20:47] <scott_ino> needs a download mirror... cant find one off the mirror list that wants to wrok
[20:49] <oldude67> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/karmic/alpha1
[21:13] <yofel> hm, karmic with 31-2 knows how to turn off the cpu fan of my thinkpad but not of my eeePC o.O
[21:14] <billybigrig> anthing in /proc/acpi/fan
[21:14] <billybigrig> ?
[21:15] <billybigrig> acpi enabled?
[21:15] <SwedeMike> is karmic going for 2.6.31 only now, or will there be rebuilds of the new stable releases of the 2.6.30 kernel?
[21:15] <billybigrig> .31 for now iirc
[21:17] <SwedeMike> oki, will have to wait a bit longer to start running it then, 2.6.31 is a bit too beta for me
[21:19] <yofel> billybigrig: cool, /proc/acpi/fan is empty...
[21:20] <yofel> well, it's empty on my thinkpad as well, but there the fan is controlled by thinkpad_acpi
[21:20] <billybigrig> i think you have acpi disabled then
[21:20] <billybigrig> you have noacpi in your kernel boot line?
[21:20] <yofel> billybigrig: how do I enable it?
[21:20] <yofel> billybigrig: no
[21:21] <billybigrig> hmm i dunno
[21:21] <billybigrig> i have a desktop, and all my fans have a 3 ways switch on them to tell you the truth, i know my cpu fan spins....so i call it good haha
[21:23] <yofel> billybigrig: sensors-applet does tell me the speed, but the fan never get's turned off :/
[21:24] <billybigrig> check /etc/default/acpi-support ?
[21:27] <yofel> doesn't tell me anything about my fan
[21:29] <billybigrig> hmm
[21:29] <billybigrig> i just seen that
[21:29] <billybigrig> what kind of laptop?
[21:29] <billybigrig> thinkpad?
[21:29] <yofel> eeePC
[21:30] <yofel> my thinkpad works
[21:30] <billybigrig> oh
[21:30] <yofel> it worked in jaunty, I just didn't notice when it stopped working
[21:30] <billybigrig> try /proc/eee/fan_speed
[21:30] <billybigrig> cat or tail
[21:31] <yofel> /proc/eee doesn't exist
[21:34] <BluesKaj> amarok is totally crashing everytime I try to connect to a stream..have some favs ina playlist for local news etc and ...compalined about it in #amarok but all i got was have patience ... anyone suggest a simple palyer where Ican list some netradio URLs that will work ?
[21:34] <billybigrig> does banshee support netradio?
[21:35] <billybigrig> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/318482
[21:36] <billybigrig> That script is not going to work on a stock kernel as /proc/eee simply won't exist (that's a Xandros kernel invention). The 2.6.28 kernel I have here does fan control through /sys/class/hwmon/hwmon1/ controls. Does the Ubuntu EeePC Kernel still use the eee module?
[21:37] <DanaG> eeepc-laptop
[21:37] <DanaG> !find eeepc-laptop
[21:38] <yofel> the eeepc-laptop modules is loaded, I checked that already
[22:14] <dupondje> gvfs broken ? :s
[22:18] <oldude67> ok now my dvd burner and cd burner both wont work...ugh...just great
[22:19] <oldude67> mount: can't find /dev/cdrom in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[22:19] <dupondje> lol @ brasero, it doesnt even find my dvd writer
[22:19] <dupondje> good shit :p
[22:19] <oldude67> gotta love it..lmao
[22:21] <dupondje> GnomeBurner finds the devices, but can't even erase a dvd-rw
[22:22] <dupondje> come on
[22:22] <robin0800> gdm just been updated but has not fixed the errant window after log on why?
[22:25] <dupondje> good thing there is still Nero Linux
[22:25] <dupondje> else I couldn't even burn cd's ....
[22:29] <dupondje> upstart broken
[22:29] <dupondje> gvfs broken
[22:29] <dupondje> cd burning broken
[22:29] <dupondje> damn :(
[22:30] <oldude67> i now feel that i have a special K system, it rides the short bus..lmfao
[22:40] <dupondje> hmz
[22:40] <dupondje> wodim: Operation not permitted. Warning: Cannot raise RLIMIT_MEMLOCK limits.wodim: Cannot do inquiry for CD/DVD-Recorder.
[22:45] <dupondje> somebody would know
[22:45] <dupondje> wodim: Operation not permitted. Warning: Cannot raise RLIMIT_MEMLOCK limits.wodim: Cannot do inquiry for CD/DVD-Recorder. <- how to solve this ?
[22:45] <dupondje> wodim needs more permissions
[22:49] <Ian_> not permitted is not always the same as permission denied
[22:49] <dupondje> running wodim as sudo works
[22:50] <BUGabundo> lets try this again:
[22:50] <BUGabundo> ola ppl
[22:50] <BUGabundo> hey guys
[22:50] <BUGabundo> humm who was the GnomeDo dev that used to be here?
[22:51] <robin0800> BUGabundo, gdm just been updated but has not fixed the errant window after log on why?
[22:51] <BUGabundo> never had that troubel
[22:51] <BUGabundo> let me check for updates
[22:52] <dupondje> come on :( I want to burn cd's and all apps are broken :(
[22:52] <Ian_> i have the same problem robin0800
[22:52] <robin0800> BUGabundo, never mind ##gnome have just confirmed they have not fixed it
[22:52] <Ian_> dupondje: you're on the development version lol
[22:53] <dupondje> true but still :)
[22:53] <dupondje> it can be fixed :P
[22:57] <BUGabundo> darn touchpad
[22:57] <BUGabundo> will not work after resume
[22:57] <BUGabundo> let me nad Leann
[23:02] <BUGabundo> have you reports of exesive CPU usage? mine is almost always at 2.4GHz (tha max, being 1.2 the min)
[23:02] <BUGabundo> both on Conservative and OnDemand
[23:02] <BUGabundo> atop only lists xorg using 20% cpu
[23:02] <Ian_> BUGabundo: i have the same problem 'ouchpad)
[23:03] <BUGabundo> Ian_: reporting it now
[23:03] <Ian_> kk
[23:03] <Ian_> give me the link
[23:03] <Ian_> i think a friend could have already reported
[23:03] <Ian_> sec
[23:03] <BUGabundo> darn screen. keeps flashing, going to black and coming back 2 sec latter :(
[23:03] <Ian_> yep
[23:03] <Ian_> same
[23:04] <Ian_> but only very rarely
[23:04] <Ian_> ok he didn't report yet
[23:07] <BUGabundo> Ian_: how rare? I get it once per hour
[23:07] <dupondje> how can I reload security limits without relogin ?
[23:08] <Ian_> BUGabundo: 1 / reboot max
[23:08] <Ian_> i have it on my desktop too
[23:09] <Ian_> and the --no-floppy is annoying
[23:14] <dupondje> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cdrkit/+bug/149076
[23:14] <dupondje> lol
[23:14] <dupondje> this bug seems to exist 2 years ...
[23:14] <BUGabundo> Bmw1000c: ping you also have this bug ?
[23:14] <Bmw1000c> uh
[23:14] <Bmw1000c> no man
[23:15] <Bmw1000c> python is using 40%
[23:15] <BUGabundo> Ian_: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/397627
[23:16] <dupondje> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cdrkit/+bug/226650
[23:16] <dupondje> rofl
[23:16] <dupondje> 1 years + open
[23:16] <dupondje> High priority
[23:16] <dupondje> and not fixed :(
[23:25] <dupondje> Warning: Cannot gain SYS_RAWIO capability: Operation not permitted
[23:25] <dupondje> Possible reason: wodim not installed SUID root.
[23:25] <BUGabundo> eheh
[23:26] <BUGabundo> udev or pakagkit bug!
[23:26] <BUGabundo> like asking for pass for mounting an usb device :(
[23:32] <dupondje> BUGabundo: u have Brasero ?
[23:33] <BUGabundo> I guess
[23:34] <dupondje> it finds devices for you ?
[23:34] <BUGabundo> $ apt-cache policy brasero  Installed: 2.27.3-0ubuntu1
[23:34] <BUGabundo> don't knowmy cdrom never works after hibernate
[23:34] <BUGabundo> let me see
[23:38] <Bauldrick> has anyone an idea as to why nvidia module doesn't load for me on latest kernels (31-1 31-2)?
[23:39] <yofel> Bauldrick: where did you get the driver from?
[23:39] <Bauldrick> yofel: it's glx-180, apt-get
[23:41] <yofel> Bauldrick: does the dkms build fail or doesn't it get loaded? Correctly set in xorg.conf?
[23:41] <dupondje> and BUGabundo  ?
[23:41] <BUGabundo> dupondje: me?
[23:42] <dupondje> brasero finds devices for you ?
[23:42] <BUGabundo> my cdrom never works after hibernate
[23:42] <Bauldrick> yofel: it appears not to load (so revovery mode tells me) everything works in kernel *30 and if I remove xorg.conf in *31 it'll boot (but obviously rubbish res)
[23:43] <dupondje> need somebody to test brasero
[23:43] <dupondje> here it doesn't find a device
[23:43] <dupondje> so its useless
[23:44] <yofel> Bauldrick: what does /var/log/Xorg.0.log[.old] say after a failed attempt?
[23:45] <BUGabundo> dupondje: I'll reboot shortly
[23:47] <Bauldrick> yofel: basically that it failed to load it
[23:47] <yofel> :/
[23:49] <yofel> no idea then. You could try to reinstall it and report a bug if it still fails after that
[23:49] <Bauldrick> yofel: http://pastebin.com/m22265d25   I tried --reinstall when in 31, would that have rebuilt it?
[23:50] <yofel> Bauldrick: anything in dmesg?
[23:53] <billybigrig> yofel: you figure out your fan problem?
[23:53] <yofel> billybigrig: nope
[23:54] <billybigrig> hmm
[23:55] <billybigrig> sorry, i dont have an eee
[23:56] <Bauldrick> yofel: not that I can see.
[23:56] <yofel> billybigrig: np, thanks for the time
[23:58] <yofel> Bauldrick: does 'sudo modprobe nvidia' give you something?