[00:01] are you using nvidia binary drivers afv? [00:01] i'm using nvidia drivers, yes [00:01] (binary?) === akgraner_ is now known as akgraner [00:02] https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=469439 [00:02] Mozilla bug 469439 in Plug-ins "Crash when enabling fullscreen flash video [@ @0x110430 ]" [Critical,Assigned] [00:03] Version: 185.18.14-0ubuntu1~andersk1 [00:03] thanks, i'll take a look [00:03] what you said is the way to fix it until the fix is released, or disabling video acceleration in flash [00:04] the problem is that ff crashes that way too (not in fullscreen) [00:05] nol: webcam now works. woot http://identi.ca/notice/6215580 [00:08] perfect [00:08] tomorrow I submit the patch to jfmoine [00:09] ok [00:09] nol, where was that link again? [00:09] hello, I've upgraded to karmic with the simple "update-manager -d" , everything went fine, except on restart I've got neither splash (I know it's by design) nor kernel boot messages. any advice? am I alone with this? should I file a bug? [00:09] to that gspca fix [00:09] they have a wubi for karmic ?? [00:09] afv: right click on any flash video, go to settings and try disabling hardware acceleration [00:10] yup, i'll try that [00:10] @billybigrigger: http://linuxtv.org/hg/~jfrancois/gspca/archive/tip.tar.gz [00:10] pas: could take a look at /boot/grub/menu.lst and see what that one says for your ubu boot [00:11] pas: yeah both known [00:11] nol: we don't use '@' on IRC eheh [00:11] nol, is that a fair fix? or shouldn't i be waiting for it to be fixed in the kernel? [00:11] I'm using grub4dos, but I'll copy-paste the boot line if you want [00:12] pas: ah, nvm, think the "known issue" mentioned by BUGabundo is the ting. [00:12] tgpraveen, ping [00:13] tgpraveen, you were the one telling my about msn/gtalk video chat the other day weren't you? [00:13] I had gone through the list of open bugs on launchpad for karmic, haven't found anything related.. [00:13] BUGabundo, could you give me the bug url? [00:14] pas: don't have it on hand [00:14] but the splash is a feature [00:14] the other is from you using vga=XXX [00:14] pas: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/391215 [00:14] Ubuntu bug 391215 in nvidia-graphics-drivers-180 "vga=791 kernel line option does not work" [Undecided,Confirmed] [00:14] ah, that could be. I'll check without that param. thanks [00:18] nol, i get errors trying to make that package [00:18] /home/billybigrigger/gspca-45dd40f72cb0/v4l/firedtv-1394.c:276: error: implicit declaration of function 'hpsb_unregister_highlevel [00:18] a bunch of those [00:18] all related to firedtv-1394.c [00:19] yeah [00:19] you need to change that line to n [00:19] billybigrigger: (10:54:29 PM) nol: in v4l/.myconfig, set something_FIREDTV to 'n'... [00:21] CONFIG_DVB_FIREDTV := m [00:21] that one? its the only instance of firedtv [00:21] in .myconfig [00:23] yes [00:24] go to sleep [00:24] bye [00:24] eheh [00:24] he means he is going to sleep [00:24] not telling you :p [00:26] thanks again. hopefully I won't come back, because everything worked great (or just got really really worse :]) [00:28] Has anybody played with winepulse? http://art.ified.ca/?page_id=40 adds a pulseaudio backend to wine. Seems rubbish that atm wine is incompatible with pulse without hacking about. Seems a sub-optimal user experience to me! [00:31] Twigathy: I haven't [00:34] BUGabundo: Ho [00:34] hi [00:34] hwy [00:35] Heard anything bout ubiquity crrashing due to the progress bar updating over the past few days? [00:36] oh god you've been bitten by the I must bling my Dent page as well [00:37] Nice pic though :) Identi.ca really rocks now [00:37] heeh [00:37] thanks [00:41] BUGabundo, did you you compile that new gspca driver? [00:42] yes [00:43] and it worked after no problems? [00:43] yep [00:43] see the pic [00:43] hmm [00:43] ya i saw it [00:43] I haven't done the full set of test [00:43] i shouldn't have to reboot should i? [00:43] tooooo tired [00:43] nope [00:43] didn't think so [00:43] after make and make install i still get green screen in cheese [00:44] am i missing something? [00:44] im still getting the same errors [00:46] :( [00:46] billybigrigger: yeah it needs a lot of love [00:47] plus that sounds like the nvidia HUE bug [00:47] im not affected by the hue bug anymore [00:47] i reinstalled a2 the other day [00:47] using restricted drivers from repos, im good to go [00:49] hm, here the HUE bug seems gone as well after reinstall. Didn't try totem since the bugtest [00:50] im still getting the same errors with gspca [00:50] obviously nol was wrong about my problem :P [00:50] Jul 8 17:46:33 cabo kernel: [ 58.545784] gspca: usb_submit_urb alt 8 err -28 [00:50] Jul 8 17:46:33 cabo kernel: [ 58.570035] ohci_hcd 0000:00:02.0: leak ed ffff88003781f190 (#81) state 2 [00:50] same as before [00:53] reisntal?!? [00:54] this is a 18 months system [00:54] I will not reinstall!!! [00:55] BUGabundo: tried to fix my broken dead keys probelm [00:55] so? [00:55] turned out that purging ~/.gconf and ~/.gconfd helped more -.- [01:06] Hmmm.... Ok I'll try that. It's just .30 kernels worked really well for me. [01:07] well .30 won't be in karmic :P might as well help test .31 if your using karmic no? [01:08] since the last update (yesterday) when at login screen display is now scrambled.. Tried restarting xorg but no luck. [01:09] I can't seem to get into the desktop [01:10] billybigrigger: nope I'm still on Jaunty =) But I have KDE 4.3RC, Xorg Edge PPA and Karmic's kernels. So I guess I'm "half-way there" in terms of testing Karmic. All because I'm one of the "lucky" intel graphics card users =( which had sub-optimal performance under stock jaunty. [01:11] xnox, so why are you asking in ubuntu+1 then? #ubuntu+1 is for karmic related support [01:12] billybigrigger: Kernel Mode Setting is karmic / testing only [01:13] ya, well this is a karmic support channel [01:13] which is definatly not Jaunty [01:13] exactly [01:13] you say intel gfx though? [01:14] So any idea's how to get the xorg working again ? [01:14] well it is perfect with Karmic's kernels and Xorg Edge PPA with UXA enabled [01:14] i'm wandering if testing in virtualbox could be my problem [01:15] xnox: just add i915.modeset=0 to the kernel boot line, should diable KMS [01:15] *disable [01:16] xorg-edgers is broken right now if thats what you're referring to, i put a notice at the top of the page [01:16] yofel: aha! wiki said "nomodeset=0" instead of "i915.modeset=0" [01:17] thanks Sarvatt.. Missed that one.. will looked into that [01:17] Sarvatt: well i do xorg-edgers updates only once a week or so and haven't done one for a while because of KMS [01:17] xnox, maybe you should add that to the wiki page then if it works [01:17] wasn't that just 'nomodeset' without =0 ? [01:17] I never tried nomodeset though [01:17] i had just done a get update and bang it broke.. [01:18] it had 460 of updates.. [01:18] theres quite a big difference between using karmic and using edgers on jaunty, i really wouldnt recommend using jaunty if you want to mess with KMS [01:18] yofel: thanks for this note. I'll try both and see if I can boot without KMS on 30 kernel [01:21] Sarvatt: well I'm stopping messing with KMS cause it doesn't work for me (and is reported by others with similar syndromes) I will mess with Grub EFI a little more cause that seems to work ;-) and then I'll rest and will test iso or run karmic in VM [01:22] it still works but theres alot of little things that cant handle KMS in jaunty outside of the xorg stuff, like pm-utils in jaunty not having the hooks to remove quirks in the KMS case [01:22] Sarvatt, you think the webcam problems are caused from udev? or a bug in gspca? [01:23] if you have xserver 1.6.2 you need an intel ddx update that hasnt built yet in xorg-edgers though [01:24] actually it just did build for i386 so its safe now [01:24] ati on the other hand... [01:27] thanks everyone! Gonna reboot now. [01:47] Any ideas on what the bad side effects might be of pinning udev to version 142 in Karmic (so far)? (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-on-ec2/+bug/397187) [01:47] Ubuntu bug 397187 in ubuntu-on-ec2 "[karmic] udev requires new kernel, breaks on EC2" [Undecided,Confirmed] [01:49] just wondering if it's obvious I shouldn't waste my time trying it. [01:53] i dont even use udev on my openvz server, only change i had to make in that case was to create /var/run/network in /etc/init.d/networking instead [01:57] How do you not use udev? [01:57] That doesn't make sense to me. [01:57] sudo apt-get purge udev :D [01:57] Then how do you handle devices? [01:58] what devices? [01:58] its a virtualized remote web server [01:59] A virtual NIC? [01:59] And such. [01:59] Oh, wait, the driver makes that. [02:00] Oh, and it's probably very fixed emulated-hardware. Good point. [02:00] theres no drivers, no direct kernel access, ifupdown handles it [02:00] openvz sucks :D [02:01] hmm... how does it send stuff over the network, then? [02:02] - Add preferences checkboxes for the disk spindown functionality [02:02] (Richard Hughes). [02:03] spiffy. [02:03] Sarvatt: Thanks for the tip. Sounds like it might work for EC2 as well. [02:03] http://wiki.openvz.org/Features [02:03] Oh yeah, is the xinput2 repo supposed to do keycodes > 255? It didn't do so for me. [02:04] i've dropped it, they bumped the darn video ABI meaning no more fglrx or nvidia so i'm going back to 1.6 branch for the time being. no way that stuff is going to be ready for karmic [02:05] its supposed to handle it fine from what i saw though [02:05] Didn't work for me. [02:05] Still got the "unable to handle keycode 465". [02:05] hmmm [02:06] I also have gone back to 2.6.30 and base xorg-edgers. [02:07] It really irks me when kernel developers go removing symbols used by fglrx... the least they could do is warn AMD/ATI at least, say, 1 month ahead of when they plan to do so. [02:07] Like, one time they removed an "unused" pci_num_buses symbol; now it's find_task_by_vpid [02:12] iN fact, all it takes to bring the symbol back (that is, on top of the existing 2.6.30 kernel) is one EXPORT statement. [02:15] Interesting... does amdcccle show FirePro logo for you? It does for me. [02:16] Oh, and 20-second boot times == awesome. [02:18] 0:19 here :P [02:41] * Aranel I'm back =) [02:42] hmm [02:42] no webcam even in .30-8 [02:45] oh [02:45] had gspca_sonixj blacklisted heh [03:13] so am i ever going to see any kms stuff in karmic being an nvidia user [03:13] ? [03:33] whoopie :P [03:33] sauerbraten-data (0.0.20090504-1) unstable; urgency=low [03:33] Accepted [04:44] does this video open for anyone? [04:44] http://www.thefrozencanuck.ca/burnout.avi [04:54] billybigrigger: yeh works for me [04:54] some dude doing a burn out in his truck [05:00] firefox 3.6 crashes evertime i hit the link [05:00] and its me burning off my budies tires :P [05:00] i would never buy a ford haha [05:01] mase_work, what version of firefox? [05:02] 3.5 i think [05:02] hmm [05:02] whatever the latest stable is [05:02] ahh [05:02] not 3.6 :P [05:02] no not 3.6 [05:03] the default in karmic is 3.0.11 yet [05:03] yeah [05:03] 3.5 is coming soon [05:03] as default [05:03] 3.6 startup times blow 3.0 out of the water [05:04] startup on minefield feels like its being maximized [05:04] pretty much instant [05:06] Flash performance is halved in 3.5 and 3.6 compared to 3.0.* on this netbook though [05:06] yup [05:07] there's a workaround i believe [05:07] do tell! [05:07] oh geez [05:07] lemme did it up [05:07] !log [05:07] Official channel logs can be found at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ - For LoCo channels, http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/freenode/ [05:07] :3 [05:08] bug 469439 [05:08] Error: Launchpad bug 469439 could not be found [05:08] ewww [05:09] Mozilla bug 469439 [05:09] Mozilla bug 469439 in Plug-ins "Crash when enabling fullscreen flash video [@ @0x110430 ]" [Critical,Assigned] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=469439 [05:09] anyway, what i was talking about was this [05:09] http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2009/07/09/%23ubuntu+1.html [05:10] top of the page [05:10] thats the middle of the conversation [05:10] http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2009/07/08/%23ubuntu+1.html [05:10] at the very bottom of that one is the beginning [05:10] i don't know if its your same bug [05:11] handy thing with the new gdm: I have it set so that my volume control keys work there. [05:11] I'll check it out, thanks [05:11] I also tweaked the /etc/gdm/Init/Default file does 'nm-applet &' [05:11] ... so NetworkManager fires up at the login screen. [05:13] wired or wireless? [05:13] my wired connection doesn't start upon login, maybe i'll try that [05:15] oh yeah, handy hint: [05:16] go to connection editor, then go to properties for that connection, and set "available to all users". [05:16] Oh hey, where's the NM 0.8 PPA? [05:16] its greyed out in 0.8 [05:16] Maybe I'll stick with the normal Karmic one, then. =þ [05:17] you want the ppa or what? [05:17] last time i gave it out publicly bugabundo took a crap on my head haha [05:17] he wants his secrets [05:17] eh, if it's as you say, and the 0.8 disables the "for all users" feature, then I don't want it. =þ [05:18] http://blogs.gnome.org/dcbw/2009/02/26/suspendresume-vs-networkmanager/ [05:21] HMM, is it just me, or does SCIM seem not to work in karmic? [05:27] dunno [05:35] Anyone notice that X from xorg-edgers is more unstable than a Jenga tower built by 3 year olds? [05:38] lol yes [05:38] nice analogy [05:39] but yeah its know that its unstable [05:39] if you read the ppa page it says not to use it [05:39] I was going to use a different one, but then I remember that #ubuntu+1 tries to keep the language PG-13. ;) [05:40] i don't use edgers so i don't know exactly how unstable but... === MobileMyles6o7 is now known as TwoToneSpirit [05:47] its just ATI thats broken right now in edgers [05:48] driver doesnt compile against xserver 1.6.2 yet and needs to be [05:48] Nothing's broken per se, just unstable. [05:48] I don't know if it's X or GDM. [05:49] Or Metacity for that matter. [05:49] Or Compiz even. [05:49] * SeveredCross sighs. [05:49] So many layers. [05:49] * SeveredCross goes back to coding. [06:05] hi... i updated to the latest version from alpha2... now a lot of behavior has changed... is there no auto-login now? [06:25] if a package has been built and is showing on launchpad [06:25] how long before it hits repos? [07:50] how do i get this package [07:50] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+source/liblastfm/0.3.0-0ubuntu1 [07:50] is it a custom repo or its in the normal one? [08:28] 0.3.0-0ubuntu1 [08:28] PUBLISHED: Karmic pocket Release in component universe and section libs [08:28] its in universe [10:27] no firefox 3.5 in karmic yet ? [10:28] sudo apt-get install firefox-3.5 [10:28] but its not default ? [10:28] not yet [10:28] is that in the default repo's ? [10:28] Is the decision to have snd-hda-intel cards use power saving an Ubuntu-specific design decision or an ALSA-wide one? [10:28] it is [10:28] for pvandewyngaerde [10:33] Zorael, alsa provides infrastructure but it's up to distribution developers if they are going to switch it on [10:33] Zorael^2, ^^ [10:36] kklimonda: makes sense, just wondering if it's a coordinated efforrt or just something that Ubuntu cooked up === clive is now known as Guest69076 === Wajih is now known as MaWaLe [11:55] hey guys im having an issue with the version from git of lmms for some reason something on karmic is causing it to dump its core [12:00] karound to get nvidia module to load in lates kernel(s)? [12:00] mine load just fine [12:01] glx-180? [12:01] ya [12:01] let me check [12:02] ya it is [12:04] ok must be me :) I've tried --reinstall but still doesn't work, any idea to get it working? I just get black screen with flashing "cursor" top left [12:05] not sure but might be an x issue [12:05] gtg for now bbl [12:05] k === ScriptRipper_ is now known as ScriptRipper === nperry is now known as h4wk === h4wk is now known as nperry` === nperry` is now known as nperry [12:56] I installed Karmic on a machine but I am not sure if it was alpha 1 or 2 :-/ How can I check? [12:58] what is in /etc/issue ? [13:02] pvandewyngaerde: Ubuntu karmic (development branch) \n \l [13:02] that's the output of cat /etc/issue [13:03] The alpha milestones are just snapshots of the archives at a certain point in time, if you've updated since then you're running the most recent version of your release. [13:05] i just installed the alpha and I want to know if I have the alpha1 I might as well download the newest ISO and reinstall [13:06] * Twigathy notes update-manager has decided to break :( [13:06] although closing and re-opening it worked. [13:07] Twigathy: in what way? [13:07] It hung on the little 'I'm busy' cursor [13:07] Twigathy: when installing updates? [13:07] Twigathy: anything in ~/.xsession-errors? [13:07] well, I told it to check for updates, it did so, it populated the list and then did nothing more :) [13:07] er, sec [13:08] nope, nothing in here [13:08] *there [13:08] weird [13:08] hm, I just tried to reporduce, but it seems to be ok for me [13:09] could you ping me when it happens again and give me the output of ps afx ? [13:09] yup, can do [13:10] andresmh: How did you install the Alpha? [13:13] * gnomefreak thinks new update-manager is evil [13:14] evil in what way? [13:14] mvo starting automagicly [13:15] right, that is pretty controvercial [13:16] mvo: yeah but i understand the idea behind it. it should be an opt-in feature not an opt-out IMHO [13:16] there should be , in there [13:17] gnomefreak: please pass suggestion on this to the design team [13:17] mvo: where do i find them a channel, a LP page? [13:18] Pici: I downloaded the ISO and put it on a USB drive. The thing is, I don't remember if I downloaded Alpha1 or Alpha2. It was around the time Alpha2 but not sure exactly when. [13:18] sorry im working on something atm, not really thinking yet today [13:18] andresmh: you installed it already? [13:19] https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/bugs/update-notifier-autolaunch <- that was the bugreport that had a lot of discussion on it, [13:19] mvo: thanks [13:21] """Displaying first 80 comments. View all 418 comments or add a comment. """ *cough* [13:22] mvo: there is alot of comments on it [13:22] i added my $.02 [13:23] gnomefreak: yes, it's installed already [13:23] there must be something, perhaps a package version, that I can check to see if I have alpha1 or 2 [13:23] no? [13:24] andresmh: update it and you have latest version i dont remember if A2 has been released yet. [13:24] andresmh: i dont think they updated about>ubuntu yet, its normally updated late in cycle [13:26] when running the update it tells me it wants to upgrade [13:27] andresmh: than upgrade :) [13:27] i guess that means I have Alpha1? I just feel that if this means I am upgrading to Alpha2 I might as well download the ISO [13:27] although that has been dangerous in the past few weeks [13:28] my connection at the moment is quite slow so I want to plan my downloads appropiatedly [13:28] andresmh: not really you could have A2 just not fully up to date [13:28] it's 142MB, that's going to take a while [13:28] that could be just todays updates [13:29] maybe yesterdays too [13:29] it's a "partial upgrade" [13:29] why is it dangerous? what could break? [13:29] andresmh: some packages are held back than most likely [13:29] andresmh: gdm problems was the main one. some people see problems while others dont [13:29] i was just fed up with Intel graphics on Jaunty being so crappy [13:30] that i decided to move to karmic [13:30] so you upgrade to karmic? [13:30] not really best reason or even a good idea [13:30] safer to change hardware :) [13:31] * gnomefreak goes for smoke while i think on how to fix this [13:37] people are not going to like my solution on the u-m issue === clive is now known as Guest54207 [13:39] ok solution submitted now i wait for the hate mail [13:39] gnomefreak: when i updated... i'v noticed that several things have changed.... FUSA is gone! no auto login! are these changes to stay or WIP? [13:39] macvr: gdm bugs [13:40] phew!!! [13:40] contray to popular belief gdm is still broken [13:40] gnomefreak: have these been reported? [13:40] 2.27 *should* fix most breakage [13:41] k... [13:41] macvr: these are known and have been for some time. pitti posts updates on the mailing list [13:42] its either devel list or devel-discuss list dont remember [13:43] k... [14:00] anyone else finding sound alot lower lately? [14:00] i can't turn the volume up like i used to [14:01] try 'alsamixer -c 0' and see if the sound card volume whatsits are turned down [14:01] everything is set to max [14:01] except beep [14:02] but i tried that and it doesn't make a diffrence [14:02] ubuntu 9.10 on an asus eee 1000H [14:02] 2 diffrent persons, same laptop, same problem [14:03] checking if it's kernel related [14:06] 30-10 same problem [14:07] aha [14:07] i was able to turn up my volume for in the older kernel [14:08] which isn't visible in 31-2 [14:14] Right time to test out karmic on my spare laptop. [14:30] Ian_ how is the performance in your 1000h? [14:38] err [14:38] overall good [14:54] hey folks [14:57] ello BluesKaj [14:58] hi stevepearce [15:04] hi folks [15:05] hi yofel [15:05] hey yofel [15:06] * stevepearce is working on upgrading to karmic on metal :-) [15:06] backing up some stuff first [15:07] namely the contents of /var/cache/apt/archives [15:10] how do I unmark a bug as duplicate? [15:15] how to kill firefox? :| [15:15] afv: terminal: killall [-s 9] firefox [15:15] s 9 if it really won't close any more [15:16] i was doing "killall firefox-3.5 -9" [15:16] but it won't die.. lol [15:16] ^^ [15:16] "killall -s 9 firefox-3.5" won't do it either [15:16] even with sudo [15:17] Well, whats the processes's name? [15:17] WebDav don't seams to work on Karmic. cadaver runs but NetworkConnection says no webdav Folder. [15:17] firefox-3.5 ? [15:19] afv,ctrl+alt+escape , a skull will appear use it toclick on the X on FF [15:19] there's no FF window [15:19] lol [15:19] is it in the panel? [15:19] no [15:20] !lol [15:20] Please don't use "LOL" and "OMG" and so forth on a regular basis. This is IRC, not IM, and using those lines on their own is not required, and it is rather annoying to the rest of the people in the channel; thanks. [15:20] (i use awn btw, but ff is "closed") [15:23] well... i think i'll do it the windows way [15:23] How can i see the ErrorMessage from Nautilus? === JamalFanaian is now known as OrlandoPHP === OrlandoPHP is now known as JamalFanaian [15:57] Hello! how update from 9.04 to 9.10? [15:58] Ciss, jump into a terminal and type "sudo update-manager -d" [15:58] an option to upgrade to 9.10 will be shown [15:58]